1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: today's best minds. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: And jd Vance's team was told by Springfield's mayor before 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: the debate that the allegations of dog eating were false, 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: and of course they still went with it. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 3: We have such a great show for you today. 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: We're going to put you an excerpt of Politics as 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Unusual's amazing show in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at the Bavarium this weekend, 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: where Rick and Molly really have some fun. Then we'll 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: talk to the New York Times Suzanne Craig about her 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: new book Lucky Loser, how Donald Trump squadroned his father's 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: fortune have built the illusion of success. But first we 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: have a big announce from Molly and I Molly chuck Fest. 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: We have a big announcement to make to the listeners. 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Don't we sound so stuffy? 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Sorry, poor sick Jesse. We are in Chicago doing our 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: live tour, but we come to you with huge, humongous, enormous, 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: serious Fast Politics news. Are you ready? 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: I think they're ready? 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: You ready? Great news from now on Fast Politics. Because 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: you loved us at three times a week, You're gonna 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: love us. 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: At four. 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: We are being picked up for another season and we 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: are gonna bring you four one, two, three, four episodes 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: a week Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday. You'll notice that 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: we have avoided the dreaded Friday drop day when every 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: other podcast in the world drops, but you will have 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: us on Saturdays. 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: We've been told by the listeners that there's approximately nine 32 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: hundred podcasts to listen to every Friday. 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: On Friday, so we will not be on Friday, but 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: on Saturday, when there are as I, as a podcast listener, 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: knows no podcast, you will have a fourth episode of 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Fast Politics Podcast which you can listen to what you 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: do your errands on Saturday or when you drive home 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: from your weekend away in the cats on Sunday. Oddly specific, 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: I think a bit oddly specific the cat skills. 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: But Bali, we have another thing that we're going to announce, 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: which is that you and I at the top of 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: each show are going to go over some news before 43 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: we get into the guests. 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: Yes, so, Bali, wait, we have a format change. So 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: when I get very very annoying, Jesse playcates me by 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: letting me change the format. We've actually never changed the 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: format of the show. In ten million years, in ten 48 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: billion episodes, we have never changed the format. So now 49 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: we will change the format. I am a person who 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: wants as much information as possible, which is why when 51 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I listen to podcasts. I don't recommend this myself, but 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: when I listen to podcasts, I tend to listen to 53 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: them at two X, Jesse is shaking his head in 54 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: a horror two baby two. But don't listen to me 55 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: on two because you don't want to miss a minute 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: or to one point five is fine, maybe one point 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: seven anyway. So the point is we now have a 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: new format, which is at the beginning of the show, 59 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the headlines, then we're going 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: to give you the great interviews you love, and then 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: we're going to end with a little moment of fuckery. 62 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: So it's going to be more news, more compact, more information, 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: and more opportunities for hilarity to ensue. 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: So maally, in that case, there was a massive Mike 65 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: Schmidt article at the Times saying that Trump was using 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: this justice system for a little bit of fuckery against 67 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: his oabies. What'd you see here? 68 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting story from Mike Schmidt in the 69 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: New York Times, very very Fulsome reported piece all about 70 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: the ways in which Trump was able to bully his 71 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: Justice Department into investigating his enemies, and sometimes this was 72 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: slowed by the grown ups in the room. Ultimately it 73 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: ended up being somewhat slowed by the grown ups in 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: the room. But that was his first term when he 75 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: wasn't prepared. He didn't have a Project twenty twenty five 76 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: like plan for what he was going to do. Now 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: you have Trump with a group that he's going to 78 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: go in with that are really there are no grown 79 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: ups in the room anymore, unless you consider Santa Monica Goebbels, 80 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Steven Miller to be a grown up in the room. 81 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: I personally do not. So you could see this sort 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: of Mike Schmid piece, I think showed a window of 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: what a second Trump administration would look like. And it's 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: filled with irs audits for anyone who dare come at him. 85 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: It's filled with, you know, the kind of legal stuff 86 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: that we saw in this country during the McCarthy era 87 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: when my grandfather was jailed in front of the House 88 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: on an American activities. So the American government has done 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: this to citizens before, we've seen it, just like we've 90 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: seen rights be taken away, like we saw that during 91 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Jim Crow and then we've seen that again in this country. 92 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: But this in itself is pretty is pretty dark, and 93 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: we really see the stakes. What's great about this piece 94 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: in The Times is it really shows us the stakes 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: of the election. We talk a lot about how really 96 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: good election coverage explains the stakes and not the odds. Right, 97 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: they don't do it as a horse race, but instead 98 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: they do it as a real you know what it 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: will mean for us, and so this article is really 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: important in that and you should definitely read it. Very interesting. 101 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: So and I thought, thought, what was interesting is it's 102 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: this week we got the leaked speech of trumb talking 103 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: about how Heritage would be planning how to staff his 104 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: next urb. This is exactly the reaction to that. They 105 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: were up to his standards of going after people this 106 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: first turb and they're trying to fix that. Yeah. 107 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: Well, also, we you know, we did do this. We 108 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: did this project twenty twenty five documentary on YouTube. You 109 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: want to check it out. It continues to live on 110 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: and what. 111 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: It's just crossed one point five million views as a series. 112 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: Right, and what you see when you watch it, and 113 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: what you see even when you just peek around the 114 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: Heritage website, which they somehow continue to leave up despite 115 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: the fact that it Project twenty ray five has like 116 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: a five percent approval rating or something akin to that. 117 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: Is that this was actually a project really to get 118 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: staffers who shared an ideological view with Donald Trump, and 119 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: that was ultimately the goal. So when you look around there, 120 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: you can see there's actual recruiting packets, there's recruit you know, 121 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: there's a place to sort of enter your information. So 122 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: this really was you know that we talk about there 123 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 1: were pillars to this plan, and one of the pillars 124 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: was staffing, and then the other pillar was firing everyone 125 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: who worked in the federal government who was a nonpartisan 126 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: government employee and really making the entire federal government arms 127 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: of the Trump campaign, which is something that if you 128 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: think about it, like your weather will be trumpified, every 129 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: aspect of federal service will be trumpified, you will And 130 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: it's both, I mean, disturbing, but it's also just so 131 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: beyond the pale, So we definitely need to talk about that. 132 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: So also good news, it hopes that none of this 133 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: will matter. Seems KABBLA is pretty popular. What do you 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: seek here? 135 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: So just we got the August fundraising numbers because it's September. 136 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: It's September. Now, Jesse's really sick. If he gets me sick, 137 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him. We got the August fundraising numbers 138 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: and they show that Harris raised about four times as 139 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: much money as Trump. Now, remember the Trump is supported 140 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: by dark money groups. You know you may if you 141 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: live in in certain areas, you're going to be getting 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: mailers that are from dark money groups, like one, there's 143 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: one that Elon Musk is backing America Pack American Pack 144 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: America BacT. But she wears four times as much, she's 145 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: spending three She spent three times more money in August, 146 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: and she still has one hundred million more in the bank. 147 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: So that's good. Look, money doesn't win this campaign. What 148 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: wins this campaign is people getting out there and voting 149 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: and getting their friends and family to vote. 150 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: So, since this is the third Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. 151 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, Georgia, we are looking at 152 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: you to save American democracy. Because it turns out all 153 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: those fucking guys in the Federal government. You know, the 154 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: people in the DOJ did not save American democracy. Interesting 155 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: fact about Donald Trump, Jesse, you want to know an interesting. 156 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: Fact of much? 157 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: I mean, in all honesty, I'd love to never hear 158 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: another one, but I'm gonna ask you anyway. 159 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: Toby, since this man has been running for president from 160 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: nearly a decade, that all of all the presidents since FDR, 161 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: guess which one has spent the shortest number of hours 162 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: each day on the job? Can you, guys? 163 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: I could never ever guess that it's the guy that 164 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: golfs every day at DIGGD. 165 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: Why that's right, my man. He golfs, he watches television, 166 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: he tweets, but executive time, he spends a lot of 167 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: time executiving. 168 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: Throwing ketchup at the walls while watching Fox. 169 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: It's right, speaking of throwing ketchup at the wall, you 170 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: know who wants to throw Fox News is. Problems with 171 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: lying about the twenty twenty election are not over, Nor 172 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: are the news station that makes Fox News look like PBS. 173 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: Can you guess which one it is? 174 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: Is it right Side Broadcasting? Is it America's Voice? 175 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: Isn't news Newsmax? It's got so much news it's called Newsmax, 176 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: but it really has no news. Smart Mattock Suit says 177 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: that Newsmax provide a platform for its host, Donald Trump 178 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: and the former president's attorneys and allies to falsely claim 179 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: that the company software was manipulated to claim the election 180 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: for Present and Biden. Smartmatic is suing them for a 181 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: lot of money. They really would like to make Newsmax. 182 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: They are, you know, the Smartmatic Max, and they're also 183 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: suing Fox. I think they're not going to settle. I 184 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: think it's going to be really really bad for Fox, 185 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: in which I say good. 186 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: So the thing is is, if it's really bad for them, though, 187 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: do we see anything more aside for just their board 188 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: holders not getting as many rdigs. 189 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: Making less money? 190 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: Yet? 191 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: Possibly, look the Fox family. You'll remember the Murdoch family 192 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: is right now in court fighting over the future of 193 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: Fox and the New York Post and all of the 194 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: sort of Murdoch media empires. So I see there's a 195 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: possible world where this ends up being bad for the Murdochs, 196 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: the bad Murdox Lachlan, there are some good Murdochs who 197 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: are not in fact worth remembering that the good Murdoch 198 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: indoors not Lachlan and not Elizabeth but James endorsed Vice 199 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: President Harris. 200 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 3: I saw that. 201 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: We have even more tour dates for you. Did you 202 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 4: know the Lincoln projects, Rick Willson of Fast Politics MALEI 203 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: jug Fast are heading out on tour to bring you 204 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: a night of laughs for our dark political landscape. 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That's Politics as Unusual 224 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 4: dot bio. 225 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and 226 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: the host of the Enemy's List. 227 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: Our first topic. 228 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Is gift to the Democratic Party. 229 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 3: Mister sixteen Electoral College votes. 230 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: He is the Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina. 231 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: A dedicated pornography officionado. He likes to call himself the 232 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 3: black Nazi. 233 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the black hill marks black him. 234 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to be offensive by 235 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: calling him just a Knazen. He's elevated it right up 236 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: to the dail. 237 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. Mark Robinson, you may know him from Naked Africa 238 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: dot com. 239 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: Nude Africa, Momie, there's a difference. Naked Africa it's pornography. 240 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: Nud Africa is art, Yes, neud Africa dot com. So 241 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: I think the question here is when you nominate when 242 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: your only qualification for a Republican elected is fealty to 243 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Yeah, this is what you get right, this is. 244 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: The inevitable end state of a process. 245 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 5: Look, when Trump was elected in sixteen, there was this 246 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 5: period of time where Republicans, even in the House, they 247 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 5: would I still talk to a lot of them. 248 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 3: Back then they would be like, well, I'm gonna find 249 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: my own way. I'll be nice to in, but I 250 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: won't kiss his ass. 251 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 5: And by the end of the twenty twenty cycle, they 252 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 5: were all there like an industrial vacuum cleaner, like limpets 253 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 5: attack us guy, And it became the one qualifying factor 254 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 5: in every primary. It wasn't could the person get elected. 255 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 5: It wasn't could the person raise the money. It wasn't 256 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 5: could the person do the work. It wasn't whether or 257 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 5: not they were they were smart or not criminals, or 258 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 5: or if they could survive even the most rudimentary Google. 259 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: Search, not to mention a research vetting. And so Mark Robinson, guys, 260 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: none of this was a secret in North Carolina. Yeah, 261 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: none of this was a secret. 262 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 5: All this crap came out when he was running for 263 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 5: lieutenant governor. 264 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: It was everybody was talking about. 265 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 5: It, and they all shut up because Donald Trump liked 266 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 5: the guy. They were like, well, maybe nobody will notice 267 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 5: he's got a long history of a crippling pornography addiction, 268 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 5: and then he ripped off the Girl Scouts for three 269 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 5: thousand dollars worth of cookies. 270 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: I mean, look, the porn thing is is just porn, 271 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: dirty dirty cookies. 272 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: Fit Jesse. You're supposed to stop him from doing that. Now, 273 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. There is no We all know there 274 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: is no stopping that's right, yes, But let Rick Wilson 275 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: be Rick Wilson. 276 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 5: You know, I think this philosophical position is management theory 277 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 5: really does work. 278 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: Just let me be, Let me do it, Let me 279 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: do my thing. What's gonna go wrong? What could go on? 280 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: We already got hit her into. 281 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: The conversation in the first possibly go wrong? North Carolina 282 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: does have a history of scandal politicians in North Carolina. 283 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 5: So two years ago, uh, guy running for governor named Cunningham, 284 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 5: great candidate squared away guy, it was revealed he was 285 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: having Sennon I'm sorry, revealed he was having an affair. 286 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 5: The text messages from the affair were so scandalous, and 287 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 5: they were things like I can't wait to kiss you, 288 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 5: I can't wait to kiss you back. 289 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: You, I love you more? 290 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 5: Okay, Pooky instead of instead of Mark Mark Robinson saying, 291 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: I don't even. 292 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: Know what he's going to say now, but I said, 293 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: don't mostly prepare myself that he's going to say something 294 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: really bad. Okay, go saying. 295 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 5: It can in the chat room of a porn site, you. 296 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: Know, notoriously privacy secure, saying. 297 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 5: That he thought slavery was a good idea and he 298 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: would own slaves if he had. 299 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: The opportunity to, and of course. 300 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 5: Talking about his wife's sister having sex with her and 301 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 5: referring to her dookie. 302 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: Shoot. And so at that point you're just like, all right, 303 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: we're gonna. 304 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: Show. 305 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 5: But in the in the big picture, this is a 306 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 5: guy who his inadequacies as a candidate. Yeah, we're unbelievably clear. 307 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 3: Ahead of time, his campaign was already twelve points behind. 308 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 5: Yes, in this in North Carolina, and you know the 309 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 5: top of the ticket in every state is the presidential race, 310 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 5: where it was a tie ball game and now it's 311 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 5: starting to slip. 312 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: Why because Mark Robinson. 313 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 5: Is a gigantic boat anchor around Donald Trump's campaign. 314 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I love to see it. 315 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 5: I am, I am really okay, I more Mark Robinson's 316 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 5: in the future. I really encourage them to stay pure 317 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: to Trump pick guys like Mark, who really do. 318 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: He's the Doctor Oz of North Carolina. 319 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 5: He's kind of the Doctor Oz of Hannibal Lecters of 320 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 5: North Carolina. 321 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: Yes, the Doctor Oz and Hannibal Lecters of North Carolina. 322 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: And and he's yeah, I think it's I think it's 323 00:17:58,920 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: honestly a good thing. 324 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 5: But again, it does go back to the fact that 325 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 5: the party that I represented for thirty five years of 326 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 5: my career. 327 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: Is not a party anymore. 328 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 5: It is this cult where nothing else, nothing else matters 329 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 5: except are they loyal to Trump? 330 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: Do they love Trump? Do they kiss Trump's ass in public? 331 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 5: Are they willing to do and say anything to make 332 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 5: Trump happy? You know what the upside of that is, 333 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 5: Wilson's law always applies. In the end, everything Trump touches dies. 334 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 5: These people that do this and run and get and 335 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 5: get get just wrecked. 336 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: It's because there are low quality candidates. 337 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 338 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look Carrie. 339 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: Lake in Arizona, he's running again. 340 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: She's running again. 341 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 5: And how she has the time to run for office 342 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 5: while serving as governor, it just it's a mystery to me. 343 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: But you know, she's going to get wrecked. Yeah, she's 344 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 3: gonna get hurt. 345 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: Her she'll Walker of Mark just check in. The cash 346 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: grab for the Trump family goes on. 347 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: I want to show of hands today. 348 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 5: If I say the words trumpy trout, does anyone know 349 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 5: what I'm talking about? 350 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: Oh? All right, see we have okay, explain what trump 351 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: Trout is. 352 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 5: Once upon a time in the nineteen nineties, there was 353 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 5: a creation that came from some fiendish mind called big 354 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 5: Mouth Billy Bass. Oh yeah, and big Mouth Billy Bass 355 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 5: sang the song take Me to the River, famous by 356 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 5: the Talking Heads, of course, but prior to that it 357 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 5: was Jesse probably has a better musical knowledge of who 358 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 5: wrote and produced it. 359 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: Initially, I actually don't know this is it? Okay, there 360 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: you go. 361 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 5: But now there's a product called Trumpy Trout. It is 362 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 5: an animated fish mathon plaque on the wall that speaks 363 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 5: in Donald Trump's voice. Now, first off, this struck me 364 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 5: as like the greatest pitch for an indie horror film. 365 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: Ever, great crowd. 366 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 5: But thinking of a fish yelling at you from across 367 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 5: the house in Trump's voice, It's just like it is 368 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 5: nightmare fuel of the first order. 369 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: But I want to fish. I want a trumpy fish 370 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: that tells me I'm a bad jew That's. 371 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 5: What I if I'm not re elected, is the fault 372 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 5: of the Jews. 373 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if you guys heard that before, 374 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: but it was better. As they say, the original. 375 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Germany not great. 376 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: But look they're selling Trump bitcoin, bitcoin, Trump NFT. 377 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: Cards, Trump silver dollars, silver dollars. 378 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 5: From sneakers, those TAMU knockoff Trump's gold. 379 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Sneakers, Trump NFTs. 380 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, they also have another sneaker to their two sneakers 381 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: you sell. 382 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 5: There's the gold one from the Teamy ones and the 383 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 5: Bitcoin sneakers, which, as you know, sneakers have a major 384 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 5: role in bitcoin. 385 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: And then there's Milania. I feel like we should do 386 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: a whole segment on Milania. 387 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: Now. 388 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: I have watched the Mulania video, her like trailer for 389 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: the book so many times. I watched it before. I've 390 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: watched it on television trying to make heads of tails 391 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: of it. And she wants to honor her beautiful body, 392 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: and she does not know why the mainstream media is 393 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: shaming her. The mainstream media, you know. 394 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 5: Not that not that I noticed in the actual shaming. 395 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 5: I was more interested in the other chapters in the book, 396 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 5: vas Poison, not hirking. 397 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: Prevent tracking them. Cell phone discount shovel from Amazon. 398 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: I think those are her Google service. Yes, no, Milania 399 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: has a book. The book ranges in price because this 400 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: is how much books cost, from two hundred and fifty dollars. Okay, 401 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: I've written some books, none of them, and you've written 402 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: some books and none of them have cost two hundred 403 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: and fifty dollars. 404 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: Listen, you're just there better be something in that book. 405 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 5: That shocks the census for two hundred and fifty dollars. 406 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: So they go from two hundred and fifty to seventy 407 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: five for an autographed and forty just for this straight 408 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: book with no bells and whistles. Right again, we can't 409 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: is there a foldout? 410 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: Right? 411 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: We can't speak to the content of the book because 412 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: no one can afford to buy it. But it's you know, 413 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: but it is Melania getting it. 414 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 5: It does the already of Milania complaining about people shaming 415 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 5: her and not remembering she's married to Donald Trump. 416 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: If you want shame, yeah, But. 417 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: I also think that it does feel like a last 418 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: minute cash grab because the kids are doing like bitcoin schemes. 419 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 5: You know, they've got Baron Trump involved in a bitcoin scheme, right, 420 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 5: And I'm just thinking, oh, yes, you know, one should 421 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 5: turn to Baron Trump for financial financial products and services. 422 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 3: But you know, it reminded me there was a cult 423 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 3: in Japan called Omshin. 424 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 5: Wikio and they did this like they poisoned the Tokyo subway. Crazy, right, 425 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 5: But the leader of the colt for years funded the 426 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 5: cult by selling things like his dirty bathwater and he 427 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 5: sold it under the name Miracle Pond. 428 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: And people find I had healing properties. 429 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 5: He sold his dirty t shirts, his dirty towels, clippings 430 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 5: of his hair and fingernails. And I think we're getting 431 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 5: toward Don Chinrikio. Now he's gonna be selling like his 432 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 5: used depends. Soon he's gonna be He's already cut. 433 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: Up his suits and selling them. 434 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: It's like. 435 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 3: It's like the guy the guy will be selling Don 436 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 3: Junior has two kidneys. He only needs one. 437 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 5: You can have this commemorative kidney to remember the Trump era. 438 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: But I do think it is it. I mean the 439 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: fundamental thing which we never talk about. And I feel 440 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: like a lot of times it'll be on a panel 441 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: talking with smart people on television and I want to 442 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: fake them and be like the man is running to 443 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: stay out of jail. Correct, can't we take anything he 444 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: says serious? Like he's running to pay lawyers. 445 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 5: Yes, Look, the Trump campaign in the last since twenty 446 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 5: twenty has raised about six hundred and fifty million dollars. Now, 447 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 5: they skim off I'm not joking here. They skim off 448 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 5: about forty percent of that for the family. And they're 449 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 5: various companies. 450 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: And people make crazy salaries like Don's girlfriend makes his salary. 451 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: Eric's wife makes a salary that. 452 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: Fund of them. 453 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 5: The most conservative calculation on legal fees alone is one 454 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty eight million dollars. That's a conservative estimate. Now, look, 455 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 5: if you're a guy with that much criminal overhang, you need, 456 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 5: you need that much money. I mean, I'm involved in 457 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 5: one lawsuit. Mike Flynn is suing me because I was 458 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 5: mean to him on Twitter. 459 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: But it don't but Mike Flinn, it turns out that 460 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: guy's very persistent. 461 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: He's persistent. 462 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been a it has been a sub 463 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 5: offtimately fun year of legal proceedings. 464 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 3: I can tell you how much lawyers cost. Trump is. 465 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: Trump is spending every penny he can spend. 466 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 5: To stay out of prison because he does understand that 467 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 5: at some point when the idea of the fantasy that 468 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 5: Donald Trump is immune from. 469 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: Pros of a plan, the concept from prosecution. 470 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 5: The concept of the of the idea of a plan, 471 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: and and things start closing in on him, there will 472 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 5: be people who say to President Harris, They'll say. 473 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: We need you guys. By the way, no pressure, but 474 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: your state matter. 475 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: You guys are kind of the center of the universe. 476 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: Let's get on here. 477 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, tell your friends. We need you guys, 478 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: But you guys can some postcards, some mailers. 479 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: Chats and messages. 480 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but for the next fifty forty seven days, 481 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: I think forty six. Yeah, you guys are like the 482 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: vivips man. 483 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: I haven't slept for nine years. I'm just so excited 484 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: to just. 485 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: Be glad you're not in Pennsylvania because those guys are 486 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: going through some stuff. Yeah, everyone in the world is 487 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: going to Pennsylvania every day until the election. Except Trump. 488 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, I just I think Trump has 489 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: so told you what this is about. Again. He's trying 490 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 3: to stay out of jail. I've been involved in a 491 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: lot of. 492 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 5: Presidential work over the years, a lot, you know what, 493 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 5: No Canada, I've ever dealt with, has ever done. 494 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 3: A single time in a real race, gone golfing. He 495 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: golf's three days a week. This guy has checked out. 496 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 3: He's gone by by already. 497 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 5: There's nothing up there anymore except like various thirty year 498 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 5: old beefs and weird paranoid fantasies and this. And it's 499 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 5: like a it's like a mad Libs. I remember mad 500 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 5: Libs when you were a kid. 501 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he just comes out and it's like 502 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: China rights. 503 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: My ignorance, poisoning the blood of our country. 504 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 5: By the way, I think we should all just take 505 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 5: a moment and a moment of respect for the cat 506 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 5: that was the center of the entire bullshit Haitian story. Yeah, 507 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 5: it was living in the basement, Sassy Baby, Sassy the cat. 508 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: I have to tell you before we came out here. 509 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 5: I'm on the I'm on my I'm on signal, I'm 510 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 5: on the phone with my my staff. The Lincoln Project 511 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 5: and the cat jokes, the cat jokes night are hot 512 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 5: and heavy, and there may be a cat parody account. 513 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: I'm on Twitter now. I don't know. 514 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 5: But as Molly said, she goes, it's really kind of 515 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 5: scary when they're calling you to make sure something isn't 516 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 5: going too far. 517 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: That's what I did. They were like, is that okay, 518 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: mister Wilson. And I'm like, you're asking him. No, He's 519 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: going to tell you it's too much. 520 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: You know, my notorious sense of restraint. 521 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: That's right known for that. But I do think Look, 522 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: it is this weird moment and and a lot of 523 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: Republicans are checked out or Trump is checked out. You 524 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: know who's not checked out? Lindsey Graham. Where did Lindsey 525 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Graham go? 526 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 3: Right, Lindsey Graham? 527 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 5: Who have there was such a scenario from a happier life. 528 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 5: But instead he decided that. 529 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: The North Korean propagandist would. 530 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 5: Be yes, that he was going to become, you know, 531 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 5: Donald Trump's biggest fanboy and shill. 532 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: And so this week he's. 533 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 5: Out in Nebraska trying to convince the state. And this 534 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 5: should tell you how desperate the Trump people are. Yeah, okay, 535 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 5: he's out there trying to convince the state Senate and 536 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 5: the governor to remove the system of allocation in Nebraska 537 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 5: from the congressional district system and making it a. 538 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: Winner fotball system. 539 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, one electoral vote vote. 540 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: We've got one state senator out there, I think his 541 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: name is McConnell McDonald, McDonald, one. 542 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 5: State center out there, who could probably use a couple 543 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 5: of nice emails saying you're doing the right thing, brother, Yeah, 544 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 5: because I. 545 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: Don't break up with all the death threats. 546 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: I will tell you he's getting. 547 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 5: He's getting a tidal wave of death threats right now. 548 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 5: That's what these people do. And we we live through it, 549 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 5: both of us, all the time. 550 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: You know. 551 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 5: And the good the good part about it is that 552 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 5: ninety nine point of them are meal Team six gravy 553 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 5: seals sitting behind. 554 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 3: Their keyboards somewhere. I will I will destroy you, cock. 555 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: But but you know, you always have to watch out 556 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 3: for the one percent asshole. 557 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes they show up by your house. 558 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: They show up out my house from time to time. 559 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: They've even shown up, I mean yeah, although although I. 560 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: Have I have. There is a summon out front yea 561 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: no trespassing private property. 562 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 5: And there's one close to the door that says, this 563 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 5: is a reminder Florida as a standard ground state. 564 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: Good for you, but these enter down. 565 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: Harris has a gun. 566 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, do what? 567 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: Does everybody have a gun but me? 568 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: That was what I was like I have offered you 569 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: so many guns. Oh no, okay, can you imagine Molly? 570 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 5: Can you imagine Molly strapped? 571 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: You can't have guns in New York City. That's supposed 572 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: to well, Donald Trump has except everyone else. 573 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: Donald Trump had a gun in New York City. But 574 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: he can't need more. You know why, because he's a fellow. 575 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how 576 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: awful Trump's second term could be, Well so are we, 577 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: which is why we teamed up with iHeart to make 578 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: a limited series with the experts on what a disaster 579 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now, 580 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: we have just released the final episode of this five 581 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: episode series. They're all available by looking up Molly Jong 582 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you 583 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: are more of a podcast person and not say a YouTuber, 584 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: you can hit play and put your phone in the 585 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: lock screen and it will play back just like the podcast. 586 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: All five episodes are online now. We need to educate 587 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could due 588 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: to this country, So please watch it and spread the word. 589 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: Souzaid Craig is a journalist of the New York Times 590 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: and the author of Lucky Loser, How Donald Trump Squad 591 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: or does Father's fortune have built the illusion of success? 592 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Uzann Craig, Thanks for this is exciting. 593 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm very excited about this book. But also we are friends, 594 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: so in real life we are. It's especially great to 595 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: have somebody on the podcast where you really like them 596 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: and you're just delighted to get to talk to them. 597 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: So that is I you know, sometimes I say it 598 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: because like I feel like it's a conflict, but I'm 599 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: saying it here because it's like I feel like it's 600 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: just a delight. 601 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 6: Well, I want to say, you've been through some of 602 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 6: this book journey with me and I've been talking about it, 603 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 6: and yeah, I saw each other so much during the 604 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 6: Trump criminal trial. You know, we were on air a lot, 605 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 6: and you know, we've been through a lot, and you know, 606 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 6: I people covered Trump usually get to know people better 607 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 6: during one of his trials. So here we are. But 608 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 6: it's I'm really glad we've become friends. 609 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, oh, me too. And the book, it is 610 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: so beautiful and it's so exciting and it's called Lucky Loser. 611 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: How Donald trump'squandered his family's fortune and created the illusion 612 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: of success. I do want to say one of the 613 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: moments of the last two weeks that it really has 614 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: spoke to me is when Vice President Harris said to 615 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you inherited all this money? Were you like? Oh? Wow? 616 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 6: You know what's interesting is that story keeps coming up. 617 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 6: We faced it a lot in twenty sixteen because he 618 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 6: didn't have a record of being President Ryan and a 619 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 6: lot of people were asking him about his businesses, and 620 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 6: he would keep talking about how he got a small 621 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 6: loan from his father, that his father was this small 622 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 6: time builder out in the outer boroughs of New York. 623 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 6: I sort of thought, in some ways we'd gotten beyond it. 624 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 6: But it is something that gets under his skin, and 625 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 6: that's why she brought it up. And again he just 626 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 6: doubles down on this idea that he did it all himself, 627 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 6: and he didn't. But he won't let it go. And 628 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 6: it's almost like he has come to believe that he 629 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 6: didn't inherit hundreds of millions of dollars from his father. 630 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 6: It's one of those things. It just gets under his skin. 631 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 6: And she has his number, and she asked him and again. 632 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 6: He told the lie. 633 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: Here's a really interesting thing that I'm hoping you could 634 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: talk to us about. This is sort of before the book. 635 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: You are the person who got a little bit of 636 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: the tax returns. 637 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 6: Right right, So this is kind of a real. 638 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: This is an amazing, like cinematic moment. 639 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 6: It's a journle with Odyssey, and I love telling it 640 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 6: because I love reporting so much. And it was okay, 641 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 6: good this moment where So I was covering Governor Cuomo 642 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 6: in Albany for a few years and then I get 643 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 6: set down to City Hall to be the bureau chief. 644 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 6: Down at City Hall, build A. Blasio is the mayor. 645 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 6: I was there three weeks. I get a call from 646 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 6: the Metro editor. He says, Sue, He says, can you 647 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 6: just take a break for a couple months. We want 648 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 6: to just we want to do kind of one big 649 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 6: story on what Donald Trump owns or doesn't own in 650 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 6: New York. I worked on it with a colleague, and 651 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 6: I was promised, you know, Donald Trump's probably going to 652 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 6: be out of the race, you know, in six months 653 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 6: or so. So this is really short term assignment. So 654 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 6: I started covering him. I never went back to City Hall. 655 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 6: I didn't even go to get the stuff that was 656 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 6: on my desk, and we just started writing about him. 657 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 6: So did Russ Butner, my colleague who I wrote a 658 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 6: book with Everybody in two thousand and sixteen, was looking 659 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 6: for Donald Trump's tax returns and he had promised he 660 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 6: would release them, and then he didn't. And this was, 661 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 6: you know, I think a lot of reporters across the 662 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 6: city and in different newspapers around the country were looking 663 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 6: for them, including us, and we did not have much luck, 664 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 6: but we were still writing stories that we could find 665 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 6: about his finances. And then one day in September twenty sixteen, 666 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 6: several weeks before the twenty sixteen election, I'm just, you know, 667 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 6: wandering around the news room one afternoon. I was actually 668 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 6: closing a story involving Hillary Clinton, but I loved mail, 669 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 6: and I swung by my mailbox to see if there 670 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 6: was any mail. There was a manila envelope in my 671 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 6: mailbox and I it was addressed to me. I opened it, 672 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 6: and inside weird three pages of what looked like Donald 673 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 6: Trump's nineteen ninety five tax returns. And I looked at 674 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 6: it and I scanned it, and I saw very quickly 675 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 6: that his losses. If this document was true in nineteen 676 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 6: ninety five had almost a billion dollars in accumulated lots. 677 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 6: It's for just that year. So this guy who's run 678 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 6: on the idea of being a self made billionaire, is 679 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 6: you know, just hemorrhaging money if this is true. But 680 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 6: we worked round the clock on that to try and 681 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 6: confirm it, and we did. We talked to the accountant 682 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 6: who signed the document and he confirmed it was true. 683 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 6: So we went to press with that. That was like 684 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 6: a huge story at the time because it was the 685 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 6: first tax returns that had been obtained. Even though they 686 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 6: were older, that were we were able to get to publication. 687 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 6: So then fast forward, we start looking at this just 688 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 6: this idea that he came from nothing, like he ran 689 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 6: for president on the idea that he is a self 690 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 6: made man, he's a billionaire, and he sold this story 691 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 6: to the country and a lot of people believe it. 692 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 6: So we started to look at his father's wealth and 693 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 6: we spent actually eighteen months my colleagues rescipe her in 694 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 6: another colleague of mine, looking at what Fred Trump owned 695 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 6: and the story that came out of that. By the way, 696 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 6: Mary Trump, donald Trump's niece, no one knew at the time, 697 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 6: but she was working with us and she had given us. 698 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was what I was going to ask. She 699 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: was the one who'd slipped the pages to you right. 700 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 6: Right right, and so not the first ones, but this 701 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 6: current story. So we were working, you know, working away 702 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 6: on Fred and you know, she had been in litigation 703 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 6: with the family in two thousand and we went out 704 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 6: to see her. She was very reluctant at first to 705 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 6: talk to me. I went to the door, I wrote 706 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 6: her letters just I was trying out to be a pastor. 707 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 6: But I was persistent, and she eventually agreed to see me, 708 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 6: and we talked and she said, I don't really know 709 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 6: what's in those boxes. And I knew there was something 710 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 6: in there because she'd gone to Discovery. She goes, I 711 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 6: don't know. It was like, you know, almost twenty years ago. 712 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 6: She goes, you know what, I'm going to go get them. 713 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 6: She was really upset about what was going on about 714 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 6: her uncle and is not a Republican and just was 715 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 6: sort of appalled by the whole situation. So she secretly 716 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 6: agreed to help us, and she went and got all 717 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 6: of the boxes that were hers, that were at her 718 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 6: lawyer's office and she gave them to us, and then 719 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 6: for months, it went on for almost a year, we 720 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 6: analyzed all of this information. And the information that we 721 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 6: got mainly had to do with bred Trump's empire because 722 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 6: this lawsuit she was involved in was in two thousand. 723 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 6: But we were able to piece together from that and 724 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 6: from other sources that we had that Donald Trump inherited 725 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 6: at the time and it's more now if we adjust 726 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 6: it for inflation, but it was more than four hundred 727 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 6: million dollars and that fortune. We were also able to 728 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 6: see he enhanced it through tax fraud. That was huge. 729 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 6: That story was, you know, really significant and really just 730 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 6: laid bare this this lie that he has been telling 731 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 6: that he's this self made guy. And we were super fortunate. 732 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 6: We want to Pullitzer Prize for that, which was amazing. 733 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 6: And then like in journalism, you know, we're now like 734 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 6: what do we do? And and you know, what's the 735 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 6: next story? And we got at that point, somebody else 736 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 6: reached out to us and they had more tax return 737 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 6: information and that tax information was from the nineteen covered 738 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 6: a lot of the nineteen eighties, and we started looking 739 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 6: at it. We were able to first of all, verify 740 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 6: that it was true, and we found things like the 741 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 6: year he released The Art of the DL this book 742 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 6: that he's the ultimate deal baker, that he lost tens 743 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 6: of millions of dollars that year. And we also were 744 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 6: able to because we were able to get a hold 745 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 6: of some old IRS databases with a lot of taxpayer 746 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 6: information in it, we were able to see that I 747 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 6: think it was at least in one year he lost 748 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 6: more than any other individual taxpayer in America. It was crazy. 749 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 6: And then, you know, we kept poking around for more stories, 750 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 6: and we had found another source who gave us twenty 751 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 6: some years of Donald Trump's personal and corporate tax return 752 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 6: information and that was just sort of the you know, 753 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 6: opened up the whole world for us where we were 754 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 6: able to seek year in and year out what all 755 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 6: of his businesses were making. And we found out, I 756 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 6: think it's what he made from The Apprentice, which was 757 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 6: important because he'd made so much money from this product, 758 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 6: placement on the shows, from licensing deals. But we also 759 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 6: saw that for the most part, all of his businesses 760 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 6: they lose money. And so you see he's inherited, you know, 761 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 6: this huge amount of money from his father. He made 762 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 6: almost the same amount from Mark Burnett. It was in 763 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 6: The Apprentice. It was sort of a second inheritance, and 764 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 6: then he lost it investing in all these kind of 765 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 6: crazy businesses that he's keeping. You know, they lose money. 766 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 6: He has to put more capital. And that's where we 767 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 6: came up with the title. You know, he's been very 768 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 6: fortunate in life. He was born into a rich family. 769 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,959 Speaker 6: He met Mark Burnett turned him into a television star 770 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 6: where he made more money, but he's essentially a loser 771 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 6: when it comes to business. 772 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: So interesting and also just fascinating how you sort of 773 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: get there now. I want you to talk to me. 774 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: We're going to pivot though we're very much in the 775 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: same whalehouse here to talk about the Stormy Daniels story 776 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: that's in the book. 777 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 6: I had a feeling he might zero in and that 778 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 6: when it's a listing one. So you know, in Stormy Daniels, 779 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 6: Donald Trump has denied that he has had a fair 780 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 6: sexual relation with her. But it was the center of 781 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 6: a recent trial in Manhattan that he was found guilty 782 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 6: on thirty four felt any counts, and as part of 783 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 6: the trial we learned and actually it's in her book, 784 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 6: but she had a trip to Trump Tower in February 785 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 6: of two thousand and seven, and there's been discussion about 786 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 6: it in different places, and we just found this crazy 787 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 6: story that we hadn't heard before. I mean, it just 788 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 6: sort of goes to how frenatic his life was at 789 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 6: the time. He was working on The Apprentice, he was 790 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 6: just getting all these licensing deals in. He was in 791 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 6: the celebrity world. And we talked to this fellow named 792 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 6: Neil Hobday. He was working overseas for Donald Trump, mainly 793 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 6: putting together golf courses. He was working on the Scottish 794 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 6: golf course. That was one of his main charges, and 795 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 6: a lot of what he would have to do, the 796 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 6: interactions he would have with Donald would be in Scotland, 797 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,919 Speaker 6: but he would come to Head Office occasionally to see 798 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 6: Donald Trump. So he's in New York in February of 799 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 6: two thousand and seven. He comes in to meet Donald 800 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 6: and Donald is in a meeting with a woman who 801 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 6: is very well endowed and blonde hair, and Neil's invited 802 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 6: into the meeting and there's a quick moment where Neil 803 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 6: meets this woman and then she leaves, and then Donald 804 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 6: Trump and Neil hobbed They are standing there and Donald's like, 805 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,720 Speaker 6: you're not going to believe this, And he shows Neil 806 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 6: this deck of playing cards that this woman had given 807 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 6: Donald and it was a playing cards and on the 808 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 6: front there was various positions of the woman naked in 809 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 6: various sexual positions and Donald just was totally delighted on this. 810 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 6: And then he also was there. He was laughing with 811 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 6: Neil and said, oh, yeah, and this woman has pitched 812 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 6: me on a pornographic evangelical channel. 813 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 1: Oh I'm smart. 814 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 6: Neil is just like, this is nuts. And then you're 815 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 6: he realizes that the woman that he met was Stormy Daniels. 816 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 6: And then we've been in touch with Stormy Daniels and 817 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 6: she remember, yeah, and she remembers giving Donald Trump the 818 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 6: playing cards. And that's just one of many anecdotes in 819 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 6: the book that just capture We tried at each turn 820 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 6: to really capture just what Donald Trump's like life was 821 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 6: like at any given moment in the year, and that 822 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 6: one was just one that just really spoke to sort 823 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 6: of I think some of the craziness that was going 824 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 6: on in his life at the time. 825 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: Wow, right, And also that she exists and that they 826 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: had met, and that all of his lying about it is. 827 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean, did you have other stories like that where 828 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: they were so clearly not true? But somehow Trump has 829 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: refuted them again and again, even though you know you 830 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: have documentation of them in the book. 831 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 3: No. 832 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting he did not speak to us 833 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 6: for the book. We tried several times to engage the 834 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 6: Trump campaign, and also we tried to engage them for 835 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 6: the book excerpt that ran in the New York Times. 836 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 6: You know, when we have a book coming out, excerpt 837 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 6: sometimes run in different places. And he has declined to 838 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 6: engage us. You know, I haven't spoken to him personally, 839 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 6: so I can't speak for him on it, but I 840 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 6: would imagine he's not happy that we have a lot 841 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 6: of his financial information, but he has refused to even 842 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 6: pick up the phone and speak to us, or his 843 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 6: people haven't even responded to our questions. 844 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: But he is suing you. 845 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 6: Well, that's an interesting question. Let's break that down. He 846 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 6: sued us a few years ago, and he sued The 847 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 6: New York Times, myself, my colleague Russ Butner, and another 848 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 6: colleague of mine, who were involved in that twenty eighteen story. 849 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,439 Speaker 6: In that suit, Mary Trump was also named, and he 850 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 6: went to court. He was very upset that Mary had 851 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 6: signed confidentiality agreement when when she came to the settlement 852 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 6: in two thousand and according to his lawyers, you know, 853 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 6: she had agreed not to give out any documents, and 854 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 6: of course she gave me all these documents. So we 855 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 6: went to court and we were in court with you know, 856 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 6: Mary's attorneys were there, and ultimately, you know, he was 857 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 6: accusing me of torture interference for you know, coursing Mary 858 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 6: to give me the documents. You know, she wanted to 859 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 6: give us the document She's been clear about that in 860 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 6: her book. But he came after all of us, and 861 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 6: then the judge threw us out of the case. Dal 862 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 6: Trump's case against Mary is still going forward, but we 863 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 6: were we were thrown out, and he was forced to 864 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 6: pay our legal fees can do about four hundred thousand dollars. 865 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 6: Then supperately on Sunday, I got a letter in my 866 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 6: inbox Sunday night from Donald Trump's lawyers and it was 867 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 6: addressed to the editor of The New York Times. Rus Butner, 868 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 6: my co author on Lucky Loser, and myself about the 869 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 6: excerpt that ran in the New York Times. And it 870 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 6: was a cease and desist letter. They were unhappy with 871 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 6: some things that were set in the article, and they're 872 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 6: sort of putting us on warning by sending that sort 873 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 6: of letter that they may sue right now, just against 874 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 6: the paper. I don't know if they've read the book 875 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 6: and what else they have planned, or if they even 876 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 6: and tend to sue. Donald Trump's pretty litigious, So I'd 877 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 6: never like to say where it's going to head. But 878 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 6: that's always serious stuff when it happens. You know, we 879 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 6: feel we stand by every word in the book and 880 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 6: every word that was in the excerpt, but you know, 881 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 6: you never know where things could go. 882 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it is the playbook right, This 883 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: is how he does it. 884 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 6: Right, and he you know, and having you know, lawsuits 885 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 6: filed does you know, sometimes have a chilling effect. It 886 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 6: can just suck up time and energy. And you know, we, 887 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 6: you know, are just determined to continue our work and 888 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 6: sort of just set it aside. If it's going to happen, 889 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,479 Speaker 6: it's going to happen. We can't control it. This work 890 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 6: is so important and I just want to say, like 891 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 6: the New York Times support of our work has been incredible. 892 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,280 Speaker 6: We have been at this for almost a decade now, 893 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 6: and they supported us from the beginning. I mean, we 894 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 6: kept getting stories, but they did not waiver. They feel 895 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 6: that it's incredibly important that readers in America understand the 896 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 6: workings of the person who's in the oval office of 897 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 6: their finances, and they understand the pressures that they might 898 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 6: be under. And if we don't understand the finances, sometimes 899 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 6: decisions could be made that could benefit that individual, and 900 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 6: the American public will never know. And that New York 901 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 6: Times was early and understanding how important it is that 902 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 6: we have as much information as we can about the 903 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 6: finances of the people running for the highest office in 904 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 6: the land and the person then holding that office. 905 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's really important as we're talking 906 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: about that people on the left and on the right 907 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: are often mad about editorial decisions. They're mad about sometimes 908 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: they're mad about the titles of pieces or you know, 909 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 1: a ross dose are op ed. But a lot of 910 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of how we understand the world 911 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: come from these reporting, which is a completely separate animal 912 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: and has nothing to do with what happens on the 913 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: editorial page, and places like New York Times really do 914 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: provide this reporting that otherwise we would not have no right. 915 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 6: And it's hard and it's expensive to dedicate people to 916 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 6: do it, and we try to get it right every day, 917 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,280 Speaker 6: and I think we do. And I think that the times, 918 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 6: you know, in my small, little you know, my little 919 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 6: life where I'm doing this, I think it's been worth it. 920 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 6: It's important, and I think in this world, you know, 921 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 6: one of the questions is, well, is this book really 922 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,359 Speaker 6: going to matter? Is your work at the times it's 923 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 6: really going to matter? 924 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 3: You know? 925 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 6: People, you know, we're sort of post back. And I 926 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 6: still think that the majority of Americans want facts. They do. 927 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 6: I think that sometimes the people that we hear from 928 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,439 Speaker 6: are just the people with the megaphones and they make 929 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 6: the loudest noise so they're amplified. But I think when 930 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 6: you sit back, the vast majority of Americans do want 931 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 6: the facts. And Russ and I we wrote this book. 932 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 6: At the end, we were very careful about footnoting it 933 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 6: because we know people are going to want to note 934 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 6: now where the information comes. But twenty or fifty years 935 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 6: from now that they're going to be able to pick 936 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 6: up this book, a lot of the people won't be alive. 937 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 6: They won't be able to bear witness again. But we've 938 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 6: got the footnotes so that you can see where the 939 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 6: information came from. It's important, you know, It's I always 940 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 6: joke I'm a reporter. If you cut me, I probably 941 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 6: will bleed ink. And I just as this is, this 942 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 6: is my cause, this is you know, the you know 943 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,360 Speaker 6: what runs through my veins. 944 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really good point. But I also just 945 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: wonder do you think that Donald Trump is making money 946 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: off running for president and that that is enough money 947 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: that could get him out of the sort of financial 948 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: peril that he has been in and out of. 949 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,760 Speaker 6: It's tough. You know, he's making money currently selling things 950 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 6: like sneakers and bibles, and that's not enough. Not only 951 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 6: when you think he's you know, he's shrinking his empire. 952 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 6: He sold the lease for the old Post Office hotel 953 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 6: in Washington. That hotel was losing money. He's facing just 954 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 6: crushing fines in New York on various fronts. Let's just 955 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 6: take the New York Attorney General's case of that is 956 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 6: upheld on appeal. He'll have to write a check for 957 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 6: you know, upwards of four hundred million dollars. I just 958 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 6: don't think that those sort of licensing deals are enough 959 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,840 Speaker 6: to shore up you know, what he's facing it. We 960 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 6: talk a bit about that in the book, and I 961 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 6: just I just want to say, moll when people pick 962 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 6: up the book. There's been you know, different books written. 963 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 6: A lot of them have been about the White House. 964 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,800 Speaker 6: Some of them have been before. But our book really 965 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 6: does try to step back and we tell a story 966 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,759 Speaker 6: of one hundred years. It's a narrative, and we start 967 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,840 Speaker 6: with Fred Trump, we go through his relationship with Donald 968 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 6: and all the way up to the White House, and 969 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 6: we tell a story and we build it with anecdotes. 970 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 6: It's just a different sort of book. I think of 971 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 6: it as kind of a wild ride. There's a lot 972 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 6: of crazy stuff in it, but we try to look 973 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 6: at Fred and Donald and sort of how Donald became 974 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 6: who he was, not just through his father, but also 975 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 6: that time in the seventies and the eighties when he 976 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 6: was rising through New York and nobody was questioning his 977 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 6: claims that he was a billionaire, and just how that happened, 978 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 6: because it also looks a little bit at America as well, 979 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 6: and how he was enabled in that time to get 980 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 6: to the point where he is today. 981 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,479 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you. I hope 982 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: you'll come back. 983 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 6: I will and thank you very much. It's great to 984 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:54,799 Speaker 6: hear your voice again. And I'll see you soon. 985 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,439 Speaker 3: And a moment. 986 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon, Molly Jung Fast, I'm going to read you 987 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 2: a truth from Donald Trump that you're going to be shocked. 988 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 2: Doesn't contain much, you got it. 989 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 1: You gotta do air quotes around truth. 990 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 2: Yes, well that that's a little hard and podcasting. 991 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 3: AnyWho. 992 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 2: Women are poorer than they were four years ago, are 993 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,760 Speaker 2: less healthy than they were four years ago, are less 994 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,919 Speaker 2: safe on the streets than they were four years ago, 995 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,839 Speaker 2: are more depressed and unhappy than they were four years ago, 996 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 2: and are less optimistic that and confident in the future 997 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 2: than they were four years ago. Fix all that and fast. 998 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 2: Women will be happy, healthy, confident, and free. You will 999 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 2: no longer be thinking about abortion because it is now 1000 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 2: where it always has to be. With the states and 1001 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 2: a vote for the people. Powerful exceptions like those that 1002 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan insisted on, rape, incest, and the life of 1003 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 2: the mother. I will protect women at a level never 1004 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 2: seen before. They will be healthy, hopeful, safe and secure. 1005 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 2: Their lives will be happy, beautiful and great again. 1006 00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 1: My favorite part about this post. I'm not even gonna 1007 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: say truth because it's not anywhere near a truth. Is 1008 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump provided this in all caps with almost 1009 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: no punctuation. So look, he clearly saw a focus group 1010 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,439 Speaker 1: that said, this fucking guy is losing women, but he's 1011 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: not losing women by enough. That's all I can say. 1012 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 3: If you're a. 1013 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: Woman and you have any sense of, you know, wanting 1014 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 1: to have any control over your body, you should not 1015 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: vote for this fucking guy. Heart agree and he and 1016 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: his hot takes about abortion, which, by the way, he 1017 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 1: is the person who took that away from the and 1018 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,359 Speaker 1: from women in this country. His hot takes are our 1019 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 1: moment of fuckery. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 1020 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the 1021 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 1: best minds in politics makes sense of all this chaos. 1022 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,799 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to 1023 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,280 Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks 1024 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: for listening.