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Speaker 1: Full Circle is an iHeart woman's sports production in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Hello everyone, Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Full Circle Podcast. I'm Riah Rose here with Lexi Brown. Lexi,

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Speaker 1: how you doing.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm good, guys. I'm back in La. I'm back

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Speaker 2: in my house. We're so bad.

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Speaker 3: You're so back.

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Speaker 2: I got a couch now in my extra bedroom.

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Speaker 3: There's Cannon. He's excited to be back in La.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be back in the sunshine and stuff.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm so good, Lexi. I'm glad you're back home. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad it's sunning. Is it as rainy and Seattle as

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Speaker 1: everyone says this?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. Okay, let me let me take that

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Speaker 2: bow because I was there. I was there in like

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Speaker 2: the good weather. So they were claiming it doesn't rain,

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Speaker 2: at least not in the summertime. It like miss someone said,

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Speaker 2: it feels like like people are explain, like a fabreeze bottle.

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Speaker 2: That's like what the rain feels like. It's like misty,

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Speaker 2: and yes, it is very cloudy. And gloomy because I

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Speaker 2: remember when I got there, I was like, the people

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Speaker 2: were like, it's depressing up there, and I'm like, is

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Speaker 2: it the weather? Is it like you the people? No,

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Speaker 2: it's the weather. Yeah, it's the weather. Makes sense.

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Speaker 3: So it is more cloudy than rainy.

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Speaker 2: So like coming back to La and it's just the

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Speaker 2: sun is just his different in La. So I'm so

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Speaker 2: happy to be back. So no, no, just no disrespect

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Speaker 2: to Seattle.

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Speaker 1: But right I would have to have my hair on

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Speaker 1: braids twenty four.

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Speaker 2: And that yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I will say

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Speaker 2: there's there's not really much humidity and on the on

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Speaker 2: the nice days with the weather was good, like it

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Speaker 2: I probably experienced like ten beautiful days, and a lot

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Speaker 3: So I missed a lot of the beautiful days. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot for us to talk about. We want

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Speaker 3: to start. Actually I want.

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Speaker 2: To start somewhere first, guys. Okay, so I know that,

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Speaker 2: let me rewind. This is my podcast, Okay, this is

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Speaker 2: our show. We get to talk about what we want

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Speaker 2: to talk about, and I like to talk about my

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Speaker 2: personal experiences. Okay, I don't typically look at any comments

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I go dabble on our YouTube.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate y'all that watch on YouTube because that's really fire.

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Speaker 3: But there are like a few.

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Speaker 2: Comments on our last video that kind of rubbed me

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Speaker 2: And I've seen this comment come up a lot in

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Speaker 2: different ways and different capacities. Is that people like continue

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Speaker 3: To speak on basketball. I guys, I'm a hoope.

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Speaker 2: Like all I do is watch, eat, sleep, breathe basketball,

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Speaker 2: Like that's not what this show is about. But I

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Speaker 3: That y'all are gonna believe. But y'all an't gonna believe the.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, like y'all think that what my

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Speaker 2: some facts, you know me little missmum fact, y'all want

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Speaker 2: to hear some fun facts about my little eight points. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I got them, I wrote them down. Okay, right, it's here, Lexi. Okay,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the playoffs briefly in my soapbox

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Speaker 2: So in the playoffs, in the semi finals, which is

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Speaker 2: On the Mercury, there are three starters that average fifteen

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Speaker 2: For the Links, there are three starters that average thirteen

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, my little eight points or the thirteen

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Speaker 2: Put that in perspective to y'all, because it's not abnormal

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Speaker 3: That's going to happen. But yeah, guys, that's all I

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Speaker 1: You know from talking sports on big platforms that when

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Speaker 1: attack what you have to say, they attack you. That's

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Speaker 1: end of the day, I views of you and a comment.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your view.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it, but don't come at me crazy on

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Speaker 2: my on my shit please you y'all could go talk

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Speaker 2: about me over there. But when it comes to our baby,

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Speaker 2: let's keep it cute. Okay, speaking of keeping it not.

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Speaker 3: So cute, yeah, like keeping it cute.

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Speaker 1: These semifinals have have delivered as zero not keeping it

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Speaker 1: cute at all. Controversy, emotional reactions, officiating, drama, fanishing.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know where we should start.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, we did say that both series we're going to

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Speaker 2: September thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: We only have one game five.

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Speaker 2: Very disappointed in that, But shout out to the Phoenix

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Speaker 2: merch for advancing to the WNBA Finals for the first

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Speaker 2: time since twenty twenty one when they lost to the

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Speaker 3: Be like, Yay, we won.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's far far in the past for me.

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Speaker 2: It seems like ages ago. But let's get into that

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Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about the series a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh. Okay, so the Links were chasing

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Speaker 1: a fifth championship and their drive for five was denied

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Speaker 1: Phoenix was supposed to be turning the page from the

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Speaker 1: DT Brittany Griner era, but Sachu Soabaly dedicates the win

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Speaker 1: You guys, they are still living in their greatness era.

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Speaker 1: We thought that there was going to be a little

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Speaker 1: we have seen from them in the past. Game four

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Speaker 1: recap Okay, Phoenix trailed sixty eight to fifty five heading

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Speaker 3: That game was amazing.

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Speaker 2: I was so happy for Phoenix because we said at

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Speaker 2: with the addition of Dewana Bonner, which that kind of

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Speaker 3: dB won a championship in.

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Speaker 2: Phoenix in twenty fourteen, and now it's twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: and she's back in the finals with a completely new

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Speaker 2: era of Phoenix Mercury basketball. I'm pretty sure that for

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Speaker 2: for her to be literally the reason why Phoenix won

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Speaker 3: With her shooting in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Like I think people don't realize, like, yes, that team

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Speaker 3: dB is a champion. Sammy Whitcomb is a champion.

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Speaker 2: Like they have a lot of really good, experienced veterans

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Speaker 2: of blocked out all of the noise, all of the negativity,

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Speaker 2: all of the doubt all season long, except from us,

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Speaker 2: you know, even though we did say the Links were

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Speaker 2: the Phoenix Mercury all season long, especially with AT's MVP

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Speaker 2: caliber season, I think that this is just like the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dB was she was definitely productive thirteen point six rebounds,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that we were robbed of a

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Speaker 3: In Minnesota that they were probably gonna win that game.

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Speaker 1: So CALEA McBride had thirty thirty.

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Speaker 3: One, Courtney had twenty and six.

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Speaker 2: I think that Jeff Shepherd was a great substitution for Fee.

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Speaker 3: But she hadn't been played.

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Speaker 3: So when you get thrown into the fire like that, like.

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Speaker 2: She came out like hooping, but then the Mercury made

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Speaker 2: But again, that's like a tall task to ask for

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Speaker 3: But I think she did her part.

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Speaker 2: I think that they missed Djona Carrington more than they

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I think people are probably gonna be like, well, the.

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Speaker 2: Phoenix beat the Links, and they were missing this and

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Speaker 2: the look at the fever right now, like that is

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Speaker 2: But I am a little disappointed, not a little. I'm

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Speaker 2: very disappointed that they suspended Cheryl because, huh yeah, give

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Speaker 2: an elimination game is what got me. Like an elimination game,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna suspend the coach because she was saying what

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Speaker 3: I think Vegas is still like up there as well.

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Speaker 2: But Admin Dallas and Phoenix have the most hilarious posts,

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Speaker 2: So shout out to the admin. They don't get shown

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Speaker 1: As an ex As an ex admin, I can I

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Speaker 2: Do you comment on your posts, like even though it's

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Speaker 2: like not you, because I remember in La our social

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Speaker 2: you about to just shake that off because there's when.

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Speaker 1: You go into work the day after and l that

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Speaker 1: the comments are going to be mean, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the comments are going to love you. It also controls

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Speaker 1: what we can post, like we can we can't post

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Speaker 1: certain stuff if we lose, So it could like they

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Speaker 1: But no, the comment I mean, the comments are talking

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Speaker 2: The The worst comments on teams pages is if like

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Speaker 2: the team does like a player of the.

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Speaker 3: Game but the team lost.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, like, and you have to do those

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Speaker 2: because they're sponsored, so we gotta do the whether just

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Speaker 2: so y'all know whether we win or lose.

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Speaker 1: We got to post the player of the game because

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Speaker 2: You gotta keep your eyes off oh me, No, like

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Speaker 2: y'all lost my thirty Why is they're a player of

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Speaker 2: the game or like the set is like something like

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Speaker 2: everyone played.

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Speaker 3: Bad, but they got to pick somebody.

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Speaker 2: And the comments are so mean, Like y'all are ruthless

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Speaker 2: on the intern nets.

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Speaker 3: Please be kind to the girls.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of negative SATs, I did want to say this

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Speaker 1: while we were speaking about the Minnesota Phoenix series. Minnesota

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Speaker 1: is the first WNBA team ever to lose two playoff

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Speaker 2: That's really crazy, which not a happy sad now, but

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Speaker 2: how does that happen?

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Speaker 1: You got to take care of you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Phoenix like literally have been the comeback kids

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Speaker 2: all playoffs. Aighte is like literally the most competitive person

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Speaker 2: I think I've ever seen. I've played, I've played with her,

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Speaker 2: I've played against her. When she gets that look in

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Speaker 3: Going to run you over.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't think anybody is surprised that

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Speaker 2: I don't know what is going to be next for

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Speaker 2: great example of like resetting the league in my opinion. Guys,

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Speaker 2: I've been watching the WBA since I've been a child. Okay,

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Speaker 2: They like, well keep pieces that like they'll keep the

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Speaker 2: main pieces, but then move the adjacent accessory pieces quote unquote,

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Speaker 2: which is like bench players, role players like players like me,

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Speaker 2: for example, when I don't want to say it's an.

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Speaker 3: Issue, but clearly it's the main piece.

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Speaker 2: The main pieces aren't producing what the plan was, which

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Speaker 2: is ultimately wins in a championship. So I think Phoenix

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Speaker 2: was the perfect example of Yes, the dt ERA ended.

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Speaker 2: They said, Okay, BG, you're going to Atlanta. Okay, Tosh,

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Speaker 2: those both of those situations panned out were shitty in hindsight,

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Speaker 2: like they probably could have handled both of those situations better.

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Speaker 2: But businesses business, Trust me, I know better than anybody

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Speaker 2: how that shit goes. But a lot of people were

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Speaker 2: like this group, they're not it's not going to work,

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Speaker 2: like there's too many new people. But they put together

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Speaker 2: I think they still have the second or first most

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Speaker 3: Like they did a really good job.

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Speaker 2: And I think teams moving forward can take note of

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Speaker 2: if you bring a group of people together.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't you have a window.

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Speaker 2: There is a window of opportunity, and we see it

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Speaker 2: all the time in the NBA. And you made the

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Speaker 2: most hilarious video about Kevin Durant with his.

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Speaker 3: Windows of opportunity, Like.

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Speaker 2: That's Kevin Durant probably will go down as like the

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Speaker 2: of a sudd is done, all it's said and done,

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Speaker 2: He's going to be one of the best ever. But

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Speaker 2: He's been in situations where like this doesn't work, blow

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Speaker 3: Like is it good to do that all the time? No?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: So I think Phoenix, just.

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Speaker 2: Like the Valkyries, have the bootprint of expansion, and Phoenix

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Speaker 2: have the bootprint of let's move on, like blow this up,

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Speaker 2: let's move on.

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Speaker 3: And now they're the finals.

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Speaker 1: So Lexie, I gotta ask because I know somebody listening

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Speaker 1: and that and coaching and so what are you getting at?

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Speaker 1: Because I personally feel like it is not blow it

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Speaker 3: Honestly, they have new ownership.

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Speaker 2: This is two years in a row that they have

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Speaker 2: to win. If it was me and this is my team,

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Speaker 2: I'm not blowing it up either, but it's not up

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Speaker 3: Everybody's a free agent.

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Speaker 2: I said last week, guys, the amount of movement that

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Speaker 2: could be completely wrong and everybody stays put, But you're not.

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Speaker 2: I'm so interested, especially with the announcements of Unrivaled.

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Speaker 3: A lot of new a lot of new faces are

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Speaker 2: Rubin elbows keep keying it up during free agency time,

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Speaker 2: so it's going to be so interesting. So I don't

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Speaker 2: the players being like, Okay, well this situation was great,

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Speaker 3: If if they were all not free agents, would I

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Speaker 2: No, I would not, because I want this group to win,

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Speaker 2: Like I think everybody really wanted them to win, a

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing thing in sports, and this is

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Speaker 1: in the w Obviously, don't continue with something that clearly

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad luck. Love plays so much into

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Speaker 1: then she got hurt and we got to see what

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Speaker 2: For this game, for you know what I'm saying, we

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Speaker 2: You know you saw the emotion. I don't know if

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00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: you guys saw Kmax presser after the game, like she

442
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: was like, oh the fact that you have to like

443
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 2: go speak to the media after moments like that is

444
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: like I hate that. But she went up there like

445
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: the champ that she is and answered all the questions.

446
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: It was very gracious, even though she was sobbing and

447
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: I was like, can y'all let the baby like get

448
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: herself together before she comes up here, But you could

449
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: just see the emotion and she said that basically was

450
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: like what they have in that locker room is something

451
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: that you that is very rare in pro sports. So

452
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: in that aspect, like, no, I wouldn't blow up this team.

453
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: And when guys, when we say blow up, I know

454
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: that sounds very like aggressive and horrible and mean, but

455
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: like that's just like what you say, like you gotta

456
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: blow it up and that just.

457
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Speaker 3: Doesn't happen in the WNBA often.

458
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Speaker 1: And when I say blow it up as opposed to

459
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Speaker 1: make some moves. Make some moves are what you were

460
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, moving some role players around, putting pieces

461
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: around your core to make them better. By blow it up,

462
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: we mean move something bad.

463
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

464
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: They they had DT tash BG was like their big three,

465
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: and now they have at Ka and Satu like flip

466
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: flopped superstars for superstars.

467
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: Like I will also note that injuries and I guess

468
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: officiating to a certain degree, but I'm not a fan

469
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Speaker 1: of blaming the officiating in any sport ever and any

470
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: win loss ever. But another piece of the pie, as

471
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Speaker 1: far as talking about luck going into this year's finals,

472
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Speaker 1: the New York Liberty. Had we had a healthy Stewie

473
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: all season long, had they been able to stay healthy

474
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: this season, that team also would have shook out very differently.

475
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Liberty, their luck was just terrible.

476
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Speaker 2: I don't even have I don't have the number on it,

477
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: but like, I don't even know how many games.

478
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Speaker 3: They had a fully healthy roster. Least they're starting five

479
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: like or top to bottom. They always had somebody out.

480
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: Kenny Burke was out for a while, Izzy Harrison was

481
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: out for a while, JJ was out.

482
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: Like they always were dealing with something.

483
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: So they just never were able to get any type

484
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: of continuity. And you know that happened sometimes. And again

485
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: I mean they fired their head coach. We did say

486
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: that New York was going to have some decisions to

487
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: make after the season, and that was the first one

488
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: they made, which shocked a lot of people. But again,

489
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: if something ain't working, which.

490
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: Is crazy because they just want a championship.

491
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Speaker 2: But you know, things like that happen, and when you

492
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: have you know, a lot of when you have somewhat

493
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: disappointing season, changes have to be made and you can't always.

494
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: Blame the player.

495
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: Someone got to take the blame, unfortunately, And people have

496
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: been really vocal about the firing of the head coaches

497
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: of the WNBA.

498
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: Y'all would hate the NBA. Y'all would hate to be

499
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: fans of the NBA.

500
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Speaker 2: They fired coaches fresh off with like fresh off championship

501
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: mid season. Like, I don't see very many mid season

502
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: firings in the w either, but I was on a

503
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: team where that happened in LA my first year in LA.

504
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 2: Fired Derek Fisher middle of the season, and dealing with

505
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: that is crazy, Like there's so many emotions that you

506
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: have to process when your coach gets fired in the

507
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: middle of the year and then you just have to

508
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: like keep playing.

509
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't.

510
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: I don't, like, I'm not a fan of firing mid season,

511
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: but sometimes I guess, you know, change has to be

512
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: made now. So shout out to the Phoenix Mercury making

513
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: it to the WNBA finals. Another fun fact, uh, this

514
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: will be the first final since twenty twenty one that

515
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: hasn't had the participant from the previous season.

516
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Speaker 1: Yay.

517
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Speaker 3: Fun fact. Interesting fun fact.

518
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: Also another fun fact, there's not a single person on

519
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: this roster who was on the roster in twenty twenty one,

520
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: either that one.

521
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: Or the coach.

522
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: Ah.

523
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 3: So what Phoenix said, hard pivot.

524
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they did, and they pivoted right to

525
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: the WBA finals. So I'm excited, and we still don't

526
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 2: know who their opponent will be. So let's get into

527
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: this next series between the Aces and the Fever, because it.

528
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: Has been.

529
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: I want to I would say spicy, but I think

530
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: that's an understatement.

531
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 3: It's been one.

532
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: Hundred blood bet maybe I have so much about you

533
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: got it on this side of girl. Okay, y'all, the

534
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: war is over yet. The Fever and the Aces play

535
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: tonight to decide who is going to the NBAWNBA Finals.

536
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: And in Game four, the Fever one ninety to eighty

537
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: three to four again five off of a Kelsey Mitchell,

538
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: Kelsey Mitchell dagger and one and her twenty five points.

539
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: That girl, I don't understand she retired.

540
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: No, No, it's like never ending energy and speed.

541
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: But really, what I want to get into Eliah Boston

542
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: with twenty four, and she drew foul trouble on multiple

543
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: Vegas starters. Asia Wilson was still dominant with thirty one,

544
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: but there was a major free throw controversy that got

545
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: everybody talking. There was a bunch of controversies that got

546
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: everybody talking. Between a Leah Boston rage baiting Asia Wilson

547
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: and the thirty four fever three free throw attempts to

548
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: the Aces eleven free throws, Liahbolson alone took thirteen free throws,

549
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: which is more than Vegas as an entire team.

550
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: That's crazy, you know.

551
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: I Wilson called the discrepancy and fouls interesting.

552
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's kind of correct, because first of all, I

553
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: think the refs are like fed up, that's what it's giving.

554
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: And I need the refs to all have a little

555
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: ref Kumbaya meeting at the end of the year, and

556
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: they need to like watch tape and film because see,

557
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm just gonna say it, the refereeing

558
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: the season was has been absolutely atrocious. Like inconsistent is

559
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: the word that a lot of people would use to

560
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: describe it, and I think that's a very good word

561
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: to use. It's just been very all over the place.

562
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 2: And yeah, like certain players do get special whistles, like

563
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: that is a thing, that's very much a thing, and

564
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: they earn it and the way that they.

565
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: Play warrants that.

566
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: But the game has gotten to a point where it's

567
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: like hard to watch at times with the physicality of it.

568
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: Like Gino Oriama, actually because my parents sent me this article,

569
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: Gino said that the officiating has been really bad in

570
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: the WNBA for like a few years. His direct quote is,

571
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: people can't get open, people can't cut. The ball handler

572
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: is getting whacked every time they move. Listen, you always

573
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: expect your best player.

574
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: To have a rough time. I've been through that and

575
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: I've claimed I've complained about it a lot. I don't

576
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: blame the officials.

577
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's actually it's the people actually officiating

578
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: the games. I think it's what's either in the rule

579
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: book or what's accepted as this is a style of

580
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: play that we want, because if they didn't want that

581
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: style of play, they wouldn't allow it. Like I don't

582
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: know why all of a sudden, like this over physical,

583
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: crazy basketball has become acceptable in the w like it

584
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: was cool like last year at the beginning when people

585
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: were like, I mean, it wasn't cool last year because

586
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: we know what the narrative last year was about the

587
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: physicality of the league. But I thought it also was

588
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: a good thing to see, like how physical the w

589
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: really is and how it's just such a major leap

590
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: from college to pros.

591
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: But I think it's like.

592
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: Gotten a little bit out of hand, and I think

593
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: that's what's led to the injuries. I think that's what's

594
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: led to the crazy fatigue amongst players. I mean, on

595
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: top of playing forty four games plus the playoffs. I

596
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: think that it's they need to reel it in and

597
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: it's too late to do it now obviously, But.

598
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Like I will say, Eliah Boston, super super super talented.

599
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: I have spoken about her one million time, super positively

600
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: big fan of hers, very talented player, love her down

601
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: this pushing into other people and getting other people to

602
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: push into her. I don't know if I'm exaggerating. All

603
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: I know is what I saw when I was there,

604
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: and what I have seen throughout the season and throughout

605
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and in the.

606
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: Most man almost kind of pushing in other people, almost

607
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: kind of ebo on the face by her in our game,

608
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: I hit the matrix on her. I said, oh no, no,

609
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: I know what you'd be doing. I saw on it,

610
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: I saw it of it. She got an offensive foul,

611
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: but she didn't even hit me. But I was like

612
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: if she, if I didn't move, she would have elbowed

613
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: me right in my face. Like I literally was like,

614
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna give her the layup. I'm not even

615
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: gonna lie to y'all like I'm not one of those

616
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: people that's gonna take one for the team like that.

617
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, an elbow to the face when I'm already

618
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 2: like under manned, like I obviously wasn't able to get

619
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: around her to front her. Okay, whatever, So now I'm

620
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: gonna use my speed to like maneuver, which thank god,

621
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: because I probably would have had a broken ups.

622
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: So that is It is frustrating as a fan. I

623
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: can only imagine how frustrating it as a player. However,

624
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: it is to her benefit to continue to do because

625
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: it's working and it's being allowed. It's not on her

626
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: to stop getting That's why I said all those really

627
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: nice things about her before I brought it up. It

628
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: is very frustrating to watch, and it's not fair because

629
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: they aren't allowing it from everybody. But that pushing another people,

630
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: elbow wing, getting other people to push into you, that

631
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: bulldozing through that that has to stop, and that is

632
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: up to the refs to stop it. If I were hurt,

633
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: I would take it up a notch because I know

634
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: it's right.

635
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing.

636
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: The refs do have complete control over how much physicality

637
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: is allowed in a game. But if a team comes

638
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: out like just physically like, you can't call it. You're

639
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to call every single file because

640
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: then the game won't get played. So it is in

641
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: the team's benefit to come out on level one thousand

642
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: and dial it down, versus having the other team come

643
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: at you at level one thousand and you don't know

644
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: what to do and now you're fouling.

645
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: Now you're on your heels.

646
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: Now you're reactionary to everything, which is basically what happened

647
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: in the last game. Is the Aces start to be

648
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: just reacting to everything. And when you get into that

649
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: mode against a team that has been allowed to play

650
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: at a super physical level pretty much all season, it's

651
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: gonna be very hard for you to win. I think

652
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: that the Aces are gonna win tonight in Vegas. But

653
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: the X factor for me, which I could be completely

654
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: wrong and she could not, she could still just not

655
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: play like she hasn't been, is Kia Stokes thrower in there.

656
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: She has been a staple on this Aces team for years.

657
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: She's not gonna she's not gonna give you a lot

658
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: of points, but she's gonna rebound, she's gonna defend, she's

659
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: going to set great screens. Like Asia and Alyssa need

660
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: some time to breathe because they both have.

661
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: Their hands full with the Leah Boston and Natasha Howard.

662
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: Honestly, Natasha Howard is not an easy person in the

663
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: guard by any means either, but she's definitely way less

664
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: physical than a Leah Boston. I think that if they

665
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: utilize just Kia Stokes's size and her IQ, that could

666
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: be very helpful for Asia and Alyssa in the post.

667
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: But she hasn't really been seeing a lot of court

668
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: time as of late.

669
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: So.

670
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's going to be the thing.

671
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 2: But if I was the coach, I would throw Kia

672
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: Stokes in there just to see what that looks like.

673
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: As far as stopping Aliah Boston, especially after the game

674
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: she had last night. Also Kirsten Bell, Jewel Lloyd, and

675
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: Dana Evans. Between the three of them, they both they

676
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: have to have at least fifteen points between the three

677
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: of them. However that comes that's that is also a

678
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: reason why that they're going to win this basketball game

679
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: because they have not been producing like we think that

680
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: they should be, especially Jule. But again, she's in a

681
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: completely different role and again her team is almost the finals,

682
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: so she is definitely take in a step back from

683
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: how we're used to seeing her play for the greater

684
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: good of the team, which is something that I personally

685
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: have liked seeing from a superstar like Jewel because it

686
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: is hard to find a role in a place in

687
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: this league, and the fact that she's been able to

688
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: do so and helping this team get to the finals

689
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: coming coming off of the bench is very admirable.

690
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: She led the league in.

691
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: Scoring to just two years ago, if you guys didn't

692
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: know that, literally number one in scoring two years ago,

693
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: and now she's averaging I think ten or eleven points

694
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: coming up the bench for the Aces, but one game away.

695
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: From the WNBA Finals. So those are my X factors.

696
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't have an X factor for Indiana because like

697
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: their whole team is an X factor because the fact

698
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: that they are also one game away from the WNBA

699
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: Finals is absolutely insane.

700
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Like with Caitlin Clark setting.

701
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: Up with half of their team sitting on the bench,

702
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: Imagine the Indiana Fever, not even not even y'ave all

703
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: thought it.

704
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: Imagine the Indiana Fever go to the WBA fin us say,

705
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Kayla Clark isn't play.

706
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: Do you know how tight the powers that be? You're

707
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 3: gonna blow?

708
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Like I imagine that.

709
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: And if you told anybody at the beginning of the

710
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: season that the Fever would get to the WBA Finals

711
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: without Kaitlin Clark, a lot of people would be like,

712
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: there's no way, there's no way.

713
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Not even just Kaitlin, like we said, without the entire game.

714
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, the entire team.

715
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: So, like we said last week, like that bench group

716
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: and their energy, yes, like should.

717
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: They related a little bit, maybe maybe a tad, but.

718
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: It's been the reason why they've you know, been going,

719
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: like we said, like Kelsey, and they don't really say

720
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: much on the court. The bench really, I think that's

721
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: why the bench is always on level one thousand because

722
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: they don't.

723
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: They're super st.

724
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: No, we said a Leah doesn't say much, and ever

725
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: since we said that, she'd been saying a lot.

726
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: She was saying, Yeah, she's sneaky with it.

727
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: She is sneaky with it. And again Shamas are, so

728
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 2: I don't be. I don't I stay out of post

729
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: player's business, you know, say I stay on the perimeter

730
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: because it's dangerous down there, as we've been seeing firsthand.

731
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: I do have a fun stat from the fever. So

732
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: we obviously know that Kelsey Mitchell is leading the charge.

733
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: She's been playing out of her mind. I'm not sure

734
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: how many points she's averaging in the playoffs right now,

735
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure she's leading and.

736
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: Scoring in the playoffs. Let me check real quick. She

737
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: got yeah.

738
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: Her or Asia right now?

739
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh?

740
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: Asia?

741
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Asia is averaging twenty five and Kelsey's averaging twenty three.

742
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: So Kelsey is second and postseason scoring at twenty three

743
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: points per game on her team. She has taken eighty

744
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: three shots. The next highest person that has taken shots

745
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: is a Leiah Boston with forty nine, and then the

746
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: next person after that is thirty one Odyssey Sims. So

747
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: when we say we have two players right now quite

748
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: literally carrying their teams on their backs, and Asia Wilson

749
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: and Kelsey Mitchell, and the fact that they are completely

750
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: opposite positions is ironic because they're rarely going to guard

751
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: each other or ever be matched up against each other.

752
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: But that's what makes the series so much fun because

753
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: it is about their teammates, you know, stepping up and

754
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: helping them win. I like I said, I think Vegas got it.

755
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: It's a very hard gym to win in, even though

756
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: Indiana did go in there in Game one and felt

757
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: to ask them.

758
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: But this is Game five, it's different.

759
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I will say the Fever now have four upset wins

760
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: this postseason, which is the most since the twenty twenty

761
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: one Chicago Skuy. The winner Game five is going to

762
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: the WBA Finals. I y'all know what I want to happen.

763
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: So I will be watching tonight and I will be

764
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 1: clutching my pearls and.

765
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: I kind of really want this for Kelsey Mitchell because

766
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: you know, this is the Kelsey Mitchell fan club over here.

767
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: But selfishly, I would love a Phoenix Vegas Finals because

768
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: I could probably go to one of those games from

769
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: LA and this.

770
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Is already a win, like I feel like I felt

771
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: like before the Dream Series, this season was already a

772
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: win for Kelsey Mitchell.

773
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: It's all right, everything is. You don't need no more Kelsey.

774
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah you did it, Girl, you did it, Joe, you

775
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: did it. No, she would be I mean, she's already

776
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: stamped in the Fever organization. But if she brings this

777
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: team to the finals, like she will be super duper

778
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: stamped like Tamika Catching's type, stamped like up.

779
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: There, like Tamika Ketchings.

780
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Is if y'all don't know, and a lot we got

781
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: a lot of new w fans in the chat Tamika

782
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: Catchings just look her up.

783
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: Please, who the hell Tamika Catchings is?

784
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: And the way that this organization has Finally, I don't

785
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: think they ever undervalued Kelsey Mitchell. But even in her

786
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: media availability one day, she said, I finally have a

787
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: coach that pours into me, believes in me, gives me confidence.

788
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: And she's been in the league for eight years and

789
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: that's the first time she's ever said anything like that.

790
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: So the fact that Steph White, who is coaching her

791
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: ass off, by the way, shout out to Steph White.

792
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: The way she's poured into Kelsey Mitchell. This season has

793
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: been really amazing because I've always said Kelsey Mitchell has

794
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: been super underrated her entire career, even though she's been

795
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: putting up these numbers since year one, Day one. The

796
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: fact that she's getting all her flowers right now, whether

797
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: they win tonight or lose tonight, this season has been

798
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: absolutely incredible for Kelsey Mitchell. And God willing our CBA

799
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: goes through, Kelsey Mitchell will be getting paid.

800
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 3: Honey. Hey.

801
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: I will also say, from a fan perspective, shout out

802
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: to the Fever just a general y'all know, if you

803
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: see me on social media, I give y'all hard time,

804
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: but I will say this about the NBA to fever.

805
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: It is really nice to see with a player like

806
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark. That's kind of it's a hard role to

807
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: play with playing with a player like that, and kind

808
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: of just you're kind of supporting cast to the general public,

809
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, if just to the general

810
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: public and sometimes to your coaches or to other people

811
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: supporting cast, but for to have a player like that,

812
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: one of the most famous people on Earth, on the

813
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: bench and get to show off and be like, yo,

814
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: check this out and like have that moment like put

815
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: the whole world on notice. Maybe people turn on the

816
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: game because they want to see Kitlin Clark or they

817
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: want to see the Fever or Sophie Cunningham or something

818
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: like that, and then they get to see these players

819
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: show out and do their thing. And not only that,

820
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: but when it's reducing all of these upsets.

821
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 3: I mean they won the Commissioners Cup.

822
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean I think that you know, remember at the

823
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: beginning of the season when everyone was up in arms

824
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: about them having all all of the nationally televised games

825
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: and why aren't they why are they putting them on

826
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: TV every time? Like look at what they're doing. Like,

827
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know how many teams would have been able

828
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: to have the attention they had from the beginning, the

829
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: drama they had at the beginning, the injuries that they've

830
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: had all season long, and continue to keep showing up

831
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: and winning and competing and staying very humble throughout the

832
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: entire thing. That's one of my favorite things about Kelsey Mitchell,

833
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: how humble she is, how grateful she is, and how

834
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: much she just really loves the game. There's not a

835
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 2: better player in the League than to have this moment

836
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: than Kelsey Mitchell in my opinion, like whole world is

837
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: watching her. She's on TV every night, Like, I just

838
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: love this so much for her, and I feel like

839
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: her pairing with Kaylyn Clark last season was dynamic post

840
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: All Star.

841
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: Which we all knew was gonna happen. It was gonna

842
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: take some time for them to jail.

843
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: But even that, the season that they had last year,

844
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: I think that like invigorated Kelsey for this season. You know,

845
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: they came back like at a different level, both of them.

846
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: Before Kaitlyn got hurt. I mean, I know she was shooting.

847
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: Her shooting wasn't that great, but the way she was

848
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: facilitating and finding her teammates and Eliah start the season

849
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: off really great. Kelsey started to see it off really great,

850
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: Like they were rolling for the most part. But Sophie

851
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: Cuneham was playing well, Lexi Hall was playing well, and

852
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: that's because they have an elite point guard in Kaylen Clark.

853
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: So I love this for Kelsey Mitchell. So if they

854
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: do happen to win, I'm not even gonna be mad

855
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: at that because I want Kelsey Mitchell to get all

856
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: of the things. But We'll see what happens tonight in

857
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: game five in Vegas. I'm excited. I will be tuned in.

858
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know what time the game is at.

859
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: What time is the game It's at nine thirty. Well, yeah,

860
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: I'm very, very excited about this game five.

861
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: Well before before we go, let's get into this links

862
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: Mercury officiating, suspension finds drama. Let's see.

863
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: First of all, I've never seen a coach almost swing

864
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: on a rec before, like.

865
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Fing awful is what she said, fing malpractice practice.

866
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I love when coaches go hard for their players,

867
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: especially in a play like that at the very end

868
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: of the game that ultimately led to the Mercury winning

869
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: game three feet hurting her ankle. Like it was like

870
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: just emotions were very high in that moment, obviously, but

871
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: the screaming, uh, the almost punching, the cursing out the refs,

872
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: I mean, cursing out the fans, media fans, it was

873
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: like it just seemed like Kathy was just like in

874
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: her little office like just boo boop, Like it was

875
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: like levels and then suspension was at the top, and

876
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: Cheryl like just checked all the damn boxes. We already

877
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: we I mean, we touched on the officiating earlier in

878
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: the show, like it's just been just madly inconsistent, wildly inconsistent.

879
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: And I hope that for next season they have a

880
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: really really, really really really intensive session together because the

881
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: points of ephansis points of emphasis that they showed us

882
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season. We have to sit

883
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: down with the ref and watch a whole video and

884
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: have we have questions and we ask questions about it,

885
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: like why do we even have these sessions when what

886
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 2: y'all tell us is not what happens during the season,

887
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: like not even remotely.

888
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: But I also want to know the what got me

889
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: is I think it's really unfair. I realized she did

890
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: go she did go crazy. Play dwn's advocate. She went nuts.

891
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: Suspending the coach in a game, playing without your coach

892
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: and your star player is really difficult, and especially in

893
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: a decisive game. I thought that was a bit much.

894
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: But on top of that, to find her what fifteen

895
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and on top of that, to find the

896
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: people that came out and.

897
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: Support of like what are we doing you and why

898
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: are you're thinking about it?

899
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: Why are refs exempt from any type of criticism from

900
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: players and coaches.

901
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: I've actually never I've never.

902
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: Truly wondered that before, Like, why do players and coaches

903
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: get fined for talking about the officiating?

904
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: If it's bad, it's bad. If it's good, it's like,

905
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 3: but you know what's crazy?

906
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: You find that? I want to know because obviously there's

907
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: levels to finding people. But how does Caitlin Clark get

908
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: find two hundred dollars for saying refs can't stop us?

909
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: But you find a coach fifteen crazy for complaining about officiating,

910
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: and then on top of that, you find coaches just

911
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: for sticking up for her or agree with her one

912
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars?

913
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: How does it?

914
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: How do you go from two hundred dollars to one

915
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: thousand for thou like? That doesn't make it easy?

916
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: And then it's like it's so funny. So like when

917
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: you have a challenge, right, so you have the challenges.

918
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: And if a challenge gets accepted, that means that the

919
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: ref was wrong in real time and we clocked it

920
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: and you had to correct it. They're like I always wondered,

921
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, do they get like a ding on their

922
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: ref grading reports if they have X amount of challenges

923
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: or x amount of calls or overturned. Like we as players,

924
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: we like really don't know much about the refs, Like

925
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: we know them personally because we see them all the time,

926
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: but like I don't know like the nuances and in

927
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: depth stuff when it comes to refereeing, like if they

928
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: have like a secret society, how like they get evaluated?

929
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: What happens if they, you know, get too many complaints

930
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: from coaches?

931
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 3: Like I've always I always have wondered, like what, First.

932
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: Of all, I would never you could pay me, I

933
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: would never be a referee a day, am my freaking life?

934
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: No manyway.

935
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I've never really took a deep dive

936
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: into what like the behind the scenes is for referees.

937
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: My conspiracy and the thing that comes to the top

938
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: of my head. Again, this is me Mariah Rose, who

939
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: doesn't play in the WBA. Can't be fin I'm nothing,

940
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: I say, not Lexi Brown speaking. I truly believe some

941
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: people have let me think how I want to say.

942
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: Some people have a special whistle for good reason and

943
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: important reason. I think that there is a lot of this.

944
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: If you're watching on visual, if you're listening, you probably

945
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: can guess what gesture I just do with my hand

946
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that that goes into professional sports, and

947
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: I think that the only way that any of that

948
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: can be controlled into a way that goes into certain

949
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: people's favor is through officiating. And so when you critique

950
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: it and criticize it, the people playing in the league

951
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: and the people who actually know what's going on, when

952
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: you could get criticize it, you're kind of messing up

953
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: that side of the system. And so therefore you're not

954
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: supposed to do that and you need to fall in line.

955
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: So that's my theory. But what do I know of

956
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: associating because it doesn' wouldn't make any sense otherwise. Why

957
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: couldn't you Why couldn't you speak of the officiating? Why

958
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: don't they get fined for what they do? Why don't

959
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: they get things? Because maybe it's not entirely the reference fault, right.

960
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: And if they do get fined or things like, we

961
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: don't know about it. But like every time we do something,

962
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: get a tech, get a fine, it's like a news article,

963
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: story or something.

964
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: Right, But if you make me mad and I say

965
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: something to you in the moment in the game, you

966
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: could literally kick me out as a wrath.

967
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, That's why I could be a ref. You say,

968
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: so you say something crazy to me one time, boom

969
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: tech watch them out me though, like I've I don't

970
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 2: know if y'all remember, I got my first technical foul

971
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: in my career this year because I kicked Alyssa Thomas.

972
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: But I only kicked her because she was she was

973
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: about to fall on my leg. So I kicked her

974
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: because I was like, you're gonna break my leg. You're big,

975
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm little. And now that's what that was my only

976
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: that's been my only tech ever in eight years.

977
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: I was like, they team me up. I sayd y'all

978
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: know me. I leave y'all alone.

979
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: There's a reason. And I needed to play volleyball, a

980
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: sport with there there's a net in between me and

981
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: the other team because I want nobody touching me. I

982
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: would be Draymond greenk.

983
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, why are they going into the paint like that?

984
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: It's w w E down there? No thank you, no

985
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: thank you?

986
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: And I can only imagine basketball. I'm five seven. I

987
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: will be like, oh no.

988
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: Since we're on the topic of like fouling and officiating,

989
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: like I remember, all season long, I think we shot

990
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: like the lowest number of free throws per game in

991
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: the entire league, and I think it's it's it's it's

992
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: hard to argue sometimes because I will say, like my teammates, yes,

993
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: like layups are miss shots are missed overall, Like we

994
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: have like some very elite finishers on our team and

995
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 2: a lot of strong players. Like my teammates were like

996
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: living in the weight room, like we did plies all

997
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: the time, like people like really worked on their box

998
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: and their core strength or whatever. So when you go

999
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: into the lane and you just finish, you don't always

1000
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: get that foul call because you just go finish strong.

1001
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: And I feel like there has to be some type

1002
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: of conversation about because the athleticism is improving, like Dom

1003
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: y'all dom freaking con dunk, Like what are they going

1004
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: to do when Dom catches the alley oop one day

1005
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: and someone like jumps with her, Like they're going to

1006
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: have to figure out how to officiate that in the

1007
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: women's game at some point. The growing athleticism, because I

1008
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: was watching it all season long, like Gabby is a

1009
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: great athlete, Neka Sky like they don't and they don't

1010
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 2: fall a lot also, and sometimes you get a foul

1011
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: call simply because you fall, and sometimes refs wait till

1012
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: you fall to call the to call the foul. So

1013
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: for someone like me, like even when I go to

1014
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: the basket, like I don't fall a lot either, and

1015
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: I consider myself a decent finisher at the room.

1016
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: I don't like to get hit.

1017
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: That people know that about me, Like I will finesse

1018
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: in Fina, go my way into the lane and try

1019
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: and not get hit as often as I can. But

1020
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: then when you are able to do that at such

1021
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: a high level, sometimes you don't get the benefit of

1022
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: the foul cause.

1023
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: So I hope that you.

1024
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: Know, with the growing athleticism and the growing skill set

1025
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: of a lot of these guards, the refs look at

1026
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: a lot of game tape and see, you know, what

1027
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: type of officiating that they need to do moving forward.

1028
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: Because I think that as the game is, the game

1029
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: is evolving, players are evolving, the coaching is evolving, the

1030
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: officiating needs to evolve as well.

1031
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 3: So that's all I have to say about the referee.

1032
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: I hope I don't get fined. I can't get fined

1033
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: right now, and.

1034
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: If I do, I'm sure I'm gonna invoice the ieart.

1035
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: Let's say y'all, we will see you next week, but

1036
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: when you hear us, it will be after the conclusion

1037
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: of the Aces Fever game, and you will know who's

1038
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: going to be in the w A Finals. LEXI, you pick.

1039
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: The Aces, I do, I do, I do.

1040
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Listen, I I am gonna say that the Fever gonna

1041
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: win an only because this last week, no team that

1042
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: I have wanted to win anything has won anything. Georgia lost,

1043
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens loss, the Cowboys tied, which.

1044
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: Is like.

1045
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: Bad luck on the Fever.

1046
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna see gonna win because that's how

1047
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: my week is very crazy.

1048
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 3: That's crazy. See, that's that's spite for energy, Mariah. I

1049
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: don't like that, but I'm rooting for the Aces.

1050
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 1: I want to see Asian Wilson in the championship again.

1051
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be entertaining.

1052
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, I just want

1053
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: everyone to have fun.

1054
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: Right, And if I do get an opportunity to go

1055
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: to a finals game, I'm sorry, y'all, No shade. I

1056
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: have been to Indy one too many times in the

1057
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: last couple of years. I went to I went to.

1058
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: We're going We're going to Vegas or Phoenix. That's where

1059
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: we're going to.

1060
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Please, We're going because yeah, thanks, I'm not going back

1061
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: to you. Well, thank you for listening to this episode

1062
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: of Full Circle. Lexi say bye to the people.

1063
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: We'll see y'all next week.

1064
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: Bye. Thanks for listening to Full Circle. We'll be back

1065
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: next week with more basketball for the Girls, by the girls.

1066
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,160
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1067
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,600
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00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: to talk about. Full Circle is hosted by Lexi Brown

1069
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: and Maria Rose. Our executive producer is Jesse Katz. Our

1070
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: supervising producer is Grace Fused. Our producer is Zoe Danklab.

1071
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,120
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00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,799
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