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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Saturday, March twenty eighth, and

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Speaker 1: an awful update on a missing American Airlines flight attendant

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Speaker 1: is that flight attendant. With that Welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ Ropes. To anybody who has traveled,

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Speaker 1: certainly internationally. You go to your hotel, I mean you

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Speaker 1: see it all the time, these groups of flight attendants

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Speaker 1: going out together, hanging. They just have a few hours

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Speaker 1: and maybe a couple nights with I just you immediately

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Speaker 1: go to that. Yeah, you hear the story.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's so interesting. My brain went there too.

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Speaker 3: I thought, oh, you know, you see these young flight attendants,

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Speaker 3: and yes, their route is exciting because wherever their layover

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Speaker 3: is they can go out with co workers, let.

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Speaker 2: Off a little steam, have a little fun, taken some

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Speaker 3: And so, yes, we've all seen that and looks like

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Speaker 3: a really fun job.

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Speaker 2: You know, as a young adult, you think that's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of a perfect way to see the world, and you

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Speaker 3: kind of are kind of living vicariously through them in

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Speaker 1: It's almost it's an incentive even sometimes for doing this work.

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Speaker 1: You get salary, you get benefits, you get to see

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Speaker 1: the world. Right. And so here we are in this situation, folks,

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Speaker 1: where this flight attendant went missing from an American Airlines

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Speaker 1: flight that arrived in Columbia on Saturday, March twenty first,

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Speaker 1: went out that night, was supposed to fly back to

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Speaker 1: March twenty second, and has been missing ever since until

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Speaker 3: Yes, and certainly so many folks. He's got a boyfriend

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Speaker 3: back home, his family, he's out of the Dallas area.

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Speaker 3: They were all waiting for word. His father even flew

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Speaker 3: to medayin to Colombia to try and help the local

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Speaker 3: authorities there find his son. But this story is it

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Speaker 3: is scary, babe, because a lot of folks traveled to

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Speaker 3: Colombia for tourism to experience just all of that, the culture,

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Speaker 3: the beauty, and there are some popular spots nightlife. That's

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Speaker 3: where he and his co workers went out. He went

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Speaker 3: out with his co workers.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't as if he was meeting some person. You know.

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Speaker 3: This was supposed to just be a fun night out

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Speaker 1: And they weren't often to cut somewhere. They were in

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Speaker 1: an area that's known for tourists, known for international travelers,

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Speaker 1: So it's not like they went off to some side

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Speaker 1: talking about it's thirty two years old. Eric Fernando Gutierres

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Speaker 1: Malina in a Cameron was American Airlines flight attendant based

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, March twenty second. So all this week the

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Speaker 1: search has been going on. In all this week, folks,

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Speaker 1: the family, even American Airlines, everybody's been standing by for

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Speaker 1: a word. And we have now finally gotten word from

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Speaker 1: the authorities that they found a body they believe is Molina.

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Speaker 1: We're able to track him through his cell phone. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into the incident and why this

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Speaker 1: they do have some suggestions or some suspicions here we'll

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Speaker 1: explain all of that. But that night Rode. They land Saturday,

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Speaker 2: You know, we know this just from work travels.

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Speaker 3: It's exciting wherever you end up having to go for

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Speaker 3: We call them like little workkations. So I'm sure that's

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Speaker 3: what I'm imagining. But yes, they went out to a

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Speaker 3: bar with a female flight attendant and a male flight attendant.

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Speaker 2: Correct, they all went out together.

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Speaker 1: Sound safe, three of them together, and they all want

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Speaker 3: Exactly now, now we understand that Molina went out with

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Speaker 3: The second location is always the scary part. But he

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Speaker 3: But the female flight attendant went with him, so he's

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Speaker 1: And they started suggesting early on in this that it's

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Speaker 1: part of that reason rotes two things. One has to

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Speaker 3: That yes, we understand that the two men that they

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Speaker 2: Specific type of drug that's.

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Speaker 3: Very familiar to Colombian officials to basically impair the people

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Speaker 3: who they're with. So they pose like, hey, we're fun guys.

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Speaker 3: Then they drug these unsuspecting tourists targeted victims with this drug.

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Speaker 3: You can easily slip it in a drink or in

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Speaker 2: She doesn't remember huge sections of the night. Somehow she

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Speaker 3: She doesn't even know how from what we gather, like

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Speaker 3: she's just like, I can't even fill in massive holes

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Speaker 1: So, Robes, that is you hear about this stuff. I

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Speaker 1: mean quite frankly, since I was a kid, My mom

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Speaker 1: that drink again when you go out. I've been taught

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Speaker 1: I kid you not. Wow, this is just one of

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Speaker 1: those things, the scariest things ever. And when you travel internationally,

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Speaker 1: robes just not like if you go into Medayin. It

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Speaker 1: this there. Now, Robes, I haven't seen, and tell me

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Speaker 1: if you have. But they had a press conference I

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Speaker 1: think Thursday this week or Friday, authorities did. No arrests

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not yet, but they've made it sound like they

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Speaker 3: know who these men are, that they have identified the suspects.

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Speaker 3: Yet you're right, we have not heard word of any

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Speaker 3: kind of arrest as of yet. But certainly, you know,

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Speaker 3: his father's down there. The body is being formally identified,

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Speaker 3: and one would hope that that would be the next

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Speaker 1: Before, and this is a I mean, Molina is a

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Speaker 1: and we are very familiar with flight attendants. Almost from

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Speaker 1: We just see flight attendants a lot, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 2: You know what I did.

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Speaker 3: He has this sweet, kind face and his boyfriend has

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Speaker 3: been trying to get attention for his missing partner all

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Speaker 2: You can see it in his face.

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Speaker 3: His picture is everywhere if you look up this story

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Speaker 2: That flight attendant. Think, oh good, we got this. We

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Speaker 3: He's going to be a blast while we're flying. We

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Speaker 3: always look for that. We love having relationships with our

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Speaker 3: And he just looked like that guy who you'd be like, Yes,

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Speaker 2: He's going to be fun. And that is how he

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Speaker 2: was described by his boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if he looked different. Though, Ropes we talked about

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Speaker 1: this and these are look we cover a lot and

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Speaker 1: Rhodes and I have been in a lot of newsrooms

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Speaker 1: Molina and they have a name that's Molina, and they

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Speaker 1: are gay, and you throw that into this. People can

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Speaker 1: based on what the missing person looks like. And that's

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Speaker 1: just true. And if you stop for a second, American

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Speaker 3: It would have been the top story if you've been

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Speaker 3: more aware, Yes, this would have been a huge story

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Speaker 3: for all the reasons you just said. A flight attendant

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Speaker 3: suddenly is missing. If that were a white woman from Texas,

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Speaker 3: it would have been the lead story everywhere. This would

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Speaker 3: And that that's sad. It is sad because if you

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Speaker 2: Of course that's true.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, this didn't get on my rate.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't aware. And a couple days ago, and he's

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Speaker 1: been missing since last weekend, I didn't It didn't giant.

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Speaker 1: We pay attention to news quite a bit. And if

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of other stories that are making headlines

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Speaker 1: right now. Look, I know it's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: room for news and yet to make these editorial decisions,

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Speaker 1: but a decision was made that this didn't rise to

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Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy Guthrie is still top of mind on pretty

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Speaker 3: much every online news organization. You'll see her se An A.

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Speaker 3: Guthrie and Nancy Guthrie everywhere. I never saw Gutier as Malina.

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Speaker 3: I never saw that last name. You have to actually

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Speaker 3: And yes, you can see it's been covered, but it's

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Speaker 1: We know it would have been. We actually know this

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Speaker 1: story has all It has every element of a news

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Speaker 1: story that a lot of newsrooms look for, even adding

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is an incredibly tragic and sad story,

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Speaker 1: That is what we want to hit on now, because folks,

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Speaker 1: That is what is believed to have been the drug

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Speaker 1: and TJ. Ropes. I have never heard of a drug

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Speaker 1: I'm please help me, yeah, correctapalamine.

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Speaker 3: And when I saw that because we started looking up

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Speaker 3: But you might know scopalamine if you have any kind

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Speaker 1: This stuff is scary. This stuff is to think that

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Speaker 3: That's it said that just one gram of this stuff

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Speaker 1: part of this story. Now with this flight attention, this.

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Speaker 3: Is historically in Colombia, a drug called scoopalamine has been

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Speaker 3: Burundanga in Colombia, It's an odorless, tasteless, memory blocking substance

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Speaker 1: It's frightening robes that this this notice went out three

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Speaker 3: Now, when you see that and hear what happened to him,

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Speaker 3: We don't know how she got back and he didn't,

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Speaker 1: This is a very important for anybody that travels or

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Speaker 1: my dear Amy Roboc. We'll talk to you allso