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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory presented by

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Speaker 2: Fox One. I'm Chandler Rome, joined by Josh Reddick. Tyler

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Speaker 2: Stafford is feeling better but got stuck in a longer

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Speaker 2: than usual meeting for his day job, so he'll join

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Speaker 2: us when he can. But we'll start this out just

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Speaker 2: me and Josh talking about something Josh knows pretty well.

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Speaker 1: The Gold Glove.

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Speaker 2: Finalists were announced on I believe What's Today Thursday, so

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Speaker 2: they were announced on Wednesday. The Ashers have two finalists,

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Speaker 2: Mauricio Dubon at the utility position, which at this point

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be that big of a surprise. Dubon, one of

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Speaker 2: the better versatile utility men in baseball, won the Utility

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Speaker 2: Gold Glove Award in twenty twenty three, so he'll be

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Speaker 2: trying for his second Gold Glove.

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Speaker 1: The other I think would have surprised.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have said this in March, but

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Speaker 2: I think as we watched Cam Smith evolved this season,

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Speaker 2: really turned himself into one of the best right fielders

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Speaker 2: in baseball, defensive right fielders in baseball, after never playing

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Speaker 2: the position at all prior to spring training. Josh that

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Speaker 2: that speaks to a camp Smith's just freakish athleticism and

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Speaker 2: natural ability, but also speaks to just kind of the

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Speaker 2: aptitude of a kid that was a lifelong third baseman,

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Speaker 2: played on the dirt for so long to transition and

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Speaker 2: to be a legitimate, you know, be considered now one

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Speaker 2: of the best defensive right fielders in baseball. What a

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Speaker 2: what a what a story and what an arc for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the main thing we look at.

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Speaker 4: It is just his peer athleticism, you know, to go

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Speaker 4: out there and just pick it up and run after

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Speaker 4: baseball's and you know, I'll probably be the first one

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Speaker 4: of the first people ever to say, like, obviously, right

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Speaker 4: field or any autre positions way easier than any spot

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Speaker 4: on the infield. You know, you used to have more

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Speaker 4: time to react. So it just gives him a little

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Speaker 4: bit more ways to show his athleticism because he is

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Speaker 4: extra what feels like four seconds probably to him to

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Speaker 4: react to a baseball and just shows how great he

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Speaker 4: isn't just going.

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Speaker 3: And getting it. When we talked about.

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Speaker 4: Him earlier, it was all about, well, how's his route's

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Speaker 4: going to be, Howard's route running he's going to be

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Speaker 4: And they have.

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Speaker 3: Been a plus since he got out there.

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Speaker 4: And the one thing I think I remember talking about

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Speaker 4: is probably figuring out how to get that release a

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Speaker 4: balls off the wall is something to kind of work on.

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Speaker 4: And something that I've always tried to teach people and

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Speaker 4: teach kids is you know, once it gets to that wall,

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Speaker 4: don't worry about that glove, get that ball and grab it.

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Speaker 3: And go let that let that arm do the work.

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Speaker 3: And he's got plenty of arm strength, he's just got

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Speaker 3: to learn to grab it.

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Speaker 4: With that bare hand and unleash the unleash the the cobra.

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Speaker 3: So he's got a pain that should be trailing somewhere

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Speaker 3: around there.

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Speaker 4: And you know, if whoever's at second basement, it'll be

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Speaker 3: Or dubon or wherever the cut.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you've got some pretty good guys in there that

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Speaker 4: can do some pretty good damage for you getting the

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Speaker 2: I think the thing about ham that really like that

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Speaker 2: showed itself throughout the seasons. Looked there were times when

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Speaker 2: he looked like a guy that had never played out

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Speaker 2: there just routes wise in terms of like the Reds

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Speaker 2: he should have taken a step forward.

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Speaker 1: The routes maybe weren't the best early in the season.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing you saw, Josh, he is so athletic,

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Speaker 2: and he's just got so much freakish natural athletic ability

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Speaker 2: or he has enough long levers to reach his arm

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Speaker 3: Yes, five, so he's got he's got some stretch on

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Speaker 5: But the way to be able to move at that

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Speaker 5: of a natural ass thing he is, because yeah, you

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Speaker 3: So having limbs that can stritch that far obviously help out.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you talk about I'm glad you mentioned that

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Speaker 4: because you talk about those step in instead of the

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Speaker 4: was a couple of times in Oakland. I was actually

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Speaker 3: And taking charge.

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Speaker 4: You know, he seems to get a little nervous out

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Speaker 3: He does great. Whoever's in the center, he kind of

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Speaker 4: Getting the initial read to break in on that ball

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Speaker 4: a fantastic effort, you know, you get in there and

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Speaker 3: An uncomfortable spot, and it's just going to be so

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Speaker 3: that plays.

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Speaker 2: Josh and I were talking before we hit record that

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Speaker 2: the the Gold Glove voting and that what matters in

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Speaker 2: Gold Glove voting and who gets the awards kind of

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Speaker 2: changes year to year and it's very it's not.

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Speaker 1: A very transparent or clear process.

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Speaker 2: Like cal Rale, he was a Platinum Glove catcher last

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Speaker 2: year and this year you know, has basically the same

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Speaker 2: You have guys that you look at their defensive metrics

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Speaker 2: and sometimes they're better defensive metrically than the guy that

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Speaker 2: wins the award, and there's not This isn't like the

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Speaker 2: BBWA Awards where you can see the ballots or public

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Speaker 2: and you know who voted for whom or right.

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Speaker 3: So there's no book how Glove voting goes.

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Speaker 1: Right, So that being said, anything can happen.

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Speaker 2: But if we're looking at this just pretty straight up,

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Speaker 2: you know, a Dooley Scarcia, who is one of the

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Speaker 2: Adoli Scarcia's defensive numbers are far and away better than

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Speaker 2: both of them. It should be a Doley Scarcia's award

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Speaker 2: to lose, but again, you never know with how the

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Speaker 2: I would consider it Oly Scarcia probably.

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Speaker 1: The favorite to win the award.

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Speaker 2: In right field, but that takes nothing away from from

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Speaker 2: Cam Smith even being you know, one of the three

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Speaker 2: his first year in right field. But the fact that

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Speaker 2: he got the recognition kind of led me to start

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Speaker 2: thinking about guys that, you know, young guys on the

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Speaker 2: obviously Cam Smith is is top that list. You know,

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Speaker 2: you saw the flashes of potential that Cam showed this

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Speaker 1: He was hitting that well. He was hitting that well.

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Speaker 2: You know, the played discipline was was good, the approach looked,

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Speaker 2: his playing time dwindled to I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: he wasn't an he was not an everyday player, but

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Speaker 2: duties dwindled, Josh, as you look at Cam's we just

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Speaker 4: The biggest thing I'm looking at is just, you know,

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Speaker 3: I know it's excuse me, I know it's.

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Speaker 4: Repetitive, but when we talk about Cam Smith, it's it's

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Speaker 4: got to be longevity obviously. You know, he hasn't played

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Speaker 3: Of calm down if you need to.

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Speaker 4: But there's just there's ways where he needs to find

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Speaker 4: Two is I'm watching a lot of video. You know,

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Speaker 4: you know, the whole off season. I'm trying to figure

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Speaker 4: to improve in those points. Because like you just said,

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Speaker 4: the pictures adjust to him. You got to learn to adjust.

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Speaker 4: We always hear about game of adjustice, game of adjustice,

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Speaker 4: but it is you gotta remember, you gotta find ways

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Speaker 3: His next move.

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Speaker 4: And you just got to stay ahead of every picture

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Speaker 4: you can and have a plan, you know, stick there.

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Speaker 3: To have that plan.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully he's got his day to day routine figured out

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Speaker 4: by nowce he shows up to the park, he knows

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Speaker 4: what he's doing at certain times without even having to

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Speaker 3: It just becomes natural.

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Speaker 4: So just that, you know, just adapting to the lifestyle

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's tough. It's not just the games.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the travel. You know, people don't realize it's not.

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Speaker 4: Just the night the ninth inning's over at home, all right,

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Speaker 3: Hey, I did it with two week old twins in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Josh, you brought something up before we

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, I know for a fact there

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Speaker 2: You gotta it's a hall to drive home, So it

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Speaker 6: And oh they're having sleepovers. That's adorable.

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Speaker 4: Like a couple of years we would be allowed to

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Speaker 6: Sep in your locker. What does that mean? Like a

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Speaker 2: Would be petrified to sleep at the Opland Coliseum there.

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Speaker 6: Well we might have been the only human, but there

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Speaker 6: At the coliseum, you were always near the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that you really played with You played with

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Speaker 2: We talked about one young outfielder in the previous segment

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Speaker 2: you watched him the last month of the season obviously

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Speaker 2: was on an unreal heater, was the hottest hitter in

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Speaker 2: the organization called him up and he kept that going

443
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Speaker 2: down the stretch. What would you like to see from him,

444
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Speaker 2: just from as the sample size grows and as he

445
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Speaker 2: comes into spring training with a real shot to contribute

446
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Speaker 2: to this team in twenty twenty six.

447
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the strikeout's got to be cut down.

448
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Speaker 4: I mean, it was obviously a game of homer strikeout.

449
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Speaker 4: There were a lot of strikeouts. I remember zat Cole

450
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Speaker 4: when he stepped into the box. But when he hits

451
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Speaker 4: the ball, he hits the h's a hard and that's

452
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Speaker 4: that's a good sign that he can find the bar.

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Speaker 3: I mean, first pitch he saw in the big leagues.

454
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Speaker 3: He was with one thirteen off the bat or something, just.

455
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Speaker 4: An absolute rocket of a home run. So the potential

456
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 4: is there to hit big league pitching. He just got to,

457
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Speaker 4: you know, cut down those big swing and misses. There's

458
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Speaker 4: there's too many guys like that in baseball as it is,

459
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Speaker 4: and he's just got to do something to make himself

460
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Speaker 4: stand down in that ball club because they're not going

461
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Speaker 4: to need him to be that middle of the lineup

462
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Speaker 4: State or that they needed at the end of this year.

463
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Speaker 4: They're going to need him to kind of solidify prob

464
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Speaker 4: the bottom of that lineup if he's going to be

465
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Speaker 4: talked about it all.

466
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Speaker 3: But I think more contact has to be something he

467
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Speaker 3: focuses on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So last season he put uh twenty seven balls

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Speaker 6: in play, and there were only fifty seven hitters in

470
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Speaker 6: Major League Baseball last year that hit a ball harder

471
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Speaker 6: than the hardest ball that Zach Cole hit in twenty

472
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Speaker 6: seven tries that power plays like that. That's a that

473
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Speaker 6: is a statistic stick that you can project and you

474
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Speaker 6: can say, all right, if he can hit a ball

475
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Speaker 6: that hard, that is a skill that he has. Like

476
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Speaker 6: sometimes there are soft skills, right of you know, oh

477
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Speaker 6: he's a good defender. You know, maybe this will play

478
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Speaker 6: at the next level, or he's got a really good eye,

479
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Speaker 6: or you know those types of things, like those things

480
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Speaker 6: can ebb and flow. How hard you can hit a

481
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Speaker 6: baseball is just a thing that is innate about you,

482
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Speaker 6: and he can hit a ball really, really hard. And

483
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Speaker 6: so yeah, there are going to be a million things

484
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Speaker 6: that he's gonna have to fix. I mean, one, pitchers

485
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Speaker 6: are actually going to plan to pitch to him, which

486
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Speaker 6: I doubt they spent too much time worrying about in

487
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Speaker 6: his brief appearances this year. They're going to come in

488
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Speaker 6: with an actual plan. They're probably going to see the

489
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Speaker 6: highlights of his home runs and say, maybe we don't

490
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Speaker 6: want to throw fastballs at the top of the zone

491
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Speaker 6: because it seems like he likes to tomahawk those four hundred.

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Speaker 1: And fifty feet.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we avoid those for the time being. But still,

494
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Speaker 6: the ability to hit a ball that hard is something

495
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Speaker 6: that carries over and is something that you can look

496
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Speaker 6: to and be excited about. So I mean, look like

497
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Speaker 6: I said, only your don and actually Hazu Sanchez had

498
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Speaker 6: one at the very end of the year, a little

499
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Speaker 6: bit harder but literally nobody else on the Astros hit

500
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Speaker 6: a ball harder than Zach Cole in twenty seven tries.

501
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Speaker 6: I mean that's something to get excited about for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

503
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's on the forty man roster now,

504
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Speaker 2: so barring some trade this winter, you know, he's going

505
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: to come to camp. He's going to come to big

506
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: league spring training, which he was not in last year.

507
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Speaker 2: I think we should all remind ourselves this kid was

508
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 2: not in big league camp last year. That's how meteoric

509
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 2: his rise has been. But you know, I think he's

510
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Speaker 2: got a lot to prove that. You know, it just

511
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: wasn't a three week heater that the Astros capitalized on it.

512
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Speaker 2: I think he's got a lot to prove coming in

513
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Speaker 2: that he is a more well rounded hitter than Josh

514
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, and you mentioned correctly, strikeouts are homers

515
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: and look that can play like like that that in

516
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: modern baseball, that that can be a good set of

517
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: skills to have. But if you if you get on

518
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: base a little bit, you know, especially for this team,

519
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: one that did not get on base at the clip

520
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Speaker 2: that wanted to last year, one that you know, struck

521
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Speaker 2: out too much, that chased too much. You know, he

522
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Speaker 2: needs to be a little more of a well rounded

523
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Speaker 2: offensive player. And to be honest, I don't know if

524
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Speaker 2: we saw that. I don't know if we were given

525
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to see that, because a the sample size

526
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Speaker 2: is so small, you can only you can only see

527
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Speaker 2: so much, you know, in three weeks in the big

528
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Speaker 2: leagues and b Tyler, like you said, I mean, this

529
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Speaker 2: kid came up in such a pressure packed environment and

530
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Speaker 2: pitchers didn't know who he was. I mean, pitchers had

531
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Speaker 2: somewhat of a scouting report on him.

532
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right.

533
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: They probably looked at the Brave Series and we're like, oh, wait,

534
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: all they threw this kid was fastballs, and he destroyed them.

535
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: So let's just spin into death.

536
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: Let's give him some breaking balls. Let's give him some

537
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Speaker 2: stuff out of the zone. We know he'll chase, and

538
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: that's what happened. So he's gonna have to prove that

539
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: he is a little bit more of a well rounded player.

540
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Speaker 2: But look, they love the defense. They think he is

541
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: a natural center fielder. Obviously hitting from the left side.

542
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Speaker 2: His balance that this team did not have last year

543
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Speaker 2: that he could certainly afford, which helps his segue into

544
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Speaker 2: maybe another guy that he could be in competition with

545
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Speaker 2: or that maybe you know, the Astros this winter have

546
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Speaker 2: to choose between and that's you know, Jacob Melton or

547
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Speaker 2: Zach Cole. I think they have a lot of similar

548
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Speaker 2: I think they have a lot of similar attributes. They

549
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: both hit left handed, They're both very very good defensive outfielders.

550
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Speaker 2: They both can run like Gazell's, they both have very

551
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: good sprint speeds, and both of them, you know, I

552
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Speaker 2: think certainly Zach Coley see the power more than you

553
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: see from Jacob Melton. You have seen Jacob Melton, you know,

554
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: at the big league level though work some better at bats,

555
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: work some better played appearances. I do know, just within

556
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Speaker 2: the organization, you know, they do like Cole's approach a

557
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: little bit more than Melton's for no other reason than

558
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: they believe Zach Cole has a pretty defined plan and

559
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: approach and in some cases that can get away from

560
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Speaker 2: Jacob Melton. So I think both obviously again barning a

561
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: trade this winter. I think both of them are going

562
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Speaker 2: to come to camp with a legitimate shot of impacting

563
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: this team. But as you look at Jacob Melton specifically, Josh,

564
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Speaker 2: what do you think what do you think is the

565
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: next step for him? We saw a little bit more

566
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Speaker 2: of him at the at the big league level obviously

567
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: than we did from Cole. But what is the next

568
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Speaker 2: step for Jacob Melton in twenty twenty six.

569
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Speaker 4: I think you think you nailed it just talking about

570
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Speaker 4: his approach, making him something stick when he has a plan,

571
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: and then not get away from that, like like you mentioned.

572
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: But I think if something's gonna have to work, he's

573
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 4: got to get some some power numbers. And I think

574
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Speaker 4: that's the one thing that Zach Cole has over him

575
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: and in this this battle is the power numbers.

576
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Speaker 3: And this is such a power driven game.

577
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: Now, it's it's gonna take him maybe hitting not as

578
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 4: many homers, but just driving that ball and stretching out

579
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: a few more doubles because Zach Cole's gonna hit his

580
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 4: home runs. But it's it's gonna be fun to watch

581
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: because I feel like these guys are gonna have at

582
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: least he the seventy five at bats in spring training.

583
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Speaker 4: It's going to be a good old fashion and I

584
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: think the spring training battle between these two guys and

585
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: see who works better at it. Obviously getting more of

586
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: bats for them will be way beneficial for especially like

587
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: a guy gets like Cole because he's got so far

588
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: to go, we could to get to face in the

589
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: big league pitching. But for Jacob Milton, obviously, I think

590
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: the extra base hits have to be more common for

591
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: him and just sticking to that plan and not just

592
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: not chasing.

593
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: They both need to work on not chasing. But you know,

594
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: when I'm.

595
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: Looking at Jacob Melton, now I need I need more powers.

596
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 6: Just my point, does anybody want to take a guess

597
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 6: at what Jacob Melton's average lawn chingle was last year?

598
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: I believe it was more negative.

599
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 6: Negative five point seven. Nope, that's not what you want.

600
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: That's nowhere close to good.

601
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 6: Guys, that's that's real bad.

602
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

603
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to be in the like fifteen to

604
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 6: twenty ish. You know, you want to hit line drives

605
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 6: right like, that's that's what you're trying to get off

606
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 6: the bat. You certainly want it to just go not

607
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 6: in the dirt on average, which is what happened. So

608
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 6: look again, the row Hower is there. He he had

609
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: a max exit velocity of one to eleven point three.

610
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 6: That is more than reasonable for a major league hitter.

611
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: For context, that's harder than any ball. Jose Altuve hit

612
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 6: last year, harder than any ball Jeremy Pania hit last year.

613
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 6: Victor Karantini Like, he can hit the ball hard, but

614
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 6: if he's hitting the ball really hard directly into the

615
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 6: grass in front of home plate, you don't get to

616
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 6: use the speed. And I mean, I would imagine as

617
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 6: we talked about, Look, Jacob Melton has had success because

618
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Speaker 6: he's so fast that I would imagine for most of

619
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Speaker 6: his career, every coach he's had is like, just hit

620
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Speaker 6: the ball somewhere, and you're so fast, if you're hitting

621
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Speaker 6: it hard anywhere in the field, you're probably gonna be fine.

622
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 6: And that probably has worked for him for most of

623
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Speaker 6: his career. That's not going to cut it at the

624
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Speaker 6: big league level.

625
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: Like, you have to get.

626
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 6: The ball in the air consistently. Now, again, we don't

627
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 6: want him swinging for the fences. That's not what you're

628
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 6: asking for, but you do have to change that plane

629
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 6: of approach of look, instead of just trying to touch

630
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 6: it somewhere and run out a base hit you you're

631
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Speaker 6: not gonna be able to do that consistently at the

632
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 6: big league level. But there are raw numbers in there

633
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 6: for him to get excited about. Again, if you can

634
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 6: hit it that hard, you know, if we can work

635
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 6: on how you're hitting it that hard and the angle

636
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 6: that you're doing it. So I would imagine that that

637
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 6: is the major point of emphasis for him, because again,

638
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 6: if he's just hitting line drives consistently, he's gonna be

639
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 6: a good big league hitter even with the strikeouts, because

640
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 6: at least when you put the ball in play, you

641
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 6: are really fast and you know you're making hard contact,

642
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 6: you're gonna be able to stretch singles into doubles that

643
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 6: a lot of people aren't going to be able to do.

644
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 6: Your numbers, Your numbers will be there, but you can't

645
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 6: hit the ball negative launch angle and be a successful

646
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 6: big lead here.

647
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: I'll give Jacob Melton this last in twenty twenty four,

648
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: so not this past season, but two seasons ago in

649
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: the minor leagues, he had a forty nine point three

650
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: percent ground ball rate.

651
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: Which is way too high.

652
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: It's obviously not the eighty point five percent ground ball

653
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: rate he had in the big leagues this year, but

654
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: so he went from forty nine point three percent ground

655
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: ball rate two years ago in the minor leagues to

656
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: last season in the minor leagues, his ground ball rate

657
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: was thirty eight and a half percent, So he obviously

658
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: did something between twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five

659
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: to lower the ground ball rate in the minor leagues.

660
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Now, Josh, you know this better than anybody.

661
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: You can do anything you want against minor league pitching

662
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: in the Triple A level and obviously playing in the

663
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: PCL where the environment is more conducive to to you know,

664
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 2: line drives things like that, but making that transition from

665
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: doing that in the minor leagues the major leagues, it's

666
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: a completely different story. So that should give it lead

667
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: some hope that it's in there that he found something

668
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: with his swing to be able to lessen the ground

669
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: ball rate that much. Already, he's got to find a

670
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: way to do that coming into spring training this year

671
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: because as you look at this outfield, I don't think

672
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us believe, Hey, sus Sanchez

673
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: will be around in an Astro's uniform in twenty twenty six.

674
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: You know there's a chance that do they capitalize on

675
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: Jake Myers's trade value. His trade value has probably never

676
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: been higher. He's got another year, team control, do they

677
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: think about maybe putting him in a trade. There's some

678
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: and then you don't know what they're doing in left field.

679
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: They haven't decided maybe how much al Tuove is gonna

680
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: play out there.

681
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Alvarez they need some sort of backup behind them.

682
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: There's outfield spots to be won, and there's certainly you know,

683
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: I think how much faith they have in those two

684
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: guys Cole and Melton may go toward what they do

685
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: this winner. You know, I think, hey, Susanchez is probably

686
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 2: not long for this roster no matter what. But you know,

687
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: you look at Jake Myers, you know, do they think

688
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: they've gotten the most out of him and do they

689
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: think they can replace that with a cheaper, more cost

690
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: controlled alternative and guys that you know, have similar skill sets,

691
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: Because what do we talk about with Jake Myers. He's

692
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: a great defensive outfielder, probably one of the better defensive

693
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: center fielders in baseball, runs like a gazelle, like one

694
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: of the fastest guys on the team, but he's always

695
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: kind of struggled to put it together offensively. It seems

696
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: like we're talking about That's who we just talked about.

697
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Zach Cole and Jacob Meltain. They're the same sort of

698
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: skill set. They just hit from the other side of

699
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: the plate. So these guys are going to have chances

700
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 2: to contribute to the twenty twenty six Ashers if they

701
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: can find a way to take that next step. We'll

702
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,600
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Speaker 2: Josh, we've talked a lot about, obviously the injuries and

722
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: the attrition that have hit the pitching staff, and that

723
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: hit the pitching staff this year. I don't think it

724
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: affected anyone worse than Spencer Araghetti, who was kind of

725
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: on the precipice of, you know, maybe taking that next

726
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: step this year because we saw so much good in

727
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four from Araghetty as a rookie obviously through

728
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty innings in the big leagues

729
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: in the second half, showed that he could be a

730
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: really vital part of the rotation. And this year injuries,

731
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: both most of which were out of his control, just

732
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: really really hampered him. And we've talked about how they're

733
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: going to go into next year. Are they going into

734
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 2: this spring training with two guys penciled into their rotation

735
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: that's Christian Xavier and Hunter Brown. The only reason you're

736
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: not penciling Spencer Araghedty is because he ended the season

737
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: on the injured list with an elbow problem. Sounds like

738
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: he will not need surgery at least that was what

739
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: he told us toward the end of the year, was

740
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: that surgery was not something they were going to consider.

741
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: But again, they the Astros have been bitten by waiting

742
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: for guys to rehab and come back.

743
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: From elbow injuries and it hasn't worked.

744
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: What Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, but I wonder just how

745
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: much of it for Araghetty is just health, just staying

746
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: healthy for the entire twenty twenty six season, or were

747
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: there things because look, let's not let's not forget what

748
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: we did see from him in the thirty five and

749
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: the third innings he threw this year.

750
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: It was an er close to six.

751
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: It was you know, walking almost six guys per nine innings.

752
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: It was not what you were accustomed to seeing from

753
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: him as a rookie. Where does Spencer Araghetty need to

754
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: take that.

755
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Next step to.

756
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: Be to solidify a spot in the rotation and to

757
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: solidify him as a guy they can turn to every

758
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: fifth day.

759
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: They're right by my windows.

760
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna move, Yeah, I would say, when I look

761
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 6: at Araghetty season this year, I I really only consider

762
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 6: two starts to be indicative of who he is. I

763
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 6: mean when he came back. I mean you mentioned his era,

764
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 6: but a lot of that is just from his first

765
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 6: start back, where he gave up eleven hits and three

766
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 6: and two thirds, you know, I mean his first start

767
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 6: of the year when he came out six innings, one hit,

768
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 6: one run. That'll play. So I don't know. I mean

769
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 6: for for Arigatty, for this year, I think you just

770
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 6: chalk it up too. This was a weird year with injuries,

771
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 6: and you just hope that he can rehab over the

772
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 6: off season and come back ready to go. I wouldn't

773
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 6: I wouldn't dig too much into the numbers this year

774
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 6: as far as results go, just because he was, you know,

775
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 6: still rehabbing coming back, and they tried to bring him

776
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 6: back as quickly as possible, obviously because they desperately needed him.

777
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 6: You know, if they had five guys in the rotation,

778
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 6: he could have had a lot more time to rehab

779
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 6: and really get back into the swing of things, but

780
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 6: they needed him back as quickly as possible. And again,

781
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 6: I mean, he broke the thumb on his throwing hand,

782
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 6: like that's that's difficult to get your feel back for

783
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 6: pitching when you when you do that.

784
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sorry about that, guys. Yeah, I think it

785
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: does always.

786
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 4: I think it just obviously sticks to health. Everything becomes

787
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 4: health based at this point for him because he has

788
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: shown success at this level. He's shown what he's capable of,

789
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 4: and it's just a matter of time, hopefully before he

790
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: gets back to that. But I love how Tyler mentioned,

791
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: you know, the broken thumb. You know, it's just because

792
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 4: it heals, doesn't mean everything feels the same. You got

793
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 4: to find a different way to grip the ball if

794
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: it doesn't feel right, and that could be affecting of

795
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: you know, an elbow being sore because you've been throwing

796
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: a baseball the same way for so long, your body

797
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: grows to that and now you move your thumb over

798
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: two centimeters and it completely changes every tenant and you know,

799
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: lig him in your elbow, in your arm. So these

800
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: things have long term effects. So hopefully that's something he

801
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 4: can figure out this all season and work out, because

802
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: like you said, he came back way too quick when

803
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 4: a team that needed him to come back too quick.

804
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: But hopefully this is something he can stay healthy with

805
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: and probably build some strength up through spring training and

806
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: be ready to go.

807
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: And the weird thing about Eric Getty is like he

808
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: was one of the ones, or he's been one of

809
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: the many that have added a sinker to his repertoire.

810
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: And he talked about that in spring training, about how

811
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: much that was going to help him, you know, maybe

812
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: help his fastball because his force seemer did not perform

813
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: well in twenty twenty four, was really statistically one of

814
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: the worst performing forcing fastballs in baseball. And he added

815
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: the sinker just to help that out and to help

816
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: all of his other pitches out. You never really got

817
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: to see him become that introduce that new pitch and

818
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: introduce that new art just because we didn't see him

819
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: pitch aiton. So I think that's going to help. You know,

820
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: you look at when you look at the two pitches

821
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: that probably performed, you know, less ideal than he would

822
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: have liked. You know, he had a he had a

823
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: really good cutter. In twenty twenty four, I had a

824
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: run value of five, and then this year had a

825
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: run value of negative three. His curveball also had a

826
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: run value of negative three this year, after having a

827
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: run value of three and twenty twenty four. So sometimes

828
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: it's as simple as just you know, getting your secondary

829
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: stuff better. Sometimes it's you know, tinkering a little bit

830
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: in the arsenal. Sometimes it's just yeah, you mentioned stay healthy,

831
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: like like, don't let a batting practice fly ball hit

832
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: you in the thumb. And I'm not blaming Spencer Araghetti

833
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: for that, but it's just it was a it was

834
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: a tough break, just a tough break and so but

835
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: at the same time, just like you didn't want to hear,

836
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: and I think fans were unanimous in this.

837
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: Fans didn't want to hear.

838
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Aspata and Dana Brown go up on

839
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: the podium and say, oh, all this seasonal was all injuries.

840
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: You know, we'll be back better than ever, and it's

841
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: just an injury problem. Like no, like Spencer arightty, there's

842
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: some stuff he can do to certainly make himself into

843
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: that bona fide rotation piece at the ashers need, but

844
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: they certainly need him to be one of those guys

845
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: that takes the next step.

846
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious.

847
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: We've talked about Melton Cole, talked about Cam Smith and Arraghetty.

848
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: Is there another guy between the two of you that

849
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: you guys can think of a younger guy that maybe

850
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: we didn't see much of this year, or maybe we

851
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: didn't see at all, that maybe needs to you guys

852
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: think can take that next step going into next year

853
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: to make himself a viable piece of the major league

854
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: team or to put him on the precipice of helping

855
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: the major league team.

856
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want AJ Blueball to prove to me that

857
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 6: he's not a starter. I want to go in with

858
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 6: the expectation that he can. I still, I know whatever

859
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 6: secret people you're talking to Chandler don't believe in it.

860
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 6: I don't understand. It looks like a starter to me.

861
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 6: And when you have a team with two and a

862
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 6: half starting pitchers currently on your roster, I would go

863
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 6: in with the assumption that AJ blue Ball is going

864
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 6: to be in the rotation until he proves to me

865
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 6: that he can't, and really only if somebody else takes

866
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 6: the spot from him. Like, to me, AJ Blueball is

867
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 6: your number four starter. Like that's what you're going into

868
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 6: the season with right now, the way that your roster

869
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 6: is constructed, you said you can pencil in two guys.

870
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: I mean there's one an invisible ink, right now uh,

871
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 6: you know, waiting for free agency hopefully uh to come in.

872
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 6: But you know, with rag Getty, I think you certainly

873
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 6: are going.

874
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: To older, older gentleman.

875
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 6: Around mm hmm yeah.

876
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

877
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 6: You know, to me, like blue Ball has a rotation

878
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 6: spot to lose again if he comes into camp and

879
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 6: it's clear that there's other people ready.

880
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: To do that.

881
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 6: But I would spend this entire off season prepping him

882
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: to be a starting pitcher and then obviously helped me

883
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 6: out Chandler. I always getting nervous.

884
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: Miguel, Miguel Yola Yo.

885
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 6: I don't know why that is so hard for me

886
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 6: to say. I know what it is, but I can't

887
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 6: get it out. Two throws, one hundred. Let's see what happens,

888
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 6: you know, Uh yeah again, just just see. I don't know.

889
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 6: He throws really hard. Seems like he had success in

890
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 6: the minors. He's ready, you know. I mean, there's nobody

891
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 6: blocking him anymore. There's four guys that are recovering from

892
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 6: Tommy John that would be blocking him. He's gonna have

893
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 6: all the runway to do it. So those are the

894
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 6: two names that I'm looking at in the in the

895
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 6: Astros system current.

896
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 4: I was going to go with blue ball as well.

897
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 4: You've covered everything that could be covered about this guy.

898
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know why starting for them before,

899
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: but this is definitely something he should be built up

900
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: and ready to go for it.

901
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: And come to spring training like, look, kid, I might

902
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: even give him the first game of the year. He's

903
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: you know, scared.

904
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 4: Let him go out there and go the first game

905
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: of spring training and get the two innings three innings

906
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: work and see what happens. And I think I completely agree,

907
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 4: go all spring training, let him build up just like

908
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: a starter. And heck, at this point he's been so.

909
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: Good he could even be your number three right now

910
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: that that invisible.

911
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 4: Ink ever does show up for this team, and whatever

912
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 4: other move they may make barring trade, but I agree

913
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: this this guy is poisoned ready to be in this rotation.

914
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: And until he's proven not ready and can't get done,

915
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: then I'm throwing his butt in there.

916
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 6: I just I don't know, Like I am aware that

918
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 6: I am not a scout or a coach, but I

919
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 6: just don't understand and what I am seeing differently or

920
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 6: the hesitation. It's not like he's twenty and he's a

921
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 6: high school pitcher and they're trying to predicate he's twenty

922
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 6: five years old, Like just let him start. What are

923
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 6: we doing? You know, like he's he looked good. See

924
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 6: what happens.

925
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: And I mean, again, as I reiterated on the last one,

926
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: like or the last time we talked about this, like

927
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: just because like internally they view him maybe more as

928
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: a reliever, Like they're going he's going to have the

929
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: opportunity to start, Like they're going to bring him to

930
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: spring training, because like I've said, it's easier to stretch

931
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: a guy out and then put him in the bullpen,

932
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: then bring him to spring training. Don't stretch him out

933
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: and then like, oh crap, we need a starter in May,

934
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: Like how we're going to stretch his kid out. So again,

935
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: you don't want to get so enamored with small sample sizes.

936
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: We were talking about the same thing with Zach Cole.

937
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: I mean AJ blue ball through thirty two big league innings.

938
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: They were great, they were very good big league innings.

939
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: But I think let's also think about how they approached

940
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: these innings. Like he made two traditional starts total. One

941
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: was his debut, which was a spot start, and then

942
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: the other one was in that game that last game,

943
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: the game they got eliminated in Anaheim, when obviously there

944
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: was a ton on the line going into that game,

945
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: but they didn't really have any other options, and I

946
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: think everyone kind of saw the writing on the wall

947
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: going into that game as well that it was going

948
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: to take a miracle. Every other appearance for aj Blueball

949
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: was they used an opener in front of him to

950
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: kick the third time through the order penalty down the

951
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: road because they did not trust him to get through

952
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: an order more than once. Really like it a lot

953
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: of times. It's not about like looking at the stats

954
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: and looking at the pitch metrics and things. It's more

955
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: about like actions speak louder than the stats.

956
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: And like the.

957
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: Fact that this kid was pitching as well as he

958
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: did but could only get two traditional starts within a

959
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: rotation that needed as much starting pitching help as it

960
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: could kind of demonstrates to you, you know, where they

961
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: thought of him. Now that being said, he's allowed to

962
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: get better, The secondaries are allowed to get better. He's

963
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: allowed to improve this offseason, and like I said, he

964
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: is going to come into spring training with every opportunity

965
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: to be a starting pitcher, like they are going to

966
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: bring him in and he's going to be stretched out

967
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: and it is going to be no Josh Like I

968
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: like that idea, Like let him pitch the first group

969
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Fruit League game. Let him like it's opening day in quotes,

970
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: but like, let him get the opening day start, Like

971
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: put him out there, see how it, see how it goes.

972
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: Like I'm I love that idea. And then you know,

973
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: Miguel Yoa is.

974
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: Probably a lot more of a reliever risk than anything,

975
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: just because of the command. The command is he walks

976
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: too many guys, He sprays the ball around. They were

977
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: talking about late in the year, you know, bringing him

978
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: up in a bullpen roll. But they were honestly just

979
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: worried that he wasn't gona throw enough strikes, and that

980
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: was the one thing that they needed. They needed to

981
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 2: get Isaac at their strikes. They already had some walk

982
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: problems in their bullpen. They did not want to risk,

983
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, not only you know, the guy being nervous

984
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: as hell make his big league debut, but also not

985
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: being able to be around the strike zone.

986
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: I think you know, they have they also.

987
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: Have a big decision on Miguelioa this coming winter too.

988
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't realize they left

989
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: him unprotected from the Rule.

990
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: Five draft last year.

991
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: Now he skirted through, didn't no team picked him, but

992
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: he was so good again this year. I think they're

993
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: gonna have a tough time riding through the Rule five

994
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: draft and not putting him on the forty man roster.

995
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: So that's another decision.

996
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: That they have.

997
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: But I agree both of you guys.

998
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: I think both of those two pitchers are guys that

999
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: the ashers need to see take another step.

1000
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 6: Can I give you? Can I give you a quick

1001
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 6: AJ blue Ball stat?

1002
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: Sure?

1003
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 6: So, he allowed seventy eight balls in play last season.

1004
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 6: I have the major league leaders sorted by batting average allowed.

1005
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 6: Where would you guess AJ blue Ball ranks among all

1006
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 6: pittures with those parameters, you know, having given up seventy

1007
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 6: eight balls and play batting average wise, where do you

1008
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 6: think he ranks among all big league pitchers twenty fifteen

1009
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 6: sixth he had the sixth lowest batting average allowed of

1010
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 6: all major league pitchers who had the same number of

1011
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 6: chances to give up hits as he did. I don't

1012
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 6: want to hear any more about Well, this tells you

1013
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 6: what they think of him through the second time through.

1014
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1015
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 6: Let me see him through the second time. They already

1016
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 6: keeps getting everybody out like see what happens?

1017
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: What are we doing sometime?

1018
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: And again you're going to get that opportunity. Ler, Remember too,

1019
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: when Agent, when all this was happening with aj Blue Ball,

1020
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: was like mid August, like they needed to win games

1021
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: like this wasn't about like oh, let's let's see him

1022
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: out there, Let's see what the young kid can do,

1023
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: like let's give him some leash, Like no, no, no, they

1024
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: needed to win games like this was like they were

1025
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: in a tight division race.

1026
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: They needed to do what they.

1027
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: Thought was best, and that was what at the time

1028
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: they thought was best. Again, he is allowed to improve

1029
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: and maybe and if he does, the Ashers will give

1030
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: him every opportunity to start. Before we get out of here, Josh,

1031
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: we've talked about this, speaking of another speaking of another

1032
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: pitcher that has been given the opportunity to start, Yoshuhnobu Yamamoto.

1033
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: I believe everyone knows who he is now through a

1034
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: complete game against the Brewers in Game two of the NLCS.

1035
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: Has been incredible for the Dodgers this season. If Paul

1036
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: schemes did not exist, Yoshinoba Yamamoto would be winning the

1037
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: cy Young going away, I think pretty famously, Yoshinoba Yamamoto

1038
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: signed a twelve year, three hundred and twenty five million

1039
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: dollar contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers in the in

1040
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three offseason. Josh, when he signed that deal,

1041
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 2: you had some thoughts, and this was your thought, he said,

1042
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: how do you give a guy three and twenty five

1043
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: million dollars without ever throwing a pitch in MLB? Josh,

1044
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: that tweet now has eight point nine million views, eight

1045
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: nine million views.

1046
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 3: By far my best one in my life.

1047
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: Then I'm going to give you the floor here, what

1048
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: did like? I'm going to give you the floor to

1049
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: maybe tell us your rationale behind why why this got

1050
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: you so and if there's been any maybe regrets on

1051
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: that Since sending this tweet on December twenty second, twenty

1052
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: twenty three, right around when Yamamoto signed with the Dodgers, I.

1053
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: Don't think I would say I regret it. I'd probably

1054
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 4: say that tomorrow if they gave it to somebody else.

1055
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: That's just my opinion, and then I'm allowed to have

1056
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 4: it because it's social media, regardless of I'm me playing

1057
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 4: or not. Everybody gets their opinion, so that was my opinion.

1058
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 4: Obviously it was wrong. This guy has been phenomenal and

1059
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 4: very very very very very good to come over here

1060
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: and do what he's done. So I'll admit when I

1061
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: was wrong on that one. And I get reminded daily.

1062
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say daily, I get a good tweeter or

1063
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 4: six daily from Dodger fans, but every fifth day it's

1064
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 4: you wake up and there's usually about one hundred notifications

1065
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: with that tweet tagged and quoted and replied to how

1066
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: good he was. And then, as you can imagine, a

1067
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: complete game shoutout in the postseason, something you don't ever

1068
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: hear about anymore. What was it? JV was the last

1069
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: guy right to do it on the walk off, So

1070
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: pretty crazy obviously bonehead move, but you know what it is,

1071
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 4: what it is, you know, they enjoy it. I just

1072
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: love how much I live in Dodgers fans how heads

1073
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 4: every day, and how they just look forward to making

1074
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 4: it feel like they're upsetting me by sending these tweets

1075
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: and you know, just completely ruining my day. But if

1076
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 4: you're a Dodger fan, you're listening or you know watching it,

1077
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: it doesn't bother me one bit. So you do you

1078
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 4: for your two seconds of fame and go back to work.

1079
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 6: And of course the Dodgers would never allow someone to

1080
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 6: leave their organization who had never done anything in America.

1081
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 6: They wouldn't like trade a Cuban prospect for a reliever

1082
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 6: who ends up being an MVP. That would be embarrassing

1083
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 6: for them. So Dodgers don't even understand what you're talking about, Like,

1084
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 6: of course this guy's gonna be great.

1085
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: It is what it is.

1086
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 4: Then you know this is this is you know moves

1087
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: that happened in baseball every year that we get to

1088
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 4: watch this game wherever they're coming from, whether it be

1089
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: Japan or you know, the Dominican Republic and all that stuff.

1090
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 4: So players turn out to be great, some players don't

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Speaker 4: turn out to be good at And he's just a

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Speaker 4: case that turned out to be pretty pretty damn good.

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Speaker 6: M Yeah, the Ashers should have given him three hundred

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Speaker 6: and twenty six million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I think I wouldn't have tweeted that at the ASH.

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Speaker 6: Or maybe they could have just saved that one million

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Speaker 6: dollars and given it to Jorge Polonko. This year, that

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Speaker 6: would have helped.

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Speaker 3: It's been fun. It's it's like you know, with eight

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Speaker 3: point nine million views.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's it's keeping me me relevant in their minds.

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Speaker 6: So just go and edit it to just be a

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Speaker 6: link to our podcast.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, we should of it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's like wrestling, man, you got to be the good

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Speaker 4: guy or the bad guy. And as long as you're

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Speaker 4: a guy who's getting noticed and you're doing something right.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just playing the heel for the Dodgers for

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Speaker 4: the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, it was an opinion. We're all

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Speaker 1: entitled to opinions. Everybody, Like I have bad opinions all

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 3: People tell me.

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Speaker 1: People tell me all the time.

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Speaker 6: I've never been wrong once in my life, so I

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Speaker 6: can't relate to any of you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's good.

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Speaker 2: I wish my bad opinion has got eight point nine

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Speaker 2: million views. Maybe this podcast can somehow.

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say, start having worse opinions on here.

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Speaker 6: Let's see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do that next time on Crush Territory presented

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Speaker 2: by Fox One. Until then, you can follow me on

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Speaker 2: x at Chandler Underscore Room, You can follow Josh at

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Speaker 2: j Reddubduce.

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Speaker 1: You can follow Tyler at Tyler C. Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Please rate and review us on Apple and Spotify. You

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Speaker 2: can like and subscribe to the Crush Territory YouTube channel

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Speaker 2: so you can get notified every time we post a

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Speaker 2: new video. We'll be back later this week to discuss

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Speaker 2: more of the Astros offseason plans and what lies ahead

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Speaker 2: in a longer off season than normal for Astras fans,

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Speaker 2: But until then, we'll talk to you soon. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 6: Staff A's AJ blue Ball. Bye,