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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 1: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 2: I can't get.

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Speaker 4: Enough of him.

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Speaker 5: I hear that birthnight.

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Speaker 3: Breker.

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Speaker 6: There are a couple of absolutely self involved bullshit artists.

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Speaker 1: Here're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Oh gotta get one more in the can before twenty

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Speaker 3: Good to have you with us.

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Speaker 4: Tuesday, December twenty eight, twenty twenty one, Episode three hundred

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Speaker 4: and thirty sounds like a lot of the antak Em

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Speaker 4: Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 3: You gotta quit or you gotta stay with me?

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Speaker 4: Coming up on the seven year anniversary, so hopefully you'll

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Speaker 4: stick around. What a terrible T shirt you're wearing today?

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Speaker 4: What about come look at this sick dude.

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Speaker 7: First of all, it is Tuesday, right, we're doing the

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Speaker 7: I can't tell you how many messages and dms of

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Speaker 7: getting where's the podcast again? We got away to the

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Speaker 7: wait Listen, the fans are awesome, but we're getting it, guys.

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Speaker 3: It will be up in a little bit.

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Speaker 4: It'll be there and and it's here, and we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk to strengthen Conditioning guru Juan Carlos Santana here

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Speaker 4: coming up in a little bit. He's one of the

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Speaker 4: coaches I work with here at the Institute of Human Performance,

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Speaker 4: also head coach for Heat not head coach head strengthened

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Speaker 4: Conditioning coach for one welterweight contender Gilbert Durino Burns. All right,

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Speaker 4: so our war show is coming up on January tenth.

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Speaker 4: We're going to rifle out the categories today. Knockout of

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Speaker 4: the Year, if you just want to eliminate the category,

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Speaker 4: I'm okay with it. There were so many amazing knockouts,

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Speaker 4: like a dozen of them, right, Like, how do you

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Speaker 4: not nominate Dan Egay against Gavin Tucker.

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Speaker 3: He's not getting any shot, you know.

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Speaker 4: Chris Barnett the spinning wheel kick against John Balante, cutting

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Speaker 4: the categories and we're also going to announce at this

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Speaker 4: time the finalists for our internship sweepstakes in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Drum roll.

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Speaker 4: Please, if you hear your name called right now, fascinating content.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure for the majority of our audience. If you

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Speaker 4: hear your name called right now, that means that you

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Speaker 4: are a finalist, and you will be charged with submitting

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Speaker 4: a forty five second video to Anti Florian Podcast at

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Speaker 4: gmail dot com. You can use we transfer. I truly

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Speaker 4: don't care how you get us this video. You are

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Speaker 4: a finalist, you submit a forty five second video. Only

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Speaker 4: prerequisite is that it's your face and your name, and

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Speaker 4: we will play them all back on the podcast and

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Speaker 4: with the help of the listenership, we will decide who

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Speaker 4: our intern is for next year. As far as the

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Speaker 4: intern's responsibilities can flow. I mean, I don't think they're

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Speaker 4: coming to wax your Porsche in Charlotte, North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Come well, we can.

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Speaker 4: It's a non paid internship you will get a holiday

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Speaker 4: bonus of some kind, whether it's cold hard cash like

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Speaker 3: I should uh maybe if you go ahead. I was

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Speaker 3: hoping for car washes, like getting yeah, cloth clean. You

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Speaker 4: This is a resume builder, hopefully for somebody intern unpaid

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Speaker 4: intern on the Anak and Florian podcast for twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: You can earn a one year extension for twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: three incidentally as well. But basically, you submit the video

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Speaker 4: with your name and your face as to why you

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Speaker 4: You're going to do the standings for Ken and James

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Speaker 4: Kraus for the main event challenge. You can help Cody

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Speaker 4: with some social media stuff i'd imagine as well, and uh,

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Speaker 4: you know you better like Cody Merrow because he's gonna

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Speaker 4: Jake Pearlstein, Colin Say, will Berger, Dallas. I don't know

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Speaker 4: Luke Connell, Jake Temco, Nathan Vent, Michael Falcob, Hayden Boggs,

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Speaker 4: My wife was not having it. Hayden Boggs. I think

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two Internship Sweepstakes. Those videos coming to you

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Speaker 4: sometime in January. As the scintillating content continues here on

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Speaker 4: the Attic and Flooring podcast. Anything else on that Ken

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Speaker 3: I think that's it.

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Speaker 7: I'm excited, excited to get my entire It might be

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Speaker 4: All Right, Ken Flow is looking to rig the standings.

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Speaker 4: I'm really curious what some of these videos are going

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Speaker 4: to hold. Some of these people are probably like, damn it.

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Speaker 4: I wish that wasn't a prerequisite, you know. All right,

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure he's gonna get my hardware, but wouldn't

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Speaker 4: I gave it to him last year. But again a

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Speaker 3: But I don't.

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Speaker 4: Always look at stake, right, Like I gave James Kraus

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Speaker 4: he didn't coach a UFC champion. You know, I think

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Speaker 4: it's okay to think outside the box. But as far

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Speaker 4: You know, so at some point it's like for Nan

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Speaker 4: Lopez gonna get a fucking trophy for the Aican Florid podcast.

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Speaker 3: You know, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: He also got two lottery tickets and that been that process.

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Speaker 7: It's like two giant Adonises show up in your gym.

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Speaker 6: Well, quite literally, ken, I mean Francis showed up on

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Speaker 6: And he's like, you're like six six to forty? How

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Speaker 3: Well, there you go. So he deserves a trophy for

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Speaker 6: That'd be like if that'd be like if Lebron James

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Speaker 7: Well, well, also you look at them two different, two

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Speaker 4: fucking Pavel Fedotov on you too. I mean Valentina chef

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Speaker 4: Chenko's head coach gets some goddamn consideration.

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Speaker 3: You know, Upset of the year.

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Speaker 4: Andre Muoniz against Jakade Sosa, Randon Moreno against Davis and

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Speaker 4: Luke submitted both Tyron Woodley and Michael Kiesa, you know,

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Speaker 4: And you know how long Ago keeps beating this drum,

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Speaker 4: by the way, about Marab being the forgotten man. No

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Speaker 4: Ray Longo this week, by the way, Sorry, fucking sorry.

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Speaker 4: We've been doing this award for seven years running, right,

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Speaker 4: This is a looks competition. We don't do it for

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and John, obviously you can't vote for me

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Speaker 4: So I'll probably go with the more even tempered action

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Speaker 4: founder and CEO of the Institute of Human Performance in Bokratone, Florida, Kenvlow.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad I'm not there right now. I can tell

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Speaker 4: This man, one of the United States practitioners of functional fitness,

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Speaker 4: the great JC Santana, is with us. Juan Carlos, Good morning,

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Speaker 4: Great to see your shiny face.

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Speaker 3: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 8: Good morning to both of you and everybody that's out there.

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Speaker 8: It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's nice to see you and not be out

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Speaker 4: So, So, if my research is accurate, you opened IHP

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Speaker 8: And in two thousand they introduced me to Marcelo, Marcelo

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Speaker 8: And it was a gladiator back I'm not kidding you.

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Speaker 8: Back when Marcelo used to come in, they had like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well you are not late today so you'd still

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Speaker 8: It was everything, Kenny, because you know when I'm growing up.

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Speaker 8: And when I saw it, I was seeing that with Rio.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't know, by the way, Rio is

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Speaker 4: See jac I don't like to tell people I train,

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Speaker 5: No, that's all good. It's all good.

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Speaker 7: And I'm curious how the training has evolved since you

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Speaker 7: first got into m m A. How has your approach

434
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Speaker 7: evolved over the years.

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Speaker 8: It's gotten lighter, Kenny, when I started. When I started,

436
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Speaker 8: you know, I believed in heavy lifting, and I believed

437
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Speaker 8: in a lot of the traditional lifts. For example, Jeff

438
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Speaker 8: Munson loved with Robbie Ferguson. I could work some of

439
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Speaker 8: the Olympic lifts which I used to compete in Olympic weightlifting.

440
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Speaker 8: As you teach Olympic weightlifting as an instructor, so you

441
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Speaker 8: know when you're coming up, you got the tools you

442
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Speaker 8: got and you go through the years, I've seen that

443
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Speaker 8: Jeff Munson with his one arm snatch, all right, Roddie

444
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Speaker 8: with ritochet cleans, all right, and then I'm going, okay,

445
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Speaker 8: we're getting our asses beat by people who don't do

446
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Speaker 8: these things. So what's happening? And then over time, I'm

447
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 8: putting the best physical specimen on the.

448
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Speaker 5: Field and we're losing.

449
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Speaker 8: We're losing for one reason or another, and I'm going, okay,

450
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Speaker 8: wait a minute. So strength and auditioning is very important,

451
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Speaker 8: but it's not what we think it is. So I

452
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Speaker 8: started saying, Okay, when Gilbert Burns lost to Tomorrow, what happened?

453
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Speaker 8: Because I'm telling you this right now, and I love who,

454
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Speaker 8: I love what Tomorrow has done. I can't respect them more.

455
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Speaker 8: The guy's amazing, But I had the better guy in

456
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Speaker 8: there that night. Gilbert was faster, Gilbert was more powerful,

457
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Speaker 8: Gilbert was stronger, Gilbert would outlast them.

458
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Speaker 5: Why did Gilbert gas? And why was he taken out

459
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Speaker 5: by a jab?

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Speaker 8: A series of jobs, but one in particular, because what

461
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Speaker 8: we're working on right now is called psychomotor vigilance.

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Speaker 5: That's the key.

463
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Speaker 8: You can be in shape and when in the moment

464
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Speaker 8: of being tired, you don't pay, you're not hyper vigilant.

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Speaker 5: That happens.

466
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Speaker 8: Now, did he have an adrenaline dump? How can you

467
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Speaker 8: train for an adrenaline dump? You don't, because that's experience

468
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Speaker 8: so now I'm up here and instead of saying, instead

469
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Speaker 8: of thinking, what's the most that I can do with

470
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Speaker 8: my athlete? No, no, no, no, I'm looking at it

471
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Speaker 8: like I buy a car.

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Speaker 5: What is that?

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Speaker 8: Where can I get the car the cheapest, the saint car,

474
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Speaker 8: good quality, But I don't want to pay if I

475
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Speaker 8: don't have to. So what is the minimum training that

476
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Speaker 8: I can do to make a guy more successful? Why

477
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Speaker 8: is that approach?

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Speaker 5: My approach?

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Speaker 8: Because the rest goes to recovery. They're making a big

480
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Speaker 8: deal out of the recovery. They want to cold plunge,

481
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Speaker 8: hot plunge, they want to do all this shit. Dude,

482
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Speaker 8: do less, sleep more period. Now, we got some good implementations,

483
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Speaker 8: we got some ivy drips that are awesome.

484
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Speaker 5: And a D plus all that great, do it. But

485
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Speaker 5: you're just like, you can't. You can't work out a

486
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Speaker 5: bad diet.

487
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Speaker 8: You can't work out enough if you've got a bad

488
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Speaker 8: diet to lose weight because the caloric intake can be

489
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Speaker 8: so fast that you're going to be running a marathon

490
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Speaker 8: a day and you're still getting fat.

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Speaker 5: So you can't work out away a bad diet away.

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Speaker 8: You cannot. You cannot do that with training you cannot

493
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Speaker 8: train away a bad strategy. You cannot train away an

494
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Speaker 8: overtired fighter, and you cannot train away bad technique.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Period, So spend spend more time training, spend more time

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Speaker 8: with drills, not live drills. Then you can go live drills. Drills,

498
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Speaker 8: drills that has to be. You cannot be missing on

499
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Speaker 8: arm bar because they don't. Those chances don't come around.

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Speaker 8: You know, four times around you get a triangle. There's

501
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Speaker 8: no excuse to miss that.

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Speaker 5: You got to work on that.

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Speaker 3: You gotta work on that.

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Speaker 4: First person I ever heard say drillers make killers was

505
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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian in two thousand and seven, speaking of witch

506
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Speaker 4: Jeff monson Pride thirty four, two thousand and seven against

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Speaker 4: Kazuyuki Fujiita. This jaw crank, right, So I'm reading from

508
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Speaker 4: a JC Santana email here, Ken Flow face cranks are

509
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Speaker 4: easy to get and terrible on the opponent, but have

510
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Speaker 4: not made their way to the mainstream like low kicks,

511
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Speaker 4: not as popular yet, but it will be. So I

512
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Speaker 4: don't disagree. And whenever Ken Flow nods his head, that's

513
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Speaker 4: a good thing. He does it nod his head very

514
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Speaker 4: often when I'm talking JC. No, But seriously, like, why

515
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Speaker 4: aren't people face cranking more now? Like why are they

516
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Speaker 4: going to be face cranking more in twelve to eighteen

517
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Speaker 4: months than they are right now?

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Speaker 5: As soon as it just like the low kicks.

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Speaker 8: I've been talking about low kicks since two thousand because

520
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Speaker 8: I was a short movie tie fighter, very short. I

521
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Speaker 8: was a one sixty pounder and I'm five nine with

522
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Speaker 8: a sixty nine inch reach. There's no frigging way that

523
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Speaker 8: I'm getting in on these six two guys.

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Speaker 5: It's like no way.

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Speaker 8: So the only way I could soccer kick their calves,

526
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Speaker 8: so I could lean back come in.

527
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Speaker 5: And since I have a little experience with judo, I have.

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Speaker 8: That judo timing, that that misstep, that that pop, and

529
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Speaker 8: you know that that counterstep that puts somebody on a

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Speaker 8: single leg.

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Speaker 5: So I have that.

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Speaker 8: So I'm teaching that that low kick two months and

533
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Speaker 8: then of course Monthson's got two left feet, he ain't

534
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Speaker 8: gonna do no low kick, and and Radie is there,

535
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Speaker 8: he picks it up and the rest is history. But anyways,

536
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Speaker 8: it just it just takes one or two guys to

537
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Speaker 8: get it, and then it becomes it becomes a thing.

538
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Speaker 8: The face crank hasn't become a thing. And I look this,

539
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Speaker 8: this is my stuff. This is what I spend time thinking.

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Speaker 8: The orbital bone is extremely extremely sharp. Right here, Bro,

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Speaker 8: this is like a blade. Everybody will give you their face.

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Speaker 8: Everybody will give you their their nose, everybody will give

543
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Speaker 8: you their mouth.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 8: When we went against Fujita, I said, I said, Jeff,

546
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Speaker 8: you're gonna get us back. The only problem is you're

547
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Speaker 8: not to get a choke hold because the guy's got

548
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Speaker 8: no neck. So if you got no neck, what are

549
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Speaker 8: you gonna put a choke hold on? I said, grab

550
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Speaker 8: his jaw, secure it right in here. And we have

551
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Speaker 8: these things called gable lot pull ups where we put

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Speaker 8: one of our power slings. We put a hand across here,

553
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 8: and we do pull ups this way. And for me

554
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Speaker 8: to put that in Jeff's head, I said, let me

555
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Speaker 8: explain to you what this is like.

556
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Speaker 5: Put your head sideways on a bench.

557
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Speaker 8: Then I'm gonna put an Eric's pad on you, and

558
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Speaker 8: then I'm gonna load up one of these bars with

559
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Speaker 8: two twenty five and gently place it on your head. Okay,

560
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Speaker 8: that is what one of your chokes feels like. You

561
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Speaker 8: want to sign up for that?

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Speaker 3: And he got it.

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Speaker 5: He went.

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Speaker 8: He went, I do way two thirty seven. I am

565
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Speaker 8: pulling myself multiple times. I can do twenty second holes.

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Speaker 5: I go.

567
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Speaker 8: If you do that to a human skull, I'm telling

568
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Speaker 8: you right now, you will bust it like a pimple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and you know, and he got him, and Kenny

571
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Speaker 4: he did. And Kenny always fought with bad intentions. Everybody

572
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Speaker 4: sees Kenny now, Yeah, nasty prick in his prime, one

573
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Speaker 4: of the most decorated not just submission artists in you

574
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Speaker 4: have C history, but you make a joke artists in

575
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Speaker 4: UFC history.

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Speaker 3: So kenthll, I got to know what you think about

577
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Speaker 3: all of this, right.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm smiling, John, I'm smiling because, first of all,

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Speaker 7: I had a couple of strength conditioning coaches during during

580
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Speaker 7: my career, and they were both influenced by a lot

581
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Speaker 7: of the exercises that JAYC. Santana used to talk about

582
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Speaker 7: and teach, and I remember doing not only the polls,

583
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Speaker 7: but I used to do the holes as well. I

584
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Speaker 7: would hold my body up in the air and had

585
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Speaker 7: to hold it during my circuits. So no, I mean again,

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Speaker 7: what's interesting to me, John, is that here's a guy

587
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Speaker 7: from a string conditioning background, but he actually thinks like

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Speaker 7: a martial artist first then applies the strength conditioning, which

589
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Speaker 7: I think is very rare because a lot of people

590
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Speaker 7: come into the game. If you're a boxing coach, if

591
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Speaker 7: you arrest the coach, if you jujitsu coach, we come

592
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Speaker 7: in with our biases and we go, well, you know,

593
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Speaker 7: the answer is always going to be juitsu from a coach,

594
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Speaker 7: and the answer is always going to be you know,

595
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Speaker 7: muy type for a more ti coach.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you have a wrench all the time,

597
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Speaker 3: the answer is always the wrench.

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Speaker 7: But you have to think out of the box, and

599
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Speaker 7: you have to think logically, and you have to think

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Speaker 7: like a martial artist. I think that's what makes JC

601
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Speaker 7: different than a lot of the other guys out there.

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Speaker 8: That's that's absolutely correct. That's why I'm a good swim coach.

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Speaker 8: I got I got swim. One of one of our

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Speaker 8: guys that trains out of Cincinnati, just one the the

605
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 8: gold medal in the two hundred and am Carson. And

606
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Speaker 8: what we do is, for example, we'll do a versa

607
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Speaker 8: climber run and we will put his race in front

608
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Speaker 8: of him and he's got to go world record pace

609
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Speaker 8: and he's got to visualize it while he's watching it,

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Speaker 8: and we're trying to think outside the box to put

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Speaker 8: somebody in the event in the event. So all I

612
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 8: got to do is get you tired. We call that

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Speaker 8: a pre fatigue, and then put you in the event.

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Speaker 8: With psychomotor vigilance, you got to be hyper vigilant. You

615
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 8: got to be living the event. And I and I

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Speaker 8: am confident about this. That is equivalent to practice. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: that is equivalent to practice.

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Speaker 4: Can Fler spent seventy hours on the Versa climber back

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Speaker 4: in the day. I wonder, like, when you say Versa climber,

620
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Speaker 4: if he was hooked up to a heart monitor, if

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Speaker 4: he like, yeah, yeah. Jason from the Institute of Human

622
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Speaker 4: Performance joining us here on the Anakin floor in podcast.

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Speaker 4: So your highest profile UFC fighter right now, of course

624
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Speaker 4: Gilbert Urino Burns who made the introduction for me with

625
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Speaker 4: you guys, and I thank him every day for it.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

627
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Speaker 4: So he hasn't fought since the win over Stephen Warner

628
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Speaker 4: Boy Thompson about six months ago. Maintenance training versus actually

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Speaker 4: being in camp. I know you see him less obviously

630
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Speaker 4: when he is not in training camp what's happening when

631
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Speaker 4: Gilbert is not actively training for an opponent and a date.

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Speaker 5: Maintenance? Maintenance.

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Speaker 8: So, for example, let's say that we have our we

634
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Speaker 8: have our favorite exercises that we do, like the holds

635
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Speaker 8: and things like that, like the clinch, curls and all

636
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 8: of those, and we just have him do those at

637
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Speaker 8: at normal weight. Okay, a couple of sets and if

638
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 8: you look, if you look at the training sessions, you go,

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00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 8: that's it. I'm going, yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 5: What are we doing? What are we?

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Speaker 8: Oh, we got to improve? No, you don't have to improve. No,

642
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 8: you don't have to improve. Everybody wants to break through plateaus. John,

643
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Speaker 8: everybody wants to break through plateaus. You don't break through plateaus. Man.

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Speaker 5: Plateaus are an.

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Speaker 8: Indication that you have hit your genetic bandwidth. If you

646
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Speaker 8: don't stay in your genetic band with I guarantee you

647
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 8: you either end up you overtrained, but you might eat

648
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 8: even worse. You might end up with artificial joints ten

649
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 8: years from now. So the whole thing is, you've got

650
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 8: to stay inside of the genetic bandwidth. Once you hit

651
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Speaker 8: Once you hit plateau, that's a physical indication that you've

652
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 8: hit your maximum. Okay, why are we breaking plateaus on benches,

653
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 8: squads and all this?

654
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: Why why.

655
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 8: It's like showing up with one hundred and twenty thousand

656
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 8: dollars for an eighty thousand dollars car.

657
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: Right, So is there more of a quid in my

658
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: genetic band with than Kenny's, for example?

659
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Speaker 5: I'm telling you this. I'm telling you this right now.

660
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 5: We think of genetics in terms of hair, skin color.

661
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 8: Heighth, you know, genetic we have more intergenetic variability inside

662
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 8: than we do outside. So you think people are different outside,

663
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 8: you should see one person inside everything. Aptitude, humor, discipline, organization,

664
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Speaker 8: all of those are genetic. Can they be moved? Yes,

665
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 8: there's a genetic band with that you can move people in.

666
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 8: But you're not going to go past the genetic band

667
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Speaker 8: with unless you're using steroids or unless you're gonna pay

668
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 8: that price of artificial joints and overtrading.

669
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Speaker 4: All right, So maybe steroids, but we'll talk about that

670
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Speaker 4: off the end. All right, a couple more minutes here

671
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 4: with the Great JC Santana. So I have said to

672
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Speaker 4: your son Rio, as we look at this UFC welterweight division,

673
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: and your guy Gilbert Durino burn factoring prominently in this mix.

674
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: I've said, hey, man, you know Gilbert Burns, former lightweight.

675
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Speaker 4: I think he's found the right weight class, but he

676
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 4: looks like he's two weight classes removed from Kamzat Chimaya.

677
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Speaker 4: So I have said to Rio, like, hey, if i'm JC,

678
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Speaker 4: I might softly say, hey, man, I think they're better

679
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: fights for us as we try to regain a second

680
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Speaker 4: crack at Kamara Usman. But if you are training Gilbert

681
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: for kamzat Chimaya, like, does the functional routine change at all?

682
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Speaker 4: Given the size discrepancy? Are you trying to methodically add

683
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: maybe four or five pounds of muscle over six months,

684
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Speaker 4: if that's even possible. I hear you talk about genetic bandwidth.

685
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Speaker 4: To me, I see two guys in different weight classes,

686
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: and that's the guy that's in your bracket.

687
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Speaker 8: Like it or not, No, I'm there one. I think

688
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 8: that guy's a monster. And I don't approach this from

689
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Speaker 8: an ego standpoint. And I've told Gilbert, you know, I

690
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Speaker 8: kind of father my fighters because I'm old, and I

691
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Speaker 8: give them fatherly advice.

692
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Speaker 5: And I look at it as a business as a business,

693
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Speaker 5: and I don't like that fight.

694
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 8: And if we're going to go for that fight, okay,

695
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 8: strength strength neural. You don't need to put on five

696
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 8: pounds of muscle because then remember if we're already, If

697
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 8: you're putting in five pounds of muscle, then what's going

698
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 8: to happen with that muscle when it comes time to

699
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 8: cut weight? Is it gonna make the way cut harder?

700
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 8: Is that then going to weaken him? And plus, you

701
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 8: don't need muscle for strength. You don't need muscle for strength. Strength,

702
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 8: real elite strength is not a muscle. It's not a

703
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 8: morphological event. It's a neurological event. That's why you see

704
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Speaker 8: power lifters that are not particularly big, especially in the

705
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Speaker 8: one sixties one seventies. You know, these guys are pulling

706
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Speaker 8: six seven hundred pounds, and you go, how do they

707
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Speaker 8: do it?

708
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Speaker 3: They do it.

709
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Speaker 8: They're built certain genetically, they're neurally wired Differently. Strength is

710
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 8: a neural thing, So strength is not going to be

711
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 8: Gilbert is already strong enough for Hamze, right period, end

712
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 8: of story. Gilbert grabs you and you're done. Okay, Now

713
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 8: does he grab you when he's tired? Does he grab

714
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 8: you when he's thinking about some other stuff? How does

715
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 8: he grab you? Does he grab you the wrong? Because

716
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 8: you know, you guys know if I if I go

717
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 8: high on on on a body lock versus a little

718
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 8: bit lower on a body lock, that's a different strength.

719
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 8: High on the body lock, I'm dealing with the lats.

720
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Speaker 5: It's hard.

721
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Speaker 8: But if I get that floating rib and you get

722
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 8: close to me, I can I can put some shit

723
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 8: on it now, right, right, So it goes back down

724
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 8: to technique. So I look at uh Gilbert, and I say,

725
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Speaker 8: what is going to be the approach? And he's going

726
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 8: to tell me how he's going to approach it. Then

727
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 8: I create, if needed, I'll create some different exercises or

728
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 8: exercises probably most will be already there that he's going

729
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 8: to use if he gets in situations and I'm going

730
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Speaker 8: to tell him. I always ask the fighter, what's your nightmare?

731
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 8: What what's your nightmare? What's the position you don't want

732
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 8: to be in with him? And we work that position

733
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 8: because you got to you know, we we we we

734
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 8: got to make sure that if we get into a

735
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 8: bad situation where we're there, we can we can get

736
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Speaker 8: out of it.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know if much would change. I think

738
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Speaker 5: Gilbert has enough strength.

739
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Speaker 8: My thing would be conditioning, conditioning, conditioning, and even that has.

740
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: A top, right, right, even that has a top.

741
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that would get answered. All right.

742
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 4: Last thing before we let you fly, And we've talked

743
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: about this a little bit off the air, but i'd

744
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: imagine you hear some untruths out there when you're watching

745
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: sporting events, whether it's a UFC telecast or another event.

746
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 4: When it comes to the human body, human performance, is

747
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: there anything in particular, whether it's me or something you know,

748
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: something that is said repeatedly, lactic acid or otherwise that

749
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 4: crazy when it comes to like misconceptions about your field.

750
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, shit like that. The lactic acid. Oh, he's all

751
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 8: the build up of lactic acid. Oh, he's got to

752
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 8: get rid of the lactic acid.

753
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 5: The measures.

754
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 8: It's like, guys, lactic acid doesn't exist in the human body. Okay,

755
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 8: let's get let's start with that one, all right. Lactic

756
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 8: acid doesn't exist. It's HLA and as soon as it's produced,

757
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 8: it disassociates into hydrogen and lactate. Hydrogen okay, makes the

758
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 8: blood acidic that can kill you. Lact tape nothing, all right, So,

759
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 8: and you don't have to get rid of it. The

760
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 8: body process that like normal. It's like trying to tell

761
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 8: me that you got to extract the oxygen from the

762
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 8: air in some deliberate manner. No, you just breathe the

763
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 8: air and the twenty one percent oxygen that's there will

764
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 8: do it. Shit, you don't have to worry about anything.

765
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 8: It's in there right, well, the lactic acid. Don't worry

766
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 8: about the lactic acid. Now, with that being said, with

767
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 8: your training, all right, what we're trying to do is

768
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 8: buffer hydrogen, buffer hydrogen, and triathletes have solutions okay that

769
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 8: are basic, all right, that they can like what do

770
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 8: you call it, sodium citrate for example, all right, that

771
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 8: can help you buffer hydrogen. And there's some discussion in

772
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 8: the scientific world if you can increase your your stores

773
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 8: of bicarbonate through training. But that you know, I don't

774
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 8: get too much into the geeky stuff, you know. I

775
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 8: kind of keep it here where we can talk and

776
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 8: where we can work with.

777
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: So that kind of start me.

778
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: You'll never hear me drop a lactic acid. I think

779
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: it was actually some sodium situated in my gatorade this morning,

780
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: by the way. There you go, all right, all right,

781
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: on social media. You can find him at JC Santana

782
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 4: ihp Wan Carlos can't thank you enough for your time

783
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: and your insight. We got to figure out a way

784
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: to get you on the air more frequently. I'll see

785
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: you later this week so I can push that stupid

786
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: fucking sled in front of your face and we'll see

787
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 4: how that goes.

788
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, that tank, that tank.

789
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 8: Way, you'd be thankful for that tank because if it

790
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 8: wasn't for that tank, you'd be behind my truck.

791
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: Right all right. I will take the tank every day.

792
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 8: And everybody knows the way home. Everybody knows about that truck.

793
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 8: That truck pull around I HP five times everybody. Roddy Ferguson,

794
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 8: Jeff Buns and Lewis Arius, all those guys have pushed that.

795
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 5: So be thankful for that little tank.

796
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 3: Well, hey, I got in there thirty four times this year.

797
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: I was away one hundred ninets a year, so it's

798
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: pretty good.

799
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: And uh, I'm just glad Kenny didn't ask you like

800
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: what it's like training me, because I don't think our

801
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: audience really cares about that.

802
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 3: I'd love to get some videos of him crying during

803
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: the WORKO. Yeah, great, he.

804
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 5: Does that privately.

805
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 8: You know he's getting his ass kick when he walks

806
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 8: away and then he gets he puts his hands on.

807
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: His knees and then I'm going, all right, leave him alone.

808
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: Good Hey, uh much love brother. I'll see it a

809
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 4: couple of days. Thank you for the time. We'll talk soon.

810
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 5: Thank you. Nice to see you, Kenny, Good to see

811
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Speaker 5: you all right.

812
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 4: There he is one Carlos Santana with us here on

813
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: the Anakin Florian podcast. Very interesting stuff there, very interesting stuff.

814
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: Ken flows thinking about cranking jaws like for the last.

815
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: It was awesome to have him.

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00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 6: Man.

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00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: Great.

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00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a he's a he's a good resource. And

819
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Speaker 4: it's interesting with Gilbert Burns because I go in there

820
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 4: and I'm talking shit the whole time. I'm like, how

821
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: you guys gonna beat comzat bro, you know how you

822
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: gotta beat you?

823
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Speaker 3: You know it's a fucking light heavyweight.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: I love talking shit. But obviously there would be an approach,

826
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Speaker 4: and you heard him lay it out. A couple programming

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