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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to It Could Happen. Here's Spooky Week special presentation.

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Speaker 2: Ghost in the Machine, a first person account of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Oregon Ghost Conference. I'm Garrison Davis. In

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Speaker 2: the last episode, I introduced you to the hauntings of

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Speaker 2: Seaside and the first day of the conference. But now

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Speaker 2: descending into the subsequent two days, we're gonna get into

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Speaker 2: a lot more classes and events that started to reveal

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Speaker 2: the cultural underpinnings of the Ghost Conference attendees. The cost

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Speaker 2: of entry for the conference was pretty low, but every

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Speaker 2: class or ghost hunt was an additional fee, with classes

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Speaker 2: ranging from fifteen to twenty five bucks each and the

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Speaker 2: ghost investigations a lofty thirty five dollars per ticket, so

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Speaker 2: I had to pick and choose my classes carefully. There

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Speaker 2: were a lot of classes with the word energy in

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Speaker 2: the title. I mostly avoided those, but the class topics

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Speaker 2: ranged from the afterlife to connecting with spirits, reiki, crystals, tarot, mediumship,

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Speaker 2: and psychic abilities. There were a few classes on witchcraft

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Speaker 2: and occult magic, but that was definitely not the general

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Speaker 2: vibe of the conference or most attendees. In fact, there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of hostility to ritual magic and esoteric

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Speaker 2: practices throughout the conference from the more new ag energy

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Speaker 2: working speakers, mostly on the basis that witchcraft is linked

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Speaker 2: to dark forces. Just because someone operates on a form

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Speaker 2: of magical thinking does not mean that they take kindly

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Speaker 2: to arcane practices, a case in point to the historical

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Speaker 2: witch hunts led by the Christians. The Love and Light

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Speaker 2: new Age psychics, along with the paranormal investigator types, made

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Speaker 2: up the majority of both attendees and class instructors. On

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, while my friend Elaine was doing a hypnosis class,

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Speaker 2: I took a really fun class on how to learn

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Speaker 2: remote viewing. The instructor was a very jovial woman, and

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Speaker 2: it was her opinion that remote viewing is just a

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Speaker 2: skill that can be trained, not linked to any innate

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Speaker 2: psychic powers. With just a bit more practice, I'll be

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Speaker 2: blowing up goats with my mind in no time. I

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Speaker 2: snuck in towards the end of the hypnotism class, just

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Speaker 2: in time for the group hypnosis session, where I ended

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Speaker 2: up astral projecting into a Portland anarchist book. Fair taking

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Speaker 2: classes offered an intimate look at each presenter's own unique

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Speaker 2: view of reality. Almost everyone at the conference was operating

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Speaker 2: on their own complete cosmology of how ghosts or paranormal

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Speaker 2: entities work. There's two classes I want to focus on.

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Speaker 2: Each had very different class descriptions, but ended up piggybacking

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Speaker 2: off each other in some really interesting ways. The first

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Speaker 2: one was titled The Power of Entity Extraction. The instructor

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Speaker 2: was a blonde, white woman who referred to herself as

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Speaker 2: a quote unquote shamanic practitioner. The class was about how

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Speaker 2: quote unresolved trauma can be an invitation to ethnic hitchhikers,

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Speaker 2: and how entities mimic signs of mental illness and change

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Speaker 2: behavior unquote. The other class was titled The Warrior Angel

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Speaker 2: Within You. It sought to help you find out if

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Speaker 2: you secretly had the soul of a warrior angel. Spoiler,

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Speaker 2: everyone in the class did, and it promised to teach

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Speaker 2: you how to activate your connection between yourself and your

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Speaker 2: angelic consciousness to unlock your own angel powers. So, while

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Speaker 2: having many operational differences, the Warrior Angel class and the

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Speaker 2: Entity Extraction class were both very set in their own

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Speaker 2: unique ontologies, and in order for their respective operative metaphysics

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Speaker 2: to work, they needed to be extremely dogmatic about their

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Speaker 2: own ontology. Both instructors also had a very similar story

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Speaker 2: of some past trauma leading to a mystical encounter which

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Speaker 2: then awakened some spiritual insight and hidden power. For the

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Speaker 2: entity extraction class, it was quote, I was a very

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Speaker 2: sickly kid. I had all these things that were wrong

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Speaker 2: and remove them myself. Versus the Warrior Angel class, the

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Speaker 2: person's backstory was quote when I was nineteen years old,

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Speaker 2: I got into a bad motorcycle accident. I was clinically

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Speaker 2: dead for two minutes, received a brain injury, and then

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Speaker 2: I started seeing angels unquote. Both women's personal journeys seemed

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Speaker 2: like they helped them deal with their own traumas. In

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Speaker 2: the case of the Shamanic Practitioner woman, she regained her

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Speaker 2: of removing entities and quota quote soul coaching. The Warrior

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Speaker 2: trying to pass on to quote unquote the light, they

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Speaker 2: or demonic entities which seek to feed off people's pain

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Speaker 2: and suffering. We learned that benign entities can just be

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Speaker 2: lost human souls. For instance, if someone is taking a

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Speaker 2: light and it'll become lost. According at least to this

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Speaker 2: shamanic practitioner, she claimed to be trained in a special

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Speaker 2: technique to remove entities. It involves quote ethertically locking your

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Speaker 2: at which point it can then be sent into the

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Speaker 2: light unquote. Since the shaman woman wasn't actually offering ways

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Speaker 2: for other people to protect themselves from entities, the only

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Speaker 2: you could eventually gain some form of agency when you

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Speaker 2: merge with your Warrior Angel, but then you would spend

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Speaker 2: the rest of your life recognizing demons in human form

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Speaker 2: to the darkness, Whereas in the entity attraction class, the

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Speaker 2: most you could do was just be proactive by quote

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Speaker 2: unquote learning ways to identify possible attachments and how your

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Speaker 2: Though she identified herself as a shamanic practitioner, she didn't

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Speaker 2: believe you could actually work with spirits. When people asked

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Speaker 2: except if you ask an entity if it's of the light,

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Speaker 2: Indication on who wrote this universal law, who enforces this

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Speaker 2: It has to answer truthfully. So, despite this universal law business,

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Speaker 2: to help you, it's probably of the dark. And working

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Speaker 2: very specifically try to claim some sort of shamanic lineage,

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Speaker 2: way most shamanic practices work. So I did some digging,

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Speaker 2: controversial quote unquote shamanism school called the Four Winds, which

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Speaker 2: So even though you shouldn't be in contact with really

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Speaker 2: the Galactic Federation Council, and the Council of Elders. Now

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Speaker 2: because I was too. We never found out. We never

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Speaker 2: just her own experiences. A Warrior Angel is a quote

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Speaker 2: demon slayers unquote, and no, I don't think she has

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Speaker 2: sent to Earth in the past two hundred years because quote,

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Speaker 2: last two hundred years, it's really gotten worse unquote. Now, thankfully, I,

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Speaker 2: worse enough that, under the command of God, the Legion

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Speaker 2: she also explained that in a past life, Ariel got

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Speaker 2: she actually was also killing the human host of the demon.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that this person whose job is a

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Speaker 2: Someone should look into that. The whole Warrior Angel cosmology

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Speaker 2: was very rooted in Christian Millenarianism, an apocalyptic end times

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Speaker 2: of the darkest parts of the whole weekend for me

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Speaker 1: Looking at something that is unexported, unpredictable.

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Speaker 4: We have scientists discrediting and saying, well, you're not going

435
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Speaker 4: to tell.

436
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Speaker 1: Me that they're a ghost in your computer.

437
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: You're not gonna tell me that you're going to get

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Speaker 4: a Skype call from the ghost.

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Speaker 1: Oh why I'm telling you that. I'm telling you that

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Speaker 1: it's possible.

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00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: Clyde's main idea was that there are ghosts and demons

442
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: that live in the Internet. Demons have a way to

443
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: enter the Internet through some sort of portal and then

444
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: exist in cyberspace. Cliente proposed that when AIS generate information,

445
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: that can open up a space for outside entities to

446
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: enter into the Internet, while also claiming that AI itself

447
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: is capable of generating unique entities that are being spawned

448
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: on the Internet and are essentially existing as an Internet cryptid.

449
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: What we see is the necromancy itself manifesting exponentially thrilling songs.

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00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: He explained that when we are interacting with computer programs,

451
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: we are actually quote interacting with a spirit within that program,

452
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: an electronic force taken from the collective spiritual makeup of

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Speaker 2: humanity unquote.

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Speaker 4: We can use AI to conjure our various pieces, our

455
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: monsters from the head that human and we can also

456
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: use spacebook, Twitter to TikTok and usesagram, which takes a

457
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: bit of your soul every time.

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Speaker 1: You use it, and it will take a bit of

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Speaker 1: your soul to make.

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00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: That program that you can use to conjure the day.

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00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: So it all works in a strange Pondsman tanglement sort

462
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Speaker 4: of way, and we give up.

463
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: Our souls willingly on the Internet.

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Speaker 4: We don't care because it's a tool we use and

465
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: we can't separate ourselves from it. But no one throws

466
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Speaker 4: out a warning the conjuring can happen in the push

467
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Speaker 4: of a button or the striking and a return fee.

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Speaker 2: As a heads up for the next section. Up until

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Speaker 2: the ad break, we'll be discussing self harm and suicide.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to skip that, just skip to

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Speaker 2: after the next ad break. To give an example of

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Speaker 2: how a conjuring can happen via typing, Clyde misappropriated a

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Speaker 2: story of a young girl who was suffering from depression

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Speaker 2: and died last year.

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Speaker 4: Recently, it was a fourteen year old British girl who

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00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: died from an act of self harm while suffering from

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00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: the negative effects of online content.

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00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: A coroner said in.

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Speaker 4: This case that basically it was showing a spotlight on

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00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: what can happen when people are exposed to unknown, negative

481
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: information being broadcast.

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00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: On the Internet.

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Speaker 2: This young girl shared over two thousand posts on Instagram

484
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: related to suicide, self harm, and depression during the six

485
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: months before she died. Clyde grossly mischaracterized this tragic incident.

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00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: He claimed that this girl was quote exposed to horrific

487
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 2: content being sent to her by an unknown source, and

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00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: that they could not trace the emails and pictures being

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00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: sent to her of murder, pictures being sent to her

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00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: of people committing suicide unquote. Now, graphic content was not

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00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: mysteriously being sent to her email or phone. She was

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00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: participating in grossly undermoderated communities on platforms like Instagram, Twitter,

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00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: and Pinterest that encourage self harm.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a typical suicide.

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00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: It was something that besprized her enough pictures and images

496
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: that came over the Internet from an unknown source and

497
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: infusory commit suicide. Something from the other side, something from

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00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: the unity murdered her. Okay, some spirit, some entity setting

499
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: her information, triggered something in her head to kill himself.

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Speaker 4: Some paranormal event that happened where the girl was triggered.

501
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: It's like a dark entity. It was on the other

502
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: side programming her committed suicide. That I think tells you

503
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: a lot about what's on the other side.

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Speaker 1: In the matrix. So the question is did those images

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00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: of death and.

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Speaker 4: Harm manifest a denying force or a dark archetype that

507
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: wound up killing the young girl? Is it dead by

508
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: algorithm or are people just cruel and honestly having terrifying

509
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: areas to a stressed young girl.

510
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: But man, you would be cruel enough to do that.

511
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: A lot of you know, depressive and suicidal ideation based

512
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: content doesn't come out of thin air. There's entire subcultures

513
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: and communities based around it, as well as groups that

514
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: work online to push random young girls into self harming.

515
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: Not many people may know that these groups are relatively

516
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: small and don't get a lot of news coverage because

517
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: we don't really want to amplify them and have people

518
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: try to seek them out. So the idea of a

519
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: reactionary conspiracy radio host attributing this to demons on the

520
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: Internet isn't super surprising. Recasting this unfortunate event as demons

521
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: living on the Internet perhaps makes it easier to understand

522
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: or cope with. Meanwhile, the girl's parents have been pressuring

523
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: Instagram and other social media companies to employ more mental

524
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: health modern on their platforms. In my opinion, Clyde Lewis

525
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: perhaps doesn't have the best Internet literacy because in the

526
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: next portion of the talk he framed the creepypasta project

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00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: Lobe as evidence of one of these demonic ghosts living

528
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: on the Internet AI generated.

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00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: Demons, AI generated ghosts and corpses.

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Speaker 4: How I mean people have heard of Lobe lab Lobe.

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Speaker 1: Good Lobe is what they call an Internet cryptid.

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00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: She shows up from time to time and programs because

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00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: they let her loose on the Internet. She's a ghosts

534
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: and it was brought about because of negative calls brought

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00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: on by the Internet lab. Lobe a corpse like entity

536
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: that appeared after AI received some negative prompts and they

537
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: literally conjured a dead woman and put her on the screen.

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00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: But see, that's the thing is that when you use

539
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: negative prompt ways encourages artificial tod just to put together

540
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: the furthest opposite of a given starting point. So if

541
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: you're messing with negative star points and negative crops, you're

542
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: gonna get some negative.

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00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: Stuff like Lobe in actuality. Lobe was made in the

544
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: AI image generation program Dolly Mini by instructing the AI

545
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: to produce an image that was the opposite of Marlon Brando.

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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 2: After some tinkering, it generated an image of an old

547
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: woman with swollen red cheeks. This image was then used

548
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: as the basis for future images, with one resembling an

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00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: album cover featuring the word Lobe. The creator of Lobe

550
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: then wrote a viral Twitter thread about this character of

551
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: Lobe in the style of an Internet creepypasta. It became

552
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: a short lived trend. Other people started to make Lobe

553
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: fan art. It seems Clyde misinterpreted a piece of fan

554
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: art casting Lobe as one of the nave from Avatar

555
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: as a genuine still from the making of the film.

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00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: She attempted to appear in an AI composite when they

557
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: were making the film Avatar.

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00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: That's Love is an Avatar? Creepy or what I think

559
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: it's creepy. It's just really scary. Does to think that

560
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: that's on the Internet right now?

561
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Yes, that's very, very scary. Just it's keeping me up

562
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: at night to think about this.

563
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: And apparently Love has this for some reason, this ability

564
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 4: to generate dead children around me.

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00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: So we have to think that maybe she's the murderer

566
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: of children, or she takes.

567
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 4: Care of the dead, or she's an entity that watches

568
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 4: over dead children.

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Speaker 2: Clyde also mistook the twenty nineteen viral hoax dubbed the

570
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: Momo Challenge, which scared parents across America, that a creepy

571
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: image of a grinning woman with bulging eyes was part

572
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: of a game that is somehow pushing children to suicide.

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00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: Clyde interpreted this as more evidence of dark phantas existing

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00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: autonomously on the Internet.

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Speaker 5: Mama was showing up on Yahoo, Mama was showing up

576
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 5: on YouTube. But what it was was, like I said,

577
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: Lobe was and that is an Internet Crypti, something like Bigfoot,

578
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 5: something like a UFO, where if you're lucky enough to

579
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 5: see it, or I'm lucky enough to see it, it

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00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 5: terrifies you and keeps you up at night.

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: And there are many reports of people who died because

582
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: they were basically mesmerized by Momo.

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00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: For the record, no one died because of Momo. It

584
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: was an internet creepypasta that got turned into a mortal

585
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: panic by confused parents. But to Clyde Lewis, it was

586
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: proof that Mesopotamian child killing demons are active on the Internet,

587
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: disguised as these online memes.

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00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: Well, Mass two is the demon that kills children, and

589
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: there's another one likelo mash To called Hobbie Sooth, and

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00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: Abbi Sooth is the demon that kills children in the womb.

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: If the spirit has been loosed on the internet, the

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00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: phantom spirit is either the match.

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00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: To or the demon, the other demon, the obviously demon.

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00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: The reason why I say this is because politically speaking,

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00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: look at what the politics are today about the death

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00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: of unborn children, and that spirit is very very very

597
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: prevalent inbiquitous down in the world. And that's why I

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00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: believe that this character, including Mamo love Mama whoever. They

599
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: represent the murder and death of innocent children. It's not

600
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: just that the children in Ukraine were killed, all the

601
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: children that have been trafficked, all the things we hear

602
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 4: about about pedophilia, enviromed and children.

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00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: It's all part of the spiritual realm of evil.

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00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: It is appearing right now in the spiritual matrix of

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Speaker 4: the Internet.

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00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: Okay. So at this point I was considering just disrupting

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00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: the talk if he said the word abortion or QAnon.

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00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: I was going to interrupt the talk at risk of

609
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: getting kicked out of the conference, but he straddled that

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00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: line really really really close. Clyde explained that demons feed

611
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: off death, and these child killing entities are taking form

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00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 2: within the Internet to push kids into depression and make

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00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: themselves harm. Fueling this demonic migration to the Internet is

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00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: an increase in the number of quote unquote dead babies,

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00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: which is essentially summoning demons that then go on to

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00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: torture children on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I.

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00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: Believe that maybe this demon is the demon of the

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Speaker 4: unborn being killed for the demon of it, because those

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00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: are the images that show up when you delve deeper

621
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: into low especially when we know the entities like Low.

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00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: Obviously than Lamasu are on the.

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Speaker 4: Internet and probably among us right now in the hearts

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00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: and minds of everybody. Because of the fact that you're

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00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: politically bound by this topic of murdering children. It's weird

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00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: the Internet is responding. I believe the Internet is responding.

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00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: Immediately after this abortion demon tirade, he then very nonchalantly

628
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: segued into talking about reports of receiving text messages from

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Speaker 2: dead people, and then he finished the talk with this

630
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: absolute banger of a line.

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Speaker 4: Elon Muskin said that playing with AI is like opening

632
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Speaker 4: the door to a demon, and maybe it is so.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, this guy had an extremely flawed understanding of both

634
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 2: emergent technology and how the Internet operates in the first place,

635
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: which isn't surprising. But the panel wasn't really about technology.

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00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: It was ideological. This guy makes money hosting a conspiracy

637
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: radio show. There is a monetary aspect for him, but

638
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: his stated beliefs and understanding of the Internet is deeply ideological.

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00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: He's sifting all of this techno paranormal stuff through a

640
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: very reactionary Christian far right lens. A few years ago,

641
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: he was kicked off FM radio and now just broadcasts

642
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: his show on the internet and I think some AM

643
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: radio station. About a month after the conference, Elaine showed

644
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: me a news story about how some guy had a

645
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: GPT based chatbot convince him to kill himself. The way

646
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: that the articles were talking about this incident was basically

647
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: the same way Clyde was talking about how entities on

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00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: the Internet are murdering people. These GPT language models just

649
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: say what you want them to say. This guy was

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00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 2: giving it prompts, which in turn replied back to him. Now,

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00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: the chatbot he was using has been tweat to dissuade

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Speaker 2: people from acting on suicidal thoughts, but it was a

653
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: little disconcerting to see mainstream news articles promote the idea

654
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: that the Internet itself, as some kind of conscious force,

655
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: got this guy to kill himself. This guy was already

656
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: incredibly depressed. He was typing into a GPT chatbot, almost

657
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: like you would talk to a therapist. But this chatbot

658
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: isn't a mental health program, it's just a language model.

659
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: So in practice, this guy was using this chatbot as

660
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: a tool to self harm, which is easier to understand

661
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: when it's framed like that. But that's not how it's

662
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: being interpreted in mass media. I don't actually think that

663
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to believe that Lobe

664
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: is secretly a Sumerian child killing deity that got summoned

665
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: via negative prompts in an image generation program, but they

666
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: might believe that chat GPT can convince someone to kill themself.

667
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Throughout the whole conference, there was a link between the

668
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: paranormal and technology. Gadgets were not just seen as a

669
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: new way to record evidence of a ghostly presence, but

670
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: the very nature of a ghost's existence was tied to electricity.

671
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: For many ghost hunters, the spirit world was very much

672
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: not mystical, but a product of electromagnetism, and as such

673
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: it can be engaged with purely clinically. That is, as

674
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: long as you have enough spare cash to buy all

675
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: of the specialized equipment. The rempod, which again is basically

676
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: a junior theorem in circuit attached to a tiny LED

677
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: and a speaker, goes for nearly two hundred dollars. From

678
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: low quality EF meters to LED cat toys, cheap electronics

679
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: are often repackaged and sold as specialized ghost hunting devices

680
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: at higher prices. All of these pale in comparison, however,

681
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: to the Panasonic DR sixty voice activated digital recorder. This

682
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: was the device that recorded those ghostly growls during the

683
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 2: investigation at the Masonic Temple. This is the only device

684
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: that can routinely record electronic voice phenomenon. Originally released in

685
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight for one hundred dollars, it was one

686
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: of the very first digital dictaphones. Now, due to its

687
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: infamoustibility to capture the screaming voices of ghosts, it retails

688
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: used for three to four thousand dollars, which is a

689
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: ridiculous price, especially for something that is such a low

690
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: quality recording device. These things can record growls wherever. It

691
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be a haunted place. This is just

692
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: what the device does. A software error in the voice

693
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: activated file writing process produces compressed digital noise. Panasonic's next

694
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 2: recorder did not have this issue, thus it doesn't quote

695
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: unquote record ghostly growls. Between the false positives of the

696
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: low quality EMF meters and devices like the DR sixty,

697
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: when re marketed as ghost detection tools, these machines' inherent

698
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: problems actually become features. Going all the way back to

699
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: spirit photography, faulty technology has been a necessary tool in

700
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: the production of spectral evidence. To quote author Colin Dickie,

701
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: who writes about paranormal subcultures, quote, the best tools for

702
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: tracking down spirits have always been the ones fallible enough

703
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: to find something unquote. The emphasis on technology as the

704
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: primary means of interacting with the paranormal was most common

705
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: among the overwhelmingly male investigators at the conference, although the

706
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: group from Astoria organ was more gender diverse. There were

707
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: actually very few men in attendance at the conference. It

708
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: was mostly women, and it was a lot of women

709
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: over the age of forty I was well below the

710
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: average age of most of the attendees. There are some

711
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: apparently well studied reasons for this. In general, as people age,

712
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: their rate of metaphysical beliefs increase. A two thousand and

713
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: seven study from Oxford's Gerontologist linked positive supernatural beliefs with

714
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: decreasing feelings of helplessness and more successfully approaching the challenges

715
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: of aging. They defined positive supernatural beliefs as those which

716
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: quote develop an internalized personal relation with the sacred or

717
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: transcendent and promote the wellness and welfare of self and

718
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: others unquote. Such positive beliefs were found to be quote

719
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: a source of strength, comfort, and hope in difficult times,

720
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: and bring about a sense of community and belonging unquote.

721
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: So why are less older men apparently interested in contacting spirits?

722
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: The gender gap at the conference was more pronounced among

723
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: attendees than the speakers, but even between the speakers, there

724
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: was a noticeable difference between the more male leaning scientifically

725
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: based ghost hunter or paranormal researcher compared to the more

726
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: female leaning psychic mediums with all of their feelings. While

727
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: many ghost hunters might just be very excited about their

728
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: scientific equipment, a big difference may lie in belief systems.

729
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: A twenty twenty one cross cultural study in the PNAS

730
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: Journal found that among people who reported experiencing high, weird

731
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: or supernatural experiences in their life, those who had viewed

732
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: the world and themselves as more interconnected will relate more

733
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 2: to concepts like spirit contact or telepith, whereas people who

734
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: have a more isolated or bounded sense of internal identity

735
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: will create alternate explanations for unusual experiences. Numerous studies have

736
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: shown that women report belief in the paranormal at a

737
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: higher rate than men, and there's a quick jump to

738
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: just claiming that this is because of some sort of

739
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: womanly irrationality. However, in a twenty twenty study published in

740
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: cell Press, they noted that personality traits affected whether someone

741
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: believed in paranormal phenomenon. Specifically, emotionality, which affects how you

742
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: rate experiences as profound, and openness to new experiences were

743
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: good indicators that someone would be more into the supernatural.

744
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: Another contributing factor was a term that they referred to

745
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: as ontological confusion, which I think is kind of a

746
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: nonsense term the way they use it, because to them,

747
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: that means believing that thoughts have physical properties. Now, obviously

748
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: our thoughts and do impact our reality, especially our own

749
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 2: bodies and sensory feelings, but my complain about the term aside,

750
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: The authors state that these three factors ontological confusion, openness,

751
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: and emotionality may potentially be considered facets of a tendency

752
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: in which individuals prefer stories i e. Vivid and effectively

753
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: appealing conceptions of the world. To quote part of the

754
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: conclusion of the study, quote, A skeptical person may immediately

755
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 2: reject a statement if it violates a rule whereas open

756
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: minded emotional people I don't like there's some negative connotations

757
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: for the way they use emotional there. But whereas open

758
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: minded emotional people might be inspired to make sense of

759
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: what seems odd at first glance, they may engage in

760
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: associative generic thought rather than in a bureaucratic, meticulous examination

761
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: of the given information. Fictions trans and an enhance experience

762
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: with meaning, imagination, and emotion In its essence, a good

763
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: story widens our horizon. As such, storytelling is a virtue,

764
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: not a deficit. Yet if story seeking happens without reasoned review,

765
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 2: the line between fiction and evidence based knowledge becomes blurred unquote.

766
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: At the ghost conference, there were many different conceptions of

767
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: how to relate to experiences that push the borders of reality,

768
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: but not all of them fit into being what I

769
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: and these studies consider positive supernatural beliefs. Some of these

770
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: beliefs seemed to head into territory that veered more towards

771
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 2: paranoia rather than creating metaphysical connections that enhance your own life,

772
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: while other beliefs may simply lead people to take up

773
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: yelling at blinking lights and abandoned buildings as a hobby.

774
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: Most people I talk to at the conference who reported

775
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: experiencing parers normal events all had very similar stories of

776
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: going through some sort of hardship or trauma followed by

777
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: the experience or perception of something strange or uncanny. For

778
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: some this led to a healthy interest in the unusual,

779
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: but for others it resulted in an all consuming obsession,

780
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 2: leading them to develop or adopt their own dogmatic cosmology

781
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: of the paranormal to explain what happened to them and

782
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: to make them feel comfortable in their own head again.

783
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: In terms of ghosts, that meant looking at all ghosts

784
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: as ancestors or as people who were all murdered or

785
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: demons in disguise. Depending whose company I was in at

786
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: the conference, there would be a large desire for some

787
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 2: sort of spirit contact or a great fear of spirit,

788
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: casting it as a source of evil darkness. Some people

789
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: at the conference were just there to sell a story

790
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 2: to an audience that they knew would be more likely

791
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: to be receptive, whether the goal was to get yet

792
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: people to buy their books or their spiritual services. In effect,

793
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: they were preying on people's fears of mortality, grief, and

794
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: trauma for their own profit. The ghost hunts at the

795
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: convention were mostly lighthearted and fun, but people were never

796
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: really engaging with the phenomenon on its own terms. When

797
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: people apply a purely clinical approach to high strangeness phenomenon,

798
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: something which is inherently personal and elusive in nature, a

799
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: distance is formed between yourself and the phenomenon. However, this

800
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: distance often breaks down very quickly as engagement with the

801
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: phenomenon becomes a matter of investigators projecting their thoughts onto

802
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: it and then having parts of themself be reflected back.

803
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: Throughout the ghost investigations, I would hear people explaining to

804
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: potential ghosts that they had died and trying to empathize

805
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: with these ghosts through conversation. To me, it felt like

806
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: people doing this as some sort of self regulatory therapy

807
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: to feel and give out compassion, but to things that

808
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: can't actually ask for it or be part of any

809
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 2: reciprocal relationship. Instead of actually helping another person, it's giving

810
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 2: compassion to these specters that you create and then live

811
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: within your own head. Just like for Clyde Lewis, it's

812
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: easier to empathize with quote unquote unborn children and people

813
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: killed by demons on the Internet than say, an unemployed,

814
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 2: depressed person needing mental health care. In terms of how

815
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: the Internet manifests monstrous beings, Clyde is kind of right,

816
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: but not how he thinks a demon and a meme

817
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: are functionally the same thing. They both just represent ideas.

818
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: It's a viral thought form. The Internet is uniquely good

819
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: at creating these specters. Momo haunted parents, Lobe now haunts, Clyde.

820
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: These are real specters. They aren't literal beings with their

821
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 2: own agency, but at a certain point, thought forms can

822
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: become semi autonomous. They can quote unquote take on a

823
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: life of their own. Once enough of something has been rehified,

824
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: it can be propelled on its own existence. If Amazon

825
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 2: has its way, children will be haunted by their dead

826
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: grandparents speaking through Alexa machines. Using AI to resurrect someone

827
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: from the dead via deep fakes or digital twins obviously

828
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: doesn't bring the person back alive, nor is it the

829
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: actual person. But if the illusion is strong enough to

830
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: trick a part of your brain that still holds some

831
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: kind of power. My takeaway from the twenty twenty three

832
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: Oregon Ghost Conference is when you go looking, you will

833
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: find something, whether that's opening yourself up to strange experiences

834
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: or poking around the with an EMF meter. What is

835
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: magic other than the manipulation of meaning. You can make

836
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: certain things mean something if you want them to. You

837
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: can be in conversation with the world around you, but

838
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 2: ultimately it's up to you to determine how you will

839
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: interpret that information into something meaningful. Whether you're a skeptic,

840
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: a believer, or you're just a long for the cosmic

841
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: joke that we call existence, Maybe, just maybe I'll see

842
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: you on the other side, Happy Halloween. I did not

843
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: quite expect it to go all the way to abortion demons,

844
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: but yeah.

845
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Speaker 1: Here we are.

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