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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil from Tenderfoot TV

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Speaker 3: I'm Yvette Gentiela.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Roschia Paquerero, and as always, our fabulous producer,

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Speaker 4: mister Trevor Young is with us.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, Happy November.

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Speaker 3: Happy No November. Trevor. I can't believe the years almost over.

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Speaker 2: I know, I've had this on my mind for you know,

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Speaker 2: probably the last couple of weeks. You know, we talked about,

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Speaker 2: you know, Kenny Genove's right, a couple of weeks Togo,

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Speaker 2: and it just stuck with me, like how she kind

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Speaker 2: of got lost, you know, back then in that era,

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Speaker 2: because you know, they were so focused on the thirty

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Speaker 2: eight bystanders that we really lost focus of who Kitty

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Speaker 2: was and what her story was about, you know, And

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Speaker 2: today we're going to be talking about Schandra Levy and again,

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Speaker 2: you know, another young woman taken too soon, and again

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Speaker 2: the media loses focus because they they get so fixated

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Speaker 2: on you know, the Gary condit, the political candidate.

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Speaker 3: The sensationalism of it all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I feel so proud, you know what we're doing

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Speaker 2: here on Facing Evil, because we really want to highlight

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Speaker 2: you know, who these women were, you know, at the

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Speaker 2: peak of their career, just about to get started, and

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Speaker 2: then something horrible happens to them, and again their story

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Speaker 2: gets lost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's definitely a thing we

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Speaker 1: try and do on Facing Evil, right, is strip away

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Speaker 1: all the fluff and try and get down to the

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Speaker 1: stories of these victims, right, and talk about it from

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Speaker 1: an angle that maybe not everybody else talks about. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and that is the person, right that's getting to the

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Speaker 1: real empathy of any of these cases as talking about

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Speaker 1: the victims. So, you know, I think that's great and

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Speaker 1: I think this case today's probably a great example of.

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Speaker 3: That, absolutely, Trevor.

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Speaker 2: And with that being said, will you please take us

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Speaker 2: through today's case.

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Speaker 3: The search is on in the district for a missing woman.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Chandra Ann Levy. She is twenty four

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Speaker 1: years old and hasn't been seen since April thirtieth. Susan

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Speaker 1: Leevy came to our city with the mission she wanted

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Speaker 1: to know where her daughter was.

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Speaker 2: What happened.

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Speaker 3: A staffer for the congressman says there was no romantic

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Speaker 3: relationship between the congressman and miss Levy.

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Speaker 1: Chandra Levy was a twenty four year old woman who

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Speaker 1: disappeared in May of two thousand and one. At the time,

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Speaker 1: she had just wrapped up an internship in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: And was getting ready to go back home to California.

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Speaker 1: But Chandra never made it home. On May sixth Chondra's

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Speaker 1: find her. Months later, her remains were discovered by a

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Speaker 1: hiker in Rock Creek Park. The story of Chondra Levy's

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Speaker 1: eventual prosecution were marred by ineptitude, and to this day,

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Speaker 1: it's unclear who killed Chondra Levy, and so who was

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Speaker 1: Schondra Levy? Who was actually responsible for her murder? And

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Speaker 1: what does this story tell us about how police handle

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Speaker 2: So Russia, I remember that this was one of those

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Speaker 2: people couldn't stop talking about it. And I remember living

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we all were.

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Speaker 4: And I remember, you know, her face on every magaz on,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I do think that unlike the Bill

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Speaker 1: shorter lifespan. You know, there was definitely a period in

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Speaker 1: the media where this case was obsessed over because of

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Speaker 1: the you know, quote unquote scandalous relationship with a politician.

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Speaker 1: But you know, those leads connecting the politics to her

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Speaker 1: And that is kind of when the public's attention started

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Speaker 1: looking away from it, it wasn't as interesting anymore, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of a big tragedy in this case.

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Speaker 1: So I think there are many moments where the police

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Speaker 1: pin it on someone else, and I think you can't

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Speaker 1: really like help, but wonder, like, had more of the

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Speaker 1: public eye state on them, would they have done a

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Speaker 1: better job? Right? Would this have gotten solved eventually? Right? True? True. True.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, let's just begin with our classic question.

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Speaker 2: Who was Chandra Levy?

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Speaker 4: Chandra Levy was twenty four years old. She was born

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Speaker 4: in Ohio, but the family moved to California, and actually

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Speaker 4: it was Modesto where she went to high school. She

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Speaker 4: of the Los Angeles Mayor. She then enrolled in graduate

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Speaker 4: in public administration. In September of two thousand. She ended

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Speaker 4: up moving to Washington, d C. And it was there

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Speaker 3: And this is.

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Speaker 2: Where she met Gary Kandit Condent was a Democratic congressman

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Speaker 2: from California. He was also fifty two years old and married,

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Speaker 2: and he took a liking to Chandra.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, obviously, this is something we see a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: is that older politicians men almost always, right, almost always

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Speaker 1: potentially take advantage of a young intern. Right. You heard

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And apparently on a visit Duram Thanksgiving, Chandra tells her

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Speaker 2: any names. However, she did reportedly tell her aunt that

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Speaker 2: her boyfriend was in his fifties and he looked like

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Speaker 2: Harrison Ford, which he didn't.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I.

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Speaker 4: Think he did a little bit. I think he looked

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Speaker 2: I mean, just because he's older, with salt and pepper hair. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but she did reveal that her boyfriend was in fact

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she never said the name specifically to anyone that

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Speaker 4: we know of, right right.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the next month, over winter break, she emails a

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to seeing him again. She's not

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Speaker 2: So in January, Chandra tells her landlord that she won't

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I guess that's that and the relationship was over. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: we do know that April twenty third is the last

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Speaker 4: day of Chandra's internship, and we also know that on

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Speaker 4: left her a message saying she has quote some big news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we just don't know what was said on

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows what the big news was, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think we ever really do. We

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Speaker 1: do know she's set to go back to California for

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Speaker 1: end quote. And then on May first, she emailed her

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Speaker 4: Five days pass and Chandra Levy's parents haven't heard anything

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Speaker 3: They end up calling the police. That's right, rash.

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Speaker 2: And of course this is in the days before everyone

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Speaker 3: Trevor, Do we know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, as you're alluding to, not everybody had

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Speaker 1: cell phones back then, but Chondra did have one that

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Speaker 1: that police find when they search her DC apartment after

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Speaker 1: They find two partially packed bags, a couple clothes. In

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Speaker 1: a few other things like receipts and credit cards. However,

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Speaker 1: most notably, her apartment keys are missing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so her keys were missing, but her driver's license,

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Speaker 2: her credit cards, and her cell phone were still in

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Speaker 2: the apartment, right, seems a bit off right. It feels

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Speaker 2: like if you're leaving the house, like you would definitely

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Speaker 2: take your driver's license at the very least. It just

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Speaker 2: makes you think, like, was she abducted from her apartment?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Possibly?

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Speaker 4: I mean, or you know, like we've been seeing this

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Speaker 4: entire time again in two thousand and one, not everyone

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Speaker 4: them everywhere that they went, of course, you know, you

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Speaker 4: and I did. It's but it's nothing like today, right,

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Speaker 4: so we are always attached to our phones. There's location

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Speaker 4: services on it, all the things. But she could have

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Speaker 4: left her apartment without all of those things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess we'll never really know. And the

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Speaker 1: sad truth there is the reason for that is that

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, Russia. But there's more.

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Speaker 2: The next month, in June, a Washington Post story is

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Speaker 4: Well, that is very telling for sure. And meanwhile, the

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Speaker 2: So maybe that's where she went, right without her cell phone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, possibly, possibly.

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Speaker 4: You know, police end up searching the park, but not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a big question in this case,

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Speaker 4: So, just a few months after Chandra's remains were found

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's just a little pull from the Washington

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Speaker 2: So he claims that Guandik was just out for a

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Speaker 4: to say, hmmmm, I don't buy it.

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00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the more you read into it, the more

437
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: weird it becomes. So I'll read the rest of the

438
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: quote here. The informant said, guandi K told him he

439
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: took drugs and drank alcohol to steel himself for the attack.

440
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: He went to the location cond it gave him and

441
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: saw Chandra running on a path. Guandik hid in the bushes,

442
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: and when Chondra circled back, he jumped out and attacked her,

443
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: stabbing her in the neck and the stomach. She fell

444
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: to the ground and Guandik carried her body far into

445
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: the woods. He dug a hole with his hands and

446
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: covered Schondra with dirt, leaves and sticks. He left the

447
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: knife in her body and later considered retrieving it, but

448
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: never did. He sent the twenty five thousand dollars to

449
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: his family in El Salvador quote.

450
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: So, according to Morality's account, there should have been a

451
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: knife found at the scene, and was a knife ever found?

452
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Trevor, No, Yeah, there was no knife. So I mean,

453
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: this is making all of what Morales is saying here

454
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: to be really fishy. So what happens then is that

455
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: Morales agreed to tell this story on the witness stand

456
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: in return for better conditions in prison. And I think

457
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: that's when the full picture of what's probably really going

458
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: on here comes into view, right.

459
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, But do we know who Guandique is like,

460
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: is this the guy that killed Chandra Levy? I mean,

461
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't think we're sold on that, or are we

462
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: I'm not quite yet.

463
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we know that he's an immigrant from

464
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: El Salvador, we know he doesn't speak English. That summer,

465
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: he had actually been arrested earlier for attacking to women

466
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: in Rock Creek Park. So all of this is going

467
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: on in two thousand and two, the year after Chandra

468
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Lee he was killed, and Guandi Ku went on to

469
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: be sentenced to ten years for said crimes, but he

470
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: did deny killing Schandra Levy and there was still no

471
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: physical evidence connecting him to the murder. So there was

472
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a pattern here that maybe connected him,

473
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: but that's entirely circumstantial.

474
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: In the same part the year after she was killed.

475
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, I see how you can maybe draw

476
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: those conclusions or how that might set him up to

477
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: look guilty, but again, no physical evidence. That knife was

478
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: never found, right right right?

479
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: I got another question though, what about I wonder if

480
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: they ever traced to see if there was ever any

481
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: money exchange, Like was the twenty five thousand dollars ever

482
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: sent to his family?

483
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean the other thing you can check is

484
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: whether or not Gary Condit, you withdrew any large sums

485
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: of money close to twenty five grand on the days

486
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: leading up to her murder, which would also you know,

487
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: back that account up. I don't think that looked into that.

488
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: If they did, I don't know about it. Well. So

489
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: then in two thousand and nine, a new DC Police

490
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: chief decided to reopen the case, and investigators in DC

491
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: Police announce that they are charging Guandi Kay for the

492
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: assault and murder of Chandra Levy. So his trial begins

493
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: in October of two thousand and nine. The two women

494
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: Guandique was convicted of attacking in the park both testify

495
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: at this time, and they describe how he attacked them

496
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: as they jogged alone in the park, so sounding a

497
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: little familiar perhaps same emo. One woman says he dragged

498
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: her down a ravine and attacked her with a knife.

499
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: Chandra Levi's father also takes the stand and says he

500
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: believes Gary Khannit is still the most likely suspect, and

501
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: he reveals that Chandra and Condit had concocted a quote

502
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: five year plan prior to her death, in which he

503
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: would divorce his current wife and Mary Chandra. So it

504
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: sounds like maybe they were planning on running away together

505
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: and maybe something went wrong, at least according to the.

506
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: Father, right right, right.

507
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: So then a condut himself takes the stand and testifies,

508
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: and when asked whether he and Chondra had a sexual relationship,

509
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: he refused to answer flat out, and he said he

510
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: did this out of respect for Chandra. So an FBI

511
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: biologist also revealed that semen found on a pair of

512
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Sandra's underwear match that of condits found in her apartment.

513
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: That is so fishy and I just I just have

514
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: to throw my two cents in here, like he in

515
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: that he says out of respect for Chandra. No respect

516
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: for Chandra would be telling the truth by saying, yes,

517
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: we had a sexual relationship, that is respect.

518
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we know he's full of shit.

519
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd been married since I think nineteen sixty seven,

520
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 4: so he was trying to save everything from burning down.

521
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: I think that.

522
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: Said, I mean, regardless of whether or not he was

523
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: having an affair, which it sounds like he was, right,

524
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily mean he killed her. I mean the

525
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: fact that they find semen on the panties in her

526
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: apartment suggests they were having a sexual relationship, and frankly,

527
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: nothing more, right, I mean, the fact that they were

528
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: having an affair near the time that she was killed

529
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: is certainly suspicious and fishy, but that's not physical evidence

530
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: tying him to her murder, right.

531
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: Right, It is a potential motive, but it's not.

532
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, potentially. So Anyways, the jury finds guandi Ka

533
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: guilty of two counts of first degree murder, so a

534
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: juror later claimed that their decision was mostly based on

535
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: Morales's testimony that he gave, and guandi k was then

536
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: sentenced to sixty years in prison.

537
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: I watched a show about Chandra Levy this past week.

538
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 4: I believe it was on Oxygen, and they interviewed Chandra's

539
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: mom and dad, and when that verdict came down, you know,

540
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: like they had to have an interpreter for guandi Kie

541
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 4: because again he didn't speak English, and they asked him

542
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 4: if he killed you know, Schandra Levy, And you know,

543
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: they were saying in this documentary that they didn't even

544
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: need an interpreter because he was like, I am he

545
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: said it in Spanish, but he's like, I'm something along

546
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: the lines of I'm so sorry for your loss, But

547
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: I did not kill Schandra Levy. And like mom, dad,

548
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: you know, like they had they stated in this documentary

549
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: that they had doubt. And it's just I don't even

550
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: know how they convicted him on his cellmate's testimony when

551
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: there's no other evidence. But you know, Gwandique ends up

552
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: writing a letter to a reporter at the Washington Post

553
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: after that verdict, and after he said all that in

554
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: the courtroom, he says, of course that everything was false,

555
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: the evidence presented by the government and Monals his testimony

556
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: was false, and of course his attorney files on appeal

557
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: and in May twenty fifteen, prosecutors agreed to hold a

558
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: new trial after the defense argued that informant Morales had

559
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: perjured himself on the stand.

560
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: Dang, and this is two thousand and fifty, this is

561
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: now a full fourteen years after Chandra Levy was murdered.

562
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, wrongful conviction puts people in prison for

563
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: decades and decades sometimes, you know, that said he was

564
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: convicted of probably rightfully attacking other women for which he

565
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: should have been in prison, So you know, maybe he

566
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: was going to be there anyways, but you know, at

567
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: least in this case, it seems like, at least from

568
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: my perspective, Guandi Kay is correct in the fact that

569
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: all of this was false and that he was not

570
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: actually guilty of murdering Chandra Levy. So there's a pretty

571
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: good quote from the AP that sums us all up

572
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: that I'll read very quickly. Quote. Authorities acknowledged that they

573
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: had no DNA evidence or witnesses linking gue d Ka

574
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: to the crime, building their prosecution instead around a jail

575
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: house informant who said Guandika had confessed behind bars that

576
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: he was responsible for Levi's death. They also said the

577
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: attack on Levy fit a pattern of assaults by Guandi

578
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: Kay on other female joggers in the same where she

579
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: went missing and during the same timeframe. So Guandique, who

580
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: was already in prison for those attacks when he was

581
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: accused in Levy's death in two thousand and nine, professed

582
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: innocence at his sentencing hearing. His lawyers said police and

583
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: prosecutors made him escapegoat for a botched investigation. And I

584
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: do think that sums up what we know about this

585
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: investigation so far.

586
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely what a freaking miss hot mess.

587
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what this appears to be then is that

588
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: Morale is the person who gave this testimony, was looking

589
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: for a lighter sentence and saw an opportunity to rat

590
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: out somebody else to get that. And then some things

591
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: happened that back this up. So when prosecutors and the

592
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: judge agreed to hold a new trial, it comes to

593
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: light that Armando Morales had actually testified in federal cases before,

594
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: and that the prosecution knew this but failed to disclose it.

595
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: The defense argued that this misconduct warranted the charges against

596
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: Guandigae be completely dropped. So this is something he had

597
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: been doing frequently along with investigators, to nail people who

598
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: may not have been responsible so that they could close

599
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: their cases and Morales could get shorter sentences.

600
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 4: Pooh, yeah, well it's horrible, totally horrible, And you know, meanwhile,

601
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: and this is this is a little crazy. But Armando

602
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: Morales's neighbor ends up coming forward and she's made a

603
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: bunch of secret recordings of her conversations with Morales in

604
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: which he talked about being the key witness in the

605
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: Chandra Levy case and flat out says that he lied

606
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: about Guandique's confession to improve his prison conditions, just like

607
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: you said, Trevor, And so in light of you know

608
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: this development, all charges against Guandique are indeed dropped again

609
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 4: no physical evidence against him, and without the testimony of Morales,

610
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: they have not nothing.

611
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: So basically they're back to square one, sadly.

612
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And where the story essentially ends is that

613
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: in May of twenty seventeen, Guandi Ku was deported back

614
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: to El Salvador. Gary Condit's career was essentially destroyed by this.

615
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: As you would imagine, he was voted out of office

616
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, very likely from all the

617
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: negative press he was receiving. He then moved to Phoenix,

618
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: where he and his wife attempted and failed at a

619
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: couple of Baskin Robbins franchises that they briefly owned. And

620
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: so yeah, nobody walked away from this unscathed.

621
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I you know, again, the sad thing

622
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: about all this is like we still don't know who

623
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: the real murderer is, Like we still.

624
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 3: Have no clue.

625
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, because police were so hyper fixated

626
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: on Gary Condit's involvement and the testimony, the false testimony

627
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: that they had from Morales, right that they really failed

628
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: to dedicate the time and resources to looking at a

629
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: wise range of suspects and looking at all of the

630
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: evidence in front of them. And so now it's years

631
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: decades later almost, and you know, we have nothing really

632
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: left to work with. There's essentially no way to solve

633
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: this space on where we're at now, right.

634
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: And that's what I think so tragic, right.

635
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: And you know, when I was listening to Chandra's mom

636
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 4: and dad speak in that Oxygen documentary, her mom said,

637
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 4: she's like, you know, even if we find out who

638
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: killed my daughter, it's not going to bring her back.

639
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: And that was like, oh, like, it just broke my

640
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: heart even more, you know. And I will say one

641
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: thing with like Gary Condent being, you know, such a

642
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: big headline, and this is something her mom, you know,

643
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: chimed in about as well. She doesn't think that she

644
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: would have gotten as much media coverage if her daughter

645
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: hadn't been involved with him, because it was such a

646
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: sensationalized media story that you know, she was going, her

647
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: and her husband were going on different news programs to

648
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: talk about their missing daughter because she hadn't been found

649
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 4: for that entire year.

650
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: But through all of that.

651
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: And with nine to eleven happening. You know, we no

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Speaker 4: one really got to see who Chandra Levy was as

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Speaker 4: a human being. She was more of just a headline.

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Speaker 4: And that's what's so heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely I think what you said is absolutely true, you know,

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Speaker 2: And what we have to remember is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: she was more than a headline. She was a human

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Speaker 2: being just at the start of her life.

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Speaker 4: So that brings us to this week's emua, our final

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Speaker 4: message of hope and healing. Our EMUA goes to Chandra Levy.

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Speaker 4: If those in charge of finding justice for her murder

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Speaker 4: had paid more attention to Chandra's actual actions in the

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Speaker 4: final hours of her life, then maybe her family might

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Speaker 4: have some measure of justice today. Instead, the police and

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Speaker 4: the justice system focused on innuendo, scandal headlines, and when

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Speaker 4: all of that failed, they ended up finding a scapegoat

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Speaker 4: on which to pin her.

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Speaker 2: Death, and few bothered to know her in the weeks

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Speaker 2: and months when doing so might have made a difference.

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Speaker 2: And so we'll take a moment now to honor her life.

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Speaker 2: Chandra Ann Levy was more than the worst thing that

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Speaker 2: ever happened to her. She was a fun, loving and

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Speaker 2: playful sister. She was prone to being an occasional big

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Speaker 2: sister BOSSI. She played Little League and she loved the

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Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants. And she was a bright, brilliant young woman,

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Speaker 2: you know, doing her thing working in DC.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and she was an individual who didn't like being

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Speaker 4: told what to do. She was a very independent and

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Speaker 4: vibrant young woman with a bright future that should have

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Speaker 4: been hers to claim today and always we honor you, Chandra,

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Speaker 4: Onward and upward, Emua, emua.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is our show for today.

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