WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show Oct 27, 2021

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome everybody. You are listening to the Mark Moss Show,

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<v Speaker 1>where we are talking about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and the

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<v Speaker 1>decentralized revolution. I'm talking about the biggest opportunity we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>in our lifetime, we'll see in multiple lifetimes. It is

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<v Speaker 1>that big. Now I like to say that, Um well,

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<v Speaker 1>I say over and over that real investors, professional investors,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that actually make money and don't lose money,

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<v Speaker 1>they're always looking for something called an asymmetric return. That

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<v Speaker 1>means they want to have more upside than downside. And

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<v Speaker 1>so in order to get that asymmetric return, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a symmetric information. You have to know information

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<v Speaker 1>that the majority of people don't have. That's the only way.

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<v Speaker 1>If everybody knows it, there's no there's no alpha, there,

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<v Speaker 1>you next week when we go live. Now we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about um bitcoins price. It broke. It's broke its previous

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<v Speaker 1>all time high that was set back in April of

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<v Speaker 1>this year, and there's really no resistance above head at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. I mean, we're in this kind of no

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<v Speaker 1>man's land, there's no resistance. We're in this true price

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<v Speaker 1>discovery place at this point. And a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>was driven by, you know, some regulations that happened in China,

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<v Speaker 1>but also in the United States. UM, in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've continued to reach this level of entrenchment

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<v Speaker 1>that I think is just impossible. There's just no way

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<v Speaker 1>the government would ever um kill it at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>And they can't kill it, but they could, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>try to make it illegal. I don't think that would

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<v Speaker 1>ever happen. And I think what over the last couple weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard the head of the SEC, Gary Gensler, and

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<v Speaker 1>we heard the federal chair of Jrome pow both say

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<v Speaker 1>that they will not make it illegal. They told us

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<v Speaker 1>that verbatim um. And then we saw this week and

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<v Speaker 1>this is the real big news were talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>week is that this bitcoin e t F went into effect,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was really big news, got got everybody excited. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to explain something about this e t F

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<v Speaker 1>because there's there's there's probably a lot of miscommunication, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of misunderstanding going on with this et F, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very important for you to understand because

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<v Speaker 1>it can be dangerous, all right, it can be dangerous. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing I want you to understand is that

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<v Speaker 1>there's two different types of ets I mean, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>more than that, but I want to break them down

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<v Speaker 1>into kind of two main categories. And so you have

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<v Speaker 1>a Future's e t F and you have a spot

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<v Speaker 1>e t F. All right, let me explain to you

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<v Speaker 1>what those two are. So a future's et F is

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<v Speaker 1>basically a way to just bet, to gamble. You're basically

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<v Speaker 1>betting on what the price of bitcoin will be in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. I bet I gamble, you know, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you that it's going to be higher in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>or I bet you it's going to be lower in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. All right. That's the first way. The second

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<v Speaker 1>way is a spot et f and that means you're

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<v Speaker 1>actually buying the bitcoin, right, you actually own it, You

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<v Speaker 1>have a at least you have a claim to it,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So it's a big difference. Now, the futures

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<v Speaker 1>came out for a couple of reasons, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>like like everything, they kind of get distorted and changed

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<v Speaker 1>over time. But in the beginning, you know, they were

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<v Speaker 1>really used for commodities, which bitcoin is classified as a commodity,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why they have it um. But commodities typically

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<v Speaker 1>would be like um, food, right, so grain, wheat, things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And if I was a farmer and I

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<v Speaker 1>was growing wheat or whatever crop that may be. And

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that I was afraid that I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a bad year or that it was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a good Year's we too much wheat and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to push the price down, or something's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen to the price. Right, So what I could do

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<v Speaker 1>is I could sell a futures contract. I could get

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<v Speaker 1>someone to agree to buy my wheat or corn or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is at a fixed price in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>and that way it takes some of the risk off.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guaranteed a price, and now they are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that have the risk. Now I could end up selling

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<v Speaker 1>it short to not make as much money, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay because I'm guaranteed to get that price. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what's happening with the Bitcoin et F. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a futures based contract. So I don't own the bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a claim to actually get any bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just betting on where I think the price is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be now. Um part. Another reason why the

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<v Speaker 1>futures also work good for commodities is because typically commodities,

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm talking about corn, you know, wheat grain, or

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about oil, you know, commodities like that, they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're very difficult, if not completely impossible, to take delivery of, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, imagine if a bunch of contracts, a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of tons of grain, you know, corn showed up at

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<v Speaker 1>your house or oil, like, what are you gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>with that? And so it was a way for a

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<v Speaker 1>way for an investor to buy into that commodity, to

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<v Speaker 1>put some money into that commodity, but without having to

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<v Speaker 1>take delivery of it. Right. So that would be more

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<v Speaker 1>of the spot side of things. So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what they were intended for. Of course, today they're just

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<v Speaker 1>turned into this giant gambling casino that's going on over

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<v Speaker 1>in Wall Street, and they're you know, betting on everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, today there's betting markets for everything. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it probably probably a lot of people were surprised to

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<v Speaker 1>see that there was like betting markets on the election,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for last year, and anything that can be

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<v Speaker 1>bet on they're betting on. And they're betting on the

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<v Speaker 1>price of bitcoin. Now. Um, the first thing I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that I don't like about the futures um et

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<v Speaker 1>F is that price is all driven by supply and demand,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So if there's more demand, more people want

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<v Speaker 1>to buy, then there is supply than people that want

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<v Speaker 1>to sell, and the price and actually goes up. And

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<v Speaker 1>so as more and more people wanted to get into bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>as corporations, as institutions, as hedge funds, as they es

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<v Speaker 1>central banks, as they want to get access to bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to buy it. And when they bought it,

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<v Speaker 1>it took supply off the market, which then push the

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<v Speaker 1>price up higher. Right, And so the one one of

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<v Speaker 1>the many revolutionary things about bitcoin is that it has

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<v Speaker 1>a fixed supply cap right never be more than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one million gold. We talked about earlier if you caught

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<v Speaker 1>the previous show, we talked about how gold has a

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<v Speaker 1>stock to flow model. You have the stock the existing

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<v Speaker 1>supply with the flow of the new and coming supply,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's an inflation rate. How much gold goes up. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if the price of gold went you know, right now

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<v Speaker 1>it's on eight hundred bucks anounce, let's say it went

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<v Speaker 1>to ten thousand announces, you'd have way more people go

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<v Speaker 1>to mind gold, and you have way more gold coming

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<v Speaker 1>into the into the world. With bitcoin, they can't increase that.

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<v Speaker 1>You could you get the price of bitcoin to go

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<v Speaker 1>up by ten x and you'd have ten x the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of people going to mind bitcoin, but it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>increase the supply of bitcoin at all. And so um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a supply demand thing and so um, since they

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<v Speaker 1>can't create more than twenty one million, what they can

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<v Speaker 1>do is with this future's e t F. Remember they're

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<v Speaker 1>not actually buying bitcoin, they're buying they're just betting on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So now money that typically if that hedge fund, that institution,

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<v Speaker 1>that government wanted access to the price of bitcoin, they

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<v Speaker 1>would have no choice book to buy it. Today, they

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<v Speaker 1>instead of putting their million dollars of buying bitcoin, they

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<v Speaker 1>just take that same million dollars and they bet on

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin instead. And so the million dollars is still getting

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<v Speaker 1>access to the price of bitcoin, but it's not changing

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<v Speaker 1>the demand and supply metrics. So I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing. Now we've seen this become very very bad,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the gold industry for example. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>gold industry, um, this is really big. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>gold is a little bit hard to take advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>two or I should say, take custody of right, So

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<v Speaker 1>like if you have a lot of gold, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do with it? Like you probably

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<v Speaker 1>can't store it in your house, It's very expensive to

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<v Speaker 1>ship and things like that, and so, um, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people I buy the gold ETFs that don't actually

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<v Speaker 1>own the gold. And studies have shown there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of transparency here. But some estimates show that there's

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<v Speaker 1>approximately five hundred paper ounces of gold for everyone real

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<v Speaker 1>ounce of gold. So what that means is there's at

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<v Speaker 1>five people four nine of them think they own gold,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't really. Now, imagine if all of those

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<v Speaker 1>four people that thought they own gold actually did if

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<v Speaker 1>they took that money and actually bought physical gold based

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<v Speaker 1>off supplying Man, what do you think would happen to

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<v Speaker 1>the price of gold. It would shoot way higher, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean five times higher. Um. But they've created this

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<v Speaker 1>fake paper market, and I'm afraid that could happen to bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>where you create this fake paper market which then creates

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<v Speaker 1>an unlimited supply, and then it kind of suppresses the

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<v Speaker 1>price down in a way because um, it's not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>activating that supply and demand. So that's one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the futures without much rather see a

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<v Speaker 1>spot et F. Of course, the the SEC won't approve

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<v Speaker 1>a spot E t F right now. They say it's

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<v Speaker 1>too dangerous. Um. In my opinion, what's dangerous is this

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<v Speaker 1>fake futures betting. In my opinion, that's way more dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>If I bought bitcoin spot and it went down in value,

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<v Speaker 1>at least I still own the bitcoin. If I just

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<v Speaker 1>make a bet against it and I lose the bet,

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<v Speaker 1>I lose everything. I own nothing, And so that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to me more dangerous. But I want to get in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more into how this spot or I'm right,

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<v Speaker 1>how this future is actually works, because if you're considering

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<v Speaker 1>buying it, there's actually some things that you need to know. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it is easy to get access to it, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>some real dangers and it actually might be way more

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<v Speaker 1>expensive and way more dangerous than you think. And so

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<v Speaker 1>if you're thinking about buying this futures, you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to get from your brokerage account whatever it may be. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>then you need to know this information. There's something known

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<v Speaker 1>as the bleed. You need to know about the bleed.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to know what the cash and carry is.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to know something a negative role yield is called.

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<v Speaker 1>You listen to the Mark Moa Show. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin futures. So the information that you need need you

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<v Speaker 1>need to know about bitcoin so you can survive and

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<v Speaker 1>thrive as this revolution plays out. I'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, welcome back. You are listening to the markma

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<v Speaker 1>Show where I talk about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and the

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<v Speaker 1>decentralized revolution each and every week, bringing you the information

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<v Speaker 1>you need. I mean, look, I say it over and

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<v Speaker 1>over every each and every week. This is the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity you'll ever have in your lifetime, and you need

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<v Speaker 1>to have this information. Unfortunately, most people have wrong information.

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<v Speaker 1>Wherever they're getting information from. I can pretty much tell

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<v Speaker 1>you it's wrong. And if you have the wrong information,

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<v Speaker 1>you're either not going to take advantage of this opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>or you won't take advantage of it properly. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you need to have that. So join me each and

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<v Speaker 1>every week polot your phone intead of reminder. Also, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, tweet at me or hit me on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>One Mark Moss, just the number one. Mark Moss asked

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<v Speaker 1>me a question. I'll answer it next week. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about these futures, these bitcoin futures e t s

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<v Speaker 1>that came out this week and the big, big, big news,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the price of bitcoin shot higher, new all

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<v Speaker 1>time highs, and I was explaining, now there's two different

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<v Speaker 1>types of bitcoin e T f s, and there's there's more,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just breaking them in two buckets. And so

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<v Speaker 1>basically you have the futures, which is basically you're not

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<v Speaker 1>buying bitcoin, you're just betting on the future price, hence

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<v Speaker 1>the name of futures. And then there's another one called spot,

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<v Speaker 1>which is means you're actually buying it. You're actually buying

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<v Speaker 1>the bitcoin. And uh, in an e t F, you

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<v Speaker 1>would actually take delivery of it, but you would have

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<v Speaker 1>a claim to it. And so what we got is

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<v Speaker 1>the futures et F. We did not get the spot

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<v Speaker 1>et F. And and there's some things with this, with

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<v Speaker 1>this futures et F that you need to be aware of.

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<v Speaker 1>Um overall, I would just say I don't recommend it

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<v Speaker 1>for the average person. I don't think you should buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would highly recommend that you stay away

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<v Speaker 1>from it. For the average person. You should just buy

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin and you should store it yourself. It's so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the very, very, very many revolutionary things about

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin is it allows you to take custody of your

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<v Speaker 1>own assets. Um Man, I can go down through so

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<v Speaker 1>many tangents. I hate to go through the tangents, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard for me not to explain this stuff to you.

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<v Speaker 1>But think about this just real quick. Probably the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>problem that man that humans have had, the oldest problem

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire world of all the humanity, the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>problem that man has had humans have had is how

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<v Speaker 1>do you store your wealth? How do you store your

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<v Speaker 1>property without it being taken. So, um, the early man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid you're gonna come steal my chickens. So me

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<v Speaker 1>and the neighbor get together and band together, and someone's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come take our chickens and our goats. So then

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<v Speaker 1>we make a village to protect our property. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we make a kingdom, and then we make a country.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, the role of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States government is only to protect private property. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's the revolution about bitcoin is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that I'm I'm holding my wealth, my value

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<v Speaker 1>in gold, and I have a lot of gold. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna take up a lot of room. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be very heavy. I'm gonna have to spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money to build a safe and some walls, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to hire some guards. So it's very expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I can't take it anywhere. It's very hard

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<v Speaker 1>to move it. Um. And so those are types of problems, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I can hold my wealth in bitcoin that

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<v Speaker 1>can be cryptographically secured and it costs me zero dollars

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<v Speaker 1>or effort to secure it, and it's portable, how does

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<v Speaker 1>that change the world. I mean, it literally takes care

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<v Speaker 1>of the oldest problem of humanity, and so that's a

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary thing, and so we should all take advantage of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't buy bitcoin through an e t F, take

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<v Speaker 1>custody of it, holding yourself. That's its revolutionary. But now

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<v Speaker 1>back to the futures ETF. So there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things you need to be aware of, um And the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing I want to talk about is something what's

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<v Speaker 1>called the bleed. Alright, the bleed, they're gonna bleed you dry.

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<v Speaker 1>The bleed is a negative contribution to your performance. Because

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of the way these things work. So

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<v Speaker 1>most commodity futures et F s deal with a negative

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<v Speaker 1>role yield. And so what does that mean? In this

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<v Speaker 1>negative roll yield, so each month they're basically they're forced

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<v Speaker 1>by a more expensive contract than the one that's about

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<v Speaker 1>to expire. So we could look at a contract, so

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<v Speaker 1>they have like an October contract, in November contract of

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<v Speaker 1>December contract, etcetera. So let's say, for example, that the

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<v Speaker 1>November contract is three fifteen dollars more expensive than October,

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<v Speaker 1>and then December more expensive than November. So what happens

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<v Speaker 1>is the futures et F passes that that expense what's

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<v Speaker 1>called the bleed. They pass it directly to the holders.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, this type of positively sloping futures curve when

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<v Speaker 1>it's going up in value, it's called contango. You may

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<v Speaker 1>have heard that term before. It's contango. Now contango is

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<v Speaker 1>not your friend, well not if you're a commodity futures

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<v Speaker 1>investor et F investor. It is not your friend because

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<v Speaker 1>basically what's happening is it's bleeding you dry. It's bleeding

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<v Speaker 1>your profits. Each month you have to keep paying those

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<v Speaker 1>fees as they roll that over that contango. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not your friend. Um. And so that's why

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to understand which way you invest into bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>and you understand what type of bleed you might experience

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<v Speaker 1>in a bitcoin futures et F. Now, on a bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>spot et F, there is no bleed, right, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>bleed because they're not rolling over a contract. You're just

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<v Speaker 1>just buying and holding. Now a bit a spot et F,

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<v Speaker 1>which we don't have yet, hopefully we'll get one soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I would prefer we had no et F at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but if we're gonna get one, on the prefers spot

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<v Speaker 1>But They also still come with costs and fees, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the cost to run the fund and for

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<v Speaker 1>their attorneys and you know all that other stuff. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's no negative roll yield. They're not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>roll those fees onto every single month. So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>really big thing. UM. One reason why I really am

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<v Speaker 1>not a fan of this at all. UM. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's some controversy because the SEC is only approving a

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<v Speaker 1>product with the bleed uh and and not one with

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<v Speaker 1>physical storage, right. I don't know why they would do that.

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<v Speaker 1>They say it's for your protection, of course, I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't see how that's possible. But a couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>to know about the e t F. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a huge market. So first of all, I

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier that um, the big win e t F

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<v Speaker 1>was the UM second largest e t F launch in

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<v Speaker 1>history really kind of the first biggest, but we'll call

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<v Speaker 1>it the second biggest. UM. And And the e t

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<v Speaker 1>F market is huge. The global et F market is

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<v Speaker 1>currently about eight trillion dollars and it's growing at over

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six percent per year, which is massive obviously, UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know this this new investment vehicle. It

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<v Speaker 1>does make it super easy for people to buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of people, for example, they can just

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<v Speaker 1>now buy it right from their brokerage account, right from

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<v Speaker 1>their E Trade or Fidelity Charles Schwab account or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So that is nice. It democratizes the investing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in a big way. Um, And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think this just slide right into this eight trillion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>market cap and then grab a pretty large portion of Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, it's growing by twenty six percent a

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<v Speaker 1>year now. Year to date, bitcoins prices up over triple

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<v Speaker 1>digits up. And um, you know, if the futures e

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<v Speaker 1>t F provides a negative twelve precent roll yield, remember

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<v Speaker 1>rolling those fees in every single month, and e t

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<v Speaker 1>F would still have doubled in price, which is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>amazing because there's no other ETLs out there. They are

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<v Speaker 1>doubling in the brice And so I think there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot of demand for this type of

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<v Speaker 1>an ETF. I think we'll see investment managers tripping over

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to finally have something where they can get access

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<v Speaker 1>exposure to the price of the bitcoin without having to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with it, you know, as a commodity, So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's gonna be really big, really big. Now there's

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<v Speaker 1>something else that you need to call a no and

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<v Speaker 1>as a term called cash and carry all right now,

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<v Speaker 1>cash and carry UM is one of the oldest tricks

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<v Speaker 1>in the book. It's the arbitrage and UM. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to understand what this is because there's also

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<v Speaker 1>some risk that could be there as well. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you understand how to play this right, it could actually

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<v Speaker 1>be a pretty big benefit for you. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the cash and carry and then I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to talk about UM. One of the best

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<v Speaker 1>known investors in the world today probably is a billionaire

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<v Speaker 1>venture capitalists invested in all top technology. He says that

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<v Speaker 1>he is under invested UM and he has some very

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<v Speaker 1>important things to say. I think that will provide a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of perspectives. I want to talk about that when

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<v Speaker 1>we get back as well, UM, and we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some countries that are continuing to grow into this

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin as well. Again, is the information that you need

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<v Speaker 1>to participate to to take advantage of. I should say

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<v Speaker 1>of the bitcoin, uh decentralized revolution, the cryptocurrency revolution that's

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now. I have some big news. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to bring it to you. Um, you're listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Mo Show. We'll be right back, all right, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Mark Mo Show where I

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<v Speaker 1>bring to you the latest in information on bitcoin and

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrencies and this decentralized revolution that's happening or right before

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<v Speaker 1>our very eyes. You know, it's interesting when you're living

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<v Speaker 1>through history, you probably don't see it, you don't recognize it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can tell you for sure that history books

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<v Speaker 1>will be written about this very point in time. We're

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<v Speaker 1>living through one of the most volatile times, um, in

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<v Speaker 1>modern history. And you know, I think most people can

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<v Speaker 1>realize how much, how much is how much is changing

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<v Speaker 1>in this world. But what a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 1>probably realize is that there's this huge opportunity sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>front of us. And so that's what I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>bring to you each and every week. Now, before the break,

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about this Bitcoin e t F that

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<v Speaker 1>went through this week. It was the biggest news that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rocked the world. It shot the price of

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin and most of the cryptocurrencies up higher this week. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you know, for a couple of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think one of the big, big, big reason

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously it it brought a lot more access to bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of people are now able to buy

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<v Speaker 1>it directly from their stock trading and account, which is big.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think more than that, it was also just

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<v Speaker 1>the legitimacy factor. I think the legitimacy factor of it

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<v Speaker 1>really helped because of this Bitcoin ETF and meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the biggest complaints or I should

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<v Speaker 1>say objections that people still throw out over bitcoin is

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<v Speaker 1>that the governments are going to make it illegal. People

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<v Speaker 1>still say that all the time, and so they've they've

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<v Speaker 1>told us they're not going to make it illegal. And

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<v Speaker 1>now I think through this UM E t F, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's kind of like the final kind of final

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<v Speaker 1>nail that just says like we're not gonna do it,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're not gonna make it illegal. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>it brought a lot of legitimacy to it. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about UM the two different type, two main

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<v Speaker 1>types of bitcoin E t F. So there's the futures

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<v Speaker 1>based where betting on the future price whether the price

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be higher or lower UM, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>have the spot future where you're actually buying buy it directly. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a spot um E t F. This

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<v Speaker 1>is only a future space et FUM, so that's important

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<v Speaker 1>to understand UM. And then I went through. I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the bleed and a negative rule yield and

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the fees. Basically every month they're gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>passing on too. So I don't really recommend this futures

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<v Speaker 1>et F for most people. I think you're just way

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<v Speaker 1>better off just buying bitcoin directly. But I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about something called the cash and carry. So

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<v Speaker 1>cansh and carry is is pretty interesting and in this

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<v Speaker 1>type of environment it kind of works out um. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's an arbitrage trade. So that means that you

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<v Speaker 1>can buy low, sell high, and make the spread. And

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<v Speaker 1>so basically what you do is you sell the future

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<v Speaker 1>of the commodity and then you buy the spot if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a risk free profit that can be made. And

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<v Speaker 1>so what do I mean by that? So let's say

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<v Speaker 1>that bitcoin right now is at sixty three thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>or six Let's let's just say that hypothetically it's at

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<v Speaker 1>let's use easy numbers, So let's say it's at sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars. Um, I can buy it at spot, but

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<v Speaker 1>I could I could sell a futures for December at

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five thousand, or let's called sixty six thousand. So

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<v Speaker 1>that means I could sell a contract someone would be

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteed to buy bitcoming from me at sixty six thousand

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<v Speaker 1>in December, but I could buy it for sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand today. Well, that means I have a guaranteed one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollar profit, a risk free profit, because someone's already

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<v Speaker 1>entered the contract to buy it from me at that price. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's a cash and carry trade. What I

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<v Speaker 1>would do is I would sell the futures at sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>I would buy it at sixty five, and boom, I

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<v Speaker 1>would instantly book a thousand dollars profit. Now, a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars profit may not sound like that much, but imagine

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a hedge fund with with with billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars going into this, and it's a risk free trade,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty big deal. Now, the risk free trade

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<v Speaker 1>is a big piece of that. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of time talking about that today, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing you have to think about when you're investing

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<v Speaker 1>is you have to think about your risk adjusted return

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<v Speaker 1>and so UM, while you may be able to make

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger return somewhere else, you also have to take

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<v Speaker 1>into a consideration the risk. So a risk free trade

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty amazing. And so I think with the demand

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<v Speaker 1>for bitcoin futures blasting off right now and the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of e t F flows. Remember I talked about as

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<v Speaker 1>an eight trillion dollar market, it's growing by twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>percent a year. With that amount of flows coming into

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<v Speaker 1>e t F s, then I think the future prices

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to go up and up and up, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I would expect more of these arbitragers to come

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<v Speaker 1>into the market and try to bank on that cash

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<v Speaker 1>and carry trade. As they do that, then it should

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<v Speaker 1>continue to push the price of bitcoin up, which means

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to see this and it kind of becomes

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<v Speaker 1>this like self fulfilling prophecy. It's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>price of bitcoin will just continue to skyrocket as this

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<v Speaker 1>chain of events continues on um, you know, real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to jump back into the risk analysis, what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>is that I started buying bitcoin in two thousand fifteen UM.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, it was you know, a couple hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I think three d bucks four hundred bucks at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time, you know, up until you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so from those five years, UM big one was was.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it still is super volatile. I went up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and went up, and it went down and

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<v Speaker 1>went up, dropped up, dropped and I saw this happening

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch and so I wasn't super comfortable buying into it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I finally did, and it was it was still

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<v Speaker 1>very risky, right like, who knows what it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Who knows there was all these other crypto

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 1>currencies coming on board. UM. You know, I knew it

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<v Speaker 1>at some point the government was gonna want to fight

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<v Speaker 1>against it UM and so there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>risk associated with it UM. And so at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was so risky, I only allocated, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit to it UM. And over time, by

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<v Speaker 1>seen it was way more legitimate. UM, it was much bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>It had survived multiple crashes. UM. Now we had the CME,

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<v Speaker 1>the commodities you know, future exchange regulating it, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was way less risky in it was. So I put

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<v Speaker 1>more money into it UM. But today, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>I would have just taken the money I put in

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<v Speaker 1>this year alone, and put that in back in Uh,

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.160
<v Speaker 1>you probably never would have heard of me. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have been gone long gone by now, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why it's because there was so much

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<v Speaker 1>risk back then. Now there's now, you know, there's less risk.

0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm putting in more money, I would say today, especially

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<v Speaker 1>now with this EF, I would say we're sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much I mean, the lowest amount of risk that

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<v Speaker 1>you could imagine with still an amazing return. So going

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<v Speaker 1>back to you know, an investor looking for a risk

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<v Speaker 1>adjusted return, and I've been I've been a full time

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<v Speaker 1>investor for over over two decades now, I've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>in my entire life, in my entire career, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen this good I'm going a risk adjusted return ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's that's pretty amazing to think about. As

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about that risk perspective. UM. Some other things

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<v Speaker 1>that are cool. I think about this et F is

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<v Speaker 1>that when you look at technology, UM, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>a new technology reaches adoption or UM you know, breaks

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<v Speaker 1>out into the marketplace is always predictable. All right. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's something called UM. There's something called the diffusion

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<v Speaker 1>of innovation. All right, So the diffusion of innovation basically,

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<v Speaker 1>it basically kind of charts how that diffusion, how it

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<v Speaker 1>gets down, how that that adoption happens, all right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so um, you've probably all seen this like Bell curve

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<v Speaker 1>chart where you have, like, um, the innovators in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have like the early adopters, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you have the early majority, and then the late majority

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<v Speaker 1>and then the laggers. So you've probably seen it like

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<v Speaker 1>this upside down. It's like a Bell curve chart. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you've if you've ever looked at that, you have

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<v Speaker 1>the innovators, the techies, then the early adopters which are

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<v Speaker 1>the visionaries, and then there's a gap there. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a gap there. It's called the chasm. And what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about that chasm is that there was a book written

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<v Speaker 1>about it by Geoffrey moore Is. He wrote a book

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<v Speaker 1>called Crossing the Chasm, and he explains that the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why there's a chasm between the early adopters and the

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<v Speaker 1>early majority, um is because of that chasm, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest gap to close, and it's right around eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>and a half percent adoption. So the innovators that they're

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<v Speaker 1>like five the early adopters like another ten percent adoption,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's that chasm. And in order to cross

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<v Speaker 1>the chasm, to go from the visionaries the true believers,

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<v Speaker 1>to go from them to the early majority, there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be a mental shift, right, something has to change

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<v Speaker 1>for that to happen and to bring those in. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to explain to you really what that is, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what does that mental shift that has to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>And then more importantly, what happens once we crossed the chasm?

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<v Speaker 1>And then even more importantly, where are we in that

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<v Speaker 1>right now? Where are we at in that chasm? And

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<v Speaker 1>what does this Bitcoin e t F have to do

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<v Speaker 1>with it? Um, There's also another piece of another model

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>that we would use, and it's called an S curve,

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<v Speaker 1>And an S curve is also used to measure, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this diffusion of innovation or this this adoption cycle. And

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<v Speaker 1>we can take this S curve and we can overlay

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<v Speaker 1>it on top of the Bell curve diffusion chart. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you might be pretty surprised with the answer. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're following me on Twitter, UM, I've put some

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<v Speaker 1>of this onto my Twitter a few days ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually see the charts and see how I've

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<v Speaker 1>overlaid them. I'll explain it to you here on the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're not following me on Twitter already you should.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just number one Mark Moss again, number one Mark

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 1>Moss on Twitter and Instagram. Send me ms said, shout

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>at me. Ask me a question. I'll make sure to

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>answer it live um next week. And of course you're

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>listening to the Mark mos Show. We're talking about bitcoin,

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrencies and the decentralized Revolution. And I'll be right back.

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, welcome back. You're listening to them show. We're

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about bitcoin, We're talking about cryptocurrencies and the decentralized revolution.

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>We have been talking about the price breaking new all

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>time highs. We've been talking about the catalyst that we're

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>involved in that from China banning it, which was pushing

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>more people into it. We talked about how the government

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>of the United States says they won't ban it, and

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>now how Wall Street has adopted it with this e

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 1>t F, which I think is really big news. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I was explained to the differences of the two different

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>types of e t F, the dangers, the really the

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>risks that are associated with some of them that you

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>need to be careful of. How I think you should

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 1>be buying it, which spoiler alert is don't buy it

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 1>through then ETF, just buy it directly. UM. And then

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I was going into talking about this adoption cycle and

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>how there's these kind of dependable models that new technology

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<v Speaker 1>goes through, and I was explaining how in this book

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<v Speaker 1>by Geoffrey Moore, UM, there's a book titled The Crossing

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>the Chasm, and it talks about how any new technology

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of goes to this this bell curve where it's innovators,

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>early adopters UM to early ority, late majority, and laggers

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<v Speaker 1>and this, UH, this in between the early adopters, the

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<v Speaker 1>visionaries and the early majority is this thing called the chasm.

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<v Speaker 1>And the chasm is about at about an eighteen percent

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>adoption rate, so about eighteen percent of the population would

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<v Speaker 1>be using at that point. And it's the hardest part

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to get over. And the reason why is because, UM,

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the mind shift has to happen because the visionaries are

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 1>like the true believers. But then it's hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>the early majority in and so we really have to

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<v Speaker 1>change the entire way the market looks at it and UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, well, we we we have that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we have this S curve. And S curve is another

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>model where we can also look at adoption. And so

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>when we look at S curve, basically the way an

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>ES curve works is imagine a S lane on its side,

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<v Speaker 1>so you kind of have the S at the bottom,

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>and then it makes a left turn going up vertical,

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and then it kind of makes a right turn or

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<v Speaker 1>curve I should say, a right curve, and then goes

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<v Speaker 1>kind of horizontal again. And and so the S curve

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<v Speaker 1>the way it works is UM. However long it takes

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<v Speaker 1>for a new technology to get to ten percent adoption

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<v Speaker 1>is typically the time that it would take to go

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<v Speaker 1>from ten to adoption. So for example, UM, well, for

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<v Speaker 1>for for for this purpose, UM, it took about ten

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>years for Bitcoin to reach about ten percent of the adoption.

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>So then that means that then UM, it should take

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<v Speaker 1>another ten years to get to So that means that

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>it should happen by about which is about eight years

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<v Speaker 1>from now. Now, if we take that S curve and

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>then we lay that over the UM the upside down

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>bell curve, this diffusion of innovation UM, and remember the

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>chasm sits right around that UM line. We can if

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>we lay the S curve over this bell curve, we

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:58.479
<v Speaker 1>can see that the current amount of bitcoin adoption today

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>sits right at this chasm. And remember to cross the

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>chasm is when things really take off, they blow up.

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>And the reason why it's because we have to change

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the perception UM to get across that chasm. And I

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>think that that is what is happening right now. Remember UM.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest objections people have is that it

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<v Speaker 1>can be made illegal, and UM we've seen in the

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<v Speaker 1>last week or two both ahead of the SEC, Gary

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Gensler and the head of the Jeroan Powell, both said

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<v Speaker 1>they won't make bitcoin illegal. And then we got the

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin e t F. And I think even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the best vehicle to buy bitcoin UM or own bitcoin,

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>well you don't even own it, right, all you're doing

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>is betting on the price. What it does is it

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<v Speaker 1>changes the perception, right. It changes the perspective where people

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>who think that you know, um, Wall Streets legitimate, and

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>now there's a legitimate Wall Street fund for a bitcoin.

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It changes the perception. And that's exactly what has to

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<v Speaker 1>happen to go from the visionary to the early majority.

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>And remember at the S curve is when things really

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<v Speaker 1>start taking off, right, So ten years to get to

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<v Speaker 1>tempercent adoption and then another ten years to go from

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent to adoptions. That's like a parabolic run. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's where we're going. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>this et F represents UM, and I think we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to see fireworks. Now. Of course there's bigger catalysts,

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and we talked about them all the time. We saw,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not just what's going on in the United States,

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>but of course we're seeing you know, El Salvador, a

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>nation now has started adopting it UM and and that's

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>only been continuing to grow. UM. They passed a law

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<v Speaker 1>September seven, so I don't know, six weeks ago approximately,

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<v Speaker 1>UM to make a bitcoin legal tender in El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what they did is they created their own wallet,

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<v Speaker 1>and anybody in El Salvador that downloaded the wallet was

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<v Speaker 1>given thirty dollars of a free bitcoin just for downloading

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the wallet and using it, which was pretty cool. Since

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>that time, anybody that got that free bitcoin and has

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>sat on it has seen their wealth grow by about

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty five percent, so that's pretty cool. Um. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>also seen massive bitcoin adoption happening. Um More people I

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<v Speaker 1>think are using bitcoin wallets than are using bank accounts

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>in El Salvador now, which is pretty amazing. Um. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we saw an airline Valarus Airline said now you can

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<v Speaker 1>start paying for your airline tickets in bitcoin, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're just I mean, things are just really really really

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<v Speaker 1>starting to escalate super super fast, which is pretty interesting

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<v Speaker 1>as we continue to see this this uh, this progress.

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<v Speaker 1>I was also talking about wanting to kind of jump

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<v Speaker 1>in and talk about one of the maybe most well known,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, billionaire venture capitalist, Peter Thiel. He's famous for

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<v Speaker 1>being involved in PayPal and running some of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>incubators in Silicon Valley, and he's also kind of somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>known and uh known in the bitcoin world um as

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<v Speaker 1>as being an early bitcoin investor, which is not typical

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>for these venture capitalists. UM, but he he is one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, um that that has come in early. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was at a it was at a meeting this

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<v Speaker 1>last week and he said some pretty interesting things and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that he said was that, well

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>he was he was kind of drawing this comparison. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a tech billionaire, right, That's how he new his money,

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>being at the front end of these things. And he

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<v Speaker 1>basically praised bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and then he slammed the

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>central banks at the same time. This is on a

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday of this week. And um, he said, quote, you're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to just buy bitcoin. End quote what he said,

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to buy it. There's a term hoddler h

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<v Speaker 1>o d l hold on for dear life, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just buy and just hoddle it as it buy and

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<v Speaker 1>hoddle it. Um. And then he went on he said, quote,

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've been under invested in it. End quote. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>anytime you buy an investment and it goes up in value,

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<v Speaker 1>especially a big value like this, you're always going to

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're under invested. Dang it, I should have

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<v Speaker 1>bought more. It's going to be the typical response. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny that he said that, but that's a

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<v Speaker 1>typical response. But also, um, if you bought something to

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<v Speaker 1>hope it goes up in value and it goes down

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<v Speaker 1>in value, then you also say the second thing, the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, dang it, why did I put so much money?

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<v Speaker 1>In UM. So it's it's kind of funny to see

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<v Speaker 1>someone as as as experienced as he is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>still have that same kind of fomo approach or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>that most of us would have, where he's like, dang,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I'm under invested. Um. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course some of the real bitcoin believers, like myself says

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<v Speaker 1>that if you still have any cash to put into bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're probably underinvested, and so he's probably there. But

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<v Speaker 1>I really love what he said. After that, he went

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<v Speaker 1>on to say something, So, what have I been repeating

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<v Speaker 1>over and over every single show and uh, this whole episode.

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I keep talking about having uh an asymmetric opportunity, right,

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>more upside than downside. And I talk about UM having

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<v Speaker 1>that asymmetric opportunity, and the way to take advantage of

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it is to have asymmetric information. Right, I say it

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<v Speaker 1>over and over, say it all the time. Well, he

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<v Speaker 1>said um Fiel said his only hesitation about investing was

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<v Speaker 1>that he thought, quote the secret was already known by

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<v Speaker 1>everybody end quote mm hmm. His hesitation, so he said

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he was under invested. Why was he under invested? Well,

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 1>his hesitation was he thought the secret was already known

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<v Speaker 1>by everybody. He thought he didn't have an edge, He

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<v Speaker 1>thought he didn't have asymmetric information. Then he goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to say he concluded that quote I think the answers

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<v Speaker 1>are still go along and quote maybe it's still is

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<v Speaker 1>enough of a secret. Wow, one of the biggest and

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<v Speaker 1>Welsh most well known venture capitalist tech investors UM didn't

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<v Speaker 1>buy enough. He says he's regrets he's underinvested because he

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was too well known. But now he realized,

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>quote maybe it's still enough of a secret, and it

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>certainly is. Go out to them all, go out to

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<v Speaker 1>a park, talk to a hundred people. Asked him how

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.839
<v Speaker 1>many people UM own bitcoin? And you're gonna find out

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>hardly anybody knows about it. Uh. The information they have

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:03.280
<v Speaker 1>is wrong and not equipped to take advantage of this opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's why you're listening to me, That's why you're

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<v Speaker 1>join with me each and every week. UM, I'm bringing

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you the asymmetric information that you need to take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of this asymmetric opportunity. So pull up your phone, put

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<v Speaker 1>a reminder to come back each and every week at

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<v Speaker 1>this time this channel, and of course send me a

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0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.560
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Moss. Thanks for listening.