Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protection of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie
Speaker 1: Reese and.
Speaker 2: I'm Lauren Boglah Bam, and today we have a classic
Speaker 2: episode for you about breadfruit.
Speaker 1: Yes, h this is an oldie, A bit of an oldie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, August of twenty eighteen. What yeah, yeah, And we
Speaker 2: when we originally did this episode, neither of us, I
Speaker 2: think had any particular experience with breadfruit. I still don't
Speaker 2: think I've managed to have any. Have you any.
Speaker 1: I feel like I have. I'm hesitating because I can't
Speaker 1: remember it specifically, and I might be mixing it up
Speaker 1: with jackfruit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that we've talked about, right, We've talked
Speaker 2: about jackfruits.
Speaker 1: But yes, I feel like I've some at my local
Speaker 1: grocery store that was kind of in the vegetarian section.
Speaker 1: But I can't. I can't say for sure, Lauren, that
Speaker 1: sounds more like jackfruit to me.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, so so more more homework, more homework
Speaker 2: is needed, yes.
Speaker 1: Oh so much delicious homework. Was there any particular reason
Speaker 1: this was on your mind to bring back, Lauren?
Speaker 2: Nope, I was just going through our archive and landed
Speaker 2: on this one as an interesting one that it's with
Speaker 2: some of these older episodes, it's it's so funny. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, there's a lot of weird, weird, funny
Speaker 2: parts about this job, Like it is truly a strange job.
Speaker 2: But and if y'all don't know, like this is both
Speaker 2: of our day job, like we like we each have
Speaker 2: a four to oh one k about podcasting, which is
Speaker 2: weird but great in many ways. But one of the
Speaker 2: weird aspects is listening back to yourself from you know,
Speaker 2: seven years prior and just sort of going like, oh,
Speaker 2: like what a snapshot into my history. It's into our history,
Speaker 2: into the show's history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's really fascinating. For some episodes, particularly,
Speaker 1: I can be I can remember exactly where I was
Speaker 1: like in my life when we recorded that, and it can't.
Speaker 1: When you listen back. It can be very eye opening
Speaker 1: in some ways and also kind of nostalgic in some ways,
Speaker 1: like oh, you didn't things things were coming and you
Speaker 1: didn't realize. But also, you know, we've learned a lot.
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, at least I continue to learn
Speaker 1: a lot as we're sharing. So it is really interestingsolutely Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a like a grainy photograph, but we have
Speaker 2: high quality audio of it. Yes, but okay, we're getting
Speaker 2: away from the bread fruit. We should we should get
Speaker 2: back to the bread fruit and let former Annie and
Speaker 2: Lauren take it away.
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Annie Reach.
Speaker 2: And I'm Lorn vocal Bomb, and today we're talking about
Speaker 2: the bread fruit. Yeah, which is neither a bread nor No,
Speaker 2: it is a fruit. Well, it's a bundle of flowers.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of things that you eat, a bundle
Speaker 1: of flowers that you eat. I hope that clears everything up, everybody.
Speaker 1: The end of the episode, I have never had bread fruit.
Speaker 1: This is one that angry people will write about, like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you've never had it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never I've never had it either, So send
Speaker 2: send away those angry emails.
Speaker 1: Actually, please don't.
Speaker 2: We will have to rectify this at the first opportunity
Speaker 2: because it sounds amazing and the story of it is fascinating.
Speaker 2: Our sister podcast Stuff you missed in history class, did
Speaker 2: an episode on it a long time ago in a
Speaker 2: podcast booth far far away or in Buckhead? Yeah, way
Speaker 2: back way back when Katie and Sarah I think are
Speaker 2: the hosts.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, really, yeah, that was a long podcast away,
Speaker 1: and How.
Speaker 2: Stuff Works even has a small article about it, which
Speaker 2: it would not surprise us if ridiculous history eventually covered.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it's a little bit ridiculous, it is.
Speaker 2: They should if they don't invite us to a cameo
Speaker 2: on that. Oh, maybe I have some podcast beef. I
Speaker 2: keep going like, hey, guys, why haven't you invited me
Speaker 2: back yet? And they're like, oh, we thought you were busy.
Speaker 1: Oh man, the judgmental look on your face. I can't
Speaker 1: believe they haven't quilled under the pressure.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yes, the breadfruit? What is it? How it knew?
Speaker 2: How it goodness? Oh, that's a very big question, it is.
Speaker 2: It's a very big question for a very big fruit.
Speaker 2: The breadfruit is the fruit of a tropical flowering tree,
Speaker 2: Artocarpus altilis, and it's related to the mulberry and jackfruit.
Speaker 2: There are a couple other species under Artocarpus and a
Speaker 2: couple hundred cultivars of bread fruit. But basically the trees
Speaker 2: range from like twenty to eighty ish feet in height
Speaker 2: that's about six to twenty four meters. They've got glossy
Speaker 2: green leaves. The flowers are tiny, tiny, tiny and come
Speaker 2: in these dense clusters attached to a spongy sort of
Speaker 2: spear or rod or ball. These flower spears tend to
Speaker 2: look a little bit like corn dogs, or like ears
Speaker 2: of corn that have had all the kernels taken off,
Speaker 2: or like weird, slightly oblong golf balls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have somebody somewhere. It's one of those stories
Speaker 1: that was told to me so long ago that I
Speaker 1: can't even remember who told it to me or who
Speaker 1: it was a bad but I know somewhere in my
Speaker 1: past somebody thought, like a kid thought those little stalkspeer
Speaker 1: things with the corn dog looking things on the end.
Speaker 1: He thought they were corn dogs and like, oh no,
Speaker 1: baked one up. He thought they grew in fields when
Speaker 1: to eat them, and was in for a shock.
Speaker 2: That's that's amazing it is. Well, luckily they're non toxic.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's a memory that to vaguely recall
Speaker 1: in the middle of a podcast that's delightful.
Speaker 2: Both male and female flowers grow on these same trees,
Speaker 2: and the female ones will develop as this cluster of
Speaker 2: thousands of flowers into a single compound fruit, sort of
Speaker 2: like the pineapple. If y'all remember that episode like. As
Speaker 2: they grow, all the flowers fuse together and form the
Speaker 2: part of the bread fruit that is eaten. The base
Speaker 2: of each flower fuses together to form the rind, and
Speaker 2: the resulting fruit looks like a like a spiny or
Speaker 2: lumpy kind of yellow green ball or oval that can
Speaker 2: range in size and shape from something like a baseball
Speaker 2: to something like a human lung.
Speaker 1: Ah. That's what I like to picture when I think
Speaker 1: about fruit, human lung. Yeah. The breadfruit is also sometimes
Speaker 1: known as the tropical potato and is honestly fascinating. One
Speaker 1: of the interesting things about it is that you can
Speaker 1: eat it at any point. When it's immature, it has
Speaker 1: a flavor similar to artichoke carts. The immature fruit can
Speaker 1: replace vegetables and a recipe, and are often pickled or boiled.
Speaker 1: The mature, unripe fruit can replace potatoes and recipes steen
Speaker 1: baked or boiled. The flavor at that point is something
Speaker 1: between a potato and a plantain, but as it ripens,
Speaker 1: the texture grows more and more custard like and can
Speaker 1: be enjoyed raw. Kind of reminds me of Durian, which
Speaker 1: we do have.
Speaker 2: We're just oh yeah, yeah, we're waiting for the right
Speaker 2: time and place. We are outdoor place. Yes, yeah, it
Speaker 2: can be enjoyed raw or cooked once it's ripe. It
Speaker 2: is also used in It's frequently eaten rob but it's
Speaker 2: also used in bake goods and other desserts. And yes,
Speaker 2: I have heard it described as like a Durian and texture,
Speaker 2: but not so garlic funky.
Speaker 1: Not so Durian into flavor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of just nice and sweet, maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit tart, like maybe a little bit of pineapple
Speaker 2: kind of flavor in there somewhere. M m. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Once ripe, it does rot fairly quickly, and researchers are
Speaker 1: looking in two ways to extend its shelf life by
Speaker 1: drying and shredding it.
Speaker 2: Some varieties have seeds that are edible and apparently similar
Speaker 2: in flavor and texture to chestnuts, that can be roasted
Speaker 2: or boiled or ground to make a sort of meal.
Speaker 2: H And the male flowers themselves as corn dog things,
Speaker 2: are sometimes candied and eaten.
Speaker 1: Those corn dog things, you know, those things.
Speaker 2: Those things.
Speaker 1: Despite sharing the texture of a potato and having a
Speaker 1: high carb count, the breadfruit itself is gluten free, just.
Speaker 2: About all fruit, vegetables and grains except for wheat, barley,
Speaker 2: and rye, and some specific things like glutinous rice are
Speaker 2: gluten free, and.
Speaker 1: Boy howdy they nutritious, calcium, copper, fibery stuff, iron, magnesium, nyasin,
Speaker 1: omega three, omega six, phosphorus, potassium, thiamine, vitamins A and C.
Speaker 1: A mere half cup will give you five to ten
Speaker 1: percent of your recommended daily allowance of protein and twenty
Speaker 1: five percent of your RDA of fiber, and Hawaii's Breadfruit
Speaker 1: Institute of the National Tropical Botanical Garden list multitudes of
Speaker 1: ways to eat breadfruit in cashles in that type of potato, salad, curries, pancakes, breads, fritters, chowders, dips,
Speaker 1: a veggie burger, patai, chips, nachos, alongside corn beef in
Speaker 1: beverages in flunds. You can also put it through a
Speaker 1: food processor to make a dough substitute.
Speaker 2: Ah Yeah. Dried and ground breadfruit flour can be used
Speaker 2: to make everything from like tortillas to bread pet trees,
Speaker 2: and it of course can also be fermented into alcoholic
Speaker 2: beverages of various kinds.
Speaker 1: Of course, and if you aren't impressed already, the breadfruit
Speaker 1: has other uses. The male breadfruit and leaves are a
Speaker 1: great insect repellent when burned. The sap is great for
Speaker 1: calking and as a chewing gum. I'm very intrigued by that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like a latex kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh. The bark can be used as a fabric, and
Speaker 1: fallen fruits and leaves can be used in animal feed.
Speaker 1: So lots of things, lots of things going for the
Speaker 1: bread fruit.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: If we look at some numbers, a bread fruit tree
Speaker 1: can produce an annual fifty to one and fifty fruits,
Speaker 1: which is one of the highest yielding crops in existence.
Speaker 1: The fruit itself can weigh up to twelve pounds about
Speaker 1: five and a half kilograms, while the tree can reach
Speaker 1: eighty five feet or twenty six meters.
Speaker 2: Or even bigger. I've read all kinds of reports about then.
Speaker 2: They can last a long time and get pretty big,
Speaker 2: and they are self propagating. You don't need seeds in
Speaker 2: order to grow new breadfruit. New saplings grow up from
Speaker 2: shoots off of established trees. It will take a few
Speaker 2: years for a new tree to mature, but once it does,
Speaker 2: it will fruit four dozens or even hundreds of years yep.
Speaker 1: And breadfruit is grown in over ninety different countries and
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Islands, more breadfruit or grown per hector
Speaker 1: than rice, wheat and corn.
Speaker 2: Dang, dang.
Speaker 1: Indeed, got so excited, I gesticulated and hit the mic stand.
Speaker 2: It's that level of excitement in here, folks, it really is.
Speaker 2: We're going to get into some of the history of
Speaker 2: the breadfruit, including a famous mutiny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but first.
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Speaker 1: Breadfruit originated about three thousand years ago in the area
Speaker 1: that is now New Guinea. In three hundred CE, breadfruit,
Speaker 1: along with coconuts, sweet ptatoes, ginger and bananas, arrived to
Speaker 1: Hawaii via Polynesia as a canoe fruit. Ancient Hawaiians believed
Speaker 1: the breadfruit to be sacred. They called it ulu. They
Speaker 1: planted so many breadfruit trees that some grobes could feed
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand people. The plant provided raw materials like wood, obviously,
Speaker 1: but also was used for crafts and medicine, and breadfruit
Speaker 1: remains a culturally significant staple food in the South Pacific.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, uru are still Hawaiian terms for the
Speaker 2: fruit yesterday.
Speaker 1: And the French Polynesians have a legend about a famine
Speaker 1: that occurred. A family of six was living in a
Speaker 1: cave and were desperately hungry enough so they were eating ferns.
Speaker 1: The father, miserable at watching his family wasting away, buried
Speaker 1: himself in the cave, promising his wife he'd transform into
Speaker 1: a tree bearing fruit to feed his family. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: when his wife woke up the next morning, there was
Speaker 1: a breadfruit tree, an ur tree. That area is now
Speaker 1: sometimes referred to as tua Uru, the Valley of the Breadfruit.
Speaker 1: Some locals give another name, the Tree of Life. It
Speaker 1: spread throughout the Pacific from New Guinea, and when the
Speaker 1: Europeans discovered it in the fifteen hundreds, they were amazed
Speaker 1: at the bread like texture and smell of versted breadfruit,
Speaker 1: hence the name.
Speaker 2: Pretty Much all of the European languages use a word
Speaker 2: for bread in their name for breadfruit.
Speaker 1: So about that mutiny, Yeah, Well, first, before we get there,
Speaker 1: along comes Captain James Cook. In seventeen ninety six, After
Speaker 1: making a landfall into Heiti, Cook and his companion Sir
Speaker 1: Joseph Banks stumbled upon breadfruit and realized that it could
Speaker 1: be a useful crop in places with similar tropical climates
Speaker 1: aka colonies that were producing sugarcane. Yeah. Banks thought the
Speaker 1: prolific trees would be an excellent and inexpensive source of
Speaker 1: food for the enslaved peoples living in the Caribbean colonies yeah,
Speaker 1: that were making this whole sugar cacane thing happen. So
Speaker 1: convinced was Banks of the value of his idea that
Speaker 1: he presented it to King George the Third saying quote
Speaker 1: regarding food, if a man planted ten bread fruit trees
Speaker 1: in his life, he would completely fulfill his duty to
Speaker 1: his own as well as future generations. He requested a
Speaker 1: special expedition with the sole purpose of retrieving bread fruit
Speaker 1: trees and replanting them in the Caribbean end of noe.
Speaker 1: Banks was the president of the Royal Society at the
Speaker 1: time and a patron of Q Gardens.
Speaker 2: He's sometimes credited with being one of the architects of globalization.
Speaker 2: So big, big dude, yeah, big deal, big historical fellow.
Speaker 1: His request was granted.
Speaker 2: Hazzah, perhaps not not Hazza.
Speaker 1: Not Tissa. William Bly was made Captain of the HMS
Speaker 1: bounty in seventeen eighty seven and his mission from the
Speaker 1: Royal Crown to transport one thousand to Heitian breadfruit trees
Speaker 1: to the Caribbean with the intention of using the highly
Speaker 1: nutritious and energy boosting food to feed British slaves. But
Speaker 1: all was not well on the bounty. One journal described
Speaker 1: Bly as brutal. It took ten months for the mostly
Speaker 1: healthy crew to arrive to Tahiti, behind schedule enough that
Speaker 1: they missed their window for transplanting the trees, so they
Speaker 1: had to hang around for another five months. A lot
Speaker 1: of the crew, of course, found themselves Tahitian mistresses. When
Speaker 1: the time came to leave. A lot of the crew
Speaker 1: wasn't on board, but Bly made them get on board,
Speaker 1: literally unaware or uncaring of the resentment of his crew.
Speaker 2: And some stories say that part of the problem was
Speaker 2: that Bly was rationing out a short supply of water
Speaker 2: on board and like favoring the trees over the crewmen,
Speaker 2: which led to not less resentment.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I can imagine. Yeah, so the crew mutinied.
Speaker 1: Several men armed with bannets broke into blies cabin one night,
Speaker 1: binding his hands behind his back and bringing him up
Speaker 1: to the deck wearing only a shirt. Well, I demanded
Speaker 1: to know the reason behind the mutiny, and the only
Speaker 1: response he got was I have been in hell for
Speaker 1: the last fortnight, sir, in hell. Oh okay, of note
Speaker 1: that Marlon Brando played that guy in the nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: two movie about this, and I really missed an opportunity
Speaker 1: to do a Marlon Brando accent. That is for the
Speaker 1: best test for everything. I would have had fun, but
Speaker 1: no one else would have had fun. Oh yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I could admit what accents I can do and can't do,
Speaker 1: and this is really not an accent, it's an impersonation.
Speaker 1: But either way it would have been a failure for
Speaker 1: all to hear.
Speaker 2: You can check out the film Mutiny on the Bound.
Speaker 2: You can if you want to hear it for yourself,
Speaker 2: not through the filter of Annie.
Speaker 1: Yes, you absolutely can do that. Bly and eighteen others
Speaker 1: were forced overboard in a long boat. The mutineers sent
Speaker 1: them on their way with some pork biscuits, water, and
Speaker 1: six quarts of rum. All thousand trees went into the
Speaker 1: water twist. Oh yeah, I guess they were pretty mad
Speaker 1: about that water rationing thing.
Speaker 2: If it's true, with like screw these trees were going
Speaker 2: back to Tahiti.
Speaker 1: Take that trees. And they did, and they did. But
Speaker 1: Bly and his mini crew were wiy and in what
Speaker 1: is called one of the greatest feats of seamanship of
Speaker 1: all time, they managed to navigate their ship through mostly
Speaker 1: uncharted water without a map or a compass to timor
Speaker 1: making an early stop at one of the friendly islands,
Speaker 1: that's what they were called. Not that the islands like
Speaker 1: were friendly, friendly because they weren't. No, because the indigenous
Speaker 1: peoples chased them away with rocks and killed one man.
Speaker 1: The crew decided to make minimal stops after that, and
Speaker 1: food was strictly rationed. Two ounces of biscuit in a
Speaker 1: little water a day, oh now and then they got
Speaker 1: some pork every now and then they got some room.
Speaker 1: The journey took forty seven days heavy storms, and they
Speaker 1: covered six seven hundred and one kilometers or four one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four miles. They stopped at Kopang, starving,
Speaker 1: sleep deprived, and that's where three of the crew died
Speaker 1: of fever. Oh like, not on the whole journey. They
Speaker 1: made it there, yeah, all. From there they made their
Speaker 1: way back to Britain. And commissioned a second trip, this
Speaker 1: time on the HMS Providence. No mutinies were had, and
Speaker 1: five years after his first mission failed, fly succeeded, or
Speaker 1: mostly many of the two thousand bread fruit trees on
Speaker 1: the ship died due to flies, cold, or the quote
Speaker 1: unwholesomeness of sea air. Six hundred and seventy eight bread
Speaker 1: fruit trees arrived in the West Indies, and a few
Speaker 1: of those trees, first planted two hundred years ago in Jamaica,
Speaker 1: bear fruit to this day. Oh yeah. The locals did
Speaker 1: resist it at first, though, eating it only when other
Speaker 1: options were limited. It took forty years for them to
Speaker 1: develop a taste for the breadfruit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the population of Jamaica fed it to pigs at first.
Speaker 2: To be fair, the mature but unripe fruit is kind
Speaker 2: of bland and can be described as like mealy, and
Speaker 2: it can go pretty mushy if you overcook it. Once
Speaker 2: you figure out how to deal with it. Though apparently
Speaker 2: it's great, it sounds amazing.
Speaker 1: These days, scientists think the breadfruit could be useful in
Speaker 1: the fight against hunger. After all, there is a tradition
Speaker 1: in parts of Polynesia to plant a breadfruit tree when
Speaker 1: a child is born to guarantee that they won't go hungry.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Since the nineteen eighties, a researcher out of Hawaii National
Speaker 1: Tropical Botanical Garden in DBG, Diane Ragone, followed the DNA
Speaker 1: bread combs of breadfruit all the way back to parasite breadfruit.
Speaker 1: I mean the first they call it eve up bread
Speaker 1: for Eve. I'm going to try to get as many
Speaker 1: parasite eve references in this show as I can.
Speaker 2: I so far you are succeeding. Who knew you're really
Speaker 2: doing it?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Laura, You're welcome.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, Ragon helped found the Breadfruit
Speaker 2: Institute at the National Tropical Botanical Garden and yeah, the
Speaker 2: institute is partnered with the charity Alliance to End Hunger
Speaker 2: to bring the breadfruit to areas in need.
Speaker 1: Scientists are also working to find the species that contains
Speaker 1: the most protein and also the ones that are most
Speaker 1: accepting assault as sea levels rise.
Speaker 2: Ragon and her fellow researchers say that this one cultivar
Speaker 2: from Samoa surpasses soybeans in terms of protein content and quality.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they're hoping that this kind of research could
Speaker 2: help places like Hawaii, that currently import over half of
Speaker 2: their food become more self sustainable.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, Josh Schneider launched an initiative
Speaker 1: to put breadfruit trees all over the world called Global Breadfruit.
Speaker 1: The group put fourteen thousand trees in ten different countries.
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, a Costa Rican native, Diana Shavez, took
Speaker 1: some of the bread fruit from the trees the organization
Speaker 1: planted and started making chips out of the fruit and
Speaker 1: putting them in grocery stores.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, like, fried chips are one of the most
Speaker 2: popular ways to eat. I mean, once you fry anything,
Speaker 2: it's pretty great. But apparently they're super delicious.
Speaker 1: Apparently she gets a lot of requests for them now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at first she had trouble selling them, and now people
Speaker 1: are like, where are the chips?
Speaker 2: More breadfroat chips?
Speaker 1: I need them.
Speaker 2: In twenty ten, the Breadfruit Institute partnered with the Global
Speaker 2: Hunger Initiative, which distributed ninety thousand trees to forty countries
Speaker 2: over the next five years, and in twenty sixteen, the
Speaker 2: FDA ruled bread fruit flour safe for consumption here in
Speaker 2: the United States, so you might see it out there
Speaker 2: and you're a gluten free baking isisle.
Speaker 1: You just might. So it's had a really fascinating just
Speaker 1: story behind the fruit. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit more hopeful than a lot of
Speaker 2: the tropical fruits that we discuss on this show.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've got a little bit more left in
Speaker 2: this episode today, but first we've got one more quick
Speaker 2: break for a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of this classic episode.
Speaker 1: As always, we hope that you enjoyed this rerun as
Speaker 1: much as we enjoyed bringing it back to you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and so you know, if you're confused about why
Speaker 2: we're here and not former Annie and Lauren, it's because, Bye,
Speaker 2: we have a little bit more for you. In this case,
Speaker 2: I meant listener mail, which we don't run in classics.
Speaker 2: So I did want to add here that we touch
Speaker 2: on breadfruit a couple of times and episodes that have
Speaker 2: come out since this one. We didn't really focus on
Speaker 2: it in any of our Oahu episodes, though it is
Speaker 2: mentioned as one of the you know canoe crops in
Speaker 2: the intro episode that came over with ancient ancestors. We
Speaker 2: do also mention it in our episode on Mafungo as
Speaker 2: a possible addition to the dish. But you know, we
Speaker 2: could really, like, like thinking about the history section in
Speaker 2: this one, we could really do whole episodes on the
Speaker 2: history of breadfruit in different places. You know, Like the
Speaker 2: stories from Hawaii and the Caribbean just for example, are
Speaker 2: both like really complex and sad and hopeful because from
Speaker 2: totally opposite angles. They're about like the horrors of colonization
Speaker 2: and the destruction of traditional food ways and also the
Speaker 2: resilience of people and of this particular plant too in
Speaker 2: feeding and thus caring for communities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many of these episodes we could do like
Speaker 1: an eight part series, oh oh easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least at least I genuinely think that Breadfruit
Speaker 2: should have like a docudrama mini series. I mean, like
Speaker 2: not only because of the whole mutiny aspect, but right
Speaker 2: like there's just so much about it that is fascinating
Speaker 2: and so yeah, so I think I totally think we
Speaker 2: should return to this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And listeners, if you have any particular
Speaker 1: aspects you would like us to return to any recipes
Speaker 1: as always, because clearly it sounds like we fell down
Speaker 1: on trying to get some breadfruit. Please let us know.
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