1 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Children know. They may not have all the information, they 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: may not know exactly the details or exactly what the 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: adults are upset about, but they know something drawn and 4 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: they normally know more than the adults think that they do. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: And this was absolutely the case. In nineteen seventy two, 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: my sister Shelley and I were extremely aware that our 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: mother was really upset about something that had occurred north 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: of Atlanta. A little girl had been abducted and they 9 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: could not find her, and it went on for over 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: a week, and then they found her murdered, and my 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: mother was just not okay with it. It was after 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Christmas time, everybody was back in school, and this little 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: girl had been so brutally harmed. Nobody knew who the 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: killer was, and the witness has said he was in 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: a truck, and our mom thought he could be anywhere. 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: He could be down here, he could be in South Georgia, 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: he could be in West Georgia. So she made us 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: aware that we needed to be more careful and she 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: didn't want us going too far from the house. But 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: the reality is didn't matter if you were in your 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: own front yard. Sometimes children are taken from their own 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: front yard. July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty one. Adam was 23 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: just six years old when he was abducted from the 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Seers department store. His mom was just in the next aisle. 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: She did what every mom does at some point. You 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: stay right here with the older kids and look at 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: this video game. I'll be right back. It wasn't even 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: ten minutes and when she came back, the older boys 29 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: and Adam were gone. Now unbeknownst to her, she didn't 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: know that a security guard came over and said, hey, 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: y'all are being a little rambunctious. Y'all need to go. 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: So the older boys just started leaving the store. Well, 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: Adam followed him. He thought that's what he was supposed 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: to do. His mom immediately started to search for him, 35 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: immediately started to panic, looked all over the store, surrounding area, 36 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: and then the police were involved. August the tenth, nineteen 37 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: eighty one, only Adam's head was found by fishermen one 38 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: hundred miles away in Vero Beach, Florida. Adam's father, John Walsh, 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: he started America's Most Wanted. He and his wife threw 40 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: everything they had into We are going to help every 41 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: child that we can, whether it's subduction, missing, runaway, or 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: missing and then found murdered. They were relentless in their 43 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: advocacy for every child. But that is not where the 44 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: family business stops. And tonight we are, I think, in 45 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: the presence of somebody that has done something so extraordinary 46 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: that he has decided that he is going to take 47 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: up and dedicate his life to also helping children for 48 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: a brother he never had the chance to meet. And 49 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: it is a great honor for me to introduce y'all 50 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: to Callahan Walsh. Callahan, thank you so much for being 51 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: a part of his own. 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: Seven Cheryl, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. 53 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: And you know, every single time I've ever talked to 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: you and I've said things like, you know, it's just 55 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: amazing what you do. It is incredible what your parents 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: have done, you always say basically the same sentiment and 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: you say, that's nice of you to say, or thank 58 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: you so much. But the reality is you could have 59 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: gone on and done a lot of things. You could 60 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: have distanced yourself from sadness and horrific events and children 61 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: being murdered, but you, like your parents, decided, you know what, 62 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: Adam's death is not going to be in vain. I 63 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: heard your mama say that over and over and over 64 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: in different interviews, and I think that is so powerful, 65 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: when anybody can turn their grief into something so extraordinary. 66 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: That's how I grew up, you know. I watched my 67 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: parents channel their emotions and their anger and their energy 68 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: over what happened to Adam to make sure that Adam 69 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: didn't die in vain. You know, we celebrated this little 70 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: boy's life. As you mentioned, I never met Adam. Adam 71 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: was kidnapped before I was born, but I knew everything 72 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: about that little boy. We celebrated his birthdays. I knew 73 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: his favorite sports and movies, Baseball and Star Wars, you know. 74 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: And they said, you know, if Adam's song is to continue, 75 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: then we must do the singing. And we try to 76 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: do that every single day, whether it's at the National 77 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: Center for Missing Exploited Children, bringing home finding missing kids, 78 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: to fighting against exploitation, to you know, my father hosting 79 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 2: Americs Most Wanted and now me co hosting his show 80 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: in Pursuit and finding, you know, still finding fugitives, profiling 81 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: these wanted bad guys and hopes to get the tips 82 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: that bring them to justice. You know, we know there 83 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: are so many families out there that are seeking justice, 84 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: and whether it's finding their missing child or child that's 85 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: been exploited, to the cases that we do on the 86 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: show of murders and serial rapists, and you know, the 87 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: worst of the worst that we profile on on In Pursuit. 88 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: I'm honored, honestly to follow in their footsteps. It's a 89 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: pursuit that, you know. I always imagined one day I 90 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: would eventually be working at the National Center for Missing 91 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: Exploited Children. I just didn't know when. I didn't know 92 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: it would be so early in my professional career, but 93 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: I worked on Americs Most Wanted. I was a producer 94 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: for the show. When the show was ultimately canceled on 95 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: Fox after twenty five years, I worked in development and 96 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: creating a new show for my father, The Hunt, that 97 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 2: went to CNN, and that's when I made my break 98 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: over the National Center and I've been working there ever 99 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: since now, of course, also joining my father on his 100 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: new show again in Pursuit on Investigation Discovery. But I 101 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: know I have the biggest shoes to fill with my 102 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: father and my mother. But I'm just honored to be 103 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: able to continue Adam's legacy and continue what they started. 104 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: And see, that's what I love about what you're doing, 105 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: because you're carving your own way. I mean, they forged 106 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: a path, there's no question about it. But they forged 107 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: a path for a lot of people, not just you. 108 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people doing incredible work because of 109 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: the groundwork they laid. But you, you're doing things your 110 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: parents never did. 111 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: And we couldn't do it without the other child advocates 112 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: that joined the fight. I mean when we started the 113 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: National Center for Missing Exploited Children originally was the Adam 114 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: Walsh Resource Center, that's what it was called. And my 115 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: mother had the idea to create a place at some 116 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: place that parents could go to when they're looking for 117 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: their missing child because they realized that there was no 118 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: support when they were looking for Adam. Local law enforcement, 119 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: of course they wanted to help, they didn't know how, 120 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: and there was no response from any federal or state 121 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: body to come in and help save the day. They 122 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: realized that there was really no organization out there. And 123 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: in the wake of Adam's disappearance, the Hollywood Post Office 124 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: this is Hollywood, Florida, estimates that they delivered over forty 125 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: thousand pieces of mail to my parents' home in the 126 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: wake of Adam's disappearance. Many were letters of condolence, but 127 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: many were letters of other parents who had missing children, 128 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: whose cases were not getting the same attention that Adam's 129 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: case got. You have to think back in nineteen eighty one, 130 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: it was difficult to get a missing child case elevated 131 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: to national national news, and an Adam's case captivated the country, 132 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: but there were so many other kids out there who 133 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 2: were missing at the same time Adam went missing, whose 134 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: cases were not getting the attention that Adams got. And 135 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: so when my parents, you know, received these letter after letter, 136 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: they knew that something had to be done, and so 137 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: they started the Adam Wulsh Resource Center in our garage 138 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: off a card table and a landline telephone. People remember 139 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: what a landline telephone was. But it's the other child 140 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: advocates that have joined the fight, whether it's the employees 141 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: at the National Center were over five hundred full time employees. 142 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: Now it's just amazing how many people just are dedicated 143 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: to the cause, but also all the other organizations and 144 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: ngngos and grassroots local organizations that there's just so many 145 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: people that have have now joined the fight. It's it's 146 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: amazing to see how many people are out there and 147 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: want to protect our nation's most vulnerable population, our children. 148 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: And you know, that's something I remember about your mama. 149 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: Often when she was on an interview, she would mention 150 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: other missing children. She would use her platform to make 151 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: sure there was some equal billin here. And I remember thinking, 152 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: that's the most extraordinary thing I've ever seen. 153 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you remember, they even had a made for 154 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: TV movie. Again, we're talking landline telephones and made for 155 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: TV movies. We're talking eighties here, right, There wasn't the 156 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: movie Adam. At the end of that movie, my parents 157 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: made sure that other images of missing children were broadcasted 158 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: during the credits. So at the end of the movie, 159 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: when the credits were rolling, they were showing images of 160 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: active missing children's cases. And it was so successful in 161 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: finding those missing children in quite a few of them, 162 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: that they had to re edit the credit of that 163 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: movie so that they could enter more missing children in 164 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: there because so many of them had been found. And 165 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: that was really what was one of the turning points 166 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: and understanding, Hey, the public is the force multiplier here. 167 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: The public can help us in this mission, the public 168 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: can help find missing kids because they're the eyes and 169 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: ears on the ground. Yes, law enforcement does an incredible 170 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: job of helping find missing children, and we work with 171 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: law enforcement both local, state, and federal authorities and those partnerships. 172 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: We weren't able to do what we're able to do 173 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: without that. But the public, I mean, that's the reason 174 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: we put out the posters. That's the reason we put 175 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: out images of missing children. Also takes is one person, 176 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: it's got to be the right person. It also takes 177 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: is one person to spot that missing child that could 178 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: be the reason that child is reunited with their family. 179 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: And so after that made for TV movie Adam, my 180 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: parents were quick realize, hey, this is this, this works, 181 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: and so we've been doing that as well at the 182 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: National Center, and we circulated missing children's posters literally in 183 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: the billions since our inception, because we know it works. 184 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: My children would tell you that I was somewhat overprotective, 185 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: and you know, you can't help it in this business, 186 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: because you know people say, oh, you know, for the kids, 187 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: stay together, stay right in front of the house. Well, 188 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: I know that's what Amber Hackerman did. She did everything right, 189 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: She did everything that we tell children to do, and 190 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: she was kidnapped anyway. But what I heard you say 191 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: one time just hit me like a ton of bricks, 192 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: and I thought, how incredible were your parents because you 193 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: said I was allowed to play outside? 194 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: And I think, I think most people would think, after 195 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: what happened to them, that my parents would never, you know, 196 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: would lock me in a room and I had never 197 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: never see the light of day. But my parents understood, 198 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: you know, is you know what it's like to be 199 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: a child and what a child needs growing up. And 200 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: we want children to be able to play outside. We 201 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: want children to be able to live in an environment 202 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: that they can feel safe. Every child deserves a safe childhood, 203 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: and we want to make sure that children can play outside. Still, 204 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: even in this day and age, you know, you know, 205 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: we just saw the horrible stranger kidnapping in Upstate New 206 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: York in twenty twenty three. These things still happen, but 207 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: we want to empower children to be able to make 208 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: safe and smart decisions. We want to be able to 209 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: teach parents how to instill safety messaging and talk to 210 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: their kids about identifying risky situations and learning how to 211 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 2: avoid them. You know, my parents still let me play outside. 212 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: They knew that I needed to be, you know, an 213 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: independent little kid to become a functioning adult, and they 214 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: couldn't be the helicopter parent all the time. And so well, yes, 215 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: I had every rule in the book instilled in me, 216 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: you know, I even those early anecdotal ones. You know, 217 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: no name on the backpack and have the safety word, 218 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: and you know all this stuff. And I think, you know, 219 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: the National Center for Missing has played children. We have 220 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: some incredible child safety prevention education programs out there, but 221 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: every program that the National Center's ever put out, I 222 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: was basically beta tested on. I feel like as a kid, 223 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: so I know them all. But at the same time, 224 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: it's about, you know, understanding those rules and understanding, you know, 225 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: what to do in a situation. You know, we've been 226 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: analyzing attempted abductions at the National Center for over a decade. 227 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: We know over eighty percent of the time when a 228 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: child is in that situation where they're actively being abducted, 229 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: eighty percent of the time they were The reason they 230 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: were able to get away was something that that child 231 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: did proactively. It wasn't an adult coming in to save 232 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 2: the day. It was something that that child did. Like kicking, screaming, 233 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: you know, drawing attention to the situation. And so it 234 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: really is about empowering children with that safety messaging and 235 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: making sure that they understand, well, hey, you know, yes, 236 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: you can be out here and be independent and let's 237 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: you know, you can have a good time, but if 238 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: something happens, you know you need you need to make 239 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: sure that you're doing everything in your power to prevent 240 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: that individual from taking you to that second location, as 241 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: we always talk about. And so yeah, I grew up 242 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: with with all that safety messaging and you know when 243 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: I started at the National Center, to tell you the truth, 244 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: I started and I still continue to work in outreach 245 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: prevention education, but that's where I started. Prevention will always 246 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: hold a special place in my heart. I truly believe, 247 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: you know, an ounce of prevention's worth of pound to cure. We, 248 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: of course, at the National Center for Missing Exploited Children, 249 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: want to make sure kids don't go missing or become 250 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: exploited in the first place, and so taking in all 251 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: the information, all the cases that we work on, whether 252 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: it's the thirty thousand active missing children's cases that we're 253 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: working on at any one time, in our Missing Children's division, 254 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: or the thirty two million reports of child sexual exploitation 255 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: that we receive through our cyber Tipline that happen you know, online, 256 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: last year in twenty twenty two alone. We're looking at 257 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: this data, we're analyzing it, We're spotting trends and creating 258 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: prevention education material out of this research to make sure 259 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: that children are empowered and have the latest information and 260 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: data at their fingertips to make sure that they're making 261 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: again these safe and spark decisions, whether it's online or 262 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: in the real world. 263 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: Thirty two million. 264 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: Thirty two million reports to our cyber tipline last year 265 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: loan suspected child sexual exploitation. Those numbers are unacceptable for 266 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: the listeners that don't know what the cyber tip line is. 267 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: It's a it's a tipline that we offer at the 268 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: National Center for Missing Exploited Children. We take in reports, yes, 269 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: from the public, we'd taken a lot of reports from 270 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: internet service providers as well. We're talking all the social 271 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: media platforms you know of Google, Microsoft, all of it, 272 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: you name it. Thirty two million reports of suspective child 273 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: sexual exploitation online came into the National Center through our 274 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: cyber tipline in twenty twenty two alone. 275 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: Now, Adams case change the way law enforcement investigates cases. 276 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Can you tell us how You're absolutely right? 277 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: Adam's case changed the way not only law enforcement, but 278 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: the way the public looks and investigates and deals with 279 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: Missing Jillames cases. But you know, with law enforcement, it's 280 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: interesting because the FBI had actually had just created the 281 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: NCIC just before Adam's disappearance, and while they had all 282 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: sorts of criminal cases in there, they refused to enter 283 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: Adam's case. They had the cases of stolen race sources, 284 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: but yet refuse to enter the case of a soul 285 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: and child. That's changed. Not only are the FBI a strong, 286 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: strong and lasting partner at the National Center, where we 287 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: have FBI agents who are assigned to the National Center 288 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: literally where their desk is at our headquarters. The work 289 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: that we do with the FBI through Operation Cross Country. 290 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: If your listeners are familiar with Operation Cross Country, it's 291 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: a sting operation to catch child sex traffickers and rescue survivors. 292 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: That operation was done right out of our HQ last year. 293 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: And so these partnerships run deep, and it's not just 294 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: federal partnerships which is incredible. I mean our federal partnerships, 295 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: it allows us to do what we're able to do, 296 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: whether it's FBI Marshals, Secret Service that they're all credible partners, 297 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: but the local and state partnerships as well, working and 298 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: training law enforcement. We've trained over four h and fifty 299 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: thousand law enforcement professionals at our organization in how to 300 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: search for missing children, how to do a poster distribution, 301 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: how to do grid searches, and landfill searches. We've trained 302 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: so many because we know so much, but we want 303 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 2: to spread this to every jurisdiction in the country. And 304 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: so not only do we have these trainings and bringing 305 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: law enforcement to our organization, but we also have Team Adam, 306 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: which just celebrated its twentieth anniversary. And Team Adam is 307 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: a group of retired law enforcement professionals and they all 308 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: specialize in missing children's cases. They're Team ADAM members. They're 309 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: spread spread out throughout the country, and when a child, 310 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: an active missing child case pops up again like the 311 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: case we saw in Upstate New York just recently, we 312 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: deploy Team Adam on site and they become boots on 313 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: the ground and allow law enforce local law enforcement to 314 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: be hooked up with all the resources that we have 315 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: at the National Center, including all of our federal partnerships 316 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: as well, and that can be anything from again those 317 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 2: searches to k nines to drones, to poster distribution, even 318 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 2: handling the media. You know, sometimes we have these cases 319 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 2: where the local jurisdiction is like five officers and you 320 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: have a missing child case that just captivates the nation's attention, 321 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 2: and you have NBC Nightly News showing up and Good 322 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: Morning America and the Today's Show and the Nurson Cooper 323 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: and you know, all these people descending, you know, on 324 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: the small location. And sometimes it's even helped just with 325 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: the media and how to deal with that. And so, 326 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: you know, we try to take all the experience that 327 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: we've gained over these forty years of operation to help 328 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: these local jurisdictions when they're actively dealing with a critical 329 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: missing child case and calian. 330 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: It must drive you crazy when things like del Fi 331 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: happen and all the work that you've done and all 332 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: the effort and all the teams and you still have 333 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement say, well, they've just run away. 334 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Delphi case is I covered, I profiled that 335 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: case on On in Pursuit, on Investigation Discovery, on my show, 336 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: and not a typical case I would would do. Honestly, 337 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 2: I hand picked that case was the case I wanted 338 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: to do because because Abby and Libby, you know those 339 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: two girls, I just you know, I see their picture 340 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: and I just I you know, I can't imagine what 341 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: they went through. You know the wherewithal that both of 342 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: those girls had to record their abductor just moments before 343 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: the fatal incident occurred. You know that, how terrified those 344 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: girls must have been. I knew it was the case 345 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: we had to do. And I say, it's a case 346 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 2: we don't typically do because On in Pursuit, just like 347 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: Americas must want we profile and wanted fugitive, Well, we 348 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: know who the bad guy is, we just don't know 349 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: where he is. In this case, we don't know who 350 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: did it. And that's what's so baffling, because you have 351 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: a small, tight knit community. You have a case where 352 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: this guy traverses I've been on that bridge, and I 353 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: know your listeners know exactly what I'm talking about, But 354 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: there is a bridge that Abby and Livy recorded. This 355 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: perpetrator walked across this bridge that he walked across. He 356 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: had his hands in his pockets. I've walked across that bridge. 357 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 2: It is beyond treacherous. 358 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: Preach, yes, And if you. 359 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: Are going to walk across that bridge with your hands 360 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: in your pockets, you know that era you've walked across 361 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: that bridge before. There are rapids below that bridge, hundreds 362 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: of feet down, rocks everywhere. And for him to be 363 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: able to stroll across that bridge right upon those girls, 364 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 2: and his cadence and his walk and the clothing that 365 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: he was wearing, it baffles me that community cannot figure 366 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 2: out what happened and who that individual is. It baffles 367 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: me that they cannot identify this individual. And so the 368 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: Delphi case, I mean, like many others, haunts me still 369 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: to this day. And it's you know, it's I know 370 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: local law enforcements wants nothing but to find their killers. 371 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: It's it's been an interesting investigation. There's been twists and turns, 372 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: there's been new information and new sketches, and they you know, 373 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: it's one that I just can't believe hasn't been solved. 374 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: I just can't believe it. I really can't. 375 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: A fourteen year old girl gave us the best evidence ever. 376 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: Audioadio, audio and video. 377 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And to your point, you've got the clothing, you've 378 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: got the cadence, you've got enough of him that if 379 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: you knew him, you should have been able to say, 380 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that's blank. And then when the first 381 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: composite came out, and then the second composite came out, 382 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I don't want to lose faith 383 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: in what they're doing, but I don't understand this. I 384 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: don't understand how we have two opposite looking people and 385 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: you told us to scrap this one, and now it's 386 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: this guy and he's so much younger. 387 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, I don't. 388 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Know you picked the right one. And I mean everyone 389 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: is the right one. Every case, you know, deserves as 390 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: much publicity as possible because. 391 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: And that's the hardest part. 392 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: That's the hardest part. 393 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: It's turning down cases. 394 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: Yes, because you only have so much time. 395 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, it breaks my heart. You know when people 396 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: reach out on social media or right to the show, 397 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: and I encourage people to do so because we have 398 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: picked some incredible cases from it. You know, the media 399 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: tries to tries to capture a lot of these, but 400 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 2: we find cases that the media hasn't covered at all. 401 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: Family reaches out because, of course, you know, when we're 402 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: ever doing a case on the show, we want two things. 403 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: One the blessing of the family. Of course, we're never 404 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: going to do a case. We're never going to drag 405 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: you back through this traumatic experience if you don't want to, 406 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: if you don't want us to profile the case, we're 407 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 2: not going to. But we also need law enforcement. We 408 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: need law enforcement to open up their books, to open 409 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: up the case files, to show us what's going on 410 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: in the investigation, to see where they've hit a dead end, 411 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: to see where they've they've hit some crossroads. That's the 412 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: hardest part when families reach out saying, hey, we want, 413 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: we want you to do this case on the show, 414 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 2: and for X, Y and Z reasons we're not able to. 415 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: It breaks my heart. 416 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 1: What can parents do? I mean, I know y'all have 417 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: some places where they can go and learn how to 418 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: prevent abductions and you know, sexual exploitation, But just give 419 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: parents a few little things right now, Just what should 420 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: they be doing? 421 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: Sure, you know, number one, talking to your kids. Talk 422 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: to your kids about making safe and smart decisions. You know, 423 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: when it comes to prevention education and what the real world, 424 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: you know, abduction prevention, it's, you know, making sure that 425 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 2: your kids know your whole name. They, especially the young kids, 426 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: they need to know mom and dad's full name. They 427 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: need to know their address, they need to know mom 428 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: and dad's phone numbers. You know, there's some really great 429 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: prevention education curriculum through our kid Smarts program. Anybody can 430 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: go to Missing kids dot org. That's the website for 431 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: the National Center for Missing Exploited Children. Click on our 432 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: education tab. Kids Smarts teaches children the four rules of 433 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: personal safety to make sure that they are making safe 434 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: and smart decisions. Again, in the real world, we know 435 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: most of these abductions happen between two and seven PM 436 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: when a child is walking to or from a school 437 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: related activity, and we use the four rules of personal safety. 438 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: Check first, take a friend, tell people know, and tell 439 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: a trust of the adult. It's simple messaging for young kids, 440 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 2: but for online safety, you know, those conversations need to 441 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: mature as the child matures as well. And so that's 442 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: again why I go back to have it making sure 443 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: parents are having successful and ongoing conversations with their kids 444 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: about safety. I always give you when it comes to 445 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: online safety, I give parents my top three rules or 446 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: you know, safety tips. Number one, try to understand the 447 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 2: technology the best you can. You know, we understand not 448 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: going to be a child safety expert overnight, and sometimes 449 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: that knowledge gap can be so severe. You know, some 450 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: parents didn't grow up with the internet and children can 451 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 2: be running circles around them. So talk to your kids, 452 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: ask them what what apps are they using? You know, 453 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: download them yourself, poke around. That's the best way. If 454 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: you poke around and figure out how they work. Sign 455 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: up for them, get a pro file. That way, you 456 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 2: can friend your child and make sure you know that 457 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 2: there's their profile is also set to private, and make 458 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: sure you know you can see who they're messaging and whatnot. 459 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: So number one is try to understand the technology the 460 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 2: best you can. Number two is to set ground rules 461 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: and stick to them, especially if there's been any bad 462 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: behavior in the past. And number three is back to 463 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: those conversations. Have ongoing conversations with your kids about safety, 464 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 2: because when they're young and they're first getting online, that 465 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: conversation needs to be simple, easy for a child to understand. 466 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: But as that child gets older and matures, that conversation 467 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: needs to mature as well. The conversation you have with 468 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: your youngest child about online safety is a vastly different 469 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: conversation than you're having with your sixteen seventeen year old 470 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: about online safety, about you know, romances that they're having 471 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: online and sending nudes and you know, all these sort 472 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: of things. Parents need to continue having that dial Unfortunately, 473 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 2: parents can't raise their children the same way our parents 474 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 2: raised us. The online landscape, you know, is here to stay. 475 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: Internet has created life for the better in so many ways, 476 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 2: but has created so many new ways to exploit children. 477 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: At the same time, parents need to be aware of that, 478 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: and they need to be empowering their children with this 479 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: safety messaging. 480 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, my son Huck played sports all through school 481 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: and everything, and sometimes he would say, oh, I don't 482 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: feel like practicing, or I don't feel like putting in 483 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: the extra work after practice, And inevitably he would say, hey, mom, 484 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: you know what my competition is doing right now, working out? 485 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: So he would get up and go work out because 486 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: he realized, you know, you don't have to, but that 487 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: person's trying to take your spot, or that person is 488 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: trying to beat you in a competition. Well that's how 489 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: I see criminals. You don't have to keep up if 490 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to, but I promise you that person 491 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: is figuring out a way to get to your child, Cheryl. 492 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: We saw, especially during the pandemic, we saw tons of 493 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: chatter on the dark web amongst exploiters sharing best practices, 494 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: talking about how this is a great time. All kids 495 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: are experiencing increase screen time their home, but they're on 496 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: their computers. And when you have access to a child, 497 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: you know, we used to have that family computer out 498 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: in the living room. That's not how it is anymore. 499 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: You know. 500 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: Most of the computers that we have, it's either a 501 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: laptop that can travel, or a cell phone. And that 502 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: cell phone goes into the bedroom at night, into the 503 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 2: bathroom with children as a high death camera right on it. 504 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: Yep. 505 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: And so you're absolutely right, you know. We again, we 506 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: saw this chatter amongst these exploiters on the dark web, 507 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: sharing best practices, tips and tricks have to groom children, 508 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: how to lure them and how to entice them online, 509 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: how to avoid detection from parents and law enforcement. These 510 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: exploiters are working together to build a playbook and using 511 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: social media platforms as a private hunting preserve to pray 512 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: on our children. So while you're sitting there and thinking, oh, 513 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: this isn't a big deal, and know my child is 514 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: you know I can see my kids. They're right there 515 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: on the couch. That's giving you a false sense of 516 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 2: security if you don't know what kind of activity your 517 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,239 Speaker 2: child's getting into online. These are some conversations you need 518 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: to start having. 519 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: And again going back to Delphi, the grandparents had no idea. 520 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: The parents had no idea, her older sister had no 521 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: idea that Libby had been in contact with anybody over snapchat. 522 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: So again I can't echo what you're saying loud enough. 523 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: Have the honest conversations. Children are already aware friends are 524 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: telling them different things. They already know there's predators out there. 525 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: You need to be able to tell them the truth. 526 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: And you know, it is a bit reassuring because we're 527 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: starting to see those types of conversations online as well too, 528 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: where you know, kids are you know, well, these exploiters 529 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: are reaching out to them. The kids are fighting back 530 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: and they're they're they're you know, smartening up to these 531 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: type of types of exploitation, and that always warms my heart. 532 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: You know, we get these these chat logs in and 533 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: a kid is has not fallen for it and giving 534 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: it right back to the exploiter. That's always it's always interesting. 535 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: But you know, they're so accessible, that's that I think 536 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: that's what parents don't understand, even whether it's through you know, 537 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: regular online activity, but even through gaming channels. I mean, 538 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: we're seeing it more and more this issue of what 539 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: we call sex stortion. Sextortion is a trend we didn't 540 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: even have a word for a few years ago, but 541 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: it's where an exploiter will essentially get their hands on 542 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: a sexually explicit image of a child and then blackmail 543 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: them for either more explicit photos or monetary goods and services, 544 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: and so that child is essentially blackmailed. And what we're seeing, 545 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: what we should say. What we saw in the early 546 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: stages of sextortion were individuals who were praying mostly on 547 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: teenage girls for sexually explicit content. They were befriending them online, 548 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: building you know what this young girl thought was perhaps 549 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: a romantic relationship, requesting that nude image or semi nude image, 550 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: and then once that image was sent, that exploiter would 551 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: use that as blackmail to request more explicit content. And 552 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: of course that the explicit nature would ramp up over time. Unfortunately, 553 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: what we're seeing right now is an explosion in what 554 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: we call financial sex stortion, where boys are being targeted 555 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: through online gaming platforms. And again, this is what goes 556 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: back to you know, many parents like, oh, well, the 557 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: chat rooms and this and that, Well, no, we're starting 558 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: to see it and gaming platforms, online gaming platforms where 559 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: individuals are using whether it's in game currency or items 560 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: or experience in the games, to befriend and earn the 561 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: trust of young boys, and they will request again a 562 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: sexually explicit image from that child. Once that image is received, 563 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 2: those tables are immediately turned and there are requesting you know, 564 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: wire transfer of money or gift cards or whatnot. And 565 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: what we saw last year alone, over twelve boys in 566 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: the United States, over a dozen boys committed suicide because 567 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: they were victims of sextortion. Children who you know, this 568 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: isn't a mental health crisis. The issue. This isn't our 569 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: children who were suicidal before this. They were driven to 570 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: suicide because of the shame and guilt of these images 571 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: being exposed to their friends and families and whatnot. And 572 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: in fact, we just saw an extradition. It's incredible and 573 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: hats off to law enforcement on this. An extradition of 574 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: an individual, a child predator from Nigeria who was praying 575 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 2: on a young boy for financial gains again in the 576 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: case of financial sextortion, and that boy committed suicide unfortunately, 577 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: and the individual who was responsible for that was extra 578 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 2: dated from Nigeria to the United States and his pending 579 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 2: trial as we speak. 580 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: That is fantastic and that's what should happen, you know, 581 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of times people will say to me, well, 582 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: how bad is the problem, and I said, well, we 583 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: had to invent a registry because there's that many. You 584 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: need to know where they're living. I said earlier that 585 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: you're paving your own way. But I have to tell 586 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: people at crime Con, I saw you and Joe Mullins 587 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: doing something that was so extraordinary and he's going to 588 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: be on Zone seven sometime. But I've got to go 589 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: ahead and mention this because again when you say, you know, 590 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: how do I set myself apart? How can I do 591 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: something more? How can I do something that's so unique 592 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: and also helpful? Well, at crime Con, I got my 593 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: socks knocked off. So tell everybody what y'all did in 594 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: real time right there in front of everybody. 595 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, yeah, that was fantastic. Right. So, Joe Mullins, 596 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, he is a longtime forensic imaging specialist 597 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: here at the National Center for Missing Exploited Children. I've 598 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 2: known Joe for a very long time, a very dedicated 599 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: individual and awesome, awesome guy. And so what we did 600 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: is we worked so crime con this year was in Orlando, 601 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: So we worked with the local Medical Examiner's Office in Orlando, 602 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: and we requested the remains of any unidentified children who 603 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: have been found in the area, whose cases are still 604 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 2: unsolved and are still unidentified. And so the local Medical 605 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: Examiner's Office provided us with a case of our anthropologists, 606 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: because we first consult forensic anthropologists before we start a 607 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 2: forensic reconstruction. So what the Medical Examiner's Office did is 608 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: they CT scan the skull and then we had two 609 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: different three D prints, one to one exact replicas of 610 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 2: the skull printed. And this was the case of the 611 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: unidentified remains of what was believed to be between the 612 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 2: ages of twelve and eighteen years old Caucasian female whose 613 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: remains were found in a heavily wooded area that was 614 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: formerly used as a garbage dump. Her remains found. She 615 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 2: had two gunshot wounds to the head, one from left 616 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: to right and one sort of diagonal through her through 617 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: her face kind of from the back, sort of from 618 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: the temple out through the nasal passage, and her remains 619 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: began have gone unidentified. This is a cold case. This 620 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 2: is nineteen seventy three. It's a fifty year old case. 621 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: Her remains have gone unidentified since nineteen seventy three. And 622 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: so what Joe does when he starts with these forensic 623 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: reconstructions is, of course again consult the friends Aga anthropologist. 624 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 2: They said, okay, twelve everything it was actually I think 625 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 2: it was thirteen to eighteen years old, So we shoot 626 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 2: down the middle. Joe was like, okay, we're going to 627 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: aim for about a sixteen year old here, fifteen to 628 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 2: sixteen year old. What we were able determine we knew 629 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 2: she was Caucasian. She she's white. We also did know 630 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 2: that she had brown hair. We don't always get that information, 631 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: but she had brown hair pulled back in a ponytail. 632 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 2: And so what Joe will start to do using oil 633 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 2: based clay is start the forensic reconstruction lay in tissue 634 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: dept markers, start putting in muscle, ligature, cartilage, trying to 635 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 2: determine what this child may have looked like in life, 636 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 2: in hopes that somebody there at crime Con would identify 637 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: who this child is. So Joe starting in day one 638 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 2: to get this takes him about typically about two weeks 639 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: to do these facial reconstructions. He had three days, so 640 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 2: lots of coffee, but Joe powered through and again a 641 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 2: great crowd at crime Con, lots of questions, and so 642 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 2: Joe starts with those tissue dept markers laying in the ligature, 643 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: trying to, you know, figuring out where the tip of 644 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,479 Speaker 2: the noses, what orientation the nose is in, how thick 645 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: or thin it should be. Does this person have detached 646 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 2: or attached deer lobes. In fact, that he could determine 647 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: from the skull she had detached deer lobs, that's the 648 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: genetic marker. He could also determine which direction her nose 649 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: was pointed, where the tip of her nose was We 650 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: saw that she had a slight overbite as well. We 651 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 2: were also able to determine through a biochemical analysis that 652 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: while her remains were found in Florida. She was not 653 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 2: from Florida and she had only been in Florida for 654 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 2: a few months because the pollen that was found on 655 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 2: her remains, and the pollen was from of that recent season, 656 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: meaning the pollen found on her body was unique only 657 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: to the northwestern part of the United States, possibly the 658 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 2: midwestern part of the United States as well. And so 659 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 2: with this information, we are trying to spark that recognition, 660 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 2: try to get somebody who may recognize who this person, 661 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 2: who this child was in life, in hopes that we 662 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 2: can determine we can find out their name, we can 663 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 2: find out what happened to them, and provide the family 664 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: with these answers. You know, again, you have to think 665 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 2: it's nineteen seventy three when these remains were found. There's 666 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: no social media, there's no cell phones, you know. Was 667 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 2: she traveling with a companion, was she traveling with a boyfriend? 668 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 2: You know, there's a really strong possibility that our family 669 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 2: had no idea she was even in Florida, hence why 670 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 2: there was no missing child report matching her description in 671 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 2: the area. So her remains have gone unidentified and we're 672 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 2: hoping that somebody can identify her remains based on the 673 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: facial reconstruction that Joe did right there at Crime con 674 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 2: in front of all the attendees, right there on the floor. 675 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 2: Over those three days he hand built that in clay, 676 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 2: which we have now at our Florida branch. We have 677 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 2: a Florida branch of the National Center for Missing Employee Children. 678 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 2: That that bust is now in our Florida office and 679 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 2: will continue to be used in hopes to identify this 680 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 2: this Jane Doe. 681 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you it was the most 682 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: extraordinary thing to watch. It was just a god given 683 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: gift to watch him work. And you know, when you 684 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: start with that first day, I mean, it looks like 685 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: a skeleton. It looks kind of almost like are you 686 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: making some kind of Halloween mask. 687 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of creepy at first, kind of creepy. 688 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: And I know, Caroline, you met my daughter. She was 689 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: with me and she was like, okay, like he's got 690 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: a ways to go, you know. But then Saturday we 691 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: started to really see wait a minute, and then by 692 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon there she was yeah. 693 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 2: Oh she's got his hair and a scrunchy and everything. 694 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, it comes to life and 695 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 2: that's what Joe. Joe always says. You know, once I 696 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 2: see someone staring back at me, that's when I stopped. 697 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: And then everybody there was taking pictures to share on 698 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: social media. So it was just a brilliant way to 699 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: get this unidentified cold case some national attention because everybody 700 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: was sharing it. 701 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what we wanted. Look, hey, it would 702 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 2: have been great if somebody there at Crime con recognize 703 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 2: that child, but hey, take a picture of him post 704 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 2: on social media. It also takes as one person again 705 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: to spark that recognition when we see that all the 706 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 2: time at the National Center. Our whole database of missing 707 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 2: children's cases are available at our website missingkids dot org. 708 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 2: You can go and search through every single one of 709 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 2: our cases that we have active right now. If there's 710 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 2: a case from your community, or a case that you 711 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 2: think is not getting the attention that it deserves, post 712 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 2: on yours on your feet. Maybe a friend or a 713 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,439 Speaker 2: family member, somebody that follows you recognizes that child. Also 714 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 2: takes as one kid. You could be the reason that 715 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 2: that child is reunited with their family, or a case 716 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 2: like this one that these unidentified remains are identified and 717 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 2: a family finally gets those answers that they've been desperately 718 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 2: searching for. 719 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: Callahan. There's no way to talk to you without getting 720 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: fired up. But I'm just ready to go load up 721 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: the truck, go save some children. 722 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 723 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: So tell us what your goals are for the future 724 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,959 Speaker 1: and how we can support you. What do you need 725 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: from us? 726 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely well, you know, we're always trying to put ourselves 727 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 2: out of a job at the National Center. We're always 728 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: trying to We always want to say like, hey, the 729 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 2: last missing child's been found. No children, wo let me 730 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 2: go missing again. Unfortunately we're not there, and we are 731 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:27,240 Speaker 2: a nonprofit. We rely on the generous donations of individuals, 732 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 2: and so you know, for listeners to go out and 733 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 2: come to our website, we're missing kids dot org. 734 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: Again. 735 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 2: We have some great educational programs. If you have a 736 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 2: child in your life, look at our net Smart's program, 737 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 2: look at our Kids Smarts program. We've got resources that 738 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 2: can help them make safe and smart decisions. But for 739 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 2: our active cases, for the cases of exploitation we're fighting against, 740 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 2: for the missing children, we're trying to actively find donations. 741 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 2: I can't stress it enough. It really is what keeps 742 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 2: our doors open, our lights on. If it weren't for 743 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 2: our generous donors, we wouldn't be able to help recover. 744 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: We've recovered over four hundred thousand missing children since our inception, 745 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 2: and that doesn't happen without the generous donations of people 746 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 2: like your listeners, and so you know, if you give 747 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 2: a dollar, five dollars, whatever you have, Honestly, the donations 748 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 2: just they mean a lot, and what allows us to 749 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 2: continue the fight. It allows us to help assisting law 750 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 2: enforcement and assisting families that are going through a nightmare scenario. 751 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 2: And it allows us to bring home these children that 752 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 2: that we're able to know in effect, the chains that 753 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 2: we're able to affect with the families and the children 754 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 2: that we serve. It really is about bringing these children 755 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: home and being able to provide the long term care 756 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 2: and support that they need as well. 757 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: Callahan, I cannot thank you enough. I think everybody that 758 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to listen to you tonight is going 759 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: to be called to action, y'all. I'm going to end 760 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: Zone seven the way that I always do with a quote. 761 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: Not knowing where your child is at bedtime is a 762 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: pretty hard thing to accept. Rave Walsh Adam's Mama. I'm 763 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone seven.