1 00:00:02,430 --> 00:00:06,689 Speaker 1: Happy Saturday! Since we mentioned Alexandra of Bavaria, the princess 2 00:00:06,730 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: who believed she had swallowed a glass piano, on one 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: of this week's episodes, we are bringing our episode on 4 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:15,780 Speaker 1: her and on the glass delusion that affected her as 5 00:00:15,820 --> 00:00:19,700 Speaker 1: today's Saturday classic. This episode originally came out on April 24th, 2013, 6 00:00:19,690 --> 00:00:25,020 Speaker 1: only a few weeks after we joined the show. Also, 7 00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:28,210 Speaker 1: I will say I characterize myself as an anxious, neurotic 8 00:00:28,250 --> 00:00:31,150 Speaker 1: person in this, and I will say after many years 9 00:00:31,210 --> 00:00:34,309 Speaker 1: of working on this, that is less true than it 10 00:00:34,390 --> 00:00:42,089 Speaker 1: was in 2013. So enjoy. Welcome to Stuff You Missed 11 00:00:42,130 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio. iHeartRadio. Hello and 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,500 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I am Tracy V. Wilson. And 13 00:00:58,540 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Frey. And today we're going to talk about 14 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: a very curious case of a delusion that doesn't really 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,860 Speaker 1: exist anymore. Princess Alexandra Amalia of Bavaria was part of 16 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:13,290 Speaker 1: the House of Wittelsbach, which ruled Bavaria for more than 17 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:17,650 Speaker 1: 700 years until the early 20th century. She was born 18 00:01:17,709 --> 00:01:19,429 Speaker 1: on August 26, 1826, and was one of nine children. 19 00:01:22,580 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: Most of these were pretty notable royal people, and she 20 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:28,070 Speaker 1: has plenty of relatives who were a lot more famous 21 00:01:28,270 --> 00:01:31,070 Speaker 1: or maybe infamous than she was. One of them that 22 00:01:31,110 --> 00:01:34,750 Speaker 1: jumps out is her nephew, Ludwig II, who was also 23 00:01:34,810 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: called Mad King Ludwig. He was known for deeply eccentric 24 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,060 Speaker 1: behavior and for a fairytale castle that he built and 25 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: for his suspicious death. So Katie and Sarah did a 26 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,580 Speaker 1: podcast on all of that back in 2010, and they 27 00:01:49,940 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: brought up Alexandra's own dubious claim to fame in that episode, 28 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: which is her belief that she had swallowed a glass piano. 29 00:01:56,780 --> 00:02:00,090 Speaker 1: Which is quite something to believe. It is, and a 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,290 Speaker 1: little context might help us all wrap our heads around 31 00:02:03,310 --> 00:02:09,010 Speaker 1: this very particular delusion. So for familial background, the princess's 32 00:02:09,070 --> 00:02:12,549 Speaker 1: father was Ludwig I of Bavaria, and he was known 33 00:02:12,610 --> 00:02:17,390 Speaker 1: for being a bad poet, a really great patron of 34 00:02:17,410 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: the arts, and a notorious womanizer. So he sounds like 35 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:24,340 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. He had many affairs, unfortunately, and 36 00:02:24,380 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: decorated a room in the palace with portraits of beautiful women. 37 00:02:28,139 --> 00:02:30,900 Speaker 1: And he also had a large birthmark on his forehead, 38 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,500 Speaker 1: and that's actually left out of most depictions of him. 39 00:02:34,150 --> 00:02:38,590 Speaker 1: Her mother was Therese of Saxe-Hildberghausen, and she married Ludwig 40 00:02:38,870 --> 00:02:42,940 Speaker 1: on October 12, 1810, and their wedding festival sparked the 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,459 Speaker 1: tradition that has led to today's Oktoberfest. Therese had a 42 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,380 Speaker 1: hand in ruling the kingdom, and the people were extremely 43 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,370 Speaker 1: fond of her, especially as she put up with all 44 00:02:53,389 --> 00:02:56,590 Speaker 1: of Ludwig's affairs. She got a lot of sympathy from people. 45 00:02:57,850 --> 00:03:01,390 Speaker 1: Alexandra's father left the throne pretty abruptly. He had started 46 00:03:01,450 --> 00:03:04,340 Speaker 1: a really public affair with Lola Montes, and she was 47 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:07,780 Speaker 1: an Irish woman who was pretending to be a Spanish aristocrat. 48 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: The people of Munich hated her. She was coarse, and 49 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: she swore, and she was disrespectful to the queen, who, 50 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: as we just said, they really loved. And she seemed 51 00:03:19,060 --> 00:03:22,860 Speaker 1: to have a really big influence on the king's opinions. Meanwhile, 52 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:25,169 Speaker 1: the king had given her a title, money, and a job. 53 00:03:25,410 --> 00:03:29,070 Speaker 1: and a home, so she was super unpopular. And in 54 00:03:29,110 --> 00:03:31,970 Speaker 1: the wake of the affair, Ludwig abdicated the throne and 55 00:03:32,070 --> 00:03:36,450 Speaker 1: Alexandra's brother succeeded him. Her brother ruled as Maximilian II 56 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:41,750 Speaker 1: from 1848 to 1864. Often this is portrayed as the 57 00:03:41,770 --> 00:03:44,029 Speaker 1: king left the throne because of the affair, and that 58 00:03:44,050 --> 00:03:46,970 Speaker 1: was really just one piece of the puzzle. There were 59 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,260 Speaker 1: other things going on. There were other revolts going on 60 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,310 Speaker 1: against the monarchy in other parts of Europe at the time. Plus, 61 00:03:54,470 --> 00:03:57,930 Speaker 1: Ludwig had a pretty liberal reputation when he ascended to 62 00:03:57,950 --> 00:04:00,790 Speaker 1: the throne, and people were disappointed that the decisions that 63 00:04:00,830 --> 00:04:03,250 Speaker 1: he made as king didn't really match up with what 64 00:04:03,290 --> 00:04:05,970 Speaker 1: they had expected of him when he rose to power. 65 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: They also didn't really like the decisions that he was making, 66 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,820 Speaker 1: which they attributed to Lola's influence. So it wasn't just 67 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: that he had had this scandalous affair going on. There 68 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,770 Speaker 1: were other things that led him to abdicate. That was 69 00:04:19,810 --> 00:04:22,170 Speaker 1: just one of the big items that people can easily 70 00:04:22,210 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: point to. Right. And speaking of Lola, a mob burned 71 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,110 Speaker 1: down her house after the abdication and she ended up 72 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:33,350 Speaker 1: fleeing and running to London. So all of this happened 73 00:04:33,529 --> 00:04:37,130 Speaker 1: when Alexander was about 22. She was the only one 74 00:04:37,150 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: of her siblings apart from one who died in infancy 75 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: who never got married, and only one of her siblings 76 00:04:43,220 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: hadn't yet gotten married when all of this happened. So 77 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: Alexander was still living at home, and she was pretty 78 00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:51,779 Speaker 1: set apart from the rest of her family at this point. 79 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,220 Speaker 1: And it was a very public royal family. People, you know, 80 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: knew all of them. Her siblings were married to royalty 81 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,020 Speaker 1: in many other houses. And the family was really hit 82 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,460 Speaker 1: hard by this scandal and abdication. And Alexandra's health and 83 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:10,849 Speaker 1: mental illness were already a little bit frail. She wasn't 84 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,229 Speaker 1: really hardy and she was super preoccupied with cleanliness and 85 00:05:15,270 --> 00:05:17,850 Speaker 1: she would wear only white. So she already had some 86 00:05:18,410 --> 00:05:21,910 Speaker 1: behaviors that were a little bit obsessive and suggested that 87 00:05:22,010 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: she was not quite perfectly balanced. Right. So... Just because 88 00:05:27,180 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: one thing happened after another thing, it doesn't mean the 89 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: first thing caused the second thing. But this must have 90 00:05:32,980 --> 00:05:35,930 Speaker 1: been a really difficult time for somebody who was already 91 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:39,210 Speaker 1: pretty isolated and not in good health. And within a 92 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:44,310 Speaker 1: year of her father's abdication, when Alexandra was 23, her 93 00:05:44,370 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: parents saw her walking sideways, clearly struggling in the palace. 94 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: And when her parents asked her what was wrong, she 95 00:05:53,020 --> 00:05:56,140 Speaker 1: told them that when she was a child... She had 96 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,180 Speaker 1: actually swallowed a grand piano made of glass. And she 97 00:06:00,220 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: was consequently frightened that if she bumped into anything, she 98 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,460 Speaker 1: would shatter. That the piano that she believed she was 99 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: still carrying inside of her would break apart. Yes. So 100 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:13,430 Speaker 1: there are two things that are particularly strange in this delusion. 101 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:16,550 Speaker 1: And one is that she believed she had swallowed something 102 00:06:16,589 --> 00:06:19,570 Speaker 1: that was much, much bigger than she was. She believed 103 00:06:19,610 --> 00:06:22,930 Speaker 1: it to be an entire grand piano. And the other 104 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:25,630 Speaker 1: is that she became to believe as an adult that 105 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:28,010 Speaker 1: she had already done this when she was a child 106 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:31,730 Speaker 1: and that the piano was still inside of her. It 107 00:06:31,790 --> 00:06:35,670 Speaker 1: caused her physical distress and it made her really, really 108 00:06:35,750 --> 00:06:41,190 Speaker 1: careful in how she moved around. And roughly a year 109 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,540 Speaker 1: or so later in 1850, she was actually treated for 110 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:47,740 Speaker 1: this delusion in a mental institution. It seems like she 111 00:06:47,779 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 1: made some recovery there. In 1852, she started to publish 112 00:06:52,180 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: books of stories, essays, poems, and other work, and she 113 00:06:56,660 --> 00:07:00,500 Speaker 1: also worked in children's theater. Eventually, she went to a 114 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:03,230 Speaker 1: convent in Munich, and she spent much of her later 115 00:07:03,250 --> 00:07:06,710 Speaker 1: life there, and eventually even became an abbess. Which seems 116 00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:09,289 Speaker 1: like she must have been doing better at this point. 117 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:11,910 Speaker 1: You wouldn't quite get into a position of authority if 118 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:15,810 Speaker 1: you were having that sort of problem. Yeah. Yeah. She 119 00:07:15,850 --> 00:07:18,150 Speaker 1: died at the family's summer palace at the age of 120 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:32,170 Speaker 1: 49 on September 21st, 1875. But she is not the 121 00:07:32,210 --> 00:07:35,950 Speaker 1: only person historically who has had the glass delusion. No, 122 00:07:36,210 --> 00:07:40,970 Speaker 1: that's an actual delusion that was cited pretty often between 123 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:43,350 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages and all the way into the early 124 00:07:43,370 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: 19th century. It's maybe not something that was super common, 125 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,980 Speaker 1: but it was prevalent enough that it appears in both 126 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:54,860 Speaker 1: medical writing and in literature from the time. Basically, people 127 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: became convinced that they were either turning into glass or 128 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,260 Speaker 1: that they were made out of glass or that they 129 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: had turned into a glass object, like a flask. This 130 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,850 Speaker 1: is usually cited as a urinal, which was just the 131 00:08:06,890 --> 00:08:10,130 Speaker 1: word that was used for a little glass jar kind 132 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:13,750 Speaker 1: of thing, or a lamp. They would be really careful 133 00:08:13,810 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: not to get bumped or jostled or come into contact 134 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,860 Speaker 1: with anything hard because people who had this delusion were 135 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:23,300 Speaker 1: afraid that they would shatter. And it often came, naturally, 136 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:28,350 Speaker 1: with an extreme preoccupation with protecting themselves and avoiding contact 137 00:08:28,410 --> 00:08:32,790 Speaker 1: with others. Some people were even afraid that loud noises 138 00:08:32,870 --> 00:08:35,340 Speaker 1: would break them. So at that point, they would have 139 00:08:35,380 --> 00:08:39,459 Speaker 1: to be not touching anyone or in a quiet place. Right. 140 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: Kind of an isolation that probably would propagate the delusion 141 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: even further. Yeah. But a lot of times people were 142 00:08:47,780 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: afraid that their buttocks were glass and that they would 143 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: shatter if they sat down on anything hard. This whole 144 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,010 Speaker 1: idea of being breakable and being afraid that you're going 145 00:08:57,030 --> 00:09:00,030 Speaker 1: to break was also not really new as a delusion. 146 00:09:00,110 --> 00:09:02,510 Speaker 1: But before the Middle Ages, people thought that they were 147 00:09:02,550 --> 00:09:06,589 Speaker 1: made of pottery. rather than glass. But the core idea 148 00:09:06,650 --> 00:09:09,190 Speaker 1: was still there of, if someone touches me too hard, 149 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: I will break. And at the time, this delusion was 150 00:09:12,580 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: tied to melancholia, and it was generally among people who 151 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,940 Speaker 1: were very isolated and withdrawn from the company of other people. 152 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: And a lot of times, people who had this delusion 153 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:24,179 Speaker 1: also had photophobia, and they wanted to stay out of 154 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: the sun. The first medical report of the condition may 155 00:09:29,020 --> 00:09:32,420 Speaker 1: have been around 1561, and it was in a treatise 156 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: by the Dutch physician Lemnius, who described a man who 157 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,819 Speaker 1: would not sit down because he believed his buttocks were glass. 158 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: Charles VI of France also allegedly had this condition and 159 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: believed that his whole body was glass, so he wouldn't 160 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: let people touch him, and he had special clothing that 161 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,939 Speaker 1: was reinforced with ribs made so that he could wear 162 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,089 Speaker 1: that and then not break. And more than one physician 163 00:09:56,150 --> 00:10:00,829 Speaker 1: to royalty has described this condition. Alphonse Ponce de Santa Cruz, 164 00:10:00,870 --> 00:10:04,100 Speaker 1: who was the physician to Philip II of Spain, described 165 00:10:04,170 --> 00:10:08,300 Speaker 1: it around 1614. He described it as an unnamed person, 166 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: in this case, possibly a prince that thought he was 167 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: made of glass. And his physician told him to lie 168 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: in a straw bed so that he wouldn't break. And 169 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: then the bed was conveniently set ablaze, forcing the prince 170 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:26,530 Speaker 1: to move quickly without consequently breaking, and that relieved him 171 00:10:26,570 --> 00:10:29,130 Speaker 1: of the delusion. Kind of reminds me of cartoons like 172 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:31,929 Speaker 1: hitting the person on the head with amnesia again to 173 00:10:32,429 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: make their amnesia stop. Yes. André du Laurent, who was 174 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: the chief physician to Henry IV, also described that case 175 00:10:41,260 --> 00:10:46,090 Speaker 1: in his writings. Yes. Louis de Cazeneuve, who was the 176 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:50,349 Speaker 1: royal physician in France, described a glassmaker who constantly wore 177 00:10:50,390 --> 00:10:53,089 Speaker 1: a cushion because he believed, again, his buttocks were made 178 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:58,470 Speaker 1: of glass. And that doctor allegedly cured him by spanking him. So, again, 179 00:10:58,510 --> 00:11:01,790 Speaker 1: just proving that what the person believed was not the case. Right. 180 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:06,220 Speaker 1: People also described that they had glass hearts or glass 181 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: heads or glass chests that had to be protected. And 182 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,660 Speaker 1: there's one theory that most of the people... who described 183 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,860 Speaker 1: being afraid that they were glass were educated people. And 184 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: they may have heard of this syndrome in medical writings, 185 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,020 Speaker 1: and that may have contributed to eventually developing the delusion, 186 00:11:26,610 --> 00:11:32,490 Speaker 1: obviously based on other tendencies to be afraid and having 187 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:35,530 Speaker 1: other mental things going on. Right. So it may have 188 00:11:36,110 --> 00:11:39,490 Speaker 1: just shaped kind of the way that their delusion developed 189 00:11:39,790 --> 00:11:43,820 Speaker 1: rather than being a spontaneous thought of their own. And 190 00:11:43,860 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: psychological writings at the time attributed many causes to this delusion, 191 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: including the preoccupation with chastity, purity, and fortune. And glass, 192 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,900 Speaker 1: we should note, was tied to fortune in folklore and 193 00:11:55,940 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: literature because of its fragility. So fortune may turn on 194 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 1: you as easily as glass may break was kind of 195 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: the underlying theme there. There were also physiological explanations at 196 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: the time. including that the people's brains were too dry, 197 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: and that was tied to melancholia in general. And the 198 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:18,950 Speaker 1: glass delusion, as you mentioned a little while ago, also 199 00:12:19,010 --> 00:12:24,050 Speaker 1: appears a lot in literature. In the 1607 allegorical play Lingua, 200 00:12:24,410 --> 00:12:27,709 Speaker 1: most likely by English playwright Thomas Tomkiss, there is a 201 00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: character who believes he has become a glass urinal. There's 202 00:12:31,420 --> 00:12:36,300 Speaker 1: also the 1613 short story The Glass Graduate by Cervantes. 203 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,740 Speaker 1: His main character, Thomas Rodaja, is obsessed with the idea 204 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:44,370 Speaker 1: that he's made of glass. He wouldn't wear restrictive clothing. 205 00:12:44,870 --> 00:12:47,010 Speaker 1: He would drink water from his hands instead of a 206 00:12:47,090 --> 00:12:50,489 Speaker 1: cup and sleep in haylofts. And he would walk in 207 00:12:50,530 --> 00:12:52,350 Speaker 1: the middle of the road because he was scared that 208 00:12:52,390 --> 00:12:54,819 Speaker 1: if he walked by the side that he could be 209 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: shattered if roof tiles fell on him. In this story, 210 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,540 Speaker 1: he winds up with this delusion because of an aphrodisiac 211 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: that has gone horribly wrong. In 1621, in The Anatomy 212 00:13:05,780 --> 00:13:10,069 Speaker 1: of Melancholy, Robert Burton writes about this delusion under Symptoms 213 00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:12,350 Speaker 1: or Signs in the Mind, and he ties it to 214 00:13:12,410 --> 00:13:17,449 Speaker 1: a fear of devil's death and danger. The 17th century 215 00:13:17,510 --> 00:13:20,550 Speaker 1: writer Paulo de Medina was a Spanish writer who had 216 00:13:20,570 --> 00:13:23,170 Speaker 1: a character who was a dandy and believed his bottom 217 00:13:23,230 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: was made of glass. And he had to commit himself 218 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: to an asylum after cracking it while answering the call 219 00:13:29,540 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: of nature. And this is sort of my personal note. 220 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,470 Speaker 1: This series of stories about people who believe they are 221 00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:40,710 Speaker 1: glass and might break really reminds me of the possibly 222 00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:44,130 Speaker 1: apocryphal story about the person who does too much LSD 223 00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:45,929 Speaker 1: and then starts to think that he's a glass of 224 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:49,370 Speaker 1: orange juice. If anybody touches him, he's going to spill. 225 00:13:49,470 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Both of these have this same underlying sense of... Fear 226 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,020 Speaker 1: and the Dangers of Taboo Behaviors. I had not heard 227 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: that one until it came up in this podcast research. 228 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: I heard it in high school. I never heard that one. 229 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,380 Speaker 1: And it's on Snopes. I believe it. I just missed 230 00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:10,210 Speaker 1: that one. Other people than me have heard it. They 231 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:14,650 Speaker 1: just have similarities. Yeah, there are commonalities for sure in 232 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:19,010 Speaker 1: how they express a sense of this odd fear and, 233 00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:23,500 Speaker 1: as you said, like the... Taboo behaviors. The dangers of 234 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: not behaving properly. Right. And there is a lot of 235 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,239 Speaker 1: modern research on these delusions as well. Well, there have 236 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: been modern writers who have kind of gone through and 237 00:14:31,540 --> 00:14:35,670 Speaker 1: documented all of the various citations of the glass delusion 238 00:14:35,710 --> 00:14:38,590 Speaker 1: in medical literature and in literature. There are other things 239 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:42,250 Speaker 1: that have been documented that we didn't go over here 240 00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:44,850 Speaker 1: because then it would just be a list of names 241 00:14:44,910 --> 00:14:47,420 Speaker 1: and dates and that would be annoying. But the BBC 242 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: did an audio program called The Glass Piano in 2012. 243 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: And in it, an actor plays Princess Alexandra, and then 244 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,590 Speaker 1: they interview modern scholars to offer some commentary about this 245 00:14:58,630 --> 00:15:01,810 Speaker 1: delusion that she experienced and sort of how she might 246 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:06,650 Speaker 1: have come to this state. Psychoanalyst Susie Orbach says that 247 00:15:06,690 --> 00:15:10,510 Speaker 1: it was important that Alexandra's piano was specifically a piano 248 00:15:10,630 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: and not another glass thing. Piano, of course, means soft. 249 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,110 Speaker 1: And what she thought she swallowed was huge and fragile. 250 00:15:18,420 --> 00:15:20,170 Speaker 1: But if she had been able to, she could have 251 00:15:20,250 --> 00:15:24,110 Speaker 1: used it to make music. Historian Erin Sullivan talks in 252 00:15:24,130 --> 00:15:27,550 Speaker 1: the program about doing work into the history of emotions. 253 00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: And she specifically talks about the history of sadness. And... 254 00:15:32,110 --> 00:15:36,130 Speaker 1: Sullivan talks about the connection between melancholy and the glass delusion. 255 00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:39,010 Speaker 1: A lot of times the underlying fear was the fear 256 00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: of being vulnerable. So men would be afraid that their 257 00:15:42,020 --> 00:15:45,060 Speaker 1: body was becoming glass and they would remove themselves from 258 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,260 Speaker 1: society to protect themselves so that they wouldn't have to 259 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,860 Speaker 1: have that vulnerability in front of other people. In Sullivan's opinion, 260 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Alexandra's delusion may have been an expression of her underlying fragility. 261 00:15:57,420 --> 00:16:00,930 Speaker 1: And she does, in portraits, seem quite fragile. She casts a, 262 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,660 Speaker 1: there is an air about her where she looks delicate. 263 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,140 Speaker 1: It's very, she's very pensive. Her portrait was painted for 264 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: her father's gallery of beauties. And in it, she's really pale. 265 00:16:11,780 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: She's dressed all in white. As we said earlier, she 266 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:16,620 Speaker 1: went through a period where she would only wear white. 267 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: And she just has a very fragile and pensive air 268 00:16:19,820 --> 00:16:22,970 Speaker 1: about her. So, You and I were talking earlier about 269 00:16:23,010 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: how it's not really a far walk to go from 270 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: being really uncomfortable around people and withdrawing from people and 271 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: feeling isolated and being afraid of being hurt to starting 272 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: to believe that you're made of something that will break 273 00:16:38,580 --> 00:16:40,860 Speaker 1: if you're hurt. Yeah. I mean, you can see how 274 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,570 Speaker 1: someone who is isolated, there's nothing to stop that delusion 275 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:49,609 Speaker 1: from developing. Right. Everything they're doing on their own is 276 00:16:49,630 --> 00:16:52,460 Speaker 1: sort of supporting it. Unlike the instances we cited where 277 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:56,580 Speaker 1: physicians kind of did like an extreme immersive shock therapy 278 00:16:56,620 --> 00:16:59,220 Speaker 1: of like, no, you're not going to break. You're just fine. 279 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,820 Speaker 1: You know, not everyone had that. And so the delusion 280 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,230 Speaker 1: just kind of grows and takes on a life of 281 00:17:06,310 --> 00:17:09,710 Speaker 1: its own. Becomes very consuming. So that is the story 282 00:17:09,770 --> 00:17:12,570 Speaker 1: of the princess who swallowed the glass piano. I really 283 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:16,130 Speaker 1: empathize with her. Yeah? Yeah. Do you think you swallowed something? 284 00:17:16,190 --> 00:17:18,450 Speaker 1: I do not think I've swallowed anything. I don't think 285 00:17:18,510 --> 00:17:20,610 Speaker 1: I've swallowed something glass, but I can, you know, I'm 286 00:17:20,650 --> 00:17:25,389 Speaker 1: kind of a neurotic, anxious person. I can sort of 287 00:17:25,430 --> 00:17:28,669 Speaker 1: see if I were living in a palace when my 288 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:31,910 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters had all gotten married and gone off 289 00:17:31,950 --> 00:17:35,010 Speaker 1: to live their own lives in other palaces elsewhere. And 290 00:17:35,030 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: I didn't really have anybody to talk to. And I 291 00:17:36,670 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: was already kind of of a neurotic mindset. I can 292 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:42,070 Speaker 1: sort of see. Yeah. Getting to that point. In the 293 00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:45,270 Speaker 1: isolated halls of the castle where my father had been 294 00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:48,510 Speaker 1: forced from the throne to be replaced by my brother. Yeah, 295 00:17:48,570 --> 00:17:50,149 Speaker 1: it is, as you said, a short walk. I mean, 296 00:17:50,190 --> 00:17:57,780 Speaker 1: it's easy to see how that happens. Thanks so much 297 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: for joining us on this Saturday. If you'd like to 298 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: send us a note, our email address is historypodcast at iheartradio.com. 299 00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:08,850 Speaker 1: And you can subscribe to the show on the iHeartRadio app, 300 00:18:09,050 --> 00:18:12,140 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.