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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Nick is now kick Yeah, both
Speaker 3: of them like that. I didn't see to exactly. We're
Speaker 3: talking about the Detroit game last night. He had two
Speaker 3: kicks exactly that, like both just kind of scurred it
Speaker 3: right inside the upright. And that game was a good
Speaker 3: game though. That was a really really good game, and
Speaker 3: I just kept thinking, the team will be here next weekend.
Speaker 3: That's a good team right there. Both these teams are
Speaker 3: I think created in that same image of just tough.
Speaker 3: They'll battle you, they play physical like it's it's gonna
Speaker 3: be an interesting game. But we'll get to all that.
Speaker 3: We've got plenty of time to talk about that this
Speaker 3: week as we get read extra day. Yeah we do,
Speaker 3: because it's a Monday night game. So but but today
Speaker 3: it is our job to break down what we saw yesterday.
Speaker 3: Cowboys go down to the Eagles thirty four to six,
Speaker 3: a game that I you know, there's been a lot
Speaker 3: of games this year where in my opinion, the score
Speaker 3: didn't really reflect what you saw in the field. And
Speaker 3: to me, yes today was a similar thing, but for
Speaker 3: different reasons. Because what I saw from the defense in
Speaker 3: the second half, I mean the first half to me,
Speaker 3: isn't reflected in the score. I thought the defense played
Speaker 3: a pretty good game. But Philly put up thirty four points.
Speaker 3: A lot of that came on turnovers by the offense,
Speaker 3: but they put up thirty four points. What would be
Speaker 3: the storyline of the game for you guys, Let's start
Speaker 3: with you, Broy.
Speaker 4: It was I think that they found something with overshown
Speaker 4: as a rusher. I know we talked about it here
Speaker 4: and I'm going to try in a thirty four to
Speaker 4: six shellacking. I'm not gonna sit here and you know,
Speaker 4: and just beat down something that's already beat down. This
Speaker 4: team is not good enough. You saw it. Your talent
Speaker 4: coren area, especially right now at quarterback. You just can't
Speaker 4: compete with the quarterbacks you have. You know, you've had
Speaker 4: some problem. He had to make a spot start at
Speaker 4: offensive tackle. The left tackle. Kid did a great job.
Speaker 4: He had one bad play, had one bad play that
Speaker 4: ended up being a sack. But we've talked about on
Speaker 4: this show. Okay, now start to focus on some things,
Speaker 4: some positive things for some young players, or some scheme
Speaker 4: things you see different. I really appreciate the fact that
Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer came up with a scheme that really confused
Speaker 4: Hurts when it came to the double a gap look
Speaker 4: with the blitz putting three linebackers in the middle and
Speaker 4: then rushing one of them drop two and then mixing
Speaker 4: up who they were going to rush. So you're going
Speaker 4: to talk about positivity about as far as maybe some
Speaker 4: defensive stuff that going forward overshown as a pass rusher.
Speaker 4: I had a gut feeling that this guy and what's
Speaker 4: kind of unfortunate for him is the touchdown right before
Speaker 4: the half. He's got Hurts dead to rights and he
Speaker 4: usually doesn't miss in space like that. He just overrat
Speaker 4: He was so fast, I mean nobody picked him up
Speaker 4: and so he was so fast it hurts and Hurts
Speaker 4: did a really nice job of just what you see
Speaker 4: how many times we watch quarterback drills in training camp.
Speaker 4: We always work on, you know, taking the ball and avoiding,
Speaker 4: and that's what Hurts was able to do. But I'm
Speaker 4: looking at this, I'm looking at him as such a
Speaker 4: positive light on something that's been so wrong all year,
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm looking at I'm looking at awesome
Speaker 4: Richards getting a start at left tackle when now, how
Speaker 4: much reps did he really get? Maybe he got a
Speaker 4: lot of reps because of the the next problem, the
Speaker 4: next shoulder problem with Geyton, But he went out there
Speaker 4: and played a whale of a game. I mean, Mozzie
Speaker 4: Smith actually had three really good snaps where he looked
Speaker 4: like an NFL defensive tackle. You know, He's like extending,
Speaker 4: gets rid of Cam Jerg and just throws in basically
Speaker 4: on the ground, stops it up. You know, makes a
Speaker 4: player or two. You know, those are the things I'm
Speaker 4: looking for now because I know this team's not good enough.
Speaker 4: I just know they're not good enough, and the storyline
Speaker 4: is always going to be especially this year. The margin
Speaker 4: of error is so small. You just can't, you know,
Speaker 4: you just can't, you know, have anything. They can't. Nothing
Speaker 4: comes easy, but the margin mirror is really small. I mean,
Speaker 4: your kid out there at left corner, you know, the
Speaker 4: double move is killing him. Now he's now fighting that
Speaker 4: where they've realized that, Okay, you can't throw it at
Speaker 4: Digs because Digs makes a damn good play. They got
Speaker 4: exactly what they wanted on the route. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: going to be a touchdown. Digs is just like, nah, no,
Speaker 4: you're not. It's very similar to what Branch did to
Speaker 4: Dak in the Detroit game. It's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: your eyes aren't overlooking at that flat, it's looking inside.
Speaker 4: Hurts did the same thing and Digs made a hell
Speaker 4: of a play. So you know, those are the things
Speaker 4: you just kind of, you know, you kind of look
Speaker 4: at as a positive aspect from the team. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it does it's no good right now, just to can
Speaker 4: this team is what it is. You just now have
Speaker 4: to figure out what are the pieces going forward With
Speaker 4: a lot of time left. I mean, there are a
Speaker 4: lot of games I just don't feel they're going to
Speaker 4: do very good. But at least I'm going to now
Speaker 4: take the approach of like, Okay, it is what it is.
Speaker 4: You don't have your quarterback, find me the players that
Speaker 4: are going to be part of this future, and see
Speaker 4: how they play the remainder this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, yesterday for me marked the end of my grieving
Speaker 7: period of like, Okay, now I'm in acceptance and this
Speaker 7: is what we have and this is what it is,
Speaker 7: and that's it. Like yesterday, and I remember you post
Speaker 7: a question whether we should start looking into the draft
Speaker 7: and all that last week, but I was curious to
Speaker 7: see if anything would change as far as the game
Speaker 7: plan for the offense, and with you having a different quarterback,
Speaker 7: that did not change. You showed up with basically the
Speaker 7: same exact game plan and no adjustments, not type of
Speaker 7: any type of creativity. We've been talking about that word
Speaker 7: all throughout the season, but there was nothing different. Like,
Speaker 7: I haven't seen Mike McCarthy do anything different as far
Speaker 7: as a play caller, and when he has, like for example,
Speaker 7: that package that he threw Trey Lensing for the first time,
Speaker 7: it was like, what what are we doing here to
Speaker 7: It was interesting, but it's just okay, you've accepted this,
Speaker 7: outcome this and now you go into game. As far
Speaker 7: as me, you go into game just relaxed and looking
Speaker 7: for those moments, those exciting moments.
Speaker 2: That will occur.
Speaker 7: And it just goes to show once again, despite of
Speaker 7: what some people think about Micah Parsons, he's still a
Speaker 7: very important key player to these to this defense. It
Speaker 7: is very clear when he's on the field versus when
Speaker 7: he's not on the field, it changes everything. And I
Speaker 7: think the way that they used the marming overshown was
Speaker 7: clearly a new light there. And with the combination of
Speaker 7: Micah Parsons, I think it makes me feel more excited
Speaker 7: into like, hopefully Micah's future is here in Dallas and
Speaker 7: maybe the combination of this two together is an exciting
Speaker 7: piece for this defense looking forward. But also it just
Speaker 7: goes to show how important having a pass rush is
Speaker 7: to your game, and this is something that the Cowboy's
Speaker 7: defense has been lacking all year long, and it just
Speaker 7: changes everything. It's unfortunate that your defense did basically all
Speaker 7: they could do for you. But yet once again, you
Speaker 7: can all get into the end zone. You cannot score touchdowns.
Speaker 7: The offense is just unable to generate any kinds of
Speaker 7: points other than those two field goals by Brandon Aubrey.
Speaker 2: But you can't.
Speaker 7: There's only so much you can ask a defense when
Speaker 7: your offense is playing the way that it is.
Speaker 2: And they are gonna get tired.
Speaker 7: They did everything they could in the first half, So
Speaker 7: the second half, I mean, I'm not getting.
Speaker 4: Mad at the stop coming out of half. They went
Speaker 4: three and out coming out of half, and you're thinking like, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe you could find a way to get something going.
Speaker 4: I think your assessment is absolutely right.
Speaker 3: You know. The interesting thing is if you look at
Speaker 3: the defense, there really was only one point of consistent
Speaker 3: failure in my opinion right now, that was the corner
Speaker 3: I'm just saying position wise, that was the cornerback. They
Speaker 3: kept going to the same spot because they that's where
Speaker 3: they can go. But when you talk about the running game,
Speaker 3: which we talked about last week, they didn't really have
Speaker 3: the kind of day on the ground that you quarter
Speaker 3: are going to have. The quarterback killed you more. And
Speaker 3: I asked that question last remember I said, which one
Speaker 3: do you worry more about in the rushing game, and
Speaker 3: but I think that it was clear that they had
Speaker 3: a good game plan for how to bottle up Saquon
Speaker 3: Barkley a great day against them, But it was really
Speaker 3: more about that cornerback position. And that's where I look
Speaker 3: at this defense and I'm like, for me, the defense
Speaker 3: this year is all about injuries. The story of what
Speaker 3: we've seen is all about injuries. You give them both
Speaker 3: their cornerbacks, you give them their defensive ends, you give
Speaker 3: them the linebackers, and what they could have figured out
Speaker 3: with overshown, I think this defense plays a much different season,
Speaker 3: and I think they're okay. The baffling thing for me
Speaker 3: was what we saw yesterday with the offense and what
Speaker 3: we've really seen all season with the offense, which is
Speaker 3: a huge let down from the standpoint of what they
Speaker 3: were last year to what they are this year.
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush looked like a guy that never started in
Speaker 4: an NFL game yesterday. Yeah, you know, and that's that's
Speaker 4: the unfortunately shot by that. Yeah I am, because to me,
Speaker 4: when he came off the bench against Atlanta, man a
Speaker 4: beautiful throw down the down the field of ceedee lamb
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden it's CD. It just you know,
Speaker 4: it gets too far. They had one to Tolbert. Those
Speaker 4: too far, I didn't understand. To me, that looked like
Speaker 4: a guy that was very nervous about And maybe he
Speaker 4: was nervous. Maybe you've talked about the offensive line all
Speaker 4: year about it's the ability to protect, and maybe he
Speaker 4: was worried about Ausome Richards over there, you know, and
Speaker 4: maybe it's like get the ball. I'll get the ball,
Speaker 4: you know. But there were a couple of times where
Speaker 4: that he didn't get the ball out, you know, and
Speaker 4: you know, a veteran quarterback dropping a snap, a simple
Speaker 4: shotgun snap. They've got the play block. But you go
Speaker 4: back and watch it. They got the play blocked. It's
Speaker 4: going to be a toss going to the right. They
Speaker 4: got the thing blocked. He just catched the ball and
Speaker 4: hand it and hand it to or flip it to Dabble.
Speaker 4: That's going to be a positive play. But yeah, they
Speaker 4: to me, you know, you look at the interception that
Speaker 4: they had, the interception that that that Lance threw. Man,
Speaker 4: he's got no business throwing that ball because to me,
Speaker 4: you know, it's one of those things Tobert is just
Speaker 4: getting mugged. I mean, there's just I mean, you're thinking, okay,
Speaker 4: he's gonna win one on one ounce and that was
Speaker 4: a backup corner. You know, that's that's ringo that he's
Speaker 4: going on the backup corner. And he still didn't separate
Speaker 4: off that. You know, he's getting mugged the whole way
Speaker 4: down the field. And you know, Lance throws the ball
Speaker 4: and you're like going why And then you know that
Speaker 4: you mentioned Ambar about the stuff in the red zone,
Speaker 4: the fumble. You know, the fumbles happens. Even if even
Speaker 4: if he holds onto the ball, they're gonna get a
Speaker 4: holding call on span Fod. It's going to now make
Speaker 4: it second in you know, second and thirteen from the
Speaker 4: you know thirteen. So I mean it's it's our second
Speaker 4: goal from the thirteen. They just can't they can't stay
Speaker 4: out of their own way. I mean, they can't. They
Speaker 4: just can't. It's it's just hard for them to do
Speaker 4: anything with any I mean, the one they have like
Speaker 4: one drive a game where they look like an NFL offense,
Speaker 4: and then the rest of the time it's just it's
Speaker 4: it's just it's it's just disheartening. YEP, it really is
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit deeper about Cooper
Speaker 3: Rush and if what you saw yesterday was more of
Speaker 3: a reflection of the game plan, because I don't think
Speaker 3: there were a lot of quick, quick check down type
Speaker 3: routes that they were running. Or do you think there
Speaker 3: were some opportunities downfield that he just didn't see, they
Speaker 3: didn't choose to take, or the pass rush got to him.
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Speaker 3: let's talk a little bit more about the quarterback position.
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to watch the full game back,
Speaker 3: I've gotten about halfway through it. One thing that I
Speaker 3: did notice was that it seemed like a lot of
Speaker 3: the routes that they were running, a lot of the
Speaker 3: plays that they ran were designed plays to get the
Speaker 3: ball out quick. Is that what you've seen as well?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And do you think this was a situation where that
Speaker 3: was the game plan? Because maybe it's because of Austin
Speaker 3: Richards and they were a little afraid. Maybe it's because
Speaker 3: of the whole offensive line, because offensive line hasn't been
Speaker 3: great all year.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: Or is it a situation where there were opportunities downfield
Speaker 3: and and and Cooper just missed them.
Speaker 4: There weren't many opportunities down the field. They didn't try
Speaker 4: to throw the ball down the field. It was very
Speaker 4: reminiscent of the Atlanta game plan, where everything was short
Speaker 4: and hopeful run after catch. So there really wasn't anything
Speaker 4: of some you know, those massive deep shot. The one
Speaker 4: deep shot that they did take down the field. They well,
Speaker 4: they tried one on third down to Brooks that bounce.
Speaker 4: Then Cooper had a ball that was short, another ball
Speaker 4: that was short to Brooks. On the other sidelines. He
Speaker 4: had Ceedee Lamb open on a on a vertical route
Speaker 4: that they they missed. But other than that, everything was
Speaker 4: zero to nine and hope that maybe you get a
Speaker 4: broken tackle and get more yards out of it. Everything
Speaker 4: was pretty much quick at the quick, the curls, the hitches,
Speaker 4: some drag stuff, but nothing that that would give the Eagles.
Speaker 4: They they must have been really, really, really nervous about
Speaker 4: this pass rush, but I think for the most part
Speaker 4: they held up pretty pretty well, you know, for the
Speaker 4: pressures and stuff that they were a couple of times,
Speaker 4: like I say, we're you know that the one sack
Speaker 4: that that Austome Richard gave up. It was his worst
Speaker 4: technique of the game. You know, he was over the
Speaker 4: tops of his feet, he was overextended, he couldn't adjust,
Speaker 4: and it happened to be a sack.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 4: But that's you know, that's that they they needed to
Speaker 4: have something planned to go more down the field. I
Speaker 4: wish they would have tried to keep on running the
Speaker 4: ball a little bit more, but you know, the game
Speaker 4: gets out of hand for him. And once the game
Speaker 4: gets out of hand for him, then Mike turns into Okay,
Speaker 4: we have to throw it now, but we're not throwing
Speaker 4: it with any any type of purpose. You threw it
Speaker 4: with some purpose when Rush came in in the Atlanta game,
Speaker 4: because you had no choice. Well, yesterday it just it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a very good game from recognition and acory standpoint.
Speaker 4: I mean, there was a time where they just remembering
Speaker 4: they run a route inside there. They had a couple
Speaker 4: of weird plays where they run the ball. You remember
Speaker 4: CD runs and doesn't see he doesn't turn around and
Speaker 4: get the ball. It's like they're running a screen. They're
Speaker 4: setting up a screen and Cooper rushed through it. Like
Speaker 4: it was a regular route.
Speaker 3: And CD was actually looking he was.
Speaker 4: Blocking the block, and you got lineman peeling out and
Speaker 4: a bat and you got Dabele is like checking and
Speaker 4: then going to his right, and now the ball is
Speaker 4: being thrown over the middle of the field and Lamon
Speaker 4: even looking for the ball, and you're like, going, the
Speaker 4: hell was that busted play? But everybody else is running
Speaker 4: screen but the quarterback right, so you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's the one guy that needs to run the screen
Speaker 4: is not running the screen. And then he had the throw.
Speaker 4: They had a double they had a double end cut.
Speaker 4: He threw the ball too high to Tobart early in
Speaker 4: the game. It almost got intercepted h Tolbert's open and
Speaker 4: if he doesn't like Tobert, he's got Turpin right behind that.
Speaker 4: And a throw that he made in the Atlanta game
Speaker 4: on four down inside to get a first down. He
Speaker 4: passed on it, but he threw the ball way too
Speaker 4: high and over the top of Tolbert's head. He just
Speaker 4: looked like a quarterback that it was making his first start,
Speaker 4: and that's unfortunate because he's he's played quite a bit.
Speaker 4: When you when you think about, you know, for a
Speaker 4: backup quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's some type.
Speaker 7: Of disconnect happening there because and we again we talked
Speaker 7: about it last week. You expect your backup quarterback to
Speaker 7: be ready to go and not looked like that, especially
Speaker 7: for a guy like him who has done it before.
Speaker 2: And I the crazy thing to me is that there
Speaker 2: wasn't It didn't.
Speaker 7: Look like a big, like much of a drop off
Speaker 7: between your starter deck and then Cooper Rush and then
Speaker 7: Trede Lance to add him to the mix. And that
Speaker 7: just goes to show One, I'm not gonna talk about
Speaker 7: the play calling because I keep mentioning that I've hated
Speaker 7: the play calling all year long. But two, it once
Speaker 7: again illustrates your point, Derek, with this offensive line, and
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to put everything on them, because obviously
Speaker 7: a lot of it falls back into the quarterback and
Speaker 7: some of the decisions that they're making. But at the
Speaker 7: same time, it seems like you need so much protection
Speaker 7: in order for you to try to get anything going
Speaker 7: for this offense. And whoever the quarterback is behind that line,
Speaker 7: and I don't know how you solve this quickly. It's
Speaker 7: not gonna happen. It doesn't seem it's gonna happen this year,
Speaker 7: even though there are moments where you see players have
Speaker 7: good blocking and all of that. But at the same time,
Speaker 7: it's just I think maybe this is something that is
Speaker 7: starting to be just creating some panic mentally that you
Speaker 7: feel like you're gonna get attacked, somebody's gonna come brushing,
Speaker 7: and it's just like it doesn't allow you to fully
Speaker 7: focus on what you need to do and like fully
Speaker 7: look at what's happening on the play and on the field.
Speaker 2: But there's so many layers to this.
Speaker 7: Because then that leads me to think, also, while we've
Speaker 7: talked about the separation and the wide receivers, the receivers
Speaker 7: trying to find some separation. So it's just like a
Speaker 7: crazy combination of everything happening all that once.
Speaker 3: But I also think, and this is me just looking
Speaker 3: at the separation issue, if you want to just focus
Speaker 3: in on that, I don't think the types of routes
Speaker 3: that they're being asked to run lead to situations where
Speaker 3: they're going to get much separation. They run a bunch
Speaker 3: of stick routes, a bunch of just like it's it's
Speaker 3: they're not designed like there was a Philly played a
Speaker 3: lot of men yesterday, and I'm like, why are they
Speaker 3: not doing more crossing routes to be able to take
Speaker 3: advantage of that. But even when they did run crossing routes,
Speaker 3: it was one of those situations where a quarterback early
Speaker 3: in the game, there's one crossing route I think it
Speaker 3: was CD, and he had some separation. Yea quarterback never
Speaker 3: saw him, never got the ball to him. By the
Speaker 3: time he did get the ball to him, it was
Speaker 3: a little too late the defender it caught up. And
Speaker 3: so it's like, there's always something that kind of messes
Speaker 3: up whatever you're trying to do. I don't think they
Speaker 3: have they don't run enough routes consistently enough. They give
Speaker 3: their wide receivers an opportunity to create separation, and then
Speaker 3: when they do, quarterback doesn't see it in time, don't
Speaker 3: get the ball out, or pressure gets there sack right.
Speaker 3: It's like there's always something. But I don't think the
Speaker 3: separation issue is just about receivers not being able to
Speaker 3: get free. I think a lot of that is about
Speaker 3: how they're they're what they're being asked to do, the
Speaker 3: routes are being asked to run.
Speaker 4: Here's a scary thought we've already started talking about the
Speaker 4: draft and Travis Hunter from Colorado. Yeah, you just even
Speaker 4: wonder if if you had if you had Travis Hunter
Speaker 4: in this offense, would you be able to run routes
Speaker 4: to take advantage of how good he is playing on
Speaker 4: the move? I think there's there's some there are some issues.
Speaker 4: You do not have a two on this, but you don't.
Speaker 4: You just don't, you know. And and when you look
Speaker 4: at you know, when you look at it, though, they
Speaker 4: need somebody that's really more explosive than what they've got.
Speaker 4: The the thought of maybe, well, you know, well, it's Cooks,
Speaker 4: it's Tollbird, it's Brooks, it's it's really just Lamb, it's
Speaker 4: they They they might have to completely relook at this
Speaker 4: wide receiver room and it but they might look at
Speaker 4: it and then they might not be able to completely
Speaker 4: turn it over. But it might turn into maybe a
Speaker 4: different and and and we'll see, We'll see what happens
Speaker 4: at the end of the year. Because somebody might come
Speaker 4: in here and have an idea of like, Okay, this
Speaker 4: is how I would use this is how I would
Speaker 4: use Tulbert, or this is how I'd use Turpin, or
Speaker 4: this is how I would use lamb. You know, they
Speaker 4: they they You're right, the stick routes, the hitches, the
Speaker 4: the curls. There's nothing that gets these guys on the
Speaker 4: move where you know. I mean, like I said, the
Speaker 4: one that passed that they got guys on the move,
Speaker 4: the passing over through the middle of the field of Tolbert,
Speaker 4: they had him and Turpin both breaking inside and both
Speaker 4: are open. So all of a sudden you get separation.
Speaker 4: You get what you want, but you can't complete the
Speaker 4: pass yep, you know what that's That's sometimes the issue
Speaker 4: here that you actually get something you want, but then
Speaker 4: something else happens to keep the play from being We've
Speaker 4: talked about some of these screen passes, like if they
Speaker 4: could just complete the screen, it's going to be a
Speaker 4: huge game. But no, they don't get the block they need,
Speaker 4: or the guy the back sets inside instead of setting outside.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a lot of things with this team.
Speaker 3: You know, another play where I think route running and
Speaker 3: recognition got got someone open and then the play just
Speaker 3: fell apart. Was the play that everybody's talking about with
Speaker 3: the light that Yeah, if you notice, if you watch Ferguson,
Speaker 3: Ferguson actually ran a really good route there because he
Speaker 3: was going out, he was double covered. He quickly shot
Speaker 3: back in side. That's why he was where you supposed to.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was designed like well. I think
Speaker 3: he went back to an open space and he probably
Speaker 3: could have cut that ball, I think, but he was
Speaker 3: back into an open space. If the quarterback throws him
Speaker 3: and hits him with that pass, that's a touchdown.
Speaker 4: It's easy.
Speaker 3: And it was a great route. Recognizing he has double covered,
Speaker 3: you keep going outside and you have double coverage, shoot
Speaker 3: back into the inside, and that's what he did, and
Speaker 3: it just ends up.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's funny because he was double covered and
Speaker 4: I think the rush wanted to go to him initially
Speaker 4: and he and he got caught. He saw the flash
Speaker 4: of or cd CD went from shadows into a little
Speaker 4: bit of sun to being all my son to being
Speaker 4: on the sun or the light, right, I'm sorry, just
Speaker 4: the light. But so if you if if the if,
Speaker 4: the if the throw off the jump is cd CD
Speaker 4: in the before he gets to the light, it's a
Speaker 4: touch right, because so now he's in between and I
Speaker 4: think Cooper got caught in between. Do I throw it
Speaker 4: to Ferguson because of the double coverage or whoa wait
Speaker 4: a minute, and now he's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: doing one of those, and you know, Lamb is kind
Speaker 4: of like, honestly, you know, it was tough. It was
Speaker 4: tough down there, It really was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just this feels like one of those things
Speaker 7: that you start pointing out one thing, but then that
Speaker 7: thing leads you to another thought, and it's just another
Speaker 7: thought and then you just keep going in the same
Speaker 7: vicious circle that you're just start going crazy, like there's
Speaker 7: no easy, quick solution here and it's just not one
Speaker 7: piece or there's so many different components and like, like
Speaker 7: you said, that's a clear example. And we've seen another
Speaker 7: one that when they or also we talked about this
Speaker 7: on the break, I think on the actual break between commercials.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're on the break.
Speaker 2: We are on the break.
Speaker 7: But this whole thing, like when they do have something
Speaker 7: that's kind of working for them, they stop and it's
Speaker 7: just like it just doesn't make.
Speaker 4: It any Philadelphia was having some problems during the year
Speaker 4: of defending the draw and then the nineteen yard run
Speaker 4: you had was a draw play because they're so they're
Speaker 4: so conscious of getting up the field and then you
Speaker 4: get blockers in place, and then you know you've got
Speaker 4: a tough runner and you know they're able to gain yards.
Speaker 4: But there were some opportunities you just you just it
Speaker 4: gets away from you. And I can say that that
Speaker 4: affects the play caller.
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Speaker 3: I got to ask you guys about what happened with
Speaker 3: the package for Trey Lance. We'll talk about that when
Speaker 3: we come back, and we got it before we end
Speaker 3: the show. We got to spend a little time on
Speaker 3: De marveon overshowing that man just had a day yesterday,
Speaker 3: especially in the first half. We'll talk about that when
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. Final segment of the Break live from the
Speaker 3: SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Let's talk about Trey
Speaker 3: Lance yesterday when he got into the game, his four
Speaker 3: six sixty seven percent completion rate, only twenty one yards passing,
Speaker 3: one interception, thirty two point six rating.
Speaker 4: He took, He gambled, he did, He gambled that his
Speaker 4: guy was going to get there, and this guy just
Speaker 4: could not get there.
Speaker 3: But he did have three carries for seventeen yards. My
Speaker 3: question was more no, why to me? Yeah, exactly, But
Speaker 3: my question was more why was the timing weird for
Speaker 3: everybody else when they decided to get him in Because
Speaker 3: we've been talking all week about the possibility of a package.
Speaker 3: My thought is it's a critical down. My thought is
Speaker 3: you're in the red zone. My thought is, like, there
Speaker 3: are moments in the game where it makes sense to
Speaker 3: trick it up a little bit starting a series, bringing
Speaker 3: him in for two plays where one of them he runs,
Speaker 3: which okay, great, and the other one he hands the
Speaker 3: ball off. Felt a little weird to me.
Speaker 4: What do you guys think you got anything?
Speaker 7: Embar just random that just okay, you know, things just
Speaker 7: come out of my mouth sometimes be careful. Well, it's
Speaker 7: just one of those things that you just say, nothing
Speaker 7: is working. Let me just throw him in there and
Speaker 7: see if it were like it just goes to me,
Speaker 7: it just illustrates the how do you say when you're
Speaker 7: not prepared, the lack of preparation, the lack.
Speaker 2: Of you knowing your team and.
Speaker 7: What your strengths and weaknesses are, like that just is
Speaker 7: just you trying to make something out of nothing, but
Speaker 7: without a plan, just hoping that something will work out.
Speaker 7: So it's just to me, just illustrate its lack of
Speaker 7: preparation there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it's it's difficult because you were
Speaker 4: behind and maybe the opportunity. Now, let's be honest, so too,
Speaker 4: we've seen Trey Lance down in the red zone and
Speaker 4: training camp, and we've seen him in preseason games and stuff,
Speaker 4: and it hasn't always been successful. Maybe where maybe where
Speaker 4: the opportunity to put Trey Lance in there is once
Speaker 4: you've got the ball down there, you know, the Zeke
Speaker 4: fumble that maybe that would have been the opportunity, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's let's see how well they really defend the read
Speaker 4: option here. You know, let's see if they can. You know,
Speaker 4: you're throwing something different. You're thinking, oh, it's Cooper, gonna
Speaker 4: be Cooper Rush. We're going to put you know, we
Speaker 4: have to defend the pass. All of a sudden, you
Speaker 4: throw a her ball at him and you say, Trey Lance.
Speaker 4: Now it's the thread of he's going to ride it,
Speaker 4: you're gonna crash, and now he's gonna walk in. That's
Speaker 4: where I would have tried to do something with Trey Lance,
Speaker 4: just maybe. But it might also be where they're thinking, well,
Speaker 4: we've seen not great things. I mean, the Vegas game
Speaker 4: was one of his better games when it came to
Speaker 4: dealing with that. It looked like it was a much
Speaker 4: more improved player than it was against the Rams, which
Speaker 4: again another preseason game. But if you're in your mind,
Speaker 4: you're thinking, God, could he make a mistake down here? Well,
Speaker 4: if you knew that Zeke was going to fumble the ball,
Speaker 4: you would have probably just said, well, just go and
Speaker 4: play Trey Lance and let's see what see what happens.
Speaker 4: I think you have to kind of find ways two
Speaker 4: a way to have used him in certain situations where
Speaker 4: it made it like, okay, let's put the thread of it.
Speaker 4: It's a third and two where it's a you know,
Speaker 4: you never really got in these situations. Seemed like there
Speaker 4: were a lot of long yard situations yesterday. So I
Speaker 4: would have kind of just tried to find spots where
Speaker 4: it made sense to maybe make the Eagles have to
Speaker 4: defend the run and the pass right and instead of
Speaker 4: just putting him in. But to me, now, I'm interested
Speaker 4: in playing him the rest of the way. And I'm
Speaker 4: interested in playing him the rest of the way and
Speaker 4: then trying to run a college offense. Make people have
Speaker 4: to prepare for the read option, make people have to,
Speaker 4: you know, to do some things. You know, with his
Speaker 4: running him that design run, he had direct snap drop back,
Speaker 4: you know, direct snap drop back, boom, eleven yards. All right,
Speaker 4: here we go. That's design runs. Those are good plays,
Speaker 4: you know, those are I think those are what we
Speaker 4: need to see going forward with Cooper Rush. I I
Speaker 4: just I just the upside of it there, I don't
Speaker 4: see it. I would rather give me more options, more
Speaker 4: elements to maybe moving the football. And that's why I
Speaker 4: think I would play.
Speaker 2: Trailer because I feel like we know what Cooper Rush is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he and he was an that that I didn't
Speaker 4: recognize that guy yesterday though, But again I.
Speaker 7: Think some of it attributes to the offense in general
Speaker 7: being so often what he had then and you know
Speaker 7: that was very different from that year when he was
Speaker 7: being the backup during Dax's injury. But with Trey Lance,
Speaker 7: there is a whole unknown yet that we have. We're
Speaker 7: still we still have quite a few question marks around
Speaker 7: him and hoping to see maybe at some point it
Speaker 7: starts clicking. Because he does have an arm like he
Speaker 7: he can make he can throw some really good passes,
Speaker 7: but it's just so inconsistent. And then you add into
Speaker 7: the mix his ability to run. That's another thing that
Speaker 7: I thought there was a lack of usage yesterday. What
Speaker 7: I would have liked to see more intention behind it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the way the way to maybe beat Philadelphia yesterday
Speaker 4: was running the football. And if you could have done
Speaker 4: it with Trey Lance and then done it with Rico
Speaker 4: Daddle you know, and maybe you've done it with some
Speaker 4: jet sweeps with Turpin or whoever else that might have
Speaker 4: been the way. Maybe it's not a thirty you know,
Speaker 4: maybe it's not a thirty four to six game. Maybe
Speaker 4: it's a twenty one sixteen game or twenty four to sixty.
Speaker 4: It's not a you know, something that looks because the
Speaker 4: three and outs just kept killing the defense every time
Speaker 4: that they went three and out. You know, I mean,
Speaker 4: here's McCarthy, they get the interception with Digs and they
Speaker 4: go three and out and you're just like, you just
Speaker 4: put your defense back out there after making a great stop.
Speaker 4: You don't even give them time to get a cup
Speaker 4: of gatorade and catch their breath. You put them right
Speaker 4: back out there again. And that's the unfortunate thing about
Speaker 4: it is needed. They needed balance, and because we interviewed
Speaker 4: Tracy Wolfson from CBS before the game, and you know,
Speaker 4: she talks to the coaches and stuff, and that's the
Speaker 4: one thing they're saying, Hey, we have to have some balance.
Speaker 4: These losses they just have no balance.
Speaker 3: And I mean, let's be honest too, Like I think
Speaker 3: the probably because the team has played so poorly. I
Speaker 3: think one of the major things about yesterday that really
Speaker 3: hasn't been talked about, but to me is probably the
Speaker 3: biggest thing and why they lost is five turnovers. Yea,
Speaker 3: like unless you're yeah, unless your a Lion's from last
Speaker 3: night when that had figured out a way to get
Speaker 3: a win on the road, Like you you have five
Speaker 3: turnovers in a game and you lose the turnover battle
Speaker 3: five to one, like the likelihood of you winning unless
Speaker 3: you're just a really really good team, which Dallas has
Speaker 3: not proven to be this year. Like that's that's the
Speaker 3: story of the game. I mean that that defense just
Speaker 3: got to put into too many bad situations for them
Speaker 3: to continue to hold. And they were playing really well,
Speaker 3: but when you're getting the ball, when the other team
Speaker 3: is getting the ball on your twenty, like it's just like,
Speaker 3: come on, there's not much.
Speaker 6: You can do with that.
Speaker 7: And that's the upsetting part. When you see your own
Speaker 7: defense finally doing something getting the ball back for you
Speaker 7: and you're still unable to do anything.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's exhausting. I can only imagine how
Speaker 2: they felt.
Speaker 4: That after that interception that they got. They know, just
Speaker 4: get him two first downs, get you kill. Kill. About
Speaker 4: five minutes off the clock, you know, six minutes off
Speaker 4: the clock if you can and give the defensive chance
Speaker 4: to regroup, you know, they but I will say is defensively,
Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer did some things yesterday that I was like
Speaker 4: I said early in the opening that I liked with
Speaker 4: the blitz packages and I liked with him getting over
Speaker 4: shown involved in they and they think so going forward,
Speaker 4: that to me is a positive thing. Offensively, I can't
Speaker 4: really think of anything other than the fact that Austome
Speaker 4: Richard's on a probably on a spot start, played really
Speaker 4: really well for at left tackle.
Speaker 3: Speaking of overshowing, obviously he had a really great game
Speaker 3: that we don't know what the injury is. It sounds
Speaker 3: like it's not that serious.
Speaker 4: He is the game. In the post, he sounded like
Speaker 4: he was ready to be ready to play.
Speaker 3: He did come back in the game, he said. I
Speaker 3: think it sounded more like they precautionary, precautionary thing to
Speaker 3: kind of just pull him for the fourth quarter, because
Speaker 3: at that point they're like, it's not going to change anything,
Speaker 3: but just looking at him and how they use him, Like,
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts about him for the rest of
Speaker 3: the year, knowing that, like, how do you how do
Speaker 3: you feel about a player like him who's relatively young.
Speaker 4: He's a rookie.
Speaker 3: Playing really well, right, playing really well, but you also
Speaker 3: like you're putting him out there in games where you
Speaker 3: know you're you're using him and using in a lot
Speaker 3: of different ways. How do you worry at all about
Speaker 3: his his health going down the street?
Speaker 4: He plays nine hundred miles an hour. Matter of fact,
Speaker 4: he there was a pass play that the one ball
Speaker 4: on a third down that went to Berkley in the flat,
Speaker 4: and and and then and Kendricks was kind of hesitating.
Speaker 4: Man thirteen comes flying from the middle of the field
Speaker 4: and he misses the tackle and he blows up Kendricks.
Speaker 4: I mean, Kendricks is like standing and just got hit
Speaker 4: by a car, you know, goes flying back. That's just
Speaker 4: how this kid plays you you. You know, Mike even
Speaker 4: talked about it after the game. How the energy that
Speaker 4: he plays with, the passion that he plays with. You know,
Speaker 4: that's just he's just a great example of what this
Speaker 4: defense could be, you know, with him and Micah. You know,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you Carl Lawson played well again for you today.
Speaker 4: So you know, you've got some guys that are really
Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the ball. That gave some
Speaker 4: great effort and unfortunately didn't work out for him. But
Speaker 4: the thing with overshown, he plays so hard that there's
Speaker 4: probably going to be games where he's sitting on the
Speaker 4: field and you know, doctor Cooper and everybody in Britt
Speaker 4: Brown and Jim Mauer running out to make sure he's okay,
Speaker 4: and then he's going to pop up. You know, that's
Speaker 4: just how he plays. He's one of those types of guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, very very aggressive and one of the few bright
Speaker 7: spots on the team right now. That gives gets you
Speaker 7: excited because the great thing about him is him being
Speaker 7: out all year last year, then coming back from the injury.
Speaker 7: Since the moment he got back on the field, from
Speaker 7: the beginning of the season, he's been impactful and he
Speaker 7: the good thing. He's had bad moments too, we've seen that,
Speaker 7: but again, his arrow keeps trending upwards. Everything since week
Speaker 7: one till now, you keep seeing him improve and improve
Speaker 7: and improve.
Speaker 2: So that's just very very exciting to see that.
Speaker 7: And then now, like we talked about at the beginning,
Speaker 7: with the addition of Mikey Parsons coming back and just
Speaker 7: seeing what that looked like with those packages and seeing
Speaker 7: how he can now start to shine in a different
Speaker 7: way in this defense and create those pressures. It's just
Speaker 7: it's amazing and it does worry me. I mean when
Speaker 7: he was down there, I was typing something and I
Speaker 7: asked you there on my way, who's down he said overs.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, oh my god. My heart stopped for
Speaker 2: a moment there.
Speaker 7: So it's one of those things that at this point, yes,
Speaker 7: you worried completely because he's so aggressive in the way
Speaker 7: that he plays, and now, based on how the season
Speaker 7: is trending, you know it is most likely not gonna
Speaker 7: happen this year, so you don't want to.
Speaker 2: Make him be out there.
Speaker 7: But then this is what they pay you for to
Speaker 7: You know, you're you're gonna have to play. You gotta
Speaker 7: get in there and keep playing.
Speaker 2: So it's just you. You're just gonna have to help it.
Speaker 7: By the way, Nick is not here today, but I
Speaker 7: did see someone Remember when Nick decided to open his
Speaker 7: mouth saying that over shown is the one that hasn't
Speaker 7: gotten heard yet.
Speaker 2: Remember the moment that he jinx it. Someone twitted on
Speaker 2: me saying that's a niggas.
Speaker 7: So if if something ever happens, or we'll see if
Speaker 7: he seems to be okay.
Speaker 4: This is another good game too from Osa.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's two in a row where.
Speaker 3: He well yeah, absolutely, all right. We appreciate you guys going.
Speaker 3: So we're back tomorrow. We'll get a bigger picture. Look, man,
Speaker 3: talking about this NFC East is getting interesting. Thursday night
Speaker 3: got a big NFC East matchup between the Commanders and
Speaker 3: the Eagles. That'll be I think that'll be for first
Speaker 3: place in the division.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Philly is a half game up right now. Washington's
Speaker 4: not had their buy yet.
Speaker 3: Yep. All right, but uh, but we'll talk about a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff tomorrow. We'll have a lot of different topics.
Speaker 3: We'll hit some player evaluation. There are a couple of
Speaker 3: players I want to talk about that came out of
Speaker 3: this game and how they performed in this game. We'll
Speaker 3: do that tomorrow too. Then for Brian brodus inn Ambergarci,
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