1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protection of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Reese and. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm Lauren Boglah Bam, and today we have a classic 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: episode for you about breadfruit. 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Yes, h this is an oldie, A bit of an oldie. 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, August of twenty eighteen. What yeah, yeah, And we 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: when we originally did this episode, neither of us, I 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: think had any particular experience with breadfruit. I still don't 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: think I've managed to have any. Have you any. 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I have. I'm hesitating because I can't 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: remember it specifically, and I might be mixing it up 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: with jackfruit. 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that we've talked about, right, We've talked 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: about jackfruits. 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: But yes, I feel like I've some at my local 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: grocery store that was kind of in the vegetarian section. 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: But I can't. I can't say for sure, Lauren, that 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: sounds more like jackfruit to me. 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: But but yeah, so so more more homework, more homework 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: is needed, yes. 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Oh so much delicious homework. Was there any particular reason 22 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: this was on your mind to bring back, Lauren? 23 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: Nope, I was just going through our archive and landed 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: on this one as an interesting one that it's with 25 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: some of these older episodes, it's it's so funny. Well, 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, there's a lot of weird, weird, funny 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: parts about this job, Like it is truly a strange job. 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: But and if y'all don't know, like this is both 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: of our day job, like we like we each have 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: a four to oh one k about podcasting, which is 31 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: weird but great in many ways. But one of the 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: weird aspects is listening back to yourself from you know, 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 2: seven years prior and just sort of going like, oh, 34 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: like what a snapshot into my history. It's into our history, 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: into the show's history. 36 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's really fascinating. For some episodes, particularly, 37 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: I can be I can remember exactly where I was 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: like in my life when we recorded that, and it can't. 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: When you listen back. It can be very eye opening 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: in some ways and also kind of nostalgic in some ways, 41 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: like oh, you didn't things things were coming and you 42 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: didn't realize. But also, you know, we've learned a lot. 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, at least I continue to learn 44 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: a lot as we're sharing. So it is really interestingsolutely Yeah. 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a like a grainy photograph, but we have 46 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: high quality audio of it. Yes, but okay, we're getting 47 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: away from the bread fruit. We should we should get 48 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: back to the bread fruit and let former Annie and 49 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Lauren take it away. 50 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Annie Reach. 51 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: And I'm Lorn vocal Bomb, and today we're talking about 52 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: the bread fruit. Yeah, which is neither a bread nor No, 53 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 2: it is a fruit. Well, it's a bundle of flowers. 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: It's a lot of things that you eat, a bundle 55 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: of flowers that you eat. I hope that clears everything up, everybody. 56 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: The end of the episode, I have never had bread fruit. 57 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: This is one that angry people will write about, like, 58 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: I can't believe you've never had it. 59 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never I've never had it either, So send 60 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: send away those angry emails. 61 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: Actually, please don't. 62 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: We will have to rectify this at the first opportunity 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: because it sounds amazing and the story of it is fascinating. 64 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: Our sister podcast Stuff you missed in history class, did 65 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: an episode on it a long time ago in a 66 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: podcast booth far far away or in Buckhead? Yeah, way 67 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: back way back when Katie and Sarah I think are 68 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: the hosts. 69 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: Oh wow, really, yeah, that was a long podcast away, 70 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: and How. 71 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: Stuff Works even has a small article about it, which 72 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: it would not surprise us if ridiculous history eventually covered. 73 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it's a little bit ridiculous, it is. 74 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: They should if they don't invite us to a cameo 75 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: on that. Oh, maybe I have some podcast beef. I 76 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: keep going like, hey, guys, why haven't you invited me 77 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: back yet? And they're like, oh, we thought you were busy. 78 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, the judgmental look on your face. I can't 79 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: believe they haven't quilled under the pressure. 80 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: Anyway. 81 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yes, the breadfruit? What is it? How it knew? 82 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: How it goodness? Oh, that's a very big question, it is. 83 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: It's a very big question for a very big fruit. 84 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: The breadfruit is the fruit of a tropical flowering tree, 85 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: Artocarpus altilis, and it's related to the mulberry and jackfruit. 86 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: There are a couple other species under Artocarpus and a 87 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 2: couple hundred cultivars of bread fruit. But basically the trees 88 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: range from like twenty to eighty ish feet in height 89 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: that's about six to twenty four meters. They've got glossy 90 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: green leaves. The flowers are tiny, tiny, tiny and come 91 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: in these dense clusters attached to a spongy sort of 92 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: spear or rod or ball. These flower spears tend to 93 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: look a little bit like corn dogs, or like ears 94 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: of corn that have had all the kernels taken off, 95 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: or like weird, slightly oblong golf balls. 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have somebody somewhere. It's one of those stories 97 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: that was told to me so long ago that I 98 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: can't even remember who told it to me or who 99 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: it was a bad but I know somewhere in my 100 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: past somebody thought, like a kid thought those little stalkspeer 101 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: things with the corn dog looking things on the end. 102 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: He thought they were corn dogs and like, oh no, 103 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: baked one up. He thought they grew in fields when 104 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: to eat them, and was in for a shock. 105 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: That's that's amazing it is. Well, luckily they're non toxic. 106 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's a memory that to vaguely recall 107 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: in the middle of a podcast that's delightful. 108 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: Both male and female flowers grow on these same trees, 109 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: and the female ones will develop as this cluster of 110 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: thousands of flowers into a single compound fruit, sort of 111 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: like the pineapple. If y'all remember that episode like. As 112 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: they grow, all the flowers fuse together and form the 113 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: part of the bread fruit that is eaten. The base 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: of each flower fuses together to form the rind, and 115 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: the resulting fruit looks like a like a spiny or 116 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: lumpy kind of yellow green ball or oval that can 117 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: range in size and shape from something like a baseball 118 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: to something like a human lung. 119 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: Ah. That's what I like to picture when I think 120 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: about fruit, human lung. Yeah. The breadfruit is also sometimes 121 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: known as the tropical potato and is honestly fascinating. One 122 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: of the interesting things about it is that you can 123 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: eat it at any point. When it's immature, it has 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: a flavor similar to artichoke carts. The immature fruit can 125 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: replace vegetables and a recipe, and are often pickled or boiled. 126 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: The mature, unripe fruit can replace potatoes and recipes steen 127 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: baked or boiled. The flavor at that point is something 128 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: between a potato and a plantain, but as it ripens, 129 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: the texture grows more and more custard like and can 130 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: be enjoyed raw. Kind of reminds me of Durian, which 131 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: we do have. 132 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: We're just oh yeah, yeah, we're waiting for the right 133 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: time and place. We are outdoor place. Yes, yeah, it 134 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: can be enjoyed raw or cooked once it's ripe. It 135 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: is also used in It's frequently eaten rob but it's 136 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: also used in bake goods and other desserts. And yes, 137 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: I have heard it described as like a Durian and texture, 138 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: but not so garlic funky. 139 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: Not so Durian into flavor. 140 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of just nice and sweet, maybe a 141 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: little bit tart, like maybe a little bit of pineapple 142 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: kind of flavor in there somewhere. M m. Yeah. 143 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: Once ripe, it does rot fairly quickly, and researchers are 144 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: looking in two ways to extend its shelf life by 145 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: drying and shredding it. 146 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: Some varieties have seeds that are edible and apparently similar 147 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: in flavor and texture to chestnuts, that can be roasted 148 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: or boiled or ground to make a sort of meal. 149 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: H And the male flowers themselves as corn dog things, 150 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: are sometimes candied and eaten. 151 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: Those corn dog things, you know, those things. 152 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: Those things. 153 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: Despite sharing the texture of a potato and having a 154 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: high carb count, the breadfruit itself is gluten free, just. 155 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: About all fruit, vegetables and grains except for wheat, barley, 156 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 2: and rye, and some specific things like glutinous rice are 157 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: gluten free, and. 158 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: Boy howdy they nutritious, calcium, copper, fibery stuff, iron, magnesium, nyasin, 159 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: omega three, omega six, phosphorus, potassium, thiamine, vitamins A and C. 160 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: A mere half cup will give you five to ten 161 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: percent of your recommended daily allowance of protein and twenty 162 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: five percent of your RDA of fiber, and Hawaii's Breadfruit 163 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: Institute of the National Tropical Botanical Garden list multitudes of 164 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: ways to eat breadfruit in cashles in that type of potato, salad, curries, pancakes, breads, fritters, chowders, dips, 165 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: a veggie burger, patai, chips, nachos, alongside corn beef in 166 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: beverages in flunds. You can also put it through a 167 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: food processor to make a dough substitute. 168 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: Ah Yeah. Dried and ground breadfruit flour can be used 169 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: to make everything from like tortillas to bread pet trees, 170 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: and it of course can also be fermented into alcoholic 171 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: beverages of various kinds. 172 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Of course, and if you aren't impressed already, the breadfruit 173 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: has other uses. The male breadfruit and leaves are a 174 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: great insect repellent when burned. The sap is great for 175 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: calking and as a chewing gum. I'm very intrigued by that. 176 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like a latex kind of stuff. 177 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Oh. The bark can be used as a fabric, and 178 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: fallen fruits and leaves can be used in animal feed. 179 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: So lots of things, lots of things going for the 180 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: bread fruit. 181 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 182 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: If we look at some numbers, a bread fruit tree 183 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: can produce an annual fifty to one and fifty fruits, 184 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: which is one of the highest yielding crops in existence. 185 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: The fruit itself can weigh up to twelve pounds about 186 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: five and a half kilograms, while the tree can reach 187 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: eighty five feet or twenty six meters. 188 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: Or even bigger. I've read all kinds of reports about then. 189 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: They can last a long time and get pretty big, 190 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: and they are self propagating. You don't need seeds in 191 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: order to grow new breadfruit. New saplings grow up from 192 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: shoots off of established trees. It will take a few 193 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: years for a new tree to mature, but once it does, 194 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: it will fruit four dozens or even hundreds of years yep. 195 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: And breadfruit is grown in over ninety different countries and 196 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: in the Pacific Islands, more breadfruit or grown per hector 197 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: than rice, wheat and corn. 198 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: Dang, dang. 199 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: Indeed, got so excited, I gesticulated and hit the mic stand. 200 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: It's that level of excitement in here, folks, it really is. 201 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: We're going to get into some of the history of 202 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: the breadfruit, including a famous mutiny. 203 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but first. 204 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: We're going to get into a quick break for a 205 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: word from our. 206 00:11:45,480 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: Sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you. 207 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: Breadfruit originated about three thousand years ago in the area 208 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: that is now New Guinea. In three hundred CE, breadfruit, 209 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: along with coconuts, sweet ptatoes, ginger and bananas, arrived to 210 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: Hawaii via Polynesia as a canoe fruit. Ancient Hawaiians believed 211 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: the breadfruit to be sacred. They called it ulu. They 212 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: planted so many breadfruit trees that some grobes could feed 213 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand people. The plant provided raw materials like wood, obviously, 214 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: but also was used for crafts and medicine, and breadfruit 215 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: remains a culturally significant staple food in the South Pacific. 216 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, uru are still Hawaiian terms for the 217 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: fruit yesterday. 218 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: And the French Polynesians have a legend about a famine 219 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: that occurred. A family of six was living in a 220 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: cave and were desperately hungry enough so they were eating ferns. 221 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: The father, miserable at watching his family wasting away, buried 222 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: himself in the cave, promising his wife he'd transform into 223 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: a tree bearing fruit to feed his family. Sure enough, 224 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: when his wife woke up the next morning, there was 225 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: a breadfruit tree, an ur tree. That area is now 226 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: sometimes referred to as tua Uru, the Valley of the Breadfruit. 227 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: Some locals give another name, the Tree of Life. It 228 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: spread throughout the Pacific from New Guinea, and when the 229 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: Europeans discovered it in the fifteen hundreds, they were amazed 230 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: at the bread like texture and smell of versted breadfruit, 231 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: hence the name. 232 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: Pretty Much all of the European languages use a word 233 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: for bread in their name for breadfruit. 234 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: So about that mutiny, Yeah, Well, first, before we get there, 235 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: along comes Captain James Cook. In seventeen ninety six, After 236 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: making a landfall into Heiti, Cook and his companion Sir 237 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: Joseph Banks stumbled upon breadfruit and realized that it could 238 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: be a useful crop in places with similar tropical climates 239 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: aka colonies that were producing sugarcane. Yeah. Banks thought the 240 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: prolific trees would be an excellent and inexpensive source of 241 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: food for the enslaved peoples living in the Caribbean colonies yeah, 242 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: that were making this whole sugar cacane thing happen. So 243 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: convinced was Banks of the value of his idea that 244 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: he presented it to King George the Third saying quote 245 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: regarding food, if a man planted ten bread fruit trees 246 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: in his life, he would completely fulfill his duty to 247 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: his own as well as future generations. He requested a 248 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: special expedition with the sole purpose of retrieving bread fruit 249 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: trees and replanting them in the Caribbean end of noe. 250 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: Banks was the president of the Royal Society at the 251 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: time and a patron of Q Gardens. 252 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: He's sometimes credited with being one of the architects of globalization. 253 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: So big, big dude, yeah, big deal, big historical fellow. 254 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: His request was granted. 255 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: Hazzah, perhaps not not Hazza. 256 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: Not Tissa. William Bly was made Captain of the HMS 257 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: bounty in seventeen eighty seven and his mission from the 258 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: Royal Crown to transport one thousand to Heitian breadfruit trees 259 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: to the Caribbean with the intention of using the highly 260 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: nutritious and energy boosting food to feed British slaves. But 261 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: all was not well on the bounty. One journal described 262 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: Bly as brutal. It took ten months for the mostly 263 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: healthy crew to arrive to Tahiti, behind schedule enough that 264 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: they missed their window for transplanting the trees, so they 265 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: had to hang around for another five months. A lot 266 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: of the crew, of course, found themselves Tahitian mistresses. When 267 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: the time came to leave. A lot of the crew 268 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: wasn't on board, but Bly made them get on board, 269 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: literally unaware or uncaring of the resentment of his crew. 270 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: And some stories say that part of the problem was 271 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: that Bly was rationing out a short supply of water 272 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: on board and like favoring the trees over the crewmen, 273 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: which led to not less resentment. 274 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: Oh sure, I can imagine. Yeah, so the crew mutinied. 275 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Several men armed with bannets broke into blies cabin one night, 276 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: binding his hands behind his back and bringing him up 277 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: to the deck wearing only a shirt. Well, I demanded 278 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: to know the reason behind the mutiny, and the only 279 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: response he got was I have been in hell for 280 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: the last fortnight, sir, in hell. Oh okay, of note 281 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: that Marlon Brando played that guy in the nineteen sixty 282 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: two movie about this, and I really missed an opportunity 283 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: to do a Marlon Brando accent. That is for the 284 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: best test for everything. I would have had fun, but 285 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: no one else would have had fun. Oh yeah, Well, 286 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: I could admit what accents I can do and can't do, 287 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: and this is really not an accent, it's an impersonation. 288 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: But either way it would have been a failure for 289 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: all to hear. 290 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: You can check out the film Mutiny on the Bound. 291 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: You can if you want to hear it for yourself, 292 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 2: not through the filter of Annie. 293 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: Yes, you absolutely can do that. Bly and eighteen others 294 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: were forced overboard in a long boat. The mutineers sent 295 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: them on their way with some pork biscuits, water, and 296 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: six quarts of rum. All thousand trees went into the 297 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: water twist. Oh yeah, I guess they were pretty mad 298 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: about that water rationing thing. 299 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: If it's true, with like screw these trees were going 300 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 2: back to Tahiti. 301 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: Take that trees. And they did, and they did. But 302 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Bly and his mini crew were wiy and in what 303 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: is called one of the greatest feats of seamanship of 304 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: all time, they managed to navigate their ship through mostly 305 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: uncharted water without a map or a compass to timor 306 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: making an early stop at one of the friendly islands, 307 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: that's what they were called. Not that the islands like 308 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: were friendly, friendly because they weren't. No, because the indigenous 309 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: peoples chased them away with rocks and killed one man. 310 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: The crew decided to make minimal stops after that, and 311 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: food was strictly rationed. Two ounces of biscuit in a 312 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: little water a day, oh now and then they got 313 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: some pork every now and then they got some room. 314 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: The journey took forty seven days heavy storms, and they 315 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: covered six seven hundred and one kilometers or four one 316 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four miles. They stopped at Kopang, starving, 317 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: sleep deprived, and that's where three of the crew died 318 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: of fever. Oh like, not on the whole journey. They 319 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: made it there, yeah, all. From there they made their 320 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: way back to Britain. And commissioned a second trip, this 321 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: time on the HMS Providence. No mutinies were had, and 322 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: five years after his first mission failed, fly succeeded, or 323 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: mostly many of the two thousand bread fruit trees on 324 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: the ship died due to flies, cold, or the quote 325 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: unwholesomeness of sea air. Six hundred and seventy eight bread 326 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: fruit trees arrived in the West Indies, and a few 327 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: of those trees, first planted two hundred years ago in Jamaica, 328 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: bear fruit to this day. Oh yeah. The locals did 329 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: resist it at first, though, eating it only when other 330 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: options were limited. It took forty years for them to 331 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: develop a taste for the breadfruit. 332 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the population of Jamaica fed it to pigs at first. 333 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: To be fair, the mature but unripe fruit is kind 334 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: of bland and can be described as like mealy, and 335 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: it can go pretty mushy if you overcook it. Once 336 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: you figure out how to deal with it. Though apparently 337 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: it's great, it sounds amazing. 338 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: These days, scientists think the breadfruit could be useful in 339 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: the fight against hunger. After all, there is a tradition 340 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: in parts of Polynesia to plant a breadfruit tree when 341 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: a child is born to guarantee that they won't go hungry. 342 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: Oh. 343 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Since the nineteen eighties, a researcher out of Hawaii National 344 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: Tropical Botanical Garden in DBG, Diane Ragone, followed the DNA 345 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: bread combs of breadfruit all the way back to parasite breadfruit. 346 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: I mean the first they call it eve up bread 347 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: for Eve. I'm going to try to get as many 348 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: parasite eve references in this show as I can. 349 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: I so far you are succeeding. Who knew you're really 350 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: doing it? 351 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Laura, You're welcome. 352 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, Ragon helped found the Breadfruit 353 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: Institute at the National Tropical Botanical Garden and yeah, the 354 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: institute is partnered with the charity Alliance to End Hunger 355 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: to bring the breadfruit to areas in need. 356 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: Scientists are also working to find the species that contains 357 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: the most protein and also the ones that are most 358 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: accepting assault as sea levels rise. 359 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: Ragon and her fellow researchers say that this one cultivar 360 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: from Samoa surpasses soybeans in terms of protein content and quality. 361 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, they're hoping that this kind of research could 362 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: help places like Hawaii, that currently import over half of 363 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: their food become more self sustainable. 364 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, Josh Schneider launched an initiative 365 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: to put breadfruit trees all over the world called Global Breadfruit. 366 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: The group put fourteen thousand trees in ten different countries. 367 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, a Costa Rican native, Diana Shavez, took 368 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: some of the bread fruit from the trees the organization 369 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: planted and started making chips out of the fruit and 370 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: putting them in grocery stores. 371 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, like, fried chips are one of the most 372 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: popular ways to eat. I mean, once you fry anything, 373 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: it's pretty great. But apparently they're super delicious. 374 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: Apparently she gets a lot of requests for them now, Yeah, 375 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: at first she had trouble selling them, and now people 376 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: are like, where are the chips? 377 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: More breadfroat chips? 378 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: I need them. 379 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: In twenty ten, the Breadfruit Institute partnered with the Global 380 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: Hunger Initiative, which distributed ninety thousand trees to forty countries 381 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: over the next five years, and in twenty sixteen, the 382 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: FDA ruled bread fruit flour safe for consumption here in 383 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: the United States, so you might see it out there 384 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 2: and you're a gluten free baking isisle. 385 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: You just might. So it's had a really fascinating just 386 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: story behind the fruit. Yeah, I guess. 387 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: It's a little bit more hopeful than a lot of 388 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 2: the tropical fruits that we discuss on this show. 389 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: This is true. 390 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've got a little bit more left in 391 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: this episode today, but first we've got one more quick 392 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: break for a word from our sponsor. 393 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of this classic episode. 394 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: As always, we hope that you enjoyed this rerun as 395 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: much as we enjoyed bringing it back to you. 396 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and so you know, if you're confused about why 397 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: we're here and not former Annie and Lauren, it's because, Bye, 398 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: we have a little bit more for you. In this case, 399 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: I meant listener mail, which we don't run in classics. 400 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: So I did want to add here that we touch 401 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 2: on breadfruit a couple of times and episodes that have 402 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: come out since this one. We didn't really focus on 403 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: it in any of our Oahu episodes, though it is 404 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: mentioned as one of the you know canoe crops in 405 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: the intro episode that came over with ancient ancestors. We 406 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 2: do also mention it in our episode on Mafungo as 407 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: a possible addition to the dish. But you know, we 408 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: could really, like, like thinking about the history section in 409 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: this one, we could really do whole episodes on the 410 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: history of breadfruit in different places. You know, Like the 411 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: stories from Hawaii and the Caribbean just for example, are 412 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: both like really complex and sad and hopeful because from 413 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: totally opposite angles. They're about like the horrors of colonization 414 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 2: and the destruction of traditional food ways and also the 415 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: resilience of people and of this particular plant too in 416 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: feeding and thus caring for communities. 417 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, so many of these episodes we could do like 418 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: an eight part series, oh oh easy. 419 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, at least at least I genuinely think that Breadfruit 420 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: should have like a docudrama mini series. I mean, like 421 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: not only because of the whole mutiny aspect, but right 422 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: like there's just so much about it that is fascinating 423 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: and so yeah, so I think I totally think we 424 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: should return to this one. 425 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And listeners, if you have any particular 426 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: aspects you would like us to return to any recipes 427 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: as always, because clearly it sounds like we fell down 428 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: on trying to get some breadfruit. Please let us know. 429 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: You can email us at Hello at saberpod dot com. 430 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. 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