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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. All right,

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Speaker 3: good morning, and welcome to the Counterpoints.

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Speaker 1: I do have to warn everybody and only came in

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Speaker 1: here fired up this morning. I think she miscalculated on

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Speaker 1: to be a very very interesting show. It's also going

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Speaker 3: It became a macro dough, so look out.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be talking about the UAW which has

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Speaker 1: said a noon deadline for its upcoming negotiations. It could

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Speaker 1: be an expansion of the strike coming. Zelenski was here.

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Speaker 1: President Biden spoke at the United Nations. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get we're going to go through that. Got some new

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Speaker 1: news on Pakistan and Ukraine. The IMF that we'll talk

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Speaker 1: that we're not going to talk about these special elections,

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Speaker 1: but I think they're related to this. So last night,

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Speaker 1: All of this happening while Republicans just kind of fell

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was some fun on Capitol Hill. We're going

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Speaker 5: We have some really good clips, so stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 5: We're actually going to be talking about YouTube's decision to

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Speaker 5: demonetize Russell Brand. So surely you've followed the allegations against

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Speaker 4: So we'll get to that.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to talk about alleged plans among Actually it's

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Speaker 5: of The Washington Post that they're planning a big corporate

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rumble versus Google, and we'll talk about that. But

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Speaker 5: Well, let's start with news from the UAW strike. Actually,

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Speaker 5: Ryan over at the Intercept, there's a great news story

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Speaker 1: Daniel Bogus law, colleague of mine, Confused automakers braced for

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Speaker 7: Hi, Phil Scott.

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Speaker 8: We have received some information from a source familiar with

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Speaker 1: Well, we know that whatever the source they said that

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Speaker 1: And it happens the strike fund does not one hundred

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Speaker 1: It's tough to be out on strike. It's easy to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's like a return to the dance that

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Speaker 1: You know, for for decades they had, you know, corrupt

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Speaker 1: So this is finally somebody who's represented by you know,

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Speaker 1: on Friday, September twenty second, is a new deadline. Either

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Speaker 1: And so what he's saying there is that, look, c NBC,

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Speaker 3: Doing much better.

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Speaker 1: The ghost though of Ronald Reagan haunting these conversations. Do

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So Tim Scott was actually asked about how he

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Speaker 9: I think Ronald Regan gave us a great example when

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that's it tells you that when you

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Speaker 6: And I'll tell you who pays for it is the taxpayers.

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Speaker 6: You know, here, from what I understand, the union is

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Speaker 6: a while. But you know, when you have a president

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Speaker 6: that's constantly saying, go union, Go union, this is what

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Speaker 5: a lot of the problems with the union that supports

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And one last point on Tim Scott there, so

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Speaker 10: Second year in a row. This gathering dedicated to peaceful

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Speaker 10: an illegal war of conquest brought without provocation by Russia

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Speaker 10: the United States wants this war to end. No nation

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Speaker 10: stands in the way of peace is the Russia's price

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Speaker 10: I right respectfully suggest the answers.

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Speaker 1: We also have Vladimir's a landscape. We can play a

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Speaker 11: Ukraine gave up its sword largest nuclear arsenal the world

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Speaker 7: Yet history shows it was Russia who.

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Speaker 11: Deserved nuclear disarmament the most back in nineteen nineties, and

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Speaker 7: Terrorists have no right.

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Speaker 11: To hold nuclear weapons, no right, but truly not.

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Speaker 7: The nyukes are the carriage.

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Speaker 11: Now, while nyuks remain in place, the mess destruction is

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Speaker 11: and those things are used not only against our country,

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Speaker 11: but against all of yours as well. The International Criminal

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Speaker 11: Those children in Russia are taught to hate Ukraine at all.

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Speaker 11: Ties with their families are broken, and this is clearly

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Speaker 11: Parts of Moldova and Georgia remain occupied. Russia turds Syria

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Speaker 11: Russia has almost swallowed Belarus. It is obviously threatening Kazakhstan

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Speaker 5: It's extremely interesting to note actually that of the five

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Speaker 1: Thought, performatively, he did okay, and that in those short

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Speaker 3: But on the substance of it.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like the United States is missing an

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Speaker 1: And it's clear Russia did invade, like you say whatever

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Speaker 1: misses an opportunity to say, look, we want this war

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Speaker 1: to end, and here here are ways that we could

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Speaker 1: see this war ending, clear steps, clear steps, and not

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Speaker 1: to not do that. In some ways, let's rush off

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Speaker 1: the hook, because now there's your several almost two years

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Speaker 1: into the war, and and people are almost forgetting at

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Speaker 1: this point. Now it's just another conflict that the world

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Speaker 1: wants to turn away from. But on the kind of

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Speaker 1: performance of President Biden on the international stage, which is

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Speaker 1: I think, sadly kind of the one of the most

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Speaker 1: important questions facing the world.

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Speaker 3: You know, whether or not Biden can kind.

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Speaker 1: Of appear up to the job to voters. The entire

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Speaker 1: election almost hinges on that. And so here here are

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Speaker 1: a couple clips. We can play one more that.

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Speaker 3: I think the R and C was circulating this one.

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Speaker 10: As you evolve, our institutions drive creative new partnerships. Let

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Speaker 10: me be clear, certain principles are in the national them

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Speaker 10: are sacracy. Simply put, the twenty first century. Twenty first

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Speaker 10: century results are badly needed needed to move us along.

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Speaker 5: You're like, ugh, makes me think somebody who loves him

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Speaker 5: should tell him he shouldn't run for president again. I mean,

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Speaker 5: let alone somebody who loves his country, but somebody who

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Speaker 5: loves him should tell him this has.

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Speaker 4: Got to end.

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Speaker 1: And he ran for presidents saying that he was going

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Speaker 1: to be a bridge and somebody, and I think this

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Speaker 1: was in particular reference to Gretchen Whitmer. Somebody was talking

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Speaker 1: about Whitmer and the new rising stars of the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party and Biden said, I'm a bridge to the next generation.

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Speaker 1: And he and so he said that literally, as Spiden

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Speaker 1: loves to say literally, but.

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Speaker 3: He also had a joke. Yeah. He also kind of

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Speaker 3: configured his entire campaign around.

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Speaker 1: That that he was going to be there for one term,

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Speaker 1: that his whole mission.

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Speaker 3: He's running because of Charlotte Vale.

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Speaker 1: Trump is, you know, a nasty creature at monster that

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Speaker 1: needs to be beaten back into the cave. He's going

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Speaker 1: it's his mission in life to beat him and then

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Speaker 1: be a bridge to the next generation. So he did

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Speaker 1: those things. Now he's in office, he's like, no, I

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Speaker 1: think I want to run again.

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Speaker 3: It always appen, and there was a term limits, but

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Speaker 3: oh not for me. Right, there was a kind.

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Speaker 1: Of democratic resistance, kind of There was a Muller she

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Speaker 1: wrote at a Post yesterday that was complaining about media

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Speaker 1: coverage of Biden's age and whether or not, you know,

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Speaker 1: Biden's step aside, and they were saying, you know, the

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Speaker 1: only the media is handringing about this, Democrats are not

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Speaker 1: And it's a very interesting definition of democrats or because

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Speaker 1: something like seventy percent of Democrats would like to see

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Speaker 1: a different nominee. And what people like that mean by

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Speaker 1: democrats is the very top of the Democratic Party. The

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Speaker 1: Democratic elites are comfortable or comfortable enough.

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Speaker 4: But even that's not.

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Speaker 5: True because David Ignatius wrote a column in the Washington Post,

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Speaker 5: and I think David Anaxious is known to be one

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Speaker 5: of the Biden administration's favorite columnists like they pay very

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Speaker 5: close attention.

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Speaker 4: To David Ignatius.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and he even said last he wrote a whole

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Speaker 5: column yeah, in the Washington Post saying time for Biden

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Speaker 5: to step down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so. I don't see how you can watch

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Speaker 1: that and think otherwise. Franklin's had a really funny, kind

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Speaker 1: of almost meaningless comment the other day where he said,

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Speaker 1: the only Democrat that can lose to Trump is Biden,

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Speaker 1: and the only Republican that can to Biden is Troutes.

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Speaker 4: It's actually one hundred percent true, and it was true

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think DeSantis could lose to Biden, and I

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Speaker 1: think Biden could lose to a bunch of people, and

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Speaker 1: Trump can actually lose a bunch of So it sounds cute,

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Speaker 1: it's funny, but there's such bad candidates, both of them,

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Speaker 1: that they could actually probably be beaten by multiple people.

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Speaker 5: But there's something about the matchup of both of them

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Speaker 5: that's like the perfect mirror image and the perfect inversion

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Speaker 5: of one strength and the.

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Speaker 1: Others called the two old guys in the balcony muppets,

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Speaker 1: and it's perfect.

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Speaker 5: It also reminds me it's like the Soviet Union right

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Speaker 5: when they had that carousel of aging leaders that in

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Speaker 5: the West we mocked because it was this clear. It

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Speaker 5: was a very clear sign of decline and that they

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Speaker 5: didn't have a grasp on the country and obviously they

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Speaker 5: didn't have democratic controls in the way.

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Speaker 4: That the US does.

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Speaker 3: But nineteen seventeen is over. Move on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: The other thing I wanted to point out here, there's

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Speaker 5: something about the UN backdrop, by the way, that's a

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Speaker 5: little different than when you're on.

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Speaker 4: The literal world stage.

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Speaker 5: Biden mumbling at campaign events, okay, it's bad, Biden mumbling

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Speaker 5: in front of the UN. I think there's something that

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Speaker 5: hits different about that. But also Jackie Heinrich a Fox

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Speaker 5: News made a good point. We can put this element

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Speaker 5: up that he talked last year. He had a line

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Speaker 5: where he said we seek to uphold peace and stability

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Speaker 5: across the Taiwan straight and then actually did not mention

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Speaker 5: Taiwan at all in the twenty twenty three address. So

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Speaker 5: if he hadn't mentioned at either time, it's maybe not

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Speaker 5: so interesting. Maybe you don't need to get that specific

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Speaker 5: in a UN address, But the fact that he mentioned

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Speaker 5: it last year and not this year.

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Speaker 4: I found that worth noting at least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's good, Okay, maybe little like not to

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Speaker 3: the antagonia rattling. Saberdling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime a saber goes back into a sheet for that, well.

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Speaker 5: It's not really a surprise to anybody. But yesterday the Republicans'

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Speaker 5: efforts to fund the government on a stop gap basis,

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Speaker 5: this is something that a lot of establishment Republicans really

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Speaker 5: want to do. It fell apart again. Efforts to pass

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Speaker 5: a Pentagon funding bill fell apart again. A lot of

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Speaker 5: this is due to the internal dynamics in the Republican Party,

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Speaker 5: and we're actually going to get to some of that.

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Speaker 5: But let's put a one up on the screen. This

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Speaker 5: is from Kyle Griffin, who said NBC News has confirmed

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Speaker 5: Kevin McCarthy just punted plans to tee up a vote

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Speaker 5: and the GOP's short term spending plan later this week.

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Speaker 5: Griffin says McCarthy's now left without a viable plan to

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Speaker 5: fund the government, with just twelve days is left to

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Speaker 5: avoid a shutdown.

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Speaker 1: It's rare that a post like that news will just

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Speaker 1: make me laugh out loud. You were just enjoying it,

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Speaker 1: just the phrasing up. I mean, it's it's terrible. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna suck for millions of people, probably including myself. Washington

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Speaker 1: gets hit the hardest during a government shutdown. But just

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Speaker 1: the framing of it, it's just he's right, like he's left.

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Speaker 1: The passive framing of it, maybe laugh too, because yes,

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Speaker 1: like he's left without a viable path. He does have

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Speaker 1: a viable path, it's but it is to work with Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily viable for him because then they

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Speaker 1: try to throw him out. It's not viable to throw

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Speaker 1: him out because they don't have a candidate to replace him.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing viable anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Yes, for Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Yet the world must go on.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say Matt Gates was offering Alexandria Kaser

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Speaker 5: Cortez to work with or just Democrats in general to

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Speaker 5: work with him once again last week, a total troll move.

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Speaker 5: But for Democrats, none of this works unless you throw

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Speaker 5: that house into total chaos, which again, like as a

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Speaker 5: kind of anti establishment person, I don't care about, Like, fine,

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Speaker 5: throw the house into chaos. They're going to be doing

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Speaker 5: dumb stuff either way, whether they're whether the government's shut

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Speaker 5: down or the government is running. It's dumb, like you're

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Speaker 5: passing horrible legislation and not actually solving any problems. So

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Speaker 5: does it bother me too much if they shut down

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Speaker 5: the government for a little bit. No. Does it bother

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Speaker 5: me too much if they don't shut down for the

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Speaker 5: government for a little bit, No, Because either way, there's

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Speaker 5: no substantive thing happening. And that's where I think the

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Speaker 5: Kyle Griffin tone is getting reading Republicans wrong. He may

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Speaker 5: not be reading Kevin McCarthy wrong, but Chip Roy not

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Speaker 5: all that bothered if the government shuts down, Matt Gates

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Speaker 5: not all that bothered if the government shuts down. And

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Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell waited yesterday and said Republicans always get blamed

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Speaker 5: for a shutdown kind of warning, Kevin McCarthy publicly taking

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Speaker 5: a shot at Kevin McCarthy publicly.

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Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell is.

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Speaker 5: Not wrong about that on a national level. He is

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Speaker 5: once again totally wrong about that when it comes to

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Speaker 5: representatives that comprise the House who answered to smaller districts

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Speaker 5: where voters are not just favorable to a shutdown, but

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Speaker 5: are demanding a shutdown. They're calling constantly on these lines

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Speaker 5: to the Capitol and saying, shut the damn government down,

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Speaker 5: don't send all of this money to BS purposes. And

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Speaker 5: that's why, for instance, chip Roy's hard line in the

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Speaker 5: sand on that stop gap that was worked with was

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Speaker 5: basically border security. He said, we need to have a

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Speaker 5: border security, we need to have a return to pre

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Speaker 5: COVID spending. And this kicked off the whole conversation got really,

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Speaker 5: what's the right word for this granular over differences, as

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Speaker 5: it always does when a shutdown looms. But Matt Gaetz

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Speaker 5: and Byron Donald starting going back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Well, McConnell has this incredible line that he uses that

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Speaker 1: when it comes to a government shutdown, where he says,

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Speaker 1: there's no there's no education in the second kick of

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Speaker 1: a mule. And that's how he kind of avoided previous

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Speaker 1: government shutdowns because the first one prompted by Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: back in twenty thirteen, which he did basically for email

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Speaker 1: fundraising purposes, and McConnell people hated, hated it.

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Speaker 3: It went terribly for them.

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Speaker 4: Republican voters liked it.

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Speaker 3: Some Republican voters.

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Speaker 4: Chip Roy was the chief of staff for Ted Cruz

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Speaker 4: at the time.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a great poll.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so right, so and the so the arc from

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen to today, it's right, you have so You've

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Speaker 1: got Chip Roy as Ted Cruz's chief of staff. Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruz does this, you know, basically forces a government shutdown.

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Speaker 1: He really elevated his profile at the time, creates a

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Speaker 1: split between him and McConnell. But Roy, his chief of staff,

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Speaker 1: clearly believe came out of that believing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this was a win. Absolutely, this was the way,

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Speaker 3: this way to go.

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Speaker 1: So now Roy is a member of the House of

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Speaker 1: Representatives leading this effort here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, along with Matt Gates, who we have on

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Speaker 3: the House floor yesterday. Let's roll. Let's roll, mister Gates.

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Speaker 12: I'm not voting for a continuing resolution. I'm not voting

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Speaker 12: to continue the failure and the waste and the corruption,

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Speaker 12: and the election interference, and in some cases, the efforts

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Speaker 12: that could lead this country into World War III. I

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Speaker 12: oppose the CR authored by my friend and colleague from Florida,

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Speaker 12: Byron Donald's. The Donald CR continues the Ukraine policy negotiated

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Speaker 12: by Speaker Pelosi and Mitch McConnell in the Omnibus that

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Speaker 12: Conservatives were against. The Donald CR is a permission slip

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Speaker 12: for Jack Smith to continue his election interference as they

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Speaker 12: are trying to gag the president, the former president the

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Speaker 12: United States and the leading contender for the Republican nomination,

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Speaker 12: and the Donald cr abandons the principle that it is

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Speaker 12: only a review of single subject spending bills that will

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Speaker 12: save this country and allow us to tweeze through these

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Speaker 12: programs and force these agencies to stand up and defend

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Speaker 12: their budget.

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Speaker 7: My friends, we are approaching the days where.

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Speaker 12: We're facing two trillion dollar annual deficits atop a thirty

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Speaker 12: three trillion dollar debt. This is unsustainable and just to

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Speaker 12: continue things with some facial eight percent cut over thirty

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Speaker 12: days that will lead to no programmatic reform is an

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Speaker 12: insult to the principles we fought for in January.

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Speaker 1: So he's talking about Byron Donald's there, and Emily, am

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Speaker 1: I hallocinting here? Or did I not sit in the

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Speaker 1: balcony in January and watch Matt Gates give speeches comparing

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Speaker 1: Byron Donalds to Frederick Douglass when he's nominating him to

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Speaker 1: be Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 3: And now he.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, this is this is your party? You all think

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Speaker 1: of this out, No, not Emily's party, but it's her problem.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so to the extent they consider themselves conservative, that's

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Speaker 5: my problem. But Matt Gates is a master of theater,

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Speaker 5: and Byron Donalds understands that. Now reporters caught up with

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Speaker 5: Byron Donalds and c SPAN cameras happened to capture his

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Speaker 5: interaction with those reporters. He had a great response to

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Speaker 5: Matt Gates.

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Speaker 4: Check this out.

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Speaker 5: You're Philip Erni and Matt Gates that you're telling us

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Speaker 5: is working to develop the coalition to quote to beat

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Speaker 5: the Donalds.

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Speaker 7: Cr What do you think of that?

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Speaker 13: I would challenge my colleague from Florida to create a

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Speaker 13: coalition and tries to actually get a victory for the

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Speaker 13: American people. If he wants to have a personal thing

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Speaker 13: with me going back and forth, he's entitled to. But

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Speaker 13: I don't care about that foolishness. I want to win.

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Speaker 4: Your colleagues said they want to see Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 4: no no no no.

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Speaker 13: No no no no no no no no no no no.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we wanted to play the clip basically because of

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Speaker 5: the end there, which was so great. He was about

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Speaker 5: to spill some tea clearly on Gates and the reporters like,

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Speaker 5: please please continue, sir, we have plenty of time, and he's.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you're not going to get head to go there,

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Speaker 1: and so people will understand what happened here. So Byron

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Speaker 1: Donald sat down with basically moderate Republicans and other House

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Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus members chip Roy, chip Roy, and they hashed

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Speaker 1: out a c R, a spending bill that that they

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Speaker 1: all could live with. And they're like, Okay, let's put

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Speaker 1: this on the floor. We know it's not going to

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Speaker 1: pass the sentate, we know it's not going to be

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Speaker 1: signed by Biden, but at LEAs this puts us on record,

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Speaker 1: gets us start in these negotiations.

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Speaker 3: And Gates is like, no, yeah, not doing that. Whoever

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Speaker 3: got to Donald's cr.

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Speaker 4: This is a great quote from trip Roy.

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Speaker 5: And yesterday with the vote was a procedural to allow

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Speaker 5: the vote to continue, and so that vote, the vote

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Speaker 5: to have the vote basically to allow for the vote,

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Speaker 5: was voted down. Trip Roy comes in and says, I

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Speaker 5: find it extremely difficult to explain or defend opposition to

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Speaker 5: an eight percent cut over thirty days in exchange for

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Speaker 5: the most conservative and strong border security measure we've ever passed.

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Speaker 4: Out of this body. I think that is inexplicable.

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Speaker 5: I think it's malpractice, and I think there's some outside

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Speaker 5: groups who are trying to advance themselves that are a

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Speaker 5: part of this, that are pushing this narrative that it's

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Speaker 5: somehow malpracticed to do that. So in a normal situation,

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Speaker 5: it's very difficult for Republicans to fund the government and

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Speaker 5: to have this negotiation between the Freedom Caucus, Main Street Caucus,

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Speaker 5: Tuesday group of people.

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Speaker 4: That's already hard enough.

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Speaker 5: When you graft on the Trump DESANTUS dynamics to this,

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Speaker 5: which is some of what you're seeing right now, it gets.

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Speaker 4: Even more difficult.

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Speaker 5: It was heading for a shutdown either way. Nobody wants

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Speaker 5: a CR because it means you're kicking the can to

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Speaker 5: December and nothing is going to get solved in December.

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Speaker 5: Nobody wants to have to solve these problems around Christmas.

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Speaker 5: It's just a nightmare to try to do that. People

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Speaker 5: are upset. It's even worse for public opinion. But the

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Speaker 5: chip Roy CR to your point, Ryan, what Republicans want

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Speaker 5: to do is say we have given Democrats the ball

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Speaker 5: is in their court, and we've given them a great

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Speaker 5: border security If they really want to close the border.

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Speaker 5: If they really don't want to shut down the government,

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Speaker 5: we did it, and I think they probably still. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's some quotes here from other Republicans who are like,

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Speaker 5: I think we'll just lock ourselves in a room and

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Speaker 5: we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 4: But when you have Matt Gates going after somebody.

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Speaker 5: Like Byron Donald, it makes it even less likely that

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Speaker 5: they can sit down in a room and figure something out.

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Speaker 4: I think they will if I had a bet on it.

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Speaker 5: I think Matt Gates has shown with the speaker vote,

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Speaker 5: he'll go along with it. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: he'll find something realize at the last minute he can

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Speaker 5: work with it. But man, we're not even talking about

751
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Speaker 5: the Bobert Marjorie Taylor Green Dynamics. Just a hell of

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Speaker 5: a week for the Freedom Walks.

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Speaker 1: And it's got to be interesting for somebody like Roy

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Speaker 1: to be the kind of fire breather, fire eater over

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Speaker 1: you know, back in twenty thirteen, to now be kind

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Speaker 1: of cast as some like compromising, you know, squish by

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Speaker 1: people who are out flanking him, even though you're going

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Speaker 1: to get a shutdown either way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's that? I mean? I know, we got

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Speaker 3: to move on here.

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Speaker 1: But I just I don't understand, Like what if you

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Speaker 1: listen to kind of the Bannon wing of the Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: they're celebrating people. Matt Rosendel was just on his podcast

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Speaker 1: because he was one of the five against this or

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Speaker 1: saying like and they're saying that they went from eight

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Speaker 1: or ten against the cr of to maybe two dozen

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Speaker 1: because of the you know, Bannon's posse like haranguing people

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Speaker 1: in the house. So what do they what do they

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Speaker 1: think is move Like, what are they going to get

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Speaker 1: out of this?

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Speaker 3: I think it's the same thing for fighting. I'm just

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Speaker 3: curious with their what the plan?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that it's the same thing with the

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Speaker 5: speaker battle, where everybody knew it was going to end

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Speaker 5: up being Kevin McCarthy, but they realized that they could

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Speaker 5: push way further than people thought and get even more

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Speaker 5: concessions after concessions after concessions, and you heard Gates actually

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Speaker 5: even get in on the Ukraine spending and the clip

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Speaker 5: that we played. I think they know they're eventually going

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Speaker 5: to cave at the last minute, but they're going to

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Speaker 5: look like they fought tooth and nail to get all

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Speaker 5: of these extra concessions out of the establishment wing of

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Speaker 5: the Republican Party in the process.

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Speaker 4: So again conclusion, will.

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Speaker 3: They get them or will they just look like they're fighting?

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Speaker 3: What's what's your guess.

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Speaker 5: McCarthy doesn't have a choice for the reason that you

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Speaker 5: explained earlier in the segment that it's either he's out

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Speaker 5: the door, and there's literally nobody who steps into that vacuum,

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Speaker 5: Like there's nobody that a handful of Democrats and a

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Speaker 5: handful of Republicans would settle on. There's nobody Republicans can

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Speaker 5: settle on other than McCarthy when you have such a

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Speaker 5: slim margin. So it's McCarthy or basically, and again like

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Speaker 5: doesn't bother me too much whatever happens there. But Kevin

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Speaker 5: McCarthy is clearly the best bet for the Republican Party

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Speaker 5: at this point politically substantively in terms of like actually

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Speaker 5: bringing people together to do anything, and that's their only

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Speaker 5: option and they know it. He knows it. So I

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Speaker 5: think at the end of the day, it'll be very

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Speaker 5: similar to the speaker battle, push, push, push twenty times

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Speaker 5: and then at the last minute like.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yep, here we go.

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Speaker 3: At least we get the theater.

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Speaker 5: It's good theater, so we'll stay on top of it,

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Speaker 5: that's for sure. Ryan, updates on your excellent reporting with

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Speaker 5: Mirtaza Hussein in Pakistan.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 1: I've got a new story out this week with my

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Speaker 1: Intercept colleague that uncovers the way that secret Pakistani arms

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Speaker 1: sales to the United States helped to facilitate a controversial

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Speaker 1: bailout from the International Monetary Fund earlier this year. That's

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Speaker 1: according to two sources with knowledge of the arrangement and

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Speaker 1: confirmed by internal Pakistani and American government documents. The arm

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Speaker 1: sales were made for the purpose of supplying the Ukrainian military. Now,

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Speaker 1: the revelations in this story are a window into the

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Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes maneuvering between financial and political

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Speaker 1: elites that rarely is exposed to the public, even as

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Speaker 1: the public pays that price. Harsh policy reforms demanded by

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Speaker 1: the IMF as terms for the bailout kicked off an

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Speaker 1: ongoing round of protests in Pakistan. Major strikes have taken

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Speaker 1: place throughout Pakistan in recent weeks in response to the measures.

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Speaker 1: The protests are the latest chapter in a year and

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Speaker 1: a half long political crisis roiling the country. That began

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Speaker 1: after the US encouraged the officer of then Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: in Roan Khan over his quote aggressive neutrality in the

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Speaker 1: war between Ukraine and Russia.

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Speaker 3: The new reporting starts.

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Speaker 1: To put that soft coup into context as a Refrafiak,

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Speaker 1: a nonresident scholar at the Middle East Institute, told me, quote,

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Speaker 1: Pakistani democracy may ultimately be a casualty of Ukraine's counter offensive,

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Speaker 1: But why did the E needed Pakistan?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: That goes back to the question of our lack of

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Speaker 1: an industrial base. We're great at making one hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollar airplanes that fall out of the sky and get lost,

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Speaker 1: but were not very good at making the basics. Pakistan

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Speaker 1: is known as a production hub for the types of

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Speaker 1: basic munitions needed for grinding warfare. Now, as Ukraine grappled

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Speaker 1: with chronic shortages of munitions and hardware, the presence of

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Speaker 1: Pakistani produced shells and other ordinances by the Ukrainian military

842
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Speaker 1: surfaced in news reports about the conflict, though neither the

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Speaker 1: US nor the Pakistanis acknowledged the arrangement. So we obtained

844
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Speaker 1: a trove of documents that makes it irrefutable. Records detailing

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Speaker 1: the arms transactions were leaked to US earlier this year

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Speaker 1: by a source within the Pakistani military. The documents describe

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Speaker 1: munition sales agreed to between the US and Pakistan from

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Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty two to the spring of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Some of the documents were authenticated by

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Speaker 1: matching the signature of an American brigadier general with his

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Speaker 1: signature on publicly available mortgage records in the United States,

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Speaker 1: by matching the Pakistani documents with corresponding American documents, and

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Speaker 1: by reviewing publicly available but previously unreported Pakistani disclosures of

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Speaker 1: armed sales to the United States posted by the State

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Speaker 1: Bank of Pakistan Now. The weapons deals were brokered, according

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Speaker 1: to the documents, by Global Military Products, which is a

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Speaker 1: subsidiary of Global Ordinance, a controversial arms dealer whose entanglements

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Speaker 1: with less than reputable figures in Ukraine were the subject

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Speaker 1: of a recent New York Times article. Documents outlining the

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Speaker 1: money trail and dealings with US officials include American and

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Speaker 1: Pakistani contracts, licensing and requisition documents dealing with US broker

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Speaker 1: deals to buy Pakistani military weapons for Ukraine. Now, the

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Speaker 1: economic capital and political goodwill from the arm sales played

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Speaker 1: a key role in helping secure the bailout from the IMF,

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Speaker 1: with the State Department agreeing to take the IMF into

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Speaker 1: confidence regarding the undisclosed weapons deal. That's according to sources

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Speaker 1: with knowledge of that arrangement and confirmed by a related document.

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Speaker 1: To win the loan, Pakistan had been told by the

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Speaker 1: IMF it had to meet certain financing and refinancing targets

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Speaker 1: related to its debt and foreign investment targets that the

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Speaker 1: country was struggling to meet. On May twenty third, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, Pakistan's Ambassador to the US, Masud Khan, sat

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Speaker 1: down with Assistant Secretary of State Donald Lou at the

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Speaker 1: State Department in Washington, d C. For a meeting about

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Speaker 1: how Pakistani arms sales to Ukraine could shore up its

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Speaker 1: financial position in the eyes of the IMF. The goal

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Speaker 1: of the sit down, held on a Tuesday, was to

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Speaker 1: hash out details of the arrangement ahead of an upcoming

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Speaker 1: meeting in Islamabad the following Friday between US Ambassador of

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Speaker 1: Pakistan Donald Blum and then Finance Minister is shak dhar Now.

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00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: Lou told Khan at the May twenty third meeting that

882
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: the US had cleared payment for the Pakistani munitions production

883
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: and would tell the IMF confidentially about the program. Lou

884
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: acknowledged the Pakistani's believed the arms country to be worth

885
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: nine hundred million dollars, which would help to cover a

886
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Speaker 1: remaining gap in the financing required by the IMF, tagged

887
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: at roughly two billion dollars. What precise figure that the

888
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: US would end up relaying the IMF remained to be negotiated,

889
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: he told Khan.

890
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: Now.

891
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: At the meeting on Friday, Dar brought up the IMF

892
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: question with Blum, according to a report in Pakistan Today,

893
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: which said that quote, the meeting highlighted the significance of

894
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Speaker 1: addressing the stalled IMF deal and finding effective solutions to

895
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Speaker 1: Pakistan's economic challenges. Now, securing the loan eased economic pressure,

896
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Speaker 1: enabling the military government to delay elections and deepen the

897
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Speaker 1: crackdown against Khan's supporters and other dissenters. The US has

898
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Speaker 1: remained largely silent about the extraordinary scale of the human

899
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: rights violations that pushed the future of Pakistan's democracy into doubt.

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00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 3: Now.

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00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: A spokesperson at the Pakistani embassy in Washington declined to comment,

902
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: referring questions to the State Department. A spokesperson for this

903
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: State Department denied the US played any role.

904
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Speaker 3: In helping procure the loan. Quote.

905
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Speaker 1: Negotiations over the IMF review were a matter for discussion

906
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Speaker 1: between Pakistan and IMF officials. The United States was not

907
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Speaker 1: party to those discussions, though we continued to encourage Pakistan

908
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: to engage constructively with the IMF on its reform program unquote.

909
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: An IMF spokesperson denied the institution was pressured, but did

910
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Speaker 1: not comment on whether it was taken into confidence about

911
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: the weapons program, saying quote, we category we categorically deny

912
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: the allegation that there was any external pressure on the

913
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Speaker 1: IMF in one way or another. While discussing support to

914
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Speaker 1: Pakistan unquote. Yet, US Senator Chris Van Holland, speaking to

915
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Speaker 1: a group of Pakistani reporters before our story was published,

916
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Speaker 1: said this.

917
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 14: The United States has been very instrumental in making sure

918
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Speaker 14: that the IMF came forward with its emergency economic relief.

919
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 14: Obviously they're continuing challenges now.

920
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: I talked to him in the hallway and the Capitol

921
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: and asked him how he had learned of that, and

922
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Speaker 1: he said, quote, my understanding based on conversations with folks

923
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Speaker 1: in the administration has been that we supported the IMF

924
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Speaker 1: loan package given the desperate economic situation in Pakistan unquote. Now,

925
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Speaker 1: the Pakistan government's response has been even more extreme than

926
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Speaker 1: the Americans. They just flat out denied everything. They said

927
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Speaker 1: that our story was fabricated, saying, quote, the IMF stand

928
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: by arrangement practice was successfully in negotiate, and they even

929
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Speaker 1: denied any Pakistan does not provide any arms and ammunition

930
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Speaker 1: to them. Pakistan's defense experts are always a company with

931
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Speaker 1: strict end user requirements.

932
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Speaker 3: Okay, sure they are.

933
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Speaker 1: So, so this is this is where we are in

934
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Speaker 1: the In the last couple of days in Pakistan as well,

935
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Speaker 1: there's been this horrifying story that's unfolded over the last

936
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Speaker 1: several weeks and months where the child of a man

937
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Speaker 1: who was detained by the package turns out by the

938
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Speaker 1: Pakistani military without charges, without having done anything, just as

939
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Speaker 1: detained as a political prisoner. The kid began began suffering

940
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Speaker 1: such incredible trauma he had to be hospitalized and this

941
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Speaker 1: week he died. And there's been mourning across Pakistan has

942
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Speaker 1: been following the this this child's dissent because of the

943
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Speaker 1: loss of his father with with no response from the

944
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Speaker 1: Pakistan military. And so now because of these the documents

945
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Speaker 1: that we've been able to review, we can we can

946
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Speaker 1: put it all into the global context that it turns

947
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Speaker 1: out that this was simply about the US needing a

948
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Speaker 1: reliable supplier of munitions for the war in Ukraine.

949
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 5: Yes. Absolutely, And you know, Ryan, I wanted to put

950
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Speaker 5: this thread.

951
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Speaker 4: I think we have the element here.

952
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Speaker 5: This is from a Wall Street Journals slash.

953
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Speaker 4: I think AEI.

954
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Speaker 5: He did a thread basically outlining what he saw as

955
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Speaker 5: the problem with your reporting. So he says, if this

956
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Speaker 5: intercept story is true, and listen, this is a great

957
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 5: sentence from this fella here, then the PDM government and

958
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Speaker 5: the Pakistani Army deserve the gratitude of the Pakistani people

959
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 5: for definitely using a piffling amount of alleged arms transfer

960
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 5: to Ukraine to avert an economic catastrophe in Pakistan. So

961
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Speaker 5: basically his contention is that you're reporting a he's putting

962
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Speaker 5: He's basically putting words in your mouth and says, you're

963
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Speaker 5: reporting is necessarily framing all of this as nefarious, corrupt,

964
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Speaker 5: and a bad thing, which I don't think your reporting does.

965
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Speaker 4: I think it's this is what happened, yeah, exactly.

966
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Speaker 5: Secondly, though he's saying well done for you know, negotiating

967
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: behind closed doors. It's almost like this cold realist take that, like, well,

968
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Speaker 5: these negotiations are going to happen anyway, so x Y

969
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Speaker 5: and Z. Maybe that's true, but then maybe the US

970
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 5: should stop lying about what happened.

971
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Speaker 1: And Pakistan line, Yeah, it's funny when the countries, like

972
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: key defenders are going, are admitting to things that the

973
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: country itself is still completely denying, right rightment by the country,

974
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean the government. The government is claiming that there's

975
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: all eyes, all fabricated, none of this is true, whereas

976
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: it's defenders are saying, no, no, this stuff is obviously.

977
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: True, and it's great. But it's great and it's also.

978
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: Unimportant, right, like, pick one of these four things and

979
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: just ride with that.

980
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: And I think the fact that the US won't own

981
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 5: up to it and Paksan won't own up to it

982
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 5: is that there's a sense of shame about it. And

983
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 5: when you have the defenders being like, listen, there is

984
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 5: there's no reason to have any shame over this. It

985
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 5: would be so much better if we could just have

986
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 5: that conversation, right and explain why this is just such

987
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 5: a wonderful thing to be kind of negotiated in the dark,

988
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 5: and then people are reporters are misled about it as

989
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 5: opposed to saying.

990
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: No, no, we wouldn't do that.

991
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: No, And it's not just shame publicly and shame in

992
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: the mirror.

993
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: I think it's it's.

994
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: Complicated geopolitically for Pakistan because its biggest creditor is China

995
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: and its close ally in a lot of ways is Russia.

996
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: You know, they gone was trying to negotiate to get

997
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: cheap gas in there.

998
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: Which is why he was resisting getting involved.

999
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

1000
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: And so both you know, Russia for obvious reasons doesn't

1001
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: want Pakistan making munitions for Ukraine. But China too has

1002
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: been pressuring countries to try to get this war to

1003
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: wrap up. It's it's it's no longer a convenient war

1004
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: at all for China. And so to find out that, uh,

1005
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: that they're that Pakistan, which they lend all of this

1006
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Speaker 1: money to, and and trying to help help them get

1007
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: the IMF loan as well by by by kind of

1008
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: refinancing some debt obligations that they didn't have to do

1009
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: to find out that actually it was. It involved this

1010
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: weapons production is going to be complicated for that relationship

1011
00:52:59,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: as well.

1012
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 5: It's really the perfect story. And I don't mean this

1013
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 5: like perfect in a good way. It's the perfect distillation

1014
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 5: of the problem with Joe Biden slurring and mumbling at

1015
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 5: the UN about the US leading the rules based order,

1016
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 5: and then at the same time, you know, you have

1017
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 5: him saying you need the rules based order to prevent

1018
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 5: incursions in Ukraine, to prevent aggressors from starting these bloody

1019
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 5: invasive wars like Russia did in Ukraine. In order to

1020
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 5: do that, we're going to sort of violate the rules

1021
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: based order. As the leader of the rules based order.

1022
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 5: Behind closed doors, we're going to do all kinds of

1023
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 5: stuff like we're gonna use our leverage to change your

1024
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 5: democratic process.

1025
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 4: Deal with the rules based order. We're on top. We

1026
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 4: make the rules, even if we don't always follow them.

1027
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: Right.

1028
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: It is as a refer feek it said, the Pakistan's

1029
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: democracy is just being sacrificed at the altar of democracy.

1030
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, perfect, perfect distillation there.

1031
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, all right, so Russell Brand is not looking so

1032
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: good on YouTube. What's the latest?

1033
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 5: Yes, so I know most people have heard by now

1034
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 5: the allegations that were raised against Russell Brand. I'm going

1035
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 5: to just read this sentence from the New York Post

1036
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 5: because I think they encapsulated with some precision here. They

1037
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 5: say he's been accused of raping, sexually assaulting and abusing

1038
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 5: for women over seven years in the past. Now, Russell

1039
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 5: Brand was demonetized yesterday by YouTube over these allegations, not

1040
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 5: just by YouTube, actually some of his content. We have

1041
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 5: a lot of elements here because there's a whole lot

1042
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 5: going down, a whole lot going on.

1043
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 4: You can see the.

1044
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 5: New York Times there reporting that YouTube suspended the comedian

1045
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 5: and actor Russell Brand on Tuesday from making money from

1046
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: videos posted to the social media platform. That was three

1047
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 5: days after British news organizations published their investigation. The channel

1048
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 5: is a potentially significant source of income. The Time says

1049
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 5: who was earning money Brand was through advertisements and paid motions.

1050
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 5: A spokeswoman for YouTube said in an email that mister Brand,

1051
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: whose channel has six point six million subscribers on YouTube,

1052
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 5: was suspended for YouTube's violating YouTube's quote creator responsibility policy.

1053
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 4: Here's the quote.

1054
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 5: If a creator's off platform behavior harms our users employees

1055
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 5: or ecosystem. We take action to protect, to protect the community.

1056
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 5: The spokesman did not respond to The Times question about

1057
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 5: how long that suspension would last, which is actually a

1058
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 5: pretty important question. Brand denied everything he posted his clip

1059
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 5: on Friday. Again, I'm sure people have seen this by

1060
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 5: now saying that everything was consensual. Essentially, now a video resurface.

1061
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 5: There have been all kinds of things because the guy

1062
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 5: was a raunchy comedian for years, has been a raunchy comedian.

1063
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 5: He's talked about all of this stuff for years, so

1064
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 5: people are of course, before.

1065
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Speaker 1: We go to that, can we just I just want

1066
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: to read the one text mesters that I think is

1067
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: the most damaged thing that the Times has gotten. So

1068
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: one woman who accused him of rape present presented the

1069
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: paper with text messages that the paper confirmed were from

1070
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: Brand from Brand's number, and so this is the next morning,

1071
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: he texted her, I'm sorry that was crazy and selfish.

1072
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: I hope you can forgive me.

1073
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: I know that you're a lovely person x and she

1074
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: writes back, you scared the blank out of me, right,

1075
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: I am a lovely person and for you to take

1076
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: advantage of me like this is unexpected. It's unacceptable. You

1077
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: have a problem, you need help. It's dangerous that you

1078
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: think you can get your own way all the time.

1079
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: You know how scary you are when that glazed look

1080
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: comes over you. And so yeah, you know that it's

1081
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: hard to find corroborating evidence outside of a video.

1082
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, any more direct than that.

1083
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 5: And actually the other thing is, as many people know,

1084
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 5: one of the victims at the time had a rape kit.

1085
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 4: She went to actually have the investigation with the.

1086
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 5: Rape kit, which suggest I mean, it's obviously not something

1087
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 5: the vast majority of women do if they don't believe

1088
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 5: that they were.

1089
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 4: Victims of rape.

1090
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 5: It suggests that at the time she saw it that way,

1091
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 5: and it's not the same as many me two cases

1092
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 5: that have been high profile where you know, we've had

1093
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: this kind of public conversation that changed the way women,

1094
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 5: for better or for worse, in different situations, saw what

1095
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 5: happened to them, depending on the severity and the scale

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Speaker 5: of it. This suggests that at the time this woman

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Speaker 5: absolutely saw this as a rape to the point where

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Speaker 5: she went and had a rape kit. This is obviously

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Speaker 5: very serious and suggests that she didn't see it as

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Speaker 5: consensual in the same way that Russell Brand is now

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Speaker 5: saying this was all, of course consensual. That said, the

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Speaker 5: YouTube policy, I think is what we can get into

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Speaker 5: that I think it is going in a somewhat frightening

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00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 5: or very serious direction. But I also wanted to raise

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Speaker 5: that there have been videos like this one we have.

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Speaker 5: I think we have the element here of Katherine McPhee

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Speaker 5: on Jimmy Fallon with Russell Brand from years ago. If

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 5: you're watching on the screen, you can see the picture

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00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 5: there he pulled her onto his lap and this was

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Speaker 5: on Fallon's nighttime talk show back in twenty thirteen. Katherine

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00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 5: McPhee waited on Instagram and said, you know, this specific

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Speaker 5: incident was over ten years ago and it was harmless.

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00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 5: Now another thing came upline on Deadline, which had an

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Speaker 5: exclusive saying that his Brand's last major television job in

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00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 5: the UK ended with him being dropped after he was

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00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 5: repeatedly accused of being a quote sexual predator during the

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 5: recording of the show. So this was a Comedy Central

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00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 5: roast battle. It was the spin off of the show

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00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 5: that they did here in the US, or basically it

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Speaker 5: was based on it, and it only lasted a season.

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Speaker 5: He was roasted on camera by one of the judges,

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Speaker 5: Katherine Ryan, over these allegations. She said last year she

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Speaker 5: didn't name Brand.

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Speaker 4: At the time.

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Speaker 5: She confirmed with multiple Deadline confirmed with multiple sources that

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Speaker 5: this was about Brand. She said, I, in front of

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Speaker 5: loads of people in the format of the show, said

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Speaker 5: to this person's face that they are a predator. Now,

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Speaker 5: one of the sources told Deadline. This person said other

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Speaker 5: comedians may have also called up Brand, though that has

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Speaker 5: not been confirmed by those.

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Speaker 4: Who worked on the show.

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Speaker 5: Two other sources said he demanded that producers protect him

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Speaker 5: from being roasted by his fellow comedians. Finally, we have

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Speaker 5: from the Hollywood Reporter BBC saying that it's actually removed

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Speaker 5: some programming featuring Wreussell Brand from streaming services amid these allegations.

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Speaker 5: BBC has says it does not ban or remove content

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Speaker 5: when it is a matter of public record unless we

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Speaker 5: have justification for doing so. There is limited content featuring

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Speaker 5: Wressel Brand on Eyeplayer and Sounds. We've reviewed that content

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00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 5: and made a considered decision to remove some of it

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Speaker 5: some of it, having assessed that it now falls below

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Speaker 5: public expectations. So let's dux suppose that quote from the

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Speaker 5: BBC with YouTube's Creator Responsibility policy, they say, if a

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 5: creator's off platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem,

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Speaker 5: we take.

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Speaker 4: Action to protect the community.

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Speaker 5: Ryan allegations of Russell Russell Brand, we both agree are

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01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 5: serious now demonetizing people amid those allegations when things are

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Speaker 5: being litigated in the court of public opinion, certainly in

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Speaker 5: the United States, within the discretion of a private company

1152
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 5: like Alphabet, Google, YouTube BBC is another question with UK

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01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 5: speech laws, what do you make of it?

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Speaker 3: This is such a This is such a tough.

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Speaker 1: One because I think he's guilty, Like I think that

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01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: the evidence is very clear.

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Speaker 3: But because we have.

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Speaker 1: This bizarre system where we go on this case by

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Speaker 1: case basis of you know, who gets to have a

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Speaker 1: platform and who doesn't get to have a platform, then

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Speaker 1: it leads every single person that has to then adjudicate

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01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: each case and say whether or not that they kind of,

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01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, fall above or below some arbitrary line that

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Speaker 1: that we don't like, that we don't have any say

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: over anyway, like the holth just pawing in the dark

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Speaker 1: here and so it it again I think speaks to

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Speaker 1: the need for some type of broad regulation and which

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Speaker 1: says that, you know, the corporation is not responsible for uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, not responsible for the platform, not responsible for

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Speaker 1: what the performers say. Because the second that you're responsible

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Speaker 1: for it, then everything that you allow, everything that you

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Speaker 1: allow onto your platform, you're then sort of indirectly endorsing,

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Speaker 1: which you don't want to get in that position either.

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Speaker 3: But it's but it's a very but it's not an

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Speaker 3: easy it's not an easy question.

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Speaker 1: Because like and I, and the guy has said that

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Speaker 1: what what he has admitted in the past is that

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Speaker 1: he was a second addict, which is a nice way

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Speaker 1: of saying that he was a predator. Probably I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's anybody I doubt he would even necessarily disagree

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Speaker 1: with that kind of description. What he disagrees with is

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Speaker 1: whether or not there was consent in these occasions. At

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Speaker 1: least in the one case that I mentioned at the

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Speaker 1: top of this block. He acknowledges that in hindsight he

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Speaker 1: felt like there wasn't and probably in real time he

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Speaker 1: wondered whether there was, Otherwise he wouldn't have sent an.

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Speaker 3: Apology text exactly the next morning. So he's guilty. Like

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Speaker 3: I think we can barely say that and it's.

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Speaker 5: Hardly, by the way, given Russell Brand's intentional public persona,

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Speaker 5: especially before he shifted more and more to politics, surprising

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Speaker 5: he openly I think he actually openly joked once about

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Speaker 5: some of.

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Speaker 4: The stuff and Luis King did it, yes, and so

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Speaker 4: it was it's.

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Speaker 5: There's a there's a really great line that Camille Polia

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Speaker 5: wrote Paulia in the heat of the Me Too movement,

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Speaker 5: for I think it was the Hollywood Reporter.

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Speaker 4: It was a column.

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Speaker 5: She said that this idea that she said, great art

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Speaker 5: has often been made by bad people, and the idea

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01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 5: that the artist has to be some sort of moral paragon.

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Speaker 5: She called it a sentimental canard of Victorian moralism. And

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Speaker 5: I really liked that line because it's true. And we

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01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 5: do in the post Me two era, in the Me

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 5: Too era, and need permission to accept what we all know,

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01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 5: which is that great art has often been made by

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01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 5: bad people. And I'm not saying that Russell Brand is

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Speaker 5: a great artist, although I find him to be a

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Speaker 5: very interesting thinker, a very compelling thinker, somebody who's outside

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Speaker 5: of the box. And I do think it's interesting that

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Speaker 5: as soon as he started approaching some truly anti establishments,

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Speaker 5: so he was always sort of, you know, a kind

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Speaker 5: of anti establishment guy when he was focusing mostly on

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Speaker 5: British politics and of pro socialist, anti capitalist. I do

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Speaker 5: think it is interesting that when he crossed the kind

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Speaker 5: of orthodoxy and cultural questions is when some of the

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Speaker 5: stuff I think the timing is genuine interesting. That doesn't

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Speaker 5: make him any less guilty. I do think that there's

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Speaker 5: some political weaponization going on here, but YouTube taking that

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Speaker 5: step to demonetize people and the BBC like their justifications

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Speaker 5: are so broad that it's going to implicate some genuinely

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Speaker 5: good artists that their users actually can make the decision

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Speaker 5: whether or not they want to engage with that person.

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Speaker 5: I saw some people bringing up like r Kelly and

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Speaker 5: you know other stuff like that, are Kelly fantastic artists?

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Speaker 4: Sorry?

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Speaker 5: Also guilty, clearly guilty fantastic artists? And these questions are

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Speaker 5: they're hard, But also that that question of whether or

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 5: not you can enjoy art from bad people isn't hard.

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Speaker 5: You have to be able to do it, otherwise you'll

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Speaker 5: only be watching like the worst art basically.

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Speaker 1: And as a yes, as a society, I think we

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Speaker 1: have to be able to separate.

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Speaker 4: Politicians and artists and.

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Speaker 3: The art and the art and the artist.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that the artist is free of criminal implications.

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Speaker 3: And R. Kelly is a great example prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: And so if it does appear like there are cases

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Speaker 1: that can be made here against Russell Brand, and they

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01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: should go for that. And that's why as a public

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Speaker 1: we want to have legal frameworks set up. There's established

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01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 1: and give give people a fair trial, and but give

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Speaker 1: victims a chance to bring charges forward and then if

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Speaker 1: they found guilty, these are the consequences. To push it

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Speaker 1: off onto platforms and to consumers is to me a

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: cop out, like it's that's not the that's not those

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01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: aren't decisions that should be forced into the into those

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01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: spheres like if you commit a crime, you should be

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Speaker 1: prosecuted for it. And he appears to have committed multiple

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Speaker 1: crimes or at least this, I mean, this is just

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Speaker 1: the one I'm highlighting here. There are other very other

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Speaker 1: credible accuzation as well, and prosecute those.

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Speaker 5: And for you toube so based on that point, for

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01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 5: YouTube to say this kind of broad justification that the

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01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 5: content from somebody who is a very like accused of

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 5: very serious crimes harms their users or their employees. That

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01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 5: is going to implicate a whole lot of content that

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Speaker 5: YouTube a is just not going to take down and

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Speaker 5: be if they were pressed too, would not want to

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Speaker 5: take it down, nor would their users, because users can

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01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 5: make decisions. You know that doesn't apply to children, but

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01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 5: users can make decisions about which content to engage with.

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01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 4: And you know what, if they want to.

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01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 5: Watch a Woody Allen interview, or they want to watch

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01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 5: a Bill Clinton interview, if they want to watch a

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01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 5: Donald Trump interview, they can make those decisions for themselves

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Speaker 5: because this is all part of the world that we

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Speaker 5: live in, and YouTube is an incredible resource for understanding

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Speaker 5: the world, and it doesn't have to be an endorsement

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Speaker 5: of all of these amazing primary sources that we have

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Speaker 5: access to via YouTube. It's just a crazy standard, I

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Speaker 5: think think in a really dangerous one. I hope it's

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Speaker 5: not a permanent suspension. And I get that it's just

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Speaker 5: for monetization. I get that they have them on the platform.

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Speaker 5: It's a question of whether they're taking you're allowed to

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Speaker 5: make money off that content. I think all of the

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Speaker 5: same problems still apply.

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Speaker 3: To those questions. What are you looking at today?

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Speaker 5: Well, Last week, Jeff Stein of the Washington Post had

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Speaker 5: a report that did not get nearly enough attention. I'm

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Speaker 5: going to read from it right here. Trump and his advisor,

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Speaker 5: Stein reported have discussed deeper cuts to both individual and

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Speaker 5: corporate tax rates that would build on his controversial twenty

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01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 5: seventeen tax law, which they see as a major accomplishment

1285
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,439
Speaker 5: worth expanding. According to interviews with half dozen people close

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Speaker 5: to the former president, some of whom spoke on the

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Speaker 5: condition of anonymity to describe private conversations, the cuts could

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Speaker 5: be paid for, at least in theory, with a new

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01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 5: ten percent tariff on all imports to the United States

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Speaker 5: that Trump has called for, which could raise hundreds of

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Speaker 5: billions in revenue.

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Speaker 4: The sharp new.

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Speaker 5: Tax cuts would help offset higher consumer costs by the tariffs.

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Speaker 4: Now it's a long.

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01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 5: Article, but let me read one more part of it

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Speaker 5: that caught my attention. Still, Trump may propose using that revenue,

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Speaker 5: so revenue raised by the tariff, to send a dividend

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Speaker 5: payment to US consumers, similar to the state of Alaska

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Speaker 5: how they cut a check every year to residents from

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Speaker 5: oil revenue. That's according to New Gingrich, who of course

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Speaker 5: served as GOP Speaker of the House and remains an

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01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 5: outside advisor to the former president. Gingrich stress that there

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01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 5: are quote many options for how to use the revenue.

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Speaker 5: Stein quotes both or Nett mentions that both Steve Moore

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01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 5: and Art Laugher Arthur Laffer, who are apparently advising the

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Speaker 5: potential former future Trump administration former and future Trump administration

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Speaker 5: on economic policy, are not a fan of the potential

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Speaker 5: dividend payments, but they are absolutely supportive of renewing this

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Speaker 5: twenty seventeen push.

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Speaker 4: And actually expanding on it.

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Speaker 5: I think this is really interesting because it brings in

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Speaker 5: this entire quot question of whether the Republican Party has

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Speaker 5: Ryan and I opposed to sarab Amari recently, can truly

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Speaker 5: become the party of the working class in a way

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Speaker 5: that sort of matches the rhetoric we talked earlier in

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Speaker 5: the show about Tim Scott and Nicky Haley's statements on

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Speaker 5: the UAW strike, which contrasts with Donald Trump's effort which

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Speaker 5: he will do alongside the Republican debate. He's skipping the

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Speaker 5: Republican debate to talk to out auto workers in Detroit.

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Speaker 5: He's trying to drive a wedge between Biden and the

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Speaker 5: UAW between Democrats in general and union workers in general.

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Speaker 5: That's a much smarter tactic than what Tim Scott and

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Speaker 5: Nicky Haley are doing, which is just sort of, you know,

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01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 5: saying well Reagan in the auto and the air traffic

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Speaker 5: controllers in a way that is not, you know, tethered

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Speaker 5: to any nuance or particular details. But all that is

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01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 5: to say, if Donald Trump's administration future administration is already

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Speaker 5: like very ecstatic for the prospect of a tax cut,

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Speaker 5: it's really interesting to me that throughout this article all

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01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 5: we hear is about the corporate tax cut. What they want,

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Speaker 5: essentially is a cleaner corporate tax code, so something like

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Speaker 5: a flat tax for corporations, and that's what this article

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Speaker 5: is conveying. So unless Jeff Stein, who we've certainly talked

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Speaker 5: to before, has an inaccurate kind of depiction of these conversations,

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Speaker 5: unless his article is just for some reason, really focused

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Speaker 5: on everything they're saying about the corporate tax rate and

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 5: nothing they're saying about the individual tax rate, it sounds

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01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 5: like people advising Donald Trump have their priorities backwards. I

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 5: know you're going to be surprised to hear about that,

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01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 5: and It's probably a fair question as to whether either

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 5: major political party can truly represent the working costs interests

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d c. And in various state houses. I'm

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 5: not sure that's possible, but as the Republicans try, because

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump brought in specifically union workers, workers in the

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 5: rust belt, people who vote a Democrat or didn't vote

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Speaker 5: at all for a long time, even some supporters of

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Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders into the Republican Party. Can they vote for

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 5: other Republicans? Will they vote for other Republicans outside of

1349
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 5: Donald Trump? Will they vote will they support a Republican

1350
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 5: agenda outside of Donald Trump? Will they continue to support

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01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 5: Donald Trump himself? These are all very fair questions that

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 5: Republicans need to answer. And when you have the consensus

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01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 5: among even the conservative movement, and I can tell you

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01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 5: this as somebody who runs in those circles, the consensus

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01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 5: is that the twenty seventeen tax bill, which had great

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 5: effects for many taxpayers, was a mistake because it showed

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01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 5: that Republicans were expending all of this political capital on

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01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 5: sort of a priority of fiscal conservatism, even if it

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 5: had materially positive benefits for the average person. Republicans spent

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Speaker 5: so much time and energy on this bill that Paul

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01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 5: Ryan came out and said, we are finally going to

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Speaker 5: get your taxes down.

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Speaker 4: To a postcard.

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Speaker 5: You'll be able to do your taxes on a postcard.

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01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 5: That's actually kind of a populist priority. It might be good,

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Speaker 5: it might sound good for corporations, it might sound good

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Speaker 5: for really wealthy individuals, but it's not because in order

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Speaker 5: to get your taxes down to a postcard, Paul Ryan

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 5: knows this, you have to cut all of the loopholes.

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Speaker 5: Do you have to close all of those loopholes simplify

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Speaker 5: the tax code, And people have questions about whether that

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Speaker 5: raises enough revenue. Trump says, well, offset it with a tariff.

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Speaker 5: That's something that you can be part of the conversation.

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Speaker 5: But in order to achieve the goal that Paul Ryan

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Speaker 5: said he was so excited about, you have to really

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 5: stick it to rich people in corporations to make it

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 5: so the average American can do their taxes on a postcard.

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Speaker 5: Which is why, of course it didn't happen, and it's why,

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Speaker 5: of course we ended up with a bill that establishment

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Speaker 5: Republicans were so happy about.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to do.

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Speaker 5: More of and from the Washington Post article, it doesn't

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01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 5: sound like the focus is at all on fixing the

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01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 5: tax code for the average individual, basically because everyone knows

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Speaker 5: that's impossible. And by the way, I think they know

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01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 5: that really going to a flat tax for corporations is impossible.

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Speaker 5: I think that would in some sense help with on shoring.

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 5: I think there are ways that you could do it

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 5: that would help with bringing back jobs, good paying jobs,

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Speaker 5: back to the United States. But oh my gosh, the

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Speaker 5: lack of attention paid to average Americans and the level

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01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 5: of excitement that people have for just going in on

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 5: another big corporate tax cut in Donald Trump's own circles,

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Speaker 5: I think is a very clear message that the Republican Party,

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01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 5: even in Trump's circles, is still struggling mightily because of

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 5: this vast infrastructure basically that has already existed throughout the

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 5: history of the conservative movement that is sort of reflexively

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Speaker 5: pro business. That is, that's a hard muscle memory to

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Speaker 5: get rid of it. You have to basically retrain your

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Speaker 5: muscles to continue torturing this metaphor. And for all of

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01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 5: the times you have Tom Cotton, you know, introducing a

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Speaker 5: bill to hike the federal minimum wage. Tom Cotton is

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01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 5: a you know, not necessarily your your new right icons

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01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 5: somebody who has sort of neo conservative foreign policy and

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01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 5: is known for having fairly fiscally conservative economic policy. All

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Speaker 5: the times you have him introducing, you know, a federal

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,839
Speaker 5: minimum wage hike, everything that jd Vance and Josh hollytok.

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Speaker 5: Josh Holly introduced legislation last week to cap credit card

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01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 5: interest rates. That's a huge blow to these companies. So

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Speaker 5: for every time you have that happening from a Republican,

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01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 5: you still have this muscle memory that I think is

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Speaker 5: creating this real struggle for Republicans as they look to

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01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 5: actually govern in a way. Some of them look to

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01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 5: actually governor in a way that sort of puts the

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Speaker 5: money where the mouths are. Some people just want to

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 5: keep flapping the gums saying they're they're representing, you know,

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 5: the average working class person and talking about that on

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 5: cultural issues to the extent that they even want to

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01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 5: talk about those anymore, and doing the Nikki Haley well union's.

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Speaker 4: Bad, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: They want to keep doing that, and their muscles don't

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01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 5: want to allow them to actually govern in a way

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01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 5: that is serious, whether it's libertarian populism, you know, the

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 5: sort of Ron Paul populism that's genuinely anti corporate or

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 5: you know, economic populism in a way that some people

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01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 5: consider on the left maybe more statists. They don't want

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Speaker 5: any of that period, and their muscles aren't going to

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01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 5: let them do it anyway. So Ryan, interesting story here

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01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 5: from Jeff Stein, and I think ran more original reporting

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01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,520
Speaker 5: from you today, and even I think a cool tutorial

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 5: on how to do screen recording is what you have

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 5: for us.

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Speaker 4: What's going on with Google and Rumble?

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: So the last Republican debate was held on August twenty third,

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Speaker 1: and a couple weeks before that, Google reached out to

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Speaker 1: the RNC and asked the rn C, Hey, do you

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01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: have a live streaming partner for the upcoming debate? If so,

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: who RNC responded yes, In fact, Rumble has the exclusive

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01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: live stream results. The civics team over at Google, to

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: their credit, said, sounds great. You either connect us with

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01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: Rumble or give us a link to the upcoming live

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01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: stream if you have it. So, rn C then asks

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: you what exactly do you need? Google explains to them

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: quote as we often do for major election events. We're

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01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: exploring linking to the live stream on search, and our

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01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 1: product team is asking for a link to test the feature. Unquote,

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Speaker 1: that's an email that I obtained from Google over to

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Speaker 1: the RNC.

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Speaker 3: RNC ends up.

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01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: Adding Rumble to this chain, and they go back and

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01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: forth then for a couple of days about whether they

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01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: get a link, whether they get on the phone, and

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: Emily and I can talk about the bizarre kind of

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01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: email conversation that unfolds from there. The upshot though, is

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01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,799
Speaker 1: that this and we can put up this little screen

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01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: recording is what people saw if they searched GOP debate

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01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: stream kind of the night of the debate. There's YouTube,

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: there's YouTube, there's ABC News, there's the Verge on how

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01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: to watch the debate, a couple, you know, a couple

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01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: of articles. What you do not see on the front

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01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: page of that search is the actual stream itself. Any link,

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01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: any link to Rumble. So now I have responses from

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: both Rumble and Google, and then we can get into this.

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01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: So Rumble told me that they said the first Republican

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: presidential debate was yet another example of Google's determination to

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01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: squash competing video platforms.

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Speaker 3: That's Rumble general counsel Michael Ellis quote in.

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Speaker 1: Its own words, Google uses search to highlight other major

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01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: election events, but chose not to offer the same feature

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Speaker 1: to rumbles live stream. We look forward to proving Google's

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Speaker 1: continued anti competitive conduct in court unquote. Now, Google meanwhile

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Speaker 1: told me that this was all just a miscommunication. The

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01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: quote from Google is people could easily find information about

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01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: where to watch the debate in Google Search results, and

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Speaker 1: as part of our ongoing effort to build dedicated features

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01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: in search to more prominently showcase events like debates, we

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: reached out to the r and C and Rumble, but

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01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: unfortunately it didn't come together in time to test and

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01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: create the live stream feature. We've already worked with the

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01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: RNC and Rumble to get this feature set up for

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01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: the next debate, as we would do with any live

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01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: stream provider Dominily. This is happening while Google is literally

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01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: facing like in trial currently because of this anti competitive

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01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: cind of this ish or anti competitive stuff. There was

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01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: an amazing moment, by the way, and we'll get back

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01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: to this yesterday in court where Google complained that the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice was putting up the public exhibits on

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01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: its website and asked that they stopped doing that, and

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01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: the judge said, yeah, you should stop doing that.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible.

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: And the DOJ said, We're so sorry. These are public exhibits.

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01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: We're so sorry. We're going to take them down. Google said, great,

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01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: take them down. A Bloomberg reporter tour credit stood up

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01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: in the gallery. It was like, hold on a second,

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01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: these are public. I want to I want at least

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01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: Google to have Bloomberg to have an opportunity to have

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01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: a lawyer here. And the judge said, okay, we'll do that. Still,

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01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: in the meantime, the department just.

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Speaker 3: Took them down. Pitiful.

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Speaker 1: You're supposed to be prosecuting these guys, you're just taking

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: public information off. So anyway, so Google's in the middle

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01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: of this and they know that this trial is coming

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01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: when they find out that Rumble is going to be

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01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: the exclusive partner here. Now the email chain is funny,

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: and it'll be up at an article I have at

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01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: the Intercept, not posting it here because I forgot to

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01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: redact all the names of the of the innocent, but

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01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 1: we'll do that over at the intercept. But so Google says,

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01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: send us a live link. And this is nine days

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01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: before the event, and so Rumble writes back, I want

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01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: to get some clarity on the ass. Can we get

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01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: on a call tomorrow or the day after Now, on

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: the one hand, there is nothing more annoying than somebody

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: who wants to take an email to a phone call.

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01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 3: A meeting and set up a meeting. Like the ask

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01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 3: is clear, just send us a link.

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Speaker 1: Now, in Rumble's defense, they don't have a live link

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01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: nine days before so. And then more official there told

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01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: me is that they're trying to figure out what do

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01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: you need, like technically speaking, like what do you need

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01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: from us so that nine days from now you can

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Speaker 1: feature this? And then they bump it the next day

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Speaker 1: and no reply from Google again, and then no more,

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01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: no further bumping from Rumble, and no further replying from

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01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: Google until the day of the debate, where Rumble doesn't

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: appear kind of in the search results. Now, Google does

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: not legally have a a requirement to promote a competitor's product,

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01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: like with the live you know red thing and like

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01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: above the search results, but organically they can't suppress like

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01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: the organic results can't suppress a competitor, and so they

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01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: would have to explain, well, why is why is YouTube

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: there in that videos portion? But and they would say, well,

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01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: those YouTube video creators did.

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Speaker 3: A good job of kind of putting in the right keywords.

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01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 3: Maybe it was Breaking Points and we put in the.

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01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: Right GOP debate kind of parameters that that like juiced

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: us in there and Rumble didn't. But I think the

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01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,919
Speaker 1: other I think I think that Google might be forgetting

1539
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: is that antitrust law is wildly up for grabs at

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01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,839
Speaker 1: this point. And if you get a Trump appointed lawyer

1541
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: and you have Rumble as the victim or complainant, better

1542
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: look out. You're gonna They're gonna side with Rumble.

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01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: Period.

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01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 4: Your video is fantastic.

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01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: Actually, speaking of YouTube, a bunch of you are probably

1546
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: watching this on YouTube, and you guys have probably noticed

1547
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: we post three or four clips from our show every day.

1548
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,799
Speaker 1: The rest of those go out either on the podcast,

1549
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: which you can get anywhere, or to premium subscribers. And

1550
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: so we want to thank all of the premium subscribers

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01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: who are going to Breakingpoints dot com and giving their

1552
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: hard earned money. My annual subscription re up the other day.

1553
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: It was kind of funny to see on my phone

1554
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: that I gave crystalin Sauger ninety dollars. What did I

1555
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: do that for? Oh, that's right, Yeah, I subscribe to

1556
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: their show. Because good.

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01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,520
Speaker 4: I like that you subscribed.

1558
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 5: So it's actually telling that Ryan's annual subscription just reupped

1559
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 5: because we're at a That's.

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01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 3: Right, it was when I came over.

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01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 4: Like mine was in June because I'm loyal. Ryan's was

1562
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 4: in September because he's It's tough.

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01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 3: It's in the media.

1564
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: It's tough because all of your friends have books and

1565
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: have and you will. You're not going to make it

1566
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: to the end of the month if you don't lie

1567
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: about supporting some of them.

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01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, but in all seriousness, we've been here part

1569
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 5: of the Breaking Twicks team.

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01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, supsac is another level.

1571
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 5: And then you add locals and Patreon and it's just

1572
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 5: it's simply too me.

1573
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, this is a high priority. Yes, that's why

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01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: I give it.

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01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: Why you should too.

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 5: This was basically a long winded way of saying, we

1577
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 5: know you have a lot of things to subscribe to,

1578
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 5: but we love, love, love everyone who has taken that

1579
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 5: extra step and subscribe to watch the full video on

1580
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 5: YouTube early, and then all of Crystal and Sager's great

1581
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 5: work is there too, so thank you. We appreciate it enormously.

1582
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 5: Make sure that you like and subscribe to the channel.

1583
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 5: Make sure that you subscribe on your podcast platform of choice,

1584
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,560
Speaker 5: and just if you want that premium content comes a

1585
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 5: little early, you get the full thing interrupted, full video, uninterrupted.

1586
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 4: We really appreciate that. It means the world to us

1587
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 4: and it helps us keep doing what we do.

1588
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: And we were talking yesterday about how the Pittsburgh Penguins

1589
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: are the only team that hand deliver season tickets to

1590
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: their fans that purchase them.

1591
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 3: We got to figure out a way to do that.

1592
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 4: But you want to do it, you don't want to

1593
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 4: do it, you want I would be happy to do it.

1594
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 4: You'd be good at that. Just Ryan Grimm shows up

1595
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 4: at your door unannounced with a link. Yeah, I don't know.

1596
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 5: We'll have to figure that out. We'll have to figure

1597
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 5: that out. We'll work on that. Well, the whole team

1598
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 5: will grab some beers, except for Sager because he's lame,

1599
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,480
Speaker 5: and we'll figure out how to get you those passcodes

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01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 5: to your door. But in the meantime, make sure to subscribe.

1601
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for watching, and have a great week.

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01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 3: See you next week,