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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: Episode two of.

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Speaker 2: Daly's Like Yesday productive of My Heart Radio. This is

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Speaker 2: a podcast where we take a deep dive into America

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Speaker 2: share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, August eight, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: which of course means, oh.

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Speaker 3: Tuesday, your boys slipping because the fever don'et cook his

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Speaker 3: brain a little bit on the weekend.

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Speaker 1: But he's back.

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Speaker 3: Actually I'm back, folks until we love it. It's actually

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Speaker 3: National Dollar Day. Don't know what that means, but someone's

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Speaker 3: holding a bunch of singles. National happiness happens today.

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Speaker 1: What dollars bribery underrated? There you go, the little children.

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Speaker 1: But if that sounds weird when it comes to my

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Speaker 1: own children getting them to do their.

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Speaker 3: Oh for a dollar for a dollar, yo, you get

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Speaker 3: My five year old woke up.

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Speaker 1: This is this all has to do with like jetlag.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he woke up and did his They do

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Speaker 1: like like Kuman, Yeah you know that, like they do that,

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Speaker 1: and he he will fight me to the death to

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Speaker 1: get like just one six traced. Usually this morning when

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Speaker 1: wake up to write, it's just right. The sick he'll

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Speaker 1: do it wrong on purpose. He'll draw, you know, he

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Speaker 1: just he's Yeah, he got up before us and did

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Speaker 1: his kuman today because there was a single dollar at steak.

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Speaker 1: So shout out to natural national dollar death.

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Speaker 3: Wow, but did you're younger? Did young the youther?

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Speaker 1: So that was the elder. The elder was pissed that

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Speaker 1: he got up before him. Kids. These children very competitive.

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Speaker 3: I get it. You see a dollar ship. I was

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Speaker 3: like when when I would be when my grandparents would

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Speaker 3: baby sit me and like my cousins or some ship,

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Speaker 3: and like my younger cousin will get like.

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Speaker 1: A dogs, like, I'll do that eight times.

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Speaker 3: Better try and take his dollar. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, it's

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Speaker 3: also National CBD Ray Day, brath, National Mochi Day, National

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Speaker 3: pickleball Day. Oh, I know that's contentious, Global sleep under

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Speaker 3: the Stars night. Oh sure, National Frozen Custard Day. I

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Speaker 3: love a frozen cluster. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I had some frozen custer core brothers back in Ocean City.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, kind of drips. It's still like so thick,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's delicious.

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Speaker 1: It's a non Newtonian substance. Yeah, my name's Jack O'Brien aka.

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Speaker 1: I hit him up, said I'm on those guys. It

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Speaker 1: been a while, I think since ninety nine. We started

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Speaker 1: talking work. I asked, what do you do? But then

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Speaker 1: he said private equity and that's when I started talking.

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Speaker 1: You aps. Nobody likes that private equity making cash on

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Speaker 1: company's death throws. Have you heard of cold gas study?

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Speaker 1: I think we should have a living wage. What's a

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Speaker 1: fair wage?

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Speaker 3: Again? Uh?

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Speaker 1: That is courtesy of Johnny Davis folks sst Spice the Discord,

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Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my

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Speaker 1: co host, mister Miles Gray.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's Miles Gray aka gray Man, a father of

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Speaker 3: the Zeitchild.

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Speaker 1: Champion for his son.

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Speaker 3: You're the master of Burbank and Lancasham for everyone. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know Burbank like the street Yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say like as a town like that's really my shit,

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Speaker 3: but it's adjacent, you know, it is bordering. It does

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Speaker 3: touch you touch elbows with North Hollywood. So yes, by

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Speaker 3: just like when you're playing Civilization and you want to

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Speaker 3: get a cultural victory, you know, the influence does spread

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Speaker 3: past my borders into Burbank. So yes, thank you to

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Speaker 3: Taxy cr for that one on the Discord.

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Speaker 1: My man well, Miles, it is the Expert Guest episode,

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Speaker 1: and we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat.

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Speaker 4: Yes bye, nobody me. I read a fucking book, but

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Speaker 4: a good book. I am a genius. I read talking

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Speaker 4: about I'm going to tell you about it.

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Speaker 3: Jack likes to do this and I keep telling him

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Speaker 3: I can't read, but he won't tell me the book,

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Speaker 3: and then he's like, I gotta tell you about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, if you just told me about it, I

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Speaker 3: could read it too.

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Speaker 1: This thing I learned, it's in my brain now, so

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you about it.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever met people who would not share a

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Speaker 3: book title with you because like they were they wanted

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Speaker 3: to sit on that information. This is sort of pre internety.

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Speaker 1: No, oh man, they'll be like I forget what it's called,

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Speaker 1: or they're just like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, kind of like like they don't want other people.

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Speaker 3: Like one of my older cousins didn't want to share

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Speaker 3: Confessions of an Economic hit Man with me.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's top level intel man, you can't tell you

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Speaker 1: about that on that.

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Speaker 3: I think he just liked it because like at the

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Speaker 3: time when that book came out, like he was trying

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Speaker 3: to be like the fucking Dulseki's most interesting mother in

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Speaker 3: the room kind of thing. Yeah, you actually know about

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Speaker 3: the like how why the Panama Canal is built. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: hold on, let's.

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Speaker 1: Not let's where'd you learn that?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Top level clearance?

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Speaker 3: You should really look at a lot of the engineering

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Speaker 3: firms that do a lot of these like large scale

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Speaker 3: infrastructural programs that are funded by the IMF And you're like,

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Speaker 3: what what is this?

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Speaker 1: What read competitors of an economic Amman? No you do,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, just like that book felt that was a

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Speaker 1: Cia briefed with some information that like you're like looking

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Speaker 1: around as you're reading it, being like, is someone going

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Speaker 1: to kill me for knowing?

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Speaker 3: Am I about to get two to the back of

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Speaker 3: the dome right now? Is basking Robbins for having this

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Speaker 1: I think the version that I had like looked like

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Speaker 1: it was like printed on a dot matrix printer or something.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like a full ass book like from a

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Speaker 1: good publishing house. It was like passed over to me

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Speaker 1: by There's probably just somebody doing the same thing as

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Speaker 1: your cousin like wanting to seem like they were like

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Speaker 1: in on some hot shit, and so yeah, created a

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Speaker 1: version that looked like shits. Anyways, that's a good that's

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Speaker 1: a good book that kind of touches on some of

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Speaker 1: the themes that the book I'm talking to you about

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Speaker 1: today talks about that book I finished, The Ministry for

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Speaker 1: the Future. Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: some of the themes, some of the reasons that I

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Speaker 1: think it's you know, usually I'll read a book and

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Speaker 1: then I'll just find really sweaty ways to like shoehorn

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Speaker 1: that we're having, the speaking of Trump elect vehicles, What

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Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? So this is

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Speaker 1: just you know, we have these Evergreen Tuesday episodes. Is

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Speaker 1: a chance for me and you too kind of have

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Speaker 3: The reason being like, we have so many depictions of

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Speaker 3: what like end same climate change disaster looks like, and

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Speaker 3: we have really shitty examples. And when you have someone

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Speaker 3: who's a little puts a little bit more thought into

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Speaker 3: their hard science fiction rather than like Roland Emeric, you

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Speaker 3: what's happening around us, and I think it's yeah, it offers.

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Speaker 3: It's good because it gives you a good idea of

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Speaker 3: another way to actually take in what is happening on

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Speaker 3: the planet. But also, you know, we also there are

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Speaker 3: are also presented in the book. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but before we get to any of that, miles

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Speaker 1: we do when it's just you and maybe like to

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Speaker 1: give our listeners a chance to get to know us

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Speaker 1: a little bit better. On the Monday trending we do

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Speaker 1: our overrated Underrated. I thought this might be a fun

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Speaker 1: time to do a little bit such history.

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Speaker 3: What was my over my overrated was? Oh yeah, like

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Speaker 3: dude dude reviews, Dude Barbie takes, dude by word, dude

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Speaker 3: by mouth, Barbie reviews an underrated shout out Pedia like

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Speaker 3: I stay fucking godd baby, and I don't even.

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Speaker 1: Want some hot Pedia light takes.

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Speaker 3: As someone who even drank as much as I did

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Speaker 3: when I was younger, and like, yeah, who had just who?

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Speaker 3: In my mind, hitting a volcano vaporizer and eating Jack

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing I most recently googled, googled, goggled, googled

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Speaker 1: recording Toasted Subs. I did not realize this was a thing.

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Speaker 1: And boy are their sandwich names a lot of fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Four people who know a lot about weed. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that Jamaican red or Cali missed or weed strains.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're like kind of old tiny they're like

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Speaker 3: like gen X strains, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard of that.

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Speaker 3: I like, yeah, exactly, you've heard of that because you've

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Speaker 3: heard it in the eighties film.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like that and like and

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Speaker 3: like sensy anything like sense it, like because that's from

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Speaker 3: like some real hot quality shit no seeds and so anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 3: but you are did you go to a chiba hud

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Speaker 1: Were heard from you and super producer Justin and now

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Speaker 1: I believe that it exists. I also don't don't think

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Speaker 1: I knew how to spell chiba. I think it was

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Speaker 3: So oh, well that is the Japanese Uh, that's the

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Speaker 3: region of course, the culture. So obviously obviously.

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Speaker 1: Five oh is the name of the sandwich. That's all

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Speaker 1: the pig baby dam genoah salami proshoot up at Ronny Bacon.

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Speaker 3: Who I'm curious who the owner is, it says it's

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Speaker 3: just some guy named Scott Jennings, which feels like that

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Speaker 3: doesn't feel very chiba hut name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Scott Jennings, Dude, there's a there's a video with

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Speaker 1: this guy and a real flat rim chiba hut hut.

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Speaker 3: Oh hold on, yeah, let me let's just let's hear

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Speaker 3: this really quick. In case this guy says some really

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Speaker 3: sick stuff about chiba Hut. Oh Jack, Scott Scott Jennings

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Speaker 3: is here to fuck.

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Speaker 1: Name Scott Jennings. I'm the founder of that chiba hust.

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Speaker 3: High.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a food so I do get high as well.

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Speaker 1: So uh combined the two things. I was best at

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Speaker 1: Arizona State. Arizona State sweatshirt with a surfboard. Uh. Does

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Speaker 1: looks like he couldn't be further away from an ocean

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Speaker 1: and slamming a brew with hand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you know what, Scott? You Okay, it looks

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Speaker 3: you definitely present to someone who's been living that life.

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Speaker 1: Scott Scott ye dude.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But they have fucking like kool Aid there, like

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Speaker 1: of capitalism. For me, that rings true, Like I just

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Speaker 1: couldn't and and therefore every solution that like comes up,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, but corporations are just gonna like fuck that

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Speaker 1: out of existence, Like if you like any anything like

440
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Speaker 1: that is just going to get ruined by us. And

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I learned in

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Speaker 1: reading this book is that it's hard to imagine the

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Speaker 1: next forty years from inside the United States, and like

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Speaker 1: especially from inside, like if you pay a lot of

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Speaker 1: attention to the United States zeitgeist, like it is, it

446
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Speaker 1: has not been leading us in a direction that would

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Speaker 1: suggest like that these things are possible, right that we're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about. So I don't know, let's

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Speaker 1: let's dive in. I mean, the first big question the

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Speaker 1: book suggests that like the radicalizing event that that will

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Speaker 1: bring about this sort of globe zeits change is that

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Speaker 1: India sees a heat wave that kills like five million people.

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Speaker 1: Like it's the there's a certain point at which if

454
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Speaker 1: the humidity is high enough and the heat is high enough,

455
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Speaker 1: your body just can't cope, like the human body can't cope.

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Speaker 1: And so like it seems like if things don't change,

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Speaker 1: this is something that's somewhat inevitable. And this radicalizes India

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Speaker 1: as a country, and they start doing some of the

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Speaker 1: things that have been like sort of controversial ideas that

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Speaker 1: people have put out there, like you know, putting reflective

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Speaker 1: material in the upper atmosphere to reflect to like basically

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Speaker 1: dim the sun that we did miss snow piercer as anough, Yes,

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Speaker 1: there is another cheerful look get on how we might

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Speaker 1: address climate change. But they call it in the book

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Speaker 1: like a double Pinatubo because Penttubo was the volcanic eruption

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Speaker 1: and that most recently like significantly altered the temperature globally

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Speaker 1: for a period of time like I think a year

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Speaker 1: or two and so like the people of India drop

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Speaker 1: like a double pentitubo on the rest of our asses

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Speaker 1: over the objection from the un It's temporary, but it like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the first thing that changes people and

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Speaker 1: starts getting people motivated to all right, how are we

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Speaker 1: going to deal with this?

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Speaker 3: We need like because that can never happen again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that can never happen again. It's the largest mass

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Speaker 1: death like in the history of them.

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Speaker 3: And again, if you're just tuning and we're talking about

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Speaker 3: a science fiction book period.

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Speaker 1: Talking about if you're just joining us, this is Terry

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Speaker 1: gros Stanley Roberts, but like it's science fiction. But a

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Speaker 1: recent article in The New Yorker pointed out that we're

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Speaker 1: actually like not far from the thing from that inciting

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Speaker 1: incident happening Like this spring, or I guess it was.

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Speaker 1: Last spring saw the most dire primonsoon heat wave in

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Speaker 1: Indian history, and it was only a slightly lower humidity

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Speaker 1: that prevented a real life, you know, event on par

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Speaker 1: with what happens in the book. And still like lots

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Speaker 1: of people die, lots of people are dying from heat already,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's just our I don't know, like it.

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Speaker 1: We've talked, we've suggested that it's just you know, because

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Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine and there aren't that many movies

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Speaker 1: that depict people dying from heat, so you like, you

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Speaker 1: don't really have it in your head, like what that

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Speaker 1: looks like. And the pictures that come with it in

495
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: newspapers are people having fun while opening up a fire

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Speaker 1: hydrunt right, And so this is an event that like

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Speaker 1: kind of makes it real for everybody in India at least,

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Speaker 1: and that that that seems to be something that they

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Speaker 1: also wrestle with that I'm glad they did. It's not

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Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, everybody in Texas is like, man,

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00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: what happened to the people in India is really bad

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Speaker 1: and we need to act on it. In the book,

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Speaker 1: they're like, it needs to happen to you or to

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Speaker 1: like your community for it to be real too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and clearly we're I mean, that's usually how the

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Speaker 3: US works, is like it has to literally be on

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Speaker 3: your fucking doorstep, walk through the door, and fuck your

508
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: shit up, and then you're like, oh, okay, yeah, so

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00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: that's a thing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he talks about an example of like a

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Speaker 1: neighborhood that got destroyed by a tornado, and like the

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00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: people the neighborhood over were like, yeah, well that was

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Speaker 1: on them. They were they were in the path of

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Speaker 1: that tornado. And it's like, well, that could have been anything.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like even like those like like small group

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00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: of Republicans in North Carolina, they're like really worried about

517
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Speaker 3: sea level rise. And yeah, like there other people like

518
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Speaker 3: just shut up.

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00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: They're like I live here and I'm watching it.

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Speaker 3: The are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, But anyways, so he wrote this book in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He gave a speech this past April that

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Speaker 1: he actually said the book is too bleak, Like he says,

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Speaker 1: calling like the book talks about how the thirties is

525
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Speaker 1: what he calls a zombie decade because of all the

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Speaker 1: like institutions that are still coasting on the inertia of

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Speaker 1: you know, the past order of things, right, which you know,

528
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: banks running everything in the United States and stuff like that,

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00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: even though they no longer serve us or you know,

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Speaker 1: make sense in the world. And he thinks that's actually

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Speaker 1: already too pessimistic, and like, to me, that sounds like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a great description of the world as it feels

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Speaker 1: inside America right now. In between yeah, just things that

534
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Speaker 1: are coasting off of inertia. But he sees a lot

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Speaker 1: of like really cool programs around the world that he

536
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Speaker 1: finds encouraging. I do think this book kind of turned

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Speaker 1: him into a public eco intotellectual, and so he is

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00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: getting a lot of the information about like all the

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00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: stuff people are trying, which is cool. It's it's stuff

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Speaker 1: that doesn't get covered in the mainstream media. And that's

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Speaker 1: probably why, you know, I want to talk about it

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00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: so much, because it does feel like it's being kept

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00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: like a secret right from us, and it's kind of

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Speaker 1: important information.

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Speaker 3: So what are the kind of departures from our you know,

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Speaker 3: are our current norm that you know, that society moves

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Speaker 3: into in terms of like addressing this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone just needs to get a tesla and you're good. Yeah,

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00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: just get a Tesla and give you money and we're

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00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: good here.

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Speaker 3: Oh then all right, well, dude, it's been a great episode,

552
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: right gang, you heard it.

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Speaker 1: Get it Tesla, baby, get that tesla. No, actually, there's

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Speaker 1: it's conspicuous in the omission that like he doesn't even

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00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: bring up electric vehicles, or if he does, it's just

556
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: like a like there's more adoption of this happening like

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Speaker 1: in the early stages. Sure, sure, we actually like there's

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Speaker 1: another thing for my search history is like car bloat,

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Speaker 1: which is something I found about found out about over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, which is that like, as people are making

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Speaker 1: this transition to electric vehicles, they're also making the cars

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Speaker 1: way way bigger on the roads. Yeah, and even in Europe,

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Speaker 1: like Europe, I'm sorry, I picture Europe as like a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people hunched inside, like those little tikes sides

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Speaker 1: and you know those like plastic red and yellow. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that That's what I picture the shape of European cars.

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Speaker 1: But like the third most popular highest sales car model

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Speaker 1: in Europe in twenty twenty two is an sub like

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Speaker 1: they're they're turning into I means. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We touched on just on the Normal Show about how

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Speaker 3: like people who are like city planning and like do

572
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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, or just like cars are too

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Speaker 3: fucking big for streets for fucking parking lots, Like you're

574
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Speaker 3: not like what the it's eventually like the cars are

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Speaker 3: literally gonna be too fucking big and people are gonna

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Speaker 3: like fucking bump into each other not to mention that

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Speaker 3: these cars are just like way fucking heavier and more

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Speaker 3: tankish than ever too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much heavier like evs like it compared

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Speaker 1: to the like similar size gas burning vehicle. It's not like, well,

581
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: so you should keep burning gas, but it's just it's

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Speaker 1: a good example of like how in the current system, right,

583
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Speaker 1: like why I'm so cynical is like the current system

584
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: will find a way to take it and turn it

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Speaker 1: into like in this case, an arms race.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's like kind of yeah, consumer consumerist commodification

587
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: fuck fest where it's like, oh, yeah, the way we

588
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: get out of it is you buy this thing.

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00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's like but that's more consumption when we're talking about

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Speaker 3: what the so what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, it's it's like breaking roads. And

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Speaker 1: it's also it's like really scary because those car carriers,

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Speaker 1: so the way the way that's being dealt with right now,

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Speaker 1: by the way, just real quick, and then we'll get

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Speaker 1: into the things that actually work. But just as an

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Speaker 1: example of why this like hasn't naturally occurred to us,

598
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: like this, this is what gets done with good ideas,

599
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: is like so they get these giant like f one

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Speaker 1: fifty pickup trucks that are twice the size of like

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Speaker 1: an F one fifty and nineteen ninety three, but they're

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Speaker 1: electronic and then they are like one of the complaints

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Speaker 1: that people have is that when you have to like

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Speaker 1: transport them, they put them on the back of those

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Speaker 1: car carriers. Yeah, but they're so big that like they

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Speaker 1: don't you can only fit like a handful of them.

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Speaker 3: On the back of car wise like because yes, you

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Speaker 3: can see them loaded up with like the normal combustion cars,

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Speaker 3: but the uvs are so much heavier.

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Speaker 1: Oh, those things are already the scariest things to be

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Speaker 1: driving next to it all high walk like those car

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Speaker 1: carriers where you like just see the weight, like you

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Speaker 1: can just see it looks like it's like a drunk

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00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: like three hundred pounds person just like teetering next to you.

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Speaker 1: And I have seen bad boys too, So I'm already

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Speaker 1: like terrified of what's going to happen with us. So

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Speaker 1: the way that the shipping and you know, trucking industry

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Speaker 1: is trying to deal with the fact that it's like

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Speaker 1: you can't fit as many on is just asking for

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Speaker 1: them to change the weight limit on car carriers so

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Speaker 1: that they can carry see, right, more of them.

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Speaker 3: We're at We're not salt, We're not a rise. We're

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Speaker 3: not rising to the occasion with like actual solutions stupidity.

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Speaker 3: So to make things more convenient for the sales objects.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this novel asks you would imagine that,

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Speaker 1: like they're like, as the consequences of climate change continue

627
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: to become like realer and realer to people, you get

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Speaker 1: a world where people are like, wait, what if instead

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Speaker 1: of just doing that, what if we build more reasonably

630
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Speaker 1: sized cars? Or what since cars don't actually work and

631
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Speaker 1: electric vehicles are still polluting through the like manufacturing process,

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Speaker 1: Like what if we found other solutions for getting around?

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00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Like what? Yes? So one of the things that he

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00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: talks about is just the need to transition to a

635
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: post capitalist system for world governance. Just generally, all right,

636
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: just like that right? Easy? Easy does it? The point

637
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: is that like the climate and inequality are part of

638
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: the same problem, Like, the extremely wealthy will continue to

639
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: make decisions as if the rest of us don't exist,

640
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: because under the current system, like practically speaking, as far

641
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: as they're concerned, we don't exist. They never have to

642
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: see us, they never have to deal with the consequences

643
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: of their actions to Also, capitalism is currently constituted, will

644
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Speaker 1: continue to extract them, like burn fossil fuels if not

645
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: otherwise encumbered, right, and so like the current system is

646
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: set up to reward people for doing things that are

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: bad for us, right.

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00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right, The incentives are things that are

649
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: not moving towards solutions or anything. Yeah, or or they

650
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: may be perceived as that in the beginning, but ultimately no, yeah, And.

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Speaker 1: The most powerful country in the world is still the US,

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Speaker 1: and it's run by capitalism without restraint, like proudly like right.

653
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Speaker 1: So one of the things he uses the model of Mondragon,

654
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Speaker 1: which is a worker owned collective in the Bosque region

655
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Speaker 1: of Spain Espanna.

656
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: By Basco Bosco.

657
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Speaker 1: So this is a co op that it's a voluntary

658
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Speaker 1: association ninety five autonomous cooperatives that you know, each co

659
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Speaker 1: op's highest paid executive makes a most six times the

660
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Speaker 1: salary of its lowest paid employee. There no outside shareholders. Instead,

661
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: you have a tryout period and then if they like

662
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Speaker 1: you enough, you get a chance to buy in to

663
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Speaker 1: be a part owner of the company that you work for.

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Speaker 1: Right there is like a CEO type person that's called

665
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Speaker 1: a managing director. And you know, but the members themselves

666
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Speaker 1: vote on many of.

667
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: Everything, I mean everything.

668
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Speaker 1: Of strategy, salaries, policy, The votes of all members, whether

669
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Speaker 1: they're senior management or blue collar, all count equally.

670
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Speaker 3: So like in it, he's saying that like like moving

671
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Speaker 3: first of all, like we're going to be probably up

672
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Speaker 3: moving towards worker owned collectives in order to survive. Yes,

673
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: and and that is a really like that example. If

674
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: you really like read up on there's like documentaries or

675
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: you can find shit about the under gun like they it,

676
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: it will blow your mind as an American labor to

677
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: see that, you're like. And then so the person right

678
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: there in the fact they own they also own the company,

679
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: yes exactly. And then but what happens, like if they

680
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: make less money, what about layoffs? Well, see they own

681
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: the company. So then rather than answering to shareholders who

682
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: are saying, why I need my fucking shareholder value to

683
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: hold up, so you need to lop some heads off

684
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: and do layoffs, they decide internally what has to be sacrificed,

685
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: what can be dialed up, what can be dialed down

686
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: in order for the company to keep going long term,

687
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: And like that is such a completely different way to

688
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: engage with what you do for work when you actually

689
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 3: have ownership for it, which I'm glad to see something

690
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: like that would seem normal, like would seem like naturally

691
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Speaker 3: like a fair thing to somebody if you like presented

692
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Speaker 3: the idea to them.

693
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if the alternative of like just full blown

694
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Speaker 1: unfettered capitalism or neoliberalism. The current form of capitalism we

695
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: live under is just like we start to se see

696
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: the evidence more clearly that it just doesn't like it's

697
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: not possible. Going.

698
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Speaker 3: They got fucking little kids working at the bars now, right,

699
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 3: Like that's where we're at.

700
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 1: And they can get their little hands inside the pint glasses, miles.

701
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: And they can put help. Yeah, they keep the fruit

702
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: flies out of the mixer bottles like no, this is

703
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: but again yeah, like it we can see it play

704
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: out because it is almost going like we actually already

705
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: have a script. It's called idiocracy, right, yeah, yeah, it's

706
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: that version frequently.

707
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: But my brain, you know, is so like capitalism poisoned,

708
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: like it immediately when you talk about like a co op,

709
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Speaker 1: Like there's this quote in this profile of Mondar going

710
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 1: in the New Yorker where Larry Summers, our favorite guy,

711
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Harvard president, so he must be liberal and smart, characterized

712
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: co ops as intrinsically sleepy and short sighted. When you

713
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: put workers in charge of firms and you give them

714
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: substantial control over the firms, the one thing you do

715
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: not get is expansion. You get more for the people

716
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: who are already there. Wow, one is greedy and will

717
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: try and fuck you, so you just have to fuck

718
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: them back. Like it's just that very basic, like intrinsic

719
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of cellular greed capitalism model of humanity that I

720
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: like grew up. It like that's how I thought for

721
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: a long time the world worked. But yeah, so there's

722
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: probably a good reason that like we don't know about it.

723
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: Is it like has succeeded. Sorry did I cut you off?

724
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Speaker 3: No, No, I'm just kind of just rambling on the

725
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: side agreeing because yeah, I mean, like the it's just wild.

726
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: When he's basically saying, it's like, yeah, the problem is no,

727
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: just destructive growth, right, That's the thing that's the only

728
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: thing about it. And when you hear people who work

729
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: in work our own co ops or like even people

730
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: in like in Mandre going there, like it's clear profit

731
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 3: is important because you need that to help sustain a hisiness.

732
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: But that is not the fucking be all, end all.

733
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: It's to ensure the longevity of the of this project

734
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Speaker 3: and just be able to have it be something because

735
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: like these some of these people are like second generation

736
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: in the co op where they're like, yeah, my fucking

737
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: parents started this shit.

738
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I know this is like to shepherd

739
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: it as far as the like no growth thing is concerned.

740
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: This started in I think the forties as like a

741
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: four people, four students from like this priest who is

742
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: the founder, like created a community college and then like

743
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: worked with for the people who graduated from there, who

744
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: were like really promising students. Like I don't think I

745
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: have all of this correct, but like it started with

746
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: like four people that he was like, I bet you

747
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: guys would make a good company. And now they employ

748
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: around eighty thousand people. Seventy six percent of those work

749
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: and manufacturing co ops and our owners. And it's not

750
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Speaker 1: like I think the only thing that I had really

751
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: heard of as a co op in the US's like

752
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: grocery stores or like little like boutique stores just like

753
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: mondra go on, Like what one of the manufacturing companies

754
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: makes bicycles at an industrial scale. Others make elevators, produce

755
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: huge industrial machines using the production of jet engines, rockets,

756
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: wind turbines. They have schools, large grocery chain, a catering company,

757
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: fourteen technology R and D centers. They even have a

758
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: McKinsey like consulting firm.

759
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 3: Hey see, right, yeah, exactly.

760
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, the network brought in more than

761
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: eleven billion euros in revenue. So I don't know, like,

762
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be like and they've never

763
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: had a problem, but it's it's so directly flies in

764
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: the face of everything I've ever heard about socialism or

765
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: like well the possibilities of like how an incentive structure

766
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: can work because of being you know, raised in this country, right,

767
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: And so the book just like generally creates a model

768
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: of the present and near future where like things just aren't.

769
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: I think I assumed, like the internet had this like

770
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: pro promise when it first became a thing, and like

771
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: websites and you know, the freedom of information, and I

772
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: just assumed that like the fact that it inevitably got

773
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: fucked up by the forces of capital, like it that

774
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: it is inevitable and but like when you take a

775
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: step back and like think about how things could work

776
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: under a system where like the economy works to serve

777
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: people rather than like people working to serve the economy.

778
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: Like that's the line from the book that is like

779
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: so basic. I'm embarrassed that I stopped and like wrote

780
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: it down. But it seems profound that that was.

781
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: Your real eyes, real eye.

782
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: Oh what the fuck?

783
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: Man?

784
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 3: Hold on man, Yeah, totally, I know it's so simple.

785
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 3: But again to when you've been propagandized and evangelized about

786
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 3: capitalism from fucking the gam meat phase of your life,

787
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: like yeah, it does. It does seem like it's just

788
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: like you can't even imagine the inversion of something. It's like, no, what, Yeah,

789
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: we got to help the economy, Like motherfucker.

790
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: That there's nothing about social media that inevitably says that

791
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: the the companies who provide that service would sell your

792
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: information for marketing purposes. And it's kind of weird that

793
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: like it turned into like a brainwashing like addictive, competitive,

794
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: like fucked up thing like it Like, but that's what

795
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: hyper capitalism does. Everything, like the blockchain is a cool

796
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: technology and theory and hyper capitalism turned it into a

797
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: fucking scheme, and like that's what people think of when

798
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: they think of the blockchain, whereas like it could be

799
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: a very valuable tool and probably will be into the future.

800
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: They actually do talk about the blackchain event in the

801
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: in Ministry for the future. They use it to just

802
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: make it so that the hyper wealthy can't hide their

803
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: money in tax savans, like all all money is, yeah,

804
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: all money's online, so it can't be hidden anywhere. Like,

805
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: and the way that that that's brought about is that

806
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: there's like an attack on the Swiss banks where a

807
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: lot of the hyper wealthy hide their money and it,

808
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, they lose they lose track of all the

809
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: different accounts that they have, and basically they're like, all right, well,

810
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: you need to make it so that this information is

811
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: just publicly available, yeah, because the old system kind of

812
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: no longer works. And I guess the importance of the

813
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: internet like point that is that like now everyone one

814
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: knows so much more than they did before. Like the

815
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: Internet gives us access to all this information, all of

816
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: these tools for accessing the information, and it's still just

817
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: like a tiny drop, but it right, it's harder to

818
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: fool people, and it's easier to kind of it's going

819
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: to be harder to hide the realities of the ship

820
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: from people, or at least it should be in theory, right.

821
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Speaker 3: Right, right, It's I mean, it's interesting because so many

822
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: of these things, right because I know another element because

823
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: I've I've seen Kim Stanley Roberts speak before too, and

824
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: he also talks out about like regenerative agriculture, and you

825
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: know that for something, you know in my mind it's.

826
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Speaker 1: Kim Stanley Robinson. I've said that before. I think, yeah,

827
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: what did I just say Stanley Roberts. Oh I did

828
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: just yeah, sorry, And I said Kim Stanley Roberts before.

829
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Speaker 3: Anyway, like in other talks I've seen him give, just

830
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: like about the book and just like other sort of

831
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 3: like climate change, like like what's like what the fuck

832
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: are we go by folks kind of talks. Is to

833
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 3: also see like regenerative agriculture be brought up so much,

834
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: which again feels like when the ultimate sort of theme

835
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: like if there is any sort of quote unquote solution,

836
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: it's like to completely like unfuck our heads with the

837
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: idea that growth is good and we need to be

838
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: seeking profits at all costs, and especially with regenerative agriculture,

839
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: it's like a really good way to wrap your head

840
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: around just how we do things in like the most

841
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: backwards way because current like just gigantic mega agribusinesses we're

842
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: all about, especially in America, just monocrops. It's like this

843
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: piece of ground will only grow fucking soybeans or corn

844
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: or whatever. When that's done, we're gonna fucking We're gonna

845
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: boost the fucking because it's all about yields, what we

846
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 3: can get from this. It's all about putting as many

847
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: fertilizers in and all kinds of chemicals and shit to

848
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: bring about higher yields. And then once we pull that

849
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: shit out, we just let that patch of dirt stay

850
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: fucking dirt and do let like don't let like nature

851
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: do its thing like allowing like, for example, just like

852
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: the soil erosion is a huge thing that I was

853
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 3: not really like really understanding its connection to our ecosystem

854
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: and the destructive way that we farm doesn't allow for

855
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: our soils to actually regenerate the microorganisms that it needs

856
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: and also allows for things like you know, better water absorption.

857
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 3: So they're like versions of it, like no tail farming,

858
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: Like we're not just fucking ripping shit up and allowing

859
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: plants to put roots deeper into the ground, which means

860
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: if they have they can go deeper into the ground photosynthesis.

861
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: They can take that fucking CO two and put carbon

862
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: directly into the soil. And another huge part of it

863
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: I did not realize was that as a reservoir to

864
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Speaker 3: capture carbon, the ground is like something like many times

865
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Speaker 3: larger than the atmosphere in terms of its capacity to

866
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: absorb carbon. And like when you look at something like

867
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Speaker 3: that and you're like, holy shit, a lot of And

868
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: again I'm doing a very like very simplified distillation of

869
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: regenerative agriculture, but the idea that we need to be

870
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: actually working in harmony with the earth actually also helps

871
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: for things like the desertification of our land for drought

872
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: and you know, carbon capture, and now.

873
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: That miles, how do we ten x that? How do

874
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: we scale that?

875
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: And just okay, this is how we cannet that real

876
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: quick forma yeah, yeah, bank play bank run on that.

877
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah ude, what do you think VC play on that?

878
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: There?

879
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: Should Regenerate agriculture should be people's new social media. It

880
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: should be people's new bank.

881
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing. Then this is where this

882
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: is where our old ways kind of slip in, right,

883
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: because now many people are using the term but with

884
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: interchangeable definitions. Whether that means it's regenerative in the sense

885
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: in the process that we're doing, or that the outcomes

886
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: are regenerative, and they mean very different things in terms

887
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: of how we're interacting with the earth. So again, like

888
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: when I read stories about that, and some people like

889
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: the most optimistic forecast and the white paper that the

890
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 3: study that this like forecast was based off of has

891
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: been debated by other scientists, was saying that, like, you know,

892
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: if you actually were able to properly do certain regenerative

893
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: practices on like all of our grasslands and farmlands, and

894
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: that just sort of became the norm, we would capture

895
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: all of the carbon that's emitted right now already and

896
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: have the capacity for more giga tons of carbon. Now,

897
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: I think a more not getting completely carried away with

898
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: that version of that. At least for me, that is

899
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: heartening is the idea that we have all of these

900
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 3: tools that we know work right, and whether that means

901
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 3: it's gonna one hundred percent or even fucking thirty percent.

902
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: Any reduction is a good thing along with all the

903
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: other things we're trying to do as a as a

904
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: as a species. But being able to see that those

905
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: things are available, these are things that we are trying

906
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: to implement. People are definitely trying to implement it. They

907
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: are definitely like large interest groups that are trying to

908
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: do it for many different reasons. But that helps me

909
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: as a human being move away a little bit from

910
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: the water world idea of where this thing goes and

911
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: to know that like like they're there, we have the

912
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 3: ways to do this, we just have to fucking put

913
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: it together. Yeah, and that's the fucking hard part, right,

914
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: But I think for me, it's better to have an

915
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: idea of how to like to actually address the situation

916
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: rather than to be completely resigned to the fact that

917
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: it's going to overtake it. Like of the way I

918
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: thought about police violence in twenty fourteen is very different

919
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: than how I think about police violence and how to

920
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: actually address it now now that I've I've done like

921
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: more research, more work, more interacting, more conversations with people

922
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: to know that it's not just like man, it's always

923
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: going to be like this it's like, well, no, there's

924
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: things like qualified immunity that are holding us back. And

925
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: in the same way, it's really good to be able

926
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: to also arm yourself with these kinds of points of

927
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: knowledge because it goes a little bit less from like Okay,

928
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: well I guess I'm gonna wear my football pads with

929
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: spikes in it and face pain I burnt out in

930
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: the desert to being like no, man, like, these are

931
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: a lot of things like we need to be thinking

932
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: about more and are there. But again, that's that's our

933
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: main battle is to not is to be able to

934
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: coalesce around these things.

935
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kim Stanley Robinson, like in a in a speech

936
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: from Kim Stanley Rock, I think I've been saying Roberts

937
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: and that might have fucked everyone else up. But it

938
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: was funny. When I googled his name a few weeks ago,

939
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: I found a found I found a like what one

940
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: of the Google hits was a transcript of one of

941
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: our podcasts where I called him Kim Stanley Roberts.

942
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: I know, every time I actually talk about it, in

943
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: my mind, I say Swiss Family Robinson, Kim Stanley Robinson to.

944
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: But that's a little empirical rap miracle.

945
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yo, sorry, fever cooked my brain.

946
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: But he he talks about how like in the years

947
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: since the book, because the book does talk about regenerate agriculture,

948
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: but he's like, I was a little bit skeptical that

949
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: it was as big a deal as people were making

950
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: it seem. He was like, I thought it might be

951
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of like AI, like this buzz where the people

952
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: are throwing out and him like, this is just the

953
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: solution and we can like knock it out and ten

954
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: exit and scale it. And he's like, no, it's you know,

955
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: it's actually a real thing. But again it's it really

956
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: is like a thing that I've heard him say multiple times.

957
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: Is that like and he says it a couple of

958
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: times in the book. Also, is that like profit is

959
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: inherently predatory and is inherently going to like that that

960
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: can't be the motive of a world that gets out

961
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: of this problem.

962
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: So there's if that if that in any way is

963
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: intersecting with what's presented to you as a solution, it

964
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: is not. It's actually the problem and even as much

965
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: and we see this so much like in how we

966
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: re presented products as consumers as a way to do

967
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: your part, et cetera. When you do you do a

968
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: lot better. Is like if you fucking can find ways

969
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 3: just to do things immediately around you. But yeah, it

970
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 3: is That's kind of what's interesting or that's that's why

971
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: it makes it so daunting, is that it's like, Okay,

972
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: so the way out of this is the opposite of

973
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: this eventually. Yeah, but I think at a certain point

974
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: there there are too many people who are not benefiting

975
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: from the current order of things that I guess our

976
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 3: hope is that we can we just hit that critical

977
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: mass or we're all realized, like it's I think something

978
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 3: has to be drastically different.

979
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take one more quick break. We'll

980
00:53:51,600 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back and just real quickly.

981
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the other ideas that they mention

982
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: that I think are worth mentioning here. So I've heard

983
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot about like carbon credits and some financialization of

984
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: like giving people a reason to do. Like he talks

985
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: about how our current system incentivizes people to do things

986
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: that are bad for the planet and bad for other

987
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: human beings. So in the book, they like create a

988
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: currency that is basically in the same way that the

989
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: dollar was originally backed by gold, like the gold standard.

990
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: This is backed by a carbon standard where but like

991
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: a reverse gold standard where it's backed by the absence

992
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: of carbon. So it's like, you know, all the oil

993
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: or natural gas that is currently in the earth that

994
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: hasn't been extracted, like money is created that represents that

995
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: value and like gives it to the people who like

996
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: have access, who have ownership over that energy, and then

997
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: like they basically get paige over a period of time

998
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: as long as they're like good actors. But it's it's

999
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: an interesting idea that I think is only interesting to

1000
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: me because it it's about something that is the extinction

1001
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: of the entire species and many other speeds.

1002
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: That's our new gold standard is preventing that.

1003
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like it's kind of the idea which

1004
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1005
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but to your point, it's like when you

1006
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: look at where like you know, fucking funds go from

1007
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: like national banks or like the IMF and stuff like that,

1008
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 3: it's not we're not incentivizing people to to undertake these

1009
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: kinds of projects that are going to be a net benefit.

1010
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: It's like oh yeah, like some more drilling, okay, Yeah,

1011
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 3: like we'll finance that rather than realizing. But again, that's

1012
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 3: another subtlety that we have to be able to approach

1013
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: and is happening on a smaller scale, you know, like

1014
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: they do have funds set aside to be able to

1015
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: like help stable other nations that are going through like

1016
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: economic uncertainty. You know, obviously in the past that's been

1017
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: done with in a very coercive manner. But it's like

1018
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: it's like the conversations are changing there. I think it

1019
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 3: just feels very weird right now because we're like at

1020
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: the doorstep of hopefully a lot of things changing, so

1021
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: they just feel so fucking in between. Yeah, but my

1022
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: hope is that is moving that directly.

1023
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, he's also like he's

1024
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: pretty impressed by the IRA under Biden, the Inflation Reduction Act.

1025
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's wild that they had to call it

1026
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act to get it past, but it

1027
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: is a huge spend. It's a bit it's the biggest

1028
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: climate bill of all time, and you know, he says

1029
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: that like groups have estimated that one trillion dollars a

1030
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: year would be enough to get people to do the

1031
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: work to get us to a non apocalyptic future, which

1032
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot, but the world domestic like the WDP,

1033
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: the gross domestic product for the world is seventy five

1034
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: trillion dollars a year, and we don't don't have a

1035
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 1: world if we don't spend that one trillion.

1036
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 3: So can we connect those dots? Yeah, and I think

1037
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: I think we are. There's an I think we were

1038
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 3: watching some Probably the same talk too, is that for

1039
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: where we're at, it is important to understand, Yes, we

1040
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: are watching the world literally burn at times flood in

1041
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: biblical ways we had never seen before, but that like

1042
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 3: I think he was li likening it to the San

1043
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: Francisco Bay and like a choppy, like the top of

1044
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: the fucking there's a cross chop. It looks really fucked up.

1045
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: There's disasters or setbacks and things like that, but ultimately

1046
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: the current is moving in the right direction. And that

1047
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: is again, it's not a cure all to like or

1048
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: to think that the work is done, but I think

1049
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: it definitely helps to at least understand a little bit

1050
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: and makes sense of that despite we are in this

1051
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: very chaotic transition, but there is in factor transition happening.

1052
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 3: It's not that it's just staying at one place. So

1053
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 3: in that sense, I'm like it helps me feel a

1054
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: little bit better while also helping to like know like, oh,

1055
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: these are the kinds of things like we're going to

1056
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 3: have to do.

1057
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Well that's kind of what I

1058
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: wanted to do with that episode, is just like kind

1059
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: of talk about some of these ideas that are giving

1060
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: me maybe not like outright hope, but like just I

1061
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: feel like I a lot of my pessimism was misplaced

1062
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: or at least like not not based on how things

1063
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: could actually go. I wasn't fully aware, and this book

1064
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: helped me to kind of deal with that. So but

1065
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, as is very evident from you know, everything

1066
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: I've said here, I'm very early in my education process

1067
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: on this. So you know, zi gang hit us up.

1068
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Let us know, like what we could be reading, what's

1069
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: interesting to you, If there's anything giving you home on

1070
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: this front, and yeah, I think that's going to do it.

1071
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: Anything else you wanted to.

1072
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: Cover, Yeah, there's there's no no I thought I did. No,

1073
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: I was gonna say something frivolous about Baskin Robbins again.

1074
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, I'm a don't talk about it.

1075
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, I think again, I just say, like

1076
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: to your point, it's always important when we're faced with

1077
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: the existential dilemmas like this, that we don't just take

1078
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: the water World route in our mind and just go

1079
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: and then it's water World yeacause that is truly like

1080
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: that is how you get that's the quickest road to

1081
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Speaker 3: apathy for any topic. Yeah, we're facing right now, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's so much more you You feel

1083
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 3: a little bit more connected when you understand that, like

1084
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Speaker 3: this is something that many people are putting their expertise into,

1085
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 3: but there's also just that critical mass that we have

1086
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: to hit where we all can collectively say that, like

1087
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 3: this is how we have to do it, and you know,

1088
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: unshackling ourselves from the like the financial overlords. Well that's

1089
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: that's another conversation, probably for a different kind of episode,

1090
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Speaker 3: will probably Robert.

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Speaker 1: Evans on Yeah, Yeah, I think there's like I noticed

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Speaker 1: myself having this moment where I was like, there's like

1093
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: a narcissism about be wanting to be part of like

1094
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: the end times, and like there is as you imagine

1095
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: like that, oh no, this is going to keep going on,

1096
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: and there's going to keep being struggle and like the

1097
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: future and like this conflict never stops coming and you're

1098
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: just trying to do your part to like get people

1099
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: to a better place in this conflict, like the people

1100
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: who come after you. Like there's a I get why

1101
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: people want it to be Nah fuck that it's mad

1102
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: maths because there's like something that it appeals to the

1103
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: inherent like American narcissism, but it's actually like super unhealthy

1104
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: and bleak.

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Speaker 3: Well, right, because you look at preppers and they're like, yeah,

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01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: don't worry, dude, I'll eat I'll eat ten cans of

1107
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 3: food and that's all I get out of it. Yeah,

1108
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: it's like that's can I get you know what? It

1109
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 3: probably feels like that's how you're gonna do it, but

1110
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: the solutions actually seem a lot easier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you get talking about people, we miss each other,

1112
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: I believe, like I believe it or not. That's a

1113
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: probably a lot of problems are caused by the fact

1114
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: that we we miss hanging out people. Well, we miss you,

1115
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: all right, that's it. Where can people find your mouth?

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Speaker 3: At Miles of Gray wherever? And you know all the podcasts, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at check underscore Brian, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for this episode. Back tomorrow, talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Back this happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the fever everyone's brain.

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01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, fever fever, Your fever fried my brain exactly. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you'all later. Bye, bye,