Speaker 1: Hello, we are looking for highly intelligent individuals. To find them,
Speaker 1: we have devised a test. There is a message hidden
Speaker 1: in this image. Find it and it will lead you
Speaker 1: on the road to finding us. We look forward to
Speaker 1: meeting the few that will make it all the way through.
Speaker 1: Good Lucke. Thinking Sideways, I don't understand you never know
Speaker 1: stories of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: it's Thinking Sideways the podcast. Like usual, I'm Devin, joined
Speaker 1: by Steve and Joe. So yeah, let's just go for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Yeah, obviously I'm sweet, definitely not
Speaker 1: solving this mystery. This is actual, Lea, Steve, this is
Speaker 1: one of the mysteries you're gonna hate that. Actually, there's
Speaker 1: this quote about this mystery. It's uh it says that, um,
Speaker 1: not all mysteries are solvable, but prize comes in the pursuit,
Speaker 1: And I know you hate those ones where like there's
Speaker 1: not an actual answer or anything. Yeah, So tonight we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about cicada or cicada, depending on you
Speaker 1: say the name of that insect. Let's just call it.
Speaker 1: Let's just cicada. Cicada is how I say it. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if that you guys Cicada three three one,
Speaker 1: which is let's just talk about it. You're not even
Speaker 1: going to do a preamble ready, Yeah. On January and
Speaker 1: image was posted to four chan, which is the best
Speaker 1: way to get your stuff out there. It was on
Speaker 1: the slash x thread. I guess I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't really use four chan, so I don't actually know
Speaker 1: what they call that anyways, proving our ignorance yet again.
Speaker 1: The message that we put in the beginning, before we
Speaker 1: even introduced ourselves, that was attached to an image that
Speaker 1: was essentially led to a series of clues of basically
Speaker 1: one more impossible than the next to solve, which led
Speaker 1: to who knows what, because everybody who solved this mystery
Speaker 1: or the puzzles, the set of puzzles, is essentially Internet
Speaker 1: silent at this point. There's one person who said that
Speaker 1: they solved it, but when you read every interview with them,
Speaker 1: they say they solved it up until it went into
Speaker 1: real life situations and then suddenly they were like not
Speaker 1: part of the solving it anymore. And there are some
Speaker 1: people there's a lot of groups on the Internet that
Speaker 1: are they are chats and forums and all that stuff
Speaker 1: that worked together to solve it. But we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the puzzle, so it'll become apparent. But there's
Speaker 1: only a select few people who have actually probably solved it.
Speaker 1: There's no confirmation that those people act really exist, that
Speaker 1: the solvers were actually chosen or whatever. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: one of the ground rules from zero one that you
Speaker 1: had to solve it on your own. You couldn't get
Speaker 1: you couldn't band together with a bunch of people. That.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because they do kind of say that, but
Speaker 1: also many of the clues are are literally unsolvable unless
Speaker 1: people from around the world come together. So let's we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the set of puzzles that came
Speaker 1: about from the first round of these in two thousand twelve, primarily,
Speaker 1: and we're going to walk through that. You guys are
Speaker 1: gonna hear me talking a lot. It's super interesting, though,
Speaker 1: listen to my words, the way did you solve the puzzle?
Speaker 1: I definitely did not solve the puzzle. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't even bother to try. No. I think that's the
Speaker 1: funny thing about the question of one person doing it
Speaker 1: is it requires such a broad set of skills and
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of understanding code in cryptography and
Speaker 1: all these things, like there's just such a massive breadth
Speaker 1: of areas that it covers, not to mention literature and
Speaker 1: using Yeah, it just it would seem impossible for one
Speaker 1: person to have all that jammed in their head. Definitely
Speaker 1: made for crowdsourcing. It turns out, actually it's not so
Speaker 1: impossible because there's there's we're gonna talk about two groups
Speaker 1: in this, and I was gonna wait until later to
Speaker 1: kind of delve into it, but we'll just say now
Speaker 1: there's two groups. Really, um, they refer to one group
Speaker 1: as the solvers, which are the people who like are
Speaker 1: the front line who are actively solving these things, who
Speaker 1: have the know how, who you know, are figuring this
Speaker 1: stuff out, and then the followers who once this stuff
Speaker 1: started to hit the forums. Let's see, there's um, there's forums,
Speaker 1: web communities, websites, chat rooms, Skype groups, I I R
Speaker 1: C groups, all sorts of different groups around solving these puzzles.
Speaker 1: And what happens is that there's like one or two
Speaker 1: saw actual solvers quote unquote in that group, and the
Speaker 1: rest are followers who are getting the information sec at
Speaker 1: hand and like going to the websites or like submitting
Speaker 1: the clues or whatever, and they aren't they're not actually
Speaker 1: solving anything, or they're saying, like you know, they're they're
Speaker 1: inputting like one little, tiny little bit of something. So
Speaker 1: there's a group of active solvers, and then there's the followers,
Speaker 1: and the followers are what I was talking about a
Speaker 1: little bit with like three three oh one was very
Speaker 1: displeased with the followers, which we'll talk about again in
Speaker 1: the context at the time. But you know, the interesting
Speaker 1: thing is is I pondered this particular little mysteries that
Speaker 1: of all the people on all those chat boards and
Speaker 1: forums and stuff like that, how do you know that
Speaker 1: members of three three or one aren't actually, you know,
Speaker 1: posting comments in there. Yeah, you don't, you don't know,
Speaker 1: you don't, you have no idea? Yeah. Um. So the
Speaker 1: puzzles are, as I said, kind of impossible to solve
Speaker 1: on their own, and they're impossible for most groups to
Speaker 1: solve as well. You have to be really, really smart,
Speaker 1: as he was saying, there's a lot of information you
Speaker 1: have to have in your head to know how to
Speaker 1: do this. To even like you don't even have to
Speaker 1: have the first hand knowledge but you know, like you
Speaker 1: don't have to know how to like decode this one
Speaker 1: specific kind of coding language, but you have to know
Speaker 1: well enough that that's what that's in enough to like
Speaker 1: google how to you know what for whatever. Anyways, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd be able to go out and get to get
Speaker 1: that with that one specific thing which I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name program, one program that that helps you to
Speaker 1: find a messages embedded INFLUD. We're going to talk a
Speaker 1: lot um now that we've trampled all over your train
Speaker 1: of thought at the beginning. Sure, all right, you guys, Ready,
Speaker 1: it's a picture in a message, right, it starts out
Speaker 1: that way. Let's talk about two, since it's the longest
Speaker 1: to go and it was kind of the first one.
Speaker 1: There's good documentation of it two thousand thirteen. There's better
Speaker 1: document documentation of the actual puzzle pieces, but not as
Speaker 1: good documentation of what may have happened, like after there's
Speaker 1: a there's a very distinct breaking point where the followers
Speaker 1: stop being able to follow the puzzles, which we'll talk
Speaker 1: about again. I'm sorry to keep doing this. Everybody hates
Speaker 1: it when I think that comes after the break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the stuff after the break from two thousand twelve.
Speaker 1: There's actually some stuff from that from two thousand thirteen
Speaker 1: and two fourteen, there isn't really and actually two thousand
Speaker 1: fourteen it's hot. You can't. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it's actually been I mean, I think it probably has,
Speaker 1: but I think that the people the solvers have kind
Speaker 1: of wised up enough to know not to be solving everything.
Speaker 1: And the span of these puzzles is like a month,
Speaker 1: and there are people, you know, there's one wiki which
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to put on the website that
Speaker 1: is is literally a community dedicated to solving these and
Speaker 1: there are two thousand fourteen, they're still stuff gone like
Speaker 1: one of the very early puzzles in two four and
Speaker 1: they're you know, a large, large group of people. So okay, ready, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: And I want to start out on two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: with the fact that in the two thousands, there was
Speaker 1: this thing that was really really popular called our alternate
Speaker 1: reality games. Do you guys remember those? No? Okay? So actually, Bungee,
Speaker 1: the creators of the Halo series, used one of these
Speaker 1: to promote Halo two before it's released, and I think
Speaker 1: two thousand five, I think is when it came out.
Speaker 1: They released this game called I Love Bees. That was
Speaker 1: a game that was it was a game that was
Speaker 1: a game inside the Halo universe, so it was a
Speaker 1: game that you played in an alternate reality. Okay, So
Speaker 1: these were really popular, and the way that these were
Speaker 1: often promoted or released was the same kind of way
Speaker 1: that three three oh one made their presence known. First,
Speaker 1: they you would release an image or basically a ta
Speaker 1: I guess is the word I'm looking for. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the right word. I'm looking for a tease maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: a clue of some kind, and then you know, then
Speaker 1: you would then they would drop the game and everybody
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, that's so cool, We're gonna play
Speaker 1: this game. And it's like an ultimariality. Yeah. So a
Speaker 1: lot of people initially thought that this was just like
Speaker 1: a really complex a r G. The image that was posted.
Speaker 1: People started to try and decodeed the picture. Which is
Speaker 1: the really easy way to decode a picture, right is
Speaker 1: you export it as a t x T file a
Speaker 1: text file, and then there's probably some text attached to it.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes it's just yeah, oftentimes it's just a string of numbers,
Speaker 1: and letters, and that's fine. Sometimes if there's an embedded
Speaker 1: message in it, it'll come up with something else. And actually,
Speaker 1: when you downloaded this first picture as a t x
Speaker 1: T file, they got what's called a Caesar cipher, which
Speaker 1: Joe I know knows what it is, and we've talked
Speaker 1: about well we've talked about it a little bit and
Speaker 1: I'll remind people of it in just a second. But
Speaker 1: it says type Arius Claudius Caesar says, and then a
Speaker 1: string of kind of asky type numbers, letters, symbols. Wow,
Speaker 1: talking about making it easy, Well, okay, so this type
Speaker 1: of cipher, the Caesar cipher, it's just like it's the
Speaker 1: one where you just bump letters over a certain number
Speaker 1: kind of and you you use the pad of Tiberius
Speaker 1: Caesar de cide or whatever. Anyways, so people um decoded
Speaker 1: this message, they were like, ah, this is super easy,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. This is a fun little game for
Speaker 1: everybody to play. And it led them to a u
Speaker 1: r L that contained all that was on this u
Speaker 1: r L was an image of a duck decoy that
Speaker 1: read whoops, just decoys this way looks like you can't
Speaker 1: guess how to get the message out, which is hilarious
Speaker 1: to me, but it's so much right, so people a
Speaker 1: lot of people also were like, well, this is obviously
Speaker 1: just a troll, like, but other people, that's just so
Speaker 1: much work to go to. I mean, it's not that
Speaker 1: much work, but it's a good enough amount of work
Speaker 1: to go to just to like know that people are
Speaker 1: going to think, oh, we'll just do this thing and
Speaker 1: we're so clever, look at us solving a mystery and
Speaker 1: have it, you know, not only to have that be
Speaker 1: embedded in the t x T file of the image,
Speaker 1: but to have it actually lead to your all that
Speaker 1: actually has an image that points out how dumb people.
Speaker 1: If I'd been saying this puzzle up though, I would
Speaker 1: have not done that. I would not have had a decoy.
Speaker 1: I would have had more clues and more false leads
Speaker 1: and just lead people several steps down before you finally
Speaker 1: show them the I gotta be honest with you. I
Speaker 1: think that that's there's so much other stuff that goes
Speaker 1: into this whole set of puzzles that like that was
Speaker 1: probably all they had time for, Like really, that's all
Speaker 1: they had time for. It turns out that you have
Speaker 1: to have a program called out guests, which is a
Speaker 1: stagnantography program. Is that how you say that word? I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that's pounced at photography or something better know
Speaker 1: how what that is. That's when you embed messages in
Speaker 1: JPEG's or other photographs and you have to have this
Speaker 1: specific program to pull the messages out right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. And all those things you have a lot
Speaker 1: of information embedded in them. I mean they all have
Speaker 1: like the make of the camera, the date, um, it's
Speaker 1: kind of made it metadata. Yeah, it's like yeah, as
Speaker 1: it's got all kinds of information about the photo, you know,
Speaker 1: like the you know, the lens and focal length and
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. But there's no reason you can't
Speaker 1: put other stuff in there, and a lot of people do,
Speaker 1: like terrorists for example. Well, so okay, and and just
Speaker 1: to be clear, you had to run that initial image. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're still talking about that first image. This is how
Speaker 1: deep this is through out guests. And you got the
Speaker 1: following message. Here's a book code. To find the book
Speaker 1: and more information, go to our favorite website Reddit. There's
Speaker 1: a subreaddit and then there's a list of numbers and
Speaker 1: then it says good luck three three one. All of
Speaker 1: their messages are signed good luck period three three o one.
Speaker 1: This subredit is it's just full of ridiculous ciphers. Let
Speaker 1: me show you, guys, and and we'll link it on
Speaker 1: the website. Of course. This is the subredit. You're welcome.
Speaker 1: What it is this subreddit, it's just ciphers. So these
Speaker 1: are just ciphers that people have made up. No, these
Speaker 1: are all from three three oh one. There's this one
Speaker 1: poster you can see if you go through here. It's
Speaker 1: all just one poster, but it's all you guys should
Speaker 1: go check it out. I highly encourage it. I know
Speaker 1: many of your redditors anyways, so just go on. Don't
Speaker 1: up vote these things, don't do it anyways. It's just
Speaker 1: ciphers and the metadata that you found by running through
Speaker 1: this one the very first image throughout guests Lou sent
Speaker 1: you there. I mean, this is like crazy already, right,
Speaker 1: this is crazy already to me at least, I'm not great,
Speaker 1: not great with puzzle solving in ciphers, but already like
Speaker 1: this is too much work for me, which means I'm
Speaker 1: lazy and should be weeded out. Probably. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: you get frustrated with you know, puzzles. It's true doing this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about about the string of numbers, and
Speaker 1: it could mean anything. It could mean like say a
Speaker 1: given book sif as a book cipher the outright say
Speaker 1: this is a book code. To find the book and
Speaker 1: more information go to Yeah, and then you gotta bring
Speaker 1: you gotta solve the puzzle to find out the book.
Speaker 1: And of course they found out the name of the book,
Speaker 1: but what book it was. But what's interesting to me
Speaker 1: is that it's a series of paired numbers. There's like
Speaker 1: there's a number coal and another night like one twenty
Speaker 1: could be page one, line twenty one character. But what's interesting,
Speaker 1: and I don't understand why they do it this way,
Speaker 1: is that you know, it's the first digit of every
Speaker 1: one of those pared sequences. You notice that they all grow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're sequential. There's a question. There's no reason for that.
Speaker 1: Well except for that that's a that's a very three
Speaker 1: three on one thing. They do this. There's no I
Speaker 1: noticed that in a lot of a lot of their
Speaker 1: ciphers that they were all doing that, and I thought,
Speaker 1: really that's necessary in a book code. In fact, it's
Speaker 1: probably not even a good thing. If you want to
Speaker 1: have an unbreakable code. Well they don't. They don't they
Speaker 1: want them to be breakable. They just want them to
Speaker 1: be difficult. And they also it cultivates this aura around them.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a style. It's a stylistic choice almost,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because at this point we're so far
Speaker 1: into code writers right and cipher makers that we're talking
Speaker 1: about the stylistic merits of each individual code. So that's
Speaker 1: that's interesting. But anyways, on this subreddit, not only were
Speaker 1: all these like jumbled letters and all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: there are also two pictures images. I guess pictures is
Speaker 1: not the right word. One was called welcome and the
Speaker 1: other one was called problems. And from here on out
Speaker 1: when we're talking about images, I'll just add they, um
Speaker 1: all of them are decoded without guests, because at this
Speaker 1: point people have figured out that's how you do it.
Speaker 1: And they all contain a thing called a PGP signature,
Speaker 1: which stands for pretty good pass key signature You're welcome,
Speaker 1: which basically authenticates that the images and the embedded code
Speaker 1: are coming directly from three three oh one. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to get into how PGP codes work. Google it
Speaker 1: if you're very curious it's kind of complex. It's a
Speaker 1: little complex. It exists, and then you have to have
Speaker 1: an authentication code. And yeah, so it's it's a go
Speaker 1: google it if you have questions, or you can just
Speaker 1: accept that that's a thing, whichever you prefer. And the now,
Speaker 1: the thing with PGP PGP codes is is you can't
Speaker 1: forge somebody others, somebody else, somebody else's signature. Correct well
Speaker 1: you And that's this is where the whole key thing
Speaker 1: comes in, is that they only work with a certain key,
Speaker 1: and that it's impossible apparently to forge the signature plus
Speaker 1: the key to get any kind of incorrupted data. As
Speaker 1: I said, go google it if you guys have questions.
Speaker 1: I am not a computer science person. So much time. Also,
Speaker 1: we only have so much time. The episodes are exactly
Speaker 1: forty two minutes. That allows that allows time for commercial breaks.
Speaker 1: So talk fast. I'll talk really fast. Welcome the image.
Speaker 1: The code revealed in this essentially just said Hey, from
Speaker 1: now on, all of the images that come from US
Speaker 1: are going to have this pass key. Here's the here's
Speaker 1: the key. This is this is how you this is
Speaker 1: how you authenticate that this stuff is from US. Problems message,
Speaker 1: read the key has always been right in front of
Speaker 1: your eyes. This isn't the quest for the Holy Grail.
Speaker 1: Stop making it more difficult than it is. Good Luck
Speaker 1: three one. That's so kind of them, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so kind of them. Good luck to be split in.
Speaker 1: You guys are making this way harder than it is.
Speaker 1: This is actually very simple. Just would you guys just
Speaker 1: figure it out. It turns out that the subreddit header
Speaker 1: is some symbols which were undecoded, and they gave some
Speaker 1: numbers suce essentially, which was a key that allowed users
Speaker 1: to decode all of the strings, and the subreddit which
Speaker 1: produced some things useful, the most useful of which was
Speaker 1: a phone number. So this is where things get a
Speaker 1: little weird. You call the phone number and you get
Speaker 1: a message. Do you guys want to hear what the
Speaker 1: message sounded like? Very good? You have done well. There
Speaker 1: are three prime numbers associated with the original final dot
Speaker 1: j pegg image. One is one of them. You will
Speaker 1: have to find the other two to apply all three
Speaker 1: of these numbers together and at a dot com on
Speaker 1: the end to find the next step. Good luck, goodbye. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not creepy or anything, No, not at all. So
Speaker 1: actually the next little puzzle clue, this is actually very
Speaker 1: simple for them. Uh you know, it said that you
Speaker 1: would find the there are three prime numbers associated with
Speaker 1: the original final jpeg image. Right. It turns out there
Speaker 1: was the three three oh one was one of them,
Speaker 1: which they said. The other two were actually the height
Speaker 1: and width of the image, which okay, okay, yes, it's
Speaker 1: interesting that they made the height and with prime number
Speaker 1: prime numbers, sure, whatever, But that's pretty simple, right compared
Speaker 1: to like some of the other stuff that we've seen
Speaker 1: so far, that that's a simple way to hide the information.
Speaker 1: It's not a simple thing to figure out because you
Speaker 1: know that everybody is combing back through the code of
Speaker 1: the image and not looking at When you view a
Speaker 1: image on your computer, you find it and it says
Speaker 1: final name, and it says x by x size and
Speaker 1: it gives you the dimensions. I met so many people
Speaker 1: just blew right by that obvious thing that you see
Speaker 1: all the time. Well now and and well you know,
Speaker 1: and and they always put that up there. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the image properties, they'll have you know,
Speaker 1: twelve five pixels by pixels or something like that. But
Speaker 1: you know, in retrospect, it seems pretty obvious, but probably yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're like, a, yeah, they probably would not occur
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. Now, So the two numbers
Speaker 1: heighten them with multiplied by three three one resulted in
Speaker 1: the number eight four five one five four five one
Speaker 1: to seven of note this number is actually contained in
Speaker 1: brackets in their PGP code. So that's cool. That right,
Speaker 1: that's weird. That had to be a lot of work
Speaker 1: to to figure out, Okay, what can we do? How
Speaker 1: do we do this? That would be difficult. So I
Speaker 1: guess if you were fairly savvy Internet user you could have.
Speaker 1: I guess kind of guessed that, but probably not. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting. This is something that you see kind of
Speaker 1: happened a lot in these puzzles. There are these very weird,
Speaker 1: really eerie coincidences that keep happening over and over again.
Speaker 1: This I think is one of them. I think it
Speaker 1: was obvious. They're they're well engineered, they're very well engineered,
Speaker 1: and they're they tie back into themselves. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of times puzzles just keep going
Speaker 1: clue after clue, and they just spawn in kind of
Speaker 1: a linear fashion. And this is more like a folded
Speaker 1: piece of paper just suddenly wraps back on itself and
Speaker 1: goes in the opposite direction and then comes back to
Speaker 1: it like a piece of origami almost. It's very elegant. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the website, obviously it was the number dot com.
Speaker 1: If you went to it and it was too early,
Speaker 1: you saw this countdown. It was an image of a
Speaker 1: cicado with a countdown and the image run throughout. Guests
Speaker 1: told people when to return to the site. They said
Speaker 1: to return to the site on January nine. Just for
Speaker 1: two seconds, let's talk about the fact that that first
Speaker 1: image appeared on January five, and four days later. This
Speaker 1: is where we are. This is four days you guys,
Speaker 1: like the one out for like a month about Yeah,
Speaker 1: the very last day of two thousand twelves puzzle was
Speaker 1: February three. The Internet nerds must have been going insane.
Speaker 1: And that's so freaking fast have to figure out any
Speaker 1: of that. Was there an expiration on that website? Yes,
Speaker 1: there was a start and an end on that website.
Speaker 1: How long was it you remember, I'm going to say
Speaker 1: a couple of hours at the most. Really, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so it's gonna get even more interesting, Yeah, for real?
Speaker 1: When users returned at the specified time there was There
Speaker 1: wasn't in fact, like a universal time is the u
Speaker 1: TM or something like that time code stamped on it.
Speaker 1: The image had changed and when you ran it throughout guests,
Speaker 1: it returned a series of real world coordinates. This is
Speaker 1: they were longitude and latitude coordinates. So this is when people,
Speaker 1: the users or solvers realized that this was more than
Speaker 1: just a you know, an Internet troll or a really
Speaker 1: savvy you know, it could have been created by somebody
Speaker 1: who was like super smart. It could have been their
Speaker 1: masterpiece from their basement. But these longitude and latitude coordinates
Speaker 1: pointed all over the world literally like South Korea, Dallas
Speaker 1: were multiple. I think that I don't remember the number
Speaker 1: on this one. I the other one. There's an actual
Speaker 1: list on two thousand thirteen. There's an actual list, But
Speaker 1: there were I think four or five in two thousand
Speaker 1: and twelve, and they were far reaching. Well yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was going to say, is I remember that they
Speaker 1: popped up in a number of locations, you know, Australia
Speaker 1: and Alabama and the UK. I mean, and I'm making
Speaker 1: those locations ups, but yeah, you are, because none of
Speaker 1: those are. But what I'm saying is that they were
Speaker 1: all over and so in that when that happened, it
Speaker 1: gave all it's just how many locations five I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Let's just say it was five, because I know there's
Speaker 1: been varying numbers and getting them all mixed up. There
Speaker 1: better documentation for two teams, right, But if there's five locations,
Speaker 1: all five locations coordinates were provided, is that correct? Y? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And each one led to most of them led to
Speaker 1: like telephone poles that had just printed paper with a
Speaker 1: picture of a cicada with a QR code beneath it,
Speaker 1: which is probably what most people are most familiar with
Speaker 1: when it comes to this story, that image pictures of that,
Speaker 1: you know, on a telephone pole. There are some that
Speaker 1: were on bus stops, you know, posted in the back.
Speaker 1: The one, the one in Korea from two thousand and
Speaker 1: thirteen was like on the back of like a buff shelter,
Speaker 1: public places, places anybody could get to. Yeah. So so
Speaker 1: this is this kind of in a case to me
Speaker 1: that either three zero one is a big organization like
Speaker 1: m I six or the KGB or whatever, or more
Speaker 1: likely it's a bunch of guys who were like, you know,
Speaker 1: are scattered around the world and connected via Internet, right,
Speaker 1: And that was actually the thing that's that's where I
Speaker 1: was kind of going with it, was that it made
Speaker 1: people realize that this wasn't just like one loan dude
Speaker 1: sitting in his basement, that this was a far reaching
Speaker 1: network that actually had to have some resources. You know,
Speaker 1: they had this phone number, but you can hear I
Speaker 1: think we've probably edited out the like redial redirect in
Speaker 1: the video, but you can hear when they when you
Speaker 1: called that phone number, you dial the phone number and
Speaker 1: then it redirects to another phone number and then you
Speaker 1: get the message. They hosted numerous websites. You know, it's anonymously.
Speaker 1: It's not just hosting it because it's easy to buy.
Speaker 1: We know firsthand it's easy to just buy a domain
Speaker 1: and host something on it, but to do that anonymously
Speaker 1: is less easy. And sure you can hack a thing
Speaker 1: and find whatever, but to get your specific U r
Speaker 1: L specific everything, you know, that's that's it requires resources. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so this also was when people realized that they
Speaker 1: had to work together because there was no way that
Speaker 1: people were going to be able to get to all
Speaker 1: these places short of having their own private jet and
Speaker 1: also a lot of permissions around the world to just
Speaker 1: fly in wherever, whenever, because there was this feeling of
Speaker 1: you know that the whole first part of this had
Speaker 1: taken four days. You know, who knows how long the
Speaker 1: time stamp on these QR codes was. And but also
Speaker 1: you know, who knows how long that piece of paper
Speaker 1: is going to last exactly? Yeah, And I guess, I
Speaker 1: guess it's interesting because we're about to read the two messages.
Speaker 1: There were two messages that were turned from the QR codes.
Speaker 1: There are two separate ones from many of the different
Speaker 1: QR code's in which three three oh one kind of
Speaker 1: admonishes people for being followers not solvers on this specific puzzle,
Speaker 1: because I just I think it's interesting because this clue
Speaker 1: necessitates people working together so much. The two different codes
Speaker 1: that you could find were in twenty nine volumes. Knowledge
Speaker 1: was once contained how many lines of code remained when
Speaker 1: the mab mab magnodon mamadozan pause, go for that far
Speaker 1: in the beginning and find my first name. And then
Speaker 1: there was a string of numbers similar to the ones
Speaker 1: that we found in the previous with the you know,
Speaker 1: two sets of numbers looking like a cipher. You've shared
Speaker 1: too much at this point. We want the best, not
Speaker 1: the followers. Thus the first few there will receive the
Speaker 1: prize good luck through three O one admonishment for the followers. Right.
Speaker 1: In fact, Cicada one the group three one are are
Speaker 1: the people who coined the term followers. I did not
Speaker 1: originally catch that. Yeah, that's the first time you see
Speaker 1: that actually crop up up in anything. They're really directing
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: intentional or not, but that's definitely a lot of power
Speaker 1: and it will be just to do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I think I think that it would
Speaker 1: be hard to say that they were not aware of
Speaker 1: what they're doing. It is, you know, this is part puzzle,
Speaker 1: part social experiment, and that's I think the thing that
Speaker 1: creeps people at the most about it. But let's read
Speaker 1: what happened what the next one was to the other
Speaker 1: QR code, since that's what we were talking about before
Speaker 1: we went on a tiny little side track there read
Speaker 1: a poema fading death, named for a king, meant to
Speaker 1: be read only once, then vanished alas it could not
Speaker 1: remain unseen. Numbers again, you share too much of this point.
Speaker 1: We want the best, not the followers. Thus the first
Speaker 1: few there will receive the prize. Good luck three one
Speaker 1: book codes obviously they Steve is making a face like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't understand how it's obvious. Listen,
Speaker 1: the numbers are the code, right, but the little refrains
Speaker 1: the poems in front of it, our descriptions of the book.
Speaker 1: Both of them put together our descriptions of the book. Okay,
Speaker 1: and Agrippa also a Greek philosopher or some famous Greek guy.
Speaker 1: Is it also refers to this book. It's called Agrippa
Speaker 1: a Book of the Dead, which was banned. It's by
Speaker 1: William Gibson, I think it was. It came out and
Speaker 1: in fact, interesting fun facts about this book. It was
Speaker 1: only ever released on a three point five floppy disc
Speaker 1: program to encrypt itself after after a single use it
Speaker 1: read is a one itself. Yeah, this is like the
Speaker 1: Inspector gadget thing. This message will self destructed. They're using
Speaker 1: this cipher that's right, that is, But what do you
Speaker 1: think about it? It's like, you know, it's how many
Speaker 1: people are going to know the existence of this book
Speaker 1: and the fact that it goes away after the first
Speaker 1: reading and can't be reviewed again, not many and then
Speaker 1: and you know, I suspect that at this point, you know,
Speaker 1: it's on Google Books or like somebody's upload a PDF
Speaker 1: of it or something, right, you know, by two thou twelve,
Speaker 1: it's not like, really you had to go find your
Speaker 1: three point five floppy drive and go find an old
Speaker 1: copy of it or whatever. That's you know, the timeline
Speaker 1: of the solving of this does not lead to that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it exists somewhere on the internet. I have
Speaker 1: not done my research to prove that it has exists
Speaker 1: on the internet, but I'm just gonna everything else doesn't exist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course it does. Yeah, anyways, it led to a
Speaker 1: tour you or all you guys know what torres, right,
Speaker 1: The Onion onions, the one that the dark the dark Web. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Tor project. It's an Onion network. It's basically anonymous.
Speaker 1: It is anonymous. Actually, it's an onion network refers to
Speaker 1: you guys are watching my hand right now, refers to
Speaker 1: layers upon layers upon layers. Essentially, what an Onion network
Speaker 1: will do is once you log into it, it masks
Speaker 1: your i SP address in so many different layers. It
Speaker 1: just pings you all around. It is a thing on
Speaker 1: which you can access things that you cannot access any
Speaker 1: other way. The Silk Road is a great example of it.
Speaker 1: We just talked about. Anonymous makes great use of it.
Speaker 1: Most hackers make great use of it. It's also free,
Speaker 1: open source. If you feel like just playing around on
Speaker 1: the dark web, you can download it and use it immediately.
Speaker 1: Not condoning that, but do whatever you want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like that's one of those things you know, you don't.
Speaker 1: You probably don't want to do that because who knows
Speaker 1: that probably give some nar do well back door access
Speaker 1: in your computer when you run that. So I just think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't, but don't do it anyways. You'll see things
Speaker 1: that cannot be unseen. Let's leave it at that. Let's
Speaker 1: let's leave it at that. The tour site was a
Speaker 1: message that read congratulations, Please create a new email address
Speaker 1: with a public, free web based service once you've it
Speaker 1: says once you've never used before. That's why I keep
Speaker 1: stumbling on it. It means one you've never used before. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we recommend you do this while still using tour for anonymity.
Speaker 1: We will email you a number within the next few days,
Speaker 1: in order of which you arrived at this page. Once
Speaker 1: you've received it, come back to this page and append
Speaker 1: the slash then the number you received this u r L.
Speaker 1: For example, if you're saved this number, then you would
Speaker 1: go to http colin slash slash the U r L
Speaker 1: of the tour added dot onions slash the number that
Speaker 1: you receive. That makes sense, you guys. I know you
Speaker 1: guys are looking at it. I know that our listeners
Speaker 1: are not looking at Any way to think about it
Speaker 1: is there's a web address www dot Google dot com,
Speaker 1: slash number, and then you would insert your number after
Speaker 1: you know, slash Google, slash inner your number, and that
Speaker 1: would take you somewhere else. Yeah. This is uh, this
Speaker 1: is where the brake comes. Actually the brake, the brake
Speaker 1: we were talking about the brake earlier. This is where
Speaker 1: followers stop being able to follow because it's the interesting
Speaker 1: three three oh one starts emailing only specific people, specific instructions. Now,
Speaker 1: what happened in two thousand twelve is interesting. Everybody who
Speaker 1: received this email, everybody that people generally except were the
Speaker 1: solvers in two twelve, you know, probably got the everything right,
Speaker 1: sent the right email, all that stuff disappears off the
Speaker 1: interne at this point, at least with the handles that
Speaker 1: they were using at their activity. Their activity drops off,
Speaker 1: which is to be expected. I think if you are
Speaker 1: granted access to the inner sanctum of a group like
Speaker 1: three through one, you're probably gonna go dark. Even if
Speaker 1: it's just that handle that you were using, you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna go dark. Except for this one dude who's a ruiner.
Speaker 1: And he's definitely that kid who cheated when you played
Speaker 1: like heads Up seven Up as a kid, Like he
Speaker 1: like saw your shoes and he was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: know it was you. You know that guy. You guys
Speaker 1: know that guy. I know that guy. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what heads up seven up is. You don't know
Speaker 1: what heads up seven up is? Oh man, okay something
Speaker 1: for another episode. It doesn't matter anyways, So none of
Speaker 1: this is verifiable. And he was the lucky few they
Speaker 1: trusted him, and he's a jerk and an awful human being.
Speaker 1: And I cannot stress enough how annoyed I am, but
Speaker 1: also how happy I am that he mirrored and screen
Speaker 1: capped and copy pasted onto many different websites the email
Speaker 1: he received from three three oh one. What was the email. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that right now. The email
Speaker 1: was a final clue, while it was instructions on a
Speaker 1: final clue essentially, and it was an r s A puzzle.
Speaker 1: You guys have so much googling to do. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to explain what an r s
Speaker 1: A puzzle is. It's the except for to say that
Speaker 1: it's kind of a fancy online cryptograph basically so complicated.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's so complicated that every single website or
Speaker 1: article that you read about three three oh one at
Speaker 1: this point either like just glosses over the fact that
Speaker 1: an r s A puzzle exists or literally says and
Speaker 1: I quote, if you don't understand how it was solved,
Speaker 1: go ask in a chat room. I am not lying.
Speaker 1: That is how complicated in our essay code is. You
Speaker 1: can't just google it. You can, but then you have
Speaker 1: to read like a Wikipedia page that's like really really long, guys.
Speaker 1: I promise it's gonna be way easier if you'd like
Speaker 1: feel like you really need to know what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's it's imperative to understand when
Speaker 1: r s A code is to understand. If it's that,
Speaker 1: just go google it or ask in a chat room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When this code was solved, the solver got a second
Speaker 1: email containing an M I d I puzzle, a MIDI
Speaker 1: puzzle if you will, which is audio. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: And that key to that puzzle was a song. I
Speaker 1: am not lying. This is not the only time they
Speaker 1: did this. I wish I could find this one but
Speaker 1: three three one composed a song and each tone in
Speaker 1: that song corresponds to a letter, which corresponds to a
Speaker 1: word that you then have to decode, which is so
Speaker 1: cool and easy. I can't even deal with it. So now,
Speaker 1: so now each each note then on the on the
Speaker 1: scale was corresponded to a letter. Okay, so and this
Speaker 1: and the song again, the song was the encrypted message,
Speaker 1: or the song was the key the song with the
Speaker 1: encrypted message along with that, y uh, there was another
Speaker 1: song that you had to figure out what it was
Speaker 1: by like a weird also kind of the way that
Speaker 1: people had to figure out what Agrippia or Agrippa was
Speaker 1: just kind of a vague description of the song. They
Speaker 1: found out it was this other song that was actually
Speaker 1: the key to the code that they had found in
Speaker 1: the tones of the song, was it Loving You by
Speaker 1: Mini Ripton? It was not. Thank God. I'm at this point.
Speaker 1: I feel the dumbest I've ever felt my entire life,
Speaker 1: because there's literally no way that I could figure any
Speaker 1: of this out. Ever. Ever, the message that you found
Speaker 1: once you decoded the song, that was super easy to
Speaker 1: figure out that it was tones that corresponded to letters.
Speaker 1: The message was very good. You have proven to be
Speaker 1: the most dedicated to come this far to attain enlightenment.
Speaker 1: Create a it says GPG, but it probably means p
Speaker 1: g P key for your email address and upload it
Speaker 1: to the mick key servers. Then encrypted with the following
Speaker 1: word list using the Cicada three three oh one public key.
Speaker 1: Sign it with your key, send the askey armored cipher
Speaker 1: text to the Gmail account from which you received your numbers,
Speaker 1: and your words are And then there was a unique
Speaker 1: list of words for each different solver, like this one
Speaker 1: says garden ball, house, cat, shore head, gallon, and and
Speaker 1: again this we know this because the spoiler there's a ruiner,
Speaker 1: and this the spoiler put this out on the internet. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so messages were sent and no one knows what the
Speaker 1: next part was nobody knows how long it took sa
Speaker 1: Kadaree three oh one to reply. All anybody knows is
Speaker 1: that about a month later, February third one posted on
Speaker 1: the aforementioned subreddit. It's still the top message on that subreddit,
Speaker 1: saying that they had found the individuals they were looking
Speaker 1: for and thanks or whatever. They didn't actually say thanks
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's a very diplomatic message, but that's what
Speaker 1: they said. That was it for three and sixty six days,
Speaker 1: and we didn't we don't know how many people actually
Speaker 1: solved it. They found who they were looking for, apparently,
Speaker 1: and that's the whole That's another bit of the puzzle, right,
Speaker 1: is that like, for all we know, they found nobody
Speaker 1: exactly exactly in the end, I mean, because because in
Speaker 1: the end, if I recall, right, you went to a
Speaker 1: website and that was like, you know, the Holy Grail,
Speaker 1: and then but if you were and among the first people,
Speaker 1: then they just basically shut the website down. That's that's
Speaker 1: the later year. That was actually the three and sixty
Speaker 1: six days later, Okay, when it started all over again
Speaker 1: in two. It's all just similar puzzles, lots more complex now.
Speaker 1: The first one happened January fourth, jan fifth. The first
Speaker 1: one hit on the fifth of two twelve, so the
Speaker 1: next one is the sixth of January. Because it was okay,
Speaker 1: because it was weird that they bumped in a day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was intentional or time zones. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's okay if that makes sense, possibility. But you know
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, I'd like to point out
Speaker 1: the people who are working on these puzzles, they really
Speaker 1: need to get alive. Yeah, I think that's probably fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this one had it's a little They also had a
Speaker 1: song in this I'm not I'm obviously not going to
Speaker 1: go into the kind of detail we just went into.
Speaker 1: You you guys don't have to hear my voice for
Speaker 1: another forty hours, But I do want to talk about
Speaker 1: this song because it's very interesting. Uh, we're gonna play
Speaker 1: a little bit of it at least, maybe Steve will
Speaker 1: be generous to me and like edit the rest of
Speaker 1: it in who knows, we'll see, But here's a little
Speaker 1: bit of it. The music was accompanied by a message
Speaker 1: way Yeah, I like it. I could listen to that
Speaker 1: like all day. There's a hum underneath it that they
Speaker 1: found that they don't totally know what's up with yet,
Speaker 1: but that's fine. A crappy mixture like the one that
Speaker 1: we were using. Yeah, Like, if you listen to all
Speaker 1: of the episodes, we also have a We actually embedded
Speaker 1: that on purpose in anticipation of this episode. The days
Speaker 1: of the background tone. Yeah, listen to the variations of
Speaker 1: the tone. There's a there's a coded message, there is
Speaker 1: go for it. You were terrible. The Instar emergence parable
Speaker 1: one billion, five million, two hundred and seventy seven thousand,
Speaker 1: six hundred and forty one another that many parables there are,
Speaker 1: like the Instar tunneling to the surface. We must shed
Speaker 1: our own circumferences, find the divinity within the emergence, within
Speaker 1: any merge, within any merge. Thank you. I'm just messing.
Speaker 1: It was the numbers. It was the numbers. I got
Speaker 1: confused because I got so excited about the numbers I'm
Speaker 1: about to talk about right now. The song I think
Speaker 1: it's two minutes and forty seven seconds long, which is
Speaker 1: actually a hundred and sixty seven seconds long. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I thought I misspoke, but I didn't, And
Speaker 1: the file was saved as seven hundred and sixty one,
Speaker 1: MP three, both prime numbers reversible of each other. They
Speaker 1: call them emmerps, which are prime numbers that are anagrams
Speaker 1: of no no no, which are with that board and
Speaker 1: backwards of each other. An antagram is switching no. An
Speaker 1: anagram is being able to switch the letters around for
Speaker 1: something else. It's a I don't remember, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, it doesn't really matter. That number will
Speaker 1: come and play in just a second. We're not going
Speaker 1: to talk a whole lot about it again. The two
Speaker 1: thirteen also saw a Linux based OS only for Cicada.
Speaker 1: That was how they launched it. Uh. They made use
Speaker 1: of Twitter, which was almost literally impossible to solve. One
Speaker 1: guy did it and shared it, but the community as
Speaker 1: a whole was pretty stumped by all of the Twitter
Speaker 1: stuff for like an entire day, which, if you guys
Speaker 1: have learned anything about three three oh one, being stuck
Speaker 1: on one clue for an entire day is like basically
Speaker 1: death in top in the puzzle solving, the puzzles were
Speaker 1: getting more and more complicated, because, you know, the two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve puzzles had become popular and people had been
Speaker 1: talking about the unsolved mystery qualities of it. So once
Speaker 1: this two thirteen puzzle started, there were so many more
Speaker 1: followers or almost solvers sort of, so the puzzles we're
Speaker 1: getting really really complicated. And eventually the solvers revealed two
Speaker 1: files within the original Linux OS that I just like
Speaker 1: totally backhanded mentioned two seconds ago that were called Wisdom
Speaker 1: and Folly. Wisdom was exactly the same as Folly, except
Speaker 1: for that it didn't have a file type, which is
Speaker 1: kind of weird. So Wisdom was wisdom. I'm just making
Speaker 1: this up again, as I do with everything. Wisdom dot
Speaker 1: t x T. No, it was just Wisdom was like
Speaker 1: folly dot okay ahead of backwards. Okay, all right, I
Speaker 1: got it. I was just making sure. So so basically
Speaker 1: you had to just like randomly started signing file type
Speaker 1: extensions to it. And both of those were the files
Speaker 1: that contained the real world locations of the QR codes,
Speaker 1: one of which was in Portland, Oregon. And actually, this
Speaker 1: is this is interesting to me. I'm sorry, it's a
Speaker 1: weird little tangent. I plugged the launch student latitude into
Speaker 1: Google Maps to see where it was, street viewed it
Speaker 1: and it's actually leads to a website how hosting storefront
Speaker 1: on Powel Boulevard in Portland in southeast Portland that is
Speaker 1: connected to a coffeehouse that I've been to recently and
Speaker 1: still for some reason has an Internet cafe component to it,
Speaker 1: like it has an old like an old old desktop
Speaker 1: computer attached to like an Ethernet cable. True, which is weird.
Speaker 1: Did you check out the telephone pole out in front? No,
Speaker 1: but it's I just think that like I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't check out on any of the other ones. It
Speaker 1: seems to mostly be just random telephone poles and bus
Speaker 1: stops and stuff. For whatever reason, It's very odd to
Speaker 1: me that that would be the place that they would
Speaker 1: pick to put the one in Portland. But well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that all of their locations were seemingly random to
Speaker 1: anybody that wasn't in the No fair totally fair again.
Speaker 1: The QR code led to a tour dot onion site,
Speaker 1: which led to the creation of emails for the solvers
Speaker 1: which there were links sent to them by puzzles. Apparently
Speaker 1: that led to there was a little bit of a
Speaker 1: leaker in this one as well. It led to a
Speaker 1: nineteen question questionnaire that started out as multiple choice questions
Speaker 1: with a set of like kind of weird answers that
Speaker 1: were like true false and determinate what will be will
Speaker 1: be no answer, both sort of stuff. There were also
Speaker 1: some questions that were filling your own answer. The quiz
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. I mean, it probably doesn't matter. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it matters for the solvers. The interesting bit for us
Speaker 1: is that the site that the quiz was hosted on
Speaker 1: save two cookies to each solver's computer, which were a
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven equals and asky code and seven
Speaker 1: and sixty one equals and ask you code. You guys
Speaker 1: remember those numbers. That's fine. So again we have that
Speaker 1: moment where we're just like it again. It's that elegance
Speaker 1: of tying it back into the beginning. So, I mean, really,
Speaker 1: so I get this feeling that what they're doing is
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get people who I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned this before. It's it's the very linear and the
Speaker 1: not so linear, and they're trying to weed out the
Speaker 1: people who are thinking very linear and leaving the I
Speaker 1: figured this part out behind and not really exploring everything
Speaker 1: in that clue before they go on to the next bit.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's like those old legend of Zelda
Speaker 1: and stuff used to do that as you'd I know,
Speaker 1: this is weird, but you'd be playing the original legend
Speaker 1: of Zelda and you'll be going through an area and
Speaker 1: you'd see this thing and you think, wow, that was
Speaker 1: really weird. I can't get to it. Oh well, and
Speaker 1: you'd go along and then a couple of levels later
Speaker 1: you'd get the bombs and you had to come back
Speaker 1: with the bomb to get into. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: like this this weird looping and and stopping people from
Speaker 1: just rushing forward instead of exploring the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I guess that for me, it would be
Speaker 1: kind of like the portal to train where you can
Speaker 1: go through and like just do all the missions, but
Speaker 1: you missed this entire like side story if you like
Speaker 1: don't explore all the areas. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: it's pretty significant that like they're these little like easter
Speaker 1: eggs almost hidden throughout, but also speaks of something that's
Speaker 1: very well planned. It's not like, you know, they just decide, oh,
Speaker 1: or we'll do it again maybe and then we'll like
Speaker 1: figure it out from there. It's so elegantly planned, so
Speaker 1: everything has a purpose and a meaning yeah, So to
Speaker 1: get back to the strings of so called ASKY code
Speaker 1: or those in plain text, were they unencrypted or were
Speaker 1: they encrypted? There were cookies, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: they were just I don't think you can encrypt a cookie. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean what I mean is, so if it's a
Speaker 1: string of ASKI code, then that represents letters and numbers. Correct.
Speaker 1: And so did anybody you know, decipher the asking to
Speaker 1: figure out what if there was a message there? No,
Speaker 1: because there were instructions. I mean, it just kind of
Speaker 1: continued to go on. I don't think that anybody tried
Speaker 1: to decode it, or if they did, they didn't find anything.
Speaker 1: This is my understanding of it, and I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: The solvers were after that, asked to create a server
Speaker 1: of their very own, with a lot of very specific
Speaker 1: protocols that include a stipulation that if a user returned
Speaker 1: a false something that it had to elegantly sign off
Speaker 1: greeting or something like that. I mean, it's just it
Speaker 1: was very complex. It was definitely targeted to weed out
Speaker 1: the lazy people and the followers and only get the
Speaker 1: solvers got it. That was it. I think it was
Speaker 1: like two weeks after that they they said that had
Speaker 1: to be created by February third, and then two weeks
Speaker 1: after February three, the servers started to get pinged, and
Speaker 1: that was the last thing anybody heard, or that's the
Speaker 1: last week. That's the last that anybody who's around still
Speaker 1: talk about it, or is still talking about it, heard
Speaker 1: how many servers were talking about here a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if anybody knows the exact number,
Speaker 1: because they're all user created, and it's totally possible that
Speaker 1: somebody was figuring out these puzzles on their own and
Speaker 1: never said anything to anybody anyways. And then again in
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, this time they launched their puzzles with Twitter,
Speaker 1: and as I said before, I'm not totally sure that
Speaker 1: it's been solved. And there's some argument as to whether
Speaker 1: or not it's a legitimate three three oh one recruitment
Speaker 1: or not. So many things, is an impostor yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: launched on Twitter slightly different all you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people are thinking impossible. But the Twitter handle that
Speaker 1: was used in twenty two launch was also the same
Speaker 1: Twitter handle that was used very briefly in and that handle,
Speaker 1: if I correct me, if I'm wrong, but after he
Speaker 1: did whatever it did in the beginning of just what
Speaker 1: silent and just no activity, and suddenly it came to
Speaker 1: life again. That's true. I will say Twitter not the
Speaker 1: most secure thing. Um. Also, there is some kind of
Speaker 1: speculation about ten maybe not being real. I think two
Speaker 1: thirteen was probably real. I think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that went into that that three three oh
Speaker 1: one it would have been too much work for any
Speaker 1: person to recreate. But two fourteen it's hard to tell.
Speaker 1: But really, I mean, the other big question are really
Speaker 1: the big question here right now that we've talked about
Speaker 1: all these puzzles, You're welcome, everybody is who the heck
Speaker 1: is cicada? Three three oh one? M M. I guess
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that are like interesting. The
Speaker 1: only one of which that I really want to talk
Speaker 1: about is the fact that cicada, the word cicada is
Speaker 1: in it in itself a prime word. What do you
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? Well, so we were
Speaker 1: just talking about anagram's right word that you can make
Speaker 1: using the letters of any other word, uh, and you can't.
Speaker 1: Cicada is literally the only word that you can make
Speaker 1: with those letters. In English. Well, yeah, okay, in English. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't call themselves cicada, right, They just put
Speaker 1: up a picture of a cicada or what appears to
Speaker 1: be a cicada, but which is not necessarily a cicada. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's still interesting. I think it's still interesting. They
Speaker 1: associate themselves with that animal and in English cicada. And
Speaker 1: that's a It's a prime word, as is three three
Speaker 1: oh one is also a prime number. Right, So there's
Speaker 1: a prime quality that is fairly interesting, um, including the
Speaker 1: fact that three three oh one not only is a
Speaker 1: prime number, but if you add all the digits together,
Speaker 1: it creates a prime number, which is seven. Interesting, I
Speaker 1: guess a little bit. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: enough about math to know if all prime numbers are
Speaker 1: if you add them up they return prime numbers or not.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they do, not necessarily, but cicada.
Speaker 1: But if you add them up, there's there's six letters
Speaker 1: in the word though, right, yes, you say they add
Speaker 1: up to seven. No, three three oh one, Okay, misunderstood.
Speaker 1: That is a bit confusing. And of course, the thing
Speaker 1: about primes is they are indivisible. In other words, their
Speaker 1: individual because an individual is someone who cannot be divided down.
Speaker 1: So in the sense, and then of course these guys
Speaker 1: they're slogan is of course they're all about individualism, privacy, freedom,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and security. So you guys want
Speaker 1: to talk about the like big bulk theories of there's
Speaker 1: no I was talking to Steve earlier and like, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna like say some stuff like people say, hey,
Speaker 1: it could be this person or could be that person.
Speaker 1: There's literally no evidence to suggest any of it. We're
Speaker 1: just going to say some stuff. That's literally how we're
Speaker 1: going to do theories is I'm just going to say, oh,
Speaker 1: it could be these people, but who knows. And then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, or it could be these people and
Speaker 1: who knows. Yeah, but this is not the whole idea
Speaker 1: of like the intelligence services. And I know that's one
Speaker 1: of the theories that's out there. It's like it's it's
Speaker 1: been done in the past that they even back as
Speaker 1: far as World War Two, I mean the Brits, British
Speaker 1: intelligence was putting crossword puzzles and other things in the papers.
Speaker 1: So the thing that's actually interesting about that for me
Speaker 1: is that the it's we'll just jump into this. The
Speaker 1: c I A the n s A M sixteen. I'm sorry, Emma,
Speaker 1: intelligence NOMATIC M I six kgb. People say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: recruitment for them. They model their tests for code breaking
Speaker 1: and ciphers on these codes and ciphers. Sure, government agencies
Speaker 1: can be shady. Absolutely. Could they be creating all of
Speaker 1: these puzzles and ciphers and tests and then saying, oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, those are so good that we should pub
Speaker 1: locally face create some stuff that is a test like that.
Speaker 1: But they don't. Their their tests aren't as good as these,
Speaker 1: like they're just not. So. Yeah, it could be. It
Speaker 1: could be the government, but I I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: And I also don't think you know, it's like really
Speaker 1: far reaching and kind of it just doesn't seem right
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know. Steve's got a eyebrow raised
Speaker 1: face on um, Okay, this is way off the beaten path,
Speaker 1: but that tends to be where I am with these
Speaker 1: kind of stories, and I just hang out in the weeds.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list of possible whoever is making
Speaker 1: these and the thing that I tie together and and
Speaker 1: bear with because I'm going to kind of trample through
Speaker 1: this a little bit on Alright, So we've talked about
Speaker 1: government agencies. The other ones that I see here are
Speaker 1: anonymous Illuminati scientologists, which is hilarious, Google, terrorists, organizations, and
Speaker 1: aliens and aliens, but aliens know how to use Twitter.
Speaker 1: Is that I mean, that's that's just kind of a
Speaker 1: snapshot of the organization. And I'm wondering if maybe we're
Speaker 1: not making a huge air is when we're trying to
Speaker 1: figure this out of presuming that this is made by
Speaker 1: a group. And what I mean by that is the
Speaker 1: puzzle is made by a group of very intelligent people
Speaker 1: working together, very clever people working together. As I look
Speaker 1: at some of these things, I mean we talked about
Speaker 1: the prime numbers are always tied in and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of serious math and a lot of serious codes.
Speaker 1: Prime no. But I wish it was um Now, what
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm looking at is I'm wondering if it
Speaker 1: isn't that a savant of some kind. In other words,
Speaker 1: let's just say that there is one person we'll just
Speaker 1: call them the Sherlock Holmes of puzzles, that hyper intelligent
Speaker 1: person who figures this out and just for a year
Speaker 1: because This is how folks that think that way. They
Speaker 1: just get so focused and they just work on these things,
Speaker 1: and then somebody else is helping them to publicize and
Speaker 1: to put it out and put it in all its locations.
Speaker 1: But it could be a single individual. Do I think
Speaker 1: it is not likely? I think some helpers. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's underlings. Let's just say that. So, so we've
Speaker 1: got we've got, you know, the super smart guy, and
Speaker 1: then he's got his minions, and his minions are going
Speaker 1: about and putting up the signs in South Korea or
Speaker 1: where or Portland or wherever they are. I guess that
Speaker 1: one person is doing I just the question for that is,
Speaker 1: like to what end? You know? The reason that people
Speaker 1: do the whole group thing that think it's a group
Speaker 1: is that it's a recruitment, right that. That's how people
Speaker 1: make sense of this, is that because it actually kind
Speaker 1: of publicly says, right, hey, we're recruiting a lot of
Speaker 1: really intelligent people, and you have to prove your intelligence
Speaker 1: to even like be granted primary access to us. And
Speaker 1: for one person who's a savant, like, what the what
Speaker 1: the endgame there is? Is it just because they want
Speaker 1: to like interact with other smart people, well their societies
Speaker 1: for that, there groups for that. There's no need to
Speaker 1: like do this and like have the underlings who somehow
Speaker 1: are like being totally silent, because as we've learned, there
Speaker 1: are ruiners everywhere, more than one, you know, pretty much
Speaker 1: always get busted open. But yeah, I wonder if you
Speaker 1: know there's there's there's a certain level with things where
Speaker 1: people make extremely hard puzzles. Is they want to prove
Speaker 1: that they are so good at doing it, that they
Speaker 1: make it so well that nobody can figure out. Those
Speaker 1: people are generally so prideful that like after that first year,
Speaker 1: we would they would have been like, hey, guys, guess
Speaker 1: what I did this, but nobody figured it out. I
Speaker 1: did it, or at least maybe you know the fact
Speaker 1: that it has continued on you guys. I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 1: with you guys, but I think there's another way of
Speaker 1: looking at it too, which is a reverse and that
Speaker 1: it's not a recruitment program and it's it's it's actually
Speaker 1: a resume. So let's suppose you want to catch the
Speaker 1: eye of the N s A and you want them
Speaker 1: to hire you. So and there was there was one
Speaker 1: or two persons out there, Like there was one guy
Speaker 1: who actually was interviewed for a fairly lengthy article about
Speaker 1: his participation in this whole thing and how he solved
Speaker 1: all this stuff and everything. So he was the one
Speaker 1: who like went up to the break and was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally solved it. But actually he like he actually
Speaker 1: created the whole thing and solved it and didn't really
Speaker 1: solve it because he already knew that he already needs
Speaker 1: the solutions to it. And this is a way of
Speaker 1: looking at making himself appear to be incredibly uber smart
Speaker 1: potential employers and not just It's really interesting is that,
Speaker 1: Like when I read that article, I was just kind
Speaker 1: of like, you don't know that the guy actually did anything? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't super impressed with his abilities. I
Speaker 1: guess no. I mean as far as those leaked emails,
Speaker 1: you don't even know if those things were real. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no id there's no chance that you just don't
Speaker 1: know it could have been. That's a great point, could
Speaker 1: have been a red herring. Well, and that's why we
Speaker 1: say we you know is your experts and three one
Speaker 1: and that's why that there's that break, right, is that
Speaker 1: you can say, up until this point, we can publicly
Speaker 1: verify via you know, screenshots, via many anecdotal evidences, that
Speaker 1: was the wrong phrasing, and we don't care that these
Speaker 1: things had happening. There's hard proof of all those things.
Speaker 1: And at that point, once they switch over to the
Speaker 1: email stuff, you just take you're just taking on faith
Speaker 1: that like that existed. You don't actually know. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: emails may never have actually happened. They were typed up
Speaker 1: and then screen capped, and yeah, they never really or
Speaker 1: not even I mean, or it was just somebody who
Speaker 1: was like crap, like I wasn't smart enough to get
Speaker 1: the email, like I better fake it and make people
Speaker 1: think that I leaked it, and that's why I got
Speaker 1: like shut out or whatever. You know that there is
Speaker 1: no way to know. There's no way to know that
Speaker 1: once you created your server, once you create your email.
Speaker 1: Didn't the guy who, as you refer to him, the ruiner,
Speaker 1: the ruiner, didn't the ruiner suddenly start saying didn't he
Speaker 1: take down the stuff that he had put up? And
Speaker 1: kind of backtracked a lot on what he did? Am
Speaker 1: I incorrect and remembering it that way? I don't remember
Speaker 1: that I thought that there was something about he put
Speaker 1: some stuff up and then publicity came his way and
Speaker 1: suddenly like sort of changed his tools. He put stuff up,
Speaker 1: and then there was a second set of emails that
Speaker 1: was sent out to a lot of people apparently that
Speaker 1: essentially it was, well, there was a change to that
Speaker 1: initial like website that said we're going to send out emails,
Speaker 1: but said we're going to sound out a second round
Speaker 1: of emails because y'all are ruiners. Everything that we sent
Speaker 1: out no longer works. You have to do it again, essentially.
Speaker 1: But I don't remember him like backtrack, and I may
Speaker 1: have just inferred in the way that I read it,
Speaker 1: but I thought that he kind of backtracked and changed
Speaker 1: his tow and almost like whoever was in contact with
Speaker 1: him got in contact with him saying, uh, nude screwed
Speaker 1: up and if you don't fix this, I'm going to
Speaker 1: break your legs. Kind of yeah, yeah, do you guys
Speaker 1: want to talk about some more of the people that
Speaker 1: already listen? Ye? The next group is anonymous, And I
Speaker 1: think there is no need for Anonymous to do something
Speaker 1: like this every day from just like super mundane hackers
Speaker 1: like and that this is not the skill This is
Speaker 1: not the skill set they're looking for. Well, and it
Speaker 1: may be, but it doesn't matter because like they have,
Speaker 1: they don't need to be recruiting like this. They have
Speaker 1: so many like fanboys just like crying to be a
Speaker 1: part of them, that are talented enough. Probably, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure of it. Yeah, No, I mean I think that,
Speaker 1: like that's the whole thing is like Anonymous has enough
Speaker 1: popularity they don't have like this they can weed people
Speaker 1: out of. It doesn't fit their m Yeah that's at all.
Speaker 1: It doesn't I don't see them going this way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't fit their mo except to say that they
Speaker 1: kind of like that, like the elegance sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and they do kind of oftentimes. Some of the quotes
Speaker 1: the emails some members of Anonymous talk that way. But
Speaker 1: also to say that Anonymous is like a single minded
Speaker 1: hive mind is the most inaccurate thing I've ever heard
Speaker 1: in my entire life. It's not this is so like
Speaker 1: pointed and driven that uh yeah, I just know. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Illuminati, who we don't even know really exists, but
Speaker 1: they do, and they would have the resources for this
Speaker 1: next scientology. That's how much credit I'm going to give
Speaker 1: the Illuminati sorry everything. Yeah, actually, I know you really
Speaker 1: want us to talk about the Illuminati at some point, yeah,
Speaker 1: will maybe so. Scientology I don't quite understand. Again, I think,
Speaker 1: like anonymous, they're not really looking for this particular skill set. Well,
Speaker 1: and Scientology, I don't know a lot. I've done very
Speaker 1: minimal investigation into scientology, but they seem to do some
Speaker 1: kind of strange things, So in a way, I could
Speaker 1: see them being the perpetrators here. But I don't get
Speaker 1: why that that that they're not looking for people who
Speaker 1: can solve puzzles and do cryptology. I mean, Scientology has
Speaker 1: done some very off the rails kind of things. Are
Speaker 1: you aware that they massively infiltrated the US government? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They did, yeah, big time, especially the I R. S U. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's not the kind of thing where crypto cryptological
Speaker 1: skills and puzzle solving is really unnecessary thing. I don't
Speaker 1: think it looking for people with the skill set. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that the thing that's interesting about scientology, right,
Speaker 1: and the reason that this kind of crops up in
Speaker 1: in this sort of theories is these sort of theories,
Speaker 1: these sort of theories, is that honestly, like we don't
Speaker 1: know what Scientology is doing, Like we don't know what
Speaker 1: they actually actually don't know what they're endgaming. We do
Speaker 1: know one thing about what they're doing, which is that
Speaker 1: they're not doing very well. Well they have their membership
Speaker 1: has collapsed, you know. I think the interesting thing on
Speaker 1: that is that like that yes, from what we can from,
Speaker 1: but who knows, Like maybe this is them like me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they are like an actual real world
Speaker 1: secret organization. Maybe you're a Scientologist, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: might be. You don't know. Google is the next one,
Speaker 1: And I actually kind of like this theory a little
Speaker 1: bit that like it's a Google or Facebook. Well, the
Speaker 1: great thing about it is that is that the people
Speaker 1: that are trying to solve the puzzle are going to
Speaker 1: be going to Google a lot, doing a lot of Googling,
Speaker 1: so it's good for their business. Yeah. No, I think
Speaker 1: that Google was, at least for a time looking for
Speaker 1: the most advanced kind of you know, they used to
Speaker 1: do that thing. I think they still do actually where
Speaker 1: they essentially offer somebody like a million bucks or whatever
Speaker 1: if they can find a hole in their security. So
Speaker 1: I would I guess I wouldn't put it past them
Speaker 1: to do something like this, but it would also mean
Speaker 1: that they would have to already have people on staff
Speaker 1: who are capable of creating things like this, which they
Speaker 1: probably do, but they could well well this is a tangent,
Speaker 1: but it makes me think about I just recently read
Speaker 1: a book called Circle. It's by a guy named Dave Eggers,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really interesting, and it's it's about social media,
Speaker 1: and it's set, you know, in the future at some point,
Speaker 1: and there's this organization called the Circle that has replaced
Speaker 1: things like Facebook and Google Plus and all those They've
Speaker 1: all just been kind of subsumed or consumed by this
Speaker 1: one thing. But they're always trying to be on the
Speaker 1: cutting edge and create all these new things, and so
Speaker 1: they go through these weird steps to attract and find people.
Speaker 1: And so I could see a company like Google theoretically,
Speaker 1: well yeah, they might say, hey, you know, Joe has
Speaker 1: this crazy plan to find some really smart people to
Speaker 1: work on this problem that none of our guys have
Speaker 1: been able to figure out. So let's pool everybody and
Speaker 1: then put them together and make this giant puzzle. And
Speaker 1: then the people who solve it might be able to
Speaker 1: solve these other problems that we haven't been able to crack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that case? I don't know, but that's what it
Speaker 1: makes me think of. Yeah, yeah, and I could be.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you're somebody like Google. You you want
Speaker 1: to look for people who think outside the box and
Speaker 1: definitely just solve the puzzles that we saw here that
Speaker 1: you've seen this in this case, you have to be
Speaker 1: able to think outside the box. You can't even live
Speaker 1: in the box, not even close terrorists. I don't Again,
Speaker 1: just like with scientology, I don't get why a terrorist
Speaker 1: organization would do it. Is well, I think it goes
Speaker 1: on the activist kind of side of it, right, less
Speaker 1: than Yeah, not the boots on the ground terrorists, but
Speaker 1: the like breaking into stuff and stealing stuff and wiki
Speaker 1: leaks and stuff like that. But you know, again, this
Speaker 1: is not the skill set that these guys will be
Speaker 1: looking for. They're not looking for people who can. They
Speaker 1: want people who can who can come up with good
Speaker 1: crypto cryptograms and and and code stuff and keep stuff
Speaker 1: off off the radar. But somebody who can actually solve
Speaker 1: the vessel. They don't really care about that. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess I think that the thing about this is that
Speaker 1: I think it's less about the specific skill set and
Speaker 1: more about the perseverance and intelligence and like know how
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that necessarily people are looking
Speaker 1: for people who can crack this sort of stuff. It's
Speaker 1: people that have the like tenacity to even try. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Next aliens aliens. I'm liking
Speaker 1: this one. I don't see a cheap of cobraa on
Speaker 1: there anywhere I want to believe. Ye, it could be
Speaker 1: the alien I mean, it could be aliens trying to
Speaker 1: get in contact, trying to find the smartest among us too. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm finding that one a bit of a stretch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I put it. I put it above scientology, but so
Speaker 1: it's not at the bottom. I'm really trying to come
Speaker 1: up with a plausible reason that aliens would do this.
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. To test our intelligence obviously, to see
Speaker 1: if we have come of age in the age of
Speaker 1: space time. Oh so this is like a starfleet test. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The problem with that is is that the obviously intelligence
Speaker 1: and talent varies widely in the you know, in the
Speaker 1: human community, and I'm sure in an alien race. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's there's people who get to a man the
Speaker 1: starships and go out to the stars and probe our
Speaker 1: minds with the stuff like this. And then there's and
Speaker 1: then there's people who work as janitors back home on
Speaker 1: the home plans. Yeah, and so is there some particular
Speaker 1: reason they want to find the very very smartest human beings. Well,
Speaker 1: the other thing is, let's be honest, if aliens exist,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't, but if they exist, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is, you're presuming the aliens are going to
Speaker 1: be able to understand our way of writing code and
Speaker 1: interacting with the Internet, and their language and technology base,
Speaker 1: I would imagine would be so foreign. It would be
Speaker 1: like me trying to write a computer code that my
Speaker 1: cat could understand. I'm a ruiner, I'm sorry, but I
Speaker 1: think that I think that if there are aliens who
Speaker 1: have infiltrated us, what they've probably done is they've created
Speaker 1: aies who inhabit, who inhabit various places in the Internet
Speaker 1: and the AI s. I mean, obviously, we're we're working
Speaker 1: working on that right now. We haven't gotten there yet.
Speaker 1: The aliens presumably would be better at that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: So you can create an AI that lives on the
Speaker 1: Internet and within the human community matrix, not the matrix necessarily,
Speaker 1: but it is and I am saying an artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: created by the Aliens that lives here on planet Earth
Speaker 1: and basically investigates, snoops upon and provides information to the
Speaker 1: Alien Master Race back on the home planet or circling
Speaker 1: in their starship behind the Moon, whatever they're doing. And
Speaker 1: there could be a bunch of aies for that matter.
Speaker 1: I got I gotta tell you right now, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that there's not an AI on the Internet
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm pretty sure that inadvertently we have come
Speaker 1: up with the best tool to destroy any AI out there.
Speaker 1: Porn videos that rule the Internet, and could you imagine
Speaker 1: Alien Race trying to create an AI, And it's just
Speaker 1: like now the I just like totally addicted to porn
Speaker 1: and cap videos. That's so awesome, the most human AI ever.
Speaker 1: I see the scenes of a great sci fi movie
Speaker 1: script there. So at the end of the theories, I
Speaker 1: still haven't too much fun with that. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: do like that, but I but I still want to
Speaker 1: throw in my last my theory which I touched upon earlier,
Speaker 1: which I said it could actually have been one guy
Speaker 1: who had who had colleagues in various places to help
Speaker 1: him out, who was trying to make himself look really
Speaker 1: smart and man, really creative, and so you put the
Speaker 1: puzzles out there and then solved them, and then and
Speaker 1: then gave some interviews to some journalists and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and no doubt was contacted by the n s A
Speaker 1: or somebody like that and got a high paying job
Speaker 1: out of the deal. Maybe. I don't know, it's hard
Speaker 1: to tell. I don't think there's any any good explanation, Steve,
Speaker 1: do you have a Well, the one thing that I
Speaker 1: will say is I I discount the idea that it
Speaker 1: was done by a government organization. And there's some very
Speaker 1: specific things that make me think that. First of which,
Speaker 1: who is it that's got Kryptos in in front of
Speaker 1: the the c I A. Okay, So they hire some
Speaker 1: dude to make this piece of art, and it is
Speaker 1: a giant puzzle, and they still haven't cracked it. It's
Speaker 1: been there for what I don't need. They've cracked somebody's
Speaker 1: cracked parts of the parts of it, but it's been
Speaker 1: there for years and they still haven't figured it out.
Speaker 1: But we're going to say that the government organization on
Speaker 1: of that quote unquote caliber was able to engineer something
Speaker 1: that's this complex and elegant at the same time. It's
Speaker 1: just they can't crack cryptos, but they can't crack something
Speaker 1: that's at their front. It's a lot easier to create
Speaker 1: a cipher than it is to break a cipher. Well,
Speaker 1: that is true, but I just I look at the
Speaker 1: track record of things like that and go, well, if
Speaker 1: you can't do this one, how does that lead credence
Speaker 1: to you doing that one. That's That's that's what hinders
Speaker 1: me from getting behind that theory. I guess I'll say.
Speaker 1: One more thing is that I think a kind of
Speaker 1: like a new world order society. The thing is not
Speaker 1: the worst theory I've ever heard. You know, there's some
Speaker 1: murmurings of the number three, three oh three. Actually I
Speaker 1: think three is not a prime numbers by three who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but one refers to like the third century in which
Speaker 1: this new world order of like peace and whatever will
Speaker 1: come to be. I don't know. I mean, maybe it
Speaker 1: is time travelers. There's so many it could be literally anything,
Speaker 1: because we know literally nothing about any of this anyways,
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