WEBVTT - Featuring Anthony Ramos 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.800 Hey guys, and we are back. Welcome to season two 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.600 of Let's Be Real. I cannot believe that we are here. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.840 I am so happy. First of all, if you are new, welcome, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.960 and if you're returning, thank you so much for coming back. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.200 I am Sammy Jay And every Tuesday a new episode 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.560 is coming out. So for the first episode of season two, 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.079 I am so honored to say that Anthony Ramos is 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.960 my guest. I have been a fan of his music 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.160 and talent for a long time. We talk about so 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.280 many things, from the stigma around mental health for guys, 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.040 Hamilton's behind the scenes stories of course, the new album 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.160 he's working on, filming the movie in the Heights, how 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.239 he's actually creating a musical, and we talk about a 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.239 very special charity he works with that I'm so excited 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.519 for you guys to hear about. And finally, this was 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.400 recorded before the election, so that is why we did 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.120 not talk about it. I hope you enjoy the first 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.200 episode of season two. Anthony. I'm so excited to have 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.960 you on my podcast. You have no idea at Thanks 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.280 for having me, Sady come on. So actually I saw 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.679 you in concert in Brooklyn. One of the best concerts 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.040 I've been to. Genuinely one of the best. I think 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.440 one of the reasons why I love it because you 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.360 gave context before every song and you kind of explain 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.120 the lyrics and my actually have a learning difference and 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.520 it's auditory processing, so allowed me to understand the lyrics 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.399 and the music on an entirely different level. So I 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.160 think more artists should be doing that. Oh my gosh, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.160 you just made my whole day. We can end the 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.080 interview right now. Yeah, this is an amazing thing having me, Yo, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.520 that's so awesome. Man. I'm glad. Yo, I'm glad man 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.160 for real because I try to do that. I tried, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.080 you know. It's like because you go to so many shows, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.080 you're like, dang, I wish I could understand and the 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.720 context behind the song too. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.960 and like where did this song come from? And like 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.640 some songs are not personal, right, but like but but 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.920 when they are, like yo, I like I want to 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.200 know like who was that who was that person that 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.800 you were talking about in the first verse, or what's 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.080 uh when did that happen to you? You know, like moment, 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:04.800 like when was that time in your life? You know 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.840 how old were you, Like where were you? You know 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.560 what I'm saying, like that kind of thing, that kind 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.359 of just I don't know, it makes me feel more 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.400 connected to the song, you know, even as as the artist, 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:18.720 as an audience. Well, I also think that The Good 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.480 Bat is so brilliant because it's this It's like it's 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.720 kind of like a movie. It's the chapter of your 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.679 it's the chapter of your life that it's told so eloquently, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.919 and it's kind of like a show. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:31.760 you know, it's crazy. It is like when I was 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.680 writing all these songs and it's like they were all 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.520 like little movies in my head, you know, like you 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.480 could make it a movie. It's crazy. I started talking, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.240 I started thinking about it. I was thinking about how 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.640 to develop this as a as a as a film 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.680 or movie musical. You know, I don't know if we're 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.600 gonna do it, but it was like something I was like, dang, 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.079 this is a story here, Like like all we gotta 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.679 do is to put some dialogue in between, and we 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.000 got your story. Yeah yeah, imagine being like an animation. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.200 That would be so sick Yoh, but you know, it 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.919 was crazy, like even so even like um So from 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.959 East I think it's the fourth song on the album, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.960 and One More Hour is the third, and One More 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.280 Hour it was like about this, you know, these two 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.320 people who had this like long night and they were 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.799 hanging out all night and chilling right yeah, And then 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:17.520 at the end of the song, I was like, Yo, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.240 what if we had Because the next song was about 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.360 vacation I took with my fiance, my girl Jasmine. We 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.520 went to Puerto Rico, and I was like, what if 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.440 we had Like the piano at the end gets dreamy, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:30.799 It's like if you close your eyes you can hear this, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.320 So we put birds at the end. I was just 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.800 about to say those little those little things that you 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.080 put in it like sets it up for the next song, 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.400 so it flows so perfectly. That's dope. Yeah, I'm glad you. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.640 I'm glad you did it. Yo. Yeah. We gotta thought 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.160 about every moment. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can. That's 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.480 my favorite part about putting albums together to like, like, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.880 I love putting out singles, but my favorite part about 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.400 making music is like being able to put the whole 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.200 body and work together and really like piece the songs together, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.200 like all right, what goes where? Why does this go? Here. Oh, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.160 we we need an up temple here. We want to 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.040 feel pulse right here with you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.440 it's those little things that really make it all together 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.720 that a lot of people don't notice. Um. One of 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.320 my favorite songs is figure It Out, And there's a 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.120 line in it, um why am I pushing away with silence? 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.440 Has to say? And when I heard that, I was like, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.320 that is so powerful. So I was wondering how you 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.960 came up with that line. I was having a hard time, really, um, 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.800 really dealing with myself. You know, I was just really 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.760 having a hard time dealing with myself. And you know, uh, 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.880 I guess with myself and the silence too. You know, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.000 I think there's a thing that comes with being silent. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.520 And now we have phones, and now we have all 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.080 these things to distract us, right, And and I was 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.560 just kind of like down to I was feeling like depressed. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.520 I was like, damn, like why am I feeling like this? 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.000 And and and and I was just like, what is 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.680 like this recurring theme in my life that keeps happening 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.320 that I can't like I can't just like shut my 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.919 mind off. I don't know how to just sit quietly, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.919 like I'm always doing something. I'm always like I'm like working, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.640 or I'm talking on the phone, or I'm like texting somebody, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.520 I'm listening to music. I'm always like like on watching 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.280 something or you know, like it's like, so that was 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.919 where that lyric came from. You know, why am I 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.240 pushing away what silence has to say? You know? Why 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.160 do I push through the day like tomorrow is going 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.400 to figure it out? You know, like someone else to 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.520 figure it out. You think about even right now, like 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.480 you know, even now, when the world had to stop, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.200 and we're seeing this uh you know, like for example, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.160 Black Lives Matter been around for seven years, that actual 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.160 like the organization, I think, right it's becoming it's on 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.680 we're in the seventh year, coming on the seven year. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.600 But like this is this year feels like this crazy 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.279 like wave of you feel me but like in the 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.760 middle of a pandemic, when we're when we when we've 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.720 all had to stop, you know, and I think it's 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.840 like this thing when we stopped that the truth, the 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.440 truth makes its way to the surface and you can't 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.520 even and it's always been there, but because you know, 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.919 you can't, you can't can't avoid your your your brother, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.919 or your sister or your mommy, and that whoever you 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.640 quarantine with, right your significant other, you cannot ignore whatever 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:13.000 conversations y'all may have not had before your quarantine. We're 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:14.480 all in this house to be like you know what 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.880 I'm saying, Like, phone can only keep you busy for 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.480 so long during quarantine. Yeah, only so many. There's so 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.520 much TV you can watch, and and there's only so many, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.799 you know, times you can text somebody before you gotta 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:27.640 like look at that person and you're sitting across from 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.800 each other on the sofa, like, damn, we should really 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.880 talk about this, right. I also feel like with your music, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.680 you're also just you're there's this weird stigma that like 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.680 guys can like have feelings or be down or be 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.360 anxious or depressed. And I just think you, like you 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.600 word it so perfectly that it's so normal. But like 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.960 I'm curious, so why you don't think it's talked about enough? 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.120 I don't, you know, to be honest with you, I 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.880 don't know why. Um, there's this thing about like, there's 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:02.799 this thing about men. I think that we have sometimes 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.800 that when we feel weak, if we're vulnerable. You know, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:11.600 vulnerability equals weakness, right right, as opposed to you know, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.840 as opposed to UM, someone who you know it's not 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.720 afraid to be like, you know, I think it's like 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:22.200 we substitute sadness with anger. I think men mostly, you know, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.680 at least most of them, most of them and I've 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.320 met right and I know myself too, rite we substitute 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:31.440 sadness with anger. We're like, it's not it's like it's 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.400 always like I'm mad, I'm frustrated, but it's like most 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.640 of the time it's like I'm just sad because you 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.000 don't really you're not used to using that word because 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.880 it's kind of told you to like man up or 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.600 those kind of things, right, But that becomes a habit 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:49.520 you can't even identify when it's deeper than just being angry, 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.480 you know what I'm saying. And I think I think 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.280 that UM in turn cuts us off from actually being 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.840 able to connect with people because it's almost like so funny. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.600 I was like talking to my thea is about this 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.680 yesterday that was mad for She's like, you know, before 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.120 you make an assumption about what something is, maybe we 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.400 just start off with saying, like I feel like that, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:15.640 like this person is is saying something kind of like 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:20.120 not nice to me, or I feel like, um, this 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.520 doesn't seem right. I don't mean to go into like 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.520 a therapy session about it were her own words, critic 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.480 and you know what on this podcast, I'm like all 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.960 her therapy. There's like I've been going for years and 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:35.040 it's so underrated. Yeah, I think everybody should do it. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.320 If you can do it, you should do it. Please 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.320 like this, I agree. I mean I think of it 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.160 like people like you should work out your body, but 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.040 therapy is working out your mind. Like it's the same equivalent. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.120 You gotta have both though probably like I think it's 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:49.960 important for you to, you know, for us to be 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.360 in shape physically, but we have to. But like how 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.240 how are you how are we even going to progress 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.240 as artists if we ain't progressing right? And like how 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.440 are you going to continue right? Like like it's almost 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.560 like how how do we dig deeper? And what we 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.120 say as artists too, and what we talk about if 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.440 we aren't digging deeper like in our own like lives 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.920 internally you know what I'm saying, Like you know, like 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.560 it's it's like the more we dig right and like, look, 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.760 you can make a whole Like the first album could 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.480 be like this, this second album is is uh is 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.120 not as um uh personal per se like where like 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.120 every story leads into the next, right, but the second 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:33.080 album is still very much like story driven. Every song 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.200 is still story driven. But I wanted to add um 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.640 like I wanted this album and feel like I said, 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.720 I said to a friend of mine explaining to me, like, yeah, 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.360 what's the difference between the first album the second album? 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.440 I said. First album is like story Time, you know, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.840 pop up book. Second album is like the Nitro at 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.400 six Flags Great Adventure. Like I was like, we're still 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.880 we're going on a ride, you know, but it's like 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.199 by but there's like you know, there's there there all 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.679 these new small stories, but just with this adrenaline, this 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.800 pumping like pulse to this album that you know, I'm 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.600 excited about, but it's just like, you know, how do 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.200 we how do we dig inside and how do we 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.000 dig deep to find out? Like yo, like, because that's 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.000 how you explore. To more we dig and the more 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.440 we explore inward, the more I think, the more the 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.920 world starts to open up exactly because we get a 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.199 different perspective on things. Yeah, so I listened to Stop 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.480 and oh my goodness, it makes me happy, especially with 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.440 what's going on in the world. I just feel like 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.520 it kind of makes you take a moment and breathe, 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.440 being like, whoa, slow down and enjoy the moment. I 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.120 saw you in an interview and they were talking about 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:46.040 how you made a makeshift studio during quarantine and vocals 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.800 with the blanket? Was this that song? Yes? So that bridge? 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.640 So the whole bridge you know when you love somebody 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.840 in the moment, is you know that whole bridge? I 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.640 did underneath a quote like I had a I can't 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.920 I don't know what it is right now, but I 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.440 put that joint over my head right here, and I 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.840 had my life. This is my my vocal boofer here, 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.199 but I just cut my vocals in there and the 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.880 mic is and then this stuff and look at that. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.160 But it came out all right, and I'm glad. I 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:18.920 know it was this song because I was like, wait, 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.000 because I heard some vocals in there, was like, I 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:22.800 wonder if this is the one where he did under 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.280 a blanket. That would be pretty iconic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.120 it was that. Yeah, that song was homemade. What was 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.719 the process of writing it, you know, what was while 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.800 I was I was in l A for I was 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.240 in l A for two months writing, you know, and 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.920 just writing, writing every day most days, right like five 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.920 days a week or whatever. And this was the last 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.720 song that I was writing on this trip in l A. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.839 I think I wrote We wrote the song maybe Marsh 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.360 third or something like that or Marsh and I left 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.600 home back to New York on March fourth, and this 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.480 was before the shutdown. It was just about me how 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.320 I had problems just stopping in my life and how 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.720 I just was always felt like I've been running and 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.840 I'm always just like working on doing something, always always 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.800 need to be doing something. If I'm not doing anything, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.440 I'm like calling a friend to see if we can 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.400 hang out, Like I'm not just like I just just 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.600 don't know how to sit, you know what I'm saying 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.920 and just chill. And I was like, yeah, I need 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.439 to write a song about that. And then that's that's 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.200 how kind of lyrics came about. And I wrote the 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.920 song with some awesome writers. One of my boys Castle 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.640 who I went to college with, Joel and then Sean Douglas, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.520 Amy Watson, and Jesse shot cam roll and produced it 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.440 and were just in there and we were going back 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.480 to forth and it was just like, sometimes I wish 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.680 my life was like a photograph. Double tap the good 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.080 ones and just photoshop the bad put them in my wallet, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:42.839 in my pocket. If I need them, then I got them. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.000 But life don't work like that. Sometimes I feel like 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:46.920 I'm in Nike's on the track even when my feet 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.120 are my mind is running fast. When I'm home, I 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.160 getting patient when I'm going. I kind of hate it, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.800 but my life works like that. It's like sunsets and 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.760 open water sky's full of technicolor beauty right in front 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.520 of you, and so there's so much to discover if 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.640 you stop reading it for the moment, stop giving a minute, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.040 and you'll own it. Stop it's only just begun. Sooner 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.040 they'll be almost over. So just stop, you know, like 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.439 see what comes in the focus. Stop. It's kind of 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.199 crazy what you notice stops like a setting sun. Sooner 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.760 they'll be almost over, So stop, you know, And like 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.199 that's what the song was. It's like, you know, it's 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.000 like I'm looking through the window of a train. All 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.000 my visions blurry. What it's like looking through the window 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.280 of the train, but my vision is blurry, so it 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.880 all just looks the same. All the people in the places, 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.800 all the voices in the faces, they all just stare 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.040 right back, you know, long talks, cups of coffee, waking 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.800 up and saying sorry, love is right in front of you. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.600 We could finally see each other if we stop, you know, 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:36.800 like that's what the song is about. Like you know, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.160 like yo, like just see what happens if you like 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.040 do that for yourself, you know, and see what happens 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.680 and see when you do that, it helps me understand 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.040 the lyrics so much more because if you tell it 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.480 like a story, even though you're just saying the lyrics, 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.240 it's incredible. Yeah, no, thanks man, Yeah, I think that's 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.480 kind of like I always try to speak the lyrics always, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.920 like even before we finish every session, I'm like, let's 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.959 speak the lyrics. It's like, let's you know, say the 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.040 lyrics like a monologue list, because if we could say 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.360 it that way. One of my musical theater teachers taught 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.360 me that actually in college, Jeffrey Dunn God rests so woman. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.320 He was like, yo, let's speak. If you can speak, 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.959 let's do the monologue first, and then he used to 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:15.880 make us do this thing called the caveman, So we 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.600 used to only take like operative words. It'd be like, 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.880 you know, if it's like, uh, look window train vision 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:29.560 blurry saying uh, you know a vision blurry looks saying 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:35.760 people places, voices, faces stare back like like that, like 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.240 what are the you know, right, and then you just 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.000 fill them in with the with the other words that 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.120 just make the sense makes sense. Yeah, you know, let's 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.560 just put a bang and beat to it. You know. See, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.200 I've been so like I love Broadway, I love musical theater, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.920 and so just past years of junior in high school 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.080 and I decided to take musical theater as an elective. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.280 So fascinated. We learned all the history of Broadway and 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.360 like it's mind blowing how far it's come, but how 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.160 much it stayed the same too. Yeah, I think I 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:05.280 think there's an art right to musical theater that that is, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.640 uh that is so true to that like craft and 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.480 that specific like form of art right and and and 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.200 and and storytelling to like you know, there's nothing like 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.160 you know, people, it is a little ridiculous, right, that's 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:25.280 someone just burst out in the song, like but it's great. Yeah, 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:29.880 like yes, right, like, but there's a reason there's in context, 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:35.000 it's weird, but like there's something about theater, Like I've 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.720 grown up in New York, and it's just like there's 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.160 something about it that when people are like they don't 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.120 like Broadway, like, well, have you ever been to a show? 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.440 And they're like no, I'm like, see that's the issue. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.280 You can't just judge it off the soundtrack, right, you 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.200 gotta feel it, you gotta you gotta feel the pulse, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.360 you know. But I think there's that element right that 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.440 that you know, I try to take to my live 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.040 shows right, Like it's not a musical. But the reason 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.040 why I explained the lyrics to you before is it's 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.520 almost like this is the dialogue before exactly right, And 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.440 I won't do that all the time, like and like 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.400 and I'm you know, and I'm finding you know, I 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.600 think I think the trick and the goal is right 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.040 to like find more creative ways to just keep the 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.560 post flowing, like a show like Hamilton for example, like 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.720 the Way right, like Hamilton or Layman is right. These 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.880 shows only had music, but and the music just drove 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.400 the show the entire time, and like there was no dialogue, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.760 there were no scenes. It was just lyrics. It was 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.440 just lyrics and music. Hamilton has fifty songs in it 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.120 like that, you know, some some of one minute and 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.560 some are four minutes. Right, But like what's dope about 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.280 Broadway is like I think the more Broadway diversifies too, 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.920 and the more Broadway um opens his arms to people 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.920 of different races and coaches and color. Right, the nickname 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.960 for Broadway is a Great White Way. You know. It's like, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.880 you know, if you Puerto Rican and you grew up 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.480 in the projects and whatever, you ain't really it's very 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.720 easy to feel like your chances of working on the 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.560 Great White Way are very slim to none, you know. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.640 So it's like the more we I think, the more 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.320 Broadway opens its doors. And I think you know, Broadways 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.960 doing it, but I think there's a lot of there's 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.200 a lot more to do. Yeah, Like like I love 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.160 that even like Netflix just just um, I think bought 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.120 the rights to Once on This Island, Like that's one 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.880 of my home girls. But Jocelyn Jocelyn Bio is right 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.840 in the the book for it, which I'm so exorit 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.120 like that that we need to we have to like 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.640 open the doors for right, these musicals, like people can 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.280 see it that that's like like with Hamilton's on Disney Plus, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.240 because I feel like there's this um saying that, like 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.679 people are like, why should we make it like a 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.400 movie and put it online for streaming? It's not gonna 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.960 be the same experience. But then it's like, Okay, if 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.879 you listen to the Taylor Swift album, that doesn't mean 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.200 you don't want to see her in person, right, right, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.840 And like look at you look at even some of 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.439 these live shows right justin Timberlay got one on Netflix, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.840 and Beyonce he's got one up there, Taylor Swift that one. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.960 People people are streaming these shows. People are streaming these 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.320 live events right like they were live, they were taked 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.480 and you but but there's a way in cinema to 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.920 to to bring people in right, like something there's something 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.800 that is so special in cinema that like where you 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.640 can feel like you're there to speak to what you're saying. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.840 How like how people have connected to the movie so 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.520 much because folks like you're my director says something real good. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.040 He was like, you know, Anthony, everybody's got the same 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.880 seat now you guys got the same seat, nobody sitting 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:35.439 in the back, nobody sitting in the front, and like, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.920 there's no substitute for life a live event period, Like 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.879 I there's nothing that I want to do more right 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.240 now than play a live show. But at the same time, 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:51.040 we're able to create these experiences for people online, which 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.000 which is a dope. Second, and thank god for technology 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.879 that we can you know, do a whole set up 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.639 at the crib or whatever. You know, we set up 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.840 the drum said, and let's let's put on a show, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.760 like if you're forced to learn in quarantine. Yeah, I 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.720 didn't know how to use like logic or I didn't 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.080 know how to you know, I didn't know how you 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:10.959 have this stuff from my computer. Now I'm not going 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.240 here like okay, how you do this? Now you're a technician, 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.280 like you got trying. I mean, you know, like you know, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.240 I can get it done. Like that's all that matters. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.600