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Speaker 1: look at you and I look at the progress that

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Speaker 1: it is that you know, we we the television round

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Speaker 1: that in your life? Is being on television a need priority?

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Speaker 1: Or what's going on in your life from a television perspective?

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Speaker 1: Dr Stephen, You know, television for me is a vehicle

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Speaker 1: It's the same conversation where you know you've seen people

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Speaker 1: present me with TV projects and I've never I don't

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Speaker 1: turn them down. It's not my thing, but my focus

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Speaker 1: is primarily on running the schools. I know that's crazy

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Speaker 1: for some people who whose air is to be seen

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Speaker 1: by people, but I know that there's another side to that,

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Speaker 1: and there's a cost to that as well as you

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Speaker 1: well know. And you can't undring that bell. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: never know what's gonna happen with televisions. So the conversation

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Speaker 1: is I'll put it this way, and you know you

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Speaker 1: can without getting myself jammed up. Um. There is fevered

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Speaker 1: conversation between a number of entities as to what to

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Speaker 1: of extending that work. There are people who are still

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Speaker 1: and you know how hard that is to achieve this,

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Speaker 1: you know, because we know where we're going. Everybody sees

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Speaker 1: you serious. You are a fun guy. You know we

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Speaker 1: that you you gotta keep in looping this because I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, man, I cannot let them not see the

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Speaker 1: can we see you smile on TV? Dry Can we

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to save the kids, and that's usually

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Speaker 1: what you get to see me do. Um. But they

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Speaker 1: don't get to see They don't get to see uh

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Speaker 1: and laughing for hours, literally trying not to get eaten

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Speaker 1: by every on earth. Um. They don't see that because

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Speaker 1: it's just not an opportunity. But listen to me when

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Speaker 1: I say that. When I say that, the reason I'm

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Speaker 1: dropping that into your conversation because that's you, Because see

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Speaker 1: a child's life. I've seen you do that on a

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Speaker 1: just telling you, if that television opportunity presents herself, please

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Speaker 1: One of the challenges, So again, let's just have a

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Speaker 1: to get up in boys chests and and set your

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Speaker 1: ass down. Love. I don't talk to kids like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't talk to kids like that. I'll

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Speaker 1: I say all that to say, one of the challenges

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Speaker 1: ensk And sure we can have those kinds of conversations,

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Speaker 1: That's I'm just not, never have been, never will be. Um,

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Speaker 1: It's been a lot of time in making people laugh

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Speaker 1: You know. The thing about it we're gonna wrap up

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Speaker 1: into the world to make a change. Like to Steve Perry,

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Speaker 1: when you leave this earth, you will be that game changer.

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Speaker 1: You will be that competitive guy that said I made

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