WEBVTT - From the Vault: Gáe Bulg

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to stuff to bow your mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time you go into the Old Vault. This time you

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<v Speaker 1>better armor up your your butt because there is a

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<v Speaker 1>spear coming for your anus. That's right, we're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about space here. We're talking about Irish mythology. We're getting

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<v Speaker 1>into the tales of Mighty Colanko Holland. We ran into

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<v Speaker 1>some difficulties pronouncing the title the name of the hero

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, but it is a pretty fun one

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<v Speaker 1>that we originally published What To nineteen and it's we

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<v Speaker 1>figured it's a perfect one to unleash once more, right

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<v Speaker 1>before St. Patty's Day. Let's jump right in. By this time,

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<v Speaker 1>the two combatants were at the edge feet of swords.

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<v Speaker 1>Then ford It caught Koo Holland unguarded and dealt him

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<v Speaker 1>a blow with his ivory hilted blade, which he plunged

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<v Speaker 1>into co Holand's rest, and Kohland's blood had dripped into

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<v Speaker 1>his belt, and the ford was red with the blood

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<v Speaker 1>from the warrior's body. Kohlan brooke not this wounding, for

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<v Speaker 1>for thea had attacked him with a succession of deadly

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<v Speaker 1>stout blows, and he asked lug for guy bolga. Such

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<v Speaker 1>was the nature of the guy bolga. It used to

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<v Speaker 1>be set down stream and cast from between the toes.

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<v Speaker 1>It made a one wound as it entered a man's body,

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<v Speaker 1>but it had thirty barbs when one tried to remove it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was not taken from a man's body until

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<v Speaker 1>the flesh was cut away about it. And when for

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<v Speaker 1>Dea had heard mention of the guy bolga, he thrust

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<v Speaker 1>down the shield to shelter the lower part of his body.

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<v Speaker 1>Kou Holland cast the fine spear from off the palm

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<v Speaker 1>of his hand, over the rim of the shield, and

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<v Speaker 1>over the breast piece of the horn skin, so that

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<v Speaker 1>its farther half was visible. After it had pierced for

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<v Speaker 1>Dead's heart in his breath. For Dead thrust up the

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<v Speaker 1>shield to protect the upper part of his body, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was helped that came too late. The charioteer sent

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<v Speaker 1>the guy bulga downstream. Kuholland caught it between his toes

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<v Speaker 1>and made a cast of it at for Dead, and

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<v Speaker 1>the guy bulga went through the strong, thick apron of

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<v Speaker 1>smelted iron and broke in three the great stone, as

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<v Speaker 1>big as a millstone, and entered for Dead's body through

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<v Speaker 1>the anus, and filled every joint and limb of him

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<v Speaker 1>with its barbs. That service is now said for dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I have fallen by that cast. But indeed strongly do

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<v Speaker 1>you cast from your right foot? And it was not

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<v Speaker 1>fitting that I should fall by you. And as he spoke,

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<v Speaker 1>he uttered these words, oh hound of the fair feats,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not fitting that you should slay me. Yours

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<v Speaker 1>is the guilt which clung to me. On you, My

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<v Speaker 1>blood was shed Doomed men who reached the gap of

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<v Speaker 1>betrayal do not flourish. That is my voice. Alas heroes

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<v Speaker 1>have been destroyed. My ribs, like spoils, are broken. My

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<v Speaker 1>heart is gore. Would that I had not fought, I

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<v Speaker 1>have fallen, Oh hound. Welcome to Stuff to Blow your

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<v Speaker 1>mind from How Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joe McCormick. And that opening reading was from

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<v Speaker 1>the cecil a Rahai translation of and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do my best the tying bow colonge. Um, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be obviously talking about Irish mythology today, and unfortunately that

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<v Speaker 1>means we're gonna be trying to pronounce a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>words and probably sometimes failing. Please bear with us, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's done out of love and we do our best.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And it feels good to come back around

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<v Speaker 1>some Irish mythology here because Irish Irish smith is rich

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<v Speaker 1>with fantastic stick ideas, uh, magic, magical beings, monsters, and

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, a very interesting magical weapon that is

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<v Speaker 1>the unreally unlike anything else I've read about. Robert, you

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<v Speaker 1>have been on such a kick of magical weapons these days.

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<v Speaker 1>You you're you're big into Cupid's leaden arrows. We did

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<v Speaker 1>the triedent. No, I'm down with it. This is funny.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have the older episode about the about various

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<v Speaker 1>spinning weapons of death that I did with the Christian

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<v Speaker 1>But even after all those, the episode today about Guy

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<v Speaker 1>Bolga the spear of the hero Ku Holland I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is this takes the cake. This is the weirdest

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<v Speaker 1>best magical weapon with with biological connections that we have

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<v Speaker 1>discussed yet I am pretty certain of it. Yeah. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be maybe a fun exercise for listeners to

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<v Speaker 1>try and predict where we're gonna land biologically. Okay, at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of this episode, to to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>science of the of the guy Bolga. Now, Robert, I

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<v Speaker 1>admit befo four we did this episode. I had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea who ko Holland was, and I probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced it like ku kuk Lane or whatever this is.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a hero of Irish mythology who I

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<v Speaker 1>had never even heard of before. Yeah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'd run across the mention of him in passing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think i'd ever actually read any of

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<v Speaker 1>the tales about him, or even the poems about him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a there's a Yates poem co Holand Comforted.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's not an obscure character in Irish myth by

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<v Speaker 1>any stretch of the imagination. But co Holand is so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>How could I have not heard about this? I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the people who study Irish mythology have got to

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch with Hollywood or something, get some movies

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<v Speaker 1>going so people know these myths better. Well, yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a figure. So co Holand is uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mythological hero that has been described as the Irish Achilles.

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<v Speaker 1>Or even the Irish Incredible Hulk custom maybe a little closer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you can, but probably already get a sense

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<v Speaker 1>here we're talking about yet another mythological killing machine, an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient soldier, you know, streaked in gore and honor. So

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<v Speaker 1>in many respects, he is what you expect from from

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<v Speaker 1>a mythological hero. You know, he's mighty warrior, he has

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of nobility, and he's sort of pushed into

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<v Speaker 1>tragic circumstances. Yeah, he's tough, he's brave, he's brutal, he

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<v Speaker 1>meets a tragic end right now, He's the He's a

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<v Speaker 1>central character in the Ulster cycle, one of the four

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<v Speaker 1>great cycles of medieval Irish myth and the This cycle

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<v Speaker 1>takes place in the first century Sea and was written

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<v Speaker 1>in Old and Middle Irish um. He also appears to

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<v Speaker 1>factor into a certain Scottish traditions as well, so but

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<v Speaker 1>largely Irish. So well, let's do the life story of

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<v Speaker 1>ko Holand. So he wasn't born ko Holand he was

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<v Speaker 1>born Satanta satantas his given name co Holand is more

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<v Speaker 1>like like kylel becomes Superman. Right, So he's the nephew

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<v Speaker 1>of the Irish king King Connor, and is the offspring

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<v Speaker 1>of the union between Connor's sister and the god lug

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<v Speaker 1>we we Lug was mentioned in that dramatic reading earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Lug is a member of the Chuatha di don and

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of spiritual god elf beings of of Irish

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<v Speaker 1>myth so like, So as with the likes to say

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<v Speaker 1>Achilles and Hercules, we have a hybrid on our hands here,

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<v Speaker 1>part human, part divine. And and he certainly looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a half divine creature. He has uh, he

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<v Speaker 1>has some some unnatural aspects to his appearance to definitely

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<v Speaker 1>line up with what you might expect from a demigod,

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<v Speaker 1>what like maybe a few too many of certain body parts. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>for starters, he's just just unnaturally beautiful. He's a paragon

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<v Speaker 1>of masculine beauty and strength. And then he has seven

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<v Speaker 1>fingers on each hand, seven toes on each foot, and

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<v Speaker 1>then seven pupils in each eye, seven pupils in each other. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a aragon of beauty now, even as

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<v Speaker 1>a child, his exploits made him famous. And then King

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<v Speaker 1>Connor himself ends up bestowing the new name on him

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<v Speaker 1>Holland after he kills the great guard dog, the Hound

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<v Speaker 1>of Holland, Holland being a smith here with his bare

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<v Speaker 1>hands at a banquet, and so he has to take

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<v Speaker 1>on this new name as a penance. Yeah, Like after

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<v Speaker 1>he kills the smith's hound, he I think, offers to

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<v Speaker 1>serve himself as the guard of the smith's forge. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so now he is co Holand. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of that dramatic reading, he's referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as the Hound. So I'm thinking, because he's this paragon

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<v Speaker 1>of masculine beauty and strength, there's got to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a trend setting kind of thing that people just can't match. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the same way that after you have a

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<v Speaker 1>famous movie star he starts wearing a certain kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hairstyle or something. Now that's what's cool, and everybody wants

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. In this case, in first century Ireland,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody would want to have seven pupils in each eye.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what everybody's going to the local witches about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like, you know, make me live forever, give

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<v Speaker 1>me huge strength, has give me seven pupils in each eye. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, as always when we're talking about mythology, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth noting that, Um, you know, they're varying sources,

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<v Speaker 1>they're varying tellings, and some of the details are going

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<v Speaker 1>to change with the telling at the time. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>definitely very radically different accounts of Kohlan now. But so

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<v Speaker 1>we've arrived at this version of cohol and already he

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<v Speaker 1>is a beautiful, powerful warrior with some unnatural characteristics. But then,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he also has an additional superpower. But wait,

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<v Speaker 1>there's more. Yes, so he can essentially hulk out. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing he can. He can enter into a

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<v Speaker 1>berserker state during battle. But it's not just like a

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<v Speaker 1>mental state like it actually said, to twist and deform

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<v Speaker 1>his body as he becomes this just unreasonable killing machine.

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<v Speaker 1>The reastrade does this process. Yeah, and apparently apparently one

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Kinsella translated this state as the quote war spasm.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like something straight out of the X Men. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds it sounds rather chaotic. I definitely don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be around a warrior when they were entering the

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<v Speaker 1>warp spasm. It sounds rather dangerous. All right, Well, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got another quote from the Cecil Rahalli translation of the

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<v Speaker 1>Timebo clung from the book of Leinster, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>about what happens in the warp spasm quote then occurred

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<v Speaker 1>to Holland's first distortion. He swelled and grew big as

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<v Speaker 1>a bladder does when inflated, and became a fearsome, terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>mini colored, strange arch and the valiant hero towered above

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<v Speaker 1>for dead, as big as a famore or a pirate.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the famar you're you were saying, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>that that's like a giant of Irish mythology. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a giant ogre type good type being from Irish myth

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<v Speaker 1>So like the Irish version of Yettenheim might be full

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<v Speaker 1>of these. Yeah, yeah, So so clearly Coo Holand is

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<v Speaker 1>nobody to mess with, Like this is a this is

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<v Speaker 1>a terrifying force on the battlefield. Why why does the

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<v Speaker 1>author of this work they'll believe that pirates are gigantic? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm less sure on that one. So

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<v Speaker 1>co Holand fights bravely throughout his his military career. Um

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<v Speaker 1>he fights off the forces of Queen maybe at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of seventeen, uh believe virtually, like single handedly, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's that powerful warrior. But he's eventually tricked by warriors

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<v Speaker 1>in the employee of Mayve and slain at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty seven. So not a long life. But then again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're an Irish warrior um during the first century. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a long life expectancy there now. And they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to employ some trickery in order to

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<v Speaker 1>overcome his strength, which I think is a common feature

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<v Speaker 1>in like mythic hero cycles. You see that with like

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<v Speaker 1>Samson in uh in Jewish legend, and you sort of

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<v Speaker 1>see a version of it with Achilles, with like them

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<v Speaker 1>finding out his one weakness. And indeed there's basically like

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<v Speaker 1>a three part plan that has to be employed here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that the first one being key. They trick

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<v Speaker 1>him into eating dog meat, which breaks a taboo and

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<v Speaker 1>weakens his spirit. Yeah. I read somewhere that this came

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<v Speaker 1>about by pitting two taboos against each other. Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a taboo against refusing hospitality on one hand, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>also a taboo against eating dog meat. So what if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody shows you hospitality by offering you dog meat. You're caught. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're caught. You're there. That's a you know, as Scilla

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<v Speaker 1>and charyptus. Uh. So he had to pick, and he

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<v Speaker 1>picked not refusing hospitality, but he ate the dog meat,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that screwed him up. Now, the next thing

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<v Speaker 1>that helps if you're trying to take out a half

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<v Speaker 1>divine warrior is to have a divine weapon of your own,

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<v Speaker 1>a magical weapon of your own that will will help

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<v Speaker 1>you slay them. And so that's what the trio do here.

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<v Speaker 1>They hit him with a magical disemboweing spear that is

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<v Speaker 1>enchanted to kill kings. The apparently had three of these,

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<v Speaker 1>and they used too on his on his accomplices, including

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<v Speaker 1>the charioteer. It was like the King of Chariots, which

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<v Speaker 1>seems kind of like a a loop hole in the

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<v Speaker 1>whole king thing, Like you don't have to actually be

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<v Speaker 1>a king, you're just kind of quote unquote a king

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<v Speaker 1>of something. But ca Holan has like a really bad

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<v Speaker 1>dude moment here, Like he gets hit with the spear,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's like, I'm not going down that easy. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not gonna die, uh like that, He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>die standing up fighting. So he like tucks his innerage

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<v Speaker 1>back into his body um and then like stumbles over

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<v Speaker 1>to a pillar lashes himself to the pillar so that

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<v Speaker 1>he can fight and die standing up, like they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to come and take him on his feet. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's tied there, dying, and they got to be afraid,

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<v Speaker 1>right because co Holan is this this killing machine. Even

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<v Speaker 1>dying cut open with a with a kill spear tied

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<v Speaker 1>to a rock or a pillar, he's gonna be scary.

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<v Speaker 1>So they don't want to get too close. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think one source says that they had to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>a bird landed on him in order to know that

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<v Speaker 1>he had actually died. Yeah, and then they move in.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do? You cut off his head to

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<v Speaker 1>be sure. But when they cut off his head, there's

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<v Speaker 1>is brilliant light that like cuts off one of the

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<v Speaker 1>attackers a sword hands, I believe. And then it's not

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<v Speaker 1>until they cut off k holand sword arm that the

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<v Speaker 1>light dies away and that he's definitely dead. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't have there's one thing to cut away

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<v Speaker 1>the seat of reason from this mighty war. You also

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<v Speaker 1>have to cut away like the physical sword hand of

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<v Speaker 1>the warrior. There's a wonderful, like full telling of this

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<v Speaker 1>final battle of one in particular that I light came

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<v Speaker 1>from Lady Augusta Gregory um Uk Helen of Murrath Fimney

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen o two. Uh, that's all online. I recommend

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<v Speaker 1>checking that out if you want the full blow by

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<v Speaker 1>blow death of ko Holand. So, how do we not

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<v Speaker 1>have a full kooh Holan movie? Yeah, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>we should. I mean, how many Hercules movies do we have? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Way too many? We could easily peel off some of

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<v Speaker 1>that money into the cah Holand enterprise here. Now, we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking before the episode about who to cast as

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<v Speaker 1>Coo holand we could not come up with good idea

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<v Speaker 1>because all of the best Irish actors we were thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of to cast as this Irish hero are now old.

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<v Speaker 1>But like Pierce Brosnan, Yeah, Pierce is right there in

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<v Speaker 1>his name. Yeah, but but sadly, like we said, he

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<v Speaker 1>died at twenty seven. You need you need a young, like,

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<v Speaker 1>powerful and imposing irishman who is also a really good actor. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of my favorite Irish actors. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Uh, there's Brendan Gleeson. I guess he's older. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there's uh, I love Liam Cunningham, the guy who plays

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Davos on Game of Thrones. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who the young guy is. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Everybody can think of as too old, like

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<v Speaker 1>even you know, there's a thinking, well, maybe a professional wrestler.

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<v Speaker 1>I get a big muscle bound dude to play ko

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<v Speaker 1>Holand okay, there's there's a guy named Samus who's like

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<v Speaker 1>a big, pale Irish wrestler, but he's too old for

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<v Speaker 1>the part. Maybe he could play the hulked out version

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<v Speaker 1>of ko holand you could do kind of u you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Incredible Hulk TV show. We had to loof

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<v Speaker 1>Rigno playing the the actual Hulk. Oh no, wait, this

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<v Speaker 1>has given me a great idea. Actually, like the main

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<v Speaker 1>normal ko holand before he hulks out, he should be

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<v Speaker 1>like super wafy, like a very very wafy, boyish, like

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<v Speaker 1>teen heartthrob kind of Irish actor. And then when he

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<v Speaker 1>hulks out, he gets replaced by the bodybuilder. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>like this so well. But maybe our Irish listeners especially,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have some ideas about who who could be cast

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<v Speaker 1>in such a film. Are Irish listeners also, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get in touch with us to let

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<v Speaker 1>us know how badly we're saying all these words. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we're gonna take a break, but when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we're gonna get into the real meat

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode. We're going to talk about the the

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<v Speaker 1>unnatural death weapon of Ko holand we're gonna talk about, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy Bolga. Thank alright, we're back. So every hero

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<v Speaker 1>needs a mighty weapon, and co Holand certainly had one

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<v Speaker 1>in the guy Bolga like a weapon so mighty that

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<v Speaker 1>it is the It is the death weapon of last resort.

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<v Speaker 1>He only even turns to it if he's basically fighting

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<v Speaker 1>an opponent that is on his own level. Now, it

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<v Speaker 1>is not known exactly how to translate the term guy bulga. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's translated many different ways. I think we know that

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<v Speaker 1>guy basically means spear, right, But the bulga, there's questions

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<v Speaker 1>about what that means. Yeah, that's correct. Guy certainly means

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<v Speaker 1>spear or dart, But the bolga part is open to

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<v Speaker 1>some discussion. There's a particular text that we turn to

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<v Speaker 1>by by a writer by the name of Edward Pettit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to give you the full name of

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<v Speaker 1>that article because it will give away what we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get to in the later later portions of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We will say the name of the article. We will

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<v Speaker 1>say it and say it later. But he points out

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<v Speaker 1>that that the guy bolga has been translated as just

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<v Speaker 1>here's a sampling, the belly dart, the dart of belly,

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<v Speaker 1>barbed spear, spear of bella body spear, bagged spear, spear

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<v Speaker 1>of swelling uh, the spear of the sack, forked spear,

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<v Speaker 1>gapped spear, solar spear, the spear of mortal pain, the

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<v Speaker 1>evil spear, spear of the lightning god, spear of the thunderbolt.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also adds that the bolga part has also

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<v Speaker 1>been interpreted to perhaps refer to an inflated bladder that one.

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially this would be a fishing spear, like one

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<v Speaker 1>would have tethered to something that floats. Oh, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And then likewise it's also been potentially connected to the

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<v Speaker 1>fair bolg Uh. These, according to to Carol Rose, the

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<v Speaker 1>folklores that often refer to when we're talking about mythological

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<v Speaker 1>creatures and monsters. She says that these were the mythic

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<v Speaker 1>first inhabitants of Ireland, defeated by the Tuatha deadon and

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<v Speaker 1>then driven into mountain caves and forests where they became

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<v Speaker 1>loathsome monsters. So possible connection there as well. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever bul a means, they're bellows bulge whatever. We know

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<v Speaker 1>that there's some kind of special magic spear. So how

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<v Speaker 1>does it work? What does it do? Well? One of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things is that co Holand alone knows

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<v Speaker 1>how to really wield the weapon, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he he is taught depends it depends on which version

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<v Speaker 1>you're reading. He's either taught by a god or by

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a skilled master, and he alone has mastery

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<v Speaker 1>of the guy Bolga. But it is again, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a spear, a weapon that you only turn to as

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<v Speaker 1>like basically just a last resort. And also if you're

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<v Speaker 1>just really willing to absolutely murder your opponent. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just suddenly reminded of one of those newspaper articles

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<v Speaker 1>from the nineteen twenties that we quoted in our death

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<v Speaker 1>Ray episode of Invention, where the guy was like, the

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<v Speaker 1>death ray is mine and only I can have it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this was his death ray in a sense. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>that fantastic reading at the top of the episode, that

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<v Speaker 1>story of from the cattle raid of Kolong. Uh. That

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<v Speaker 1>really gives you some of the key attributes of the

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<v Speaker 1>weapon here. So it is brought to coholand via a stream.

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<v Speaker 1>His charity here puts it in a stream and it

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<v Speaker 1>like floats down to him, and then it is cast

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<v Speaker 1>by the foot, so he picks it up with his

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<v Speaker 1>seven toed foot and casts it. Thus Lee aims it

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<v Speaker 1>with his seven people die right and uh. And then

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<v Speaker 1>also in that telling we see that it pierces his

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<v Speaker 1>opponent through the anus, which is not a detail that

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<v Speaker 1>is present in every telling of this story, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is there. Uh. And part of it has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that his like, you know, these are

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<v Speaker 1>two you know, former friends, you know that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're still friends, but they're they're battling each other, and

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<v Speaker 1>and they each have sort of magical abilities, you know. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So coholand alone has the mastery of this u fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>barbed weapon. And then his opponent has his horn skin

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<v Speaker 1>that protects most to his body but not the the anus.

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<v Speaker 1>So you might say that Ford it has an achilles heel,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is his anus. It's his achilles anus. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe instead of saying achilles heel, from now on, we

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<v Speaker 1>should substitute for dead Zanies. It's going to be challenging

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<v Speaker 1>to drop that into just casual conversation. I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna dart Well dry Robert for the rest of my

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<v Speaker 1>life for dead zanis. Alright. So that that that Edward

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<v Speaker 1>pettit Um article that we mentioned earlier, and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>this is Edward G. Pettit from the Sale University, who

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<v Speaker 1>is apparently something of an Edgar Allan Poe expert and

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<v Speaker 1>a monster expert I'm reading, uh teaches classes on vampire

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<v Speaker 1>literature and so forth. But he drives home that there

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<v Speaker 1>are several key attributes that are that are generally consistent

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<v Speaker 1>in the various tellings here. So first of all, only

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<v Speaker 1>Helen can wield the guy bowl Gay here he alone

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<v Speaker 1>was taught it's it's martial art, and the teacher varies

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<v Speaker 1>from immortal to a see god. Okay. Another thing he

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<v Speaker 1>mentions is that it's sort of a single use weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, you get one shot. Now that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he ever misses with the thing, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least I have not read the story where he

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<v Speaker 1>busted out and misses like accidentally hits I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>nearby bird in the an s instead right. Um. Also,

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.760
<v Speaker 1>it's sometimes sent to him by water, such as in

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<v Speaker 1>our opening story there it's it is like it traveled

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<v Speaker 1>down a stream to him, but it doesn't just appear

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<v Speaker 1>in the context of water. He also it's like thrown

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<v Speaker 1>from below the water. So it's also it is a

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<v Speaker 1>fearsome weapon, so for deed or special armor in an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to protect himself from it. And you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly you know when he sees that that this weapon

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<v Speaker 1>is is coming out, uh, you know, he takes notice

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<v Speaker 1>like it's gotten dire. It's not just a normal spirit

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<v Speaker 1>is something that is known to be very dangerous just mechanically.

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<v Speaker 1>And its characteristics as a weapon. Pettit says that it

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<v Speaker 1>is quote accurate, sharp, strong, and highly penetrative. Yes, to

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<v Speaker 1>say the least. It's also inescapable and deadly, and in

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<v Speaker 1>later tellings it's also said to be venomous and cursed

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<v Speaker 1>with an incurable poison that fills the body. Now, one

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting feature about it is the idea that it

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<v Speaker 1>is many barbed, but at first it's cast as like

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<v Speaker 1>a single spear that is straight and thin, but that

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<v Speaker 1>once it pierces the body. It is said to spread

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<v Speaker 1>out its barbs so that it has to be cut

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<v Speaker 1>out in order to be removed. You can't just pull

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<v Speaker 1>it out, uh. And this would be kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the barbs on some existing spheres, like fishing spears sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>would have barbs like this in order to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the thing stays on there once you stab it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not just that it's barbed, it's that there's

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that it's sort of spreads out within the body.

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<v Speaker 1>So like once you pierce somebody, the point and the

0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>barbs it is said spread to all of the veins

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<v Speaker 1>or spread to all of the joints and limbs. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not quite sure exactly what it means there, except I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sort of uh considering when you remember in our episode

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<v Speaker 1>about missiletoe, the plant, you know, the plant parasite, it's

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>a parasite on other plants where we talked about the

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>idea of the house story. Um, it's this base sort

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of root structure for missiletoe that grows on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of a tree or another plant and then pierces its

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<v Speaker 1>stem and sometimes grows down and spreads out little filaments

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 1>and roots structures within the host plant. Uh. And we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how so this is a parasite. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just like a vampire sticking its fangs into you, but

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<v Speaker 1>as if it sticks its fangs in, and sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>fangs like continue to grow out inside the body and

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<v Speaker 1>fill all your blood vessels. Yeah, I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great reference because I definitely get that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like growing barbed root like, like just rapid growth of

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<v Speaker 1>barbs through the entire body, like a real true body

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<v Speaker 1>horror weapon to employ here. But another way to think

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>about that is that's just sort of like it could

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<v Speaker 1>be a mechanical metaphor for a chemical property, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that you stab something and it's got venom or poison

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.639
<v Speaker 1>or something on it, and even though you only stab

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<v Speaker 1>the body in one place, the poison spreads out to

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<v Speaker 1>all the blood, right. And yeah, so there's you can

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<v Speaker 1>make various interpretations of it, for sure. Um. It's often

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<v Speaker 1>described as being white or bright color. Uh. And of

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 1>course it's often drenched in blood in these tellings because

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem to miss and when it hits, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be gory. Now, Pettit says. It's also often associated

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<v Speaker 1>with demons, or fire or hell. It's sort of an

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<v Speaker 1>infernal weapon, yeah, and even described as being used against

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<v Speaker 1>actual demons in hell and later traditions apparently. And along

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>those lines, it's also described as is sometimes is behaving

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways like a bellows. So again, anytime we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about say it, say a magical weapon in mythology,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not so much talking about a single thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're talking about a tradition of a thing, various

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<v Speaker 1>tellings of a thing, and different influences who are going

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>to become involved in sort of recolor. Uh, And you

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly how it is described either way to shake it.

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>It is a it is a treacherous weapon, okay, even

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<v Speaker 1>for a mighty hero to employ. But then there's one

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<v Speaker 1>final detail, a key detail here, and it has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with where this weapon comes from. Because every great

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>weapon that a mythical hero uses it has to have

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<v Speaker 1>an origin story, right of course. And one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite origin stories for for like a weapon or a

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>piece of arm or something like that, is something that's

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<v Speaker 1>taken from the body of a monster, like like Hercules.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he makes his cloak out of the Nemean lions,

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<v Speaker 1>hard to pure skin, and in this case, we we

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>have a weapon that is made from a sea monster,

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>from the remains from the bones of a sea monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's described in some translations is being made from

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<v Speaker 1>the skin of a monster from Hell, but hell, pet

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<v Speaker 1>It says, could have been, you know, the depths of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. And this is supported, he says, by later

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:02.440
<v Speaker 1>tales in which our hero Cooh Holand defeats barb tailed

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.359
<v Speaker 1>beasts from the ocean. Now, I think Pettit also talks

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>about versions where it is said to come from the

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<v Speaker 1>skull of something called like a dog head, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>could be interpreted as some version of like shark or

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>dog fish type creature, but also as in some way

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<v Speaker 1>seen as a sea monster. Right, So at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode, I'm going to tell you what the

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<v Speaker 1>full title of this paper is. Cool Holland's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>Bolga from Harpoon to sting Ray Speer. That's the that's

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<v Speaker 1>the title. So we're gonna take a quick breaking when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we're going to get into Pettit's Stingray hypothesis. Alright,

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>we're back, all right, So here's the part of the

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>podcast where we play a game we often like to play,

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>which is taking a story or an object from myth

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and wondering like, could there be a natural world explanation

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>for for what inspired this myth or this image or

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>this creature from mythology? And of course this this type

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 1>of game, we always like to point out, does have

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>a weakness. It has a for Diazanus, you might say,

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>which is that we we don't want to overlook the

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>fact that there's lots of creative imagination involved in mythology,

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 1>and you don't always have to explain the contents of

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.919
<v Speaker 1>a myth by pointing to something that really happened in

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>history or really exists in nature and saying that inspired it.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't always know that that's what happened. Maybe sometimes

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>that happened, Maybe sometimes there's people just using their imagination.

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>But in any case, this can be a really interesting

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>game to play because there is no doubt that, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in many cases, things in myths were inspired by

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff people saw in nature. And Edward Pettitt's hypothesis here

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>is that this mighty weapon was the spine of a

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>sting ray or at least at some point in its legacy.

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh it is interpreted as such. Stories of stingray. Barbed

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>weapons are employed then to describe this weapon at the

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>cohol and wheels. Yeah, and this this inspiration could go

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>multiple ways if in fact there is such an element

0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>of this kind of inspiration in the stories. It could

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.719
<v Speaker 1>be that people saw a stingray spine in nature and

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<v Speaker 1>this led to the original idea of the guy Bolga sphere.

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<v Speaker 1>But it could also be that ideas about stingray spines

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>colored later tellings of an existing mythical spear that was

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>already in some stories. But let's see if there's anything

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to this idea and start by looking at what's the stingray. So,

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a stingray is a type of ray and raise or

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<v Speaker 1>cartilaginous fish cousins of sharks. This this family of sharks

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and rays, they're called the Elasma bronx. Their fish with

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. It's the same

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>bendy stuff you've gotten your ears. And the super order

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>of rays is batoy dea uh. Stingrays in particular are

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<v Speaker 1>found in the suborder of rays known as my leo battaforms. Now,

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>like other raised stingrays kind of have a flattened body

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>and a large somewhat rounded pectoral set of fins that

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<v Speaker 1>are fully fused with the head in the body, and

0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>this makes them sort of rounded off like a pancake fish. Often,

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>sting rays tend to swim by sort of undulating their

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>their their wide pectoral fins sort of just like waves

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>rather than flapping like wings, and stingrays in particular tend

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<v Speaker 1>to have flat bodies that blend in with the seafloor.

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Often they're camouflaged, uh, and that's because they spend most

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of their time on the seafloor hiding out, often partially

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>buried in sediment. You'll sometimes see stingrays like down down

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>in the sediment with like sand piled on top of

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>their little wings. And some researchers believe that their eyes

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>are poorly placed for hunting, given that their body is

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of flat disc shape and their mouths are

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>down on the bottom and their eyes are up on

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the top. But that's okay because they don't need to

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>rely entirely on their eyes for hunting. Like sharks, stingrays

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>have organs that are known as the ampullae of Lorenzini,

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and these are small pores in the skin that can

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<v Speaker 1>detect electric fields in the water, And of course all

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>animals generate electric fields in the water, especially when the

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>contract their muscles. So if there is a prey animal

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>out there swimming, moving around, or even just with a

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>beating heart, you can probably sense some kind of electric

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>voltage difference that it is causing in the water with

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>your ambulae of Lorenzini. But they've also got a magnificent spine,

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and that's what we're going to be focusing on today.

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<v Speaker 1>The stingray has a spine with venom, sometimes deadly venom

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>that can in some cases kill humans. Now, to be clear,

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>sting rays very rarely attack or kill humans. They are

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>not considered aggressive at all. That generally, if there's an

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>incident between humans and stingrays, it's defensive because the human

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like stepped on the stingray or loomed over it, right,

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And the latter seems to have probably been the case.

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<v Speaker 1>With the most famous case in recent history of a

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<v Speaker 1>sting ray related death out of the crocodile hunter Steve Irwin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that was sad. Yeah, yeah, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>tragic case two thousand six, uh, and he died after

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>he sustain a numerous stabs from an eight foot wide stingray.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in shallow water. Um, he was. He was

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<v Speaker 1>in close proximity to the creature they were filming. And

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<v Speaker 1>the theory I read is that the ray might have

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<v Speaker 1>thought Irwin's shadow was a tiger shark and the shallow

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.479
<v Speaker 1>water there, and then it reportedly stabbed him hundreds of

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>times and one of the stabs pierced his heart and

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<v Speaker 1>then he bled to death. Yeah, that's it's a sad story.

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>But it's not the only time that the people have

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<v Speaker 1>actually been killed by stingray spines there that they can, um,

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>they cause I mean severe just direct trauma, like can

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>pierce the skin and cause a lot of bleeding. But

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>they also in many cases do have very powerful venom.

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>So but I think it is worth noting like, given

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<v Speaker 1>especially that this case occurred in shallow water, that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not unbelievable that medieval or even older people would as

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<v Speaker 1>certainly people that that made their their livelihoods at the

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<v Speaker 1>seaside would have encountered and even encounter entered fatally uh

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>sting rays at some point or another. No, it's not

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>unlikely at all, And in fact, we know for a

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>fact that the ancient people that ancient people. You know,

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>long before the medieval Irish myths. Ancient people's knew about stingrays,

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and they knew about the venom on their spines, and

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>they knew some things about how these spined uh spears worked.

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>In fact, stingray spine tipped spears already exist in ancient

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>hero myths. Do you know this? I was not aware

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<v Speaker 1>of this. So you know the story the Greek myth

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<v Speaker 1>of Odysseus Uh. This is told in in the Odyssey.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, Odysseus and the witch Searcy had a son

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<v Speaker 1>named Teleganus Uh. And remember, of course, the story of

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>how Odysseus and Cercy got together is that while Odysseus

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>is on his way home, he ends up at the

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<v Speaker 1>manner of Searcy, and Cearcy is this witch sorceress figure

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>who turns all of Odysseus's men into swine, but Odysseus

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>saves them with the help of the gods, and then

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>he ends up essentially being Sarcey's living boyfriend for a while. Um,

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, while while his wife Penelope is home being

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>very dutiful and waiting on him, he's like shacking up

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>with Searcy. So as usual, Odysseus is kind of a jerk.

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 1>But uh so he's doing that. And while he's there,

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 1>he apparently he has a son with Searcy, and this

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>son's name is Teleganus. But of course, eventually Odysseus has

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>to get home to his home of Ithaca, his wife Penelope,

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and his son Telemachus. And so here is a passage

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>from Fraser's translation English translation of a passage from Apollodorus quote.

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.399
<v Speaker 1>When Teleganus learned from Searcy that he was a son

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.839
<v Speaker 1>of Ulysses, who is also that's another name for Odysseus,

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>he sailed in search of him, and having come to

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<v Speaker 1>the island of Ithaca, he drove away some of the cattle,

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and when Ulysses defended them, Teleganus wounded him with the

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>spear he had in his hands, which was barbed with

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the spine of a stingray, and Ulysses died of the wound.

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>A Pettant in his article also quotes a second century

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.919
<v Speaker 1>Greek text on fishing by an author named Oppien, which

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>tells another version of this story. And I'll read this

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>quote as well. While the stingray lives a terrible and

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>fiery weapon attends it such i ween as a man

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>trembles to hear of. And it lives when the stingray

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>itself has perished, and preserves its unwearied strength unchanged. And

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>not only on the living creatures which it strikes does

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>it belch mysterious bain, but it hurts even tree and rock,

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 1>and wherever it comes nigh. That sting it was, which

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>his mother Circe, skilled in many drugs, gave of old

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 1>to let to telegan Us for his long hilted spear,

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that he might array his foes death from the sea.

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>And he beached his ship on the island that pastured goats,

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>And he knew not that he was harrying the flocks

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of his own father, and on his aged sire, who

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>came to the rescue, even on him whom he was seeking,

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>he brought an evil fate. There, the cunning Odysseus, who

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>had passed through countless woes of the sea in his

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>laborious adventures, the grievous stingray slew with one blow. So

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of combining, uh weirdly enough, like the like

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the Odysseus tradition and sort of the Oedipus tradition, right,

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.879
<v Speaker 1>like accidentally coming across and killing your own father. Well, um,

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting too to bring it back to Kohland. But

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>believe they're in the part of the story there is

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the Kohland ends up accidentally killing his own son with

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the guy Bolga at one point, like he does not

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>know that it's his son and ends up engaging in

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>combat with him. Well, yeah, Pettit seems to notice some

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>pretty strong similarities between these myths, and so he's I

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>think this is one reason he has for wondering if

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>the idea of the stingray is actually incorporated into the

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>guy Bulga legend. Uh hell. Pettit also mentions that some

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 1>sources claim Cercy had the stingray tipped spear made by

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the Greek forge god have faced us out of a

0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>spine stolen from a stingray by the sea god forced this,

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And of course we know that the guy Bolga was made,

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>at least in some tellings, from the body of some

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of sea monster or sea creature, right, and in

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>some tellings the art of the guy Boga is instructed

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>to Kohland by a god of the sea. But just

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.240
<v Speaker 1>as further evidence of what the ancients knew or thought

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 1>they knew about stingray spines. Look, why not have a

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>look at our old friend Plenty of the elder as well.

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a pet Pettit points to this passage quote. But

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 1>there is nothing in the world more execrable than the

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>sting projecting above the tail of the stingray, which are

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>people called the pastanaka. It is five inches long and

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.839
<v Speaker 1>kills trees when driven into the root. That's sort of

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>like what Opien said right there. It kills not just animals,

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>but like trees and stones. I don't know how you

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>kill a stone, um, But a Plenty continues and penetrates

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>armor like a missile, with the force of steel and

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>with deadly poison. So Pettits sees really strong parallels between

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>the myths of Kohland and telegan Us, and sees some

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>of these parallels between what was understood by the ancients

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>about the stingray spine and the myth of the guy Bolga.

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>The guy bolga is said to come from the water.

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>It gets thrown from under the water. It's associated with

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 1>shallow water. Sometimes it's said to be made from the

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>body or skull of some type of sea monster. And

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of course it is true that sting rays can be

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>found in the coastal waters of Ireland and they can

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 1>grow to quite a monstrous size and like the underside

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of them, Pettit points out, can resemble a grinning or

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.439
<v Speaker 1>grimacing face. That's true that certainly if you've ever been

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to an aquarium, you know they if they come up

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to the glass. Uh, you see what looks like a

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 1>face there, but the eyes are on the other side, obviously,

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and crucially the one of the issues here is that

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 1>a stingray spine is not like the fang of a

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>snake or something, which, once removed, is just like a

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>piece of tooth, you know, there's nothing to it. Uh.

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>The ancients understood that a stingray spine could remain deadly

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.399
<v Speaker 1>for some time after the ray was dead, or after

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>it's removed from the ray, so maybe maybe some like

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours afterwards, So detaching it from the ray

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:11.720
<v Speaker 1>and attaching it to a weapon wouldn't immediately render it harmless.

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>It could still have, of course the normal like piercing potential,

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 1>but the venom as well. Uh. Now this is interesting

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>because that that epic battle that Koholand has with third.

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>It's supposedly rages for three days before they finally reached

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the point where ko Holand calls for the guy bolga Um.

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>So he couldn't just based on this sort of forty

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 1>eight hour rule is like a rough guideline for utilizing

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 1>a magical sting ray weapon in battle, Like, he wouldn't

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 1>be able to bring that to the field with him.

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Thus he has to call on his charioteer to send

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>it down the water to him, and then he can, uh,

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>he can fetch it with his fabulous seven towed foot

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>and fling it up the anus of his opponent. Yeah, so,

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I I don't know if Pettit's right about this connection.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean he he also he adduces a lot of

0:39:58.080 --> 0:39:59.879
<v Speaker 1>evidence that we didn't even have time to get into

0:39:59.880 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>a so, stuff about like the minut chef, the translation

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of the word bolga and how that could point to

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 1>stingrays and stuff like that. But I'll be sure to

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>link to the entire article on the Landing page for

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>this episode of Stuff to Blow your Mind dot com.

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>So anybody who wants to really dive into the evidence

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 1>there and risk getting stung, you'll be able to do so. Yeah,

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know if he's correct about this, but

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a really interesting case and another wonderful example of

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 1>bio mythology. Yeah. I love the way that myth and

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>legend traditions present us with these little mysteries, like that

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>they can be these little puzzle boxes because of the

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>odd characteristics of elements within them, you know, like the

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.839
<v Speaker 1>idea of the spear being thrown through the seven toed

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>foot from under the water into the anus and you

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>just wonder like, Okay, is this just weird just because

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.280
<v Speaker 1>it's weird, or does all this weird disappoint to something?

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Is there something I'm missing? Yeah? Or to what extent

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>are we dealing with errors and translation? Uh? You know

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>things that should be a notable um you know, metaphor symbol,

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 1>but out of context just sounds like something just really

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 1>whack adoodle looking. Uh. These are always questions one has

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>to ask. But that being said, I feel like you

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 1>can always just embrace just the raw alien nature of

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the myth you're presented with two and just to enjoy

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>it on that level as well. Yeah. Nothing nothing more

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 1>fun than a really impractical weapon. Yes. Uh, speaking of

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 1>which I have to say, as a fan, a longtime

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 1>fan of the Mortal Kombat games, you know they put

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>on somebody have a Guy Balla in there. No, but

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 1>they should, like one of the things that you have

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>in these games, especially today, increasingly overly complicated fatalities where

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, one fighter finishes off the other one by

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.720
<v Speaker 1>doing something just predict you know, like not only slicing

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 1>off their head, but then slicing the head in half,

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. But really, when you look at

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 1>the story of the Guy Bolga, they've got nothing, you know,

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>like the Irish mythology has has has all the Mortal

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Kombat you need. I'd like to see Raid in versus Kohlan. Yeah,

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>they could put him in there, make him, make him

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a downloadable character. Wait, they have started crossing genres, haven't they.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I think I said, I don't play the Mortal Kombat

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>games anymore, but I feel like I saw that they're

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 1>They've got like Aliens and Jason Vorhees and stuff. Yeah,

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>they've definitely brought in characters from other franchises, but but

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they've brought in any I don't know

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>if they brought in any additional mythological figures they should.

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean they already played with a little bit of that.

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 1>So um. Now, one additional question I had based on

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 1>all of this, is all right with the with the

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>guy Bolga, you have a kind of impractical weapon that

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 1>is also sure fire like it is gonna end the

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>fight if you ever actually pull it out, But yet

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>he'll ko holand will wait three days to actually do it.

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Do we have other examples in our fiction and other

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>myths where you have this this this sure shot weapon

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that for some reason your heroes never actually produced until

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the last minute. I feel like that happens a lot,

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 1>But I'm struggling to think of an example right now.

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>The only one that really came to mind recently was

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>in the original Pacific Rim film. Like the Big Robots,

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the what do they call the the the the agers,

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>they're they're beat down there on the point of being

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 1>defeated by the giant Kaiju monsters, and then only then

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.879
<v Speaker 1>do they start using these big swords that pop out

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>of their their limbs and just completely decimate the the

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 1>creatures that they're battling. Oh, I know an example. You

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 1>remember the Mighty morphin Power Rangers. How like they would

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>have to keep when they faced a more powerful monster,

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 1>they'd have to keep like upgrading to like the next

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.919
<v Speaker 1>level of robots. And you always wondered, like, why don't

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 1>they just go to the top level of robots every

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>time so they instantly defeat their opponent no matter Why? Yeah,

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 1>why why isn't that your first move to go and

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>do exactly instead of destroying half a city battling the

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the monster for sure? Yeah, or for instance, Voltron is

0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 1>another example, Like I feel like they would try and

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>battle whatever the ro beast or the threat of the

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 1>week happened to be with just the lions, and then

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 1>they're like, I guess we need to form Voltron to

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>actually deal with this scenario. Just go ahead and form Voltron.

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly the same thing as the Power Rangers. Yeah,

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 1>first they'd fight it hand to hand, and then it

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>would get big magic wand make my monster grow it

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 1>get big, and then they'd form a bigger robot. Uh,

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>and then they'd fight it and then they'd have it

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>would get bigger again or something, and then they'd have

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>to do another thing. They'd have to go to the

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.879
<v Speaker 1>like the final robot level. Well, and I guess maybe

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 1>in all of this, there is a certain amount of

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 1>like martial arts storytelling, like like I I am reminded

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:44.839
<v Speaker 1>in professional wrestling, for instance, especially in like the Japanese

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 1>of varieties. Uh. They'll be like a super finisher that

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>an individual has, like a move that they rarely bust

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>out because it's like too dangerous. But if the matches

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>is you know, goes on long enough and there are

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 1>other finishers haven't worked, then they will turn into uh,

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, to something like that. You know, the like

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the gonzo bomb, you know something that is that the

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of the equivalent of the Guy Bolga. What is

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the Gonzo bomb? It's this guy named uh Kawata would

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>use it and it's like a power bomb where he

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 1>just drops you right on your neck. Um, you know.

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Brutal movie only busted it out like a few times,

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 1>but it was kind of like his his super move,

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>his super form that he would assume. And so I

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 1>guess it makes sense from a storytelling point of view,

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 1>if you're you're telling the story of epic mythic combatants

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.399
<v Speaker 1>going at each other, that there would be this one

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>move beyond that they might turn to. And in the

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>case of the Guy Bolga, it's not a pleasant weapon.

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:43.399
<v Speaker 1>It's a treacherous weapon. It's kind of like your hero

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:47.879
<v Speaker 1>cheating a little bit at the very end out of desperation. Well,

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>they had to cheat to defeat him in the end too,

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that's true. So yeah, though I guess he did that.

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's the opposite order, but but still, yeah,

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 1>some treachery ends up being employed. Uh, even on the

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:04.360
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