WEBVTT - Rerun: TechStuff By the Numbers (Stations)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And how the tech are you. Well, it's Thanksgiving week

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<v Speaker 1>here in America and that means we're taking some time off,

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<v Speaker 1>but we still want to bring you shows. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you a couple of reruns. Today. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to an episode that published last year that we're

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand twenty one, and it is titled tech Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>by the Numbers Stations. It's a pretty creepy one. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite little topics, weird tech topics to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about because it's a secret thing that's not outright hidden.

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<v Speaker 1>The meaning is hidden, but you can discover these things

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<v Speaker 1>if you just happen to have a short wave radio

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<v Speaker 1>and some patients and you know, some good positioning. So

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<v Speaker 1>fun topic. Hope you enjoy tech Stuff by the Numbers Stations. Recently,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon canceled their television series truth Seekers, which I thought

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<v Speaker 1>of as sort of a cross between Shaun of the

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<v Speaker 1>Dead and The X Files. So in the series, a

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<v Speaker 1>cable technician named Gus played by Nick Frost, is obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with ghost hunting, and he gradually indoctrinates his new partners

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<v Speaker 1>as his name is Elton John. He's played by Samson Keo. Uh. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a cute show. It's a little odd in tone.

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<v Speaker 1>And the part that really applies to this episode, however,

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<v Speaker 1>is that one of the things that Gus fixates on

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<v Speaker 1>in the early episodes is a radio frequency playing a

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<v Speaker 1>numbers station, and it's based off of an actual historical

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<v Speaker 1>number station that folks call the Lincolnshire Poacher. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>what it sounds like. Gree nine seven one five, Gree

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<v Speaker 1>nine seven one hive, Gree nine seven one hive. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a real thing, or it was a real thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not the only such station out there. There

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<v Speaker 1>have been lots of numbers stations over the years, some

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<v Speaker 1>using different jingles to signal an incoming series of numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them have male voices, some use female voices,

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<v Speaker 1>some used children's voices, Some of them are in more code,

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<v Speaker 1>Some have people reciting not just numbers but letters and

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<v Speaker 1>code signals. A lot of them are super creepy, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes them really ideal for a show about paranormal investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>But while the supernatural stuff is fanciful nonsense, the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>stations are actually anchored in our real world. And while

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<v Speaker 1>tech stuff did do an episode about numbers stations many

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<v Speaker 1>many years ago, I thought it would be good to

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<v Speaker 1>use numbers stations as a way to talk about not

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<v Speaker 1>just what they are, but also about short wave radio communications,

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<v Speaker 1>the physics of radio in general, and the process of

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<v Speaker 1>ciphering and encrypting information. So this is really gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a big overview, catch all kind of podcast. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>start off with radio itself. Radio waves are part of

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<v Speaker 1>the electro magnetic spectrum. Uh. They are there along with

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like my microwaves, visible light, X rays, and gamma rays.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this is part of one big spectrum of

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic radiation. You could actually think of it all as

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<v Speaker 1>different flavors of light if you like. It's just that

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<v Speaker 1>the slice of light that we can see is a

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<v Speaker 1>very small slice of the overall spectrum. Now, specifically, radio

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<v Speaker 1>waves are in the long wavelength part of that spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Electromagnetic radiation moves in waves all at the speed of light,

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<v Speaker 1>because hey, really it is just light, just different flavors

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But those flavors of light do have different wavelengths,

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<v Speaker 1>which also means they have different frequencies. So what does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean exactly, Well, let's start with wavelengths. Imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>nice smooth wavy line. The distance between two consecutive crests

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<v Speaker 1>on that wave, so the very peaks at the top

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<v Speaker 1>parts of our curve. In other words, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>one wavelength from one crest to the next. A frequency

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<v Speaker 1>just refers to the number of times a given cycle

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<v Speaker 1>happens within a given amount of time, and we frequently

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<v Speaker 1>use one second as the time unit. And with electromagnetic radiation,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about how many full wavelengths of a given

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<v Speaker 1>signal pass a specific point in space within one second.

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<v Speaker 1>We also use the unit hurts to describe this relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>A one Hurts frequency would have one cycle or one

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<v Speaker 1>wavelength per second passing you know this given point in

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<v Speaker 1>one second. A giga Hurts frequency has a billion cycles

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<v Speaker 1>per second. Now, all electromagnetic radiation is traveling at the

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<v Speaker 1>same speed, which is around three thousand kilometers per second

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<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum. Because the speed actually changes depending upon

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<v Speaker 1>the medium through which the radiation is traveling, that happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be the speed limit of the universe. Nothing goes

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<v Speaker 1>faster than that, so the energy is traveling at that speed,

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<v Speaker 1>but the frequency is dependent not just on speed but

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<v Speaker 1>how long those waves are. In fact, because we know

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<v Speaker 1>all these waves are traveling at that same speed, we

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<v Speaker 1>can figure out the wavelength if we know the frequency,

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<v Speaker 1>and vice versa. So the formula is wavelength equals the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of light divided by the waves frequency. Alternatively, frequency

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<v Speaker 1>is equal to the speed of light divided by the wavelength.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as we know either the frequency or

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<v Speaker 1>the wavelength, we can figure out the other one. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of light is a constant, it's not a variable.

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<v Speaker 1>On the longest wavelength side of the spectrum are radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>which can measure more than a hundred meters in length.

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<v Speaker 1>So a radio wave with the wavelength of one would

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<v Speaker 1>a frequency of about three mega hurts, meaning about three

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<v Speaker 1>million wavelengths would pass a given point in a second,

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<v Speaker 1>and each wavelength is measuring one meters between those crests. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of the signal is still the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say we get to the other end of

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<v Speaker 1>the spectrum, towards the very very very tiny wavelengths on

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<v Speaker 1>the electromagnetic spectrum, and when I say tiny, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>really tiny. Gamma radiation, which represents the smallest of the

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<v Speaker 1>waves that we know about, are less than one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pico meters in length, and a picometer is one trillionth

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<v Speaker 1>of a meter, so this is actually smaller than the

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<v Speaker 1>nano scale. The frequency started out at around ten to

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<v Speaker 1>the power of nineteen hurts or ten quintillion hurts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about electro magnetic radiation in terms of waves,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also know that it behaves as both a

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<v Speaker 1>wave and a part nicle. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>experiments that have shown this, and they're fascinating. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get too far off track. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>you out there might be screaming too late now, So

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<v Speaker 1>we should also mention photons, the particles of light. A

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<v Speaker 1>photons energy is directly proportional to the electro magnetic frequency

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<v Speaker 1>of that wave. It's also inversely proportional to the wave length.

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<v Speaker 1>So gamma rays pack a huge energetic wallop, while radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>by comparison, are whimps. So let's get back to the

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<v Speaker 1>radio spectrum in particular. We know that radio waves have

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<v Speaker 1>the longest wavelengths in the electro magnetic spectrum, which means

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<v Speaker 1>they also have the lowest frequencies and the lowest amount

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<v Speaker 1>of photonic energy. Generally speaking, we group electromagnetic frequencies ranging

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<v Speaker 1>from thirty hurts or thirty wavelengths per second up to

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred giga hurts or three hundred bill in wavelengths

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<v Speaker 1>per second. Obviously, this is a really big range, but

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<v Speaker 1>all of that are radio frequencies. Now, different countries divvy

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<v Speaker 1>up this spectrum of frequencies for different uses, some of

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<v Speaker 1>which depend upon the capabilities of those frequencies. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at around thirty hurts, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>extremely low frequency or e L f ELF range. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to play in ELF range in Dungeons and Dragons. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of something else. So these wavelengths are really long,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are good at penetrating stuff like deep water,

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<v Speaker 1>so it can be used for very basic communications with submarines.

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<v Speaker 1>A M radio would be up in the medium frequency

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<v Speaker 1>range for radio frequencies, and also the medium wavelength range.

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<v Speaker 1>Just above that are the high frequency short wave radio bands,

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<v Speaker 1>which are what we're really going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>lot today. These have a wavelength between ten and one,

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<v Speaker 1>and frequencies that are between three and thirty mega hurts.

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Waves in this band of frequencies have some really

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<v Speaker 1>useful properties, and one of those is the broadcast range,

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<v Speaker 1>as in how far these radio waves can travel. So

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<v Speaker 1>higher frequency radio bands can essentially only travel by line

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<v Speaker 1>of sight, so there is a limited range to them.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've ever listened to an FM radio station, because

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<v Speaker 1>FM frequencies are in a band called very high frequency

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<v Speaker 1>or VHF, then you might have had the experience of

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<v Speaker 1>the station starting to give out as you travel away

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<v Speaker 1>from the source. Depending upon the power of the broadcasting station,

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<v Speaker 1>you typically have a range of around thirty to forty

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<v Speaker 1>miles or fifty to sixty kilometers, but radio waves that

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<v Speaker 1>are a bit longer can travel further thanks to a

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<v Speaker 1>layer in Earth's atmosphere called the ionosphere. Higher frequencies can

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<v Speaker 1>move right through the ionosphere. They just punch right through

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<v Speaker 1>and go into space, but lower frequencies, those having the

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<v Speaker 1>longer wavelengths, aren't able to do that, so they actually

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<v Speaker 1>bounce off the layer and come back down to Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>By reflecting back down to Earth, these radio waves could

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<v Speaker 1>travel much further than they would just by line of sight. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as the name suggests, the ionosphere is a layer of

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<v Speaker 1>our atmosphere that is host to ionized particles. Ionization is

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<v Speaker 1>the process by which an atom becomes charged, either with

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<v Speaker 1>a positive charge, meaning it has lost electrons electrons are

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<v Speaker 1>the negatively charged particles. So then you've got an imbalance.

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<v Speaker 1>You have more protons with the atom than you have electrons,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus you have an overall positive charge, or it

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<v Speaker 1>could become negatively charged, meaning that an atom has taken

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<v Speaker 1>on more electrons. Now, this makes that layer of Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere electrically conductive. It happens because our atmosphere is hit

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<v Speaker 1>by ultra violet light from the Sun and it hits

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<v Speaker 1>the atoms in this layer of the atmosphere. It energizes

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<v Speaker 1>those atoms, and when the atoms get really energetic, the

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<v Speaker 1>electrons move further out from the nucleus and they can

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<v Speaker 1>actually peel off if they have enough energy. Now you've

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<v Speaker 1>got free electrons, and those free electrons are either reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves if they have a long enough wavelength, or

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<v Speaker 1>they can actually absorb them or otherwise allow them to

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<v Speaker 1>pass through for shorter wavelengths. This works in both directions.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, not just radio waves coming from Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>but also radio waves that are coming in from space,

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<v Speaker 1>because lots of stuff out there generates radio waves. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about aliens, I'm talking about like solar activity

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Now, the activity of the ionosphere

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<v Speaker 1>changes throughout a day over any given spot on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the daytime, that part of the Earth is

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<v Speaker 1>facing the Sun, so the atmosphere overhead is being hit

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot more ultra violet radiation, and thus the

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<v Speaker 1>lower part of the ionosphere, the part that's closer to us,

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<v Speaker 1>ends up getting more crowded with ions. Now that means

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<v Speaker 1>that longer radio waves are going to hit the ionosphere

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<v Speaker 1>at a lower altitude and then reflect off. But at nighttime,

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun is on the other side of the planet,

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<v Speaker 1>so the lower part of the ionosphere kind of calms

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<v Speaker 1>down a bit, and now the longer radio waves will

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<v Speaker 1>actually travel at a further altitude. They'll go higher up

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<v Speaker 1>before they hit the ionosphere and reflect back down. That

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<v Speaker 1>also means that you can actually pick up longer wavelength

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<v Speaker 1>radio signals from further away at nighttime because there's this

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<v Speaker 1>different angle that allows the waves to reflect and travel

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<v Speaker 1>even further. Now the history of radio, as in the

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<v Speaker 1>technology that we use to leverage radio waves. This gets

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<v Speaker 1>complicated because we call the technology the same terms as

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<v Speaker 1>we call the the scientific phenomena that is in our

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<v Speaker 1>operating with the technology. But we'll we'll carry on. So

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<v Speaker 1>the tech radio has a very long and complicated history,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's full of some really serious drama. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>not just radio dramas like soap operas, I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>drama drama. Just get a couple of radio enthusiasts talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Tesla and Marconi or Armstrong and DeForest and see

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<v Speaker 1>how things go if you want some entertainment. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just cut to the chase and say that by World

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<v Speaker 1>War One, people were figuring out potential uses for radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>like being able to send communications quickly across large areas

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<v Speaker 1>if you know you're trying to coordinate numerous groups of

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers in different theaters of combat. For example, communicating by

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<v Speaker 1>radio involves generating a carrier wave signal at a specific

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<v Speaker 1>frequency and then modulating it, so, in other words, changing

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<v Speaker 1>that signal in some way in order for it to

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<v Speaker 1>carry information. A steady signal gives you no real useful

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<v Speaker 1>information other than someone or something is generating this signal,

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<v Speaker 1>But by creating a way to encode and decode information

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<v Speaker 1>by altering that signal, do you have a way to

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<v Speaker 1>send more complex information. A M radio modulates a carrier

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<v Speaker 1>signal by changing the amplitude of the wavelength, and this

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<v Speaker 1>requires a good deal of power, and the long wavelengths

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<v Speaker 1>mean you need big radio towers to beam out these signals.

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<v Speaker 1>FM radio modulates signals through frequency modulation, altering the frequency

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<v Speaker 1>of the signal slightly. And radio stations, like the kind

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<v Speaker 1>we tune into for entertainment purposes, these are fixed frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>right like If they weren't, you would never be able

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<v Speaker 1>to tune into your favorite radio station because you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what frequency to go to. So this means they

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<v Speaker 1>can't take advantage of the changes in the ionosphere. They're

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<v Speaker 1>always stuck transmitting at a set frequency. See whether conditions

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<v Speaker 1>are good for long range transmission or not. Shortwave radio

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<v Speaker 1>operators have a little more flexibility. They're working with a

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<v Speaker 1>specific series of frequencies in the high frequency range of

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<v Speaker 1>the RF spectrum, but they can swap from one of

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<v Speaker 1>those sets of frequencies to another and thus take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of atmospheric conditions, so early in the day you might

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<v Speaker 1>use one set of frequencies that are available to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and late at night you might use a different set,

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<v Speaker 1>because the actual radio waves will travel at different distances

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<v Speaker 1>as the day changes. But there's another aspect to communicating

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<v Speaker 1>during wartime, which is that, generally speaking, you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are fighting on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the war to know what the heck you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have to come up with some means of

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<v Speaker 1>of you skating the meaning of your message. This is

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<v Speaker 1>particularly important with radio for a very obvious reason. See,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of different ways to send secret messages,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them are more secure than others. If

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<v Speaker 1>you and I are the only ones who know about

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<v Speaker 1>a black, glassy rock near a trina field, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a rock that has no business being there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hide a message under that rock for you, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>decent chance that you'll get to the message before anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else does. I might not even need to encode the

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<v Speaker 1>message at all, because no one else even knows that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a rock there. If I were to send you

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<v Speaker 1>a message through the mail, well, now there's a few

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<v Speaker 1>points where someone could intercept that message. Right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps the batties check my mailbox. They see that I've

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<v Speaker 1>put the little mail flag up, so they come and

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<v Speaker 1>check it and they steal the message before I can

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<v Speaker 1>even go anywhere. Or maybe they keep checking your mailbox

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side, looking at incoming mail, and they

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<v Speaker 1>grab my message when it arrives at your mailbox. Or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they're super tricksy and they've infiltrated the postal service

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<v Speaker 1>and Cliff the mailman is secretly a dirty old spy

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<v Speaker 1>always suspected it. Well. Radio communications are out in the open.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone with a receiver that has an antenna that can

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<v Speaker 1>tune into whichever frequency is being used can actually listen

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<v Speaker 1>in on that frequency. So you have no control over

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<v Speaker 1>who can hear what you're sending out. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>sending something out in secret, you have to encode it

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<v Speaker 1>in some way that makes it hard or impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>determine what is being communicated. Now, when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about how this sometimes involves making creepy radio broadcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>But first let's take a quick break. Let's say you

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<v Speaker 1>want to create your own radio station. You've put up

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<v Speaker 1>a transmission tower, you figured out your power needs, to

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<v Speaker 1>generate the signal necessary to claim a subsection of the

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<v Speaker 1>r F spectrum set aside for broadcasts, and you're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go right, Well, no, not if you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get shut down and find or worse. In order

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure the spectrum isn't just a free for all,

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<v Speaker 1>which would make communication difficult at least, governments have designated

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<v Speaker 1>specific bands of frequencies for specific uses. See if multiple

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<v Speaker 1>transmitters were trying to use the exact same frequency, everything

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<v Speaker 1>would get garbled. You would have tons of interference. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever used a pair of walkie talkies, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's standard for folks to say over when

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<v Speaker 1>they're done talking because the walkie talkies switched between transmitter

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<v Speaker 1>and receiver mode, and without the over you might have

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<v Speaker 1>both parties trying to talk at the same time and

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<v Speaker 1>no one can hear anything because you're both holding down

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<v Speaker 1>the transmit button. Well, when you think about all the radio, television, cellular, WiFi,

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<v Speaker 1>and other signals zooming around out there, all of which

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<v Speaker 1>are part of the RF spectrum, you quickly realize that

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to make up some rules or else no

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<v Speaker 1>one would ever know who they're talking to. Now, way

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<v Speaker 1>back in eighteen sixty five, the International Telegraph Union came

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<v Speaker 1>into formation, and in nineteen thirty four it changed its

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<v Speaker 1>name to the International Telecommunication Union, and it's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations today, and one of its jobs is

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<v Speaker 1>to designate specific slices of the RF spectrum for specific

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<v Speaker 1>uses to allow for seamless operations between the world. That way,

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<v Speaker 1>the radio is made by a company in Japan will

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<v Speaker 1>work in places like the US because the frequencies that

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<v Speaker 1>we've set aside for terrestrial radio stations are the same,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that both US and Japan are following the suggestions

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<v Speaker 1>from the i t U. Now it's up to the

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<v Speaker 1>governments of various countries to enforce these rules. In the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, radio stations have to obtain a license from

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Communications Commission to get a permission to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>on specific frequencies within the A, M or FM bands

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<v Speaker 1>of the ur F spectrum. There are other frequencies reserved

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<v Speaker 1>for amateur radio operators, but if you want to operate

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<v Speaker 1>your own amateur station, you have to get a license

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<v Speaker 1>from the f c C, and passing a test is

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<v Speaker 1>part of that process. Now, if you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to radio. That's different. You don't need a license.

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<v Speaker 1>In that case. You could have a shortwave radio set

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<v Speaker 1>and as long as you're not transmitting, you're just listening,

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<v Speaker 1>no licenses needed. But to transmit you gotta get permission first,

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<v Speaker 1>and the f c C will even assign a call

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<v Speaker 1>signed to you. Number stations are different. With commercial radio stations,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do some research to see who owns and

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<v Speaker 1>operates that station, but with numbers stations, there's a distinct

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<v Speaker 1>lack of information. This puts them in the realm of

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<v Speaker 1>pirate radio stations. These are stations that have no identifying

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<v Speaker 1>information associated with them, and they are operating without being

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<v Speaker 1>registered with the FCC or similar agency in other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that doesn't mean that these agencies like the FCC

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about them. There is a look the other

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<v Speaker 1>way situation in which one part of the government is

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<v Speaker 1>using stuff that the other parts just don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about. You know, by the way, if you're wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if people operate pirate radio stations, they sometimes do. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are ways to triangulate signals and determine where those

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<v Speaker 1>signals are coming from. So if someone is broadcasting without

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<v Speaker 1>permission on a specific frequency. It's typically just a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of time before the Feds come in and shut things down. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you could hop onto other frequencies, but unless your audience

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<v Speaker 1>knows where to tune in, you would likely be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to no one or at least very few people. So,

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<v Speaker 1>since we know that it's possible to figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>a radio signal originates, and since numbers stations can remain

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<v Speaker 1>in operation for years or decades, we have to draw

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion that these numbers stations have some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>sanction from governments, otherwise they would get shut down. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some sources say that numbers stations, these radio frequencies that

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<v Speaker 1>are sending out seemingly nonsensical information, got their start in

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<v Speaker 1>World War One. Others say it was actually closer to

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, and I tend to suspect that the

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<v Speaker 1>ladder is more accurate. Radio was important in World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was also still pretty early on in the

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<v Speaker 1>evolution of the technology. But at some time around World

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<v Speaker 1>War One. In World War Two, someone got an idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and that idea was to establish a transmission on a

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<v Speaker 1>particular signal, or sometimes a series of signals that would

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<v Speaker 1>change throughout the day to take advantage of the ionosphere

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<v Speaker 1>and the differences and signal propagation, and the signal would

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast encoded information presumably two spies. So let's say you're

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<v Speaker 1>running a top secret spy organization like the m I six. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>you're spending a lot of time dealing with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that your top spy has a habit of introducing himself

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<v Speaker 1>to any one in hearing range and then drinking his

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<v Speaker 1>way across the world. But you've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other more responsible spy types out there too, and you

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<v Speaker 1>might occasionally need to send them orders. But if your

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<v Speaker 1>operative is halfway across the world, deep in enemy territory

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't rely on normal communication channels, you might

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<v Speaker 1>want to send a coded message by shortwave radio. This

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<v Speaker 1>has a huge advantage and that the radio signal goes

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<v Speaker 1>out everywhere, so you know that your enemies will be

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<v Speaker 1>able to detect the signal, but they won't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the message was or who it was actually for. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were to call your operative, it's possible someone could

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<v Speaker 1>detect the call and trace it to the recipient, the spy,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus compromising them. So sending out a message by

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<v Speaker 1>a radio means you give no information about who is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to receive that message. The operative knows to tune

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<v Speaker 1>into a specific radio frequency at a specific time. This

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<v Speaker 1>is something that you have to work out beforehand, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>as most of us aren't aware of what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with radio waves all around us, or we'd have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble concentrating on anything. You might set up

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<v Speaker 1>a regular broadcast session using different frequencies throughout the day,

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<v Speaker 1>depending upon whichever one works best. And maybe some days

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<v Speaker 1>you have nothing to report, so you might even send

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<v Speaker 1>out a code for that, or it might just be gibberish.

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<v Speaker 1>But other days you need to alert your operative to

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<v Speaker 1>return home, or step it up and place a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>bet in baccarat or whatever it may be. So these

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<v Speaker 1>numbers stations typically have some sort of indicator at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the hour. The Lincoln Share Poacher, which we

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<v Speaker 1>played at the beginning of this episode, is an example

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<v Speaker 1>of that. That little tune marked the beginning of a transmission,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by the actual message. The message would be a

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<v Speaker 1>sequence of some sort, typically numbers, sometimes letters. The voice

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<v Speaker 1>might be a recording, or it might be read live

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<v Speaker 1>on the air. It could be a man, a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>or a child's voice. You might pick up a short

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<v Speaker 1>wave signal with someone counting in another language. But what

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<v Speaker 1>do those codes actually mean? Well, that's the real question,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's one that's kind of impossible for us to

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<v Speaker 1>answer because the coded messages use an approach that is

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<v Speaker 1>unbreakable assuming you don't get hold of the secret. So

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<v Speaker 1>this leads us to a discussion about cryptography. Cryptography, or

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<v Speaker 1>the art of writing and or breaking codes, is ancient,

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<v Speaker 1>and people have come up with a lot of interesting

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<v Speaker 1>ways to hide important information even if it's in plain sight,

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<v Speaker 1>and have it be indecipherable as it were to the

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<v Speaker 1>uninitiated at least. These range from the very simple strategies

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<v Speaker 1>such as a rudimentary replacements for like the Caesar cipher,

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<v Speaker 1>where you just substitute symbols for letters or just shift

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<v Speaker 1>letters around, so, for example, you might say a B

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<v Speaker 1>actually means C and a C means D. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>very simple Caesar cipher. While these sort of ciphers might

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<v Speaker 1>confound someone at casual first glance, they aren't particularly hard

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<v Speaker 1>to crack. If you happen to know what language was

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<v Speaker 1>used to write the message, you can look for patterns

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<v Speaker 1>in those symbols to indicate common letter combinations. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>in English, the letters J, Q, X, and z are

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<v Speaker 1>really pretty rare, but the letters A, E, O, and

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<v Speaker 1>T are really common. So you can look for symbols

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<v Speaker 1>that show up a lot and start to think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these most likely represent some of the most common letters.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have letter pairs. In English, you get

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like T H, E, R, O, N and A

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<v Speaker 1>N a lot. You can also look for common double

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<v Speaker 1>letters like T, T, S, S, E and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing the rules of the language means you can start

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<v Speaker 1>looking for clues as to what these symbols actually represent.

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<v Speaker 1>Some ciphers take one little extra step, including some symbols

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<v Speaker 1>for common letter pairings. Really, this is just taking a

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<v Speaker 1>page from other alphabets, including older English alphabets. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the old English letter thorn represents the th h or

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<v Speaker 1>the sound. So maybe you have symbols that can represent

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<v Speaker 1>certain letter pairs or double letters or phonetic sounds, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can make it a tiny bit more challenging if

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<v Speaker 1>someone wants to break the code. Now. There are also

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<v Speaker 1>ciphers that use clever means to change how letters are

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<v Speaker 1>encoded in some predetermined way. Which is what the famed

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<v Speaker 1>Enigma machine could do. The Enigma machine was like a

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<v Speaker 1>really complicated typewriter, only when you hit a given letter

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<v Speaker 1>such as W on the machine, the machine would generate

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<v Speaker 1>a different letter based on whatever its initial settings were.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you hit W and you get G instead.

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<v Speaker 1>You write that down for your encoded message. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>Enigma machine would advance its mechanism so that the entire

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<v Speaker 1>encoding process changed. So if you hit W again, now

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the machine wouldn't produce G for the second W, it

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>would produce something else, like maybe P. The Enigma machine

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>was so complicated that it prompted Allied forces in World

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>War Two to construct early computer systems. And had it

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<v Speaker 1>not been for a couple of quirks with the machine, so,

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>for example, the machine would never use the correct letter

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>as a cipher for itself. Well, if it hadn't been

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>doing those sort of things, the Allies might not have

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>ever cracked that code. And there are other methods to

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>send information in a clandestine way. There's hiding information within

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>some other message or inside a physical object. This is

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>called steganography. So you can imagine a painting that has

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>a hidden message incorporated in it so that anyone who's

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>just looking at the painting just see's a painting, but

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>someone who knows what to look for can read the message.

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Steganography is fascinating stuff, and in our modern tech age,

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>it can extend to stuff like files that are hidden

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>within other files. So how do numbers stations keep information secret?

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Well's through one of the oldest tricks in the book,

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the one time pad. Using a one time pad properly

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much a guarantee that no one will ever

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>be able to crack the code. It's a perfect cipher

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>in that regard, though in other ways it has its

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>own drawbacks. Now, when we come back, we'll talk about

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the one time pad some of the famous number stations

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>out there and speculate on what it all means. Spies.

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>It means spies. We'll be right back, okay. So the

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>beauty of the one time pad is that if you

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>do it correctly, it is unbreakable. The reason for that

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>is two fold. One is that the key that you

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>used to actually encrypt the message is a randomly generated key,

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>So each letter of your message has an encryption method

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>that is independent of every other letter in your message.

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>So someone intercepting the message won't be able to look

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>for those patterns in the symbols. And the other reason

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>is that you use each randomly generated encryption key only once.

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>After you use it, you destroy the key. Since you

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>don't repeat the process, you avoid giving code breakers enough

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>information in order to crack a message. If the code

0:31:56.560 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 1>never repeats, you can't establish any patterns. Now, the downside

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>of this is that you do have to make sure

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that everyone you're communicating with has a copy of the

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>encryption keys. So whenever you generate that random key, you

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>have to make sure the person or people that you're

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>sending messages to have exact copies that they are able

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to keep safe. Going back to the Enigma machine, if

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the Germans had followed the procedure of changing the machine

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>settings for every single message, it would have made the

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>code even more difficult to crack. But an actual practice,

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>doing this was very hard to keep straight and could

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>result in miscommunication. So for the sake of convenience and clarity,

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the Germans often wouldn't change the settings as frequently as

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to, and that gave the Allies a

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>foothold and figuring out what was actually going on. Generating

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>a coded message requires a few steps, and since we're

0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about numbers stations, I'll go with numbers first. But

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, it's not just the way numbers work,

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's the easiest way to explain it to

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you guys. So your first step is that you create

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a simple substitution cipher for all the letters in the alphabet,

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>plus any symbols that you plan on using, for example,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>any punctuation. You assign numbers to each of those letters

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and symbols, So you could go just as simple as

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>numbering the English alphabet from one to twenty six A

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>to Z, but that's pretty simplistic. So you establish your

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>basic cipher, and you make sure everyone who needs it

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>has that they know that if they see a one,

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>that means a two means to be for ciphered text.

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>But that's just one step. Next, you generate your encryption key. Now,

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>this should be a string of random numbers, with each

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>number ranging from zero to nine. Typically you group them

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>in blocks to make it easier to trans it and receive.

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>The most common one I've come across is blocks of

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>five digits each. Now this is really important. Your encryption

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>key has to be as long or longer than whatever

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>message you intend to send. So if your message is

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>one forty characters long, you need one hundred forty randomly

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:28.720
<v Speaker 1>generated numbers, and you create a whole bunch of these

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of communication, with each encryption key taking

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>up a single page out of a path of paper.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>If you were to look at one of these sheets

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 1>of paper, all you would see are a bunch of

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>digits divide up into groups of five, and just no

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 1>apparent pattern to them because they would be randomly generated.

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 1>So when it comes time to encode a message, let's

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>say your message is extract asset. That's what you want

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>to tell your operative. You would write down your message

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 1>in English, So you write down extract have a space asset,

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and then you would use your cipher method to change

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>each letter into its corresponding number. So we'll go with

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.439
<v Speaker 1>the very simple substitution of A is one, b as two,

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and so on, but we would probably use something different

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>in the field. We're gonna use zero as an empty space.

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.720
<v Speaker 1>A lot of real number stations use a different method

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 1>UH in order to make it easier for people who

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>are receiving the messages to actually decode them, but you

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>get where I'm going. So using our substitution cipher, we

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>see that the first letter of our message, the E

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>in extract, would be the fifth letter of the alphabet.

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>So our first ciphered note is five. The second letter

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 1>of extract is X. That's the twenty four letter, So

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.760
<v Speaker 1>then we have to write to four. So this actually

0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 1>takes up two digits in our our cipher text. When

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>we're done, are simple substitution cipher would look like this.

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>This is extract asset. If we were to write it

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>all out by numbers, it would be five two four

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>to zero, one eight one three two zero zero one

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>one nine one nine five to zero. But this is

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 1>not encrypted yet. It's just enciphered, which means that if

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>someone were to intercept this message, they could potentially suss

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>out what it means pretty quickly. I mean, for one thing,

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>if you listen to that, even though it's broken up

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 1>into two different blocks of of digits, you do have

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 1>a repeating one nine one nine in there that could

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>indicate a double letter, and in this case it actually does.

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Those are the two s. Is an asset, So now

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.919
<v Speaker 1>you have to encrypt this mess age. This is when

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>we take one of those randomly generated encryption keys, the

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 1>ones that are at least as long, but preferably longer

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 1>than the messages we plan to send, and we've grouped

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the encryption key into blocks of five digits, but again

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 1>these digits are each randomly generated. We grab the first

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>key off our pad. Let's say that this key starts

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>with a five digit block that says zero eight to

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:30.839
<v Speaker 1>three nine. Now we would probably just hold onto those

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>first five numbers, not use them for encryption, because those

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>first five numbers will alert our agents in the field

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 1>which of the encryption keys they need to use, because

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>remember they have a whole pad of these things, and

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>each one is different, so they have to look in

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>their pad and say, all right, well, let's look for

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 1>the encryption key that starts with zero eight to three nine.

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>That's our starting point. So we've got our ciphered text

0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 1>and beneath those numbers of the ciphers, so our first

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>block was five to four to zero. Beneath that we

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>would write the second block of the encryption key, and

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>then we would do the third block of the encryption key,

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>then the fourth block, and then the fifth block to

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>correspond with the four blocks of five numbers that represent

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:24.719
<v Speaker 1>extract asset. Now again these are randomly generated digits from

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>zero to nine. Then we do quick subtraction digit by digit.

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>We take the encryption key number for each corresponding digit

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 1>of our ciphered text, and we subtract the encryption key

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>from the ciphered key. So I remember our first five

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>numbers of our cipher text are five to four to zero.

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's say that our randomly generated encryption key is two seven. Well,

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>if we're subtracting digit by digit, that means our first

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 1>pairing would be the five from our block of cipher

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 1>text and the two from the ccryption key. So five

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>minus two gives us three. This is the beginning of

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 1>our encrypted text. But our second subtraction is seven that's

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>from our encryption key, from two that's from our cipher

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>In this case, you would make the two a twelve

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of subtraction, and your answer would be

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 1>five and so on. So you subtract each encryption key

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 1>digit from the ciphered message digit to create the encrypted message.

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:37.760
<v Speaker 1>So our first block of encrypted five digits would be three, five, three,

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>three five. Remember we started with five to four zero.

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:48.760
<v Speaker 1>That in turn stands for the letters e x T. Anyway,

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you do this encryption method for your entire message, you

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 1>turn it into blocks of numbers. Then you can broadcast

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 1>those blocks of numbers through a number station. The agent

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>tunes into that specific frequent see and agreed upon time.

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>They listen for that first block of five numbers, they

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>grab the sheet out of their pad that corresponds to that.

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 1>They write down the message that's being broadcast, number by number.

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>They match each new number to the next digit in

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the encryption key, and then they just add those two

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 1>numbers together to get the ciphered version of the message.

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Then they convert the ciphered version to the original message,

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>so they're just reversing the process. It's pretty elegant, and

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 1>because that encryption key is random, it is impossible to crack.

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>This is also why if you listen to a numbers

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 1>station broadcast, the speaker typically will repeat a block of

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>five numbers a couple of times, maybe several times, before

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>moving on to the next block of five numbers. This

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>gives the listener enough time to make sure they are

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>transcribing each digit correctly, otherwise their decryption process isn't going

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to work. Now, this key is impossible to crack as

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>long as that encryption key remains random. But generating random

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>numbers is actually trickier than it sounds now. One way

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 1>to do this would just be to take a ten

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 1>sided die and roll it a bunch, and then write

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.839
<v Speaker 1>down each of the results of your roles as you go.

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 1>The number of times you roll the die depends on

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 1>how long you're encryption key is going to be, but

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind you want that encryption key to be

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>at least as long as the messages you're planning to

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>send preferably longer. So if your key has twenty blocks

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of five digits each, you would be rolling that die

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>one d times and writing down the results, and the

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 1>first five digits of your new key typically aren't used

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 1>as encryption, but rather identification. You can use other means

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.280
<v Speaker 1>to identify which pad or which page and a pad

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.919
<v Speaker 1>you should be using, but that's a pretty common one.

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 1>There are computer programs that are supposed to generate random numbers.

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, you've probably heard of r n g s

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>A random and umber generators, but what these really do

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:07.720
<v Speaker 1>is that they generate pseudo random numbers. They're not true

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 1>random numbers. Computers have to follow rules. Now, those rules

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 1>can be really complicated, but they're still rules, and randomness

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:21.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of falls outside of the rules category. So computer

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:27.320
<v Speaker 1>random number generators typically aren't truly random. Now to mere mortals,

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.479
<v Speaker 1>it can seem random, but in most cases, a person

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>who knew the rules that the program was following in

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>order to generate the numbers could create another program to

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 1>duplicate that result, and that means the numbers aren't really

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 1>random at all, and that could put an encryption key

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>at risk. For that reason, a lot of spy agencies

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>don't rely on computers to generate random numbers. Typically they'll

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>use other methods. Numbers stations really proliferated in the years

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>after World War Two and throughout the Cold War, presumably

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.399
<v Speaker 1>because you had spies all over the Ding Dang during

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>place with American spies in Russia, you had Soviet spies

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:11.839
<v Speaker 1>in America, and so on. The numbers stations declined in

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>well number over the years, but there are still a

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>few out there broadcasting digits to whomever is listening. Some

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of them may still be connected to espionage, but others

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 1>might be connected to non governmental activities, you know, like drugs, smuggling.

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Some of the numbers stations are shall we say, executed

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>in a less than professional manner, which suggests that they

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>are not backed by, you know, state backed operations. It's

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 1>also possible that some numbers stations are broadcasting out meaningless

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 1>numbers just to obvious skate what's really going on. If

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you flood the airwaves with nonsense, you keep your opponents

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<v Speaker 1>guessing at what you're actually up to. Now I've already

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<v Speaker 1>played for you a bill of the Lincolnshire Poacher Numbers Station,

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<v Speaker 1>which may have well been connected to the Seek Intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>Service of the UK. But there was also the Swedish Rhapsody,

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<v Speaker 1>which would begin with a jangly little tune that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like it came straight from an ice cream truck. There

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<v Speaker 1>was the Gong, which began with a series of low

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<v Speaker 1>pitched percussive tones as if bells or gongs were being struck,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by someone reading out numbers in German. There were

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<v Speaker 1>tons of others, and there's still several in operation today.

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<v Speaker 1>A Keen Fernandez, a short wave radio enthusiasts, became fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>with these numbers stations and released a set of CDs

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<v Speaker 1>containing recordings of various Numbers stations from around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find the recordings available online for free, and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of musicians have actually incorporated parts of those recordings

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<v Speaker 1>into their own works. One of the brilliant things about

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<v Speaker 1>number stations is that, well you might figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>the broadcast is coming from if you have the equipment

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<v Speaker 1>to triangulate a signal. Like I said before, you have

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<v Speaker 1>no way of knowing who those messages are intended for.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just broadcast out into the world, so anyone could

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<v Speaker 1>be the intended recipient. But there have been a few

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<v Speaker 1>cases in which authorities caught spies and uncovered their involvement

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<v Speaker 1>with Numbers stations, but not because they had some magical

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<v Speaker 1>way of finding out who was getting the messages. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, in two thousand one, U S authorities arrested

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Mantez Montez had secured a position with the US

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<v Speaker 1>Defense Intelligence Agency, which, y'all, that's impressive for a spy

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<v Speaker 1>to infiltrate an organization that you know spies on people wowsers.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually that happens, not like super frequently, but way

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<v Speaker 1>more frequently than I would have thought. I figured, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're the experts on spying, you should be pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>at picking out ones that are trying to infiltrate your organization,

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<v Speaker 1>but as the Mission Impossible movies tell us, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>always the case. Anyway, the authorities suspected her of acting

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of another country. They searched her home and

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<v Speaker 1>they found a code sheet for encrypting messages, plus a

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<v Speaker 1>short wave radio. It turned out she was spying for Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>and in eleven German authorities arrested a married couple named

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<v Speaker 1>Hydron and Andreas Anschlag, both of whom were spying for

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<v Speaker 1>the Russians and had been for years before the Berlin

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<v Speaker 1>Wall had come down. During the raid on the couple's home,

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<v Speaker 1>Hydron was actually in the middle of receiving a short

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<v Speaker 1>wave transmission. In the United States. In the mid nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI identified possible Cuban spies in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and they managed to break into the home of one

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<v Speaker 1>of those spies. They found a computer there with a

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<v Speaker 1>decryption program on it. Essentially, it was a computer with

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<v Speaker 1>the one time use pad programmed into it, so it

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<v Speaker 1>had the codes used by numbers stations, and the FEDS

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<v Speaker 1>just copied the key and they used it to decipher

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<v Speaker 1>incoming messages that allowed them to build a big legal

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<v Speaker 1>case against numerous spies. But again, if done correct, this

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<v Speaker 1>approach is unassailable. It just requires that the spies remain

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<v Speaker 1>you know, undetected through other means, and that they keep

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<v Speaker 1>a tight grip on their decryption keys. Otherwise the jig

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<v Speaker 1>is up. And while the number of stations continue to

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<v Speaker 1>be creepy and a suitable fit for films and TV

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:23.240
<v Speaker 1>series about paranormal stuff or aliens or whatever, the truth

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<v Speaker 1>of the matter is that they're probably telling operatives overseas

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<v Speaker 1>to knock it off with all the martinis and extract

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<v Speaker 1>assets stuff like that. Fascinating things. By the way, you

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<v Speaker 1>can find lots of recordings of numbers stations online. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also find websites that allow you to use a

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<v Speaker 1>software that lets you tune into different shortwave radio frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>around the world, which is really really cool that it

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<v Speaker 1>lets you actually listen in two different shortwave broadcasts which

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<v Speaker 1>may or may not be number stations. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people using shortwave radio to just

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<v Speaker 1>chat with each other like amateur radio operators, but occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually find operating numbers stations. There are lots

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<v Speaker 1>of resources online if you are interested in looking into that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also always invest in short wave radio equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>although that kind of depends on where you are, like

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<v Speaker 1>it may not, you may not be able to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up really interesting broadcasts depending on your location. You also

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<v Speaker 1>typically have to use really super long antenna that need

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<v Speaker 1>to be you know, elevated a pretty good distance to

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>pick up broadcasts from really far away, so your mileage

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<v Speaker 1>may vary with physical shortwave radio setups. But as I say,

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<v Speaker 1>there are websites where you can tune into someone else's

0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>short wave radio and use special software that lets you

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<v Speaker 1>tune into different frequencies, being able to really listen in

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<v Speaker 1>on whatever is going on that's being picked up by

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that particular radio set. So if you are int said,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you do some more research and check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Very cool stuff, all right. That wraps up this episode

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<v Speaker 1>of tech stuff. In our next episode, who knows what

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about, I don't, but I'm looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you guys have suggestions for topics I should cover

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<v Speaker 1>in future episodes, let me know. It could be a technology,

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<v Speaker 1>a trend in tech company, a person, really, anything that's

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<v Speaker 1>related to tech I'm eager to look at, examine and

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<v Speaker 1>then report back to you guys. But let me know

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