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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm Lazar La. Everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Joined us always buy our David match. Here's Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex barrs. There's also clips where he like legitimately

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Speaker 1: other you sent me, and I was like, these are

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Speaker 1: so much better. It was just very I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: he can break tackles. It was very weird how you

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Speaker 1: choose to display good. That's a perfect summation of this show, right,

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Speaker 1: pretty much just us arguing about how good of a

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Speaker 1: with your premise, but you've presented it horribly good. Good.

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Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do, Okay, Evan Lazar, Alex

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Speaker 1: Barr with you for the next hour, hour and a

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Speaker 1: half or so. You know how we do. We always

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of today, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: to discuss today. The one thing about doing the show

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Speaker 1: some things to go back on. I want to you know,

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Speaker 1: we I don't think we talked about Mike Kisiki on

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to that stuff. But there are

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Speaker 1: also some more recent stuff that I want to hit on,

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Speaker 1: some of the rumors of DeAndre Hopkins, Jerry Judy, and

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Speaker 1: also some of this news that just tricked trickled out

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Speaker 1: from Albert Brier about Joe Judge that has my mentions

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Speaker 1: up in arms. And I'm sorry, Breer, I like you,

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Speaker 1: people out there are now reading the tweet and are saying,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, Joe Judge got a promotion. Joe Judge

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Speaker 1: is now the assistant head coach. No, he is the

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Speaker 1: assistant to the head coach. See the difference there, Well,

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Speaker 1: I even think it's more so you know, you said

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Speaker 1: so a assistant to the right So he is in

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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia's twenty twenty one role of senior football advisor.

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Speaker 1: That's the way that I take this tweet from Breer,

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Speaker 1: meaning that he's going to be doing paper pushing some

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Speaker 1: odds on, you know, research projects here and there for

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Speaker 1: or even going to understand like where that factors into

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture here, right, And these are things that

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Speaker 1: are very, very small potatoes. And then the last thing

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Speaker 1: that he will do, per Breer is potentially have an

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Speaker 1: on field hand in coaching special teams, which is a

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Speaker 1: good thing. They need more help on that side of

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Speaker 1: better showing from that unit in twenty twenty three. And

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Speaker 1: he's a good special teams coach. Like just because he

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Speaker 1: head coach with the Giants, doesn't mean that he can't

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Speaker 1: have a role on his staff, right, And ye, special

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Speaker 1: teams is a role that I think he's good at.

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Speaker 1: He was good at it for years with the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: So this is getting overblown. This is now turning into wait,

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Speaker 1: did he just jump Gerard Mayo? Did he you know

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? No, he is Dwightrude. He is

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Speaker 1: the assistant to the original manager. That's what he is. Well,

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Speaker 1: he did jump somebody. And this is what's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the special teams element of it, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: So cam Accord didn't get fired, like he's still here obviously, right,

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Speaker 1: and we had said that, you know, it seemed like

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Speaker 1: I've always said I and this is still true. I'm

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Speaker 1: this is allowing cam Accord to still bring the value

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Speaker 1: And to your point, I think what's going to coordinate

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Speaker 1: I mean he explains stuff to us all the time because,

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Speaker 1: He's just this guy that's like super passionate, Like, no,

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna be back where quite frankly, he belongs

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Speaker 1: like that. Very important distinction now more more importantly more

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Speaker 1: in their pursuit of a wide receiver one. So the lady,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different reporting out there at this

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Speaker 1: Jones went on pat McAfee and he had a list

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Speaker 1: Mike cliss out in Denver. Source confirms Broncos wide receiver

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Speaker 1: the circle at this point that I want to acquire

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver like DeAndre Hopkins. I think the one

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Speaker 1: you read the mail bag, Alex, but Breer mentioned that

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Speaker 1: Go tell Sean Payton him, I don't want Jerry Judy.

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Speaker 1: You are You told me that Jerry Judy's drop rate

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Speaker 1: don't even know where that is, Madison. I want Judy

428
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: over Hopkins too, but I'm not sure I want to

429
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Speaker 1: give up the first round pick for this year. What

430
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: do you think is fair compensation for Judy? Would you

431
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: include a future first, like a twenty twenty four first,

432
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: for example. So I'm going to differ on this than

433
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and I think it might might

434
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Speaker 1: surprise them. I would trade a first round pick for

435
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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy. I would now, I would much rather trade

436
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty fours first because I think in theory, you

437
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: think we're gonna be better this year. If we win

438
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: eleven games and make the playoffs, then we're picking in

439
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: the twenties instead of picking at fourteen, right, so that

440
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm more on board with that. I don't think Denver's

441
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: gonna want to do that though. But in general, the

442
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: reason why I would prefer I would trade a first

443
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: for Jerry Judy is because is that fourteenth overall picking

444
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: to be a better wide receiver than Jerry Judy. It's not,

445
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: and you still have two years a team control over him.

446
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: Because of the fifth year option, So if you extend

447
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: him eventually, you still have two more rookie season rookie

448
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: contract years. Yeah on Judy, So the extension at earliest

449
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't kick in until twenty twenty four if you want

450
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: to throw a rip up the fifth year option and

451
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: start the extension, which they're not going to do if

452
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: they trade for part of the value. So therefore you

453
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: have two years of affordable Jerry Judy, and I still

454
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: think that that's worth it because I don't know if

455
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is going to be as good as Jerry

456
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: Judy is in the league. I don't know if Quentin

457
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: Johnston would be as good or JSON or whoever. So

458
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: I'm getting a guy who has some proven talent in

459
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: the league, and I'm still getting him for two years

460
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: at an affordable cost. So I would trade the fourteenth

461
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: overall pick for Jerry Judy. I know that that's going

462
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: to sound very rich for some people, and that's okay

463
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: to disagree. But again I come back to he would

464
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: be the best receiver the draft in my opinions. Oh,

465
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: if he's in the draft, yes, I think him and

466
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: JS enter close, but I would I would take I

467
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: would too I guess we can differ on the word close. Um,

468
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: here's why I wouldn't. I don't think you need to

469
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: because nobody's offered or first. If if somebody'd offered a first,

470
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: the trade would be done, right. And that's not to

471
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: say somebody can't. But I think if you're the Patriots

472
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: and you go to offer first, the first thing Denver

473
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: is gonna do is they're gonna call it Chicago, or

474
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna call Atlanta, or they're gonna call Las Vegas,

475
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: or they're gonna call maybe Houston. Say we got the

476
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Speaker 1: Patriots offering fourteen, you want to give us twelve? Do

477
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: you want to give us nine? Yeah? Right. I don't

478
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: think any of those teams are given up those picks

479
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: for Judy, you don't. But like you don't need to

480
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: necessarily start that waterfall, right, you know what I'm saying now.

481
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: So so the counter might be. The counter might be

482
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: is if Buffalo calls and offers forty seven, and the

483
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: Broncos call you and say, Buffalo's got forty seven, what

484
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: are you giving us, then maybe it becomes a discussion.

485
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Patriots need to be the

486
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: first team to jump that right, and I don't if

487
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: they were if they were going to get him for

488
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: a first round pick, and we're gonna see because the

489
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: big pro days are wrapping up now. We've had Georgia,

490
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: we've had Ohio. State was yesterday, Alabama's today. That's going

491
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: on as we speak. Teams are really starting to set

492
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: their draft boards. I think they have an idea. I

493
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: just think if nobody's offered a first round pick to

494
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: this point, nobody's going to do it right. So I

495
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: think there's the report for mary Kay Cabot that's out

496
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: there from Cleveland and the Browns were in and we

497
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: think they're not now, but she would have been sniffing

498
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: around on it because Cleveland sounds random. I just want

499
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: to give that backstory. Second and a fourth to me,

500
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: I think that's a good deal. You'll get Elijah More

501
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: going for a pick swap right where it was a

502
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: second for more and more in a third. Now I

503
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: think a second and a fourth there's worth more than

504
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: that pick swap deal. But do you turn it into

505
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: do you maybe add a pick swap in their second

506
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: pick swap your thirds? Because I believe the Bronchos have

507
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: a later third from trades and then a fourth. I

508
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: would look into that something like that. But I'm with

509
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: you that there's no I don't think they need to

510
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: give up there. You don't need to give up a

511
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: first just to give up a first. I'm with you

512
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: on that. And I to answer the question originally of

513
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: what is fair, I think the second and fourth offer

514
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: is fair compensation. I would even do, like, do you

515
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: pick swap with them where it's a second and a

516
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: third for Judy and a fourth. I would even maybe

517
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: do that if that's what they If that's what gets done,

518
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: then short, yeah, right. But I think a second and

519
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: the fourth based off the market is fair compensation. And

520
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't just put the first out there just to

521
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: put it out there. But I think this notion that oh,

522
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: fourteen's untouchable for Jerry Judy, I don't necessarily subscribe to that,

523
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying, because I think that you have to.

524
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: You have to look at it at some point and say,

525
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: we need one of these guys on our team, right,

526
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: we need one of these dudes on our team. And

527
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: if it's going to take the fourteenth overall pick to

528
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: make it happen, then I'm not totally out on that.

529
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: I know that A. J. Brown went straight up for

530
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: a first round pick and Judy doesn't have the production

531
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: that A. J. Brown had in tennis. Well, no, if

532
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: you if you're giving up fourteen and the Patriots are

533
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: going to say exactly what you just said, all right,

534
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: you want fourteen, and I think it didn't A J.

535
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Brown go with like a fifth round pick. Mcguil always

536
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: teats us in that there's another pick in there that

537
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: we always forget about, so they seventh round. The point

538
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: being does it at that point of Patriots, all right,

539
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: we'll give you fourteen, but we want a third back, yeah,

540
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: right or something like that, Like I don't think it

541
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: would if fourteen's in play. Yeah, I think you're then

542
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: also getting the maybe third round, but probably somewhere in

543
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: the one hundred to one fifty range pick act with

544
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy. Yeah, just to wrap this up and then

545
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: we'll take some of the calls. Yeah. It just bottom line,

546
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: it comes down to the fact that if you know

547
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: you're going to take a receiver early, or you need

548
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: to take a receiver early, you're just putting Jerry Judy

549
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: in that spot. Right, So would you rather because at

550
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: the end of the day. I think what we do

551
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: with draft picks sometimes is that we think of it

552
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: as this like this unknown, like it's a commodity, right,

553
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: it's it's an asset. No, But you have to look

554
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: at it as Jerry Judy versus a flower Jordi, Devin,

555
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, I love playing this game. Who are you

556
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 1: taking at fourteen? That is going to be better than

557
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy? Put Jerry Judy in this draft. He's there

558
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: at fourteen with the other players we think are going

559
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: to be on the board. Who are you drafting? Yeah?

560
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: There we go, all right, get to some of these

561
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: phones and then we have a couple more Patriots related

562
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: stuff we want to get. Let's let's take the phone.

563
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Calls Sean, what's up? Thanks for hanging on. Hey guys,

564
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: how's it gone? Good? Um? I have a question. I

565
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: don't think Darnel washed and will be there at forty six.

566
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Is there another tight end who's a really good run blocker?

567
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: Because with now with Syanksecki, passing isn't as much as

568
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: the need. I think they need a good run blocking

569
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: tight end and also maybe a fullback. Is there anything

570
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: maybe as a free agents of full age even as

571
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. Yeah, so's it's a good question, John,

572
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in as always, the blocking tight end.

573
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: This is something that I talked about a little bit

574
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: on PU. Do I feel like it's a skill set

575
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: that they could use? Absolutely? Do. I think it's this

576
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: needed thing that everybody I think makes it out to be.

577
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: Not to pick on Sean, but just in general, I'll

578
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: hear this a lot, right, Like they have Hunter Henry

579
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: and Mike Kiseki. Neither one are good blockers. They need

580
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: a blocking tight end. I'm not as I'm not as

581
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: like desperate for that skill set, right. I don't necessarily

582
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: need a real hand in the dirt, you know, blocking

583
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: tight end, not even because it's not going to be

584
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Gronk it's going to be like Mercedes Lewis or something

585
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: like that. Like, I don't necessarily need that now. Darnel Washington,

586
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think he's more than just a

587
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: blocking tight end. That's a little bit of a different animal.

588
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: If I'm them, and I really feel like I need

589
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: somebody that can block in line with his hand in

590
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: the dirt and attached to the you know, the tackle

591
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: and things like that. I really like Schoonmaker from Michigan

592
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: for that role. I think he's somebody that could be

593
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: had though in like the third or fourth round, right,

594
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he's somebody that you need to draft

595
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: at forty six some of these other guys. You know,

596
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: we've joked about Coons and seriously talked about Coons a

597
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: little bit. He's Gasecki, right, Like he's another one of

598
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: these receiving tight ends. Laporta to me is not like

599
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: Asseki in terms of how he wins. But but he's

600
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: not a blocker. He's also just a receiver with a

601
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: tight ends body. I think that a guy like a Craft,

602
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: right or as a Craft, I always forget he's somebody

603
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: that can maybe block a little bit more. But I'm

604
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: still not like this guy's going to be a dominant blocker.

605
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: And Kincaide is not a blocker, right, So you're really

606
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: looking at mayor you're looking at Washington, or then you're

607
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: looking maybe a little bit later in the draft, like

608
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: a guy at Schoonmaker in the third or fourth round,

609
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: if you want that true hand in the dirt, in

610
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: line tight end that can block and move people in

611
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: the run game. Yeah, And what I would say is

612
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: And I've seen people say, you know, does this take

613
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: a tight end out of the equation them signing GISICKI,

614
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: And I think it takes a lot of the guys

615
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: you mentioned out just because if you're going to draft

616
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: a guy in the top one hundred, yeah, it's a

617
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: guy that you should have a role for as a rookie.

618
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: And unless this guy's gonna block, what is his role here?

619
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: Because they have two good pass catching tight ends. I'd

620
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: even say with Mayor like to take him that high. No,

621
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You're he's not gonna play enough

622
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: to justify it, right, or you're burying Hunter Henry, You're

623
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: burying Mike Gisiki, which doesn't make it. This is so

624
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: this is either a not to cut you off, but

625
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: this is either like a specific skill set of of

626
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: a true road grading blocking tight end, or it's a

627
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: future pick exactly. So that's why if they're gonna take

628
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: a tight end on the top one hundred, to me,

629
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: it's Darnel Washington and that's it. Yeah, he's the only

630
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: guy because there is a way Darnell Washington plays enough

631
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three to justify that pick, Like there

632
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: definitely is. But at the same time, like we know

633
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: they'll just throw another tackle in there and in goes

634
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: six offensive. I'm and be fine. But even later on,

635
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: like you talk about the blocking, the blocking tight ends

636
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: and now guys like Cameron Law to guys like Luke Schoonmaker,

637
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: guys like Paying Durham from produce a guy I really

638
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: like Blake Whiteheart from Wake Forrest, good blockers. Braydon Willi

639
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: is from Oklahoma. He that guy is. He's kind of

640
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: like the blocker will from. Braydon Willis is like the

641
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: late round Darnell Washington, and he's played some fullback too.

642
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: To the caller's point, could they bring in a fullback?

643
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: And I do want to throw out some names there,

644
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, look, I don't even hate the idea of

645
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: them doubling up late in the draft. And because it's

646
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: such a good draft, take advantage, Like to me, take

647
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: a guy I just says his name, Take a guy

648
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: like Braden Wills, right, and then take Zach coots and

649
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: brain will Is gonna play a little this year, and

650
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Zach Cootz gets to learn from Mike Kisiki who he is, right,

651
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: and then takes over for those two next years. So

652
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: they're receiving tight ends. To me, project guy day three,

653
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: you're looking ahead to twenty twenty four. If they're gonna

654
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: take a tight end early, it's the blocking tight end

655
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: at Darnel Washington. But I don't think they need to

656
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: on the fullback thing here real quick, Evan, because we

657
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: never really talked about this a lot. I don't think

658
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: the fullback positions coming back in the sense of like

659
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: James Devlin, Jacob Johnson, he as in Bill O'Brien. Yeah,

660
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: they're f roll, which is I remember Nick Kaylee talking

661
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: to us about this last year. He said that, you know,

662
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: the af roll can take on. It's a horse of

663
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: a different hue, right, Like it depends on the beauties

664
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: in the eye of the of the beholder. Right. So

665
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: an f tight end could be somebody that's like a

666
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: move tight end, right, or it could be a traditional fullback,

667
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: or it could be a used check who does a

668
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: little bit of both. Right. It's really you know, it's

669
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: more like an h back. It's all of the above, right,

670
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: be anything. So I mentioned Willis, who's kind of that

671
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: hybrid tight end fullback guy. Another guy to know, there's

672
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Princeton fan from Tennessee who they worked with at the

673
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl, yep um. In terms of true fullbacks, the

674
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: number one guy in this class is Hunter Lefty out

675
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: in North Dakota State. Everybody asked me about that. That

676
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: is like James Devils. He's a little more involved as

677
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: a ball carrier with the Bison. I don't know what

678
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: he will be in the NFL. And then the two

679
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: other guys we saw at the Shrine Bowl. We've got

680
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: two hybrid edge rush or fullbacks in Jack Coletto and

681
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: Derek Parish. What's did you get invented to the combine?

682
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: By the way, which is which was wrong? What's interesting

683
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: about Coletto and we both talked to him Evan at

684
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, Yeah, is that he made a point.

685
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: It's saying I want to show teams I can catch passes.

686
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I want to line up as a tight end. I

687
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: want to show teams I can be an asset in

688
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: the passing games. So that's more the kind of tight end.

689
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go to Lepke's old school. He'll

690
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: have a neck roll at some point. The big face mask, right,

691
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: the guys who can maybe contribute a little bit in

692
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: the passing game as well. You can put in motion

693
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: Princeton fant Brandon Willis to me like Jack coleto if

694
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna go for as tight end. They worked with

695
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: him at the Shrine Bowl. He can play on both

696
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. He looked natural as a receiver

697
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: when we saw him, which wasn't necessarily as much the

698
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: case for Terrik Parrish. Yeah, would be like the guy

699
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, he's a little bit used checky where

700
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: he has that athleticism to maybe detach and run some routes,

701
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: which I would like, But I really like Schoonmaker. Schoolmaker

702
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: can block. He's a really good, really really good blocker

703
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: in that offense too at Michigan, which was basically just

704
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: like old school smashed football. Yeah, he can block and

705
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: experience and he's got i think underrated burst off the

706
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And that tested too. You know that

707
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: that passed the forty test as well. He ran a

708
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: really good forty. So you watch and that offense, you

709
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of his rouse that he would run

710
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: when we're off of play action and they get those

711
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: linebackers to step up and he would just run right

712
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: past him up the sea him or over the middle

713
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: of the field on you know, crossers and things like that.

714
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: So I like schoonmaker. I think that's good value to

715
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: in this draft because you're probably gonna get him maybe

716
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: in the third or fourth round because of how good

717
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: the top of the draft is at tight end. I

718
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: think he's a better place to give you one more guy.

719
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: Let me give you one more guy. Evan Hull from Northwestern.

720
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: He's more like a running back though, right he used

721
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: check he played running back, he played fullback, he played

722
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: tight end. I don't know that he'd be I don't

723
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: know what he'd be classified as here. I don't think

724
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: it would be a fullback. But like if if they

725
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: really want to go with that, Hey here's a guy

726
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: that's not a running back, but we can line up everywhere. Yeah,

727
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: that would be Evan Hull. All right, we'll take some

728
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: more calls here Ashley in North Carolina. What's up, Ashley Ashley? Hello? Hello,

729
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: going once? Okay, well all back, call back and we'll

730
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: get you out. Some of these people have been on

731
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: hold for a while. Uh, what's up, Patty? Are you there?

732
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm here, guys, awesome, what's up? All right? So I

733
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: want to throw a name out at you, guys. But first, Evan,

734
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: last week on TU you said something that kind of

735
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: stuck with me, and I wanted to address it on

736
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: this show because I think you were onto something. And

737
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: that's when you were talking about juju like taking the

738
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: ball or I'm paraphrasing what you said, but like putting

739
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: it down on the other team, blogo and just like

740
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: giving them the business, having that attitude, that edge. Yeah,

741
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something this team needs. Like example,

742
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: my second favorite Patriot player of all time behind Tom Brady,

743
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: was riding the Harrison, and he brought that edge. He

744
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: brought that I mean, he picked up guys on his

745
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: own team, and I think I think that's something that

746
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: this team hasn't had since like Edelman twenty nineteen, Like

747
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: but the last season, tom Brady's the last season here,

748
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: and I think aside from talent, like that's the big outlier.

749
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: We need talent, but we also need guys that play

750
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: with that edge, you know. And the guy I wanted

751
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: to throw out at you that you might get cheap.

752
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I did ask this on you, but I don't think

753
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: it was ever answered. Was what do you guys thoughts.

754
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm possibly swinging a deal for maybe Rashad Bateman as

755
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: a reclamation project. Yeah, it's a it's a good question, Patty,

756
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: and it's his first point. Thanks for calling in. As always,

757
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: that was what I was saying on PU. We got

758
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: a little bit fired up arguing Juju versus Jacoby Myers.

759
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: I have I have a little bit of regret about

760
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: how harsh I was about Jacoby. I'm not gonna lie,

761
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: and it's not just because mister Myers listens to the shows.

762
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: It's also because Jacoby can play, is a good football player,

763
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: and I didn't mean to come at him like that hard.

764
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: But the one thing about Jacoby and I thought was

765
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: interesting that Devin went on one of the million podcasts

766
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: that he's doing in his one week into retirement and

767
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: he's already all over the place. He mentioned that he's

768
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about leadership and there being a

769
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: leadership void with the Patriots because he's now retired and

770
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: Jacoby is somebody that he viewed as a lead. And

771
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: for the life of me, I'm I'm stunned that these

772
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: intangible things about Jakobe Meyers that everybody's bringing up we

773
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: get made fun of for for this as a team

774
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: where they draft this guy in the second round because

775
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: he's a hard worker and he's a he's a gym rat,

776
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: and he's always at the facility, and he loves football

777
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: and he's a four time team Like, how many times

778
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: have you heard this as a negative? Yeah, I know,

779
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, it's what's in. It's the argument.

780
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: It's a common trope, right of all, the Patriots just

781
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: draft the guys that love football or that were three times,

782
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, time team captains and they've been team captains

783
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: since the eighth grade. And and now all of a sudden,

784
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: Jacoby Meyers. They got the more talented football player in Juju,

785
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: And now it's well, wait a second, but what about

786
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: all the intangibles that Jacoby brought to the table. You can't.

787
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: It shocks me that that's where we're at with this conversation.

788
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: But I didn't mean to come at Jacobe like that.

789
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: He's a good player, but I just mean used to be.

790
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: I felt like everybody was always a talent talent, talent, talent, talent.

791
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: Then they go out and they get a guy that's

792
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more talented than the guy that they

793
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: had in the past, but because the guy in the

794
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: past is this great locker room guy, it was this

795
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: huge mistake and that was really where I was I

796
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: was coming from with the whole Jacoby thing, and I

797
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: mentioned Juju and I like his swagger, like I like

798
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: his attitude. I like his swagger, And to me, that

799
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: was one thing that I, you know, Patty was kind

800
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: of mentioning that I feel like this team misses a

801
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: little bit. I think the only guy that has that

802
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: fu mentality is Judeon and I think Mac will if

803
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: he starts playing a little bit better. Yeah, I think

804
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: Mac has some of that that about him as well.

805
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: I know a lot of his teammates at Alabama talk

806
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: about how great of a trash talker he is on

807
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: the practice field and things like that. So I think

808
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: eventually that could come from Mac as well. But they

809
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of quiet guys, a lot of nice

810
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: guys like Jacobe's a nice guy, Romandre is a nice

811
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: I think there's guys on defense that have that mentality

812
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: a little bit dugger. J Mills definitely has kind of

813
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: that edge. I would say Joan Bentley, Yeah, his his

814
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: is like a quiet kid. It's a quiet like that yeah,

815
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: he's got a No, it's great. It's you know, we

816
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: on his I think he got it from high Tower,

817
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: because not a high tower kind of had that if

818
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: you're in the wrong spot at the wrong time and

819
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm right there the train right exactly. Yeah, no offense,

820
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: they didn't have that. That that mean streak, that nasty

821
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: streak is that. You're right. I think Mac can have it,

822
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: but like Juju is gonna give them that. I think

823
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: even Gisiki plays that way a little bit too. It's

824
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: I think he kind of he's an annoying guy to

825
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: play against. It's not it Also, sorry real quick because

826
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: we should have mentioned the comments. Jabrill Pepper is like

827
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: the ultimate edge guy. Yeah good edge. Is that so

828
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: much just the edge or the physicality and stuff, but

829
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: it's also like the swagger and the confidence that you

830
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: know you're a good football player, like this isn't This

831
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: isn't the little edngine that could right like us, Miss Schuster,

832
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: I think knows that he can hang in the league

833
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: with with a high end talent, and he's a talented guy,

834
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: so I think that he brings some of that confidence

835
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that too, which I like about his game.

836
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: What was the other thing that project as like a

837
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: plan D sure, right right. I really liked Rashad Bateman

838
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: coming out. I think he's got a lot of talent.

839
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: I liked his route running ability and his explosiveness as

840
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: a route runner. I think he's got a lot of

841
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: the skill that would fit in really well here. But

842
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: this team is is they got a swing bigger than

843
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: reclamation projects. If this was the Brady era and they

844
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: were just getting him to try to take a flyer

845
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: like they used to do on un failed first rounders

846
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: all the time, then fine. But this team right now,

847
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: I think they they need to before they need the

848
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: same reason I don't want to go into the draft.

849
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: They need a guy who's proven he can produce in

850
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: this league. And has Rashad Bateman really proven, I mean

851
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: he's flashy. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it. Okay, So

852
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: two more things we want to get to today, and

853
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: you can still call in eight five five pats five hundred.

854
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: The phone split right up. I didn't even have to

855
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: read the number. We appreciate that. The two things we

856
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: wanted to get to KISSICKI because we didn't talk about

857
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: him on last last week's show, because it happened on Friday,

858
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: and then we have a little debate that we want

859
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: to get into here in a second. But let's let's

860
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: start with KISSICKI what I really like about KISSICKI. I

861
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: know everybody makes a big deal out of his lack

862
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: of blocking. I'm not as worried about that, just because

863
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I think he's not heretable ock. He's here to catch passes.

864
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: What I like about him is that he does bring

865
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: a legitimate vertical tight end element to this offense. He

866
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: can run the seam, he can run crossing routes at

867
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: different levels. He can run corners. He can really go

868
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: up and above the rim and make plays on the

869
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: football as well, whether it's in the red zone or

870
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: just to jump all down the field up the seam

871
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: or something like that. He's now it comes in and

872
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: immediately is the best seam runner on the team, which,

873
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: as we know, is a role in Bill O'Brien's offense

874
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: that they are going to feature, and a role that

875
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is very successful throwing the balls. Yeah, so

876
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: you got that seam run, you got that deep cross,

877
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: you got that ability to go above the rim in

878
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: the red zone and use his size. I like all

879
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: those elements of his game, and I think, you know,

880
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: you start to get into how does this all piece

881
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: together in the big picture. You got Juju and out

882
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: of the slotting Kisiki probably more of like a slot

883
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: receiver than he is a true tight end. I think

884
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: one of the things that you look at is Kasicki

885
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: being able to stretch it vertically a little bit between

886
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: the numbers, and that should open up some space underneath

887
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: for Juju to do his thing in his area of

888
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: the field, which is really the short and intermediate. So

889
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I think there's some nice complimentary skill to that. You

890
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: can give your opinion on Kisiki just individually, but how

891
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: it fits into the big picture, I think is an

892
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: interesting conversation now that we start to get into, Okay,

893
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: who's the next piece, right and how does this all

894
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: fit together? But what do you think about Gisiki? So

895
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: I have two theories on them signing my Kissicki. The

896
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: first one is for what they got him for and

897
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: by this is a bigger picture thing. He signed one

898
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: year nine million, I think like less than half guaranteed.

899
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz, who was the number one tight end available

900
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: this year, a guy I really think can play one year,

901
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: nine million, less than half guaranteed. I think those two

902
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: signing and really just everything that's going on with tight

903
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: ends across the league right now are a strong indicator

904
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: that the league is as high on this tight end

905
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: draft class as we are, maybe higher. Teams don't want

906
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: to pay tight ends. Teams aren't paying tight ends and

907
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: they're not paying corners. I wonder which, yeah, they're saying,

908
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: you want all that money, you want multiple years, all right,

909
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: we'll go draft Dalton a kid, We'll go draft Luke Musgrave,

910
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: We'll go draft Zach Coots in the fourth round, and

911
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: we think we can turn him into the player you're

912
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: going to be over the course of that contract. So

913
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: it tells me that. But specifically with the Patriots, we

914
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: think of everything is so calculated, right, Like they had

915
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: the list of guys they want and this kind of

916
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: came together later, right. I wonder if this is a

917
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: case of and we know Bill loves Mike Kiseki, spoken

918
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: very high of him, and I'm gonna get into that minute,

919
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: but was this just a case of Bill sance a

920
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: good player, let's go see what his price is, seeing

921
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: what it was, and saying all right, yeah, let's sign

922
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: him and we'll figure it out. But like, he's a

923
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: talented player. I wonder if this was a part of

924
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: the original plan or just the price came down so

925
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: much that they figured this guy can play, let's bring

926
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: him in, like you can't have player. Because I looked

927
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: at the market at tight end and I thought, like

928
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people, Okay, they need to bring in

929
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: somebody to back up Hunter her So I thought that

930
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: maybe they would be more in like that. Unfortunately, what

931
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: happened to him with the cancer diagnosis, with Foster Moreau,

932
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper, Um, Jordan Atkins who played with Bill O'Brien

933
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: and Houston. What's this the guy from the XFL or

934
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: the the uh Donald Parham, Donald Parker, Yeah, yeah, Donald

935
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: park only Spring Football League player you've ever liked? Hayden Hurst, right,

936
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Like that's some of these these guys. I I never

937
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: thought that Schultzerkasecki's market would be so low that they

938
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: would actually be able to be in on one of

939
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: those players. And it turned out they probably could have

940
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: been in it on both. They might have been in

941
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: on both. But yeah, I think it really onto something

942
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: there with this market just and this is part of

943
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: the methodical approach. Not again, not to just carry the water.

944
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: But they sat back and they let the market declare

945
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: a little bit. And they didn't go out and overpaid

946
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper. No, they sat back and saw what was

947
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 1: the tight end market going to be, and it turned

948
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: out that it was lower than than probably anybody expected.

949
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: And now they ended up getting a better player because

950
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: of it. So here's the second part of that. All right, well,

951
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: now he's here, so it's all right, signman will figure

952
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: it out. How do they figure it out? I'm gonna

953
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: give you some quotes from Bill over the years, and

954
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I have this up on ninety eight five sports up

955
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: dot com. How he's talked about Kisiki last few years.

956
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: The first ones from twenty nineteen Patriots are actually playing

957
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: the Bills. It was during the week and somebody asked

958
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: about hybrid tight ends and the role hybrid tight ends

959
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: are playing in the league, and he brings Gisiki up. Unprompted,

960
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: he said, the player that's part receiver and part tight end.

961
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: Those are the kind of guys that do you treat

962
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: them as a receiver or do you treat them as

963
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: a tight end. Guys like Mike Gasicki. Players like that.

964
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: They're really not tight ends, they're really not receivers. They're

965
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: good players. Those are I'd say the hard game planned

966
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: questions to answer with those kind of hybrid players. Who

967
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: says he's not at tight end, he's not a wide receiver,

968
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: went a little more direct. Next year, early September twenty twenty,

969
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: they're getting ready to play the Dolphins, or actually, sorry,

970
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: they'd played the Dolphins. He gets asked after the game

971
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: about the defensive game plan where they had like eight

972
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: defensive backs active for that game, they played all of them.

973
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: He gets asked about that and says, we know that

974
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: Miami was capable of basically putting four receivers out on

975
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: the field on a lot of their snaps, which they

976
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: did with Gisicki and then the other three receivers. Certainly

977
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: sounds like he's called them a wide receiver, right. Here's

978
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: Bill the next day, when asked specifically about is actually

979
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: Juwan Williams who got the assignment on Mike Gisicki, Bill Gasicki,

980
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: he's a big receiver. I mean, he's not really inventional

981
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: tight end, but he's a tough matchup in the passing game.

982
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: I won't read all the quotes, but later in twenty twenty,

983
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: he once again refers to Ghisicky as a receiver, says

984
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: he's really I would say more big receiver than a

985
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: tight end. Now his tone changed a little this year.

986
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: He asked about Gasicki before a game this year, he said,

987
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: I'd call him a big tight end, adding Gisicky is

988
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: a problem, hard guy to cover long. He's good, crafty

989
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: route runner. He's slick, but he can get down the field,

990
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: very good hands and make some acrobatic catches. Kind of

991
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: raves about his receiver type abilities. Now, I don't think

992
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: he's calling him a wide receivers like an insult. I

993
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: think he genuinely meets Because I'm gonna give you some

994
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: numbers from I'm not gonna use his rookie year because

995
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: it was the Adam Gays offense. It was a mess,

996
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna use last year because he wasn't

997
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: a fit in that offense the three years he was

998
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: there with an offense that really Chad O'sheay designed and

999
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: O'Shea wasn't there the whole time. But this is a

1000
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: guy that not only worked for the Patriots, but worked

1001
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: with Bill O'Brien in line, where most fight ends play

1002
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: most of their snaps. Kausiki was lined up over those

1003
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: three years twenty point six percent of the time. Yeah,

1004
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: that is his least used alignment as a tight end

1005
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: out wide twenty one point four percent, in the slot

1006
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: fifty six point eight percent. And if you're playing along

1007
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: at home, he logged like fifteen snaps as a running back.

1008
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: So it doesn't add up to one hundred. But the

1009
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: point being, well, no, because I wrote this and somebody's like, oh,

1010
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: the numbers don't happen up to one hundred your line.

1011
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: That's why. The point being he was used like a receiver.

1012
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: Those are wide receiver numbers. Every once in a while

1013
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: you get a tight end like Gronk was like this.

1014
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: The slot plus boundary line alignments added up to be

1015
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: more than in line, but when you split them into

1016
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: three categories, in line was more right. And that's the

1017
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: case with most tight ends. I think if you asked Bill,

1018
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: if we went down the hall right now and ask

1019
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Bill and he did it, tell us truth. We're doing

1020
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: that after the show by perfect Ye, Hey Bill, Mike KASICKI,

1021
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: what position does he play? Yeah, you'd say Oh, he's

1022
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: a big slot receiver. Yeah, so I I don't know

1023
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: how much they're gonna do with him and Hunter Henry.

1024
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up with this with the name

1025
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: for this personnel because they can now do this thing

1026
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: kind of what Bill talked about playing Miami where they

1027
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: can put Hunter Henry and Mike Siki on the field.

1028
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: Are well, are they in eleven? Are they in twelve?

1029
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Are Oh? I guess no? No, would be O one

1030
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: tight end? Second? Yeah? Are they? I guess? So there's

1031
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: no running back? Is the second? No? One? That's why

1032
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: I said ten because it sounded better tense with the

1033
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: running back one is like a you see that on

1034
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: the goal line sometimes yeah, um, like a goal line spread.

1035
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: But the point being, I don't know I came up

1036
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: with like cloudy twelve y or like foggy twelve or

1037
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: ghost twelve. That's the fun thing about this and that's

1038
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: my big take that original quote that you said, the

1039
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: first one about how do we treat it? These are

1040
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: the conversations that you have to have because are you

1041
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: match Gisicky eleven with nicol? Are you imagining Gisicky eleven

1042
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: with dime? Right? Like? How are you what personnel defensively

1043
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: are you putting on the field against that? And who

1044
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: are you putting on Gisicki who's six foot five, so

1045
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be much bigger than your your standards corner, right,

1046
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: but maybe are you putting his safety on Gissicki? And

1047
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: then how does that trickle? So we have the example

1048
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: over the years, the Patriots used Juan Williams, Kyle Dugger,

1049
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips, Jalen Mills is the only corner that covered him, Yeah,

1050
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: when he was a corner. Former corner, Jalen Mills. We're

1051
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna get to that as job. Yeah, but yeah, anyway,

1052
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: that that's my and again I rode up more than

1053
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: ninety five sports ub dot com. But that's my thank you.

1054
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: That's my like bit went back through. Shout out to

1055
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: the Google find feature for getting all the old transcripts. Yeah,

1056
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: that's my big takeaways. I don't think they added another

1057
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: tight end. I think they added a big wide receiver.

1058
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: And also too, I'll add this this is my one

1059
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: more take Yeah, calls a projection. I'm not saying he's

1060
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: gonna put up like crazy numbers on the boundary. But again,

1061
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: those three years where he was really a difference maker.

1062
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: The boundary percentage was twenty one point four percent this year.

1063
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: Do you think he plays over under that percentage in

1064
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: why alignment? Because I think it's over. I don't know

1065
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: by how much, but I think it'll be over. I

1066
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: don't I think the take of is he really an

1067
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: ex receiver? No, he's not really an ex receiver. I

1068
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: think that there will be instances where he might be

1069
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: used whether I would say, it's probably more going to

1070
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: come in the red zone. And that's why I think

1071
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: that's twenty percent, because my guess is that most that's

1072
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: red zone, and how often are you really in the

1073
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: red zone? Right? So that I think is where it's

1074
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: really going to come. Is okay, maybe we go three

1075
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: by one here and we isolate Asiki on the backside,

1076
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: and if we like that matchup, then we can just

1077
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: throw him a jump ball and let him go up

1078
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: and get it. Those are the types of things that

1079
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: I could see them doing. I don't think that that's

1080
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: going to be a regular thing, but in certain situations

1081
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: like third down, red area. They used to do that

1082
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: with Rock right, you know, if they're down, they'd match

1083
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: him up outside they put him at the X. If

1084
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: they ran a corner out there, maybe he doesn't get

1085
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: the ball, or maybe if he's a foot taller than

1086
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: the corner he does get the ball, or you know,

1087
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. So I think that those

1088
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: are the type of thing super Bowl forty nine, I

1089
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: came to pull a linebacker out of the box, right,

1090
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: something like that. You can dictate coverage and then if

1091
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: he gets a linebacker, he wins that foot. I just

1092
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: I think I don't want to say like thirty percent

1093
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: on that wide thing. That's probably a little high, but

1094
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: I you're you're saying, I don't think it's gonna be

1095
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: that much more. I think it's gonna be more than

1096
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: people think. Okay, that's uh, that's interesting. But the last

1097
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: thing about this Kissicki thing that I do want to

1098
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: talk about, Jalen Mills. We'll try to get to our

1099
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: big debate. We tease it a bunch, so yeah, we'll

1100
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: try to get to it too. Last thing on Kissicki,

1101
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: this is where I go back to the original conversation

1102
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: with Hopkins and Judy and stuff like that. Though I

1103
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: like the Kissicki and Judy and Juju, excuse me, I

1104
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: keep doing that because then Jay's Juju. Just wait, if

1105
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: they trade for Jerry Judy, it's gonna drive me nuts.

1106
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: I like Judy, did it again? I like Juju and

1107
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: KISSICKI right. I like those two guys that I've been

1108
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: on board like in those guys this whole time. Yeah,

1109
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: those guys are not separators. They don't create a ton

1110
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: of separation down the field. The Kisiki creates vertical separation,

1111
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: like in terms of above the rim separation, above his

1112
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: head separation, but he's not a true separator. Juju is

1113
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: not a true separator down the field. Maybe at the

1114
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, maybe on whip routes and things like that,

1115
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: he can create some separation, but he's not a true

1116
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: downfield separator. So that's my other thing with Hopkins is

1117
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: that I am concerned that if they add a guy

1118
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: like Hopkins, they're still slow and there's still a little

1119
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: bit reliant on contested catch. I think then you're we

1120
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: revisit something we talked about a lot last week, which is,

1121
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: all right, well, how much of a second year jump

1122
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: is Tyke on the right to make it? He needs

1123
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: to take a jump there because he needs to be

1124
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: the speed guy. In the offense, they're gonna be desperately

1125
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: need I think if they make that move, you're eleven

1126
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: becomes Hopkins, uh Juju Hopkins Juju and Thorton and then

1127
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: Henry you're kissick, right Thoran to clear it out? Yeah,

1128
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: I agree. I just something to think about with Hopkins.

1129
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: I think they're a little bit they're a little bit

1130
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: reliant on like possession contested catch guys. If that's the offense,

1131
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if that's necessarily uh the idea,

1132
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: that's not generally how Bill O'Brien's offense is operating. I

1133
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: need some separation, Alex, I need some I need some separation.

1134
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't mean next gen. Jalen Mills said it's the

1135
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: I think what does he say? It's the year of

1136
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: separation or something we need to be so, speaking of

1137
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills, yeah, I really like what they I think

1138
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: they're doing with Jalen Mills. I'm not sure if I'm

1139
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: going to be right about this, but reading Tea Leaves,

1140
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: he said this is this season is for separation. Reading

1141
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: Tea Leaves, Jordan Schultz, who I think broke the news

1142
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: that he was coming back, I mentioned that he's probably

1143
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna play safety. Yeah. Jalen Mills mentioned I think last

1144
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: week when Devin mccordy retired, that he feels like he's

1145
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: actually a safety. He's been a safety, yeah, and he's

1146
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: been a safety in Philly. But what I think he

1147
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: is is not He's not your center fielder replacement for

1148
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy. I think he's your tight end stopper. I

1149
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: think they're bringing him back to cover tight ends, and

1150
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: I think that they're looking at it and saying, what

1151
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: is Jalen Mills's biggest flaw in coverage? The biggest flaw

1152
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: is speed. Right. He can't run with guys either coming

1153
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: across the field or vertically down the field. He gets

1154
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: beat in foot races. Titans don't run as fast as

1155
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: wide receivers. News flash. Right, So you bring Jalen Mills

1156
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: back he covers tight ends. That negates some of the

1157
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: speed concerns that he may have. He has experienced playing

1158
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: inside and playing in the box already, so that's not

1159
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: foreign to him. I think he comes downhill pretty well

1160
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: as a tackler too, so I think he can take

1161
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: on the run game responsibilities. But what I'm most intrigued

1162
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: by is the trickle down effect that Jalen Mills has

1163
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: of potentially making him the guy that's covered the Patrick

1164
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: chungr Right, He's going to cover the tight end that

1165
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: now frees up Kyle Dugger to to just be everywhere. Yeah,

1166
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: And that is really intriguing to me because I think

1167
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: still that Kyle Dugger is at his best when he's ceball,

1168
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: get ball right, just let him run around, go after

1169
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: the football and ye had four defensive touchdowns last year.

1170
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: I think on occasion, if you want to blitz him

1171
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: against the quarterback, a good amount of rookie year, they

1172
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: haven't done it as much sense they can do that

1173
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: with him. And most importantly though, he can sit in

1174
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, whether it's at that robber

1175
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: level like more than into at the sticks or deep

1176
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of center field and ballhawk. Yeah. And

1177
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: I've always said that Rodney is the best comparison for

1178
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: what Kyle Dugger hopefully will become. Rodney Harrison, not Patrick Chung.

1179
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't want I want Dugger using his athleticism, his physicality,

1180
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: in his instincts. I don't want him with the back

1181
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: to the quarterback playing man coverage on tight ends. So

1182
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm really intrigued by the idea of Jalen Mills coming

1183
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: back to hopefully free up Kyle Dugger to allow him

1184
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: to go and play more of that Rover Rodney Harrison's

1185
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: style role instead of just you got this guy, because

1186
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I think that's so pigeonholing his skill set, yeah, and

1187
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: in limiting his impact that he can have on the

1188
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: game defensively. I mean, I've said this, everybody kind of

1189
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: puts him in that Patrick Chung role. I think it's

1190
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: kind of becoming the Kyle Dugger role. It's sort of

1191
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: its own thing. Now. I'd still like to see them

1192
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: have a true free safety, and I don't know what's

1193
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: going on with Taylor Rap. I feel like at this point,

1194
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: if there was a deal to get done, it would

1195
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: have gotten done. Yeah, right, But whether it's in the draft,

1196
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: whether it's somewhere because I so you're putting Mills in

1197
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: the box now to cover tight ends or like in

1198
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: the slot, depending on what. But he's playing close to

1199
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, your dugger you're leaving up front.

1200
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips is going to be in the box, is

1201
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Jabrill Peppers is playing deep, so you

1202
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: still unless you're switching to that too high thing, which

1203
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: I know you've talked about it a bit more of that.

1204
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: I think that there's gonna be a lot of rotation

1205
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: back there, right. I think that what's gonna end up happening.

1206
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: And Devin hinted this on Twitter of they knew I

1207
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: was going to be in center field, like they knew

1208
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: where I was going to be, So now you know,

1209
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: Dugger maybe takes some of those free safety reps and

1210
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: then the next play, maybe it's Adrian Phillips or maybe

1211
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: it's Jonathan Jones actually ends up going back there and

1212
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: plays there, Miles Bryant plays center field, and you just

1213
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of keep spinning that dial on defense. Is I

1214
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: agree with you that I would like to have a

1215
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: developmental true free safety center field or in the pipeline.

1216
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: But I think that that becomes like a Day two

1217
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: or Day three draft need versus having to go out

1218
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: and sign Taylor Rap at this point, so I would

1219
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: look at it. We both really liked Jordan Battle Like,

1220
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: I think that he's somebody that could do that from

1221
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: Alabama who they saw today at the Pro Day. I

1222
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: really like Davious Martin from Illinois. He's got that kind

1223
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: of fluidity to play in the pedal at the top

1224
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: of the defense. Jordan Howden from Minnesota. These are all

1225
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: guys that I think are second round and later players. Yeah,

1226
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: and I think that those guys. But I do think

1227
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: that this similar to tight end with Gisiki, this does

1228
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: not like this takes it out of the first round area,

1229
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: right like this takes it out of a desperation. We

1230
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: need a safety to play tomorrow. So and I want

1231
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: to hold on to what you just said, but my

1232
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: one other point on Mills. If he's going to play safety,

1233
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: and you said Jonathan Jones might be in the mix too,

1234
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: their cornerback room right now, I'm gonna give you. So

1235
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: I'll start with positive. Actually, outside Jonathan Jones, everybody I'm

1236
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: about to name is twenty five or younger. Okay, so

1237
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: that's nice. But Jonathan Jones is five ten, Jack Jones

1238
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: is five eleven, Marcus Jones is five eight, Miles Bryant's

1239
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: five nine. You know Sean Wade who six one, Rodney

1240
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: Randall who's six foot in, Quandre Mosley, who I actually

1241
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: think might be more of a safety as six too.

1242
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: But the guys who have NFL experience Jonathan Jones five ten,

1243
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: Jack Jones five eleven, Marcus Jones five eight, Miles Bryant

1244
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: five nine. Evan, I'm a broken record, but you've got

1245
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: to get through, uh, you know, guys like Davanta Adams.

1246
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: You've got to get through guys like te Higgins and

1247
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. If DeAndre Hopkins goes to Buffalo, these are

1248
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: all big receivers and as good as Marcus Jones looked,

1249
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: and I was wildly impressed yea last year against te

1250
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: Higgins and against Devanta Adams. Yes, you saw in at

1251
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: Bengals game in the second half they said, well, you

1252
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: know what, We're just gonna throw jump balls. And again,

1253
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 1: love Marcus Jones, not a knock on him, but five eights,

1254
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: five eight. You can't teach height, can trust me? Kind

1255
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: of adversal experience that very well, you cannot teach height. Okay,

1256
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: And okay, there's so many big receivers that they need

1257
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: to beat. You gotta get a guy in here who

1258
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: can play with some length and can play with some

1259
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: and can contend with those jump ball situations. Okay, So

1260
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: this brings us to the great debate of Patriots and

1261
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: Catch twenty two, Saving the Best Relax on March twenty

1262
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: Third corner versus tackle in first round, And I think

1263
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: we all know that receivers in this mix as well,

1264
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: and they have to use some sort of pick. Yeah,

1265
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 1: it's more dictate. Receiver being the third here, I would

1266
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: almost say is more dictated by who's available in the

1267
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: actual needs. So let's let's just take receiver out of

1268
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: it for a second corner versus tackle, Like, let's just

1269
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: say they stick at fourteen, like it doesn't matter where

1270
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: they're picking in the first round. Well, no, honestly, I

1271
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: will expand this conversation to the first round if they

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: trade out of the first round, which they won't because

1273
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: you're trading out from fourteens and saying, but if like,

1274
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: no team's gonna give you what it would take? Right

1275
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: by that? What is what I mean by that? But

1276
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: I will my take I'm gonna give. I will apply

1277
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: that to anywhere in the first round they trade up,

1278
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: they trade down. Yes, this is a universal first round take.

1279
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: So you just mentioned the height of the corners. Yeah, absolutely,

1280
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: and well and the experience and the ext absolutely an

1281
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: issue that the corners are too small. They're too small

1282
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: at that position. My feeling is at that position is

1283
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: twofold one. I personally feel like they just need a

1284
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: guy that is a matchup bass player in that role.

1285
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: And this is I think more of something that I

1286
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: think is a general thought on the league too, as

1287
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: I think the league is sort of going more towards

1288
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: this at cornerback instead of overpaying committee the Jalen Ramseys

1289
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: of the world. At twenty million dollars. You have the

1290
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: fast burner corner and Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones, and

1291
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: then you have your six foot three corner to go

1292
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: toe to toe with te Higgins. So I ask people

1293
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: this presented this way, do they need that shut down

1294
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: corner or do they just need a six foot three

1295
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: corner that can actually go above the room with Higgins? Like,

1296
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: do they just need a matchup guy on the boundary

1297
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. The second point that

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01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: I would make, and this is really more where I'm

1299
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: coming from it because I'm team tackle. Yeah, I should

1300
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: have put that out there. I'm team tackle. The second

1301
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: point that I would make is that I personally feel

1302
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: in this draft class and this is you gotta look

1303
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: at it this way. In this draft class, there is

1304
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: a bigger drop off from the tackles that you're gonna

1305
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: get in the first round to the tackles you're gonna

1306
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: get in day two. You know, I've been telling you

1307
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: that for months. And the corners you're gonna get in

1308
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: the first round versus the corners you're gonna get on

1309
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: day two. You're gonna get first round caliber corners in

1310
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: the second round. So why are we taking a corner

1311
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: in the first round. I'll tell you why. Why would

1312
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: you do that? Because you're going You're going from let's

1313
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: just use names right to make this easier. Paris Johnson's

1314
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: there at fourteen, but you're gonna pass on Paris Johnson

1315
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: to draft Joey Porter Junior. But then in the second

1316
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: round when you come up in forty six, the only

1317
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: left tackle on the board is Jalen Duncan. Like, that's

1318
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: a huge drop off from Paris Johnson to Jalen dun

1319
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. And you got to remember, help

1320
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: me why you're wrong. You have, well, you have to

1321
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: remember what my approaches to this. I'm not telling you

1322
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: what I would do. I'm telling you what I think

1323
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: they would do. I know I'm not the one making

1324
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: the decision. Nobody cares what I would do. Well, you

1325
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: know some people care. I'll say this, They're not always right.

1326
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if two years is long enough for

1327
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: something to be considered a pattern, but in the NFL,

1328
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: I think it is. Okay, let's look at the two

1329
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: years Matt grow has been running in air quotes or

1330
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: running the main draft board. I think you can say three. Well,

1331
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: they didn't have a first round pick the year before,

1332
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: so they trade it out. But I think dugger in

1333
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: because Chunk retired is okay? Still this okay? So all right, fine,

1334
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: strength environment, let's make it three. Throw positional value out

1335
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: except for kickers and punters, right, so I don't It

1336
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that a receiver is a higher impact position

1337
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: than like a defensive tackler, any of them. Right, look

1338
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: at the depth chart. You have to play a game today, Yes,

1339
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: we'll start with you with your point in twenty twenty,

1340
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: if I had to play a game today, my tackle,

1341
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: so let me let me set it up, my tackles.

1342
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: Let me set it up. Maybe be bad in twenty twenty,

1343
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: Yay to play game. Draft night. What was the biggest

1344
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: hole on the depth chart. What was the hardest position

1345
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: to fill safety? I guess say, well, it was quarter again,

1346
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: it was different, didn't make a first round pick. It

1347
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: was quarterback. It was quarterback because I don't even think

1348
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: they had cam at that point. No they didn't. All right,

1349
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: that's a different brought the suck and ruined it, all

1350
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: right the two years that the year he was the

1351
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: director of college scouting and then the director player person

1352
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: ye twenty twenty one biggest hole in their depth chart

1353
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: was quarterback. The first round they took a quarterback. They

1354
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: took the best quarterback on the board, a guy that

1355
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought maybe they overdrafted last year.

1356
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: You could say corner, a lot of the same position

1357
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about now, right Corner, tackle, wide receiver, linebacker.

1358
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: You could argue those are maybe bigger needs given the

1359
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: importance of the position, even the impact of the position.

1360
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: But what did they do after losing Ted Carriss, after

1361
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: trading away Shack Mason. They took the best guard on

1362
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: the board. Because it was the biggest hole to Phil,

1363
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: I know you don't Evan, I know you don't love it,

1364
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: But am I describing the situation accurately? But am I

1365
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: describing the situation accurately? You are? You are so, so

1366
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: here we go with you that. I mean, this is

1367
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: the thing. I don't disagree with you on the philosophical

1368
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: a big picture argument that you're making here. I disagree

1369
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,480
Speaker 1: with you that corner is a bigger hole than tackles.

1370
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: They see it that way. If you are telling because

1371
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: that they're gonna go into the season with Trent Brown

1372
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: and Riley Reef as you're starting tackles, I am. I'm

1373
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 1: not telling you that. Can tell you I'm not tacking Jones. Pray,

1374
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: I pray you can keep that man up running. I'm

1375
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: not telling you that, Evan they are. They could have

1376
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: saved they could have saved seven million dollars by letting

1377
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: Trent Brown go. He I don't mind here, I don't mind.

1378
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: They made Riley Reef the top half paid right tackle.

1379
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say in the league, it's not

1380
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: a good decision. I'm not saying it is. If you're

1381
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: telling me, I'm not saying it is telling me that

1382
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: between Trent Brown, Riley Reef and Calvin Anders. By the way,

1383
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: if you're telling me, between those three guys, they're hoping

1384
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: to get one starter out of it, I'd say, fine.

1385
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: I think they think they Okay, so here's not get

1386
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: two starters are what I think. There's not two starters

1387
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: in that career. That's what I think. Two starters if

1388
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: they follow what they've done, the thing I laid out, yes,

1389
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: corner in the first Yeah, I still think you go

1390
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: tackle in the second. Who's gonna be You have to

1391
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: trade up. You have to trade up in the second.

1392
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they trade and maybe they do. Maybe they trade

1393
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: up and they take dun Jones, which would be great.

1394
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: But what I reading the tea leaves of what they've done.

1395
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: They signed Riley Reef to buy time, so they don't

1396
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: need to buy just put this out there right now.

1397
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if Riley Reef is gonna make it

1398
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: through training camp. The money suggests they believe he is.

1399
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: The money suggests that he yeah, But I'm telling you

1400
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: that once they get into back there on the hills,

1401
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: I am not sure that Riley Reef is going to

1402
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: make it. I am just telling you that this is

1403
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: what I think they are thinking. Yes, Riley Reef is

1404
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: here until the tackle they take with their second pick,

1405
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: whether that's trading up in the second round, whether it's

1406
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: trading back into the end of the first round. When

1407
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: that guy's ready, he steps in. But at corner and

1408
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: they've added at tackle, yes, they have added twice at

1409
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: the tackle positions. Tell you that maybe they like their

1410
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: corners better than we all do. No, how does that

1411
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: not to me? That tells me they like this cornerback draft. Sure,

1412
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: or they didn't like the free agency class or whatever.

1413
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: So the cornerback draft, though, which we both agree on,

1414
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: is insanely deep. So why would you take if because

1415
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: if it's if it's Christian Gonzalez, you know I love Christian. Okay,

1416
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: but now, but here's the only guy I'm Christy. My argument, no,

1417
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: exactly because I I'm telling you that the trend tells

1418
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: us that they will take a corner I you're asking me, well,

1419
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: why would I in the deep class? Maybe I wouldn't.

1420
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: The number one thing the trend tells us. The trends

1421
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: in the league tell me that the number one talking

1422
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: about the league talking about just let me say this, Okay,

1423
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: the trend in the league, and this is what we

1424
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: were just talking about on PEU as well. When Paul said,

1425
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: would you take prime Durell Reeves or Prime Rob Gronkowski.

1426
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: And I said prime Rob Gronkow's horse because the league

1427
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: right now is all about the passing offense. It's passing

1428
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: offense against passing offense. That's it. Okay, that's that's it.

1429
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: So that's a corner no, because you are all thinking,

1430
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: all these people are thinking about stopping other people's path,

1431
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 1: why don't you make a passing offense that could actually

1432
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: compete that what they always do. Though that's bad, isn't

1433
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: that what the when? And by the way, I would

1434
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: add to this with the tackle thing. You talk about

1435
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: passing off protect your quarterback and get your quarterbacks and

1436
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: receivers to throw the football too. So that way, when

1437
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: you go into Buffalo and you're facing Josh Allen and

1438
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm winning in game in week eighteen, you're not going

1439
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: in with a pea shooter. You're going in with an

1440
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: AK forty seven. That's what we need, isn't the whole thing?

1441
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: And I don't remember if we talked about this on

1442
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: the air. Off the air bolt and Bill O'Brien's offense,

1443
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,919
Speaker 1: this backwards thinking well, let's let's let's take out Jamarch's

1444
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: Let's get Jamarch Bill O'Brien's offense isn't a whole part

1445
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: of it with the quick release and the and the

1446
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: coverage calls and everything to de emphasize the tackle position.

1447
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: Isn't Bill O'Brien's offense to the tackle position with the

1448
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: Shanahan offenses to the quarterback position or the Seattle defenses.

1449
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: He likes to go empty a lot a lot empty

1450
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: empty quick release. But he likes to go empty empty

1451
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: quick release are going to be living in in five

1452
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: man protections in Bill O'Brien's offense. You know what your

1453
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: tackles are gonna be on an island a lot, Evan

1454
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: how much? How many times did we do this with

1455
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: Brady who's a quarter back's best protector him? No, But

1456
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying the philosophy of it, it's empty and get

1457
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: the ball out quick. The best way to sell us

1458
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: bass rushes to get the ball out. If you want

1459
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: to get the ball, if you want to get the

1460
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: ball out quick, you have to have receivers that get

1461
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: open quick. Okay, Well, am I not sitting here saying

1462
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: trade for Jerry Judy. This is exactly what I was

1463
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: hoping for. This is classic US. This is just the

1464
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: product that I keep having. I am not saying. All

1465
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that trends tell us yes, when Matt

1466
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: grow has been sitting there, it Bill's right side. They're

1467
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna take the biggest need on the hardest bots on

1468
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: the depth chart, which is corner because they paid Evan.

1469
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: I was saying tackle for months paying rileyy five million dollars,

1470
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Speaker 1: not paying Riley fifteen fifteenth highest paid right tackle in

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: football based off of what over the gap dot com

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: or off of you guaranteed money in more than five

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: millions right tackle, right tackle. Oh my gosh, this is

1474
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: the problem. This is the problem, is that people have

1475
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: this and I think that he runs into this sometimes too,

1476
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: but he means Bill, he runs into this sometimes too,

1477
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: where it's it's risk adversion instead of attacking right like

1478
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: it's we, oh god, we need the corner because to

1479
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: cover Stefon Diggs. Instead of just saying, why don't we

1480
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: get our own Stefon Diggs, We're gonna try to get

1481
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: the corner to cover Stefon Diggs and your boy. Nick

1482
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: Saban was the first one to put this out there

1483
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: of like sort of the old school football coaches a

1484
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: couple of years ago when he said, nowadays, the game

1485
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: has changed. It's wide open. The rules have changed, the

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01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: way the game has played has changed. You have to

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01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 1: be able to compete on the scoreboard. You could not

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01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: win games anymore consistently. Seventeen to four. That's what they've

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: tried the last two years. And it's not good enough.

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but you even

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01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: said it. There. They fall in to this line of thinking, Okay,

1492
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: all I'm telling you is you're you're you're walking, You're

1493
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: on the fence about it because you're you're saying what

1494
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna do. And that's when everybody was

1495
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: yelling at us about JSN and Zay Flowers and even

1496
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: Tank Dell and all these receivers. Wasn't I sitting here

1497
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: saying tackle, tackle, tackle. I would when everybody was rolling

1498
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: their eyes at another offensive lineman in the first round,

1499
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: fired up I am about this stupid argument. I would

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01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: rather draft Zay Flowers than I would draft a corner

1501
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: in the first round. I would rather do that. Take.

1502
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: It's not a bad, that's a bad. Zay Flowers a

1503
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: great football player, and I would rather say Joey Porter

1504
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: is fine, what's the difference between Joey Porter realistically? What

1505
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: is the difference between Joey Porter and Julius Brents. What

1506
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: is the huge difference there? Where's a flower is gonna play?

1507
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: Those two guys are gonna play eighty percent of the

1508
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: snaps through this year, automatic eighty percent. You should treat. Yeah,

1509
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: that's that's their problem. That's that's because of them. Zay

1510
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: Flowers goes anywhere else. Okay, but that's who we're talking about. Well,

1511
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, what is the right thing to do

1512
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: on the Fight in Heaven Lazars. You can take maybe

1513
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: they need a receiver. You can take Zay Flowers in

1514
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: the first round. Needs to get him killed like they

1515
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: did last season. Don't get them hurt like they did

1516
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: last season because they're rolling out store brand tackles. Go

1517
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: get yourself a premium tackle. I don't just really also

1518
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: put out there, you mentioned it just a second ago.

1519
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: This is, by the way, we've totally worked on this.

1520
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: You were like infatuated with Jalen Ducking. You texted me

1521
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: like two days ago about Blake Freeland. Brake Freedland is

1522
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: a good player. He's a good player, But so we

1523
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: totally flipped on this. With that being said, good players

1524
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: a stride by the way, ideal world, by the way,

1525
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: ideal world, ideal world for me, just saying Porter, Witherspoon, Gonzalz,

1526
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: whoever's the best one left taking fourteen and then replicate

1527
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: the Kyle Dugger trade. Trade Backe at the end of

1528
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: the first round draft Christian Barmore trade. No, because you're

1529
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to Christian Barmore to wand Jones,

1530
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: you got a Kyle Dugger trade, reverse Kyle Tugger trade.

1531
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: They traded back for Kylie. I said, reverse Kyle Tugger trade.

1532
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: Do what the Vikings did. It's not just just don't

1533
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: stop one second. Stop. This is the problem that I

1534
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: have with this argument, and I'll continue to have with

1535
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 1: this argument. The most important thing about the Patriots team

1536
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: in general tea Amazon team is upgrading the passing game

1537
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: on offense. Yes, right now, don't disagree. If the season

1538
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: started tomorrow. If the season started tomorrow, they have Trent

1539
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: Brown and Riley Reef as they're starting tackle. Correct, that

1540
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: is bad. That might be one of the I won't

1541
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: say it's one of the worst because tackle played just

1542
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 1: across the league is bad. Okay, but how many? How

1543
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: many years are we going to kick this knee down

1544
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: the road? Because we've been talking tackle last year? We

1545
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: both said, right, you and I've been talking about tackle

1546
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: for at least two years. They took a tackle last year.

1547
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: It's easy. It's talk for at least two years now.

1548
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: It's just like receivers. Okay, but let me ask you

1549
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: this again, coming from their point of view, because everybody's

1550
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: can get mad at me for this. No, no, you

1551
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: can't do this. You're you're you're protecting your take by

1552
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: saying that this is no. My whole take is I'm

1553
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: following the friend. I want to blame the team, and

1554
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: don't blame me. Don't blame me that my take is wrong.

1555
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: Everybody knows this about me. How do you know about me?

1556
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: At this point? I'm more interesting being right than anything else.

1557
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: You just said, who their starting tackles are? Yes, who

1558
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: are starting corners right now? The Jones is I trusted?

1559
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: I trust the Jones is more than I trust Riley.

1560
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: How do you think Bill Belichick, a defensive coach, views it.

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01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. You do know, you

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: don't want anymore? You do know you don't want to

1563
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to get You're right because you're using

1564
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: you're using them as a crutch by saying I'm thinking

1565
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 1: for them, we're instead of just thinking about the logical explanation.

1566
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: What should happen? What is the outlet for this show?

1567
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: It's Patriots dot Com. We got some callers. I wonder

1568
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: if they want to weigh in on this. Jonathan and

1569
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: fall River. What's up, Jonathan? Get a legitimate threat as

1570
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: a receiver. Okay, well we've talked about that a lot.

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 1: Thanks Jonathan. Uh, not at all what we were talking about.

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01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: But I still go back and say Zay Flowers. I

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01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: would rather have Zay Flowers because you know why, because

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01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: of what I just said again is that I think

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01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: that this is a very good cornerback class. There's a

1576
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: starting quest. What they need is a bigger bodied outside corner.

1577
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: They need a six foot which is all I don't

1578
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: disagree with. They can get that in the third round. Again,

1579
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: I've been I've been sitting here saying tackle, tackle, tackle

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01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: for months. You're welcome for catching up. Matthew, New Mexico.

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: What's up, Matthew? I they guys, um I hear you

1582
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: guys are saying, um, what do you think of this

1583
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: first tackle corner? Whoever it is, still can't like barmore

1584
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 1: pick gigs are one of the running gay I love

1585
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you, no problem. So so I guess

1586
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 1: he's saying in the second round, a trade back up

1587
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: for Jamir Gibbs. Okay, Well, Jamir Gibbs is out there

1588
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: right now at Alabama's Pro day, so the Patriots are

1589
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: getting a good look at him at this Jamier Gibbs

1590
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: is a pick that you make if you're Kansas City,

1591
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: if you're Buffalo, if you're sincinnat it's a it's a

1592
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a luxury pick, right it's a luxury pick.

1593
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: Very much you need a you don't need. The Patriots

1594
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: are not in a position to take a log I

1595
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: trying to think of analogy. Patriots are not in a

1596
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: position to take a luxury pick right now. They're just not.

1597
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: They have too many big, bigger n The only way

1598
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: you justify that pick is if you draft him as

1599
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: a slot receiver, which by the way, I think he

1600
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: could be, but just just drapt a freaking slot. There's

1601
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: so many good there's so many good slot receivers in

1602
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: that draft. It's the boat of the mystery box. All right.

1603
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: I like Jimire Gibbs, a great player. I just he

1604
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: really doesn't make sense with the Patriots unless Bill O'Brien

1605
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: has some like master plan of his too too many

1606
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: bigger needs for them to take a running back. They

1607
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: were They used to be in positions where they could

1608
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: take running backs in the first round, and that was

1609
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,799
Speaker 1: like okay, right because they had everything else was already

1610
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: figured out and they didn't need all these premium positions

1611
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: and elite talent at the Also, by the way, things

1612
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: like that, I still think Jimir Gibbs might go in

1613
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: the first round. I think there's going to be some

1614
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: teams end of the first I think there's gonna be

1615
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 1: some teams that have him. Had to be John Robinson.

1616
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: All right, Raje, what's up? Rage? Hey? Hi guys, nice argument. Actually,

1617
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: I just want to extend the argument with you guys

1618
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: and chime in my idea. See listen about what you

1619
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: guys think. I think if the best two tackles are

1620
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: not there on the board, I think they're not going

1621
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 1: to take a cornerbacks. That is for true. They historically

1622
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: believe in themselves taking good cornerbacks later rounds. Last year,

1623
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: they did it. I think they're going to do it

1624
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: again this year. If if this draft is such good

1625
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: what Alex was saying that they're fifteen cornerbacks in top hundred,

1626
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 1: they will definitely take with eighty fifth, not with the

1627
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: fourteenth pick, so they may trade back and draft a tackle,

1628
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: or they will draft a edge pressure. Yeah, even if

1629
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: there are is fourteen, I think edge rsture is a

1630
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: leaky mean need fucking yeah. Yeah, yeah, it started. Thanks

1631
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: for the coloradge. We just up against it. We edge edges.

1632
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: The sleeper here like Lucas Fanness, I think is getting

1633
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: inside fourteen and forty six. Yeah. Nolan Smith from Georgia,

1634
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: I think is a great josh uj replacement if they're

1635
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: looking to not pay josh Uja long term. He's somebody

1636
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: that they could draft in the first round. But I like, uh,

1637
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: did I think it's a did a Womy did a

1638
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: bar added a bar. Yeah, he's more of like an

1639
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: Northwestern Yeah yeah, so oh yeah. So this is Roger's point,

1640
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: which I think is is something else that I didn't

1641
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: even bring up in the argument they don't draft corners

1642
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: early now you can. That's fair. You can make the

1643
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: argument that data pick early most of the time. They

1644
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: also never drafted wide receivers early. Until they did. They

1645
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 1: never drafted. But even to kill Harry was the thirty

1646
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: second pick in the draft. It wasn't like to kill Harry.

1647
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: When its first round, it's first look at it, by

1648
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: first round. It it's by one pick, it's first round.

1649
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: It's first round. They round numbers. They hadn't taking They

1650
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: hadn't taken a receiver in the first round till they did.

1651
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: They hadn't taking a quarterback in the first round till

1652
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: they did, and taking a guard in the first round

1653
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: till they do. You and I both know that the

1654
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: second round is their dB round. So that fair. But

1655
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. That's more than fair. That's

1656
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: that's fair. But let me ask you this. Let's say

1657
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: because Roderick Jones came away from his pro day, people

1658
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: were reportedly very impressed. Paris Johnson, people were very impressed.

1659
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 1: Let's say those two are gone, Yeah, are because my

1660
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: take isn't that, Oh, they'll take a corner if there's

1661
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: a good one. My take is they will take the

1662
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: best player on the board at a position of need,

1663
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: even if it's an overdraft. Oh boy, let's say you

1664
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: know what, let's do this. Johnson, Broderick Jones, Peter Scronsky,

1665
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: They're all gone, even boring Northwestern's gone. Yeah, okay, are

1666
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: you sticking to your take? I would trade down, absolutely,

1667
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: I definitely trade down. I think the one corner to

1668
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: I think take it to that next step there, or

1669
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: you're going with this. The one corner that I look

1670
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: at that I feel like could be the corner that

1671
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: they take that everybody, most of I'm gonna just say it.

1672
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 1: Casuals are going to be like, what the hell? But

1673
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: mel Kiper and Todd McShay and Daniel Jeremy are gonna

1674
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: be like, no, no, no, this dude's a baller. Deontay Banks.

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: So I was hoping you would ask me the question

1676
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: back I asked you. Yeah, I would say I could

1677
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: see them perceived reach a little bit on a guy

1678
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: like Deontay Banks, because he tested through the roof at

1679
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: the combine and he is a true press man corner.

1680
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: If they trade back, I don't think Banks is a

1681
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: reach for them unless they trade back to they trade

1682
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: back into the twenties. He's not that's not a reach

1683
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,560
Speaker 1: at all. No, I think he could sneak into the

1684
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: late team. I feel like that sneakily could be their

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01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: guy in this draft if they are going to go

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01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: corner in the first round. So here we go. That's

1687
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: what you think, what you think they're gonna do, not

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01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: what you would do. So you agree with because I still,

1689
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: for the life of me, I know we gotta wrap

1690
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 1: this up. I still, for the life of me, cannot

1691
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: figure out why Christian Gonzalez is not a lock to

1692
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: go in the top ten for everybody. Is he not?

1693
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of mock drafts out there. I know

1694
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: it's just mock drafts, but like that are have him

1695
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 1: going in the time I was waiting for him to

1696
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: be a lock in the top five. I think he

1697
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: has a chance to be the first team. I'd still

1698
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: go Will Anderson, Yeah, but I think he's a chance

1699
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: to be the first defensive player off the point as

1700
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: the passing game. I don't understand that. I don't understand

1701
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: how he's not a lock to go on the top

1702
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: ten for everybody. So Christian Gonzalez, that that pushes Joey

1703
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: Porter up a couple of spots. I still think Devin

1704
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: Witherspoon is sort of the guy that gets overhyped a

1705
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: little bit by the media that I don't know if

1706
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 1: the league is going to be quite as high on

1707
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: because he's not. You know, Porter and Gonzalez are these

1708
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: freaky size speed combination guys where there's just not a

1709
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: lot of guys that are six foot two that are

1710
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: as fluid and as fast as those two guys are.

1711
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: Witherspoon is just as just a baller, like he's just

1712
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: a football player, like technically, like he's just like so skilly. Yeah,

1713
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's necessarily this this this

1714
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: ball of clay that Gonzalez and Joey Porter are. So

1715
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: that's the one thing, all right, last last thing, and

1716
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: then Marie Matt's going to kick us out of the studio.

1717
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: I think Ben and Chestnut Hill, what's up? Ben? Hey, guys,

1718
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: it's up, hey, And this on a high note. Ye,

1719
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: just here is I let's trying to be positive here,

1720
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: but I know a few months ago when they put

1721
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: that press ladies out about Grodmeo being extended, that hasn't

1722
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: really happened. And now I'm seeing Joe Judge is going

1723
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: to be like a high level coach and the team

1724
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: to some degree. What's going on with that? Yeah, okay,

1725
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you ended on this because it book

1726
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 1: ends the show. Because we started with this, we can

1727
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 1: end with it for people that are just tuning in now.

1728
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: The Joe Judge thing, I think got a little bit

1729
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 1: misrepresented for exactly what his role is. So Joe Judge

1730
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: is an assistant. I think the best way you can

1731
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: say it is that Joe Judge is an assistant to

1732
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 1: the head coach. He's not the assistant head coach. And

1733
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: those are two very, very different things. This is not,

1734
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: at all, to me, Joe Judge leaping Gerard Mayo in

1735
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: the pecking order of this franchise, not even close. This

1736
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: is Joe Judge is being reassigned and politely told to

1737
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 1: go stand in the back over there by Bill Belichick.

1738
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: But you can still be around because we can use

1739
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: you in certain ways. Right. We can still use you

1740
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: to do some of the research projects and some of

1741
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: the side things that we do going on during the season,

1742
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 1: and we'll have you help out and chip in a

1743
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: little bit on special teams. Joe Judge for in my mind,

1744
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 1: going from quarterbacks coach slash co offensive coordinator to the

1745
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 1: assistant to the assistant regional manager. Is a demotion. This

1746
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: is not a promotion. This is a demotion. He's being

1747
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: told to go up in the press box with the

1748
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: rest of us, right and go and go in the

1749
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 1: weeds in the back, in the back of the of

1750
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 1: the room. Didn't we call it the Ernie Adams roy

1751
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: when Patricia was in it. It's somewhat like he's gonna

1752
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: be special teams Adams, He's going to be a football advisor.

1753
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: He this is a This is not as big of

1754
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: a role as he's out to be. This is not

1755
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: Gerardmeyo is not getting replaced. Gerard Mayo is not getting jumped.

1756
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't even think Bill O'Brien's getting jumped either, honestly,

1757
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 1: if you're trying to think about succession plans here, So

1758
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Joe Judge to me is getting told to go stand

1759
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: in the corner and and everybody should be looking at

1760
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: that and saying that that that he's a can help

1761
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: out on special teams is a good thing for the team,

1762
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: and then be he's getting little less responsibility out on

1763
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: the forefront of things, and say that that's a good thing.

1764
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,879
Speaker 1: Another good way to put it for a little inside Baseball,

1765
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: Joe Judge is I don't think is gonna is not

1766
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: gonna be made available, and we talked to assistant coaches

1767
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: next season. Nobody's gonna have beholding court with Joe Judge.

1768
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: Beatricia talk right, yeah, and Ernie never talked obviously. So

1769
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: this is a behind the scenes type of role. And

1770
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: we'll go out at training camp and we'll see him,

1771
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure, walking around. Maybe we'll be watching special teams

1772
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: drills or something like that. But the hands on coaching

1773
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: is going to be done by other people, and he's

1774
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: gonna have some odd projects that Bill Belichick is probably

1775
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: going to give him to help out behind the scenes.

1776
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: And that's it, So don't look too much into titles

1777
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: and things like that. I think this is a good

1778
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: thing for the Patriots. I think it's a good thing

1779
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: for Joe Judge. It's a role that I think that

1780
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna be fine in and I don't think that

1781
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: people should lose their minds over it. So that about

1782
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 1: wraps it up. I knew that that was gonna go

1783
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: along once we got into it about the corners and

1784
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: the tackles. But Alex and I will be back next week.

1785
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll have some wide receiver news by then, and

1786
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: hopefully it's to the Patriots, but if it's not, then

1787
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: at least we'll kind of be able to see where

1788
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: the cards lie and we'll get back into the draft

1789
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: and all that good stuff now that free agency is

1790
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: starting to slow down a little bit. But until next week.

1791
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 1: Signing off for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for

1792
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: watching and listening, and please make sure to leave us

1793
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,000
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1794
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:57,559
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