1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: your Tony Spiraback with us paranormal researcher and the son 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: in law of the famed paranormal researchers delayed Ed and 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Lorraine Warren. Tony and his team continue the work of 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: Ed and Lorraine through their work in the paranormal phenomena. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: And here's Tony on Coast to Coast Tony, welcome back. 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: How have you been? Hey, George? Very well, thanks thanks 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: for asking me. I'm a little tired because it's three 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: in the morning here, but hey, why not. Hey, thank 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: you George. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to keep you awake for two hours, buddy. 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, that's great, that's great. 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: Were you interested in the paranormal before you became the 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: son in law a Bed and Lorraine? 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: Well, not really, no more or less. I was into 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: astrology and astrology, astronomy and astrology books. I used to 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 3: read those books, and I was interested in that horoscopes 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: and the zodiac and things like that. But I was 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: also open to like past life experiences and things like that. 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: I used to read like You've lived before, that kind 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: of those kind of books. But so when I met 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: ed Lorraine's daughter back in nineteen seventy nine, I didn't 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: even know anything about them because her name was different, 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: her last name was different because she was previously married. 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: But one day, after about dating her for about three 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: weeks or maybe four weeks, she said to me one night, 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: she said, hey, you want to go see my parents 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 3: lecture University of Connecticut. So my immediate reaction was they 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: must be college professors or something. So I said that's 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: what I said. I said, I think college professors, and 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: she laughed and she goes, no, no, no, they're She 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: didn't say ghosts on her she said, there's psychic researchers. 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: And she said they're lecturing at Jorgensen Auditorium at the 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: University of Connecticut. If you want to go see him 36 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: with me, I'm like, sure, Yeah, that'd be cool. She 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: told me what they did, and you know that they'd 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: give lectures all the time around the country. So that's 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: when I met them in October of nineteen seventy nine, 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: and in the green room of Jorgensen and they were 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: very very nice to me. Ed looked up at me 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: when I walked in the room in the green room, 43 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: and he said. The first thing he said to me 44 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: was a hey, kid, Actually, hey, he goes you believe 45 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: in ghosts. So, me, being the kind of wise guy 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: that I was way back then, I said, well, maybe Casper. 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: Casper the friendly ghost ed kind of laughed and he went, well, 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: after tonight's lecture, I think you're gonna believe in ghost kid, 49 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: just like that. And Lorraine was another chair. She had 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: like a Scottish kilt and a ruffled blouse and Ed's 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: tye matched her kilt. It was like a Royal Stewart 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: Tartan kilt that she was wearing, and Ed had a 53 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: matching tie. And she was very nice. She was sipping 54 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: tea and she says, Hi, honey, how are you? She 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: called everybody honey. You know. So it was my first 56 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: encom And then we went to it in the front 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: row of the audience to watch this show that I've 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: never seen before, and it was, you know, mind boggling 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: to me at the time because I was in nineteen 60 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: seventy nine. I was twenty nine, but I was a 61 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: police officer at the time when I met Judy, and 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: so I was pretty like stoic when it came to 63 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: like reality from non reality. And you know, cops have 64 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 3: got to be shown things and proven things. They don't 65 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: believe anything until I see it and feel it and 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: hear it. But when I listened to ed that night 67 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: in Lorraine talking about ghosts with such genuine concern, which 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: was such knowledge of the paranormal, and the way Ed 69 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: spoke was so serious about these things, but I knew 70 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: they weren't making up stories. And then after that, I 71 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: was kind of like a shock when I watched this 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: two hour presentation because I never saw anything like it, George. 73 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: And then you know, talking about ghosts, talking about devils 74 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: and demons, showing the picture of Annabelle in the case, 75 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: and talking about the backstory on Annabelle. And so after that, 76 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: my head was spinning. And we went back to the 77 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: green room, and of course the first thing out of 78 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: Edg's mouth was after he said, how'd you like to show? 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: And I said it was great, Let's go find the 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: pizza somewhere. Now. I don't know, George, if you've ever 81 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: been to the University of Connecticut and stores, there's nothing 82 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: around there, especially back in nineteen seventy nine. There's nothing's open. 83 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: It's like it's like a ghost town at night, even 84 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 3: though it's a college town. At night that closes right up. 85 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: There's hardly any businesses or anything open. Somehow Ed found 86 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: a pizza place that was open not too far from 87 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: the college at about eleven o'clock at night, and that's 88 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 3: when we went for pizza. And that's where I met 89 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: the author of The Demonologist, Gerald Briddle. And I didn't 90 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: know it at the time, George, but you know, you know, 91 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: I'm a new date for Judy. I only been with 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: her for four weeks. We walked into the pizza place. 93 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: Ed's already there because he can't wait to eat, you know, 94 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: That's how it was, and Judy was there. I'm sorry, Lorrain, 95 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: and so Judy and I sat down, and there was 96 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: a gentleman about a couple of years older than me 97 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: at the time, maybe he was thirty one or two. 98 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: I was sitting there with a sports jacket on right 99 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: next to Ed, and he had like a yellow pad, 100 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: a yellow notepad, like a legal pad, and he was 101 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: writing notes. I didn't take much attention to it at all, 102 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: but the first thing out of my mouth is Ed, 103 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: so can you tell me some more about you know, 104 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 3: these demons and devils you're talking about. So he started 105 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: to go into the story about he went he went 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: into the story about it. I might it might have 107 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: been Amityville, I'm not sure. So as he was talking 108 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: about it, this young man looks over. You're at Ed, 109 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 3: and he like he kind of interrupted it when he's talking. 110 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: He said, Ed about this Amityville thing, let me ask 111 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: you a question. Ed looks over at him and says, Gerald, 112 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: you're a real pain in the neck, you know that, 113 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 3: because we're trying to eat pizza here. Just like I 114 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: felt kind of bad for for for Gerald, because he 115 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: just became very quiet after that. You know, he didn't talk. 116 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: But I didn't know at the time. He was the 117 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: author who was in the process of writing The Demonologist book, 118 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: which is almost like a textbook on their lives. You know. 119 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: Well Ed passed away nineteen years ago at the age 120 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: of seventy nine. Lorraine passed away six years ago at 121 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: the age of ninety two. But when they were together 122 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: doing their thing, they created the New England Society for 123 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: Psychic Research. Nest works are and you're continuing. 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: That, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well, I kind of made 125 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: a pact with Lorraine. When Ed fell. He fell sick, 126 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: and one two thousand and one, he had a massive stroke. 127 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: He couldn't talk, he couldn't walk, he couldn't eat on 128 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: his own. So Lorrain took care of him all these 129 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: for five years, from two thousand and one until six 130 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: she kept him at home on a hospital bed, and 131 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: she used to have the she used to have the 132 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: urologists come in and change his catheter and things like that. 133 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: She was like a nurse at her age. She was 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: like the best nurse she could ever have. And I 135 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: remember one time I said, Lorrain, this is draining. This 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: is really hard on you, you know, she said to me. 137 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: She looked up at me and she said, it's an 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: honor to take care of it, just like to ask. 139 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: She was, It's my honor, That's how she said. And 140 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: all the time that she had to stay home and 141 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: watch over him and feed him with a feeding tube 142 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: and have his cath to change. She watched him so closely, 143 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: you know. That's why he made it for five more years, 144 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: even though he was incapacitated. But I kind of made 145 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: a promise to Lorraine that we would continue to work, 146 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: and actually we went on investigations together and lectures together, 147 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: just Lorraine and I. Well. Ed was sick when they 148 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: would have a twenty four our caregiver there too, when 149 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: we were on a lecture tour, you know. But Ed 150 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: was a great guy. The Rain is a great person, 151 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: both of them. Lorraine never met a person she didn't like. 152 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: She was like, she was like Will Rogers. She she 153 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: just exuded like warmths to people, you know. And I 154 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: think you might have even had her on the show. 155 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if you did or not, but did you, guys, 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: Art Bell might have? I did not. I know Art 157 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: Bell did. I mean because I remember Ed speaking about 158 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: we were on the Art Bell Show the other night, 159 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: and I mean he said, you ever hear that show 160 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: Coast to Coast And I'm like, yeah, so I know 161 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: he was on that show. But there were such knowledgeable 162 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: people in the paranormal George. Yet, you know, it was 163 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: almost like when I was talking to him and learning 164 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: over the years, you know, I knew that my heart 165 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: of hearts that no matter how much Ed Warren taught me, 166 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: I wouldn't know as much as he did. You know. 167 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: It was almost like you think about it. It's almost 168 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: like a like a karate master, you know, and he's 169 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: teaching the kids. He's teaching everybody how to how to 170 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 3: do it. But he's always better than than the kids, 171 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: you know, because he has that vast knowledge of things. 172 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: And that's how ed was. He had such vast knowledge 173 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: you couldn't you couldn't trip them up, like on a 174 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: paranormal question. And one time he did say to me, 175 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: after a Q and A section at a lecture at 176 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: a college, when you're just throwing left and right questions 177 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: at him, and there are hard questions too, you know, 178 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: and he was like, He's answered the questions just out 179 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: of the blue. And I'm like, so so I can 180 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: throw all that this guy knows all these things. And 181 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: after the lecture he said, he goes, I don't know 182 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: where I get these things from. What are you talking 183 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: about it? He goes. He goes, ask me a question, 184 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: he goes, and I won't know the answer. Then all 185 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's like it's like somebody spoke to me, 186 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: like the answer would just come to me, like maybe 187 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 3: it's from God. He said to me. He might have 188 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: been right, because there wasn't anything he couldn't respond to 189 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: in a way that was very satisfying as an answer, 190 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: you know. So that's that's how great he was when 191 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: he came to or I used to go over his 192 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 3: house like it's in the daytime. If I went over 193 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: his house just a visit, Lorraine would be in the kitchen. 194 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: I'd say, where is that. He's down in a study 195 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: downstairs off the museum, and I'd walk in there and 196 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: he'd be reading a book on the paranormal. It's just 197 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: like forty years after he started investigating. Every day he 198 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: would every day he would be looking at different books, 199 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: talking to different people. That was his whole life. His 200 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: whole life was paranormal research and finding out about haunting 201 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 3: phenomena and demonic activity. 202 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: Well, their work was based on a lot of movies 203 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: because of what they did, Annabelle, the conjuringe amide Ville 204 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: were so many things that they touched right right. 205 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: The thing is, I remember when Ed was not even 206 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: alive at the time, when a producer called Lorrain. We 207 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 3: knew the guy. He was a guy who did one 208 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: movie I think years before, but he called the Rain 209 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: up and he knew Ed and Lorrain from the Haunting 210 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: in the West Pittston Pence to some wirl case. That's 211 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: I believe that's how he met Ed because he was 212 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 3: living in Pennsylvania at the time. His man and Ed 213 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 3: must have invited him over to the house his you know, 214 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: his house in Monroe and said, con over, I'll show 215 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: you some films and whatever, some slides, and I guess 216 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: he played for this man. He played the he Witched 217 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: Farmhouse case, which Ed used to speak to me all 218 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: the time about. After lectures. He'd say, you want to 219 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: make a good movie. Tone, I'm like what Ed? And 220 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: he repeated almost like six or seven different times, like 221 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: during the course of our lectures. At different periods. He 222 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: would say, yeah, at which farmhouse and Rhode Island. So 223 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: I said, but which farmhouse the first time he said 224 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: it because you know the parent farmhouse, the house of 225 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: Rhode Island at Harrisville. It was the movie the Conjuring 226 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: was based on. So here's what happened. This guy called 227 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: up in like nine Ed had already passed and he 228 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 3: talked to He says, hey, Lorraine, I have a treatment 229 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: for a movie. It was that Rhode Island case that 230 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: you talked about a long time ago, he said. He said, 231 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: we have a treatment before, I'm gonna call it the Conjuring, 232 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: just like that. So we were like, yeah, that'd be 233 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: that'd be great to the man, you know, And so 234 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: we thought nothing of it, like this is never gonna happen, 235 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: because all over the years people have brought projects to 236 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: end Lorrain and they never became anything big. You know, 237 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: maybe TV show or something. But this is real, This 238 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: is real. 239 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: That became a huge movie, wasn't it. 240 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was gigantic. We didn't think it was gonna 241 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: be a gigantic because it was a movie that costs 242 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 3: like twenty million dollars, had a twenty million dollar budget, George, 243 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: but it made like three hundred and fifty million dollars. 244 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: And so they're all there Conjuring movies. That's the last one, 245 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: forget the last one for now. But up to Conjuring one, two, three, 246 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: and all the Noun movies and the Conjuring and the 247 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: NFL movies, they made almost two billion dollars off of 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: undred and eighty nine dollars total one hundred and eighty 249 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: nine million dollar total investment. So when you think about it, 250 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: and that's one of the highest grossing work he conjuring 251 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: four last rites. He was already up to four hundred 252 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: and sixty million, and it costs that was a fifty 253 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: million dollar budget. So it's like they just are so 254 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: successful that they keep making movies, you know, because the 255 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: people can't get enough of like Patrick and Vera. Patrick 256 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: Wilson and Vera Farmiga play Ahead in the Rain. Their 257 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: on screen chemistry is fantastic. 258 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: Tell you a funny story about Patrick Wilson. Okay, when 259 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: he was a little boy, six seven years old, he'd 260 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: be running around the newsroom in Saint Louis. His father 261 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: was his father was my anchorman here in Saint Louis 262 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: when I was the news director. 263 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 3: Oh really, brought. 264 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: This little kid in named little Patrick Wilson. 265 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, small world. 266 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: Small world. Well I didn't, Lorraine Warren Tony worked without 267 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: controversy from skeptics. 268 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: What do you think of that? Well, what I think 269 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: of that is it's it's healthy to have discussions because 270 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: if somebody comes to you and says, hey, I don't 271 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 3: believe any of this stuff, ED used to always say 272 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: to them, well, I'm not here to convince you of anything, sir, 273 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: I'm just here to show you My evidence is what 274 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: he used to say, because there used to be Heckler's 275 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: in the audience. There used to be naysayers, and people 276 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: would think that they know more than ed, or because 277 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: they've never seen it, it doesn't exist. So I used 278 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: to always tell me later, he goes these people, he's 279 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: they have a rude awakening if they really don't believe, 280 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: I said, why he goes. There's too much. He goes. 281 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: Forget our faith, forget religion for now, there's too much 282 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: evidence saying that there's an afterlife. He's too, we have 283 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: too much evidence. He's people can't be telling me the 284 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: same stories over and over again. So because he would, 285 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: he would talk to everyone. People would have past life experiences, 286 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: people who've thought they were reincarnated, to all those kind 287 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: of things, and near death experiences. He would talk to 288 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: people about and the evidence of a spirit coming back 289 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: and haunting a location, and the family members like, yeah, 290 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: that's my grandfather. I could just I know it's him. 291 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: I can smell his perfume, or I can smell his cigar, 292 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: or I heard him call my name out as my grandfather. 293 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: So the thing is, these afterlife exists, and ghosts and 294 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: spirits exist, but also demons exist also. So that's the 295 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: problem is what people say to me or a dead 296 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: or Lorraine when he used to say, well, we have 297 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: a ghost in our house, but we're not afraid of it. 298 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: That's a tip off to be afraid of it, actually, 299 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: because because a lot of times a demonic or something 300 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: that's not very nice will come into guys as something nice. 301 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: That's the problem. They may come as your grandfather, your aunt, 302 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: or your uncle, but they're not because they want to 303 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: get you involved. They want you to involve them in 304 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: their lives. So if you invite him in, then hey, 305 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,479 Speaker 3: you invited him in, so now you suffer the consequences. 306 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: We didn't ask you invite me to invite us in, 307 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: witch you did. So that's the kind of thing like 308 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: by using Wiji boards, by going to psychics and psychic 309 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: readers and tarot card readers, you're opening yourself up. And 310 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: Ed used to tell that to everyone, but the naysayers 311 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: would be like, well that's that's not true, and no 312 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: matter what you said to them, they would come up 313 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: with something else, like this's this phenomenon that's called I 314 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: used to call it phantomnia or psychic paralyzation. Used to 315 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: call it. And so I said to Ed one time, 316 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: well tell me exactly what you're talking about when you 317 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: talk about phantomania. He is, that's when you're laying in 318 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: bed at night and you wake up, you can't move, 319 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: you can't yell out. He's ever had that happened? I said, no, 320 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: but I've heard of that. He said, yeah, a lot 321 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: of people have had it. Paralysis, right, thee paralysis right. 322 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: So Ed would say, I would even say to the lecture, 323 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: you'd say, if it's something medical or psychological, that's one thing. 324 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: He was, But if you rule those things out by 325 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: going to a medical professional, he rule those things out. 326 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: It only leaves one thing, and that's demonic oppression or 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: or infant station or trying to possess a person. And 328 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: I remember Ed talkin d He invited a skeptic one 329 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 3: time to our classes. We used to give classes at 330 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: the at the Carousel Gardens and Seymour, Connecticut. It was 331 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: a big restaurant like a Victorian house. Very nice people 332 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 3: owned it. We should give classes on Tuesday nights. And 333 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: one time I showed up the class to help as 334 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: in the rain, and there's this two people I never 335 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: saw before. They were from a skeptical group somewhere in Connecticut. 336 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: One was a doctor and was this his friend, and 337 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: they as soon as they heard the story about the paralyzation. 338 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: The doctor says, well, that's hypnogognia. I said, what do 339 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: you mean, is that similargagnause. That's a that's a medical 340 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: condition in the brain. I said, really, I says, how 341 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: do you know that? He goes it is it's a 342 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: medical it's this, it's not it's not anything demonic. So 343 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: they just bluff it off. They fluff everything right off 344 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 3: because they don't have a base of belief. You know, 345 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: if someone doesn't have a base of belief, kind of 346 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: hard to convince him of a spirit when they don't 347 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: believe in God, for instance, Because you know, I used 348 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: to say to people and they say didn't they didn't 349 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: believe in ghosts or devils or deemons. I said, well, 350 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: do you believe in God? And a lot of times 351 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: they'd say no, I don't. So then I would say, 352 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 3: well that answers the question of why you don't believe 353 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: in spirits? Because God is a supernatural being, he's a spirit. 354 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: He created you in his image, so you're a spirit. Too, 355 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: and besides having a body, but they would just fluff 356 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: that off too, like, no, it's evolution. How can it 357 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: be a evolution? George? You know, how have you ever 358 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: watched I have ever watched a young animal like taking 359 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: care of their little baby animals? Like one time he 360 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: had told me he was driving down the road and 361 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 3: he saw a deer in the woods and then he 362 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: saw the deer grabbed a branch. Big deer grabbed a 363 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 3: branch and pull it down, so the little doe that 364 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 3: was with that deer could have some of a branch 365 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 3: so in a food off the branch. He could tell me, 366 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: that's not a miracle. That's not something that's an almighty 367 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: created that created everything. There's no way this all could 368 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: be random and it came together like this, you know. 369 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 370 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 371 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: dot com for more