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Speaker 2: Focusing once again on earnings and Intel certainly on that

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Speaker 2: list as we see it popping around in the aftermarket.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean. We've got Intel shares down about

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Speaker 2: three point eight percent as we speak, and some of

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Speaker 2: it has to do with a week forecast supply shortages

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Speaker 2: hampering sales. This is not a new story that we've

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Speaker 2: heard around the chip companies, particularly when it comes to AI.

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Speaker 2: The demand is there, they can't meet the demand, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of a good positive story that the demand

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Speaker 2: is still there, but it's not great when you can't

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Speaker 2: meet that and you're just you know, trying to kind

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Speaker 2: of connect the dots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to bring an Ivan Fine Seth, research

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Speaker 1: director and chief investment officer at Tiger's Financial Partners. The

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Speaker 1: firm has more than five hundred million dollars under management

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Speaker 1: and as a buy rating on the company's stock. Ivan

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Speaker 1: does just very like your immediate knee jerk reaction to this,

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Speaker 1: does your rating? Well, I know you can't answer that question,

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Speaker 1: but your knee jerk reaction. I'm not even to ask

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Speaker 1: your knee jerk reaction to the numbers here. You're shaking

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Speaker 1: your head.

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Speaker 3: It's not this quarter. It's not a quarterly story. It

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Speaker 3: is a major shift in the company. It's and they

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Speaker 3: have I think turned a major corner. But the stock

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Speaker 3: is also run up significantly from a lower twenty. It

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Speaker 3: hit fifty five dollars, so I think it may have

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Speaker 3: gotten a little bit ahead of itself and it may

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Speaker 3: pull back. But I think everything that's going on, and

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Speaker 3: then the new CEO, lip Pretend is is as planned.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they are well positioned to benefit from AI

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Speaker 3: data center demand, AI computer demand, their partnership with Intel,

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Speaker 3: money from the US government, so they are plenty flush

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Speaker 3: to invest in all of their key growth initiatives.

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Speaker 2: So fundamentally, what's changed Ivan when it comes to this company?

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Speaker 2: You obviously sound really upbeat. Is it just a case

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Speaker 2: of having the backdrop because you know of the United

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Speaker 2: States government? Is that what's done?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: You know kind of.

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Speaker 4: It's everything, Okay.

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Speaker 3: It's the It's first of all, it's the it's President

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Speaker 3: Trump's push on what's sold here is made here, investing

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Speaker 3: in US semiconductor manufacturing capacity here, expanding the Intel foundry business,

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Speaker 3: as well as the growth of data centers, the growth

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Speaker 3: of AI enabled PCs. So they are positioned, i think,

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Speaker 3: perfectly to benefit from what what was in the early

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Speaker 3: innings of we're going to be a long game of

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Speaker 3: the AI driven growth in both the tech sector and

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Speaker 3: the US and the global economy.

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Speaker 1: So okay, I just want to this is a different

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Speaker 1: company than it was six months ago as a result

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Speaker 1: of as a result of the US investment. And I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering what that position, what that type of what that

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Speaker 1: investment does for LIP. Butan's position like you know, when

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Speaker 1: you're the CEO of a company and you come out

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Speaker 1: with a report, you're you're obviously you got to worry

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Speaker 1: about the board, You got to worry about shareholders. Now

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Speaker 1: he's got to worry about a phone call from President

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Speaker 1: Trump because the President likes to talk about how well

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Speaker 1: the stock has done since the US made that investment.

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Speaker 1: What does that change the dynamic?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't.

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Speaker 3: But it's really funny that President Trump wanted to go

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Speaker 3: from deporting.

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Speaker 4: The guy to giving the guy money.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's the power of a conversation, right, But.

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Speaker 2: It also shows, but it also shows how quickly things

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Speaker 2: can change, certainly from the White House perspective.

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Speaker 3: Well, it highlights Trump's perspective on driving the US manufacturing infrastructure,

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Speaker 3: US leadership in all key areas, and semiconductors is a

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Speaker 3: very important area, especially that Intel makes semiconductors for the

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, so does it make the defense business stronger?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Hey, there's no better partner, one number one partner. I

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Speaker 3: don't Well, it could be a tie US government and Nvidia.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let me go to the partners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me ask this question a different

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Speaker 1: way than Ivan. And that's about where Intel would be

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Speaker 1: right now. If the US government had not made that investment,

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Speaker 1: would this be a completely different picture? Would it have

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think this has helped.

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Speaker 3: I think this removes concerns, balanceet concerns that moved and

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Speaker 3: allows the company and the CEO to focus on business.

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Speaker 3: A partnership with Nvidia is great, and partnership with the

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Speaker 3: USK it opens up. They're back working with Apple, They're

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Speaker 3: going to be working with everybody, and I think you're

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Speaker 3: going to see Intel as a major contender as a

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Speaker 3: sub reconductor foundry semiconductor manufacturer to take on Taiwan Semiconductor.

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Speaker 2: So okay, going back to Intel, under pressure in the aftermarket.

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Speaker 2: We continue to track the share price I think down

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Speaker 2: about four or five percent as we speak. The forecast

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Speaker 2: for the first quarter top and bottom line disappointing. At

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Speaker 2: the same time, it's talking about the CEO saying demand

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Speaker 2: and then he goes on to say making our Intel

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Speaker 2: says the company making good progress in fourteen A production

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Speaker 2: on track for volume production in twenty twenty eight, has

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Speaker 2: multiple engineering engagements on fourteen A. Help me understand what

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Speaker 2: that means.

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Speaker 3: These are different chips, the fourteen A, the eighteen A

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Speaker 3: that they and the announcements that they made earlier this

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Speaker 3: track to go into production to meet huge demand. Demand

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Speaker 3: for all semiconductors is outstripping supply. There's in fact, concerns

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Speaker 3: of memory shortage and process or shortage. So they got

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Speaker 3: the demand wind is that is a tailwind, and they

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Speaker 3: are back to innovating and developing and work, you know,

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Speaker 3: winning customers and working with key you know computer manufacturers,

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Speaker 3: Key Hyperscaler, you know, cloud service providers. And I think

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Speaker 3: that they got a tremendous tailwind.

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Speaker 4: The stock ringing up a lot. It went from twenty

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Speaker 3: Even though if it pulls back to forty five, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a buying opportunity because I think that long term

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Speaker 3: they are going to be back. I mean I don't

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Speaker 3: think even be back to their former glory. I think

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Speaker 3: they are going to be one of the world's leading

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Speaker 3: semiconductor developers, designers, and manufactor.

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Speaker 2: So the foundry Services division their factory unit revenue of

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Speaker 2: year before. It currently relies on almost exclusively as you know,

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Speaker 2: Intel product divisions for orders. It's looking to expand beyond that.

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Speaker 2: Is that crucial for the company's future growth.

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Speaker 3: It's crucial, But that is the opportunity, okay, to work

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Speaker 3: with everybody, because you got to realize that most of

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Speaker 3: the other semiconductor companies, even in Nvidia, Apple, all of

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Speaker 3: the companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon, that want their own

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Speaker 3: They outsourced to companies like tod Wan semi Coonductor and

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Speaker 3: hopefully companies like Intel to manufacture their processors.

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Speaker 1: You know, is the US the US is at least

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Speaker 1: from an investment protective things have kind of quieted down

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Speaker 1: a little bit since the summer. But are there any

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Speaker 1: other companies, particularly companies within your universe that you follow,

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Speaker 1: that could see in your view and investment by the

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Speaker 3: You know that I don't know. The other companies that

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Speaker 3: I like in the semi conductor sector are in Vidia

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Speaker 3: and Quailcom. And you know, in Vidia is pretty flush.

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Speaker 4: Yeah they need so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they could they could make an investment in the

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Speaker 3: Yes, I really think it was great how it turned

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Speaker 3: around after the meeting with Trump and Tan that Trump

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have projects.

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Speaker 3: In Arizona, projects in Ohio. So ideally the US could

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Speaker 3: be the semiconductor manufacturing capital for the world.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of going back to a new right,

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Speaker 2: hoefully so I even point out the run up that

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Speaker 2: the information put out a story and it says Intel's

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Speaker 2: forward even a multiple has lifted to twenty times highest

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Speaker 2: level since twenty twenty one, well above the twelve and

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Speaker 2: a half times at which TSMC currently trades. This is

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Speaker 2: what I was trying to get to before with our simulcast.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to market caps, but it has to

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Speaker 3: Well, I always say I wish we could solve the

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Speaker 3: mysteries of the stock market by dividing two numbers like

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Speaker 3: cash flow or even pe. Stocks go up for everything

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Speaker 3: that you really can't measure. And this is about Intel's future.

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Speaker 3: So we are going to see if all goes well,

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Speaker 3: a huge ramp up in revenue, in expansion in margin

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Speaker 3: and increasing cash flow and then in increasing profitability. So

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Speaker 3: I think their foundry business will ramp up significantly, and

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Speaker 3: cash flow and profitability will ramp up also ramp up significantly.

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Speaker 2: execution challenge. We are laser focused as a team to

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Speaker 2: improve that to be candid. It's just our execution that

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Speaker 2: needs to improve. Ivan fine Seth, great stuff, as always

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Speaker 2: so appreciated. He's, of course, chief Investment Officer over at

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Speaker 2: Tiger's Financial Partners, joining us on Intel