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Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm for it. I've

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Speaker 3: You want to be happy for Dake Edith Steak, is

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Speaker 3: that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: It is time for another edition of our annual tradition

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Speaker 1: on this show, the NFL Draft preview episode that we

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Speaker 1: do every year with our good friend Nate Tice from

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Speaker 1: over at Yah Oh Sports.

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Speaker 2: It's back.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? Love the draft, Love seeing evaluations, Love seeing

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Speaker 2: how people are looking at various college players that we've

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Speaker 2: watched over years upon years. Love having Nate on the show.

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Speaker 2: It's very detailed, very thorough. I don't have a ton

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Speaker 2: of interest in Shador Sanders, even though that seems to

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Speaker 2: be what moves the needle. I hope he has a long, happy,

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Speaker 2: successful career. But I think there's a lot more to

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Speaker 2: I don't watch it live generally, but I will catch

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Speaker 2: up in chunks, and that's kind of my favorite thing.

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Speaker 1: I love the NFL Draft. I do and It is

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Speaker 1: one of those points of intersect. I say this every

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Speaker 1: year between the college fandom and the pro fandom. You've

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Speaker 1: you've got college fans who don't care at all about

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Speaker 1: the NFL who suddenly care a little bit about where

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Speaker 1: over the last two, three, four years. Where are they going?

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Speaker 1: How will they impact their new teams? And I guess,

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Speaker 1: more to the point with this show today with Nate,

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Speaker 1: how do people who are really smart about football view

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Speaker 1: some of these names that we've come to know. Shadora

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Speaker 1: number tired in Boulder as a result of it. How

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Speaker 1: a guy like a Shadoor or cam Ward or some

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Speaker 1: more prominent through the draft cycle. Here, it is one

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Speaker 1: That's why I like doing the show and it helps

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Speaker 1: very very good at what he does and can articulate

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Speaker 2: I also, I mean, I also appreciate how draft picks

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Speaker 2: including one in Calvin Banks, who should be a pretty

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Speaker 2: it's the goal of every top flight or medium flight

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Speaker 1: Well, this is sort of our annual tradition here on

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Speaker 1: the solid Verbal. We are pleased to welcome our next

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Speaker 1: Of course, you can find all of his fine work

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Speaker 1: football three to oh one show Nate Tice, Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 2: How goes it?

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Speaker 3: It's going well. I was waiting for the message from Dan.

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Speaker 3: I was just kind of like, you know, it's like

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Speaker 2: It's the Tom Cruise Coconut Cake of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: You know about that time. Tom Cruise has like a

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Speaker 2: Oh, like Johnny Carson not inviting you over to the

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Speaker 1: That's how you knew we need to come up with

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Speaker 2: It's exactly right, Ty, where are we starting? We got

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Speaker 2: a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about, Nate. You published

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Speaker 1: your final big board on Monday. You had six quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: How do you get to wherever you get to with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, three different teams too. Yeah. Ward is a fun watch,

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Speaker 3: Because he threw an unorthodox way, he managed to stay

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Speaker 3: more advanced. It's just that there you had to run

433
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 3: quick game because they had to get the ball out

434
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 3: of his hands. So when it's not a mental capacity,

435
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 3: it's a comfort and offense capacity, which is a big

436
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 3: difference in argument. And I mean, shoot, I could pull

437
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 3: up Indiana where he's throwing two a plus throws, including

438
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 3: one forty yards down the field as he's getting hit.

439
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 3: Going against Ohio State, he gets the opening drive, gets

440
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 3: absolutely slacked and then he misses three throws. And that's honestly,

441
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 3: I watched that game back. I'm like, what am I thinking?

442
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,360
Speaker 3: And then if you get through the get throw those,

443
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 3: get past those three missthrows, he turns in two and

444
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 3: a half quarters where he looks like a dude, And

445
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: that is again, I don't want to just go stewing

446
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: and go, oh yeah, you know, graft go up forever.

447
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: But there's more polish in the second half of the

448
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: year than I think it's getting made out to be.

449
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: It's just that their offense, their passing game wasn't advanced.

450
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: It was a quick game passing game, an RPO passing game.

451
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 3: But I am willing to wave that away because of

452
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: what I think the circumstances were. I think they were

453
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 3: just terrified to drop back, not because of Leonard, but

454
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 3: because of the circumstances around him and the ecosystem around him.

455
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 2: So beat up offensive line, non NFL receivers. I think

456
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: that's all reasonable. Is there a quarterback in this class?

457
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: You talk about the non structure plays of cam Ward

458
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: but also being really good within structure. Is there a

459
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: sort of inverse of that. We were like, I don't

460
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,479
Speaker 2: believe in him improvising, but if he gets to the

461
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: right situation, in the right system, he will step into

462
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: the pocket and quickly get through progressions and make quick decisions.

463
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: Is that Tyler Shuck? Is that somebody else where You're like,

464
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: if he's in a safe place, I believe in him.

465
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: Well, shock a little bit. But Kyle McCord Syracuse kind

466
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 3: of growing me. My comparison for him is kind of

467
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 3: a back A compliment is that he reminds me a

468
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: lot of Scott Tolzen, who is now the quarterback coach

469
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: of the Saints. I used to back him up at Wisconsin,

470
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: but that's what he reminds me of. He's just accurate.

471
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: He would place completely different than State. It's so funny.

472
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 3: Also shout out to whoever calls plays for Syracuse. I

473
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: actually really enjoyed their offense when when just watching it

474
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 3: from Afar. He's accurate. He played on time. He's not

475
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: going to create at all, but he's a you know,

476
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: you can bootleg with him. He has enough movement ability

477
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: and he can point shoot with him and he can

478
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: deliver accurately. I think coaches are going to like him

479
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: because of those aspects. I think shanahan coaches will like

480
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: him like McCord's still set skill set because they see

481
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: some of the accuracy, see him the throwing on the move,

482
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: and that's kind of what they like. But that that's

483
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: mccor to me, I some of the creation stuff. It's like,

484
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: but when he's in structure going one, two, three, ball out,

485
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: oh yeah, it's good. Just you know, don't watch the

486
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: six pick game or whatever that one is. So other

487
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 3: than that, it's some of the other performances by him.

488
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: I was he was probably my last quarterback I evaluated

489
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: because it's like I know what Colin McCord is. You know,

490
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: I know what he is. But I was actually pleasantly

491
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: surprised watching his film about how good how well he

492
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 3: performed in structure. So I think that's the guy that

493
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 3: kind of plays that way. I like that.

494
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: Ty asked about previous classes. Who are the transformational players

495
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: at the top of this draft that would go top

496
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: ten pretty much every year? Are are just so different?

497
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: Are such unicorns? Obviously, Travis Hunter is gonna be the

498
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: first name that comes to mind. Who are those guys

499
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 2: that you're just like, Yeah, this guy comes around once

500
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: every four or five years, and when he does, I

501
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: don't care what your defensive line looks like, I don't

502
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: care what your secondary looks like. You gotta have them.

503
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: Who are those guys this year?

504
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: See, that's the thing. There's not a lot of.

505
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 2: Those Okay, And that's fine. That's a reasonable answer.

506
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 3: It's a good class, though it's weird, and I think

507
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: others have kind of used this but doesn't have those

508
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: true true blue chips. It's a lot of green chips

509
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: what I call a lot of good players. Okay, but

510
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, I don't know if you guys heard of them. Yeah,

511
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, recently good player, A good player.

512
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: What do you do with him? By the way, corner

513
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: receiver both I.

514
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: Like him at corner. I think he is. I mean

515
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: he's a special athlete. I mean, at the top of

516
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 3: my scale for ATHLETICSM is Randy Moss. They're there, and

517
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: I think Travis Hunter is a tiny Randy Moss. And

518
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: that's my best way I can say it. I said

519
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: this on our show. I didn't even remember this. It

520
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: was like in the heat of the moment. I remembered

521
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: it as I said it. He's like a tiny Randy Moss.

522
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: Bobby Bowden said that Randy Dion Sanders is his parameter

523
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: for athleticism, and Randy Moss is a big Deon Sanders.

524
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: So in a roundabout way, I'm just calling Travis Hunter

525
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: Deon Sanders as an athlete. I mean, but he really

526
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: is just special ball skills, special movement. He's very raw

527
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: as a receiver as far as route running. But I'm

528
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: I'm willing to wave that away because he split time

529
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: and they barely let him practice on offense. So while

530
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: most guys I would really hang that over their head

531
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: and I have clips, he has no idea what he's

532
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: doing on somewhere else. He's just he's just flowing out there,

533
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 3: and it's like whatever you can get away with it.

534
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 3: Most guys I really dog them and go like, no,

535
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 3: drop around him. Totally get why that's happening, you know.

536
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: And I don't question his competitiveness at all. I think

537
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: he's just a special player. He's lived up to the hype.

538
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: Receiver wise, why am I because of some of the

539
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: lack of polish stuff, but some of why I think

540
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: mentally it's easier to go corner with a little subpackage

541
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: I receiver as opposed to the other way around. Corner

542
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: is really a flow thing you got to be in

543
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: the game. Also, it's not just playing zone playing man.

544
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: NFL coverages are so complicated now, especially with how much

545
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: you have to match patterns and really know what the

546
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: opposing game plan is. So that's why it's not just like, oh,

547
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: just get put cover two out there, put him a man.

548
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: There's more to it. And also he's this is my

549
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: old guy. Blemish is that he's under ninety pounds, and

550
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: there's not a long history of some one to ninety

551
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: pounds receivers having a long term success. They've had spots

552
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: the two All Pro since nineteen ninety drafted in the

553
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: first two rounds under one ninety er Chad O Chosinco

554
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: and Marvin Harrison Senior. And actually chattos Chasinko is kind

555
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: of a good comparison for Hunter as a receiver, like Ochasinkas,

556
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: it became a very good route runner. But if you

557
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: watch the move, it's actually like kind of well, actually,

558
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: I didn't even realize that that's what you guys play like, right,

559
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, Hunter's special though, Like it's yeah, he's surpassed

560
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: the hype even when I was watching him. But like

561
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: other positions, like this is hard because like Jahad Campbell

562
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 3: is not a top ten player for me, but he's

563
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: the best linebacker prospect I've watched since probably I've been

564
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: in media so four or five years, because as a

565
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: true off ball inside linebacker, those are rare these days.

566
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the idea of one went top twenty Jack

567
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: Campbell a few years ago. He's turned into a nice

568
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: player for the line too, but that was just like

569
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: a skill set, maybe he can become one. It was

570
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: an idea Campbell's tape, I mean from game one to

571
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: where he ended up this year. You could see it

572
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: clicking for him every single week. He has physicality as athleticism.

573
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: He has size. A lot of linebackers now in the

574
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: NFL are two twenty five, two thirty, they're tiny. He

575
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: actually has size. He's cut a little way to run better,

576
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: but he has length. He's good in coverage. He can

577
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: rush the passer if you want to do a lot

578
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: of these simulated pressures that teams do now, and you know,

579
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: some coverage stuff he's still working on. But he can

580
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: play the run. But like he's a guy even though

581
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: I don't have him as a top ten player, he's

582
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: a blue chip linebacker in a way like he is

583
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: a top linebacker prospect. So that's one that's kind of like,

584
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: to me, a no doubter because you really just don't

585
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: see guys like this. The other guy at the top

586
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: of my board is a dual Carter h from Penn State.

587
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: I the G word generation is not being used on him.

588
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: It should not be. I think he's very good against

589
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: the passer. Rushing the passer, I think he goes ro lot.

590
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 3: He can cut inside, which is fine, a lot of

591
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: top talents do that, but then also against the run,

592
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: he can kind of get overwhelmed. So that's what kind

593
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: of keeps me from giving him that label like oh yeah,

594
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: no doubt or because I do think he has some

595
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: stuff he needs to work on. But if you he

596
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: has ten cents.

597
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: He's played the position for a year or a month, yeah.

598
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: Exactly, Like it's one of the again, you can none

599
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: of these guys are perfect prospects. There's never a perfect prospect.

600
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: But it's like these guys have blemishes, but all the

601
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: blemishes that I can explain, and so that's it's hard.

602
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: It's if you're a pessimist, you you linger on the blemishes.

603
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: If you're an optimist, you go, well, this, this and this,

604
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of that with this class. Even

605
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: a guy like Mason Graham, a guy that I'm high on,

606
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: Tatorrea McMillan, like a receiver from Arizona, who I think

607
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: is a no doubt or top ten guy, but then

608
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: others that I talked to don't see him that way,

609
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: like because the long speed. So all these guys just

610
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: have one little thing that's kind of knocking them from

611
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: being those true true top five guys in any type

612
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: of class.

613
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: Nate generally the NFL frowns upon taking running backs too highly.

614
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: It's viewed as a risk, especially with where the league

615
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: is at. Now we have seen it happen. I think

616
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: it was what two years ago Bejean Robinson, Jamir Gibbs

617
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: went pretty high in the twenty twenty three class. In

618
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: your latest mock, you've got Ashton gent at six. I believe,

619
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: to the Raiders that would be the highest a running

620
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: back has gone since twenty eighteen. I want to say

621
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley. That being said, you also have eight other

622
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: running backs inside of your top seventy, so they're good options.

623
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: It's a good class. He's not the only one out there.

624
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Why is a guy like Ashton gent Worth bucking the trend?

625
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: Maybe taking a risk drafting him that high in this class?

626
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: I feel bad not naming him as an obvious blue

627
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: purple chipper by the way, y, yeah, okay, because yeah

628
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: he is one too. Sorry yeah answer then yeah, duh, No, No,

629
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: he is one. Sorry. I can't believe I just blanked

630
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: on his name right there in that discussion. No, he's phenomenal.

631
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: Not only is the explosive I can take any run

632
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: to the house. His balance is exceptional. He is great

633
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: in past protection. He has receiving ability, so he's a

634
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: true when you take a running back high, you want

635
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: to be on the field every single down, so okay,

636
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: can you pass protect? And he already shows it. Again,

637
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: it's not an idea, it's not projection. All right, cool,

638
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: you have receiving ability, so he doesn't have to leave

639
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: the field. You can trust him for twenty plus touches

640
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: as well. Again, when you take a running back high, well,

641
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: we keep him on the field a lot. But he God,

642
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: he's exceptional. He really is. Ontario Smith shout out Oregon

643
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: is actually who he moves a lot like of a

644
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Speaker 3: player that I've been around and people Ontario Smith became

645
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Speaker 3: a meme. But Ontario Smith in college he was so good. Yeah,

646
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's special. And again another one of

647
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: the best athletes I've ever been around. And on top

648
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: of it, Genti's personality and character are supposed to be

649
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: off the charts as well. So Dad trusts you when

650
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: you take a guy top ten and then that type

651
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: of talent. But it's a it's a I interested to

652
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: see how the running backs break down, because you already

653
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: mentioned how many I had in my top seventy five.

654
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: I could have thrown another three four in there. One

655
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: of what we just did a prediction pod where spicy

656
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: takes or bowl takes, where bold predictions, and one of

657
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: mine was that they're going to set the record for

658
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 3: running backs in the top three rounds the record, and

659
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: it went down the wormhole on this. But the record's

660
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: fifteen and nineteen ninety four, so I don't know about fifteen.

661
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: So since two thousand, though, the records eleven, and I

662
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: think there could be eleven in the first three rounds,

663
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: maybe twelve because of just how deep it is. But

664
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Speaker 3: that brings us back to the gen d Okay, if

665
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Speaker 3: he was just the only running back in this class

666
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: and then there's a whole bunch of crap. Okay, yeah,

667
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: easily take him high because who else are we going

668
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: to get? Now It's like, well, do the Bears have

669
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: to take them at ten? Do the Raiders have to

670
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 3: take them at six? Do the Cowboys want to take

671
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: him at twelve? Why don't we just draft a lineman

672
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: or draft this and then wait around and get insert

673
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: name here, you know, because there's so many guys in

674
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: so many flavors. So, but he is a special talent, Like,

675
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: he's a very very good talent. He's worth the hype

676
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: as well. Obviously had the accolades in college, but he's

677
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: very very good as well. But this running back class

678
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: is ridiculous. I'm actually curious with you guys who you

679
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: guys like you guys like Hampton, calib Johnson, like from

680
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: your guys this kind of perspective. Just Watchington College like

681
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: that because it's there's so many fun ones that it's like,

682
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 3: even for me, I I asked me a different day,

683
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: I'll be like, yeah, I like this guy better because

684
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: there's so many good ones.

685
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: There's Yeah, I do like Omrion Hampton a lot. The

686
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: thing that sticks with me and I don't watch too

687
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: much NFL before the playoffs just because of life watching

688
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: football all day on Saturday.

689
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: For the universe of each other.

690
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it seems like previously on the NFL, the

691
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: most special running back was the most special player on

692
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: the best team. And so you can't and I'm not

693
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: saying Ashton Gents Saquon Barkley, because Sequon seems like when

694
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: he's healthy, one of one. But if you have that

695
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: great situation and you have a quarterback who can operate

696
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: out of play action. Because of the gravity of a

697
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: running back, it opens up your offense in such a

698
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: special way if everything is clicking, like you know, obviously

699
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: Philly had. So that's why, like I understand where you're like,

700
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: why not take a second round pick and get somebody

701
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: else in that top ten? But if genty is healthy

702
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: and he's been super like he's had his health over

703
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: the years, and like he gets abused and keeps going.

704
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm like, I don't know, man, taking

705
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: a B plus gets you a B plus usually, and

706
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: that's fine. But when you have the opportunity for a

707
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: plus plus, which is what gentd you know, you just

708
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: you try to hit him in the spleen and then

709
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: he goes for another seventy. You're like, there's no other

710
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: guy who does that.

711
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Speaker 3: In this It doesn't matter who he's playing against. He

712
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: looks right exactly field there that I always if you

713
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: guys at a smaller school and a boise, he shouldn't

714
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: be called that, but they are technically right. I call

715
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: it best player on the field itis, like the the

716
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: guys should look like the best player on the field,

717
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: like you know, like if they are at that yes,

718
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: I know who the NFL prospect is of this group.

719
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Speaker 1: No.

720
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Speaker 3: I I've always been more of a running backs do

721
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: matter guy. You know that. The whole discussion with that

722
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: was that the bar the replacement level has risen so

723
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: much that is there a difference between elite and just

724
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: an average running back or replacement level of running back.

725
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: And I've always been the argument of, well, if you're

726
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 3: giving a guy twenty touches, a third of your plays

727
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 3: are going to one guy, he'd bearter be freaking good.

728
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: And that I get. If you have a committee and

729
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: you have two pretty good guys, that's totally fine. But

730
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: it's not a position you can just wave away and

731
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: just go no, no, we don't need to address it.

732
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: We don't need to address it. We'll just get a

733
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: guy in the sixth round. We'll get to undrafted guy.

734
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Speaker 3: And I've seen teams fall victim to that, the Cowboys recently.

735
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: But it is so I've always been if there's a

736
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: dude that is a top talent, like these guys are Argentee,

737
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: is it's like, yeah, you take them because you're giving

738
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: so much of your touches and so much of your

739
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: plays are going to him. So they better be a

740
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: good player. That's just that's just my NFL positional argument

741
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: has always been, it's like the more plays you impact,

742
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: the more valuable you are.

743
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Speaker 1: And to that point, Nate, I think Trey Henderson probably

744
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: also fits into that mold because he does a lot.

745
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw big plays when it mattered most

746
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But he's a guy who fits into

747
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: your offense, like knows how to block. You can just

748
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: plug a guy like that in and you can expect

749
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: that he will do what he is supposed to do.

750
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: He's not going to hurt you.

751
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: You trust him, and that's more than anything. Reliability is

752
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: the number one thing the NFL teams want. It's consistency

753
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: of reliability. Hopefully you're an elite talent and that's what

754
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: the reliability is. Sure, but people always wonder why why

755
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: is this guy on the field all the time. It's

756
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: because the coaches know that he's going to do his

757
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: assignment and that's why he's on the field. No, Henderson's

758
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: a coach's dream. It's the old scouting age is can

759
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: you well, can you pass protects? Can you catch it?

760
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: Can you take to the hose house? But yeah, yeah,

761
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: pretty pretty easy to figure that out. He reminds me.

762
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Speaker 1: Answer.

763
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Speaker 3: He reminds me a lot of old a high state

764
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: running back Robert Smith. If if you guys remember that name,

765
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 3: their same size speed. I'm just bringing up all old

766
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: Vikings running backs. Yea compares. Let me see if I

767
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: can find them. Weel day more And.

768
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: There's a point.

769
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 3: But I just remember my my comparison for genty Tho'll

770
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 3: just tie it all together. It's actually I said down

771
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 3: Arrrao Smith jokingly. But Priest Holmes is the other guy

772
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: that that he plays a lot like that, And that's

773
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: a guy that was a threat for two thousand yards.

774
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a that's a high end talent in

775
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: the league.

776
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: He was unstoppable in my early years of fantasy football

777
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: pre and everybody won.

778
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god. He scored so many touchdowns and those

779
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: Chiefs offensive lines were ridiculous back in the day. God, yeah,

780
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: he had he had like a what do you have? Yeah,

781
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: twenty one, twenty seven and twenty four touchdown seats?

782
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: Crazy crazy, Yeah, Nate, we like to ask you about

783
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: trends every time we do this show. Were there any

784
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: trends in the college game that you either continued seeing

785
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: on tape maybe that you talked about with us before,

786
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: or new things that you saw emerging that you're going

787
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: to be watching for that we should watch for. In

788
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

789
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: Holy crap, college teams love to blitz the cornerback. That

790
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: is in vogue right now. Okay, blitzing the cornerback from

791
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: the boundary, Oh my god. It was every game and

792
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: not usually teams in the NFL. You see spags, Steve

793
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: Spagnol will do it, and it's just that change up

794
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 3: that you're like, or a knuckleball. You're like, WHOA, where'd

795
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: that come from?

796
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: Like?

797
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: WHOA? College teams are doing like every play, just one

798
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: after another after another after another. And it's because one

799
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: college offensive coaches don't teach their guys how to adjust

800
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: to that. And also they don't run plays that they

801
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: run plays into it that shouldn't be run. You know.

802
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 3: That's that's a longer discussion. By getting into run games,

803
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: certain runs only work against certain fronts or certain looks.

804
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 3: It's but that's something that it's working because quarterbacks couldn't adjust,

805
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: offensive lines couldn't adjust, running backs couldn't pick it up,

806
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 3: and it worked, not even just against passing. It worked

807
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: against the run because there's that corner knifing in there

808
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: and just all right, no one's blocking them. There's a

809
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: little year loss there by the corner. That's one that

810
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: really stood out to me. I NC State's defense and

811
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: how they played is almost Brian floras ish with the vikings.

812
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: It's quarters or cover zero every play quarters cover zero.

813
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: They all out blitz every snap. It almost looks like

814
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: a Madden Online defense because that's what the meta is

815
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: online is either uncover for or you cover zero, blitz

816
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: and then either one's man coverage. That was interesting to

817
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: me in the college level because a college offensive lines

818
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: and college quarterbacks can't really handle that consistently. NC State's

819
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: defense when I watched it wasn't like all that this year,

820
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: but it gave some offenses issues for a while because

821
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: their guys couldn't handle that kind of heat play after

822
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: play after play. That's more defensive stuff. Offensively, a lot

823
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: of I mean, the QB run game keeps evolving, so

824
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: I see that kind of evolving. RPOs kind of feel

825
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: like they plateaued. Didn't really see any fresh ideas on

826
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: the RPO world, which which I was kind of disappointing

827
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: because sometimes I like seeing that because then I know

828
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: in the NFL I'm going to see it in two years.

829
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: But didn't really see a lot of those ones. It

830
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: was more just the QB run game was really I

831
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: saw some cool interesting ways to fold the running back.

832
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: Oh here's one split split backs, two running backs on

833
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: each side. Teams are doing some cool stuff with that

834
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: as well, and I think the NFL is going that

835
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: way too. And that's old school. That's old school. It's

836
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: just really West Coast. But then put it in the gun.

837
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: You know what's his name? Jibo Fisher liked to do

838
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: that for a while as well. But I really am

839
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: seeing that too, and I think that's going to proliferate

840
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: in the NFL a lot because you can get some

841
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 3: different looks from those that kind of messages with the defense.

842
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 3: So split backs, two backs on each side.

843
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: You've sort of long lamented trying to evaluate offensive linemen

844
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: just because of the lack of overall skill in the

845
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: position group or evalu atable if that's a word offensive

846
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: line skill. Is there a position group that has impressed

847
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: you this year because they seem to have a skill

848
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: set that you don't see every year from a position group. O,

849
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: that's a good question, like our corners looking advanced this year. Safety?

850
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, Yeah, I mean I would say one

851
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: thing is that, you know, I made the joke about

852
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: the running backs don't matter and the replacement level that's

853
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: happening with receivers right now is receivers are so skilled

854
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: now and so smart with some things that I'm impressed.

855
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: It's really hard to like a lot of my old

856
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 3: knocks I used to have on a lot of receivers

857
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: don't crop up a lot anymore. Doesn't know what he's

858
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: doing on this route, doesn't know how to fill this.

859
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: So maybe it's some of the offenses not going you know,

860
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: they're kind of get simplify and distilled a little bit.

861
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: But I just think the skill level of that position

862
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 3: has gone through the roof because of seven on seven.

863
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: So I mean it's just that's the natural answer. And

864
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: so yeah, receivers kind of just I wouldn't say it's

865
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 3: just like anything they particularly do, but I just think

866
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: that the floor is so much higher for these day

867
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 3: two guys than it used to be. Like the receiver

868
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: feels safe on day two when that position used to

869
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: be so volatile, that I think that's really been impressing

870
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 3: me more. I would say, you know, tight end wise,

871
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: there there's some some interesting guys that were doing more

872
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: stuff in line. I would say there was a epidemic

873
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: in college football for a while where every tight end

874
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: was asked to do the same thing. It was just

875
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: picture of the Clemson offense. Tight end is off the

876
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 3: ball and then split blocking to the opposite the end,

877
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: just over and over and over. Now they're actually getting

878
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: asked to do a little bit more. Not just saying

879
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: the Tower Warren craziness, but even the other guys call

880
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: some love when Mason Taylor, Elijah or these guys are

881
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: getting asked to do more what the NFL asked these

882
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: tight ends to do, and even if it's in some

883
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: spread offenses. So I would say maybe tight end polish

884
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: actually was a little bit more impressive. It's a good

885
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 3: group that helps too, But that actually impressed me more.

886
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, offensive line is always gonna have me pulling

887
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: my hair out. Not Oregon's offensive line. I told you

888
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: that before the show.

889
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, so okay, so there's some if.

890
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: The offensive line play out there definitely.

891
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: What is the state of this year's offensive line? Class.

892
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like there is a guy who's just

893
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: like yep, take him in the top five and you're

894
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: not going to think about him and you're going to

895
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: see him in Canton in eighteen years or something. Right,

896
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: our offensive lineman being coached any better? Are you happy

897
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: with the state of skill set and traits and what

898
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: they're asked to do? Is there any give me some

899
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: offensive line silver lining this year?

900
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: Silver lining? Okay, I would say silver lining is that

901
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: these guys are way more athletic than they to be. Overall.

902
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: I will say that that again comes from the game

903
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: is getting more athletic just overall. I mean, a guy

904
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: can't be a sloppy you know, Dwan Jones is an

905
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: exception to the rule. There's not a lot of those

906
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 3: sloppy maulers anymore. These guys tight tackles, look like armand

907
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: manbal from MISSOO six four three thirty and can move,

908
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: which is always what you're trying to get offensive line.

909
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: But I just think there's not a lot of power

910
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: players there anymore, which is you know, Tower Booker's one.

911
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 3: But it's more athletic at the position, which I think

912
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: is good. It used to be oh he's athletic. Oh yeah,

913
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: he's two eighty five, you know, like of course he's

914
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: now these guys are three ten, three fifteen. It can

915
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: really move and I will I mean that's the whole sport.

916
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: Is there like a prototype for that in the league

917
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: right now? Like obviously, like you look at you know,

918
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: a defensive line and interior defensive lineman, Like, yeah, who's

919
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: going to be the closest to Aaron Donald? That's who

920
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: we need to put on our defensive line. Is there

921
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman in the NFL that you're like, yes,

922
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: we need to find the closest to that.

923
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: I mean always it's gonna be Trent Williams. But that's

924
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: gonna be that's that's so hard to find. But again,

925
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: Tran Williams, though, is a perfect example of this is

926
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: that he's not built like a typical what you I

927
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: mean to my in my head, a picture perfect offense

928
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: tackles Jonathan Ogden, who's six eight, six nine, three thirty

929
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, Brian McKinney, you know, Trent Williams.

930
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 2: Is an Olympic level thrower. Yeah yeah, right, yeah.

931
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, just six' nine, again, yeah just, yeah all. That

932
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: But williams is six,' four moves really well as a,

933
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: freak athlete and everyone knows that that is more of.

934
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: The archetype it's these guys that used to be just

935
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: automatic guards because it's, just HEIGHT and i think that

936
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 3: that maybe is the way why they're okay and being

937
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: okay keeping them. At Tackle so williams is a. Good

938
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: one but also that's a point zero one percentile player

939
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: profile that you're trying. TO find i think it's just stuffing.

940
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: Away away i'm just trying to just think of top

941
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: Tackles Like lane johnson of course is. Another one but

942
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: again and Then And, lane johnson though maybe he's a

943
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: good example of it's okay to take right tackles now

944
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: it used to, be well has to, play blindside has to.

945
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: PLAY blindside i have NOW think i now think of

946
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: tackles because so many defenses put their best rusher over

947
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: the right tackle because right, handed quarterback that's how you affect.

948
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: Them more that's the. Theory, again anyways that right tackle

949
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: and left tackle to me has become. Like pitchers it's

950
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: right handed left. Handed, pitchers, like yeah you'll if you

951
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: Have A, Roger clemens, i'm good, you KNOW if I Have,

952
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: Lane johnson. I'm good who cares if it's just the

953
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: right side because it's almost as important as the left,

954
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: Side now so maybe that's another, difference too like an

955
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: armand Manbow Or darnell wright who came out a couple

956
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: of years ago as With the. Bears Now tristan wurf's is.

957
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: Another example these guys are. Freak athletes oh but he's a.

958
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: Right tackle sol, move, yeah yeah?

959
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: Who cares take them top fifteen and maybe down the

960
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: road we can bump to the. Left Side tristan worf's

961
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 3: just went from all pro right tackle to all pro. Left,

962
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: Tackle again i'm bringing out the one, percent examples but that's.

963
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: What it's it's becoming, more explainable more arguable that can

964
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: do these. Things now, but YEAH also i told you

965
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: just before, the show but like there's some good coaching

966
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: happening with Offensive line. Oregon's one florida is. Another ONE

967
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: who I think i talked to you guys years ago

968
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: About the florida. Offensive, line, yeah, Yeah yeah actually he

969
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: does a, Good JOB like i should know his name.

970
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: By now but there's a couple Of teams, i'm, like

971
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: oh you guys are teaching the, right things not, just

972
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: mentally but hands and everything as, well.

973
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: Well so that it's an interesting TRANSITION because i invented

974
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: in the shower like an hour and a. Half ago

975
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: you use day two darts right where you're taking a

976
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: chance On somebody i've come. UP with i think there

977
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: should be in, your Head and i'm sure there is

978
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: a line of what does and doesn't impress you when

979
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: you are scouting, a linebacker, a safety. Or receiver i'm

980
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: gonna call It the shanaiah line that don't impress? Name

981
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: much what does and doesn't impress? You, much okay when

982
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: you are scouting an, offensive lineman let's. Start there if

983
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: that offensive lineman doesn't have blank you just can't consider

984
00:46:59,600 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: him a first.

985
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: Round. Pick balance if he's on the ground, a lot

986
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 3: that is a telltale sign of athleticism and not just getting.

987
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: Tripped off it's because so many, have say you offensive

988
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: linement really boom pops a guy and he's. Driving them

989
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: and then what the defensive lineman. Usually do knock, your

990
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: hands try. And shed if you can't keep your, feet

991
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: consistently you're not a. Good athlete it doesn't matter how

992
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: you test. Or anything that that's really. Athleticism there we

993
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: think offensive line plays just pancakes. And everything it's. Really

994
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: shielding it's shielding and then hopefully you get some movement.

995
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: On it so balance is really the one if a.

996
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: Guy can't this IS why i was super Low On

997
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: evan neil a couple of, years ago which PEOPLE thought

998
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: i was crazy, on IT but i got.

999
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: One line giants questions will, Follow, shortly, yeah.

1000
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: Okay but that was one because he just kept ending

1001
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: up on. The ground, i'm like everyone, keeps saying this

1002
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: guy's a, good athlete this guy looks like a stiff

1003
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: because of. Those things, but yeah balance is what would

1004
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: that's a big blemish for me if they don't.

1005
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: Have it Where's the shanaiah line for interior? Defensive?

1006
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: Lineman man that, for me that would be that's, almost,

1007
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: length okay and really just how how you use. Your

1008
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: length you don't have to have the longest arms in,

1009
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: the world but just how you use. Your length So

1010
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 3: the sney line is just like if you get. SWALLOWED

1011
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: up i guess it's The good win. Put It mason

1012
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: graham is the perfect cutoff. Of that he does not

1013
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: have the, long arms but he doesn't get swallowed up all,

1014
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: the time so, It's, like okay it's not it's not

1015
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 3: as big of. A BLEMISH so i guess length would

1016
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: be the good way to. Put it Or, power, okay,

1017
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, explosive play just keep rattling. Ones OFF but

1018
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: i think. Safety intelligence do you have any idea where the?

1019
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: Ball is it's, like that that's. Really it also tackling open. Field,

1020
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: tackling yeah tackling is because everyone IN the nfl is

1021
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: based out of, quarters essentially and if you're a, quarter

1022
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: safety you have, to tackle and that's that's a non

1023
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: starter if.

1024
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: You can't who are your pet players in? This draft

1025
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: You Mentioned?

1026
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 3: Riley leonard, OH god i, know Right ry larren's gonna

1027
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: be out of the league in three years and hopefully

1028
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: not never have to talk about. Him again who else

1029
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: he got? For, Us okay i'll. Go Position, devin neil

1030
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: running Back. FROM kansas i really. LIKE him i just

1031
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: think he's. A ballplayer he my pro comparisons. He's been

1032
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: he's like A Smaller. David montgomery bears fans were like

1033
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: looking at ME like i had five HEADS when i,

1034
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: SAID that i, Was like devin mctgurvey's, good, GUYS like

1035
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: i know He's with detroit when he had to, break

1036
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: out but, you know but. HE'S one i Really Like

1037
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 3: damian martinez as well at running Back. From miami, Receiver

1038
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: Wise tory Horton From. COLORADO state i think he's. A

1039
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: baller i'm probably the highest guy. On him he made

1040
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: my top. SEVENTY five i think he was like, sixty

1041
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 3: EIGHT but i Feel like i'm the. High guy if

1042
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 3: he was healthy, THIS year i think he would have.

1043
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 3: MORE fans i just think he's a very, good player.

1044
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: GOOD range i Know the colorado game two. Years ago

1045
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: he broke out in, that game, but no just good.

1046
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Productive player do You Like mitchell evans EVEN though i

1047
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: just knocked Him From, NOTRE dame i Was Saying, Donovan

1048
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: Jackson ohio state guard. SLASH tackle i like him best as.

1049
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: A guard i think he's an easy, first ROUNDER and

1050
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: i think he will squeak into the top. Thirty SOMEWHERE

1051
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: but i really. LIKE him I like Marcus and Bo

1052
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: from purdue who. PLAYS tackle i don't know If it's Membo.

1053
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 3: Or mimbao those two have been giving me trouble this.

1054
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: ENTIRE process I need i need to pull up the

1055
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: Beast From, dan Brugler but Mambao from purdue is. A

1056
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: tackle i, like him. Best's guard really good, athlete though

1057
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: uh and great hands and. Stuff explosive i'm going position by,

1058
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 3: his Position so i'm. Sorry. Here Uh braden SWINSON from Lsu, Formerly, oregon,

1059
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: YEAH YEP i i like him a bit as a day,

1060
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: two guy, active hands just does a. Lot well AND

1061
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: also i like guys that if a tight end tries

1062
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: to block him, in college they're CONSULTED like i are

1063
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: Those guys i'm a, Sucker for like whenever they have

1064
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: a tight end trying to and they just, what, no,

1065
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: no seriously like he, Does That and, i'm, LIKE yeah

1066
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: i like. This Guy michael williams a little. Bit too

1067
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: i'm bullish. On him i'm a glass half, old GUY

1068
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: AND mikel i think he can. BE it i think

1069
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: he can Be Like montest sweat With, the bears where

1070
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: he's a dominant, run player not an elite, sack guy

1071
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 3: more of like a six to eight. Sack GUY but

1072
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: i think he's just gonna be such a good, run

1073
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: player and he doesn't have a lot of. Bad plays

1074
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: THAT'S why i just keep coming back to. With him,

1075
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 3: he's young, he's athletic he doesn't have. Bad place there's something.

1076
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: To that i'm trying to think of Linebacker. Or Campbell

1077
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: jawan walker is a lot. Of fun he's edged to

1078
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: me a little bit more trying To think Trey, amos Ole,

1079
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: miss corner really. Like him he made my. Top forty

1080
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be a round. Two guy just a.

1081
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 3: Smart corner just knows how to play, the position knows

1082
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: how good, ball skills good length, and size and that's

1083
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: that's pretty much it for. My guys if you, Go

1084
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: Position carson SCHWESCHNINGER from ucla would be another one round.

1085
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: Two guy just really instinctive and you don't see a

1086
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: lot of coverage linebackers as good. As him not a shitdoor.

1087
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: Guy. Though huh what's the Beef?

1088
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: With?

1089
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: Shador yeah we need the. SOCIAL content i have no

1090
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: Beef with shadura, Here. Too nate we need to talk

1091
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: To Some.

1092
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: Shador, sanders, yeah, yeah okay here we, go engagement but

1093
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: it's No with Sanders. With shadur and this is kind

1094
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: of what EVEN when i wrote, about him did my

1095
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: kind of profile. On him this IS what i think

1096
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: there's been a disservice with how he's, being discussed not

1097
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: just all the stuff with, his dad just him as.

1098
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: A player i think when, people, Think Oh deon sanders'

1099
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: son is, playing quarterback They Picture, mike vick, you know

1100
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 3: and and then when You, watch shader he's. A distributor

1101
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: He's a he's more of an accurate in, pocket player

1102
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: had some okay. Rushing ability he's an, efficient scrambler but

1103
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 3: that's not how he's going to make a living IN.

1104
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: The nfl, to me he's a guy that plays More Like,

1105
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins. Teddy bridgewater I've Seen andy dalton, out THERE

1106
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: which i actually think is not. Back Comparison But ANDY

1107
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: dalton i actually think was a better Athlete Than, shad

1108
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: sanders especially coming OUT. Of tco they're running his own

1109
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: reads with and, TRUST me I know i saw it

1110
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: first hand in The Ros andy dalton running zone reads,

1111
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: on us, SO yes i know what it. Looks like

1112
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: Or In. Alex Smith But alex, smith again good athlete.

1113
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: And bigger so when you're a GUY that i think

1114
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: is more of a distributor IN, the, nfl okay how

1115
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: do you play from? The Pocket and chuder from the

1116
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 3: pocket is a little inconsistent, for me he going from

1117
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: one to two. To three there's certain place he's comfortable

1118
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: with and he can be pretty good, on it and

1119
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: you can rip. And fire he's got a, good arm

1120
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: he's got good accuracy. As well everything has to be

1121
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 3: a little clean. For him AND because i just don't

1122
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: think his athleticism is HIS creativity i don't think is very.

1123
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 3: HIGH either i think he's a little He's a THE

1124
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 3: word i kept coming back to with him. Is elongated

1125
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: everything's elongated, with him like, his motion his step getting to.

1126
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: A read he has to make sure that read is

1127
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: wide open and then he. Throws, It okay so IN

1128
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: the nfl you have to win as a, pocket PLAYER

1129
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: but i think you already need WORK and i think

1130
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: you're just an. Adequate athlete that's a day. Two guy,

1131
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: to me that's not A guy i'm taking. TOP ten

1132
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: a guy taking top ten has traits and hopefully enough

1133
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: polish that we can work, with it or is super

1134
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: polished and has enough traits that we can work. With MORE. Like,

1135
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: cj stroud pristine operator from the pocket is still a.

1136
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: Good athlete it's just that he doesn't want to scramble

1137
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 3: and guess what he had to do IN, the nfl

1138
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 3: and last year in the playoffs he had to, start

1139
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: scrambling or in the playoffs in College against georgia, and

1140
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: stuff he had to start moving and creating a. Little

1141
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: bit but he wants to perform from. THE pocket I

1142
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 3: think sanders came in access that AT the. NFL level

1143
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: i think he's just again just more a. Fine ATHLETE

1144
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: and i also just think his pocket habits he drifts in,

1145
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: the pocket which many people have, talked about is that

1146
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: if you, do that some guys get away WITH. The

1147
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: nfl their Names Are, lamar jackson who runs a, Four

1148
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: Four jane daniels who runs a four, To Four josh

1149
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 3: allen who's to forty five and runs like a four.

1150
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: To six these guys are freaks and they can get away.

1151
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: With it sanders CAMP so i think he needs a

1152
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: little WORK and i don't think he has. Great tools.

1153
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: Day two that's what it kind of comes.

1154
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 2: Down to one of the interesting Things About shadoor sanders

1155
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: is something that's interesting about pretty much every player that

1156
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: you're going. To evaluate it's that you have to take

1157
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: the context of their. Situations Right That shaudor sanders was

1158
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: playing behind a nothing. Offensive line for the, most part,

1159
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: it improved but he struggled with, you know looking at

1160
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: pressure more than looking downfield. At times who are other

1161
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: players where, YOU'RE like i think they can be You Mentioned.

1162
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: RYLEER leonard i think they can be, really good but

1163
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: the system didn't ask them to, do This so i'm

1164
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: unclear on how they'll be asked to do that IN.

1165
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: The nfl or this guy lost his offensive coordinator two

1166
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: weeks before. The season this guy lost both of his

1167
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: best receivers to a transfer in. The spring are there

1168
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: guys where you're, Just, Like man i'm pretty sure this

1169
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: guy is it or as the kids, say him but

1170
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: also that's what they say, ty right. He's him don't.

1171
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: ASK me i. Don't know i'm older. Than you but

1172
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: he Was At, colorado state he Was At, texas state

1173
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: he Was, at purdue and it's hard to truly evaluate

1174
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: when their situations were. Pretty, miserable yeah a receiver can be.

1175
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 3: Like that ted McMillan. To tour he Doesn't, prefer ted

1176
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 3: but's so hard not to call Him, tex Yeah t

1177
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: MAC because i met at me he who like does

1178
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: not want to Be, Called Ted so i'm trying to.

1179
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: Respect him respect his wishes, on that but it's, so,

1180
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: yeah yeah it's such an, Easy, nickname ted like, you

1181
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: KNOW it's. I Know so i'm trying. My best i'm

1182
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: actually writing about him. Right now he's my receiver. ONE

1183
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: easily i view him as a top five player in

1184
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 3: his class pretty, Easily Too and i'm probably one of

1185
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: the few guys that views him. THAT way i consider

1186
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: him close to the top three guys LAST year A,

1187
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 3: Dun say Neighbors And harrison junior more than the other

1188
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 3: GUYS that I when i watched HIM and i he

1189
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: was my number one guy going into the. YEAR is

1190
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: i think that situation that he played in, was rough

1191
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,479
Speaker 3: and some of the knocks that he's getting right now

1192
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 3: are kind, of, like well you are you seeing what he's?

1193
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 3: Playing in AND especially i don't know anything. About this i'm,

1194
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: just again this is just me on. The outside. You know,

1195
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: his boy his best friend is. The quarterback QUARTERBACK that

1196
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: i played well. This year Quarterback Was noah fafida was

1197
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 3: not good this year And no fafida had thirty nine throwaways.

1198
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: This Year no ifafita had more throws that took four

1199
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: seconds or longer than anybody else teed McMillan ran more

1200
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: routes than anybody else that took four seconds or longer

1201
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: because so much was turning into. Scramble, drills well the

1202
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: number one knock on McMillan right, now, is oh, you know,

1203
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: his energy his effort tapers off, in games and then,

1204
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: you look they're getting. Blown out twenty, eight nothing thirty,

1205
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: five nothing forty two seven every game they're getting. BLOWN

1206
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: out i even looked it up literally before, the Show

1207
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: because i'm right. About it no receiver ran more routes

1208
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: it took four. More, seconds sorry sixty six point six

1209
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: PERCENT of TETs routes this year Or when arizona. Was,

1210
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: trailing okay if you look at the unders, last year

1211
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: so sixty six so. Two thirds neighbors thirty, EIGHT PERCENT

1212
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: msj mhj, Seventeen percent dunesay twenty, Six Percent Brian thomas

1213
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 3: junior forty, two, percent okay one of the High ones worthy,

1214
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: Twenty percent coleman twenty, seven percent peer self fifty, five

1215
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: percent but get fifty. One percent so he's playing in

1216
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: these losing situations with a quarterback that's not operating, on

1217
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: time quarterbacks not, throwing accurately and you Could tell arizona's

1218
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: trying to make him happy and give them. All, early

1219
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: like watch the opening series of every Game. Of arizona

1220
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: one of the first two passes is going to McMillan,

1221
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: a slant a. Screen something they're trying to. Keep, them

1222
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: hey let's keep our. Star happy because but his court

1223
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: you can tell he's getting frustrated with, his buddy like

1224
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: you can. On film it's palpable when you watch it.

1225
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: On film so he's a Guy that i've kind of,

1226
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 3: been like you got to take in his situation a.

1227
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 3: Little bit could he be better of some of the

1228
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: things as far as like being, the big tough guy and, you,

1229
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: know hey, come on be. THE leader i. Don't know it's.

1230
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: A receiver AND also i, Watch it, I'M like i.

1231
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: Come understand if you're, getting frustrated you're trying to break

1232
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: five tackles and then you guys get the, ball again

1233
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: you're down, Twenty one like that would. BE frustrating i.

1234
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 3: Get that so he's one GUY where i look at.

1235
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: The situation he could have stuck To his.

1236
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: OREGON commitment a lot of people ARE saying i could

1237
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: have stuck to that and played in a lot of

1238
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: big games with a Lot of heisman. CALIBER quarterbacks i

1239
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: don't know.

1240
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: He, played oregon people would be talking about. WAY differently,

1241
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: I agree i. Don't know he's he's. A player that's

1242
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 3: maybe the processes made me feel a, little crazy where

1243
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: everyone just keeps trying to like nitpick them and bring.

1244
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 3: Up blamishes, i'm, like yeah but when you, watch them

1245
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: that blamish like the long speed doesn't show up like

1246
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 3: he's creating. Explosive PLAY so i think he's an.

1247
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: Excellent, player nate let's bring this. Thing home it is

1248
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: time in this episode for you TO play gm Of

1249
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: The New. York, giants okay this is a very, selfish question,

1250
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: full disclosure like what should?

1251
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: They do are they still IN the? Nfl?

1252
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: Barely barrett what should they do? At three what is their?

1253
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: Draft strategy should they draft? The? Quarterback when if you,

1254
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: were hired if you are The New joe shane or,

1255
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: you know setting your own mark on, the sport you

1256
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: are The NIGHT tice gm Of. The giants what are? You?

1257
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 3: Doing, uh well, first off my dad would be. Really

1258
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 3: happy he grew Up a giants fan. As well so,

1259
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: we go we, Got there we. GOT there i would,

1260
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: FIRST off i Would, Have well I'M the, gm now

1261
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: SO but i would Have fired Dable and shane before this,

1262
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: whole process this mess that. They CREATED but i would

1263
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 3: not draft a quarterback three JUST because i don't think

1264
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: there's a guy there for them. TO draft i also

1265
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: think that They Signed Russell Wilson jameis winston because they.

1266
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: KNEW that i again Just reading tea leaves HERE and

1267
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 3: i know they're working out a private Workout with shooter.

1268
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: Right now seemed to the timing of it is very curious.

1269
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: To me it was Right after shooter had a couple,

1270
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 3: Other workouts so they're trying to carry little, trade steam,

1271
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 3: you know, you know go, up there be a little

1272
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 3: more subtle. With IT but, i think, uh no it's

1273
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 3: Either if carter's There or, hunters there take one of

1274
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: those two and then just move on. FROM there i

1275
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 3: actually if they could, trade back that'd, be great but

1276
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 3: everyone wants to trade back in. THIS class i actually

1277
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: have been become more keen on the idea of them drafting,

1278
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: alignment first whether It be manboo From a Zoo or CAMPBELL,

1279
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: from lsu one of, those two because if you look at,

1280
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: the line, it's, like yeah They Have, andrew thomas Who's

1281
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: An all world tackle who's, never healthy but he's incredible

1282
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 3: when he's. Out there the rest of the offensive line

1283
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: has always just, been, like oh this, guy's healthy this

1284
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 3: guy's we're missing two, other guys or, This Guy evan

1285
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: neil is. A bust but we have to play them

1286
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 3: because we took them, top ten so we have to.

1287
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: Play them so if they want to just default, offensive

1288
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: line that's always been my, preference anyways if they don't

1289
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: Love QUARTER but i think if, hunters there run up and,

1290
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: take them because now you, sell tickets you, sell smiles

1291
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: so and that's a lot easier one. To Swallow The

1292
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: heisman trophy winner that is a. Special TALENT so I

1293
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: think i do want them to maybe take a dart

1294
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 3: throw on a quarterback in, day TWO like i think

1295
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 3: they are prying to. Do that i'm curious for which

1296
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 3: one they would d. UP preferring i think, this, class

1297
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 3: though is WHOEVER takes qb two is going to be

1298
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: left feeling a little underwhelmed in a, Few YEARS like

1299
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: i don't think it's that type of class you want

1300
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: to do. It again Comparison To kyler, murray class Which

1301
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 3: Was kyler murray, went one should have been the only

1302
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: quarterback in the, first round And the Giants Took, daniel

1303
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: jones and who has looked As a day two guy

1304
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: for the. Whole process, SO yeah i would, go vpa Whether,

1305
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: it's carter whether it's an, offensive lineman whether It's, it's

1306
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: hunter and then day two, offensive line and then go.

1307
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: From THERE and i think where they're picking, day two

1308
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: if they don't want to take a quarterback, AROUND two

1309
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: i think they could get an offensive linement there quarterback

1310
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: round three some way shape or, form.

1311
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Alrighty his Name Is, nate tice one of our best

1312
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: Friends From. Yahoo sports does fantastic work both written word

1313
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: and Yes the football three to zero. One show we

1314
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: appreciate you stopping. BY here i have one final question,

1315
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: for you JUST because i love to re up this

1316
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: theory every time you come on. The show since we

1317
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: did just talk About, The giants i'm Curious How russell

1318
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: wilson's signing With the giants is going to affect his

1319
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: future political career, presidential campaign, that's true how does that?

1320
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: Factor in have you given any thought?

1321
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 3: To that he is he, is hitting, you know he's

1322
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: got to get a team with. The southeast, you know

1323
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: we got so a whistle.

1324
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: Stop, tour yeah.

1325
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: We've had some good, swing states, You, know colorado We

1326
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 3: got pennsylvania, in, There.

1327
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: RIGHT yeah i Beloved. IN wisconsin i love Him.

1328
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: In wisconsin He'd carry. WISCONSIN easily I Think north carolina

1329
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: you do all right. As, well okay but you know

1330
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: he doesn't really need To Hit. New york you know

1331
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 3: it's a, blue state pretty pretty whole stranglehold, on it,

1332
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 3: you KNOW so i think you'd be okay there if

1333
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: you want to. Run blue i'm. Just assuming but you

1334
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: Know it's russ can't even. Predict that, but no it's,

1335
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: BUT no i Think That's new york is a good

1336
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 3: it's a good way to, build up, you know maybe,

1337
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 3: some population some numbers for the, popular vote.

1338
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: Got to run Up to calli's where, he, Can, right

1339
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: yeah you.

1340
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 3: Know he's gonna chuck some deep balls and, bleak neighbors

1341
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 3: neighbors if he's the star of. THIS year i always

1342
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 3: that's a little bit of fun that can win you.

1343
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 1: Some, votes, YEAH absolutely. I can there we, Go Again.

1344
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: Nate tice we always appreciate, your time very generous with us.

1345
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: Here today we'll do it again.

1346
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: Next year see you guys in twelve months than just

1347
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: let me ramble a.

1348
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: Little, bit great, of course.

1349
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: Our, pleasure okay there, You Go dan mess another Episode

1350
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: with nate in. The, books yeah what are you looking

1351
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: forward to most WITH The?

1352
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: NFL draft, i mean sort of LIKE what i said in,

1353
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: the beginning the how everything reflects on. CERTAIN schools i

1354
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: always appreciate seeing coaches angle for camera time that are

1355
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: at the draft with players that were at. Their schools,

1356
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 2: you Know seeing Sark or Kirby or, dan lanning any of.

1357
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: Those guys that's always fun. For, me uh seeing, the

1358
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: suits seeing the. WILD commentary i always appreciate the ticker

1359
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: with best available because it's obviously there's a master list

1360
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: where these guys are. Coming in but, IT just i,

1361
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: don't know it makes me laugh a little bit that

1362
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: like you're, a team You're The, tennessee titans You're The,

1363
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 2: seattle seahawks and you're, just like this guy's, still there

1364
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: this guy's still waiting for. A call i always like

1365
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: that kind, of STUFF and i enjoy the personalities around.

1366
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: THE draft i enjoy that people are making these definitive proclamations,

1367
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: just like oh, my god Love the. Raider's draft Love

1368
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: the raiders draft.

1369
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: It JUST like.

1370
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't it, might work it, might not and you

1371
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: hope for. The best, SO no i appreciate all of

1372
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: the excitement and hope that is generated by, the draft

1373
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: and the life changing money and career paths for a

1374
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: lot of these guys. Is great it's.

1375
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: VERY exciting i always appreciate the discourse out on social

1376
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: media because you. Do it for as much as this

1377
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: is one of those events that tends to bridge the

1378
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: gap between college fan and, pro fan you also have

1379
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: a fair amount, of disagreement especially among people who have

1380
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: watched a lot of, college football when somebody gets drafted

1381
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: a little higher than they. Might Expect, riley leonard who

1382
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: we talked a little, bit about is probably a pretty

1383
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: good example. Of, This Yeah riley leonard's going to, get

1384
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: drafted and there's going to be a chorus of college

1385
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: football fans who, ARE like i, don't know didn't really

1386
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. At all whereas there

1387
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: will certainly be, pro scouts people who are a little

1388
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: bit more steep in the pro, game, saying well look at,

1389
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: his athleticism kind of Like what. Nate said there will

1390
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: be players like that inevitably that drive a wedge in

1391
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: between those two schools of thought or those two, fan

1392
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: BASES and i always look forward to watching that play

1393
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: out in, real time so.

1394
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 2: We'll see is There A notre dame player you're going

1395
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: to Miss Most, Xavier, watts yeah anchored, that secondary anchored.

1396
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: The secondary we talked, about safeties he. Said intelligence you

1397
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: asked them About the, shneia line which. Is brilliant we

1398
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: need to keep, using that by, the way but intelligence

1399
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: being able to diagnose. A play his play recognition is off.

1400
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: The CHARTS so i don't know where he ends up

1401
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: going in. THE draft i think he was Just outside

1402
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: nate's top. Seventy Five But, xavier watts as like the

1403
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: glue that made that whole, defense work is going to

1404
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: be SOMEBODY that i think is. Sorely, missed yeah that.

1405
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: Makes sense Mine's tedz Johnson. For oregon. HE'S tiny i

1406
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: don't know where he's going to, get drafted but he was.

1407
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: So dependable the transfer and coming In from troy Connection,

1408
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: to bonnicks Him And, terence ferguson who Was in. EUGENE

1409
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: forever i think he was a four year quality player

1410
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: and he's just, super dependable make, huge catches, huge plays

1411
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 2: and so hoping for the best for. Those, two well

1412
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: for those of you out there who support us On

1413
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: for Ballers, Dot com i'm sure we will have a,

1414
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 2: lively Discussion yeah Wanner For baller's discord throughout the course of.

1415
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 2: The draft, of course it is a three.

1416
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: Day event you've got the first Round, on thursday and

1417
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: then it progresses Through on Friday. And saturday for those

1418
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: who are playing along, at home please send this episode to.

1419
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: Your friends for anybody who FOLLOWS the nfl wants a

1420
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: little bit more in the way of details for what is. To,

1421
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: follow look this is why We bring. Nate on he

1422
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: does an. Awesome job go and check him out again

1423
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: over at. Y'ahoo's, sports yeah that does it for another

1424
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: week of content here on. The show, there IS as,

1425
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: i said a lot. Going on we're not just plunging

1426
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: into this spring, football season but we've Got The. Nico

1427
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: news who knows what's going to be in store for us?

1428
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 2: NEXT week i mean, the Portal the, spring portals crazy

1429
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: names hopping In The.

1430
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,799
Speaker 1: SPRING portal i can't even think About the spring portal

1431
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: because we've got so much already on our plate here

1432
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: that just kind of. Popped up but we will do

1433
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: our best on this show to cover it as best. We,

1434
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: Can dan are.

1435
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: We going to dedicate a whole episode To the foyer

1436
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: on the EMAILS at Unc With bill belichick and his

1437
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: girlfriend and the trademarks and the email back and forth

1438
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: and the very specific instructions on how To Describe steve

1439
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: belichick and all of his. Many accomplishments oh, my god

1440
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 2: we should do a full episode.

1441
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: On that we.

1442
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 2: Really should it's. Pretty wonderful.

1443
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: We should maybe we'll talk more about that one of

1444
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: these weeks to follow for that guy, over there my

1445
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: Good Friend dan rustine, From Myself Tie, hilton brand thank

1446
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: you again, for downloading, for listening for supporting what. We

1447
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: do we'll talk to y'all see Stay, song peace