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Go to Nancy Grace dot 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: com and register using promo code Nancy. Crime Stories With 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you get into a fight, Nicole comes out, 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: got a little loud, and by that time, uh, Nicole 22 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: had come out and we started having words about who 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: is this guy? Wise here? What's going on? And she says, 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: this is my house that I find here, Yes, and uh, 25 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: which I didn't like because once again this is the 26 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: same person. And if you read the book you'll see 27 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: some things that happened in the two weeks leading up 28 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: to this that we're very very irritating, you know. And 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: I think Charlie had follow this guy in one makes 30 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: sure it was no problem, and he brought the knife 31 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: as things got heated. I just remember the cold fill 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: and hurt herself and uh, this guy kind of got 33 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: into a karate thing and I said, well, you think 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: you can kick my ass? And I remember grabbed the knife. 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: I do remember that portion taking a knife from Charlie, 36 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: And to be honest, after that, I don't remember except 37 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm standing there and it's all kind of stuff around, 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: and um, what kind of stuff, but stuff around, you know. 39 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: We I hate to say this, I know we got 40 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: to back up again. Okay, I want to back up 41 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: and try to make people think that I'm um, you 42 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: wrote in the book I had never seen so much 43 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: blood in my life. Mm hmmy covered, you're covered the scene? 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: Can you describe? It's hard for me to describe it. 45 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm telling I don't think any two people could be 46 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: um murdered the way they were without everybody been covered 47 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: in blood. And of course I think we've all seen 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: the grizzly pictures after Solf. Yeah, I think everything was covered, 49 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: would have been covered in blood. If you don't know 50 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: that voice, I don't know what cave you've been living 51 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. That's Orenthal James Simpson O. J. 52 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Simpson speaking to Fox TV Judith Reagan. O J. Simpson 53 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: quote the Lost Confession. What a crowd of lies? What? Well? 54 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: He didn't like that Nicole Brown had a friend over. 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: They were divorced. He didn't have a say in that. 56 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: He found it irritating. Things got heated and Nicole fell right. 57 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: In other words, he beat her again. There was a 58 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: lot of stuff around, he says. What he's talking about 59 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: our dead bodies and blood. And right now O. J. 60 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: Simpson has escaped justice again. He's been out one year 61 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: and he is living the life. Let me tell you, 62 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: every bar in town knows his favorite drink. I even 63 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: know it two thousand miles away. It's a dry Martini 64 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: three olives extra cold. Can I tell you something else. 65 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: He can afford a twenty dollar drink? Oh yes he can. 66 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 67 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: being with us. It never ends with O. J. Simpson 68 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: with me. All star lineup, Kenya Johnson Atlanta prosecutor, Wendy 69 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: Patrick California prosecutor, veteran and joining us from Simpson's former jurisdiction, Dr. 70 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, l A psycho analyst, and new guests joining 71 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: us criminal defense attorney Eric Johnson right now to David Mack, 72 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: syndicated talk show host David mac a year out. You 73 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: do know that one bar in Vegas has already checked 74 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: him out, right, He was so drunk and angry and belligerent. 75 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: What happened then? I don't understand why he's not behind 76 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: bars on a parole violation. What happened with that fiasco? 77 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: You know, he got booted out like his first couple 78 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: of days of freedom. You know the guy, Nancy. I'm 79 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: probably the only person on this panel that for a 80 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: long time has gone back and forth on his guilt 81 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: on those murders. I'm not kidding. Yeah, you probably are. 82 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: You may be one of the few people left in America. 83 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: You didn't hear that quote, lost confession he just gave 84 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: Judith Reagan. You didn't hear that. No, that's what gets 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: me every time. See I always I always thought that 86 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: Jason was involved, his son Jason, and there's a whole 87 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: history there. But can I just ask you something, David 88 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: Matt Can I just ask you something? Give me one 89 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: shred of evidence that places Jason Simpson's son at the 90 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: same one shred place. Well, there's a problem with his 91 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: alibium where he was supposedly at work. The police checked 92 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: it out, but they didn't check out the fact that 93 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: there was a problem with when he left the restaurant 94 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: that night. He was a sush chief. He had his 95 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: own bag of knives. We all know Jay was frightened 96 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: of blood and made him sick. And again, every time 97 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: I hear that confession, it just turns my stomach. Other 98 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: than he left early that night from his job. That's it. 99 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: That's all you got for me, Because if that's all 100 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: you've got, I don't want to hear that again. He 101 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: was on probation for assaulting a previous girlfriend, where he 102 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: held a knife to her neck and threatened and threatened 103 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: her with life and then cut all of her hair off. 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: He was on probation for that. He actually was picked 105 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: up from his job that night at with his girlfriend. 106 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: They both have two different stories. He claimed they went 107 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: back to her place and he didn't leave and they 108 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: watched TV. She claimed that he left there at like 109 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: ten oh five and came back around eleven thirty. So 110 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: he was according to the girlfriend that picked him up 111 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: from work that night. By the way, he was supposed 112 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: to be cooking for Nicole and that whole gathering. They 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: weren't supposed to go to Mental Luna. They were supposed 114 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: to go to the restaurant where Jason Simpson was the chef. 115 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: He had told everybody they were coming, He had prepared 116 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: the table, he was preparing their food when they didn't 117 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: show up, which is why he got off work early 118 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: that night. So there's a gap in his alibi of 119 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: an hour and twenty minutes, and it happened to be 120 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: during the time. So let me understand, Let me understand. 121 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: You think because he didn't cook dinner for them, he 122 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: decided to commit double murder. Let me mull on that 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: just one moment, Okay. To Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor. Simpson 124 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: has been out on another charge and armed robbery charge 125 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: that he was convicted on after walking free on the 126 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: double murders of Ron Goldman and Cole Brown. He ends 127 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: up with a guy that I put in jail for 128 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: drug trafficking, uh many many years ago. He gets out 129 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: her look and hooks up with Simpson in Vegas. So 130 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: they decide to rob a memorabilia purveyor at gunpoint. He 131 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: gets about nine years and they let him out one 132 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: year out of jail. He's living the life, Wendy, did 133 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: you ever believe this was gonna happen? You know, unfortunately, 134 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: we did believe that he would be released. However, what 135 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: I don't believe that he's already lasted a year of 136 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: custody without being remanded. He gets so close to the line, 137 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: and you know, you've already talked about some of it, 138 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: getting kicked out of a bar dept, drinking in public. 139 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: Remember he's supposed to be under a certain blood alcohol level. 140 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: But it's it's fun in the sun for O J 141 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: right now in Las Vegas. He did not go to Florida. 142 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: Remember that was the original plans that were expressed at 143 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: the parole hearing, but so close to the line, so 144 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: many people watching him, so public, he's gonna take it 145 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: too far and he's gonna end up back in custody. 146 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: I don't think the question is if, but when and 147 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: for what? So I know we're watching this and people 148 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: are resentful that he seems to be living the life. 149 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: But if, if history is our guide with his behavior, 150 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time, Nancy. I mean Eric Johnson, 151 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney. No offense, Eric, but how do you 152 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: do it? I mean Simpson is living in a mansion 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: with a heated pool and driving a Bentley around town. 154 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: He's making cash hand over fist by signing memorabilia and 155 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: photos for cash because he doesn't want Fred Goldman to 156 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: make a rightful claim on that money. He's rolling in dough. 157 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: Eric Johnson, I mean that is not justice. Well, the 158 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: fact that he has money is a tributal to his 159 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: career earnings and what he did before that. The fact 160 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: that he's able to support himself after he's paid a 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: debt to society serving his time in prison. Uh, The 162 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: mouth that he's able to make should not be something 163 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: that everyone has in trouble with. I mean, he has 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: a capacity to earn money more. He has a capacity 165 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: to more. Eric, Hold, let me just bring you up 166 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: to date. You know what, I think. I'll let Kingya 167 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: Johnson bring you up to date, Kenya. Isn't it true 168 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: he had a thirty three point five million dollars civil 169 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: verdict against him for the murders of Ron Goldman and 170 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: Denise Brown and because he hasn't paid one red sin 171 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: on it, it's blossomed. It's up now seventy million dollars. 172 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: He owes absolutely. I would say that he has not 173 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: paid his debt to society, especially not to the father 174 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: of Ron Goldman. So they to Nicode Ms Brown, so 175 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: they have to. He still has a lot of work 176 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: to do. Um, so he should not be living a 177 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: lot of sh lifetown. He should be reporting all of 178 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: his earning and continue and once he has paid that 179 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: judgment in full, then need to live the life that 180 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: he feels that he's earned. I must disagree with, Oh 181 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: j should not be having such a great time. Well, well, 182 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: hold on one thing you'd have to say, now that 183 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: is a civil matter. He paid his criminal death of 184 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: society and so therefore, if he is legally able to 185 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: make an make an income that is not that is 186 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: not going to be in trivial to the settlement, then 187 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: that is something that he can do. The laws are 188 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: set up this way. He has attorneys to set up 189 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: these things, almost like the way rich individuals avoid taxes. 190 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: So the bottom line is he has to make a 191 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: loving for himself. He's out. He can't be a bomb 192 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: on the street because that would definitely violate his probation 193 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: and we don't want that. So he does have a 194 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: right to make an income. And the fact that he's 195 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: not paying this settlement right now, I mean, those are 196 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: something that the lawyers will have to take up in 197 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: a civil matter. I don't even know what you just said. 198 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: Because his civil judgment, which is now seventy million dollars 199 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: decided by a jury, attaches to every penny he makes 200 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: so far he has not paid anything. He has not 201 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: willingly paid one cent. Well, that may be true. Ron 202 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: Goldman or Denise Brown's family, Well, then well then the 203 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Goldman family and the Brown family have legal measure to 204 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: go to try to attach income. If he's making these appearances, 205 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: then they have the ability to do that. So it's 206 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: not that they don't have any records. So the fact 207 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: that he hasn't voluntarily paid this money. That is something 208 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: that the legal counsel would have to take up. Let's 209 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: take a listen to Simpson in his so called last confession. 210 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: What was the hardest thing for you at that time 211 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: that people You're writ in the book that you couldn't 212 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: believe that people thought you were a murdering It's hard 213 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: to believe that. It seems so easy listening to the 214 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: TV that week, that it was that easy for people 215 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: to believe that I could I could kill two people. 216 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: I thought that my whole life will meant something. I 217 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: thought the type of guy that I had lived my life, 218 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: being pretty upstanding, got man like everybody, had my faults, 219 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: like most men in my position. Uh, sometime temptations of 220 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: the flesh is there. You get into a fight, Nicole 221 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: comes out, got a little loud, and by that time, Uh, 222 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: Nicole had come out and we started having words about 223 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: who is this guy, why is he here? What's going on? 224 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: And she says, this is my house, get the found here, yes, 225 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: and uh, which I didn't like because once again this 226 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: is the same person. And if you read the book, 227 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: you'll see some things that happened in the two weeks 228 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: leading up to this that we're very, very irritating, you know. 229 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: And I think Charlie had followed this guy in one 230 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: makes sure it was no problem, and he brought the knife. 231 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: As things got heated. I just remember the cold fail 232 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: and hurt herself and this guy kind of got into 233 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: a karate thing and I said, well, you think you 234 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: can kick my ass? And I remember I grabbed the knife. 235 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: I do remember that portion taking a knife from Charlie, 236 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: And to be honest, after that, I don't remember, except 237 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: I'm standing there and it's all kind of stuff around, 238 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: and um, what kind of stuff blood and stuff around, 239 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: you know. I hate to say, I'm sorry. I know 240 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: we got to back up again, Okay, I want to 241 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: back up to try to make people think that I'm um. 242 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: You wrote in the book I had never seen so 243 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: much blood in my life. Mm hmm. Covered. You're covered 244 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: the scene? Can you describe? It's hard for me to 245 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: describe it. I'm telling you, I don't think any two 246 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: people could be um murder the way they were without 247 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: everybody been covered in blood. And of course I think 248 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: we've all seen the grizzly pictures after so yeah, I 249 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: think everything was recovered head. You're hearing Simpson or anhal 250 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: James Simpson and the quote lost confession as he's speaking 251 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: to Ju to the Reagan formally at Fox. This marks 252 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: the first year of Simpson's freedom after a conviction for 253 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: armed robbery in Vegas. He was love lock see I 254 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: number ten, and now he's walking free, driving a Bentley, 255 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: living in a mansion in a heated pool, ordering his 256 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: favorite drink every night at various bars, Dry Martini, extra cold, 257 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: three olives. Okay to Dr Bethany Marshall, renowned Ellie psychoanalyst. 258 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: I got to hear your take on what he just said, Fancy. 259 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: I love the way O. J. Minimizes the severity and 260 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: the horrific nature of this attack. First of all, he says, 261 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: I got a little irritated, rather than I had a 262 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: rage attack and I slashed her throat almost to the vertebrate. 263 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: I love the way he says this guy got into 264 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: a karate move, rather than poor Ron Goldman was cowering 265 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: in the corner trying to defend himself. I love the 266 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: way he says I didn't like this guy being in 267 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: my house, rather than I was stalking my wife and 268 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: making her feel that she couldn't even entertain people in 269 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: the privacy of her own home. I love the way 270 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: he says blood was everywhere, as if it magically appeared, 271 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: without the fact that o J. Slashed everybody. Nancy, I 272 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: live six blocks from where this crime occurred. Um she 273 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: lived three blocks below San Pasani Boulevard and I lived 274 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: three blocks above it at the time of these crimes. 275 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: And I went to Metzaluna for dinner all the time. 276 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: We had the same nail person. We went to the 277 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: same spot in Brentwood, Brentwood. And the reason she hung 278 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: out with with Ron Goldman, who was a waiter at Metzaluna, 279 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: was because she was too terrified to leave the neighborhoo hood. 280 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: She cherry picked her friends from that small community, and 281 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: she entertained in her home because she was afraid to 282 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: go anywhere. And even in the privacy of her own home, 283 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: she was attacked. And the one last thing about these 284 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: comments in this so called interview that O. J. Simpson 285 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: is making, he says people will see that in the 286 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: two weeks leading up to this, as if everybody is 287 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: so fascinated with the story. This is the sociopast grandiosity, 288 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: wanting everybody to peer into his life and judge the 289 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: details and to feel sorry for him in some way. 290 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: They're just sociopathy has just written all over the place 291 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: in this to Dave Max, indicated talk show host, he's 292 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: out on parole, What exactly are the terms of Simpson's parole. 293 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: He has to He's supposedly supposed to stay out of trouble, 294 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: which you pointed out several times, but he isn't doing. 295 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: He's skating by on that. He's supposed to have income 296 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: coming in. He has to check in with his parole guy. 297 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. I mean, he's got he can 298 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: travel anywhere he wants. That's the other part of this. 299 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know that till I was looking at this 300 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: for today. I didn't know that he was free to 301 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: Rome wherever he wants to go in the United States 302 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: of America. He's free to go. He can do whatever 303 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: he wants. He's as free as you were made. He 304 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: is under an alcohol band to the extent he's not 305 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: supposed to exceed point oh eight that's the legal limit. 306 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that's like everybody else. You're not supposed to 307 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: drive at point oh eight or over. He can't use 308 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: any drugs unless legally prescribed. He's not allowed to be 309 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: around weapons. He is subject to random drug and alcohol screenings. 310 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: He can travel, but he has to have the say so, 311 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: the okay by his parole officer. They did not order 312 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: him to get a job, which typically paroles are ordered 313 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: to get a job. But in my mind, to Wendy Patrick, 314 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, these conditions are very lax. He doesn't even 315 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: have to hold down a job. Yeah, you know what's right, Nancy. 316 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: He is seventy one years old, but in today's day 317 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: and age, that is not old at all. Many would 318 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: say that's the prime of life. And you see them 319 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: enough footage of him to know, even if we didn't 320 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: have the description of his ideal day, which he apparently 321 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: lives over and over again, he has the wherewithal, the 322 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: physical ability and the mental ability to have a job. 323 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: So then the question becomes, why would it have been 324 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: so burdensome to order that, particularly as we have been 325 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: discussing as a group, he owes this massive debt to 326 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: the Goldman's So taking these selfies and by the way, 327 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: you gotta wonder, where are these people posting the selfies 328 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: they take with O. J. Simpson, they would be crucified 329 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: if they posted him on social media. But however, he 330 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: is in making this cash based income to order him 331 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: to get a legitimate job, would at least have gone 332 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: a long way, or at least a little bit of 333 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: the way in trying to pay back some of what 334 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: he owes. I mean that that would at least help 335 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: this public perception that he's living like a wealthy retiree, 336 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: which he is. I'm not living in a Vegas mansion. 337 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: With that he did pool driving a Bentley, ordering twenty 338 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: dollar drinks all over town. No, I'm holding down multiple 339 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: jobs and raising the twins. This guy is living the 340 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: life and speaking of not paying what he owes, the 341 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: Goldman's and the Browns take a listen to Nevada District 342 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: Court Judge Jackie Glass. The tapes, however, in this case 343 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: indicated to me when I listened, that you didn't want 344 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: all of those items to fall into the hands of 345 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: the Goldman's, and you were heard on the tape maybe 346 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: making reference to them as the gold diggers. That was 347 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: then this is nat. So you put your group together 348 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: and you went to the palestation to get those items 349 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: back and what you didn't know and also you, Mr 350 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: Stewart didn't know, was the planning was taped. The event 351 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: was taped, phone calls were taped, conversations were taped. They 352 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: had video tape of you going in, they had video 353 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: tape of you going out, and the party afterwards were taped. 354 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,239 Speaker 1: Everything in this case was on TAMA. Just when you 355 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: think crime cannot will not happen to you, it does 356 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: in a flash, and there are no second chances. 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I go to the 376 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: front and I'm looking to see what's going on. Um, 377 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: and I can see that appears like Nicole had flop. 378 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: I had candles all the time. She really did to 379 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: keep her overhead down, I think. And music was on. 380 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: And while I was there, a guy shows up. So 381 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: Ron Goldman comes in the back edge. Yeah, I got 382 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: I really didn't recognize I may have seen him around, 383 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: but I really didn't recognize him to be anyone. And uh, 384 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: and in the mood I was in, I started having 385 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: words with him. She says to you, I just came 386 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: by to return a pair of glasses. Judy left them 387 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: at the restaurant. Yeah. That effect, yes, And I don't 388 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: know if I believe that. I didn't believe it. It 389 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: was pretty much immaterial because you know, Uh, I was 390 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: more concerned about everything that everything that was going on, 391 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, and UH was fit up with it. I 392 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: guess you're hearing O. J. Simpson in quote the Lost Confession, 393 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: speaking to our friend Judith Reagan formally at Fox. When 394 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: you hear that, is there any doubt he committed double 395 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: murder and never went to jail for it. Simpson has 396 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: been out of prison for one year after being convicted 397 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: on another felony, this armed robbery. Take a listen to this. 398 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: You thought O. J. Simpson would be treated like a pariah, 399 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: look at these images. It seems fit. Everywhere he goes, 400 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: strangers want to take selfies with him. Simpson, now seventy one, 401 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: is living like a wealthy senior citizen in a gated 402 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: community in Las Vegas. He's not hiding out. One of 403 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: his regular activities is attending Golden Night's hockey games. Simpson's attorney, 404 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: Malcolm Laverne, He's a senior citizen. He's a seven year 405 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: old man. So he intends to do exactly what we've 406 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: always said he's going to do, which is to be 407 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: a retiree involved, spend time with his family and friends. 408 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: Spend time with his family and friends. You're hearing our 409 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: friend Jim Murray inside edition talking about the life Simpson 410 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: is leading to Dr Bethany Marshall l a psycho at 411 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: last who wants a selfie with O. J. Simpson and Nancy. 412 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: People are confused, and they are so desperate for their 413 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of fame that they will even inject themselves 414 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: into the notoriety of O. J. Simpson. But can I 415 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: make a comment about something? O J? Said? One of 416 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: the primary features of narcissism and sociopathy is self aggrandizement 417 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: and devaluation of others. He calls Ron Goldman that guy 418 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: who's entering through the back gate. He says about Nicole, 419 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: I think she was burning candles to save money, as 420 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: if Nicole was poor and broke and desperate on the edge. 421 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: He can't even that. The devaluation just leaks out and everything. 422 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: He says, she was a beautiful woman in the prime 423 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: of her life. And have you ever seen Ron Goldman 424 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: so handsome at the beginning of his life, chopped down 425 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: in his youth. And he describes them as if they 426 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: were those bodies with that blood all over the house, 427 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: as if they don't even matter, as if they're just 428 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: pieces of garbage. Simpson has been out of prison for 429 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: one year and living a life of luxury in Vegas. 430 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: The disgraced football star spends almost every day on the 431 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: golf course, four or five times a week, at the 432 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: very least at a royo golf club. If you thought 433 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: he would be a social pariah, you're are wrong. Now 434 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Simpson. This 435 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: is actually taped at the time of the armed robbery 436 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: when he storms into a Vegas hotel room and steals 437 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: his stuff back at gunpoint. Listen, you know, as I'm 438 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: hearing that tape of him cursing everybody out, saying, don't 439 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: let him out, don't let him out? Is this hinge? 440 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: People are waving guns at their noses. You know, It's 441 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: just all I can see in my mind, Kenya Johnson. 442 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: Is that big blow up of Nicole Brown in life 443 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: after she called nine one one one of the anytime 444 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: Simpson beat her to a pulp, her whole face just 445 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: swollen up all just I could hardly even recognize her, 446 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: black and blue and red, with her lips all busted 447 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: and her eye black. That's what I think of, And 448 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: I think of Simpson towering over her, a football star, 449 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: beating her and beating her and beating her. You know, Nancy, 450 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: this was certainly a tragic fence. However, this brought the 451 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: nationwide spotlight on domestic violence. And since this o J case, 452 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: and as prosecutors cites the o J case for the 453 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: shift in culture related to domestic violence, more laws have 454 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: been in active, more protections for the victims of violence, 455 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: and more resources are available. And so that's one good 456 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: thing that came from this horrendous murder in the face 457 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: of how we're able to help victims of crime. To 458 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, as you hear the tape that I 459 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: just played, that was the actual crime scene when he 460 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: verst in that Vegas hotel room, everybody waving guns saying 461 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: don't let him out, don't let him out. Can you 462 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: imagine Nicole Brown alone in her living room with this 463 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: guy baiting the crap out of her, cowering, frightened, bloodied, bruised, 464 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: with a perpetrator who's devaluing her for lighting candles to 465 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: save money, you know, Nancy, So she pass our drama 466 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: queens at the end of the day, they love attention, 467 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: which is what we can see right now. His whole 468 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: life is organized around people taking selfies and bellying up 469 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: to the bar and getting as much attention as possible. 470 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: So not only is this a dramatic attempt to steal 471 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: merchandise so that the Goldman's can't get any recuperation for 472 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: their crimes, but he just loves the noise. He loves 473 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: the attention. In any form he can take, he will 474 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: get it. Take a listen to this, I asked, I 475 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: said to Mr Simpson, I didn't know if he was 476 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: arrogant or ignorant or both. And during the trial and 477 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: through this proceeding I got the answer, and it was both. 478 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: At the time, not now, after you've been locked up 479 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: for sixty four days. And at the time I saw 480 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: you at the bail hearing, it was clear to the 481 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: court that you believed you could do in Las Vegas 482 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: what you couldn't do elsewhere. You could get your stuff back. 483 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: In the book, the hypothetical is, uh, Charlie, Charlie, this 484 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: guy Charlie shows up, the guy we had we still 485 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: become friends with. And uh, I don't know why you've 486 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: been behind the col's house, but it told me you 487 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't believe what's going on over that and uh, and 488 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, well, whatever is going over there has 489 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: got to stop, right, so we kind of hooked up together. 490 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm kind of broad strokenness. We go 491 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: over and get into Bronco and go over. Let's just 492 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: go back and do the details. Where did your part? 493 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: And I put that in the alley front the park 494 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: in the alley and you've put on a world cap 495 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: and gloves, and put on cap and gloves, and um, 496 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: you reached under the seat for a knife. I always 497 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: kept a knife and not car for the crazies and stuff, 498 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: because he can't travel with a gun. And I remember 499 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: Charlie is saying, you ain't bringing it. I didn't, all right, 500 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: but I believe he took it. Charlie took the knife 501 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: in the book you're hearing if I did it as 502 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: a confession by O. J. Simpson to Judith Reagan at Fox. 503 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: So Dr Bethany Marshall, you're the shrink, You're the high 504 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: profile l a psycho almost. Who is Charlie? And yes, 505 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm using air quote. I think Charlie is his evil twin, 506 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: his uh, the alter ego, the person that he displaces 507 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: all responsibility into what he really is. I wanted to 508 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: kill her, but he knows that that would be a 509 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: bridge too far, which is kind surprising for a sociopath, 510 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: so he actually displaces it into somebody else, you know, 511 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: Nancy pay Dr Bethany. It reminds me of little children, 512 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: and when you catch them doing something wrong, they say, 513 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: oh um, Charlotte Magne, they make up somebody so and 514 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: so did it, and there is no so and so. 515 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm being joined right now by Cop turn P I 516 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. It's the oldest game in the book. In fact, 517 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: I had a name for it, the s O d Defense. 518 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: Some other dude did that, Nancy, Yeah, I can't see that. 519 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the other dude. These aren't even 520 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: my pants, it's the other dude. Yeah, these aren't my pants. 521 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: Like I don't know that, I says, I don't know 522 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: why Charlie had been to the house. Whill I know why? 523 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: Because Charlie is o J. He had been stalking her. 524 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: I saw this guy. He shows up. I had seen 525 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: him before around I don't know who he was the 526 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: region you saw him, Charlie a k o J is 527 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: because you had been stalking Nicole and the weeks in 528 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: the months before you killed her. And that sadistic laugh 529 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: when he starts talking about this blood Nancy. If there's 530 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: anybody left in this country besides David matt who thinks, 531 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: oh he didn't do it, he did it, he is Charlie. 532 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: He was there that night in ninety four. He was 533 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: there that night in Vegas. That was Charlie that you 534 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: heard on that surveillance state. You know what it's reminding 535 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: me of. Dr Bethany Marshall. Do you remember when Lindsay 536 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: Lohan one of the many times she was busted, one 537 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: of the times, she had cocaine in her pants and 538 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: she said that those aren't mine? Did that's not mine? 539 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: It's in her pants, her pants on her body. What 540 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: the pants aren't yours? Or the coke's not yours. It's 541 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: just the same thing. Some other dude did it. And 542 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's so childlike and so unbelievable 543 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: that people fall for it because they don't want to 544 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: think something so ridiculous can come out of another person's mouth. 545 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what else is ridiculous. He said 546 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: that he and Charlie didn't like what was going on 547 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: over there, which to me really means that he was 548 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: obsessed with Nicole, he was stalking her. He was preoccupied 549 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: with her. He was simmering with rage. But oh no, 550 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: he and Charlie were going to just check out the 551 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: scene and make sure nothing bad was happening over there. 552 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: You know. Interesting to Vincent Hill, Cop turn P, I 553 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: have you noticed that guys, well, criminals and well all 554 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: of us do the same things over and over and 555 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: over repeat the cycle. I mean, when Simpson walked free 556 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: from the double murders, I said, he's gonna do something else. 557 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: This is not over. He can't he can't help himself. 558 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: What is that impulse in a criminal? They don't get 559 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: out of jail and go, hey, you know what, I'm 560 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: gonna get a job and I'm gonna go this straight 561 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: in there. I'm never going back to jail. No, No, 562 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: They get right back with their old crew and start 563 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: all over again. What is that, Vincent, Well, I think 564 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: part of the nancy is that untouchable factor, right, Like 565 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: I beat this double murder, I can't be touched. I'm 566 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: gonna go here. I'm O J. Simpson. And you you 567 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: see that in a lot of criminals, like, yeah, so 568 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: what I did a stint here in prison, So what 569 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm still untouchable? O J? Is a prior an example 570 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: of he believes he's so untouchable that he can do 571 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: whatever he wants. What about that too? Eric Johnson, veteran 572 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: Atlanta criminal defense attorney, do you ever ask when your clients, 573 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: what can't you just get a job like regular people? Well, 574 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean that is definitely something you ask a lot 575 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: of a lot of your clients to see to make 576 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: sure that they want to get their life back on 577 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: the straight and narrow. But I mean, I think it's 578 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: kind of hard to over characterize the o J situation. 579 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he was found not guilty of this particular crime. 580 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he did not have a history of criminal 581 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: action for that outside of the domestic violence. I'll give 582 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: you that. The allegations of that, so to assume so 583 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: those are allegations you didn't see that you did see 584 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: the picture, however, when I can, I'm speaking as a 585 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: defense attorney sent as far as charges being filed and 586 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: things of that nature, but going forward, so there's nothing 587 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: to say that he's gonna get out and he's definitely 588 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: gonna beat another woman again. And as far as the 589 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: Las Vegas situation, I mean, he felt that those were 590 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: hit right for his items. However, he went about it 591 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: the wrong way. So I think this characterization that o 592 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: J is just this super criminal, just this big, big 593 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: person who thinks that he can get away with anything. 594 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: You have two separate incidents, and because of the severity 595 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: of the incidents and the hyper sensualization behind his celebrity, 596 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: that that's making it seem a lot worse than it is, 597 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: because if you take o J out of it and 598 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: made this just John Doe in a regular situation, it 599 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't be viewed the same way. Okay, Well, let's just 600 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: start with the actual facts. There were multiple domestic violence 601 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: assaults on Nicole Brown by o J. Simpson, Okay, And 602 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: then there were the double murder because you said he 603 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: didn't have any other record, but you know he did. 604 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: Then there were the claims he was acquitted on the 605 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: double murder. Now there's this multiple victims of armed robbery. 606 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: So to say he doesn't have the record, that that's 607 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: just not true. Well, no, the statement is when people 608 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: say that, oh, because o J was acquitted, I knew 609 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: that he was gonna go out and do these things. 610 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: You have a situation where he was trying to take 611 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: back property that was his own, and he went about 612 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: it the true Why are you saying it was his property, 613 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: that property belonged to the memorabilia seller, that there was 614 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: a dispute about it, because you heard the judge even 615 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: referred to it as you believe that you were going 616 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: to get your property. He may have been incorrect. He 617 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: may have been incorrect on that, and he served times. 618 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: And what that means is it's not true. Well that 619 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: that means it's not and that's why he and that's 620 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: why he served time for it. Nancy. I'm just talking 621 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: about the characterization that once he was found not guilty 622 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: in that, everybody gonna say, Oh, I knew O J 623 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: was gonna do something. I just knew he was this big, 624 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: big bad person. There's no further allegations of domestic violence 625 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: against him in that time, so that that's the only 626 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: thing I really have you heard the name? Have you 627 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: heard the name Christie Prody? Do you remember the girlfriend 628 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: that he beat to a pull? I remember? Is that 629 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: name ringing a bell to you? I've heard I've heard 630 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: as far as once again we have allegations if Mr 631 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: Simpson and once again with the sen sessionalization behind his name, 632 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: we know as as everyone on him said, he's scating 633 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: on thin ice. So if he did these things, I 634 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: am very sure that prosecutors would have jumped on these matters, 635 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: define him accountable for these matters and all of these things. Well, sadly, 636 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: isn't it true, Dr Bethany Marshall that you typically have 637 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: to have the victim go along with the prosecution, absolutely, 638 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: and the victim has to be willing to side with 639 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: the prosecution. And in order to do that, they have 640 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: to put aside all kinds of feelings, fear of retribution, 641 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: fear of getting the perpetrator in trouble, fear that the 642 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: perpetrator's family will be mad at them, the fear that 643 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: they will be aggressed against again. You know, I disagree 644 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: with your last guest. Um O. J's criminality is evident 645 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: in every aspect of his life, even right now as 646 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: you're saying, ordering the extra cold martini with three olives. 647 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: He carries a breathalyzer with him so that if he 648 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: gets a drug or alcohol tested, he won't test positive. 649 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: He goes up against the line, as Wendy said, in 650 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: every area of his life. He just comes up to 651 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: the line, or when he can get away with it, 652 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,479 Speaker 1: he crosses the line, and that includes beating women. And 653 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: these women are terrified of him, and now we know why. 654 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: Look at what happened to Nicole. Well, what do you 655 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: make of Simpson's girlfriend, Christie Prody, his ex girlfriend, who 656 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: says that he was obsessed with Nicole Brown, talked about 657 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: her every day and even make Christine dye her hair blonde, 658 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: specifically so she would look like his dead ex wife 659 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: Nicole Brown to meet. That's very clear o j ultimately 660 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: triumphed over Nicole. He had the ultimate power over her. 661 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: He put her six ft under. He didn't just beat 662 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: her to a pulp. He slashed her throat. That's the 663 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: ultimate glory for a sociopath. That those are the glory days. 664 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: That's why he gives the interview. That's why he tries 665 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: to recreate it. That's why he's obsessed with Ron Goldman, 666 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: because it's not just trying to keep the money from 667 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: the family. It's not just punishing the family for trying 668 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: to seek justice. It's a part of the original obsession 669 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: that led him to stock Nicole. She's the object of 670 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: his fantasy. She's the one he wants to triumph Overard. 671 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,479 Speaker 1: She's the one that he feels got away even though 672 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: he killed her, so so nothing's going to live up 673 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: to that in his life. Those were the glory days, Nancy. 674 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,959 Speaker 1: He keeps going back to that. This marks the first 675 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: year O. J. Simpson is free walking amongst us. Nancy 676 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend.