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Speaker 1: Hello, we are looking for highly intelligent individuals. To find them,

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Speaker 1: we have devised a test. There is a message hidden

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Speaker 1: in this image. Find it and it will lead you

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Speaker 1: on the road to finding us. We look forward to

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Speaker 1: meeting the few that will make it all the way through.

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Speaker 1: Good Lucke. Thinking Sideways, I don't understand you never know

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Speaker 1: stories of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, everyone,

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Speaker 1: it's Thinking Sideways the podcast. Like usual, I'm Devin, joined

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Speaker 1: by Steve and Joe. So yeah, let's just go for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing? Yeah, obviously I'm sweet, definitely not

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Speaker 1: solving this mystery. This is actual, Lea, Steve, this is

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Speaker 1: one of the mysteries you're gonna hate that. Actually, there's

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Speaker 1: this quote about this mystery. It's uh it says that, um,

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Speaker 1: not all mysteries are solvable, but prize comes in the pursuit,

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Speaker 1: And I know you hate those ones where like there's

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Speaker 1: not an actual answer or anything. Yeah, So tonight we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about cicada or cicada, depending on you

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Speaker 1: say the name of that insect. Let's just call it.

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Speaker 1: Let's just cicada. Cicada is how I say it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry if that you guys Cicada three three one,

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Speaker 1: which is let's just talk about it. You're not even

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Speaker 1: going to do a preamble ready, Yeah. On January and

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Speaker 1: image was posted to four chan, which is the best

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Speaker 1: way to get your stuff out there. It was on

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Speaker 1: the slash x thread. I guess I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't really use four chan, so I don't actually know

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Speaker 1: what they call that anyways, proving our ignorance yet again.

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Speaker 1: The message that we put in the beginning, before we

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Speaker 1: even introduced ourselves, that was attached to an image that

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Speaker 1: was essentially led to a series of clues of basically

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Speaker 1: one more impossible than the next to solve, which led

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Speaker 1: to who knows what, because everybody who solved this mystery

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Speaker 1: or the puzzles, the set of puzzles, is essentially Internet

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Speaker 1: silent at this point. There's one person who said that

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Speaker 1: they solved it, but when you read every interview with them,

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Speaker 1: they say they solved it up until it went into

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Speaker 1: part of the solving it anymore. And there are some

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Speaker 1: people there's a lot of groups on the Internet that

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Speaker 1: are they are chats and forums and all that stuff

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Speaker 1: that worked together to solve it. But we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the puzzle, so it'll become apparent. But there's

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Speaker 1: only a select few people who have actually probably solved it.

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Speaker 1: There's no confirmation that those people act really exist, that

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Speaker 1: the solvers were actually chosen or whatever. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: one of the ground rules from zero one that you

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because they do kind of say that, but

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Speaker 1: also many of the clues are are literally unsolvable unless

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Speaker 1: people from around the world come together. So let's we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the set of puzzles that came

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Speaker 1: about from the first round of these in two thousand twelve, primarily,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to walk through that. You guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna hear me talking a lot. It's super interesting, though,

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Speaker 1: listen to my words, the way did you solve the puzzle?

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Speaker 1: I definitely did not solve the puzzle. I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even bother to try. No. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: funny thing about the question of one person doing it

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Speaker 1: posting comments in there. Yeah, you don't, you don't know,

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Speaker 1: google how to you know what for whatever. Anyways, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: find a messages embedded INFLUD. We're going to talk a

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Speaker 1: lot um now that we've trampled all over your train

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Speaker 1: it's a picture in a message, right, it starts out

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Speaker 1: There's good documentation of it two thousand thirteen. There's better

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Speaker 1: And the span of these puzzles is like a month,

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Speaker 1: think that that's there's so much other stuff that goes

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Speaker 1: not sure that's pounced at photography or something better know

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Speaker 1: like telephone poles that had just printed paper with a

427
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: picture of a cicada with a QR code beneath it,

428
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: which is probably what most people are most familiar with

429
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to this story, that image pictures of that,

430
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, on a telephone pole. There are some that

431
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: were on bus stops, you know, posted in the back.

432
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: The one, the one in Korea from two thousand and

433
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: thirteen was like on the back of like a buff shelter,

434
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: public places, places anybody could get to. Yeah. So so

435
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: this is this kind of in a case to me

436
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: that either three zero one is a big organization like

437
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: m I six or the KGB or whatever, or more

438
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: likely it's a bunch of guys who were like, you know,

439
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: are scattered around the world and connected via Internet, right,

440
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: And that was actually the thing that's that's where I

441
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: was kind of going with it, was that it made

442
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: people realize that this wasn't just like one loan dude

443
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: sitting in his basement, that this was a far reaching

444
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: network that actually had to have some resources. You know,

445
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: they had this phone number, but you can hear I

446
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: think we've probably edited out the like redial redirect in

447
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: the video, but you can hear when they when you

448
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: called that phone number, you dial the phone number and

449
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: then it redirects to another phone number and then you

450
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: get the message. They hosted numerous websites. You know, it's anonymously.

451
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: It's not just hosting it because it's easy to buy.

452
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: We know firsthand it's easy to just buy a domain

453
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: and host something on it, but to do that anonymously

454
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: is less easy. And sure you can hack a thing

455
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: and find whatever, but to get your specific U r

456
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: L specific everything, you know, that's that's it requires resources. Yeah,

457
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: and so this also was when people realized that they

458
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: had to work together because there was no way that

459
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: people were going to be able to get to all

460
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: these places short of having their own private jet and

461
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: also a lot of permissions around the world to just

462
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: fly in wherever, whenever, because there was this feeling of

463
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: you know that the whole first part of this had

464
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: taken four days. You know, who knows how long the

465
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: time stamp on these QR codes was. And but also

466
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, who knows how long that piece of paper

467
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: is going to last exactly? Yeah, And I guess, I

468
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: guess it's interesting because we're about to read the two messages.

469
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: There were two messages that were turned from the QR codes.

470
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: There are two separate ones from many of the different

471
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 1: QR code's in which three three oh one kind of

472
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: admonishes people for being followers not solvers on this specific puzzle,

473
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: because I just I think it's interesting because this clue

474
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: necessitates people working together so much. The two different codes

475
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: that you could find were in twenty nine volumes. Knowledge

476
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: was once contained how many lines of code remained when

477
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: the mab mab magnodon mamadozan pause, go for that far

478
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: in the beginning and find my first name. And then

479
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: there was a string of numbers similar to the ones

480
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: that we found in the previous with the you know,

481
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: two sets of numbers looking like a cipher. You've shared

482
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: too much at this point. We want the best, not

483
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: the followers. Thus the first few there will receive the

484
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: prize good luck through three O one admonishment for the followers. Right.

485
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: In fact, Cicada one the group three one are are

486
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: the people who coined the term followers. I did not

487
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: originally catch that. Yeah, that's the first time you see

488
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: that actually crop up up in anything. They're really directing

489
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I don't know if that's

490
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: intentional or not, but that's definitely a lot of power

491
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: and it will be just to do you know what

492
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I think I think that it would

493
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: be hard to say that they were not aware of

494
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: what they're doing. It is, you know, this is part puzzle,

495
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: part social experiment, and that's I think the thing that

496
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: creeps people at the most about it. But let's read

497
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: what happened what the next one was to the other

498
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: QR code, since that's what we were talking about before

499
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: we went on a tiny little side track there read

500
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: a poema fading death, named for a king, meant to

501
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: be read only once, then vanished alas it could not

502
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: remain unseen. Numbers again, you share too much of this point.

503
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: We want the best, not the followers. Thus the first

504
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: few there will receive the prize. Good luck three one

505
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: book codes obviously they Steve is making a face like,

506
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't understand how it's obvious. Listen,

507
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: the numbers are the code, right, but the little refrains

508
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: the poems in front of it, our descriptions of the book.

509
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: Both of them put together our descriptions of the book. Okay,

510
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: and Agrippa also a Greek philosopher or some famous Greek guy.

511
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: Is it also refers to this book. It's called Agrippa

512
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: a Book of the Dead, which was banned. It's by

513
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: William Gibson, I think it was. It came out and

514
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: in fact, interesting fun facts about this book. It was

515
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: only ever released on a three point five floppy disc

516
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: program to encrypt itself after after a single use it

517
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: read is a one itself. Yeah, this is like the

518
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Inspector gadget thing. This message will self destructed. They're using

519
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: this cipher that's right, that is, But what do you

520
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: think about it? It's like, you know, it's how many

521
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: people are going to know the existence of this book

522
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: and the fact that it goes away after the first

523
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: reading and can't be reviewed again, not many and then

524
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I suspect that at this point, you know,

525
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: it's on Google Books or like somebody's upload a PDF

526
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: of it or something, right, you know, by two thou twelve,

527
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: it's not like, really you had to go find your

528
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: three point five floppy drive and go find an old

529
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: copy of it or whatever. That's you know, the timeline

530
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: of the solving of this does not lead to that.

531
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure it exists somewhere on the internet. I have

532
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: not done my research to prove that it has exists

533
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: on the internet, but I'm just gonna everything else doesn't exist. Yeah,

534
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: of course it does. Yeah, anyways, it led to a

535
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: tour you or all you guys know what torres, right,

536
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: The Onion onions, the one that the dark the dark Web. Yeah,

537
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: the Tor project. It's an Onion network. It's basically anonymous.

538
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: It is anonymous. Actually, it's an onion network refers to

539
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: you guys are watching my hand right now, refers to

540
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: layers upon layers upon layers. Essentially, what an Onion network

541
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: will do is once you log into it, it masks

542
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: your i SP address in so many different layers. It

543
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: just pings you all around. It is a thing on

544
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: which you can access things that you cannot access any

545
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: other way. The Silk Road is a great example of it.

546
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: We just talked about. Anonymous makes great use of it.

547
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: Most hackers make great use of it. It's also free,

548
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: open source. If you feel like just playing around on

549
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: the dark web, you can download it and use it immediately.

550
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Not condoning that, but do whatever you want to do. Yeah,

551
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: it's like that's one of those things you know, you don't.

552
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: You probably don't want to do that because who knows

553
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: that probably give some nar do well back door access

554
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: in your computer when you run that. So I just think, yeah,

555
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't, but don't do it anyways. You'll see things

556
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: that cannot be unseen. Let's leave it at that. Let's

557
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: let's leave it at that. The tour site was a

558
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: message that read congratulations, Please create a new email address

559
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: with a public, free web based service once you've it

560
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: says once you've never used before. That's why I keep

561
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: stumbling on it. It means one you've never used before. Obviously,

562
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: we recommend you do this while still using tour for anonymity.

563
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: We will email you a number within the next few days,

564
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: in order of which you arrived at this page. Once

565
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: you've received it, come back to this page and append

566
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: the slash then the number you received this u r L.

567
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: For example, if you're saved this number, then you would

568
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: go to http colin slash slash the U r L

569
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: of the tour added dot onions slash the number that

570
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: you receive. That makes sense, you guys. I know you

571
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: guys are looking at it. I know that our listeners

572
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: are not looking at Any way to think about it

573
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: is there's a web address www dot Google dot com,

574
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: slash number, and then you would insert your number after

575
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, slash Google, slash inner your number, and that

576
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: would take you somewhere else. Yeah. This is uh, this

577
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: is where the brake comes. Actually the brake, the brake

578
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: we were talking about the brake earlier. This is where

579
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: followers stop being able to follow because it's the interesting

580
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: three three oh one starts emailing only specific people, specific instructions. Now,

581
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: what happened in two thousand twelve is interesting. Everybody who

582
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: received this email, everybody that people generally except were the

583
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: solvers in two twelve, you know, probably got the everything right,

584
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: sent the right email, all that stuff disappears off the

585
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: interne at this point, at least with the handles that

586
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: they were using at their activity. Their activity drops off,

587
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: which is to be expected. I think if you are

588
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: granted access to the inner sanctum of a group like

589
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: three through one, you're probably gonna go dark. Even if

590
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: it's just that handle that you were using, you're probably

591
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna go dark. Except for this one dude who's a ruiner.

592
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: And he's definitely that kid who cheated when you played

593
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: like heads Up seven Up as a kid, Like he

594
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: like saw your shoes and he was like, oh, I

595
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: know it was you. You know that guy. You guys

596
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: know that guy. I know that guy. But I don't

597
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: know what heads up seven up is. You don't know

598
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: what heads up seven up is? Oh man, okay something

599
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: for another episode. It doesn't matter anyways, So none of

600
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: this is verifiable. And he was the lucky few they

601
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: trusted him, and he's a jerk and an awful human being.

602
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: And I cannot stress enough how annoyed I am, but

603
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: also how happy I am that he mirrored and screen

604
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: capped and copy pasted onto many different websites the email

605
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: he received from three three oh one. What was the email. Well,

606
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that right now. The email

607
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: was a final clue, while it was instructions on a

608
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: final clue essentially, and it was an r s A puzzle.

609
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: You guys have so much googling to do. I'm so sorry.

610
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to explain what an r s

611
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: A puzzle is. It's the except for to say that

612
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of a fancy online cryptograph basically so complicated.

613
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: In fact, it's so complicated that every single website or

614
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: article that you read about three three oh one at

615
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: this point either like just glosses over the fact that

616
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: an r s A puzzle exists or literally says and

617
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: I quote, if you don't understand how it was solved,

618
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: go ask in a chat room. I am not lying.

619
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: That is how complicated in our essay code is. You

620
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: can't just google it. You can, but then you have

621
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: to read like a Wikipedia page that's like really really long, guys.

622
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I promise it's gonna be way easier if you'd like

623
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: feel like you really need to know what it is.

624
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's it's imperative to understand when

625
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: r s A code is to understand. If it's that,

626
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: just go google it or ask in a chat room. Yeah.

627
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: When this code was solved, the solver got a second

628
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: email containing an M I d I puzzle, a MIDI

629
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: puzzle if you will, which is audio. Yeah it is.

630
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: And that key to that puzzle was a song. I

631
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: am not lying. This is not the only time they

632
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: did this. I wish I could find this one but

633
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: three three one composed a song and each tone in

634
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: that song corresponds to a letter, which corresponds to a

635
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: word that you then have to decode, which is so

636
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: cool and easy. I can't even deal with it. So now,

637
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: so now each each note then on the on the

638
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: scale was corresponded to a letter. Okay, so and this

639
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: and the song again, the song was the encrypted message,

640
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: or the song was the key the song with the

641
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: encrypted message along with that, y uh, there was another

642
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: song that you had to figure out what it was

643
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: by like a weird also kind of the way that

644
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: people had to figure out what Agrippia or Agrippa was

645
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: just kind of a vague description of the song. They

646
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: found out it was this other song that was actually

647
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: the key to the code that they had found in

648
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: the tones of the song, was it Loving You by

649
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: Mini Ripton? It was not. Thank God. I'm at this point.

650
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: I feel the dumbest I've ever felt my entire life,

651
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: because there's literally no way that I could figure any

652
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: of this out. Ever. Ever, the message that you found

653
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: once you decoded the song, that was super easy to

654
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: figure out that it was tones that corresponded to letters.

655
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: The message was very good. You have proven to be

656
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: the most dedicated to come this far to attain enlightenment.

657
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Create a it says GPG, but it probably means p

658
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: g P key for your email address and upload it

659
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: to the mick key servers. Then encrypted with the following

660
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: word list using the Cicada three three oh one public key.

661
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: Sign it with your key, send the askey armored cipher

662
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: text to the Gmail account from which you received your numbers,

663
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: and your words are And then there was a unique

664
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: list of words for each different solver, like this one

665
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: says garden ball, house, cat, shore head, gallon, and and

666
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: again this we know this because the spoiler there's a ruiner,

667
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: and this the spoiler put this out on the internet. Yeah, okay,

668
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: so messages were sent and no one knows what the

669
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: next part was nobody knows how long it took sa

670
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Kadaree three oh one to reply. All anybody knows is

671
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: that about a month later, February third one posted on

672
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: the aforementioned subreddit. It's still the top message on that subreddit,

673
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: saying that they had found the individuals they were looking

674
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: for and thanks or whatever. They didn't actually say thanks

675
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's a very diplomatic message, but that's what

676
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: they said. That was it for three and sixty six days,

677
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: and we didn't we don't know how many people actually

678
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: solved it. They found who they were looking for, apparently,

679
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: and that's the whole That's another bit of the puzzle, right,

680
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: is that like, for all we know, they found nobody

681
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: exactly exactly in the end, I mean, because because in

682
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: the end, if I recall, right, you went to a

683
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: website and that was like, you know, the Holy Grail,

684
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: and then but if you were and among the first people,

685
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: then they just basically shut the website down. That's that's

686
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: the later year. That was actually the three and sixty

687
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: six days later, Okay, when it started all over again

688
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: in two. It's all just similar puzzles, lots more complex now.

689
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: The first one happened January fourth, jan fifth. The first

690
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: one hit on the fifth of two twelve, so the

691
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: next one is the sixth of January. Because it was okay,

692
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: because it was weird that they bumped in a day. Yeah,

693
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was intentional or time zones. Oh,

694
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: that's okay if that makes sense, possibility. But you know

695
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, I'd like to point out

696
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: the people who are working on these puzzles, they really

697
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: need to get alive. Yeah, I think that's probably fair. Yeah,

698
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: this one had it's a little They also had a

699
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: song in this I'm not I'm obviously not going to

700
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: go into the kind of detail we just went into.

701
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: You you guys don't have to hear my voice for

702
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: another forty hours, But I do want to talk about

703
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: this song because it's very interesting. Uh, we're gonna play

704
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of it at least, maybe Steve will

705
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: be generous to me and like edit the rest of

706
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: it in who knows, we'll see, But here's a little

707
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: bit of it. The music was accompanied by a message

708
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: way Yeah, I like it. I could listen to that

709
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: like all day. There's a hum underneath it that they

710
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: found that they don't totally know what's up with yet,

711
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: but that's fine. A crappy mixture like the one that

712
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: we were using. Yeah, Like, if you listen to all

713
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: of the episodes, we also have a We actually embedded

714
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: that on purpose in anticipation of this episode. The days

715
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: of the background tone. Yeah, listen to the variations of

716
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: the tone. There's a there's a coded message, there is

717
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: go for it. You were terrible. The Instar emergence parable

718
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: one billion, five million, two hundred and seventy seven thousand,

719
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: six hundred and forty one another that many parables there are,

720
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: like the Instar tunneling to the surface. We must shed

721
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: our own circumferences, find the divinity within the emergence, within

722
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: any merge, within any merge. Thank you. I'm just messing.

723
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: It was the numbers. It was the numbers. I got

724
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: confused because I got so excited about the numbers I'm

725
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: about to talk about right now. The song I think

726
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: it's two minutes and forty seven seconds long, which is

727
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: actually a hundred and sixty seven seconds long. Now, Yeah,

728
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I thought I misspoke, but I didn't, And

729
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: the file was saved as seven hundred and sixty one,

730
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: MP three, both prime numbers reversible of each other. They

731
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: call them emmerps, which are prime numbers that are anagrams

732
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: of no no no, which are with that board and

733
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: backwards of each other. An antagram is switching no. An

734
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: anagram is being able to switch the letters around for

735
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: something else. It's a I don't remember, it doesn't matter,

736
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, it doesn't really matter. That number will

737
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: come and play in just a second. We're not going

738
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: to talk a whole lot about it again. The two

739
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: thirteen also saw a Linux based OS only for Cicada.

740
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: That was how they launched it. Uh. They made use

741
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: of Twitter, which was almost literally impossible to solve. One

742
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: guy did it and shared it, but the community as

743
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: a whole was pretty stumped by all of the Twitter

744
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: stuff for like an entire day, which, if you guys

745
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: have learned anything about three three oh one, being stuck

746
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: on one clue for an entire day is like basically

747
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: death in top in the puzzle solving, the puzzles were

748
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: getting more and more complicated, because, you know, the two

749
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: thousand twelve puzzles had become popular and people had been

750
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: talking about the unsolved mystery qualities of it. So once

751
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: this two thirteen puzzle started, there were so many more

752
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: followers or almost solvers sort of, so the puzzles we're

753
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: getting really really complicated. And eventually the solvers revealed two

754
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: files within the original Linux OS that I just like

755
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: totally backhanded mentioned two seconds ago that were called Wisdom

756
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and Folly. Wisdom was exactly the same as Folly, except

757
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: for that it didn't have a file type, which is

758
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: kind of weird. So Wisdom was wisdom. I'm just making

759
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: this up again, as I do with everything. Wisdom dot

760
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: t x T. No, it was just Wisdom was like

761
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: folly dot okay ahead of backwards. Okay, all right, I

762
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: got it. I was just making sure. So so basically

763
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: you had to just like randomly started signing file type

764
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: extensions to it. And both of those were the files

765
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: that contained the real world locations of the QR codes,

766
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: one of which was in Portland, Oregon. And actually, this

767
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: is this is interesting to me. I'm sorry, it's a

768
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: weird little tangent. I plugged the launch student latitude into

769
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: Google Maps to see where it was, street viewed it

770
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: and it's actually leads to a website how hosting storefront

771
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: on Powel Boulevard in Portland in southeast Portland that is

772
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: connected to a coffeehouse that I've been to recently and

773
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: still for some reason has an Internet cafe component to it,

774
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: like it has an old like an old old desktop

775
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: computer attached to like an Ethernet cable. True, which is weird.

776
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Did you check out the telephone pole out in front? No,

777
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: but it's I just think that like I don't. I

778
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: didn't check out on any of the other ones. It

779
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: seems to mostly be just random telephone poles and bus

780
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: stops and stuff. For whatever reason, It's very odd to

781
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: me that that would be the place that they would

782
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: pick to put the one in Portland. But well, I'm

783
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: sure that all of their locations were seemingly random to

784
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: anybody that wasn't in the No fair totally fair again.

785
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: The QR code led to a tour dot onion site,

786
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: which led to the creation of emails for the solvers

787
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: which there were links sent to them by puzzles. Apparently

788
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: that led to there was a little bit of a

789
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: leaker in this one as well. It led to a

790
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: nineteen question questionnaire that started out as multiple choice questions

791
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: with a set of like kind of weird answers that

792
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: were like true false and determinate what will be will

793
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: be no answer, both sort of stuff. There were also

794
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: some questions that were filling your own answer. The quiz

795
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. I mean, it probably doesn't matter. Obviously,

796
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: it matters for the solvers. The interesting bit for us

797
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: is that the site that the quiz was hosted on

798
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: save two cookies to each solver's computer, which were a

799
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven equals and asky code and seven

800
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: and sixty one equals and ask you code. You guys

801
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: remember those numbers. That's fine. So again we have that

802
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: moment where we're just like it again. It's that elegance

803
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: of tying it back into the beginning. So, I mean, really,

804
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: so I get this feeling that what they're doing is

805
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get people who I think I

806
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: mentioned this before. It's it's the very linear and the

807
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: not so linear, and they're trying to weed out the

808
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: people who are thinking very linear and leaving the I

809
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: figured this part out behind and not really exploring everything

810
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: in that clue before they go on to the next bit.

811
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's like those old legend of Zelda

812
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: and stuff used to do that as you'd I know,

813
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: this is weird, but you'd be playing the original legend

814
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: of Zelda and you'll be going through an area and

815
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: you'd see this thing and you think, wow, that was

816
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: really weird. I can't get to it. Oh well, and

817
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: you'd go along and then a couple of levels later

818
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: you'd get the bombs and you had to come back

819
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: with the bomb to get into. I mean, it's just

820
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: like this this weird looping and and stopping people from

821
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: just rushing forward instead of exploring the whole thing. Yeah,

822
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: it's like I guess that for me, it would be

823
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of like the portal to train where you can

824
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: go through and like just do all the missions, but

825
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: you missed this entire like side story if you like

826
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: don't explore all the areas. And I think that that's

827
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty significant that like they're these little like easter

828
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: eggs almost hidden throughout, but also speaks of something that's

829
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: very well planned. It's not like, you know, they just decide, oh,

830
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: or we'll do it again maybe and then we'll like

831
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: figure it out from there. It's so elegantly planned, so

832
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: everything has a purpose and a meaning yeah, So to

833
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: get back to the strings of so called ASKY code

834
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: or those in plain text, were they unencrypted or were

835
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: they encrypted? There were cookies, I don't I don't know

836
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: they were just I don't think you can encrypt a cookie. Well,

837
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean what I mean is, so if it's a

838
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: string of ASKI code, then that represents letters and numbers. Correct.

839
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: And so did anybody you know, decipher the asking to

840
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: figure out what if there was a message there? No,

841
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: because there were instructions. I mean, it just kind of

842
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: continued to go on. I don't think that anybody tried

843
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: to decode it, or if they did, they didn't find anything.

844
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: This is my understanding of it, and I could be wrong.

845
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: The solvers were after that, asked to create a server

846
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: of their very own, with a lot of very specific

847
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: protocols that include a stipulation that if a user returned

848
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: a false something that it had to elegantly sign off

849
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: greeting or something like that. I mean, it's just it

850
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: was very complex. It was definitely targeted to weed out

851
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: the lazy people and the followers and only get the

852
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: solvers got it. That was it. I think it was

853
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: like two weeks after that they they said that had

854
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: to be created by February third, and then two weeks

855
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: after February three, the servers started to get pinged, and

856
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: that was the last thing anybody heard, or that's the

857
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: last week. That's the last that anybody who's around still

858
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: talk about it, or is still talking about it, heard

859
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: how many servers were talking about here a lot. I

860
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if anybody knows the exact number,

861
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: because they're all user created, and it's totally possible that

862
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: somebody was figuring out these puzzles on their own and

863
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: never said anything to anybody anyways. And then again in

864
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, this time they launched their puzzles with Twitter,

865
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: and as I said before, I'm not totally sure that

866
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: it's been solved. And there's some argument as to whether

867
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: or not it's a legitimate three three oh one recruitment

868
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: or not. So many things, is an impostor yeah, you know,

869
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: launched on Twitter slightly different all you know, a lot

870
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: of people are thinking impossible. But the Twitter handle that

871
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: was used in twenty two launch was also the same

872
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: Twitter handle that was used very briefly in and that handle,

873
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: if I correct me, if I'm wrong, but after he

874
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: did whatever it did in the beginning of just what

875
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: silent and just no activity, and suddenly it came to

876
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: life again. That's true. I will say Twitter not the

877
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: most secure thing. Um. Also, there is some kind of

878
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: speculation about ten maybe not being real. I think two

879
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: thirteen was probably real. I think that there's a lot

880
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: of stuff that went into that that three three oh

881
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: one it would have been too much work for any

882
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: person to recreate. But two fourteen it's hard to tell.

883
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: But really, I mean, the other big question are really

884
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: the big question here right now that we've talked about

885
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: all these puzzles, You're welcome, everybody is who the heck

886
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: is cicada? Three three oh one? M M. I guess

887
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that are like interesting. The

888
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: only one of which that I really want to talk

889
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: about is the fact that cicada, the word cicada is

890
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: in it in itself a prime word. What do you

891
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? Well, so we were

892
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: just talking about anagram's right word that you can make

893
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: using the letters of any other word, uh, and you can't.

894
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: Cicada is literally the only word that you can make

895
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: with those letters. In English. Well, yeah, okay, in English. Yeah,

896
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: but they don't call themselves cicada, right, They just put

897
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: up a picture of a cicada or what appears to

898
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: be a cicada, but which is not necessarily a cicada. Yeah,

899
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: but it's still interesting. I think it's still interesting. They

900
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: associate themselves with that animal and in English cicada. And

901
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: that's a It's a prime word, as is three three

902
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: oh one is also a prime number. Right, So there's

903
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: a prime quality that is fairly interesting, um, including the

904
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: fact that three three oh one not only is a

905
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: prime number, but if you add all the digits together,

906
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: it creates a prime number, which is seven. Interesting, I

907
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: guess a little bit. I don't know. I don't know

908
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: enough about math to know if all prime numbers are

909
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: if you add them up they return prime numbers or not.

910
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that they do, not necessarily, but cicada.

911
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: But if you add them up, there's there's six letters

912
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: in the word though, right, yes, you say they add

913
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: up to seven. No, three three oh one, Okay, misunderstood.

914
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: That is a bit confusing. And of course, the thing

915
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: about primes is they are indivisible. In other words, their

916
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: individual because an individual is someone who cannot be divided down.

917
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: So in the sense, and then of course these guys

918
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: they're slogan is of course they're all about individualism, privacy, freedom,

919
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and security. So you guys want

920
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the like big bulk theories of there's

921
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: no I was talking to Steve earlier and like, we're

922
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: just gonna like say some stuff like people say, hey,

923
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: it could be this person or could be that person.

924
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: There's literally no evidence to suggest any of it. We're

925
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: just going to say some stuff. That's literally how we're

926
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: going to do theories is I'm just going to say, oh,

927
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: it could be these people, but who knows. And then

928
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, or it could be these people and

929
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: who knows. Yeah, but this is not the whole idea

930
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: of like the intelligence services. And I know that's one

931
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: of the theories that's out there. It's like it's it's

932
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: been done in the past that they even back as

933
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: far as World War Two, I mean the Brits, British

934
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: intelligence was putting crossword puzzles and other things in the papers.

935
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: So the thing that's actually interesting about that for me

936
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: is that the it's we'll just jump into this. The

937
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 1: c I A the n s A M sixteen. I'm sorry, Emma,

938
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: intelligence NOMATIC M I six kgb. People say, oh, it's

939
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: recruitment for them. They model their tests for code breaking

940
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: and ciphers on these codes and ciphers. Sure, government agencies

941
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: can be shady. Absolutely. Could they be creating all of

942
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: these puzzles and ciphers and tests and then saying, oh,

943
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: my gosh, those are so good that we should pub

944
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: locally face create some stuff that is a test like that.

945
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: But they don't. Their their tests aren't as good as these,

946
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: like they're just not. So. Yeah, it could be. It

947
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: could be the government, but I I don't think it is.

948
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: And I also don't think you know, it's like really

949
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: far reaching and kind of it just doesn't seem right

950
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know. Steve's got a eyebrow raised

951
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: face on um, Okay, this is way off the beaten path,

952
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: but that tends to be where I am with these

953
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: kind of stories, and I just hang out in the weeds.

954
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list of possible whoever is making

955
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: these and the thing that I tie together and and

956
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: bear with because I'm going to kind of trample through

957
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: this a little bit on Alright, So we've talked about

958
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: government agencies. The other ones that I see here are

959
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: anonymous Illuminati scientologists, which is hilarious, Google, terrorists, organizations, and

960
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: aliens and aliens, but aliens know how to use Twitter.

961
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: Is that I mean, that's that's just kind of a

962
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: snapshot of the organization. And I'm wondering if maybe we're

963
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: not making a huge air is when we're trying to

964
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: figure this out of presuming that this is made by

965
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: a group. And what I mean by that is the

966
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: puzzle is made by a group of very intelligent people

967
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: working together, very clever people working together. As I look

968
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: at some of these things, I mean we talked about

969
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: the prime numbers are always tied in and there's a

970
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: lot of serious math and a lot of serious codes.

971
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: Prime no. But I wish it was um Now, what

972
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm looking at is I'm wondering if it

973
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: isn't that a savant of some kind. In other words,

974
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: let's just say that there is one person we'll just

975
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: call them the Sherlock Holmes of puzzles, that hyper intelligent

976
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: person who figures this out and just for a year

977
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: because This is how folks that think that way. They

978
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: just get so focused and they just work on these things,

979
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: and then somebody else is helping them to publicize and

980
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: to put it out and put it in all its locations.

981
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: But it could be a single individual. Do I think

982
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: it is not likely? I think some helpers. I think

983
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: that's that's underlings. Let's just say that. So, so we've

984
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: got we've got, you know, the super smart guy, and

985
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: then he's got his minions, and his minions are going

986
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: about and putting up the signs in South Korea or

987
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: where or Portland or wherever they are. I guess that

988
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: one person is doing I just the question for that is,

989
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: like to what end? You know? The reason that people

990
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: do the whole group thing that think it's a group

991
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: is that it's a recruitment, right that. That's how people

992
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: make sense of this, is that because it actually kind

993
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: of publicly says, right, hey, we're recruiting a lot of

994
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: really intelligent people, and you have to prove your intelligence

995
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: to even like be granted primary access to us. And

996
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: for one person who's a savant, like, what the what

997
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: the endgame there is? Is it just because they want

998
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: to like interact with other smart people, well their societies

999
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: for that, there groups for that. There's no need to

1000
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: like do this and like have the underlings who somehow

1001
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: are like being totally silent, because as we've learned, there

1002
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: are ruiners everywhere, more than one, you know, pretty much

1003
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: always get busted open. But yeah, I wonder if you

1004
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: know there's there's there's a certain level with things where

1005
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: people make extremely hard puzzles. Is they want to prove

1006
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: that they are so good at doing it, that they

1007
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: make it so well that nobody can figure out. Those

1008
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: people are generally so prideful that like after that first year,

1009
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: we would they would have been like, hey, guys, guess

1010
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: what I did this, but nobody figured it out. I

1011
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: did it, or at least maybe you know the fact

1012
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: that it has continued on you guys. I'm not disagreeing

1013
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: with you guys, but I think there's another way of

1014
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: looking at it too, which is a reverse and that

1015
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: it's not a recruitment program and it's it's it's actually

1016
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: a resume. So let's suppose you want to catch the

1017
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: eye of the N s A and you want them

1018
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: to hire you. So and there was there was one

1019
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: or two persons out there, Like there was one guy

1020
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: who actually was interviewed for a fairly lengthy article about

1021
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: his participation in this whole thing and how he solved

1022
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: all this stuff and everything. So he was the one

1023
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: who like went up to the break and was like, yeah,

1024
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: I totally solved it. But actually he like he actually

1025
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: created the whole thing and solved it and didn't really

1026
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: solve it because he already knew that he already needs

1027
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: the solutions to it. And this is a way of

1028
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: looking at making himself appear to be incredibly uber smart

1029
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: potential employers and not just It's really interesting is that,

1030
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: Like when I read that article, I was just kind

1031
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: of like, you don't know that the guy actually did anything? Yeah,

1032
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't super impressed with his abilities. I

1033
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: guess no. I mean as far as those leaked emails,

1034
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: you don't even know if those things were real. Yeah, yeah,

1035
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: there's no id there's no chance that you just don't

1036
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: know it could have been. That's a great point, could

1037
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: have been a red herring. Well, and that's why we

1038
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: say we you know is your experts and three one

1039
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: and that's why that there's that break, right, is that

1040
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: you can say, up until this point, we can publicly

1041
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: verify via you know, screenshots, via many anecdotal evidences, that

1042
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: was the wrong phrasing, and we don't care that these

1043
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: things had happening. There's hard proof of all those things.

1044
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: And at that point, once they switch over to the

1045
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: email stuff, you just take you're just taking on faith

1046
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: that like that existed. You don't actually know. But yeah, anyway,

1047
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: emails may never have actually happened. They were typed up

1048
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: and then screen capped, and yeah, they never really or

1049
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: not even I mean, or it was just somebody who

1050
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: was like crap, like I wasn't smart enough to get

1051
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: the email, like I better fake it and make people

1052
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: think that I leaked it, and that's why I got

1053
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: like shut out or whatever. You know that there is

1054
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: no way to know. There's no way to know that

1055
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: once you created your server, once you create your email.

1056
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: Didn't the guy who, as you refer to him, the ruiner,

1057
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: the ruiner, didn't the ruiner suddenly start saying didn't he

1058
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: take down the stuff that he had put up? And

1059
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of backtracked a lot on what he did? Am

1060
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: I incorrect and remembering it that way? I don't remember

1061
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: that I thought that there was something about he put

1062
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: some stuff up and then publicity came his way and

1063
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: suddenly like sort of changed his tools. He put stuff up,

1064
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: and then there was a second set of emails that

1065
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: was sent out to a lot of people apparently that

1066
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: essentially it was, well, there was a change to that

1067
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: initial like website that said we're going to send out emails,

1068
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 1: but said we're going to sound out a second round

1069
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: of emails because y'all are ruiners. Everything that we sent

1070
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: out no longer works. You have to do it again, essentially.

1071
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: But I don't remember him like backtrack, and I may

1072
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: have just inferred in the way that I read it,

1073
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: but I thought that he kind of backtracked and changed

1074
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: his tow and almost like whoever was in contact with

1075
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: him got in contact with him saying, uh, nude screwed

1076
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: up and if you don't fix this, I'm going to

1077
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: break your legs. Kind of yeah, yeah, do you guys

1078
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about some more of the people that

1079
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: already listen? Ye? The next group is anonymous, And I

1080
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: think there is no need for Anonymous to do something

1081
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: like this every day from just like super mundane hackers

1082
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: like and that this is not the skill This is

1083
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: not the skill set they're looking for. Well, and it

1084
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: may be, but it doesn't matter because like they have,

1085
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: they don't need to be recruiting like this. They have

1086
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: so many like fanboys just like crying to be a

1087
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: part of them, that are talented enough. Probably, I'm sure,

1088
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure of it. Yeah, No, I mean I think that,

1089
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: like that's the whole thing is like Anonymous has enough

1090
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: popularity they don't have like this they can weed people

1091
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: out of. It doesn't fit their m Yeah that's at all.

1092
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't I don't see them going this way. Yeah,

1093
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't fit their mo except to say that they

1094
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: kind of like that, like the elegance sort of thing,

1095
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: and they do kind of oftentimes. Some of the quotes

1096
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 1: the emails some members of Anonymous talk that way. But

1097
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: also to say that Anonymous is like a single minded

1098
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: hive mind is the most inaccurate thing I've ever heard

1099
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: in my entire life. It's not this is so like

1100
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: pointed and driven that uh yeah, I just know. Okay,

1101
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: the Illuminati, who we don't even know really exists, but

1102
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: they do, and they would have the resources for this

1103
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: next scientology. That's how much credit I'm going to give

1104
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: the Illuminati sorry everything. Yeah, actually, I know you really

1105
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: want us to talk about the Illuminati at some point, yeah,

1106
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: will maybe so. Scientology I don't quite understand. Again, I think,

1107
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: like anonymous, they're not really looking for this particular skill set. Well,

1108
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: and Scientology, I don't know a lot. I've done very

1109
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: minimal investigation into scientology, but they seem to do some

1110
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 1: kind of strange things, So in a way, I could

1111
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: see them being the perpetrators here. But I don't get

1112
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: why that that that they're not looking for people who

1113
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: can solve puzzles and do cryptology. I mean, Scientology has

1114
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: done some very off the rails kind of things. Are

1115
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: you aware that they massively infiltrated the US government? Yeah?

1116
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: They did, yeah, big time, especially the I R. S U. Yeah,

1117
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: but that's not the kind of thing where crypto cryptological

1118
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: skills and puzzle solving is really unnecessary thing. I don't

1119
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: think it looking for people with the skill set. I mean,

1120
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: I think that the thing that's interesting about scientology, right,

1121
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: and the reason that this kind of crops up in

1122
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: in this sort of theories is these sort of theories,

1123
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: these sort of theories, is that honestly, like we don't

1124
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: know what Scientology is doing, Like we don't know what

1125
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: they actually actually don't know what they're endgaming. We do

1126
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: know one thing about what they're doing, which is that

1127
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: they're not doing very well. Well they have their membership

1128
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: has collapsed, you know. I think the interesting thing on

1129
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: that is that like that yes, from what we can from,

1130
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: but who knows, Like maybe this is them like me,

1131
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, they are like an actual real world

1132
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: secret organization. Maybe you're a Scientologist, I don't know, I

1133
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: might be. You don't know. Google is the next one,

1134
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: And I actually kind of like this theory a little

1135
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: bit that like it's a Google or Facebook. Well, the

1136
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: great thing about it is that is that the people

1137
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: that are trying to solve the puzzle are going to

1138
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: be going to Google a lot, doing a lot of Googling,

1139
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: so it's good for their business. Yeah. No, I think

1140
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: that Google was, at least for a time looking for

1141
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: the most advanced kind of you know, they used to

1142
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,439
Speaker 1: do that thing. I think they still do actually where

1143
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: they essentially offer somebody like a million bucks or whatever

1144
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: if they can find a hole in their security. So

1145
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: I would I guess I wouldn't put it past them

1146
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: to do something like this, but it would also mean

1147
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: that they would have to already have people on staff

1148
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: who are capable of creating things like this, which they

1149
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: probably do, but they could well well this is a tangent,

1150
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: but it makes me think about I just recently read

1151
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: a book called Circle. It's by a guy named Dave Eggers,

1152
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,879
Speaker 1: and it's it's really interesting, and it's it's about social media,

1153
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: and it's set, you know, in the future at some point,

1154
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: and there's this organization called the Circle that has replaced

1155
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: things like Facebook and Google Plus and all those They've

1156
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: all just been kind of subsumed or consumed by this

1157
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: one thing. But they're always trying to be on the

1158
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: cutting edge and create all these new things, and so

1159
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: they go through these weird steps to attract and find people.

1160
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: And so I could see a company like Google theoretically,

1161
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: well yeah, they might say, hey, you know, Joe has

1162
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: this crazy plan to find some really smart people to

1163
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: work on this problem that none of our guys have

1164
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: been able to figure out. So let's pool everybody and

1165
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: then put them together and make this giant puzzle. And

1166
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: then the people who solve it might be able to

1167
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: solve these other problems that we haven't been able to crack. Yeah,

1168
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: is that case? I don't know, but that's what it

1169
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: makes me think of. Yeah, yeah, and I could be.

1170
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you're somebody like Google. You you want

1171
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: to look for people who think outside the box and

1172
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: definitely just solve the puzzles that we saw here that

1173
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: you've seen this in this case, you have to be

1174
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: able to think outside the box. You can't even live

1175
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: in the box, not even close terrorists. I don't Again,

1176
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: just like with scientology, I don't get why a terrorist

1177
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: organization would do it. Is well, I think it goes

1178
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: on the activist kind of side of it, right, less

1179
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: than Yeah, not the boots on the ground terrorists, but

1180
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: the like breaking into stuff and stealing stuff and wiki

1181
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: leaks and stuff like that. But you know, again, this

1182
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: is not the skill set that these guys will be

1183
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: looking for. They're not looking for people who can. They

1184
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: want people who can who can come up with good

1185
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,799
Speaker 1: crypto cryptograms and and and code stuff and keep stuff

1186
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: off off the radar. But somebody who can actually solve

1187
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: the vessel. They don't really care about that. Well, I

1188
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: guess I think that the thing about this is that

1189
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: I think it's less about the specific skill set and

1190
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: more about the perseverance and intelligence and like know how

1191
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that necessarily people are looking

1192
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: for people who can crack this sort of stuff. It's

1193
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: people that have the like tenacity to even try. I

1194
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Next aliens aliens. I'm liking

1195
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: this one. I don't see a cheap of cobraa on

1196
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: there anywhere I want to believe. Ye, it could be

1197
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: the alien I mean, it could be aliens trying to

1198
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: get in contact, trying to find the smartest among us too. Yeah. Yeah,

1199
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: I'm finding that one a bit of a stretch. Yeah,

1200
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: I put it. I put it above scientology, but so

1201
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: it's not at the bottom. I'm really trying to come

1202
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: up with a plausible reason that aliens would do this.

1203
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. To test our intelligence obviously, to see

1204
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: if we have come of age in the age of

1205
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: space time. Oh so this is like a starfleet test. Yeah. Yeah.

1206
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: The problem with that is is that the obviously intelligence

1207
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: and talent varies widely in the you know, in the

1208
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: human community, and I'm sure in an alien race. I'm

1209
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: sure there's there's people who get to a man the

1210
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: starships and go out to the stars and probe our

1211
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: minds with the stuff like this. And then there's and

1212
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: then there's people who work as janitors back home on

1213
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: the home plans. Yeah, and so is there some particular

1214
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: reason they want to find the very very smartest human beings. Well,

1215
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: the other thing is, let's be honest, if aliens exist,

1216
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't, but if they exist, okay, Well,

1217
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: the thing is, you're presuming the aliens are going to

1218
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: be able to understand our way of writing code and

1219
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: interacting with the Internet, and their language and technology base,

1220
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: I would imagine would be so foreign. It would be

1221
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: like me trying to write a computer code that my

1222
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: cat could understand. I'm a ruiner, I'm sorry, but I

1223
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: think that I think that if there are aliens who

1224
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: have infiltrated us, what they've probably done is they've created

1225
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: aies who inhabit, who inhabit various places in the Internet

1226
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: and the AI s. I mean, obviously, we're we're working

1227
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: working on that right now. We haven't gotten there yet.

1228
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: The aliens presumably would be better at that kind of stuff,

1229
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: So you can create an AI that lives on the

1230
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: Internet and within the human community matrix, not the matrix necessarily,

1231
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 1: but it is and I am saying an artificial intelligence

1232
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: created by the Aliens that lives here on planet Earth

1233
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: and basically investigates, snoops upon and provides information to the

1234
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,919
Speaker 1: Alien Master Race back on the home planet or circling

1235
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: in their starship behind the Moon, whatever they're doing. And

1236
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: there could be a bunch of aies for that matter.

1237
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: I got I gotta tell you right now, I'm I'm

1238
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: pretty sure that there's not an AI on the Internet

1239
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm pretty sure that inadvertently we have come

1240
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: up with the best tool to destroy any AI out there.

1241
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: Porn videos that rule the Internet, and could you imagine

1242
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: Alien Race trying to create an AI, And it's just

1243
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: like now the I just like totally addicted to porn

1244
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: and cap videos. That's so awesome, the most human AI ever.

1245
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: I see the scenes of a great sci fi movie

1246
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 1: script there. So at the end of the theories, I

1247
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: still haven't too much fun with that. I'm sorry, I

1248
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: do like that, but I but I still want to

1249
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: throw in my last my theory which I touched upon earlier,

1250
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: which I said it could actually have been one guy

1251
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: who had who had colleagues in various places to help

1252
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: him out, who was trying to make himself look really

1253
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: smart and man, really creative, and so you put the

1254
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: puzzles out there and then solved them, and then and

1255
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: then gave some interviews to some journalists and stuff like that,

1256
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: and no doubt was contacted by the n s A

1257
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: or somebody like that and got a high paying job

1258
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: out of the deal. Maybe. I don't know, it's hard

1259
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: to tell. I don't think there's any any good explanation, Steve,

1260
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: do you have a Well, the one thing that I

1261
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: will say is I I discount the idea that it

1262
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: was done by a government organization. And there's some very

1263
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: specific things that make me think that. First of which,

1264
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: who is it that's got Kryptos in in front of

1265
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: the the c I A. Okay, So they hire some

1266
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: dude to make this piece of art, and it is

1267
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: a giant puzzle, and they still haven't cracked it. It's

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Speaker 1: been there for what I don't need. They've cracked somebody's

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Speaker 1: cracked parts of the parts of it, but it's been

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Speaker 1: there for years and they still haven't figured it out.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to say that the government organization on

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Speaker 1: of that quote unquote caliber was able to engineer something

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Speaker 1: that's this complex and elegant at the same time. It's

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Speaker 1: just they can't crack cryptos, but they can't crack something

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Speaker 1: that's at their front. It's a lot easier to create

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Speaker 1: a cipher than it is to break a cipher. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is true, but I just I look at the

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: track record of things like that and go, well, if

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Speaker 1: you can't do this one, how does that lead credence

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Speaker 1: to you doing that one. That's That's that's what hinders

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Speaker 1: me from getting behind that theory. I guess I'll say.

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Speaker 1: One more thing is that I think a kind of

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Speaker 1: like a new world order society. The thing is not

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Speaker 1: the worst theory I've ever heard. You know, there's some

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Speaker 1: murmurings of the number three, three oh three. Actually I

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01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: think three is not a prime numbers by three who knows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but one refers to like the third century in which

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Speaker 1: this new world order of like peace and whatever will

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Speaker 1: come to be. I don't know. I mean, maybe it

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Speaker 1: is time travelers. There's so many it could be literally anything,

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Speaker 1: because we know literally nothing about any of this anyways,

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Speaker 1: And that is the best. That's what we're great at

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: is talking about things that we know nothing. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: is this. I think story has gone way too long already.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to check out the links, please

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Speaker 1: visit our website. The website is thinking Sideways podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: While you're there, you can go ahead and just leave

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Speaker 1: us a comment if you'd like, you can listen to

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Speaker 1: our show there if you're there. We have this survey

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Speaker 1: thing that like, I didn't know that we had, but

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Speaker 1: apparently we do. So if you want to take that,

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Speaker 1: that would be super, super awesome and helpful. We would

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01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: love you forever to get a little feedback. It's really

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Speaker 1: easy to find. It's on the right hand side. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's on the right hand side apparently. Uh. If you're

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Speaker 1: not listening to us there, you're probably listening to us

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Speaker 1: on iTunes. If you're listening to us on iTunes, leave

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Speaker 1: us a comments in the reating because we love those.

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Speaker 1: We read them sometimes. I read them, like in bed

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Speaker 1: at night. It was like feeling bad about my work day.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I need validation, so I read them. It's great.

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Speaker 1: Keep them coming. Uh. We have a Facebook. We have

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Speaker 1: We have a Twitter account that you can follow us on.

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Speaker 1: So bad at actually keeping up to dates. But I

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Speaker 1: keep forgetting that on my phone, but I just like,

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Speaker 1: don't check it. I keep forgetting that I even know

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Speaker 1: about twittering. And by the way, if you would all

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Speaker 1: inundate people, Meg is saying demanding that their name Thinking

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Speaker 1: Sideways Podcast the sexiest podcast of the year. It doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: so it came from Joe's brain. Other than that, if

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Speaker 1: you want to talk to us, if you are three

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Speaker 1: three oh one, if you know somebody who's three three

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Speaker 1: oh one, if you're three three zero zero, that's fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two'd like to make the model number. That's fine. We'll

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Speaker 1: hear from you too. That email addresses as always Thinking

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Speaker 1: Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. And I think with that,

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Speaker 1: unless either of you have anything else to add I

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Speaker 1: don't not really, I'm gonna stop talking. Yeah. Now, we

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Speaker 1: will solve this eventually, but it might take another week

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Speaker 1: or two tune in. Yeah, I mean it's not February yet,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, no, it's like a month from when this

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Speaker 1: a month and a half wet little time. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: by then there will be a new one. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: whole idea. Fifteen is coming, Bye guys,