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It's funny. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.000 When I was looking at titles for my show, I 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.840 had done a charity event a few years ago and 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.560 called it Fax and Friends. You know, there's a show 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.840 on Fox called Fox and Friends, the Morning show. I 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.720 worked for Fox Sports. My wife wakes up every morning 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.720 turns on Fox and Friends. So I thought Fax and 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.280 Friends would be pretty good name. And then but just 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.400 the facts spelled Fax instead facts kind of I thought 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.120 that was a better way to go. And I like 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.280 how you just started in because the guys that I 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.480 like on radio, especially the guys I listened to in 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.440 New England when I was living in Rhode Island, that 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.640 there was a show on wee I in the morning, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.280 The Dennis and Callahan Show was a pretty big show, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.160 syndicated show, and they just started talking. They didn't and 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.320 everybody on Serious XM on PGA Tour Radio, you know, 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:04.079 Michael bad, whether it's tailor's ours are they start off talking, Hey, 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.720 it's name of the show station we're on. I mean, 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.200 people know that, you know. I just I think, like 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:11.600 you just let's have a conversation. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:13.799 Well, so I think about it. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.440 I had this epiphany when I interview a lot of 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.160 architects and they talk about constraints like if you put 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.160 a clubhouse here, you got to start here right and 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.320 you got to end here versus. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:28.440 And I thought about it. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.160 I was like, if I do an intro and I 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.480 introduce somebody, I have to start right there. I don't 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.520 get the ability to, like, if we have a conversation, 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.640 like I could cut this out if I wanted to 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.400 start our conversation fifteen minutes in, because that's where I 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.080 think it really kicks off. Well, I can't move things 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.640 around as easily if we do an intro exactly. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.080 No, that makes a lot of sense to me. And 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.640 if you have something you want to talk about, just 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:52.480 start talking about it. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:53.240 Yeah, exactly. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.120 And I don't know, there's too many rules sometimes on 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.440 the radio for my liking, where I have to reintroduce 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.920 the person I been talking to, Like, it just doesn't 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.840 feel right. It's not something we would do sitting on 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.000 this chair and couch together talking to each other. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:12.640 Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, how's hosting and doing interviews? 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.800 Ben? After being on the other side. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:20.800 You know, it's interesting. I went to when I first 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.599 got my card in nineteen eighty four, the PGA tour 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.000 offered some media in PR counseling from a woman named 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.520 Andrea Kirby, and I thought it was a great idea. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.920 She had been at ESPN for a long time and 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.240 she was Her topic was to help you answer tough questions, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.640 how to stay on point, how to move the conversation 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.040 in a direction that would benefit you, and ultimately how 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.560 to look good. And she talked about body language and 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.480 how important body language was when you were getting interviewed, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.240 and she showed us an incredible example of a hockey 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.640 player after he had a game was over. She turned 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.920 a sound down guy had a towel over, and you 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:57.440 knew it was the end of the game, and you 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.000 just watched him answer this question that took about forty 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.760 five seconds. And then she paused the video and said, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.720 what do you think just happened to this guy or 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.880 his team? And we all said, well, he got the 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.279 news that somebody's family died. They must have lost, he 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.720 must have given up the winning goal or whatever it was. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.719 And he had just scored the winning goal in triple 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.320 overtime to win the Stanley Cup. And I'm looking at 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.280 this going she's right, because I never thought body language 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:31.040 could make such a difference. And smiling is important. People 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.240 like to see people that are happy. And even Michael Breed, 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.880 who has been a great friend to me and you know, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.120 an advisor, really going on the radio, he says, the 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.200 more you can stand up when you do your show, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.200 and the more you can smile when you talk, people 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.120 can hear your smile. And I'm going, that's ridiculous, but 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.400 it makes a lot of sense to me. They can 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:54.200 hear your happiness, your excitement. So I started the JUSTI 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.080 Fact Show almost exactly a year ago. Here at the 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.960 show I signed my contract and I think I learned 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.520 from this woman Andrew Kirby nineteen eighty four. That's a 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.440 long time ago. Yeah, how to speak better, how to 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.680 end a sentence a lot of times. You know. The 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.640 one thing I learned then was you keep talking sometimes 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.640 and you never stop talking. And if you were lucky 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.120 enough to watch Jim Nansen kind of Lisa Rice yesterday 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.120 at the titleist opening, Jim nantz is he's so in control. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.919 He's never rushed, he's never hurried. He pauses and it 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.520 doesn't feel like you're waiting for him to say the 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:36.080 next thing, and it's just it's regular, it's normal. So 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.120 long answer to your question. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:39.040 Well, it's amazing. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:44.719 Like people that are very good at asking questions. It's 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.840 a real art because it's their brief but they're like 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.039 they get their point across so quickly. 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:51.599 I'm still it's funny. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.200 I listened to myself self when I'm editing, and I'm like, God, 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:56.240 just stop talking. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.640 Yes, and that you know we're talking about my interview 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.000 coming up. Scottie Cameron, and you've got to ask a short, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.160 open ended question because people want to hear the person 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:10.400 you're talking to, and you know, you always got to 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.520 the conversation is going to drag in a direction and 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.480 then you got to break it back and you know, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.760 get a few points across. But I think so your 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.400 original question for me being the host of a show, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.080 I mean, I've had some friends tell me, Look, people 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:26.679 just want to hear what you have to think about 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.520 golf and golfing in the world. You don't need a 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.080 lot of guests. When I'm doing a show by myself 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.440 and not sitting in front of somebody, it's hard to 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.040 talk by yourself. I'm not looking at anybody. I'm looking 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.840 at four walls, so that's more difficult than having somebody 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.600 on the show. I'm lucky because my show's on Monday, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.160 so there's always something to talk about after a weekend 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.520 of golf on all the tours, but everybody does that. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.720 So I'm trying to get guests that people don't have 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.560 all the time, or thoughts people don't hear all the times, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.760 so that show can be a little bit more unique. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.280 And I'll throw my opinion in there. I'll get on that, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.200 and I've enjoyed it. But I'm in a really interesting 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.240 part of my career as I've won't winded down from 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.720 playing golf to work in more in media, working for 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.160 Fox at the USGA so and then have my feet 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.000 in the game as an instructor with some top players. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.720 Yeah, a few famous ones. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.120 It's yeah, but I mean it's it's odd because I 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:31.800 don't know that I've seen a TV announcer that's really 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.360 involved in players games. And it can be I. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:38.240 Guess costas a little bit with Paul like and it 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.080 was always when Paul Casey's coming down the stretch, he's 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.200 talking about like very intimate knowledge of the swing and 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.520 what happens to Paul when their pressure gets a little 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.000 you know, I. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.960 Know in one of my I don't know if you'd 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.480 call this a stick or not. But when I first 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.400 met Rory McElroy, which is almost two years ago, he 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.320 was under contract with another putting and instructor, and I 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.040 was one of those that took a lot of lessons 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.480 and I knew what it was like to cheat on 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:09.960 an instructor. I wouldn't say cheat, but cheat. I told Roy. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.680 The first thing I said to him as I said, Roy, 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.280 I'm not looking for any publicity here. I will never 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.000 say anything to anybody about you and I speaking. If 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:19.959 you go to the press and say something and then 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.559 somebody asks me, I'll just kind of repeat what you said. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.920 But our stuff is sacred to me and you. And 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.840 I think that gave him pause to exhale and say 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.640 thank you. And it was uncomfortable because Kenyan, Phil Kenyon, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.040 who's one of the most noted putting instructors, teaches I 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:44.080 mean justin Rose, Hendrick Stintson, Western Fleetwood. I'm missing other 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:49.360 good players Fitzpatrick and and Rory and you know, it's 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.040 it's hard, but and maybe even the stuff that they 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:59.480 worked on was correct helped his stroke get better. But 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.720 you know, maybe unlocking the door is what I helped him. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:03.160 I've taught. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:08.360 I talked with some pros yesterday, some club pros about 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.040 the idea, and I think this is so true with 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.200 teaching golf, is two teachers can be teaching the same thing, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.760 but one it's conveying the message in a in a 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.199 in a way that the pupil understands it. Like you 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.040 could be teaching the same exact thing, but just the 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.240 way you convey the information, something clicks with one way 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.600 versus the other, and that feel or that thought really 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.480 resonates and all of a sudden it works. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:38.640 It's fascinating to me to scheme how players' minds work, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.040 sometimes in pictures, words or phrases. And I can give 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.120 you a great example of some time I spent with 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.720 Gary Woodland, who is another student now of Phil Kenyon, 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:50.320 but I spent a little time with him four or 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:55.480 five years ago. And as talented as Gary Woodland was 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:00.000 and is, he was a young golfer when I first 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.280 to talking to him. You know, he didn't plague golf 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.160 as a kid like most players on the tour do now. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.960 And we were just having a conversation about putting, and 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.000 we were on a putting green at Old marsh Down 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.440 where I live, a beautiful old Pete Die course, and 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.280 I made a comment to him that when I was 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.640 putting my best, I always had to mark a putt 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.480 when I missed, because it ran far enough by the 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.360 hole that it wasn't a tap him. When I was 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.240 putting my best, I mean, when I'm not putting my best, 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.880 I'm a little more cautious, and then the speed's closer 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.880 to the hole, and people kind of assume that, oh, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.760 he's got great touch when it ends up right by 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.760 the cop I think the most the most prolific putters 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.760 hit the ball with a little bit of authority. So 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.480 I just had that conversation. I never really said anything 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.920 more than that to Gary. And then the next week 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.720 he had a great first round and his pressroom comments 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.719 where I talked to Brad Paxton last week he told 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.680 me to hit it harder. Never said that. I didn't 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.080 say hit it harder, Gary, I said just that my 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.880 putts always went by the hole a little bit. But 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.720 how he interpreted my little phrase or my comment was 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:05.800 I need to hit it harder to make more putts. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:07.199 It's interesting. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.000 I think, like I grew up caddy in and played, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:16.200 but when pressure comes putting, you start worrying about the 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.640 next putt instead of it seems like and it's always 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:24.160 pace oriented, right. It's just like whenever anybody has a 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:29.200 big putty, it's very rare to see somebody like, you know, 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.680 hit it with that pace that in most putts like 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.120 they go in when they go in there, you know 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.600 they've got pace to them. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:40.920 I see that most of all, and look, I'm new 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.440 from the instructor side. I was a player, and because 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.560 you were a good player or a good putter doesn't 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.839 mean you're going to be a good instructor, does it. 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.680 You know, does Jack Nicholas because he was the best 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.920 player that ever lived or Tiger Woods, does that mean 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.720 they're going to be great instructors. You know, you have 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.520 to have a way about having a conversation or or 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:05.480 talking to them to help them. And you need to 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:10.280 learn about the person, the personality, how they think. And 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.520 you know, I did this for a long time. Well 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.600 I got better as I got older, and I've learned 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.640 a lot now from some of these putting instructors of 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.719 what they look at on the technical side of it. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.480 And I've yet to have any player, whether they're a 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.439 great player or an aspiring player, come to me and 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.920 say I need more thoughts, I need to take more time, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.319 and I need to try harder. I've never had any 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:44.520 great player, talented players say that to me. Now, beginner golfers, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.760 they need a lot of instruction. And when people ask me, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.160 is there a secret to this? And I say, it's time. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.559 You know, there's not a shortcut to this. You know, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.280 You're not going to be a great putter by taking 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.800 two lessons. You know, you've got to spend endless hours. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.960 And I think later today when I talked to Cameron 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.560 to Scottie about putting, I get insulted when somebody says, well, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.160 you're just lucky were born that way. And I'm like, 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.840 let's go back to when I was five or six 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.560 years old and first starting and how many hours and 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.760 how many times did I spend hitting putts from all 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:23.480 distances on all kinds of courses throughout a year. So yeah, 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.040 get me going that way. Yeah. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.640 I think I was talking to Billy Hurly last time 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.400 and he was talking about like people that he's played 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.160 golf with all different walks of life, but success they 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.880 and he was talking about himself, and he said, you 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.200 know the thing is anybody that has, you know, that 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.160 reaches a high level of success in a field, they've 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:47.320 made a sacrifice that other people didn't want to make, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.120 whether it was moving somewhere early in their career to 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.360 get ahead, like moving to Asia if you're you know, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.480 in business and getting head that way, or in his case, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.120 he's like the amount of time I've spent hitting three 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.360 foot Putts is something that nobody else would do, like 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:02.520 very few people would do. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.480 Yes, yes, so I can go back. Reminds me of 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.600 in my college days. One of my college roommates was 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.080 on the baseball team. He was a picture for the 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.160 baseball team, and he was a good pitcher, but he 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.800 wasn't an aspiring professional. And the school, Furman University, had 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.520 a decent baseball program for a small Division one Double 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:24.120 A school. But I was so devoted to the game 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.760 that every class I took at Furman was between nine 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.000 and twelve, so I was always done at twelve, and 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.360 many of the days I'd go hit balls before my 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.240 nine o'clock class, so I didn't go out as late 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.640 as a lot of my friends. I wasn't crazy. I 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.920 mean I had fun certain times, but he didn't say 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.080 an He never said anything about it. And after our 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.160 first full year's room and he was I'm so impressed 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.040 with how disciplined you are, because he says I would 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:55.360 never be able to do that. And I never thought 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.480 of that as a sacrifice, you know. I thought like 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.360 when my eyes opened, I wanted to be outside hitting 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.840 golf balls. And most of the great players I don't 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.520 see these great players as today getting up at eleven 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.920 o'clock in the morning and trying to figure out what 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.240 their day is going to be, like most of them 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:12.920 have a little bit of a plan going on. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.600 Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, that's the thing is all 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.160 the hours that go into it. So you you've talked 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.200 last night a lot about you know, getting thoughts out 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.840 of your head. And I'm a big proponent of this 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.480 with putting, how do you how do you get people 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.320 to get stuff out of their head in the first place? 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:31.600 Like what? 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.120 Okay? So there's I found there's two really good ways 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.560 to do it. First of all, I've played a lot 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.040 of golf with a lot of thoughts on my head swinging. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.240 You know, I went to more teachers than anybody. I 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.720 can guarantee you I would probably lead the tour in 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:54.240 two categories one and maybe Ben Crenshaw would be ahead 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.760 of me. But I think I've played more of the 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:00.080 top one hundred courses than anybody. I think so. And 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.760 I think I've worked. I know I've worked and paid 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.800 for more instructors than anybody alive over eighty that's a 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.679 lot written checks to eighty different instructors. And I have 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.960 a list somewhere that's pretty funny to see. And I 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.919 get my balls busted all the time about it. So 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.439 I know what it's like to play with no thoughts, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.920 one thought or fifty thoughts, and in putting, I don't 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.840 know why I was able to separate that and play 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.399 with zero to one, you know, or somewhere in between 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.520 zero and one is the right amount in my opinion. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.159 So if I have somebody that comes to see me 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.960 and they have multiple thoughts, I kind of look at 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.159 it like if you're a big guy, if you're an 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.720 overweight guy and you're trying to lose weight, you don't 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:50.120 go from a bacon double cheeseburger to a turkey burger 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.320 or an impossible burger. You just take the bacon off first, right. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.959 You got to go in layers. And somebody that has 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:01.040 one hundred thoughts you got to win down. So I 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.720 actually add thoughts to them so they could get rid 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.040 of all the other ones something to hold on to, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.800 and finding that magic is will take time to do it. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.200 And then when I have somebody like Patrick Cantley who 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.840 had been to a bunch of instructors and every instructor 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.119 tells him you have a great stroke. Why aren't you 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.680 making putts? You know, that's the hardest thing to figure out, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.960 because now it's more let's sit down, because every time 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.679 he hits a putt, people say, well, your stroke's perfect. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.560 All the machines, all the technology tells you face some 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.520 path or square, temple's good, grip looks good. Pat you 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:43.359 know everything, and you're like, holy smokes, this this is 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.680 going to take some time too. So that's the two 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.280 ends of the spectrums. And I rarely see it. And 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.840 I'm friendly with I know Phil Keny a little bit. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.439 David Orro is a bit of big help to me 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.400 and learning about biomechanics of the putting stroke, the weight 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.639 shifts and everything that happen, wrist angles changes, and I'm like, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.199 oh my gosh when he starts talking about this stuff. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.040 He can look at a player in one stroke and 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.720 pick apart the mechanical side of that. But if you 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:14.400 start trying to change a player's older or radial deviation, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.160 you know, words that I hate hearing an instructor talk 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:22.600 about to a player. It can scare somebody. Yeah, you know, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.440 players don't want to make big changes. They and they 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:31.440 want to keep their feels and with all the technology now, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.400 I'm fascinated with all the informations out there and how 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.000 some of that's transferred to a player, and no wonder 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.679 so many guys are getting afraid of chipping and putting, 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.840 and chipping's become an epidemic. It used to be just 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.919 hit a chip shot, never thought about now like there's 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:48.560 ten ways to hit one shot. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.320 I'm like, what it is a you know, a comment 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.320 from last year with the rules changed with the pin, 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.119 and I'll never forget, you know, Adam Scott had a 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.080 great year actually statistically on and around the green and 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.680 he talked about with putting with a pin and how 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.600 it you know, the pin being in reminded him of 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.760 a kid when he would just go to the practice 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.280 screen and just hit putts and everything would hit the 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.320 pin and go in. And it's like almost like you 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.160 could tell it from that comment. It almost freed his mind. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.040 That like liberated him and brought back like a much 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:24.440 simpler time, because every every professional remembers when they're a kid. 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:28.400 Somehow golf can get more difficult the more you work 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:29.360 at it. 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.199 I think every one of us played on a course 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.240 that had a short, little flagstick on a putting green. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:39.640 I don't know if you'd call it a flag stick. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.639 Whatever that thing was where you had the handle, you 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.480 could pull it up and it was metal, and you 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:46.919 could hit the ball hard and you could make it 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.480 make a loud noise. And we challenge ourselves, how hard 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.000 can you hit this in and make the ball go in? 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.840 And you know, maybe we're too lazy to pull it 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.080 out of there to hit practice putts, or maybe you 0:20:58.119 --> 0:20:59.840 wanted to hit all three of your balls in there 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.720 and scoop it up and catch all three balls at once. 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.199 You know when you did that, And I understand the 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.840 mindset from Adam Scott and how hey, if that brings 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.080