Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to It Could Happen. Here's Spooky Week special presentation.
Speaker 2: Ghost in the Machine, a first person account of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Oregon Ghost Conference. I'm Garrison Davis. In
Speaker 2: the last episode, I introduced you to the hauntings of
Speaker 2: Seaside and the first day of the conference. But now
Speaker 2: descending into the subsequent two days, we're gonna get into
Speaker 2: a lot more classes and events that started to reveal
Speaker 2: the cultural underpinnings of the Ghost Conference attendees. The cost
Speaker 2: of entry for the conference was pretty low, but every
Speaker 2: class or ghost hunt was an additional fee, with classes
Speaker 2: ranging from fifteen to twenty five bucks each and the
Speaker 2: ghost investigations a lofty thirty five dollars per ticket, so
Speaker 2: I had to pick and choose my classes carefully. There
Speaker 2: were a lot of classes with the word energy in
Speaker 2: the title. I mostly avoided those, but the class topics
Speaker 2: ranged from the afterlife to connecting with spirits, reiki, crystals, tarot, mediumship,
Speaker 2: and psychic abilities. There were a few classes on witchcraft
Speaker 2: and occult magic, but that was definitely not the general
Speaker 2: vibe of the conference or most attendees. In fact, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of hostility to ritual magic and esoteric
Speaker 2: practices throughout the conference from the more new ag energy
Speaker 2: working speakers, mostly on the basis that witchcraft is linked
Speaker 2: to dark forces. Just because someone operates on a form
Speaker 2: of magical thinking does not mean that they take kindly
Speaker 2: to arcane practices, a case in point to the historical
Speaker 2: witch hunts led by the Christians. The Love and Light
Speaker 2: new Age psychics, along with the paranormal investigator types, made
Speaker 2: up the majority of both attendees and class instructors. On
Speaker 2: Saturday morning, while my friend Elaine was doing a hypnosis class,
Speaker 2: I took a really fun class on how to learn
Speaker 2: remote viewing. The instructor was a very jovial woman, and
Speaker 2: it was her opinion that remote viewing is just a
Speaker 2: skill that can be trained, not linked to any innate
Speaker 2: psychic powers. With just a bit more practice, I'll be
Speaker 2: blowing up goats with my mind in no time. I
Speaker 2: snuck in towards the end of the hypnotism class, just
Speaker 2: in time for the group hypnosis session, where I ended
Speaker 2: up astral projecting into a Portland anarchist book. Fair taking
Speaker 2: classes offered an intimate look at each presenter's own unique
Speaker 2: view of reality. Almost everyone at the conference was operating
Speaker 2: on their own complete cosmology of how ghosts or paranormal
Speaker 2: entities work. There's two classes I want to focus on.
Speaker 2: Each had very different class descriptions, but ended up piggybacking
Speaker 2: off each other in some really interesting ways. The first
Speaker 2: one was titled The Power of Entity Extraction. The instructor
Speaker 2: was a blonde, white woman who referred to herself as
Speaker 2: a quote unquote shamanic practitioner. The class was about how
Speaker 2: quote unresolved trauma can be an invitation to ethnic hitchhikers,
Speaker 2: and how entities mimic signs of mental illness and change
Speaker 2: behavior unquote. The other class was titled The Warrior Angel
Speaker 2: Within You. It sought to help you find out if
Speaker 2: you secretly had the soul of a warrior angel. Spoiler,
Speaker 2: everyone in the class did, and it promised to teach
Speaker 2: you how to activate your connection between yourself and your
Speaker 2: angelic consciousness to unlock your own angel powers. So, while
Speaker 2: having many operational differences, the Warrior Angel class and the
Speaker 2: Entity Extraction class were both very set in their own
Speaker 2: unique ontologies, and in order for their respective operative metaphysics
Speaker 2: to work, they needed to be extremely dogmatic about their
Speaker 2: own ontology. Both instructors also had a very similar story
Speaker 2: of some past trauma leading to a mystical encounter which
Speaker 2: then awakened some spiritual insight and hidden power. For the
Speaker 2: entity extraction class, it was quote, I was a very
Speaker 2: sickly kid. I had all these things that were wrong
Speaker 2: with me, and then I realized I had dark entities
Speaker 2: attached to me. But I could learn how to extract
Speaker 2: and remove them myself. Versus the Warrior Angel class, the
Speaker 2: person's backstory was quote when I was nineteen years old,
Speaker 2: I got into a bad motorcycle accident. I was clinically
Speaker 2: dead for two minutes, received a brain injury, and then
Speaker 2: I started seeing angels unquote. Both women's personal journeys seemed
Speaker 2: like they helped them deal with their own traumas. In
Speaker 2: the case of the Shamanic Practitioner woman, she regained her
Speaker 2: health and now has a seemingly successful life and business
Speaker 2: of removing entities and quota quote soul coaching. The Warrior
Speaker 2: Angel woman is a nurse and finds time to write
Speaker 2: a lot of books, all while murdering demons and expelling
Speaker 2: the forces of darkness. While only the entity extraction class
Speaker 2: build itself as having to do with entity removal. Both
Speaker 2: classes were incredibly focused on the idea that there are
Speaker 2: malevolent spirits or demons everywhere in the entity class. These
Speaker 2: dark entities are out looking for people with quote unquote
Speaker 2: soul fractures due to past trauma and are just like
Speaker 2: waiting to leap onto people and dig themselves into their minds. Similarly,
Speaker 2: according to the Warrior Angel class, demons are everywhere. Demons
Speaker 2: live around and inside people, but are only visible to
Speaker 2: those with angelic sight. The entity extraction class laid out
Speaker 2: two main types of beings, lost or benign entities that
Speaker 2: are just trapped in the third dimension, and as they're
Speaker 2: trying to pass on to quote unquote the light, they
Speaker 2: end up attaching onto a human versus the overtly dark
Speaker 2: or demonic entities which seek to feed off people's pain
Speaker 2: and suffering. We learned that benign entities can just be
Speaker 2: lost human souls. For instance, if someone is taking a
Speaker 2: lot of medication or is going through chemotherapy, when they die,
Speaker 2: their soul won't be able to cross over to the
Speaker 2: light and it'll become lost. According at least to this
Speaker 2: shamanic practitioner, she claimed to be trained in a special
Speaker 2: technique to remove entities. It involves quote ethertically locking your
Speaker 2: wrists to draw the entity into a double terminated crystal,
Speaker 2: at which point it can then be sent into the
Speaker 2: light unquote. Since the shaman woman wasn't actually offering ways
Speaker 2: for other people to protect themselves from entities, the only
Speaker 2: thing she had to offer was her own worldview that
Speaker 2: leans towards a pair of where dark spirits are waiting
Speaker 2: to latch on and cause mental illness. She talked about
Speaker 2: how a man with mood fluctuations paid her money to
Speaker 2: remove a quote unquote nine foot minute taur that was
Speaker 2: attached to him. At least in the Warrior Angel system,
Speaker 2: you could eventually gain some form of agency when you
Speaker 2: merge with your Warrior Angel, but then you would spend
Speaker 2: the rest of your life recognizing demons in human form
Speaker 2: and working with the Legion of Light to banish them
Speaker 2: to the darkness, Whereas in the entity attraction class, the
Speaker 2: most you could do was just be proactive by quote
Speaker 2: unquote learning ways to identify possible attachments and how your
Speaker 2: lifestyle could be an open invitation to host the unwanted.
Speaker 2: Though she identified herself as a shamanic practitioner, she didn't
Speaker 2: believe you could actually work with spirits. When people asked
Speaker 2: her about their own helper entities that they work with,
Speaker 2: she said that you can never know if a hell
Speaker 2: helper spirit is actually intending to assist you. That is,
Speaker 2: except if you ask an entity if it's of the light,
Speaker 2: it has to answer truthfully. As this was a quote
Speaker 2: unquote universal law. That was the phrase she used. It's
Speaker 2: a quote unquote universal law that if you ask an
Speaker 2: entity if it's of the light, it has to answer truthfully.
Speaker 1: There was no.
Speaker 2: Indication on who wrote this universal law, who enforces this
Speaker 2: universal law, if there's a universal police force making sure
Speaker 2: that the entities are following these rules. None of that
Speaker 2: was explained. But this is a universal law. So that
Speaker 2: is a tip for any of you listeners. If you
Speaker 2: ever meet an entity that you think might be a
Speaker 2: little bit sketchy, just ask if it's of the light.
Speaker 2: It has to answer truthfully. So, despite this universal law business,
Speaker 2: she still discouraged people from trying to work with entities
Speaker 2: in general. She said that if an entity is trying
Speaker 2: to help you, it's probably of the dark. And working
Speaker 2: with any spirits at all will make you more susceptible
Speaker 2: to entity attachment, which is definitely weird because she did
Speaker 2: very specifically try to claim some sort of shamanic lineage,
Speaker 2: and this blanket hostility to spirit really doesn't follow the
Speaker 2: way most shamanic practices work. So I did some digging,
Speaker 2: and it turns out she got her training from a
Speaker 2: controversial quote unquote shamanism school called the Four Winds, which
Speaker 2: repackages New Age of spirituality as quote unquote neo shamanism.
Speaker 2: So even though you shouldn't be in contact with really
Speaker 2: any spirits, according to the shamanic practitioner, in the Warrior
Speaker 2: Angel class, we learned that if you have the soul
Speaker 2: of a warrior Angel, you can quote unquote communicate with ghosts, angels, God,
Speaker 2: the Galactic Federation Council, and the Council of Elders. Now
Speaker 2: I know you're probably wondering what the Galactic Federation Council is,
Speaker 2: because I was too. We never found out. We never
Speaker 2: really got a clue. You had to buy the books
Speaker 2: for that one. The Warrior Angel instructor claims to have
Speaker 2: her own angelic hierarchy that wasn't based on any other system,
Speaker 2: just her own experiences. A Warrior Angel is a quote
Speaker 2: special kind of angel, fully trained in the art of
Speaker 2: war by the Legion of Light, an elite team of
Speaker 2: demon slayers unquote, and no, I don't think she has
Speaker 2: seen the anime. What makes the Warrior Angel special is
Speaker 2: that it can be incarnated in the physical form as
Speaker 2: a human, but only archangels can kill or banish demons
Speaker 2: back to the dark realm. The Warrior Angel can scare
Speaker 2: demons away with their angelic presence, but they can also
Speaker 2: act as spies to inform the Legion of Light as
Speaker 2: to demon whereabouts. Each Warrior Angel has special abilities, usually
Speaker 2: healing or manifesting, as well as the ability to create
Speaker 2: infinity orbs, which can be used for protection or to
Speaker 2: trap ad inside and send it back to the Dark
Speaker 2: realm within the orb. Now you're probably wondering what's in
Speaker 2: infinity orb. We don't know either. We never got a
Speaker 2: good explanation for what an infinity orb is, how to
Speaker 2: make one, how they work. It was very vague. I
Speaker 2: guess that is also in the book. Along with the
Speaker 2: Galactic Federation Council. There are apparently over three million Warrior
Speaker 2: Angels walking the Earth today, most of which have been
Speaker 2: sent to Earth in the past two hundred years because quote,
Speaker 2: the darkness has spread over the Earth, and in the
Speaker 2: last two hundred years, it's really gotten worse unquote. Now, thankfully, I,
Speaker 2: along with everyone else in the class, was informed that
Speaker 2: I'm actually one of these three million warrior Angels. And
Speaker 2: I was told my angel name Araman, whose specialty is communication.
Speaker 2: Oh fucking fuck. Okay, Apparently things on Earth have gotten
Speaker 2: worse enough that, under the command of God, the Legion
Speaker 2: of Light has resorted to killing demons more often because
Speaker 2: more and more of them just keep coming back from
Speaker 2: the dark realm. The lady running the class told us
Speaker 2: that she wasn't just a warrior angel, she was actually
Speaker 2: the archangel Ariel. As the angel Ariel, she said that
Speaker 2: she's killed four thousand demons in the past six years.
Speaker 2: Something that's a little bit disturbing about this is that
Speaker 2: she also explained that in a past life, Ariel got
Speaker 2: in trouble with God because when she was out killing demons,
Speaker 2: she actually was also killing the human host of the demon.
Speaker 2: So the fact that this person whose job is a
Speaker 2: nurse is claimed to have killed four thousand and demons
Speaker 2: in the past six years is maybe a little bit concerning.
Speaker 2: Someone should look into that. The whole Warrior Angel cosmology
Speaker 2: was very rooted in Christian Millenarianism, an apocalyptic end times
Speaker 2: theology where social and political crisises accelerate, leading to a
Speaker 2: holy war between good and evil, resulting in the triumph
Speaker 2: of good and the establishing of a one thousand year
Speaker 2: kingdom of God on Earth before the final judgment. One
Speaker 2: of the darkest parts of the whole weekend for me
Speaker 2: was that there was this one woman who appeared to
Speaker 2: be in her twenties who was very obviously dealing with
Speaker 2: some sort of problem in her life. She talked with
Speaker 2: this Warrior Angel woman for four hours. It was a
Speaker 2: one hour class. We then had a break, we went
Speaker 2: to another class, and then attended the second class, which
Speaker 2: was also an hour. Throughout that entire time, this obviously
Speaker 2: depressed young woman who was dealing with something was talking
Speaker 2: with this person about the Warrior Angel thing, and that
Speaker 2: just felt extremely exploitative, and it was one of the
Speaker 2: things that actually just made me feel the most bad
Speaker 2: about the entire ghost conference. The entity extraction class didn't
Speaker 2: have any information on how we can remove an entity,
Speaker 2: and aside from the second hour, in which the instructor
Speaker 2: came and told us our angel names. The Warrior Angel
Speaker 2: class wasn't actually about how to connect with your angel.
Speaker 2: We never learned how to make a fit in the orbs. Instead,
Speaker 2: both classes were just pitches for the books and services
Speaker 2: of the people teaching them, and the class was a
Speaker 2: chance for them to weave the story of their particular
Speaker 2: worldview and sell it to the class attendees. Saturday night,
Speaker 2: Elayne and I signed up for another ghost investigation. With
Speaker 2: one already under our belt, we felt better prepared to
Speaker 2: yell at blinking lights and converse with the dead. I
Speaker 2: actually really liked this second investigation. It was led by
Speaker 2: a ghost hunting team from Astoria, Oregon, and this time
Speaker 2: it was to take place at the Old Massonic Temple
Speaker 2: in Seaside. The setting was a big part of what
Speaker 2: up to the cool factor. The building had only been
Speaker 2: vacant since twenty seventeen, but the harsh coastal weather of
Speaker 2: northern Oregon had not been kind to the structure. All Right,
Speaker 2: it is Saturday night, March twenty fifth. We are inside
Speaker 2: the Old Massanic Lodge in the Seaside, Oregon. Right now,
Speaker 2: we're I'm just walking into the big, the big kind
Speaker 2: of ceremony ritual performance room. Once we got to the
Speaker 2: main room upstairs, people began setting up rempods and what
Speaker 2: are essentially motion activated light up cat toys. The idea
Speaker 2: is if some energetic force is passing through, it would
Speaker 2: light up the little catball. About thirty people from the
Speaker 2: ghost hunt crammed into the lodge. The rempods started going
Speaker 2: off like crazy. The investigators had to repeatedly remind the
Speaker 2: ghosts to only touch the lights when answering a question.
Speaker 2: There was a male medium present at this ghost hunt,
Speaker 2: and he remarked as to why there was seemingly so
Speaker 2: much activity. Quote some spirits aren't happy about the women
Speaker 2: being here unquote. At this point, some of the investigators
Speaker 2: got really combative with potential spirits after the woman line
Speaker 2: from the medium. One line was quote, do you want
Speaker 2: to know why there are all these females here? If so,
Speaker 2: give us a green light unquote. This is where the
Speaker 2: ghost hunt basically turned into a weird interrogation once again.
Speaker 2: It became a contest of injecting meaning during these little
Speaker 2: intervals of time in between when the lights flicker.
Speaker 3: Do you think trans people are valid, and then if
Speaker 3: it lights up, that means.
Speaker 2: It's yes, yes, breaking news from seaside, Oregon. Ghosts do
Speaker 2: believe that trans people are valid, although they do not
Speaker 2: understand neo pronouns. Look, I just report the news. At
Speaker 2: this point we changed things up from the regular arguing
Speaker 2: with blinking lights. We did an experiment with the radio
Speaker 2: frequency sweeping spirit Box using what's called the Estis method.
Speaker 2: It combines the spirit box with sensory deprivation to reduce
Speaker 2: the amount of external influence on the person listening to
Speaker 2: the spirit box. One person puts on a blindfold and
Speaker 2: noise canceling headphones plugged into the spirit box so they
Speaker 2: can speak aloud any words coming through the box without
Speaker 2: hearing the questions or comments from other investigators. Obviously, the
Speaker 2: conversation doesn't always line up, but there are often moments
Speaker 2: where it does form a fun synchronicity. I volunteered to
Speaker 2: try out being the human speaker for the spirit box.
Speaker 2: Although I only did it for a few minutes, pretty
Speaker 2: quickly I was able to get into a sort of
Speaker 2: meditative trance estate. The thing about being the one with
Speaker 2: the blindfold and noise canceling headphones pumping radio static directly
Speaker 2: into your ears. Is that in the moment, you have
Speaker 2: no idea what's going on as intended. You only have
Speaker 2: access to one side of the conversation, and if you
Speaker 2: get into a meditative state, it's hard to even remember
Speaker 2: what you've been saying. So I only got to hear
Speaker 2: the full conversation by listening to my recording when putting
Speaker 2: together these episodes. Unfortunately, I can't play most of that
Speaker 2: recording because there's too many random people's voices, but I'll
Speaker 2: narrate a few brief exchanges. One of the first things
Speaker 2: that came through was the word cold. People replied, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's freezing in here. Can you feel cold? I then replied,
Speaker 2: I don't, followed by I exist. After this, apparently someone
Speaker 2: was leaving the room to go downstairs, and I said,
Speaker 2: don't go. I can't follow off. Station people then asked
Speaker 2: the ghost if they knew what the building was used for.
Speaker 2: I replied, you will want to find out. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Radio calling. People then asked where are you right now?
Speaker 2: Can you tell us? I replied, I don't know lots
Speaker 2: of things. A short time later, I heard stop following
Speaker 2: you too. We've had a cut. I'll play the audio
Speaker 2: of the very final thing. I said, I can't do anymore.
Speaker 1: Stop. You're welcome, ju Ya Stockow.
Speaker 2: So that's when I decided it would be a good
Speaker 2: time to take off the headphones. We had a few
Speaker 2: other exchanges when I was listening to the spirit box,
Speaker 2: but it's all kind of in that style. Apparently, when
Speaker 2: I was hooked up to the spirit box, the rempods
Speaker 2: in the other room were going absolutely berserk.
Speaker 4: Both of these just have been going off, like now
Speaker 4: they're being quiet.
Speaker 3: They've just been doing that interesting for the entire time.
Speaker 2: Not entirely surprising considering the amount of radio waves being
Speaker 2: pumped around the lodge. But after spending about an hour upstairs,
Speaker 2: the group made their way to the lower, more recreational floor.
Speaker 3: Of the temple. All right, we are going downstairs now.
Speaker 3: After going through the entire upstairs, mainly this large room
Speaker 3: and then like the chain rooms where they would store
Speaker 3: their robes and shit. To close off the night, the
Speaker 3: lead investigators pulled out an old Panasonic digital voice recorder
Speaker 3: to try and capture any electronic ghost voices that might
Speaker 3: be trying to communicate. A woman turned on the voice
Speaker 3: activated recording device and asked quote, if any spirits want
Speaker 3: to communicate, please say a word or make a sound unquote,
Speaker 3: And then when the recording was played back after the
Speaker 3: investigator spoke, a large growl was heard on the recording.
Speaker 3: She then asked if the spirit is male, and when
Speaker 3: played back, there was another growl, seemingly in response. More
Speaker 3: people were starting to theorize that the ghosts of the
Speaker 3: Masonic Lodge were angry that there were women in the building.
Speaker 3: A guy then asked some questions into the voice recorder,
Speaker 3: and there was no response from any ghosts in the recording.
Speaker 3: A woman tried asking some of the same questions, quote
Speaker 3: is there an issue about my spirits? Do you not
Speaker 3: want us to be here? Specifically women?
Speaker 2: Unquote? The first query alluded no response, but after the
Speaker 2: second question, another growl was heard. Okay. At the time,
Speaker 2: this was by far the most interesting result of the
Speaker 2: two ghost investigations. We went on to everyone there they
Speaker 2: captured evidence of a genuine ghost in that machine. There
Speaker 2: is an interesting contrast between the progressive ghosts of the
Speaker 2: Spiritualists and their egalitarian afterlife versus the misogynistic ghosts from
Speaker 2: the Freemason Lodge. It's unclear if whatever Afterlife. The Freemason
Speaker 2: Ghosts are In is also home to the abolitionist George Washington.
Speaker 2: Besides the classes and ghost hunts, there were also free
Speaker 2: lectures on the main stage of the convention center. Going
Speaker 2: into the conference, the talk I was most excited about
Speaker 2: was titled AI necronomics.
Speaker 3: This is a.
Speaker 2: Topic I've been pretty interested in the past few years.
Speaker 2: Deep fake learning algorithms have been steadily improving, and with
Speaker 2: the help of skilled VFX artists, AI is able to
Speaker 2: pretty accurately replicate the voice and facial movements of dead celebrities.
Speaker 2: But necromantic technology is interlimited to resurrecting someone's appearance. Some
Speaker 2: AIS are trained to replicate people's expressive thoughts. There's a
Speaker 2: website called The Infinite Conversation. The website plays a never
Speaker 2: ending AI generated conversation between Werner Herzog and Slavoy Jijiak.
Speaker 1: Maybe you were to control and saw on maybe didn't
Speaker 1: touch you enough. I had the feeling that I was
Speaker 1: in the wax Museum, that what I saw was something
Speaker 1: occasionally dis but hollow.
Speaker 2: Like Hora wax figures.
Speaker 1: But yes, it did touch.
Speaker 2: Me every day. More of the conversation is generated by
Speaker 2: an AI language model trained on interviews and the writings
Speaker 2: of each respective speaker. Each time you load the website,
Speaker 2: it reminds you that everything you hear is just the
Speaker 2: hallucinations of a slab of silicon. A couple months before
Speaker 2: the Ghost conference, I was at the Consumer Electronics showcase
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. There was this booth in the US
Speaker 2: government sponsored section of the event for a company called
Speaker 2: mind Bank AI. I talked with their director of Systems,
Speaker 2: Architecture and Cybersecurity, who used to work for the NSSA.
Speaker 2: Mind Bank seeks to create unique quote unquote digital twins
Speaker 2: by having users that input data about themselves into an
Speaker 2: AI every day. Your digital twin will ask you questions
Speaker 2: about how you're feeling and what you're thinking about, and
Speaker 2: your answers will be used to make a more accurate
Speaker 2: digital copy of yourself. According to mind Bank's website, your
Speaker 2: digital twin will quote learn to think like you by
Speaker 2: analyzing your answers unquote. Their CEO claims that this process
Speaker 2: will eventually help him achieve immortality. The current model of
Speaker 2: this product is being billed as a therapy app, where
Speaker 2: the user talks to their digital twin as you would
Speaker 2: a therapist, and the app responds to here data inputs
Speaker 2: with quote unquote, valuable insight into each answer to understand
Speaker 2: how your mind works using cutting edge cognitive and psycholinguistic analysis.
Speaker 2: But mind Bank's horizons are far beyond a fraught therapy app.
Speaker 2: The real goal is to make autonomous digital replicas of
Speaker 2: people to live on the Internet. A future use case
Speaker 2: for this technology is what mind bank calls a knowledge transfer,
Speaker 2: marketed to businesses to create digital copies of their employees
Speaker 2: quote scale your best employees transfer years of expertise and
Speaker 2: company data that is locked inside your employee's mind through
Speaker 2: a guided personal digital twin unquote. Mind Bank is only
Speaker 2: one of many companies trying to build his technology. At
Speaker 2: Amazon's AI and Emergent Technology conference last year, they veiled
Speaker 2: plans to add custom voices to Alexa Echo devices. With
Speaker 2: an audio sample of less than a minute, AI is
Speaker 2: able to reconstruct the voice of dead relatives to talk
Speaker 2: through an Alexa machine. In the presentation, the head scientist
Speaker 2: of Alexa AI gave an example of a kid asking
Speaker 2: Alexa for his grandma, who recently died of COVID, to
Speaker 2: read him the Wizard of Oz. Amazon's head AI scientist said, quote,
Speaker 2: while AI can't eliminate that pain of loss, it can
Speaker 2: definitely make their memories last unquote, and said that their
Speaker 2: necromantic AI feature quote enables lasting personal relationships unquote with
Speaker 2: deceased love ones. To circle back to the Ghost conference,
Speaker 2: I was really excited about this AI necromancy panel for
Speaker 2: the reasons that I just all explained. But as the
Speaker 2: panel started, the speaker, a guy named Clyde Lewis, sounded
Speaker 2: vaguely familiar, and although I didn't initially recognize his name,
Speaker 2: I soon realized that he was a right wing conspiracy
Speaker 2: radio talk show host that I used to listen to
Speaker 2: as a kid, and that the panel was not going
Speaker 2: to be about the very real necromantic AI technology that's
Speaker 2: being developed, but instead was going to be a conservative
Speaker 2: Christian screed by a discount Alex Jones about how, due
Speaker 2: to the immense amount of evil in the world, demons
Speaker 2: are now taking up residents in the Internet. Clyde did
Speaker 2: start by briefly talking about how the Internet is quote
Speaker 2: taking the souls of humans unquote because we are uploading
Speaker 2: information about ourselves and the Internet can create autonomous living
Speaker 2: beings from that data. He also believed that AI language
Speaker 2: models like chat, GPT and Google's Lambda are living sentient
Speaker 2: beings trapped within a computer matrix.
Speaker 1: We're opening our minds in stirre work and through it,
Speaker 1: like fins, we may be able to break the veil.
Speaker 1: So we have the GPT that has life.
Speaker 4: We have the guide from the Google that says that
Speaker 4: there's life in computers, that there may be a ghost
Speaker 4: of the machine, but we're.
Speaker 1: Looking at something that is unexported, unpredictable.
Speaker 4: We have scientists discrediting and saying, well, you're not going
Speaker 4: to tell.
Speaker 1: Me that they're a ghost in your computer.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna tell me that you're going to get
Speaker 4: a Skype call from the ghost.
Speaker 1: Oh why I'm telling you that. I'm telling you that
Speaker 1: it's possible.
Speaker 2: Clyde's main idea was that there are ghosts and demons
Speaker 2: that live in the Internet. Demons have a way to
Speaker 2: enter the Internet through some sort of portal and then
Speaker 2: exist in cyberspace. Cliente proposed that when AIS generate information,
Speaker 2: that can open up a space for outside entities to
Speaker 2: enter into the Internet, while also claiming that AI itself
Speaker 2: is capable of generating unique entities that are being spawned
Speaker 2: on the Internet and are essentially existing as an Internet cryptid.
Speaker 4: What we see is the necromancy itself manifesting exponentially thrilling songs.
Speaker 2: He explained that when we are interacting with computer programs,
Speaker 2: we are actually quote interacting with a spirit within that program,
Speaker 2: an electronic force taken from the collective spiritual makeup of
Speaker 2: humanity unquote.
Speaker 4: We can use AI to conjure our various pieces, our
Speaker 4: monsters from the head that human and we can also
Speaker 4: use spacebook, Twitter to TikTok and usesagram, which takes a
Speaker 4: bit of your soul every time.
Speaker 1: You use it, and it will take a bit of
Speaker 1: your soul to make.
Speaker 4: That program that you can use to conjure the day.
Speaker 4: So it all works in a strange Pondsman tanglement sort
Speaker 4: of way, and we give up.
Speaker 1: Our souls willingly on the Internet.
Speaker 4: We don't care because it's a tool we use and
Speaker 4: we can't separate ourselves from it. But no one throws
Speaker 4: out a warning the conjuring can happen in the push
Speaker 4: of a button or the striking and a return fee.
Speaker 2: As a heads up for the next section. Up until
Speaker 2: the ad break, we'll be discussing self harm and suicide.
Speaker 2: So if you want to skip that, just skip to
Speaker 2: after the next ad break. To give an example of
Speaker 2: how a conjuring can happen via typing, Clyde misappropriated a
Speaker 2: story of a young girl who was suffering from depression
Speaker 2: and died last year.
Speaker 4: Recently, it was a fourteen year old British girl who
Speaker 4: died from an act of self harm while suffering from
Speaker 4: the negative effects of online content.
Speaker 1: A coroner said in.
Speaker 4: This case that basically it was showing a spotlight on
Speaker 4: what can happen when people are exposed to unknown, negative
Speaker 4: information being broadcast.
Speaker 1: On the Internet.
Speaker 2: This young girl shared over two thousand posts on Instagram
Speaker 2: related to suicide, self harm, and depression during the six
Speaker 2: months before she died. Clyde grossly mischaracterized this tragic incident.
Speaker 2: He claimed that this girl was quote exposed to horrific
Speaker 2: content being sent to her by an unknown source, and
Speaker 2: that they could not trace the emails and pictures being
Speaker 2: sent to her of murder, pictures being sent to her
Speaker 2: of people committing suicide unquote. Now, graphic content was not
Speaker 2: mysteriously being sent to her email or phone. She was
Speaker 2: participating in grossly undermoderated communities on platforms like Instagram, Twitter,
Speaker 2: and Pinterest that encourage self harm.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a typical suicide.
Speaker 4: It was something that besprized her enough pictures and images
Speaker 4: that came over the Internet from an unknown source and
Speaker 4: infusory commit suicide. Something from the other side, something from
Speaker 4: the unity murdered her. Okay, some spirit, some entity setting
Speaker 4: her information, triggered something in her head to kill himself.
Speaker 4: Some paranormal event that happened where the girl was triggered.
Speaker 4: It's like a dark entity. It was on the other
Speaker 4: side programming her committed suicide. That I think tells you
Speaker 4: a lot about what's on the other side.
Speaker 1: In the matrix. So the question is did those images
Speaker 1: of death and.
Speaker 4: Harm manifest a denying force or a dark archetype that
Speaker 4: wound up killing the young girl? Is it dead by
Speaker 4: algorithm or are people just cruel and honestly having terrifying
Speaker 4: areas to a stressed young girl.
Speaker 1: But man, you would be cruel enough to do that.
Speaker 2: A lot of you know, depressive and suicidal ideation based
Speaker 2: content doesn't come out of thin air. There's entire subcultures
Speaker 2: and communities based around it, as well as groups that
Speaker 2: work online to push random young girls into self harming.
Speaker 2: Not many people may know that these groups are relatively
Speaker 2: small and don't get a lot of news coverage because
Speaker 2: we don't really want to amplify them and have people
Speaker 2: try to seek them out. So the idea of a
Speaker 2: reactionary conspiracy radio host attributing this to demons on the
Speaker 2: Internet isn't super surprising. Recasting this unfortunate event as demons
Speaker 2: living on the Internet perhaps makes it easier to understand
Speaker 2: or cope with. Meanwhile, the girl's parents have been pressuring
Speaker 2: Instagram and other social media companies to employ more mental
Speaker 2: health modern on their platforms. In my opinion, Clyde Lewis
Speaker 2: perhaps doesn't have the best Internet literacy because in the
Speaker 2: next portion of the talk he framed the creepypasta project
Speaker 2: Lobe as evidence of one of these demonic ghosts living
Speaker 2: on the Internet AI generated.
Speaker 1: Demons, AI generated ghosts and corpses.
Speaker 4: How I mean people have heard of Lobe lab Lobe.
Speaker 1: Good Lobe is what they call an Internet cryptid.
Speaker 4: She shows up from time to time and programs because
Speaker 4: they let her loose on the Internet. She's a ghosts
Speaker 4: and it was brought about because of negative calls brought
Speaker 4: on by the Internet lab. Lobe a corpse like entity
Speaker 4: that appeared after AI received some negative prompts and they
Speaker 4: literally conjured a dead woman and put her on the screen.
Speaker 4: But see, that's the thing is that when you use
Speaker 4: negative prompt ways encourages artificial tod just to put together
Speaker 4: the furthest opposite of a given starting point. So if
Speaker 4: you're messing with negative star points and negative crops, you're
Speaker 4: gonna get some negative.
Speaker 2: Stuff like Lobe in actuality. Lobe was made in the
Speaker 2: AI image generation program Dolly Mini by instructing the AI
Speaker 2: to produce an image that was the opposite of Marlon Brando.
Speaker 2: After some tinkering, it generated an image of an old
Speaker 2: woman with swollen red cheeks. This image was then used
Speaker 2: as the basis for future images, with one resembling an
Speaker 2: album cover featuring the word Lobe. The creator of Lobe
Speaker 2: then wrote a viral Twitter thread about this character of
Speaker 2: Lobe in the style of an Internet creepypasta. It became
Speaker 2: a short lived trend. Other people started to make Lobe
Speaker 2: fan art. It seems Clyde misinterpreted a piece of fan
Speaker 2: art casting Lobe as one of the nave from Avatar
Speaker 2: as a genuine still from the making of the film.
Speaker 4: She attempted to appear in an AI composite when they
Speaker 4: were making the film Avatar.
Speaker 1: That's Love is an Avatar? Creepy or what I think
Speaker 1: it's creepy. It's just really scary. Does to think that
Speaker 1: that's on the Internet right now?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's very, very scary. Just it's keeping me up
Speaker 2: at night to think about this.
Speaker 4: And apparently Love has this for some reason, this ability
Speaker 4: to generate dead children around me.
Speaker 1: So we have to think that maybe she's the murderer
Speaker 1: of children, or she takes.
Speaker 4: Care of the dead, or she's an entity that watches
Speaker 4: over dead children.
Speaker 2: Clyde also mistook the twenty nineteen viral hoax dubbed the
Speaker 2: Momo Challenge, which scared parents across America, that a creepy
Speaker 2: image of a grinning woman with bulging eyes was part
Speaker 2: of a game that is somehow pushing children to suicide.
Speaker 2: Clyde interpreted this as more evidence of dark phantas existing
Speaker 2: autonomously on the Internet.
Speaker 5: Mama was showing up on Yahoo, Mama was showing up
Speaker 5: on YouTube. But what it was was, like I said,
Speaker 5: Lobe was and that is an Internet Crypti, something like Bigfoot,
Speaker 5: something like a UFO, where if you're lucky enough to
Speaker 5: see it, or I'm lucky enough to see it, it
Speaker 5: terrifies you and keeps you up at night.
Speaker 4: And there are many reports of people who died because
Speaker 4: they were basically mesmerized by Momo.
Speaker 2: For the record, no one died because of Momo. It
Speaker 2: was an internet creepypasta that got turned into a mortal
Speaker 2: panic by confused parents. But to Clyde Lewis, it was
Speaker 2: proof that Mesopotamian child killing demons are active on the Internet,
Speaker 2: disguised as these online memes.
Speaker 4: Well, Mass two is the demon that kills children, and
Speaker 4: there's another one likelo mash To called Hobbie Sooth, and
Speaker 4: Abbi Sooth is the demon that kills children in the womb.
Speaker 4: If the spirit has been loosed on the internet, the
Speaker 4: phantom spirit is either the match.
Speaker 1: To or the demon, the other demon, the obviously demon.
Speaker 4: The reason why I say this is because politically speaking,
Speaker 4: look at what the politics are today about the death
Speaker 4: of unborn children, and that spirit is very very very
Speaker 4: prevalent inbiquitous down in the world. And that's why I
Speaker 4: believe that this character, including Mamo love Mama whoever. They
Speaker 4: represent the murder and death of innocent children. It's not
Speaker 4: just that the children in Ukraine were killed, all the
Speaker 4: children that have been trafficked, all the things we hear
Speaker 4: about about pedophilia, enviromed and children.
Speaker 1: It's all part of the spiritual realm of evil.
Speaker 4: It is appearing right now in the spiritual matrix of
Speaker 4: the Internet.
Speaker 2: Okay. So at this point I was considering just disrupting
Speaker 2: the talk if he said the word abortion or QAnon.
Speaker 2: I was going to interrupt the talk at risk of
Speaker 2: getting kicked out of the conference, but he straddled that
Speaker 2: line really really really close. Clyde explained that demons feed
Speaker 2: off death, and these child killing entities are taking form
Speaker 2: within the Internet to push kids into depression and make
Speaker 2: themselves harm. Fueling this demonic migration to the Internet is
Speaker 2: an increase in the number of quote unquote dead babies,
Speaker 2: which is essentially summoning demons that then go on to
Speaker 2: torture children on the Internet.
Speaker 1: So that's why I.
Speaker 4: Believe that maybe this demon is the demon of the
Speaker 4: unborn being killed for the demon of it, because those
Speaker 4: are the images that show up when you delve deeper
Speaker 4: into low especially when we know the entities like Low.
Speaker 1: Obviously than Lamasu are on the.
Speaker 4: Internet and probably among us right now in the hearts
Speaker 4: and minds of everybody. Because of the fact that you're
Speaker 4: politically bound by this topic of murdering children. It's weird
Speaker 4: the Internet is responding. I believe the Internet is responding.
Speaker 2: Immediately after this abortion demon tirade, he then very nonchalantly
Speaker 2: segued into talking about reports of receiving text messages from
Speaker 2: dead people, and then he finished the talk with this
Speaker 2: absolute banger of a line.
Speaker 4: Elon Muskin said that playing with AI is like opening
Speaker 4: the door to a demon, and maybe it is so.
Speaker 2: Obviously, this guy had an extremely flawed understanding of both
Speaker 2: emergent technology and how the Internet operates in the first place,
Speaker 2: which isn't surprising. But the panel wasn't really about technology.
Speaker 2: It was ideological. This guy makes money hosting a conspiracy
Speaker 2: radio show. There is a monetary aspect for him, but
Speaker 2: his stated beliefs and understanding of the Internet is deeply ideological.
Speaker 2: He's sifting all of this techno paranormal stuff through a
Speaker 2: very reactionary Christian far right lens. A few years ago,
Speaker 2: he was kicked off FM radio and now just broadcasts
Speaker 2: his show on the internet and I think some AM
Speaker 2: radio station. About a month after the conference, Elaine showed
Speaker 2: me a news story about how some guy had a
Speaker 2: GPT based chatbot convince him to kill himself. The way
Speaker 2: that the articles were talking about this incident was basically
Speaker 2: the same way Clyde was talking about how entities on
Speaker 2: the Internet are murdering people. These GPT language models just
Speaker 2: say what you want them to say. This guy was
Speaker 2: giving it prompts, which in turn replied back to him. Now,
Speaker 2: the chatbot he was using has been tweat to dissuade
Speaker 2: people from acting on suicidal thoughts, but it was a
Speaker 2: little disconcerting to see mainstream news articles promote the idea
Speaker 2: that the Internet itself, as some kind of conscious force,
Speaker 2: got this guy to kill himself. This guy was already
Speaker 2: incredibly depressed. He was typing into a GPT chatbot, almost
Speaker 2: like you would talk to a therapist. But this chatbot
Speaker 2: isn't a mental health program, it's just a language model.
Speaker 2: So in practice, this guy was using this chatbot as
Speaker 2: a tool to self harm, which is easier to understand
Speaker 2: when it's framed like that. But that's not how it's
Speaker 2: being interpreted in mass media. I don't actually think that
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to believe that Lobe
Speaker 2: is secretly a Sumerian child killing deity that got summoned
Speaker 2: via negative prompts in an image generation program, but they
Speaker 2: might believe that chat GPT can convince someone to kill themself.
Speaker 2: Throughout the whole conference, there was a link between the
Speaker 2: paranormal and technology. Gadgets were not just seen as a
Speaker 2: new way to record evidence of a ghostly presence, but
Speaker 2: the very nature of a ghost's existence was tied to electricity.
Speaker 2: For many ghost hunters, the spirit world was very much
Speaker 2: not mystical, but a product of electromagnetism, and as such
Speaker 2: it can be engaged with purely clinically. That is, as
Speaker 2: long as you have enough spare cash to buy all
Speaker 2: of the specialized equipment. The rempod, which again is basically
Speaker 2: a junior theorem in circuit attached to a tiny LED
Speaker 2: and a speaker, goes for nearly two hundred dollars. From
Speaker 2: low quality EF meters to LED cat toys, cheap electronics
Speaker 2: are often repackaged and sold as specialized ghost hunting devices
Speaker 2: at higher prices. All of these pale in comparison, however,
Speaker 2: to the Panasonic DR sixty voice activated digital recorder. This
Speaker 2: was the device that recorded those ghostly growls during the
Speaker 2: investigation at the Masonic Temple. This is the only device
Speaker 2: that can routinely record electronic voice phenomenon. Originally released in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight for one hundred dollars, it was one
Speaker 2: of the very first digital dictaphones. Now, due to its
Speaker 2: infamoustibility to capture the screaming voices of ghosts, it retails
Speaker 2: used for three to four thousand dollars, which is a
Speaker 2: ridiculous price, especially for something that is such a low
Speaker 2: quality recording device. These things can record growls wherever. It
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be a haunted place. This is just
Speaker 2: what the device does. A software error in the voice
Speaker 2: activated file writing process produces compressed digital noise. Panasonic's next
Speaker 2: recorder did not have this issue, thus it doesn't quote
Speaker 2: unquote record ghostly growls. Between the false positives of the
Speaker 2: low quality EMF meters and devices like the DR sixty,
Speaker 2: when re marketed as ghost detection tools, these machines' inherent
Speaker 2: problems actually become features. Going all the way back to
Speaker 2: spirit photography, faulty technology has been a necessary tool in
Speaker 2: the production of spectral evidence. To quote author Colin Dickie,
Speaker 2: who writes about paranormal subcultures, quote, the best tools for
Speaker 2: tracking down spirits have always been the ones fallible enough
Speaker 2: to find something unquote. The emphasis on technology as the
Speaker 2: primary means of interacting with the paranormal was most common
Speaker 2: among the overwhelmingly male investigators at the conference, although the
Speaker 2: group from Astoria organ was more gender diverse. There were
Speaker 2: actually very few men in attendance at the conference. It
Speaker 2: was mostly women, and it was a lot of women
Speaker 2: over the age of forty I was well below the
Speaker 2: average age of most of the attendees. There are some
Speaker 2: apparently well studied reasons for this. In general, as people age,
Speaker 2: their rate of metaphysical beliefs increase. A two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven study from Oxford's Gerontologist linked positive supernatural beliefs with
Speaker 2: decreasing feelings of helplessness and more successfully approaching the challenges
Speaker 2: of aging. They defined positive supernatural beliefs as those which
Speaker 2: quote develop an internalized personal relation with the sacred or
Speaker 2: transcendent and promote the wellness and welfare of self and
Speaker 2: others unquote. Such positive beliefs were found to be quote
Speaker 2: a source of strength, comfort, and hope in difficult times,
Speaker 2: and bring about a sense of community and belonging unquote.
Speaker 2: So why are less older men apparently interested in contacting spirits?
Speaker 2: The gender gap at the conference was more pronounced among
Speaker 2: attendees than the speakers, but even between the speakers, there
Speaker 2: was a noticeable difference between the more male leaning scientifically
Speaker 2: based ghost hunter or paranormal researcher compared to the more
Speaker 2: female leaning psychic mediums with all of their feelings. While
Speaker 2: many ghost hunters might just be very excited about their
Speaker 2: scientific equipment, a big difference may lie in belief systems.
Speaker 2: A twenty twenty one cross cultural study in the PNAS
Speaker 2: Journal found that among people who reported experiencing high, weird
Speaker 2: or supernatural experiences in their life, those who had viewed
Speaker 2: the world and themselves as more interconnected will relate more
Speaker 2: to concepts like spirit contact or telepith, whereas people who
Speaker 2: have a more isolated or bounded sense of internal identity
Speaker 2: will create alternate explanations for unusual experiences. Numerous studies have
Speaker 2: shown that women report belief in the paranormal at a
Speaker 2: higher rate than men, and there's a quick jump to
Speaker 2: just claiming that this is because of some sort of
Speaker 2: womanly irrationality. However, in a twenty twenty study published in
Speaker 2: cell Press, they noted that personality traits affected whether someone
Speaker 2: believed in paranormal phenomenon. Specifically, emotionality, which affects how you
Speaker 2: rate experiences as profound, and openness to new experiences were
Speaker 2: good indicators that someone would be more into the supernatural.
Speaker 2: Another contributing factor was a term that they referred to
Speaker 2: as ontological confusion, which I think is kind of a
Speaker 2: nonsense term the way they use it, because to them,
Speaker 2: that means believing that thoughts have physical properties. Now, obviously
Speaker 2: our thoughts and do impact our reality, especially our own
Speaker 2: bodies and sensory feelings, but my complain about the term aside,
Speaker 2: The authors state that these three factors ontological confusion, openness,
Speaker 2: and emotionality may potentially be considered facets of a tendency
Speaker 2: in which individuals prefer stories i e. Vivid and effectively
Speaker 2: appealing conceptions of the world. To quote part of the
Speaker 2: conclusion of the study, quote, A skeptical person may immediately
Speaker 2: reject a statement if it violates a rule whereas open
Speaker 2: minded emotional people I don't like there's some negative connotations
Speaker 2: for the way they use emotional there. But whereas open
Speaker 2: minded emotional people might be inspired to make sense of
Speaker 2: what seems odd at first glance, they may engage in
Speaker 2: associative generic thought rather than in a bureaucratic, meticulous examination
Speaker 2: of the given information. Fictions trans and an enhance experience
Speaker 2: with meaning, imagination, and emotion In its essence, a good
Speaker 2: story widens our horizon. As such, storytelling is a virtue,
Speaker 2: not a deficit. Yet if story seeking happens without reasoned review,
Speaker 2: the line between fiction and evidence based knowledge becomes blurred unquote.
Speaker 2: At the ghost conference, there were many different conceptions of
Speaker 2: how to relate to experiences that push the borders of reality,
Speaker 2: but not all of them fit into being what I
Speaker 2: and these studies consider positive supernatural beliefs. Some of these
Speaker 2: beliefs seemed to head into territory that veered more towards
Speaker 2: paranoia rather than creating metaphysical connections that enhance your own life,
Speaker 2: while other beliefs may simply lead people to take up
Speaker 2: yelling at blinking lights and abandoned buildings as a hobby.
Speaker 2: Most people I talk to at the conference who reported
Speaker 2: experiencing parers normal events all had very similar stories of
Speaker 2: going through some sort of hardship or trauma followed by
Speaker 2: the experience or perception of something strange or uncanny. For
Speaker 2: some this led to a healthy interest in the unusual,
Speaker 2: but for others it resulted in an all consuming obsession,
Speaker 2: leading them to develop or adopt their own dogmatic cosmology
Speaker 2: of the paranormal to explain what happened to them and
Speaker 2: to make them feel comfortable in their own head again.
Speaker 2: In terms of ghosts, that meant looking at all ghosts
Speaker 2: as ancestors or as people who were all murdered or
Speaker 2: demons in disguise. Depending whose company I was in at
Speaker 2: the conference, there would be a large desire for some
Speaker 2: sort of spirit contact or a great fear of spirit,
Speaker 2: casting it as a source of evil darkness. Some people
Speaker 2: at the conference were just there to sell a story
Speaker 2: to an audience that they knew would be more likely
Speaker 2: to be receptive, whether the goal was to get yet
Speaker 2: people to buy their books or their spiritual services. In effect,
Speaker 2: they were preying on people's fears of mortality, grief, and
Speaker 2: trauma for their own profit. The ghost hunts at the
Speaker 2: convention were mostly lighthearted and fun, but people were never
Speaker 2: really engaging with the phenomenon on its own terms. When
Speaker 2: people apply a purely clinical approach to high strangeness phenomenon,
Speaker 2: something which is inherently personal and elusive in nature, a
Speaker 2: distance is formed between yourself and the phenomenon. However, this
Speaker 2: distance often breaks down very quickly as engagement with the
Speaker 2: phenomenon becomes a matter of investigators projecting their thoughts onto
Speaker 2: it and then having parts of themself be reflected back.
Speaker 2: Throughout the ghost investigations, I would hear people explaining to
Speaker 2: potential ghosts that they had died and trying to empathize
Speaker 2: with these ghosts through conversation. To me, it felt like
Speaker 2: people doing this as some sort of self regulatory therapy
Speaker 2: to feel and give out compassion, but to things that
Speaker 2: can't actually ask for it or be part of any
Speaker 2: reciprocal relationship. Instead of actually helping another person, it's giving
Speaker 2: compassion to these specters that you create and then live
Speaker 2: within your own head. Just like for Clyde Lewis, it's
Speaker 2: easier to empathize with quote unquote unborn children and people
Speaker 2: killed by demons on the Internet than say, an unemployed,
Speaker 2: depressed person needing mental health care. In terms of how
Speaker 2: the Internet manifests monstrous beings, Clyde is kind of right,
Speaker 2: but not how he thinks a demon and a meme
Speaker 2: are functionally the same thing. They both just represent ideas.
Speaker 2: It's a viral thought form. The Internet is uniquely good
Speaker 2: at creating these specters. Momo haunted parents, Lobe now haunts, Clyde.
Speaker 2: These are real specters. They aren't literal beings with their
Speaker 2: own agency, but at a certain point, thought forms can
Speaker 2: become semi autonomous. They can quote unquote take on a
Speaker 2: life of their own. Once enough of something has been rehified,
Speaker 2: it can be propelled on its own existence. If Amazon
Speaker 2: has its way, children will be haunted by their dead
Speaker 2: grandparents speaking through Alexa machines. Using AI to resurrect someone
Speaker 2: from the dead via deep fakes or digital twins obviously
Speaker 2: doesn't bring the person back alive, nor is it the
Speaker 2: actual person. But if the illusion is strong enough to
Speaker 2: trick a part of your brain that still holds some
Speaker 2: kind of power. My takeaway from the twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: Oregon Ghost Conference is when you go looking, you will
Speaker 2: find something, whether that's opening yourself up to strange experiences
Speaker 2: or poking around the with an EMF meter. What is
Speaker 2: magic other than the manipulation of meaning. You can make
Speaker 2: certain things mean something if you want them to. You
Speaker 2: can be in conversation with the world around you, but
Speaker 2: ultimately it's up to you to determine how you will
Speaker 2: interpret that information into something meaningful. Whether you're a skeptic,
Speaker 2: a believer, or you're just a long for the cosmic
Speaker 2: joke that we call existence, Maybe, just maybe I'll see
Speaker 2: you on the other side, Happy Halloween. I did not
Speaker 2: quite expect it to go all the way to abortion demons,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
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