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Speaker 1: and without further introduction, Mary Mattlin and husband James Carvel,

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Speaker 1: welcome both of you to this podcast series. So we

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Speaker 1: don't do this together, I have to start by asking

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Speaker 1: Mary and James separately, when did you meet Rush? Mary

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Speaker 1: gonna go first, I thank you. I know you met

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Speaker 1: him before I did. Oh go ahead, honey, I met

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Speaker 1: him we visited him. He had used to have an

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Speaker 1: the time, honey? We went with Rossert and his wife

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Speaker 1: But Rush and James ironically hit it off, and I

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Speaker 1: late eighties, and then we've been constant companions since then,

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Speaker 1: as James will tell you, since I never turned him off. Now,

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Speaker 1: I miss seeing both of you. Remember those Tim Russard

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Speaker 1: who I mean, we love seeing your family on Meet

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Speaker 1: golden age of Meet the Press. James. Let me, James

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Speaker 1: to Tim Russard in our relationship is James tell him.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think, James, you said we were

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Speaker 1: and within a few months or a year, sometimes maybe longer.

427
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: Whatever he predicted would start to happen. You know, the

428
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: beauty the gift you gave him, and you would challenge him,

429
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: and you would poke holton him, and you made his

430
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: particularly as he was thinking. That was another thing he

431
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: did that I've never seen anybody do with the aplom

432
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: that he did it. He would think out loud, and

433
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: he would think in full paragraphs and complete narratives. But

434
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: you would push him at proud him and pick at

435
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: him and understand what he was in his head. And

436
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: he thought everybody knew you guys were a great team, James,

437
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: a fabulous team. Thank you well. I wanted to know

438
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: and I always found him interesting and I wanted to

439
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: know how he arrived at these conclusions. And you know,

440
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: he gave me the freedom to disagree with him publicly,

441
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: which was just amazing and astounding. And he could sometimes

442
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: tell by a look because I'd look at him a

443
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: certain way. Why are you looking at me like that?

444
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: Do you not agree? And that was if I didn't, Okay,

445
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't and why and then he would explain it.

446
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: He was wonderful that way. That's that is if hallmark

447
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: of a genius is somebody who is always challenging their

448
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: own perspectives, their own ideas, and is trying to understand

449
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: how other people think and how they're perceiving what he is.

450
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: That the person he or she is saying he always

451
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: had that he liked to be disagreed with. Didn't y'all

452
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: just always tee up the liberals first? That's right, that's right.

453
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: He would demand that if someone disagreed, put him up

454
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: at the top. I want to talk to them first.

455
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: These people are not interested in democracy. They're not interested

456
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: in representative democracy or a republic. We are in a

457
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: battle for the overall kind of countries is going to be.

458
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: We're not in a battle over who is going to

459
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: win every four years. We're not in a battle over

460
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: who's going to be president, who's going to run the Senate,

461
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: who's going to run the House. The battle we are

462
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: in is virtually and literally about will this remain the

463
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: United States of America as founded? That is what is

464
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: being waged here now. Mary, You, the people that have

465
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: been with us, the lifers, the people that were with

466
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: us for the full ride, remember full well that in

467
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: our very first compliment of guest host, we had a

468
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: guest host rotation, doctor Walter Williams love him me too,

469
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Tony Snow Oh yeah, I'm limits too, and Mary Mattlan

470
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: you're too kind, James, I would No, I'm not. You

471
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: were you were in our rotation. You guest hosted the

472
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: show many times. What was it like when you sat down?

473
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: We used to do the show out of Washington, DC

474
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: a lot at the ABC studios. UH their their headquarters

475
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. They allowed us to come in

476
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: and use their studios, and they were always, by the way,

477
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: very nice with us, very gracious. Um and you used

478
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: to come in in those days, and I used to

479
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: fly down. We used to do the show from from

480
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: those studios. What was it like for you guest hosting

481
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the Russia Limbus show? Nobody? And that is that you're

482
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: You're only like a guest in the orbit of Rush.

483
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: But I think I was pretty good when I forgot

484
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: about those days in Washington, because then I did have

485
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: a daily radio show, which when I cut my contracts,

486
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: in no way I want to be on in any

487
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: position except after Russia Limbo. I don't want to be

488
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: on that. But I the two. The thing that that

489
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: I remember most is how bad I sucked when I

490
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: came up to New York and I was frazzled and frenzied,

491
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: and I was sitting in his actual chair behind the

492
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: eib min and I just could not get my shit together.

493
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: And you were so kind, and you just the only

494
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: highlight of when I did that, and I was so terrible.

495
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: It's like a week was my dad came on and

496
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: devoted to my dad and the way Russia was devoted

497
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: to his dad, and it just that's what I remember,

498
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: is your kindness and my dad coming on and that

499
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: I was so inept in the world of Russia limbo,

500
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: and it really makes you understand the skill set that

501
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: he had in addition to being brainy, Like radio is

502
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: the is the most pleasing medium if you're a chatter,

503
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: and it's what's the most difficult. And I do remember

504
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: always missing the heart out, always missing the clock, always

505
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: talking over people. So he thank you for having me on.

506
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: What I remember you kindly said, well you're in the rotation.

507
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I said, well, then you're gonna have a You're gonna

508
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: have a big loss of listeners. And now, folks, if

509
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: you didn't hear it, don't believe her. She was. Mary

510
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: was great because I'll tell you one thing Mary always did,

511
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: which was come prepared and Mary knew and knows subject

512
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: matter of politics like nobody else. I mean, this is

513
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: your this is I mean, I hear you saying that

514
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: you and James, you know, you don't talk about politics,

515
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: and maybe with the rest of the family you don't,

516
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: but you are a political person and you you understand politics.

517
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: You know it from the inside and the outside. All

518
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's quote unquote in the weeds, you

519
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: understand that stuff and you can talk about that stuff,

520
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: but you can also talk about big picture politics and

521
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: all of that. And so that's what you brought to

522
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: the table, and I'm and that's what I know you

523
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: still bring to the table Mary, except I've banned myself

524
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: because I just this this environment is it's so ugly

525
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: and uncivil, and I don't want to be cliche about it.

526
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: But the speaking of the weeds, you mentioned earlier that

527
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: Brush and we were so on the same wavelength, and

528
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: we went through so many campaigns together that if if

529
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: and he knew a lot about politics, as he knew

530
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: a lot about everything, but he wouldn't have these like

531
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: blind spots. So I would email him and in real time,

532
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys did this. In real time,

533
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: he'd sort three find out of his thousand emails a minute,

534
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: he'd find the one and he it would be just

535
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: I just sent him in a headline in the in

536
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: the title, or a quick sentence where he was offered

537
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: another fact to add, or some poll date or something

538
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: I had that he didn't know, and he seamlessly incorporated

539
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: into his subsequent remarks. And it just was I felt

540
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: like we had such a such a team thing going on.

541
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: And then the last year, I I I've never seen

542
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: such courage and bravery. I happened to have had health

543
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: issues with contemporaneously leave with his and some of my

544
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: friends were going too, and my friends were going through

545
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: the same thing. And I don't know how he got

546
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: up and went to the studio as often as he did,

547
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: and he put off this team. I mean, if people don't,

548
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: it's just so unusual in this sort of I don't

549
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: want to say snow flaky, but this, in this self

550
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: immediate gratification and un uncourageous and the easiest way out

551
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: zidegeist that we find ourselves in rush showed the courage

552
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: of George Washington. I mean, I can't, I can't even

553
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know how he did that. Boh, you

554
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: were there. I mean, it just it's just stunning to me.

555
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: And he made a huge difference, and he I really

556
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: felt like he was going to bring it over the line,

557
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: just like he did in nineteen ninety four, which was amazing.

558
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Yep explained the nineteen ninety four we marked to people

559
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: by the way he ninth the Republicans had been but

560
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: we had been friends for some time here at that point.

561
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: I literally, like a month after I got married, I

562
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: flew out to California for a book party. I think

563
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: he quit doing book parties, but this might have been

564
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: one of the very first books. And his mother was

565
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: that Millie was there, his beloved Millie. I loved her

566
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: and he so all the time that I knew him.

567
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: Preceding this, Republicans were wandering around in the desert and

568
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: they had been in the minority for over half a century.

569
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: And he became an honorary member of the ninety fourth

570
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Congress because he they couldn't get there in there, you

571
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: could see this problem today Republicans have a hard time

572
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: speaking with one voice because they're speaking into immediacy. Rush

573
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: went above that and laid out the principles and how

574
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: the policies of this, uh, the New Gangridge Revolution at

575
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: that time was really Russia's revolution, how it how the

576
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: first principles, how these policies were predicated on these first principles,

577
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: and everybody was shocked. We won that. No one saw

578
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: this coming except for Russia. The Republicans won the majority,

579
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: they won, We won the New York governors that Rudy Giuliani.

580
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: It was a complete sweep. And I credit and many

581
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: do too. And anybody who knows anything about policies and

582
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: how messages delivered and penetrates would attribute to the victory

583
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: and the finest victory in the last century for Republicans

584
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: to Rush Limbaugh's nineteen ninety four and I can't call

585
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: it anything else but a campaign. His other completely transformational

586
00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: act was um Operation Chaos. He so watching fluence on

587
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: politics way more than anybody who's in politics. I shouldn't

588
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: say that that's a little hyperbole, but he had as

589
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: much influence as everyday operators have on politics. But in

590
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: the big picture and the historical picture there he had

591
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: more influence than anybody else, and that is fair to say,

592
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: and towards the let's say in the sixties when he

593
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: and Katherine started doing the history book, he had identified

594
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: the problem the way ahead of the curve, that we

595
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: weren't learning history right. So he's covered so many generations

596
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: with this unique talent of his. And it just I

597
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: can't even keep a train of Thowe. When I think

598
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: of him, my whole brain just smiles, It just lights up.

599
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: I just everything about him was such a special thing.

600
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: He also was in real life. This is a really

601
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: main point about living happily in all eras. That man

602
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: had a sense of humor. Yes he did. Yeah, he

603
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: was funny in the sophisticated way, and he just was.

604
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: He was always so much fun to be around. I

605
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: just I just miss him so much. James, I miss

606
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: him too. And some days, I mean, all of us

607
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: on we're I think, you know, I still have dreams

608
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I miss him. I was talking with Dawn the other

609
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: day and Dawn was saying, you know, she still expects

610
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: to wake up and just one day all of us

611
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: to be back in the studio together. And it's just

612
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: still really um, it's still mind numbing that that that

613
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: when did you find out he was sick? Well, I

614
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: guess I literally found out, or when everybody else did.

615
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: But I knew, I just know. I mean, I just

616
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: I just I don't. This sounds weird, but we were

617
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: telepathically connected, and I knew something was freighting him before

618
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: it didn't when he announced it. I just was not.

619
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: I remember not being remotely surprised, just sad. And I

620
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: thought he was going to beat it. I really thought

621
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: he was going to beat it, and I he I

622
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: think he, I don't want to say, stepped up his

623
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: game because he never had a bad day, even though

624
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 1: he thought he did. That's another thing. How many people,

625
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: do you know, do something as long as they he

626
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: did that, who come to work talk about being prepared,

627
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: who come to their job every day with the level

628
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: of intensity and depth that he did in those days.

629
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: Did he come back and said, look, yesterday, I don't

630
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: think I did a good job. I let me try.

631
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: He just who keeps that that self criticism and that

632
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: self improvement and that reaching for the stars as part

633
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: of their fundamental being. And he kept that on at

634
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: a whole different level, like a transcendent I'd given level.

635
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: In his last year and I and I could feel

636
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: when he was having good days and bad days, and

637
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: it had so screwed up his time, not his time

638
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: even looking at the clock. You know this because I

639
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: never saw him so many clocks as he did in

640
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: that last year. He was so in his zone. And

641
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was doing it on all kinds of

642
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: drugs too, because you can't just take him. I mean,

643
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: I still don't to this. I'll never I've never seen

644
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: that and we can expect to never see that again.

645
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: He's actually a medical miracle, you know. Um, That's what

646
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: I said, And I was in one of the earlier podcasts.

647
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned how at the end of his show sometimes

648
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: he would be so exhausted he couldn't even stand up,

649
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: he could barely stand up. But he gave everything that

650
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: he could into each one of those shows. And this

651
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: was something else, you know, going into thirty three years

652
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: of being a syndicated holes before before he real he

653
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 1: was sick, before he realized that something was wrong, Rush

654
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: was still and even of course afterwards, but he always

655
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: gave it his best shot. He didn't mail it in,

656
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: he never mailed it anything. He was still excited about

657
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: being on the radio. This hadn't become just a dull

658
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: routine to him. This was something that he honestly did

659
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: believe he was born to do, and he enjoyed it.

660
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: This is he loved it and he gave it his

661
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: best every single day. You know when he used to say,

662
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: more more fun than any human beings should be allowed

663
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: to have. Yep, that's how he lived his life. And

664
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't without problems, and he overcame so

665
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: many things, as you and David, his brother, know and

666
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: all that, but he never even phoned it in when

667
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: he was going through his various trials and tribulations like

668
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: who doesn't have those in life? And those trials and

669
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: tribulations that he overcame that were of his own doing,

670
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: took enormous courage. And then so much of the things

671
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: he had to overcome were externally imposed on him. And

672
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I know in the beginning, now everybody knows we're in

673
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: a psycho toxic you know, social media world. But when

674
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: people started coming after him, I think it surprised a minute.

675
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: It hurt him in a way that he didn't understand

676
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: because he was his He was never mean. Now I

677
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: don't know how people ever thought he was mean. There

678
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: was nothing ever mean about him. Did he have a

679
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: mean bonus? I've never talked anybody. No, No, Nor was

680
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: he racist, nor was he bigoted, nor was he all

681
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: these other things that the left through on him as

682
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: a means of trying to hurt him and diminish his credibility.

683
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, they came at him what we're all accused

684
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: of these days. You know, you want sovereign borders, you're

685
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: a racist. If you like you know, whatever it is,

686
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: you're a racist, no matter what. We know all that.

687
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: But they did that to him first. So in a way,

688
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: he was like a punching bag in a learning vehicle

689
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: or a preparation vehicle for now all of us that

690
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: are called racist at any moment. And you know before

691
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: that he was a misogynist, and he was aside, he

692
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: was a feminazi. That was my favorite thing because if

693
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: I left the feminist whatever way, I'm sixty eight, so

694
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: we're kind of the same age. Well, I could hang

695
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: in with them when they said a man a woman

696
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: needs a man like a bike needs a fish. And

697
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: then they turn in all the id politics instead of really,

698
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, equal opportunity and to all that and feminie

699
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: you can't even use the word nas anymore. But when

700
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: he said feminazi, I just to this day I crack

701
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: up because it was so perfect and it was such

702
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: so port entious, like they were so untouchable when he

703
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: started doing that, and it was and he really had

704
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: the nail on the head, if I may say this,

705
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: a lot of feminists that took feminism in the wrong direction.

706
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: He couldn't be not you know, I don't really even

707
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: want to say this, but he knew what the problem,

708
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: what the essence of that fanaticism was as and it's

709
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: the same with all kinds of liberal fanaticism. He understood

710
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: that and it never tainted his soul. It just inspired

711
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: him to get people to understand not only what they

712
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: were doing or what they were planning to do, but

713
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: what to do about it, and to keep doing it,

714
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: and to keep doing it and to keep fighting and

715
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: the other thing besides never being mean to anybody. He

716
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure he had some depressed days, but you he

717
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: how many times did people call in and they were crying,

718
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: or they're about to cry, or they were so forlorn,

719
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: or they'd just given up, including people lost their jobs

720
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: and stuff. He would just talk him back from the brink,

721
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: and it just that had such a magnifying force for

722
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: so many people that didn't call in. I can't tell

723
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: you how many. When I was on the road, everybody

724
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: everywhere I went people asked this, And you know, I

725
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: must have who coasted more than you that I remember,

726
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: But everybody always asked me about Rush. But what was

727
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: he really like? And was he really that good? And

728
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: babba he really well, I'm missing him, James, I'm having

729
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm having a having Rush Rush through me. He were

730
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: channeling Rush right now, and he's saying he misses everybody,

731
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: and he loves everybody, and he's so grateful. And he

732
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: really was grateful. Remember he used to say, no matter

733
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: what you've given me, and no matter how much you

734
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: think you've done for me, is nothing, and compared, he

735
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: would tell his audience to what they did for him

736
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: and how he was eternally grateful and gratified by what

737
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: this audience had given to him and his family. And

738
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: he really meant every single word of that. Mary, I

739
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: hope people realize how rare that is, because he was

740
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: completely not just rarefied atmosphere, but his own level. You know,

741
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: he was his own level and he always believed that.

742
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: And that's such a rare occurrence because I've seen too

743
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: many James has. My James has two people who get

744
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: famous and then start believing their own press. And this

745
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: is not peculiar to the right or the left. It's

746
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: like everybody who gets famous thinks they're untouchable, and they

747
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: in a way, they become isolated. I mean, you couldn't

748
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: go out with rush I remember we went to Patsy's

749
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: once after his TV show, and you know, it just

750
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: couldn't go anywhere with him. So it's isolating. But he

751
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: always stayed genuine and knowledgeable and not angry. He wasn't

752
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: not There's no anger that fueled his like it does

753
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: so much in politics. The man was a happy man

754
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: who was born to do what he was doing, and

755
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: in Catherine found the love of his life. And I

756
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: think it's life changed a lot when he moved to Florida, too,

757
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: that was a lot. That was a big I don't

758
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: want to say. When he could have a normal, kind

759
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: of a normal life. He could drive where he wanted

760
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: to drive himself. He didn't need to have people around

761
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: him for security all the time. He could have a

762
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: somewhat normal life. Yes, of course it wasn't a somewhat

763
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: normal life because he was so surrounded himself with objects

764
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: of interest and beauty and although he wasn't in any

765
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: way showy, but he wanted to share it. Marby he'd

766
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: have the Spring Fling every spring. Obviously it'd be sportspeople,

767
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: and one year I asked him to invite Vince Flynn

768
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: and they became great friends. And then he had the

769
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: He had the twenty four people one year and he

770
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: just shared everything. He put everybody up when he got married,

771
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: he and Katherine hed put everybody up at that hotel

772
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: Hell and we had hair day, you know, Like he's

773
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: just so generous with his success and it was the

774
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: biggest sharer of anybody an entertainer and trying to and host.

775
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to think of host. He's always

776
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: made everybody so happy, comfortable, entertained, and it was never

777
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: a big foot about it, you know. And I'll tell

778
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: you another story like that right after. Well, this was

779
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: when we were first won the White House in two

780
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: thousand and four and I was then working with I

781
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: had two little babies. Our babies were a little bit

782
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: I wanted to work with Dick Chance. They went back

783
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: in the White House, and the first thing Dick Cheney

784
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and this was the first party we

785
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: planned at the Vice President's residence, was to do it

786
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: in honor of Rush, because Cheney understood what happened in

787
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four and he really loved Rush and respected

788
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: RUSSI and in many ways got the same kind of

789
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: incoming that Rush got, is you. So then nine to

790
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: eleven happened, so we had to scrap everything because Cheney

791
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: and I could not be in town the same time

792
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: that Bush was the president. Was so for continuity of government.

793
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: So when we finally had it, it was after he

794
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: started losing his hearing, and that was very frustrating for him.

795
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: He couldn't be in a crowd. It was too cacophonous

796
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: for him, right, It actually was painful for him to

797
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: act and be in a crowd and half his cochlear impaant.

798
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: It was painful. And this was even before his cochlear thing,

799
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: and he was just he was trying to deal with,

800
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: you know, like the whole that was another thing. Who

801
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: else what is more important to speech than hearing? Okay, communicating?

802
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: He never lost his voice. It never became unrecognizable. But

803
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: I do remember that night how humble and moved he

804
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: he was, but he couldn't really hear everything. So I

805
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: was sitting next to him, not translating, you know what

806
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean, repeating everything right, And I knew Tah. He's

807
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: talked many times well then at that time. I don't

808
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: know if he got a note or he talked about

809
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: that party and how he wished his dad had been

810
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: around to see it. And he again another instance of

811
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: so beloved and so humbled, and so in a he

812
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: was so rarefied and in a way that every so

813
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: many people admired. But it never failed to surprise him. Never,

814
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: he never took it for granted. He was always in

815
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: awe every time he came to the White House. The

816
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: man has perpetual childlike awe and wonder over things historic

817
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: in this country and people who were true public servants,

818
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: and they just he was teed. He and Dick Cheney

819
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: had a very lovely relationship. You know. Everybody used to say,

820
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: I think I knew Rush before anybody else in my world.

821
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: And they'd say, mirrors in charge of Russias, And I'm

822
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: not in charge of him. And everything. Can I get

823
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: on rush? Can you call Russian? I never never ever

824
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: ever called. He told me I could call for anybody.

825
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: And the only one I just made a liaison with

826
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: and then he had his own relationships subsequent to the

827
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: first time was with Dick Cheney and he I think

828
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: he enjoyed those shows. I think they enjoy each other.

829
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: Yes they did. It was apparent on the air that

830
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: they did, because you could almost feel the bond of

831
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: camaraderie that they had. Your perseverance here and your devotion

832
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: to service you and you and rumsfelt both. I mean,

833
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: you've given your lives, your country, You've taken all kinds

834
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: of slings and arrows for it, and I just want

835
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: you to know that I am at the top of

836
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: the list among people have a great sense of appreciation

837
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: for what you've done. Well say, a lot of Russia

838
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: means meaning the world coming from you. Well, I'm flattered,

839
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: but but you really, it's an honor to have been

840
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: able to know you and get to know your family

841
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: and your friends, and we wish you the best, mister

842
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: Vice President. Keep on. So last thing, Mary, here's legacy.

843
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: What is Russia's legacy? You know, it's I try to

844
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: separate out myself as a friend and a mentee, if

845
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: you will, because he really was a guiding force for

846
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: my personal life in addition to what I just said

847
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: as an inspiration, but literally, like I didn't want to

848
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: write a book about our experience. He goes, are you crazy?

849
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: One percent of the people in the world have ever

850
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: done what you've done. You owe it to them to

851
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: you owe it to the public to say what it's like.

852
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: If you're going to tell the truth. I always tell

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Speaker 1: the truth. So you talk me into writing that book,

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Speaker 1: and it turns out I'm not a bad writer, and

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Speaker 1: I write all my stuff Longhand, And as you said,

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Speaker 1: I come prepared and I'm just you know, the first

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Speaker 1: born girl child perfectionist. And he made me do that

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Speaker 1: and he opened up all new horizons. So there's a

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Speaker 1: personal legacy for me. But his public legacy is in

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Speaker 1: addition to what James said, absolutely talk about transformation. He

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Speaker 1: was a transformational force in the industry. But he I

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Speaker 1: think in history will show him to be This era

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Speaker 1: is equivalent of like a Socrates. Do you know, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know how I'm the dumbest man in the world.

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Speaker 1: That's how I know I'm smart, because I know how

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Speaker 1: much I don't know, and I am the smart and

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Speaker 1: he was the smartest man that I ever knew. But

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Speaker 1: he always was seeking and explaining virtue. And the essence

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Speaker 1: of a representative republican freedom is virtue. It takes virtuous people,

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Speaker 1: and virtue requires and freedom requires constant vigilance. And he

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Speaker 1: I think in the span of history it will he

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Speaker 1: will be understood by fair people, by fair historians, which

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Speaker 1: there aren't very many, as a pivotal, transformational, socratic type person.

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Speaker 1: And if if you could flash forward, he was in

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Speaker 1: the modern era, post Enlightenment, he was more like Edmund

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Speaker 1: Burke than Rospierre, you know, like he a good revolution,

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Speaker 1: a controlled revolution, an incremental revolution, a constructive revolution. He

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Speaker 1: just I think his legacy will be that he guided

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Speaker 1: us through a very from the industrial age to the

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Speaker 1: information age, very very, very tricky, while maintaining the principles

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Speaker 1: that got us to the position that we could continue

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00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: to progress constructively and humanely and globally if we if

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Speaker 1: we had taken his and it wasn't his advice, and

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Speaker 1: as the wisdom of the ages, and it was reality,

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Speaker 1: it was reality. I just I think his legacy will

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00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: will really be that honestly, that transformational. And I think

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Speaker 1: Catherine's too. You know, she really brought the kind of

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00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: support and structure and love and faith and in him

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Speaker 1: that that he was always kind of not missing, but

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00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, like she really hit that sweet spot. And man,

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Speaker 1: I'm that's what I want to remember about him, is

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00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: that he found not just success, he found his true

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00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: love and his true place and his true life. He

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00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: lived his best life. And that's that's a legacy in

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Speaker 1: and of itself. Mary, I cannot thank you enough. And

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Speaker 1: I and and you know what, I also want to

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Speaker 1: thank you, not just for me, not just for the

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Speaker 1: time you did here, but you know, all of us

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Speaker 1: had love Rush. We thank you for being such a good, steady,

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00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: wonderful friend to our Rush. It was mutual. And I

901
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: want to just say this about Rush. There's no nobody

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00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: that ever was in the presence of the man, ever

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Speaker 1: that I know of liberals or conservatives or a political

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Speaker 1: people who didn't think he was the most gentlemanly, interesting, humble,

905
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: informative person they've ever met. And that's true. The man

906
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: was just he was just everything the likes of Rush.

907
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: We're not going to see again and forever and and

908
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: I have to call you. Oh, he knew, he and you.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he could have done it without you,

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Speaker 1: without the whole team, of course, but you were like

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Speaker 1: the his constant touchstone, like you know, everything he said,

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Speaker 1: he would take a look at you, or how many

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Speaker 1: times as he said, we're talking about this, you don't

914
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Speaker 1: believe you don't think that you disagree with me? And

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Speaker 1: he was It's like he was never you never talked,

916
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Speaker 1: which is so cool, Like you just we knew where

917
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Speaker 1: you were and he would describe it behind the good thing,

918
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Speaker 1: and it just was. That was a beautiful relationship. And

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Speaker 1: I think a legacy too, because it's something when somebody

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Speaker 1: can have for the length of time that he had

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Speaker 1: the same team. You have to be a good person

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Speaker 1: with loyalty which goes both ways to have the kind

923
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Speaker 1: of team that he had, which you were the spearhead of.

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Speaker 1: So we thank you both, Snarley, James, Golden and best,

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Speaker 1: best best for you and please let me be a

926
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Speaker 1: part of your life going forward. Oh yes, you know

927
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Speaker 1: you are. You know. I love you so much, Mary,

928
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: and thank you for everything, and thank you for doing

929
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: this with us, and you know it's just in a way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still heartbroken, Mary, but you know, just

931
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Speaker 1: speaking with you it brings its smiles. It's smiles making

932
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Speaker 1: You're so handsome, You're so cute and so articulate. Please,

933
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: thank you. Keep doing what you're doing. And I don't

934
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Speaker 1: think anyone can maintain and further the Limbaugh legacy better

935
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: than you can. Both, what an episode. Thank you Mary

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Speaker 1: Madlin and James Carville. On the next episode of Rush

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Speaker 1: Limbaugh The Man Behind the Golden EIB Microphone, Rush Limbaugh.

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Speaker 1: the best producers in America, Production assistance Mike Mamone and

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Speaker 1: This is boths nerdy. This is James Golden. I'm honored

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