1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: A fourteen year old teen girl goes missing, seemingly without 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: a trace. 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 3: Was she lured by a predator? Where is she? 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: In the last hours, we learn teen girl Alisha Navarro 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: safe and sound. 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: That's right, the Glendale. 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Girl Alicia Navarro missing four years now found. I'm Nancy Grace. 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. Story is 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: developed this in check we wrote what the Gordondelpd say. Alisha, 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: now eighteen, goes into a police department in Montana and 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: asks to be taken and off a missing person's list. 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: They say she's healthy and happy. How did the whole 15 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: thing unfold? Let's start with our friend Dave Matt at 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: crimeonline dot Com. 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: Alisha Navarro is fifteen years old and is on the 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 4: autism spectrum. Her mother, Jessica, says she is shy and 19 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: anxious in some social situations and is in fond of 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: being out in public much or for very long. She did, however, 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 4: like going to McDonald's for chicken McNuggets. Alisa Navarro takes 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 4: medicine and has a compromised immune system. She also likes 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 4: to wear the same clothes and the same shoes over 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: and over, which her mother says is because of her autism. 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 4: For example, she only wore sweatshirts in Arizona despite the 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: harsh heat. In the very early hours of September fifteenth, 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, Navarro's mother saw her come down from her 28 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: room and get a glass of water around one am. 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: She made her way back to her room. Later that 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 4: same morning, around seven am, Alicia's mother, Jessica, made breakfast 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: for her husband and her two youngest children. Alicia was 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 4: not up yet. When her mom went to check, Lisha 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: was gone. How can it happen? 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: Just like that? Mom sees Alisha go to the kitchen 35 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: sink and get a glass of water around one am. 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: When mom checks on Alisha the next morning, just a 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: few hours later, she's gone with me an all start 38 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: panel to break you down and put it back together again. 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: Trent Steele, who has been working on this case, President 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: National Director Investigative Operations at the Anti Predator Project at 41 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: Anti Predator Project dot org. Jose Santiago, GLENDALEPD Communications Manager 42 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: and you can find them at glendaleaz dot com. Forward 43 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: Slash Police Alisha Kozak. We know her well. A survivor 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: who was lured online, was kidnapped, taken far away from 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: her home, assaulted repeatedly, and then night she believes her 46 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: kidnapper was set to kill her to get rid of evidence. 47 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: The FBI swoops in and say, sir, I'll let you 48 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: hear her tell her story herself. She's at Alicia Kosek 49 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: withthek dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining me 50 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 2: from the Atlanta jurisdiction. She's at Angela Arnold MD dot com, 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: but first to Sierra Gillespie joining me Crime online dot 52 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: com investigative reporter Sierra, let's kick it off with our 53 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: friend Ryan Simms at k t VKCBS five, Arizona. 54 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: Listen. 55 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 5: Not only are we talking about a girl who depends 56 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 5: on family for everyday things, but in the process she 57 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 5: missed her own birthday party. 58 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 6: We all miss you a lot. I don't know exactly 59 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 6: what happened, but I really don't care. 60 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: I just want you to come back home. 61 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 7: Jessica and Nuniez's message is as distressed as it is desperate. 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 7: Without any warning at all, she says her daughter Alicia 63 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 7: Navarro left home last Sunday morning and hasn't been seen 64 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 7: or heard from since. 65 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 6: Oh, there is no fight, even though she's aut six. 66 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 6: She doesn't have where she wanders or nothing like that. 67 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 7: Family say Alicia left behind the note saying she was 68 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 7: sorry for leaving and that she would return on Friday, 69 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 7: though her disappearance took on a whole new urgency when 70 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 7: Alicia missed her own fifteenth birthday party. In the end, 71 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 7: family say they served Alicia's birthday cake to the volunteers 72 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 7: searching for her. 73 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 6: My Smather Syblene told me, are we gonna save a 74 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 6: piece for Alisia when she comes back? 75 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: You know? 76 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: And I don't know what to say. Do you hear 77 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: the pain in mom's voice? 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: She missed her own birthday party and instead serve the 79 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: birthday cake to volunteers who were trying to find Alicia. 80 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: Please help us. 81 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: Let me at the get go tell you the tip 82 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: line nine three zero three thousand, repeat six two three 83 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: nine three zero three thousand and Sierra Gillespie Crime online 84 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: dot Com hold just one moment because I want to 85 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: go first to Alisha Kozak survivor, Alisha, let me give 86 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: you a rapid fire set of questions, How old were 87 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: you when you were kidnapped? 88 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 8: I was thirteen years old, a young teen. 89 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: Just like Alisha. 90 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: However, Alisha has the added difficulty of being on the 91 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: autism spectrum. You heard the reporters say that very often 92 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: she would wear the same clothes all the time, the 93 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: same shoes all the time. She's very nervous in social settings. 94 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: She depends on her family for her food, her medication. 95 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: Alisha Kozak, when you were kidnapped, you had met your kidnapper. 96 00:05:53,960 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: You were shy, beautiful, sweet, great grades. But you were 97 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: a little shy and you met a friend online, a 98 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: little friend girl right exactly, who turned out to. 99 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: Be not a girl at all. 100 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: And when you were a kidnapped, isn't it true you 101 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: were lured out of your house? 102 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 8: Yes? 103 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: I was so, guys, just one of those questions with Alicia, 104 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: and she's going to tell you her whole story, because 105 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: you've got to hear this. 106 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: She's a miracle. 107 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: Alicia Kozak at alshakozak dot com. So when we're talking 108 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: about this little teen girl, Alicia Navarro who's now missing, 109 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: I think she was. 110 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: Lured out of her home. 111 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: This little girl is not equipped to be even out 112 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: of the house to go to a mall on her own. 113 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: I mean, Sarah Gillespie. 114 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: A lot of people are acting like they don't care 115 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: because they think she left on her own. That's not 116 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: what happened. I think this girl was lured out online. 117 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: She has no idea what's outside her home. She's autistic, Sierra, 118 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: tell me what happened. 119 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy. So some people think she ran away because 120 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 8: she did leave a letter. We've actually seen a letter. 121 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 8: It's been broadcast all over. It's kind of been sloppy handwriting. 122 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 8: But again, when she left, she was only fourteen, and 123 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 8: the letter says, quote, I ran away, I will be back. 124 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 8: I swear. I'm sorry. 125 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: Held on, Sierra. Let me just get the facts out there. 126 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: Had she ever left the home before? 127 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 128 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 8: That rom is very strict about that. 129 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: Never to Trent Steel joining me, President, National Director of 130 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: Investigative Operations at Anti Predator Project dot Org. Trent Steel, 131 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: you are intimately familiar with this case. This little girl, 132 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: I mean, for PE's sake, she's still wearing braces on 133 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: her teeth. 134 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: She's never had a date, she's never. 135 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: Even gone to the mall or walked around a department 136 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: store by herself. This little girl has a lot of 137 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: emotional she she is autistic. This child had never ever 138 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: run away in her life. 139 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: She was happy at home. 140 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 9: There are no problems, no, no, We've we've spoken with 141 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 9: mom at length about this and there were no problems 142 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 9: in fact, and what we understand, uh at LASTI and 143 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 9: her mom had a fantastic relationship. 144 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 10: They got along well, you know, without disclosing a whole 145 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 10: lot about the investigation, obviously, because it's sill an ongoing 146 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 10: case and we don't want to tip our hands to 147 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 10: what we've got or you know, step on anything that 148 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 10: Glendel Pedi is doing. But I would say that your 149 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 10: assessment of her being lured out of the house is 150 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 10: pretty accurate based on what we know. We think that 151 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 10: she left the house voluntarily to go meet somebody that 152 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 10: she thought she knew or thought she had met online, 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 10: and once she got there, she found herself in a 154 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 10: situation that she never expected. 155 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 156 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: I recall in the early morning hour September fifteen, twenty 157 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: nineteen teen, girl Alisha writes a note to her sleeping family, 158 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: takes a phone and laptop, and is gone. Rumors swirled 159 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: online and amongst missing people circles that she was lured 160 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: by a predator. How did the whole thing unfold? 161 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: Before? 162 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: I go to Hosse Santiago, who has kindly joined us 163 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: from the Glendale Police Department. Alicia Kozak, survivor who went 164 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: through this same thing at age thirteen, And sometimes I 165 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: notice that she's telling his story what we know over 166 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: the rapes and the sex assaults, and I thank Godra 167 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: Angela Arnold. 168 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: But now it's because the last day. 169 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: To Alicia bound to Alicia will keep saying she left voluntarily. 170 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: I know what I'm. 171 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: Saying, But when you're out of your home to a 172 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: little girl, I don't call that voluntary. 173 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: Because children, even under the law, I. 174 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: Can't buy a car, they can't buy a home, they 175 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: can't enter into a working agreement, or buy alcohol or 176 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: cigarettes because they're miners. They don't have the ability to 177 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: understand what they're doing. So when you're lured out of 178 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: your home the way I think Alicia andvar this little 179 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: girl with autism who can't even pick out different clothes 180 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: in the morning to wear, so she wears the same 181 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: thing every day. Alicia Kozak I don't think that that's 182 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: of your own free will. How did you get lured 183 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: out of your home? 184 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: Alicia Kozak dot com. 185 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 8: Well, children are low risk, assessment, high impulse, and don't 186 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 8: always think things through. 187 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: Lett me. 188 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: Well, you said children are low risk, assessment, high and pulse. Okay, 189 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: I completely agree with that. I had to think through 190 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: what you were saying, go ahead, dear, yes. 191 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 8: And so they don't always think through every decision that 192 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 8: they make. And so for me, I was thirteen, I 193 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 8: was online. I was a really shy child. I didn't 194 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 8: feel unpopular, but I still didn't feel like anybody got me, 195 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 8: anybody understood me, and that's very natural. And then somebody 196 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 8: was online who pretended to be my friend and be 197 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 8: into everything that I was into and to make me 198 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 8: feel special and important and beautiful and unique in a 199 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 8: time when it's really hard to feel any of those things. 200 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 8: And with Alicia, which is triggering to hear the way 201 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 8: it's a relationship. There's just so much here that lined up, 202 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 8: including the little girl's name. But what my mind jumps 203 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 8: to is the fact that this was her birthday month. 204 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 8: Could this have had something to do with that? Because 205 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 8: this has been somebody luring her out as a birthday surprise. 206 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 3: That's really her vulnerability. 207 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a really good question using her birthday as 208 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: a lure. In your case, tell us about Alicia Kosek, 209 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: how you were lured out of your home and what 210 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: took place. 211 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 8: This person online groomed me for a period of nine months, 212 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 8: and grooming is just pretending to be a child's friend 213 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 8: and making them feel all those things that I said 214 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 8: that it's really difficult to be a kid. Kids don't 215 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 8: ever feel like they're really enough. They can be surrounded 216 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 8: by all the love in the world and still feel different, 217 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 8: still feel out of place, and that's really normal. And 218 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 8: this person made me feel normal. And I did not 219 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 8: know the dangers of the internet before anybody was talking 220 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 8: about that. And one of my vulnerabilities as well was 221 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 8: that I lived in a safe little bubble. My parents 222 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 8: raised me in a world that was beautiful and loving 223 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 8: and not dangerous, and so I wasn't aware. I knew 224 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 8: that danger happened and horrible things, but that happened elsewhere 225 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 8: to other people. And on New Year's Day two thousand 226 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 8: and two, I agreed to meet this person, and I 227 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 8: think about Alicia getting up having a glass of water, 228 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 8: her parents seeing her from seeing her, this being this 229 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 8: very normal situation, although it was three late to night. 230 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 8: It reminds me of my own story in that between 231 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 8: dinner and dessert, I vanished, and I think about my 232 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 8: parents in that. 233 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: Oh right, I just got to take what you just said. 234 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: Between dinner and dessert, I vanished. What happened? 235 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 8: I walked outside of my house to meet somebody who 236 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 8: I thought was my friend, and he kidnapped me. And 237 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 8: he took me from Pittsford, Pennsylvania, to Virginia and held 238 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 8: me captive in his basement Dungeon and I do. I 239 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 8: don't go into the details for for many reasons, but 240 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 8: one being that it is so hard to talk about it. 241 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 8: It's not it's not easy by any means, even though 242 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 8: it's been all these years. It's very difficult to talk 243 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 8: about it. And still, for the lack of a better term, triggering, 244 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 8: what children suffer is horrendous. And I appreciated your tears 245 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 8: when you were crying for her, because it is likely 246 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 8: that she has suffered something so terrible. And I'm just 247 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 8: so grateful that we were talking about this case. 248 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: Hold on guys from the outside looking in at Alicia Kovak, 249 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: who we're talking to you right now, you would think, Wow, 250 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: she's got it all right. She's young, she's beautiful, she's smart, 251 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: she's articulate. She goes every day of her life with 252 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: the burden of what she lived through, and it's turned 253 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: out around to try to help other people. At thirteen, 254 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: she was kidnapped, taken from her own home from a 255 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: family meal. She was held with a choke collar, She 256 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: was assaulted over and over. She was convinced and not 257 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: the FBI miraculously saved her that she was going to 258 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: be killed. Alicia, Why in your heart did you know 259 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: that that night your kidnapper, Scott Tyree was going. 260 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: To kill you. 261 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 8: I knew early on that he didn't have any other 262 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 8: option than to get rid of me at some point, 263 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 8: So I focused on the only power that I had 264 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 8: was trying to stay alive as long as possible and 265 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 8: to get him to see me. My mind jumped into 266 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 8: some sort of something instinctual, and that he sees you 267 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 8: as an object and an object that he wants to 268 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 8: hurt and torture. They can see you as a human, 269 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 8: and so I did whatever I had judic to survive 270 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 8: and try to. It makes my stomacharen to save this word, 271 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 8: but connect with him in whatever way that I could, 272 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 8: And on that day he said, I'm beginning to like 273 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 8: you too much. Tonight we're going to go for a ride. 274 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 8: And I knew at that point that that was not 275 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 8: even a bailed threat. It was very clearly a threat, 276 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 8: and that he was going to kill me. That what 277 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 8: I had been doing to try to humanize myself was 278 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 8: working too well, and he was becoming attached, so he 279 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 8: was going to have to end my life sooner. 280 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: All this happened to Alicia Kozak at age thirteen. Think 281 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: of your own child, this little girl who not only 282 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: is a young teen, she's autistic, and I believe she's 283 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: been lured out of her home joining me. Jose Santiago, Glendale, PD. Jose, 284 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: what can you tell us about the search for Alicia Novarro? 285 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: Why do you believe or do you believe she was 286 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: lured out. 287 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: Of her home? 288 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 11: I can tell you that we are looking into all 289 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 11: the possibilities here. 290 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 8: We have been following up. 291 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 11: With every lead that's been coming in. We've had a 292 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 11: couple of people say that they've spotted her in very places, 293 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 11: but unfortunately those leads did not turn up Alicia. We 294 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 11: know that that night that she disappeared, we could see 295 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 11: footprints leading to a specific area in the yard and 296 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 11: that Lisa, Alicia did go over the fence. 297 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, you're cutting out on me, Assea 298 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: Santiago Glendeal PD. 299 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: So you say, how. 300 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: Can I'm not even going to question how you saw 301 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: the footprints, but you saw footprints leading from front door, 302 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: back door, which one from the. 303 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 12: Back door to the officers did see those footprints that 304 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 12: were pointed out by Alicia's parents, and this is something 305 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 12: that just this child just. 306 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 3: Saw the other side of the fence. 307 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 11: There was some debris that appeared that she went over 308 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 11: on that side. 309 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: I think she met somebody. 310 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: I think she met somebody, because this girl correct me 311 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, because I want to have the correct 312 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: facts and I don't want the facts to blur together 313 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: for me. J Santiago Glenda L. Paday, excuse me, Jose. 314 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: You say that she you think went over the fence. 315 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: But this little girl had never run away, had never 316 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 2: discussed running away. There was no argument that Night. 317 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 318 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 2: A teen girl goes missing seemingly without a trace. 319 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 3: Was she lured by a predator? Where is she? 320 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: So Jose Santiago, What if any clothes are found on 321 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: the other side of the fence. 322 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 11: There was just debriss there. There wasn't much to go 323 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 11: on in that particular area. Something that we want to 324 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 11: make note of is that when she disappeared, she did 325 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 11: have her cell phone and she did have her laptop 326 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 11: with her. 327 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 13: Those devices have not been used since she left the home. 328 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 13: So this case really is a mystery because of the 329 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 13: fact that there's just no trace of her anywhere. We've 330 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 13: spoken to her friends, We've spoken to people that were 331 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 13: close to her, which was a very limited group, and 332 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 13: no one seems to have any idea where she may 333 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 13: have gone to it, not evening. 334 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: To Trent Still, President, National Directory Investigative Operations, Anti Predator 335 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: Project dot Org. 336 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 3: Trent. 337 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: That makes me believe even more so that someone lured 338 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: her and was waiting for her on the other side 339 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: of the fence, because if she had gone on her own, 340 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: you could at least paying or track her cell phone right, 341 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: or she would have made one call or one text 342 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: or something correct, left your devices go ahead, correct. 343 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 10: I would tend to agree with that assessment. You know, 344 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 10: I would say WENDELPDS is correct, following you know, every 345 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 10: lead that they get in and every scenario, because as 346 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 10: of now, we don't have something that points directly to 347 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 10: this scenario. This is exactly what happened, This is exactly 348 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 10: where she went. We can just say on our end 349 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 10: from our investigation that we've conducted that we feel comfortable 350 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 10: saying on our end that we believe she met somebody online. 351 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 10: We believe that this online relationship, because of her auti's situation, 352 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 10: was a long term thing. This was not something that happened, 353 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 10: you know, within two weeks or even six months of 354 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 10: her going missing. We believe she had been corresponding with 355 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 10: this particular individual for quite a while. She left that 356 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 10: night to go meet this individual when she had built 357 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 10: up some sort of trust with and that's when things 358 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 10: went south. 359 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: Question to you, has Ai Santiago Glende LPD. Are there 360 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 2: any home security surveillance cameras that could be glaned to 361 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: see where she went or who she met? Are there 362 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: any tolls that have cameras? For instance, when Alisha Kozak 363 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: went missing, Alisha, isn't it true that you went through 364 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: a toll booth with your kidnapper. 365 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: Several of them, and what happened when you go through 366 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: a toll what would go on. 367 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 8: In your mind at each tolbooth, I would get a 368 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 8: glimmer of hope. At the very first one. I thought 369 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 8: that that was the moment that I would be rescued, 370 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 8: that I would speak up, that the firstone in the 371 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 8: toll booth would ask me something, would notice me crying, 372 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 8: would report something, and didn't get no fault of their own. 373 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 8: They weren't expecting this to be happening, but that there's 374 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 8: so much hope that a child is holding onto in 375 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 8: a situation like this, and then it can so easily 376 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 8: be cut out, and you search for those little bits 377 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 8: of hope. 378 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend Linda Williams at Fox ten. 379 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 14: Her mother describes her daughter Alisha as a simple girl. 380 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 14: She attends Borgaate High School, doesn't even wear makeup, and 381 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 14: has a very small group of friends. But she's been 382 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 14: missing almost three full days now and the family is 383 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 14: sick with worry. 384 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 6: Everybody isn't shocked because you know, she's so vulnerable. 385 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: She can't even go outside. 386 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 6: She's receiving therapy, just to go outside somewhere. 387 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 14: Despite dealing with many anxiety issues. Early Sunday morning, fourteen 388 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 14: year old Alicia Navarro left her home near forty fifth 389 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 14: Avenue and Bethany Home Road. 390 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: She left this note for her family. I ran away. 391 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: We'll be back. I swear I'm sorry. 392 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 14: Alicia Juniez says she fears her daughter is somehow involved 393 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 14: with or was drawn away by someone online. 394 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 6: I want my daughter back. Just please bring her safe 395 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 6: and sound. That's all I'm asking from You know she's 396 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 6: she needs her help. 397 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: Don't take a bad does she so vulnerable? Please just 398 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: free your back. 399 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 2: You're hearing Alicia's mom begging for her return, joining me 400 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: renownedd psychiatrists out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold 401 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: at angela Arnold MD dot com. 402 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: Doctor Angela. 403 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: What does it mean to be under the spectrum or 404 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: on this spectrum? 405 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 15: When when someone is diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder? This 406 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 15: isn't this is a disorder which which is? 407 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: It's that people. 408 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 15: Can have many different. 409 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 8: Levels of this disorder. 410 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: Okay. 411 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 15: It impacts the nervous system. There is a range and 412 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 15: severity of systems of symptoms. 413 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 7: Excuse me. 414 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 15: That can vary widely. Common symptoms include difficulty with communication, 415 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 15: difficulty with social interactions. Oftentimes they will have obsessive interests 416 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 15: and they will exhibit repetitive behaveyaviers about and also, just 417 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 15: to let you know, autism affects one in fifty four 418 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 15: children in the United States today. 419 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: So when you hear doctor Angela Arnold that she will 420 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: wear the same clothes over and over and over, needs 421 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: help just to bring herself to leave the home to 422 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: function normally, what does that mean to you regarding her condition. 423 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 15: Well, what it means to me is she's got a 424 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 15: high level of autism and she she is a very 425 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 15: anxious person, so she needs everything around her to always 426 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 15: be the same. Okay, she's so anxious, Nancy, that the 427 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 15: feeling of the clothing on. 428 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: Her bothers her. 429 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 15: Okay, that's why she wears the same thing over again. 430 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 15: It can actually be because of the way the clothing 431 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 15: feels on her. 432 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: I just see a child like this who has I 433 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: have never left home before, never even discussed leaving home before, 434 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: seemed perfectly happy. It's very hard for me to believe 435 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: this little girl could devise a plan to leave her 436 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 2: home in the dark. 437 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: Forever. I don't believe that doctor Angela. 438 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 8: Well, oh, I don't either. 439 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 15: I don't think she devised a plan at all. I'm 440 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 15: quite sure that someone worked on her and lured her 441 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 15: out of the home, maybe to her backyard, but I 442 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 15: do not believe that she had any any part in 443 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 15: devising a plan. 444 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: To Siergillspie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. 445 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 3: Earlier, we heard Jose. 446 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: Santiago mentioned there had been sightings of her that did 447 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: not pan out. 448 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 3: What can you tell me about those sightings? 449 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 8: So, Nancy, there were a couple different people who came 450 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 8: forward to police and said that they saw her somewhere 451 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 8: in the Glendale area, kind of near her home, but 452 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 8: not super close. There were two separate incidences that I saw. 453 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 8: People said that they saw Alisi a walking hand in 454 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 8: hand with an older man, which could be a suspect 455 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 8: in this case. But again, those we kind of dried 456 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 8: up pretty quickly. 457 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: Two Jose Santiago Glende LPD. Jose, you heard Trent still 458 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: state that he, as part of his own investigation with 459 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: the Anti Predator Project, firmly believes she was lured from 460 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: the home and that it was a cultivated relationship that 461 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: someone had sparked with this little girl online. Is there 462 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: a way that you could capture her texts? Are they 463 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: in the iCloud? Is there any way to was her 464 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: phone pained? I mean, what can you tell me about 465 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: that avenue? The forensic avenue of her phone. 466 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 11: What I can tell you is that once again, her 467 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 11: cell phone and her laptop have not turned on since 468 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 11: the night she disappeared from her home. That said, we 469 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 11: are in the process of working with different apps, different 470 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 11: social media sites to access as much information as possible 471 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 11: to see who, indeed she was communicating with days, weeks, 472 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 11: months prior to her disappearance. You know, it's important for 473 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 11: people to know that we are exhausting every means possible 474 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 11: because we want the best result possible for this family. 475 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 11: We know how difficult this is. We're getting close to 476 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 11: the one year mark and Jessica, her mom, has been 477 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 11: over the top with this as far as her support 478 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 11: and cooperating with our officers in every way, shape or form. 479 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend Ryan Simmons at KTVKCBS five. 480 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 7: Family say Alicia is not only autistic, but struggles to 481 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 7: feed herself. Day six of her missing means day six 482 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 7: without the things she needs to get by. 483 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: It hits me a. 484 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 6: Lot knowing that she's out there and not receiving the 485 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 6: services or medication. 486 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 7: Across Glendale, missing posters of Alicia plastered on the doors 487 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 7: of businesses. Families hope even the slightest miner of tips 488 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 7: will help bring Alicia home. 489 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 6: But just get the word out there. I mean, she's 490 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 6: somewhere out there. My little girl is somewhere out there 491 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 6: at now. 492 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 5: Alicia's family say they believe she was coaxed to leave 493 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: her home by someone else. Police have not commented or 494 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 5: confirmed that yet. 495 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: Joining me a special guest, Alicia Kozak, you can find 496 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: her at Alicia Kosak dot com, who was lured from 497 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: her home with her family there. As she just said, 498 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: between dinner and dessert at a holiday. 499 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: Meal, she vanished. 500 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: She was gone for a long time, held by her kidnapper. 501 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: Alicia Kozak, thank you for sharing with us. What do 502 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: you advise from your point of view having lived through this, 503 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: for police and investigators to do well. 504 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 8: Alicia was heavily involved in gaming, and gaming is a 505 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 8: very It's an easy way to lord children because you 506 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 8: are playing a game with them, you are already being 507 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 8: a friend with them. So it's really important to not 508 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 8: only check those different apps, but to look into the 509 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 8: gaming platforms as well as the gaming forums, so to 510 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 8: hop on to discord and to stream and to see 511 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 8: who she was playing those games with, as well as 512 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 8: I keeps toping my head with their gaming convention at 513 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 8: the time, that this person could have said, Hey, I 514 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 8: either's a gaming convention in town, or stayed over or 515 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 8: wherever would you like to go. It's a birthday surprise. 516 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 8: You'll be home before whatever date, your parents won't even 517 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 8: know you're missing whatever. So that there's very, very clear 518 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 8: ways that she could have been blored here. There's so 519 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 8: many vulnerabilities, and that's what a predator is seeking to do. 520 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 8: They are looking for those vulnerabilities in order to exploit them. 521 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 8: And Ausia had them so clearly an upfront that it 522 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 8: would not be a difficult task to get this child 523 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 8: to do what you wanted her to do, and to 524 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 8: think that it was a good choice for her, that 525 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 8: it was fun, that it was something that would bring 526 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 8: about a good outcome for her, when in reality she 527 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 8: is now still missing. A almost a year later. 528 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: Trent still with a president, National Director Investigative Operations, Anti 529 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: Predator Project dot Org. 530 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: Trent, you heard. 531 00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: Alicia Kozak state that Alicia Navarro was a gamer. She 532 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: loved to play games online. What games did she play? Trent? 533 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 10: Well, we are aware that she was a gamer, and 534 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 10: because the games that she was playing are heavily involved 535 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 10: in our investigation. And I don't know if if gwynd 536 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 10: LPD is looking at them or not. I'm not going 537 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 10: to disclose specifically what games and what gaming platforms we're 538 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 10: looking at. All I can do is confirm that they 539 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 10: we are aware of that and we are looking at Okay. 540 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: Great, Jose Santiago, do you know the games so I 541 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: can warn other parents about it that she was playing? 542 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 12: Do you know? 543 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 11: In unison with Trent, we are keeping that information just 544 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 11: because it would hinder the investigation, and so we are 545 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 11: just looking into everything that we could find on not 546 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 11: only her phone, but as well as her laptop as well. 547 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: Alisha, because you stated that Alicia Navarro played games like 548 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: my son does. What games are you referring to, Alicia? 549 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 8: Well, any in all games can be a risk. Any 550 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 8: game that has any connection to anybody can be a risk, 551 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 8: and there are so many that children play. It's not 552 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 8: a specific game it is it's usually one that is 553 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 8: popular because that's where the kids are, so that's where 554 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 8: the predators are seeking children. But what is interesting is 555 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 8: that when it comes to gaming, it's likely that she 556 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 8: was also playing with other people as well. So there 557 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 8: is hopefully a wealth of knowledge that law enforcement is 558 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 8: looking into, and that's really great. But it is so 559 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 8: important to be careful on all of these games, to 560 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 8: talk to your children about the fact that they may 561 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 8: be playing with somebody who isn't who they say they are, 562 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 8: and that it is such an easy way to, like 563 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 8: I said, to groom a child and just to pretend 564 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 8: to be that friend and to spend time with them 565 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 8: and a way that they feel safe and comfortable and 566 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 8: they're having fun. Grooming feels good, and grooming it feels 567 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 8: fun in the beginning because this child is getting what 568 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 8: they feel that they need or that they're craving. 569 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend Jamie Warren at kay 570 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: in x v ABC fifteen. 571 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 16: Friday was Alicia Navarro's fifteenth birthday. Read but Alicia wasn't 572 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 16: at her own party. 573 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: I'm Happy Bird. 574 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 16: Through many tears, her mom, Jessica Nuniez sings to her. 575 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 6: When she comes back, because I have faith she's going 576 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 6: to come back. She will see how much she was 577 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 6: loved and missed. 578 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 16: Nunias spending the past week taping up flyers searching for 579 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 16: her daughter, who she says has autism and relies on 580 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 16: medication and the help of her family. 581 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 6: She doesn't know how to be here by herself. Does 582 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 6: that make sense? She doesn't know how to take a bus. 583 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 16: But Nunia says when she woke up on September fifteenth, 584 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 16: Alicia was no where to be found. She says she 585 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 16: left behind a note that read. 586 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: I rang away, I will be back. I swear I'm sorry. 587 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 16: Nunie says the two never had a fight and Alicia 588 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 16: never mentioned she was unhappy. 589 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 3: It was just out of character for her. 590 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 2: But now in the last days, Alicia found safe. Take 591 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 2: a listen to kay n XV ABC fifteen. 592 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 17: After almost four years, Glendale police say Alicia Navarro showed 593 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 17: up boss elf at a police station in Montana. Now 594 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 17: the investigation into how she got there and what happened 595 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 17: since twenty nineteen begins. 596 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 6: My daughter Alisia Navarrow was missing since September fifteenth, twenty nineteen, 597 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 6: she has been found safe. 598 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 17: Glendale Police saying the teen, now eighteen years old, was 599 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 17: found about forty miles away from the Canadian border in 600 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 17: a small Montana town. 601 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: She went to a global police department in that area. 602 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 3: She identified herself as Alicia Navara. 603 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,479 Speaker 17: Glendelle Police sending us clips from interviews. Officers were able 604 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 17: to do virtually with Alicia before seeing the teen face 605 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 17: to face. 606 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 3: Did anybody hurt you in any way? 607 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: You please say? 608 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 17: Alicia knew her disappearance gained a lot of attention after 609 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 17: all these years. I asked police if Alicia gave any 610 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 17: indication of why she decided to identify herself now. 611 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 5: She's expressed a desire to move forward in life and 612 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 5: do the things that a normal, healthy adult would do. 613 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: One girl found safe, so many others still missing. Nancy 614 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 2: Grace calm story signing off Goodbye friend.