1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I am joined in this episode by the one and 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: only Mary Catherine hamm It's Hammer time, everybody. In fact, 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: she even has a podcast called Getting Hammered that you 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: should all out of your whenever you have time. Also 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: her sub stack. What's what's the title of the sub stack? MK? Hammer? 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: It's always hammer or something. It's always Hammered time. So 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: I want to start. We have we have some commonality, 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: we have some similarities. Um, we are both people who 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: have worked in the past at CNN as people who 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: are not willing to go along with the destruction of America, 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: and therefore our time at CNN was limited, right, Like, 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: there's a certain if you're only gonna go on there 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: and a certain amount of times before you just start 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: to say I'm not gonna play. I'm not gonna play 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: the game, guys, and then you get sidelined. Okay, we're 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: gonna get into all this. Don Lennon, is he out 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: at CNN as I speak to you right now? Or 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: is that just the rumor and what happened? And are 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: you surprised that mister Don lement as I believe Tucker 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: calls him has come out to say that women in 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: their forties should should just like give up basically, yeah, 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: I mean I should have packed it in a long 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: time ago. Uh No, I thought what he said was appalling, 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: and it shows how much he thinks he can get 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: away with that. That just came out without his two 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: female co hosts. It's not a surprise to him that 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: he's sitting next to two women. Poppy Harlowe is like 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: forty something. I know, it's it's absolutely crazy. Here's what 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: happened in that situation. He thought he could say something 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: terrible and personal and nasty and misogynistic about a Republican 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: woman and that everybody would be like, that's cool, because 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: often that's what happens, and so he thought he'd get 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: that little thrill, and then it turned out, Oh no, 35 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with two women, and they, at least 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: one of them thought I went a little far by 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: the way. Had I been on set, like, I have 38 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: no idea how exactly I would have reacted to that. 39 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: I think it would have been forceful. I think is 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: the word that I would go for. But I don't. 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what his status is because I'm not 42 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: on the inside track over at CNN right neither. I'm 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: actually unofficially bed so. My co host Clay Travis on 44 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: radio you know Well was officially banned from CNN for 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: talking about the First Amendment and boobs. I was unofficially 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: banned from CNN by Jeff Zucker when he saw me 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: and told me I wasn't welcome in the building, even 48 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: though I was there to visit a friend after I 49 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: was no longer in the employee of CNN because they 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: actually asked to extend a contributor contract for me there 51 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: and I said no, And I had no job and 52 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: no like no media job lined up, certainly no TV 53 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: income of any kind. At the time, I was like, 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm out. I can't do this anymore. So and now 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: your your time at CNN as people watch this will 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: be at its at its terminus, um, which is a 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: lot of fun. It's the best to get people right 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: as they're exiting the death star, the death star of 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: liberal lunacy. UM. I want to ask you, though, did 60 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker destroy CNN or did Donald Trump break CNN? 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: Like who's more responsible for CNN becoming the dumpster fire 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: that it is so obviously. Look, I think Zucker has 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: to take responsibility. He was in charge of CNN, like 64 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Trump's not in charge of CNN. You don't have to 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: do his bidding. You don't have to do the twenty 66 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: four seven pissing match? Am I allowed to say that? Yeah? 67 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: Said my thing Trump? Trump wanted to break CNN, right, 68 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: like that was his whole and I think that he succeeded. 69 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: But you're saying Zucker should have prevented the breakage of 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: CNN that yeah, right, you indulged this like sort of Yeah, 71 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: it's like a Manhattan rich guy pissing match in between 72 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: these two. You indulged it as an alleged newsman. He 73 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: could have said, no, this is not what we're doing. 74 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: But he chose to lean into it, right, which is 75 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: why I'm persona non grata, Like I was not leaning 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: into it. If you lean into it, you get on air. 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: If you don't, you don't get on air. So we 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: got to talk about what you did lean into the 79 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Tuban situation, or at least leading on Twitter with yeah. Yeah, 80 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: let's not get confused everybody with with Tuban? Who I 81 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: think if you're looking for an ignominious media moment, that 82 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: was captured on video, right. I mean a lot of 83 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: people do a lot of things. But if you're looking 84 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: for somebody who's doing crazy things that their colleagues are 85 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: actually a to see, that is I mean, that was 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: amazing just for a review for everybody. Jeffrey Tubin was 87 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: on I believe with The New Yorker, where he was 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: a long time yes, a long time contributor. He decided 89 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: to contribute something else and which was his naked to 90 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: form during that zoom call, and his colleagues saw him 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: and he was it is I think it is a 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: technically in flagrante delicto. I mean, is that what it is? 93 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: That is that only for the other thing? Correct? You 94 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I mean stuff was going on. 95 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what the Latin whether that would uh 96 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: auto erotica I think is actually perhaps so. But you 97 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: got in trouble because you tweeted about this. I mean 98 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: they actually took action against you for pointing out some 99 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: of the absurdity. Tell us what happened here with Tuban Gates. Well, 100 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: so Tuban was caught on tape doing this, This is 101 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: not disputed. There there are situations where a me too 102 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: accusation or something that goes on in the workplace is alleged, 103 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: but you don't actually know if it's real, and we 104 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: should be cognisitive that and like way these accusations, this 105 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: one was real, cut and dried, like we know what happened. 106 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: It was on video people's faces. You could say, okay, 107 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: so he so he ends up back on the network. 108 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, seven or eight months later, I believe 109 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: it was. Now the incident did not happen at a 110 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: CNN meeting. It happened at the Southern meeting. But I thought, 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about me too for like 112 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: four or five years now, and we're just gonna we're 113 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: just gonna welcome him back. Not just welcome him back, 114 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: but there was a full interview about the incident as 115 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: he was greeted back onto the air right so shortly 116 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: after that happened in January of I don't know what 117 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: is a year ago now, January of twenty twenty two, 118 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: I guess I got into a fight with Andrew Kazinski, 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: my colleague, on Twitter, about some coverage that CNN did 120 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: of the congregational baseball shooting. Because there I was like, no, 121 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't covered like it would have been covered if 122 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: it's Democrats. That's crazy to say, of course, Like let's 123 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: just let's just be honest about it. It faded in 124 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: like within forty eight hours from what we were talking about. Wait, 125 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just just kind of just just for review. 126 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: The Bernie Sanders supporters screaming about how this is for healthcare, 127 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 1: who tried to assassinate with a rifle and actually shot 128 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: Steve Scalise, but tried to assassinate about a dozen specifically 129 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: conservative members of Congress. That guy, that's who we're talking about, 130 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: which I think when you never let people go Wait, 131 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: that really was what. Yeah, he was screaming this is 132 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: for healthcare while he's shooting at members of Congress who 133 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: he made sure were Republicans beforehand. That's what he doubled checked. 134 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: He doubled checked that they were Republicans before he went 135 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: out to try to assassinate them en mass. Anyway, within 136 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: twenty four to thirty six hours, CNN had kind of 137 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: moved on from this story, and people were disputing this 138 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: online last year over some argument, and I was like, 139 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, look I was there twenty four hours later, 140 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: less than forty eight hours later, the news fans were gone. 141 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I was on TV at the congressional baseball game where 142 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: we're standing in front of the victims of this shooting, 143 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: and we were talking about wait for it, Mike Pence 144 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: got a lawyer. That was the story we were talking about. 145 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: So I put this on Twitter and Andrew Kazinski argues 146 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: with me about it, at which point I was like, 147 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: why you're going pretty hard on me about this, um, 148 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I feel like you never said anything about like Tuban 149 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: and Cuomo. And then it gets into like, well, this 150 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: is why you should have said something about Tuban. And 151 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: I said it explicitly and I got suspended without my 152 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: knowledge for the next six to seven months. So who 153 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: makes that decision within CNN? Like who does the who 154 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: put jail? This was Zucker. It was Zucker right right 155 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: from there. They told me later, Yeah, road road to 156 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: the defense of of Tuban. I really do think that 157 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: there was a there was a perception over there at CNN. 158 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing because now I think I think 159 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: that CNN it became such a to anybody who was 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: being objective, including democrats and leftists and liberals and other 161 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: people that I know who are honest about this kind 162 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: of stuff that it just became it just became a 163 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: joke because it kept holding itself out as some kind 164 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: of gold standard of journalism even during the Trump years. 165 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean, MSNBC, Yeah, they're like lunatic Marxists. I get it. 166 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: But but everyone knows that, I mean, there's not there's 167 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: not this game of we're doing the you know, gold standards, 168 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: straight down the middle journalism stuff, and CNN kind of 169 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: pretends that that's still what it is. And it's such 170 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: an obvious and laughable fraud that I wonder if if 171 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: it ever can recover, where does it go from here? Look, 172 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I mean I I do think that 173 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: the brand and took a drubbing during those years that 174 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you come back from. Because you 175 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: can you can sort of put on the face as 176 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: if you're doing the work you're doing during the journalistic work. 177 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Look at us, we're seeing in but people have changed 178 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: their habits and you're you're fighting this tide of people 179 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: having decided like this doesn't feel like CNN used to 180 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: feel when I turned to it for actual, you know, 181 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: breaking news coverage, which is a thing that CNN can 182 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: do well. It has bureaus all over the world and 183 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: can do that kind of stuff well, but it invested 184 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: in other things during the Zuccer years and those things 185 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: were not serving people. And so now you've got cord 186 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: cutters and everybody turning to online and alternative sources, and 187 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: why would they turn back. I don't understand how you 188 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: make the sale because there's already people who do hard 189 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: left commentary perfectly well, right, you don't. I'm not sure 190 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: you need a substitute for that. Yeah, I just don't 191 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: think it really has a place to go. I think 192 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: that Chris Lickt is the new guy, right, I don't 193 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: know what he can what he can really do with 194 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: that place other than try to make it. The real answer, 195 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: I think would be to make CNN here, here's my theory, 196 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: and I'll give this to them for free. Make CNN 197 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: in place where they really are doing both voices, and 198 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean really do both voices, meaning that you're gonna 199 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: have you know, it can't just be all the hosts 200 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: or Democrats and they have three out of four people 201 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: on or Democrat pundits that you know, it would have 202 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: to be. No, you're gonna have real people, because if 203 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: you had a place, I think in the media now 204 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: where people could have real debates, not the bull crap CNN, Oh, 205 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: you don't really get to say anything. We're gonna go 206 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: to this person the panel, and then we're gonna go 207 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: to commercial and you're just there to get punched in 208 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: the face as the conservative. I think that would be interesting. 209 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of miss I love the Hannity 210 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: and Combs days. Man, Like I remember back in the day, 211 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: even on Fox, you saw a lot more debate than 212 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: you do these days. But that was the medium, right, 213 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: And when I got into this business, I felt like 214 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: that's what we were signing up for. People like you 215 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: and me were going to be there and there'll be 216 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: some spirited exchanges and maybe even sometimes people will get 217 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: a little nasty and go crazy, and that would go viral. 218 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: And that's the way it is. That doesn't even happen anymore. 219 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's no offense. But if somebody goes in 220 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: CNN at CNN and says the Republican, I'm like, oh, 221 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: here we go, here's the like, here's a Republican. My 222 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: party has lost its way and all of our principles 223 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: are so wrong. I can't believe I was pro choice 224 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: all those years. I'm like, that's that's great, CNN, that's 225 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: really showing both sides. Yeah yeah, I um, that was 226 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: not me. And you can sort of track the trajectory 227 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: of my time there accordingly is that because I want 228 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: I like to mix it up. I like to be 229 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: a voice for people who are not in the room usually, 230 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: and that's a Republican if you're on any station, any 231 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: cable news network other than thoughts, right, I want to 232 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: be a voice for people who are not getting their 233 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: side heard. And to do that makes you a skunk 234 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: at the garden party. It really does. As you have experienced, 235 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: oh totally. So it was funny because I had the 236 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: experience of being at CNN. Initially, I really because there 237 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: was a lot this is the Obama I was there 238 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: for some of the Obama administration, right, and initially it 239 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: was oh, hey, wait, you actually did a lot of 240 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: counter terrorism work or you know whatever intelligence work. I 241 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: guess we'd be a better way to put it, you know, 242 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: a rock Afghanistan in these places for the CIA, and 243 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: I briefed the president a bunch of times, the Ovel 244 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: office and things like that it's like, so you can 245 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: actually do terrorism analysis and I and the answer was yes, 246 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: I could, and I was really good at that. Not 247 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: to be immdest but I knew that stuff backwards and 248 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: forwards at the time in a way that a lot 249 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: of their guys who had retired from the Air Force 250 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: twenty years ago just honestly didn't. But anyway, and they 251 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: were very cool with me going on to talk about 252 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: that stuff. In fact, I remember I got an Ada 253 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: boy once from Zucker himself after there was a Russian 254 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: assassination of a dissident right near Red Square and I 255 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: was dealing with it in real time because it had 256 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: just happened. And then the Trump phenomenon came. And I'm 257 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: telling you because then they're like, well, there's not really 258 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: we're not really talking terrorism. It's all Trump, all politics. 259 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: And they're like, wait, you're a Republican. What do you 260 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: think of Trump? And I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm gonna 261 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: vote for Trump, like Trump a Trump supporter. And I'm 262 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: telling you, it was just from then on either then 263 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: on I was they looked. They looked at me from 264 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: from the production assistance all the way up to Zucker 265 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: with disdain with disdain, which is such a shame because 266 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: what kind of news network are you if you have 267 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: fifty basically fifty percent of the voting public is unrepresented. 268 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Right Like, I didn't, I didn't vote for Trump. I 269 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: was like a Trump critical but reasonable conservative who never 270 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: went full like democrat. I guess never. I didn't do that, 271 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: uh and all during the Russia stuff. So that's how 272 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: I sort of that's all I started on the network. Right, 273 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: it's during the primaries, and I felt like we did 274 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: have some really good actual conversations between Trump supporters and myself. 275 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: It was more critical, and then it came to the 276 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: Russia stuff. And this is me for four years. I 277 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: don't think this is what you guys are saying. It 278 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: is man like. This doesn't I don't think this is 279 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: going to pan out. 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YEA Well, also, 303 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: there was no there was no accountability for it, and 304 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: in fact I've often said about that that it's wrong. 305 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: It was wrong when I say there's no accountability because 306 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: people actually got promoted or careers were. I mean someone 307 00:16:53,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: like Jim Acosta at CNN. By becoming this little anti Trump, 308 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: uh you know, smurf running around freaking out about Trump 309 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: all the time, Jim Acosta elevated his career and I'm 310 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: sure it made more money, bigger contract, everything else. You know, 311 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: there were others as well who were constantly doing the 312 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: same thing, constantly building themselves up and saying things that 313 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: were untrue, but they benefited from it. And I think 314 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: CNN was an example of that for individuals. But as 315 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: a network, the place is done. You know you and 316 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: because of our history we both have been there. It's 317 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: kind of like a this is a little bit of 318 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: a little bit of a therapy session. So there's some 319 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: other things I want to ask you about. But just 320 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, before we switched, we switched gears. Well one 321 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: thing to put a put a button on this, just 322 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: so everyone knows, because I was curious. Tuban was benched 323 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: for eight months for what he did, and I was 324 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: on the bench for seven months for tweeting about it. 325 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: That sounds about right, That sounds about right now. It's 326 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: a deeply unfair and honestly a grotesquely dishonest organization. Um 327 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: that not a single one of their anchors would have 328 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: the balls to have an unfiltered discussion with someone like 329 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: me about how utterly full of full of crap they are. 330 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: That's that's like, that's basically where we are at this point, 331 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: Like they would know to stay away from someone like me. Um, 332 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: you're a very you're a very polite, nice person. I 333 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: tend to get more angry about what I've seen in 334 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: CNN do, but it depends on the subject. But I 335 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: was gonna say, yeah, maybe maybe I'm you know, because 336 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: they what they've done and the way that they've gone 337 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: after people and the showing also stuff that the showing 338 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: up on you know, some woman's front lawn who was uh, 339 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, part of a Facebook group and some Russian 340 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: bod or something. I mean, just you know, going after 341 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: the guy who did the Nancy Pelosi is drunk meme. 342 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they became a nasty and vindictive organization of 343 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: dishonest people, UM with with very few exceptions that I 344 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: I just speaking about people's work. I mean they're people 345 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: that I know they're personally that I would say, Okay, 346 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: they're a nice enough person, but in terms of the 347 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: work that it right, But in terms of the work 348 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: that was on air, no, no, it really Yeah, the 349 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: mission of the network felt like what you're talking about 350 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: is what the mission felt like as as opposed to 351 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: individual personalities, which could be fine. Fine, I'll put it 352 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: out there. Anyone at CNN who wants to disagree with 353 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: me on this one, I would love to live my 354 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: radio show on CNN's air. No, Noah, pretaping, not like 355 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: the time that Brad Stelter had me on to debate 356 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: why is it Buck that you called this act of 357 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: terrorism Jihada's terrorism before anybody else. By the way, of course, 358 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: it turned out that I was right. We taped an 359 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: interview on this. They never aired it, never even told 360 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: me they were going to air it, to scrap the 361 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: because you look like such an idiot, because he is 362 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: an idiot. I'm like, why are you doing? Well? Yeah, 363 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm like Stelter, First of all, why are you debate 364 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: anything with me? Second of all, you're debate this with me? 365 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: Really do you want to tell like, you know, you 366 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: want to tell an NBA player how to do is 367 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: free throws? Like, what are you doing? Dude? It was 368 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: just crazy anyway, just there has to be accountability for 369 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: when they're wrong or when they're deceiving people, and they're 370 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: just isn't isn't, I know, And so you're not serving 371 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: the product that people need, craziness. So something else that 372 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: that I know you're you're a little fired up about. 373 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: I mentioned my my good friend, our friend Clay before 374 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: marching bands. Clay is a good sports guy, and he 375 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: has some thoughts about marching bands. I will tell you 376 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: before we get to the marching band's topic. It is 377 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: a big secret among certainly my audience listeners. I am 378 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: a classically trained musician. I do not share publicly what 379 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: the instrument is just because it's funny to hear. It's 380 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: funny to hear because it's obviously not like the guitar, 381 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: the piano or something cool or even like the violet. 382 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: Like it's definitely something that and everyone's like the obo, 383 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: the clarinet, the flute, the piccolo. I always appreciate that one. 384 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, somebody studied a little you know, classical 385 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: music or likes it. Um, but tell me this, to 386 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: tell me this dispute Clay thing, that there should be 387 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: no marching bands to move through college football faster you 388 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: as a marching band person, I think this is Yes, 389 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: this is an outrage. It's an outrage. Okay, First of all, 390 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: my guests would be bassoon. Second of all, good guess. 391 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: Second of all, Yes, So Clay is arguing that because 392 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: the college football gods are trying to change the game 393 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: to be quicker, which, like, I'm not even sure that 394 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: we need that, like unless it gets me more tailgating time? 395 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: Why why are we doing this anyway? So that needs 396 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: to be quicker. So they're trying to make some changes. 397 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: His argument is that you just chop out the ten 398 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: to twelve minutes of marching band from halftime and we're done. 399 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: I disagree because they deserve they deserve their moment. These 400 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: these nerds, and I'm one of them, so I'm allowed 401 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: to say it. They deserve their moment. They work very 402 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: hard and please imagine college football the soundtrack of the 403 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: marching band in the stands. Now, he will argue they 404 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: should just be in the stands. Came them in the stands, 405 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: But no, they have served us well and they deserve Okay, fine, 406 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: maybe you could cut it in a half. Do you 407 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: like a seven minute show? But we're not getting rid 408 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: of marching bands. It's part of the Americana. The experience 409 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: is not the same without them. Find another place. I 410 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: do have to ask you now as a as a 411 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: wife mother, are you mother of three? How many kids 412 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: do you have now? Four children? Four? As a mother 413 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: of four and a woman who is who is herself 414 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: likes the sports athletics, plays and watches, what is your 415 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: take on cheerleaders at college football games? Do we are 416 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: we fully supportive of this or is this out of 417 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: course by they're extremely good athletes. First of all, like 418 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: the tumbling is a saying, and I have several family 419 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: members who have been cheerleaders, so I can't I can't 420 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: hate it was not my sport of choice. Uh, because 421 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: I did play the fact that I was also in 422 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: marching band, I was covering a lot of basses, Okay, 423 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: fuck I was, I was. I was a well rounded 424 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: high school student, okay. And uh, and so I was 425 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: playing the clarinet, but I was also playing soccer. But no, 426 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm pro. I'm pro pro cheerleader. Okay. Se It's 427 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: funny because when you say it it sounds somehow empowering 428 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: to women, But when I or Clay it says we're 429 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: pro cheerlead. Urban's like, oh, yeah, of course you are. 430 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, I experienced my first by the way, 431 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: I have to I have to look this up, but 432 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: I believe I tweeted in support of the First Amendment 433 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: in Boobs and I somehow didn't get benched for that one. Wow. Yeah, 434 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: that's a that's a thing that that's the thing that 435 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: can happen. Apparently I remember that one either went maybe 436 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: it went into the radar or Zucker actually secretly agreed 437 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: with me. I don't know. Yeh, role dolf. Let's tell 438 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: you we are roll golf for a minute here, because 439 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: you you draw this one of my attention I was 440 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: think of. Well, actually, the one that I think I 441 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: probably think of first is James and the Giant Peach, 442 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: which is that that's world all right. I don't want 443 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: to be this is like, this reminds me of because 444 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: I took as an extra class, not part of the 445 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: core curriculum or a main curriculum. But I took um 446 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: like music theory and classical music when I was in college, 447 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: as one does when they're applying a nerd instrument that 448 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: they'll never tell their audience because they'll never they'll never 449 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: live it down. But I do remember that the intro 450 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: class or music was very and that there were there 451 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: were members I'm I'm not trying I'm not trying to 452 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: cast aspersions here, but there were members of the football 453 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: team who also because this was a a gut class 454 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: and that was right, so it was like not a 455 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 1: hard class. So they're there were the nerds who were 456 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: into the actual and you could just sort of sit 457 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: in the back and like not really do anything, and 458 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: it was almost like a music appreciation class. And there 459 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: were a few of them who handed in an analysis 460 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: of PoCA Bells Cannon I Bach, which I thought was really, yes, 461 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: the whole you know, the whole thing. So I'm trying 462 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: Roll Doll, I believe Roach, Giant James and the Giant Peach, right, 463 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: So you're correct, that is a good Yeah, you're not 464 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: misnaming that one. So what is your favorite? Your favorite 465 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: Roll Doll book? Probably The Witches, which I found to 466 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: be like the most frightening thing i'd ever written read 467 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: when I was like nine years old. I was hiding 468 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: in my room. I'm like, oh my god, this is traumatic, 469 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: which I remember renting from Blockbuster, because we are contemporaries, 470 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: and that is a thing. I remember those witches. This 471 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: scared the crap out of me. I mean that it 472 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: didn't scare me quite as much as like The Exorcist, 473 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: which came along later, but that, but it was pretty scary, right, So, yes, 474 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: it was horrifying. What's more horrifying is if you read 475 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: it to your children and they're not horrified at all, 476 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: which is what happened to me. I was like, girls, 477 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: how can you not be concerned about this? But they 478 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: were like, I mean, it seems kind of light to us. 479 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: I was like, what kind of warriors have I created? 480 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: But the point being that they're they're not snowflakes. But 481 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: the way is and to own the rights to Roll 482 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: Doll books, which if you've read any Roll Doll books 483 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: you know are full of adults and villains who are 484 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: disgusting and fat and ugly, and he makes it very 485 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: clear that these are their characteristics. And now, because that's 486 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: considered problematic, the estate that owns the rights to his 487 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: books is now changing the books and editing them to 488 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: take out words like fat and to take out descriptions 489 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: that might be problematic. And it is very it's very 490 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: super creepy and in fantalizing. It's also just terrible writing 491 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: because they take these lovely phrases like it ish hilarious, 492 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: mean insults and turn them into just mush to nothing. 493 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: And of course this this is not considered censorship or 494 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: book banning by the left. But changing curriculum or having 495 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: age limits for very adult material in school libraries, that 496 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: is censorship of the highest degree. But actually changing this 497 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: man's writing after he dies and then only publishing that 498 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: and censoring it for everyone. Not a problem, Not a problem, guys. 499 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you know, I wasn't. I've never read 500 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: the Harry Potter books. First of all, what they're doing, 501 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: what they're doing a role doll is is completely insane. 502 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: I think they've they've been going after a lot of 503 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: I didn't. Isn't Doctor Seuss also problematic for some There's 504 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: there's some issue with Doctor Seuss books too. I can't 505 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: write there aren't they're racist or something? Right, there's like 506 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: tropes in them that they there's there's problematic portrayals them 507 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: and so there are so longer published and uh, like 508 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, these are these are the kinds of things 509 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: where by the way, when books are actually banned, what 510 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: you have to do is you go have to find them, 511 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: like on a black market or on eBay or something right, 512 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: and that that's what you have to do. Now with 513 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: the old versions of Rold Dull and Doctor SEUs, the 514 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: uncensored versions. It's so funny too, because you know you'll 515 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: see these You'll see these leftists who will tweet out 516 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: a photo that this is my bookshelf of banned stuff 517 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: and it's like hypersexualized content that they were giving to 518 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: first graders, and they don't understand that that's that's not 519 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: being banned. That's just like, don't be a sick weirdo. 520 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: But as a conservative or as somebody who's just a rationalist, 521 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: a reasonable person, you could create a whole bookshelf. Now me, 522 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: you think about it. Who's canceled Doctor SEUs, Road, Rudyard Kipling, 523 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, go go, you go down the list, and 524 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: depending on what you're looking for, you can find Shakespeare, 525 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: come on that guy. Lots of stuff either real no, 526 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: super problematic. Yeah, he was not woke at all. It's 527 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: gonna be an issue. Do you think woke people are 528 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: all miserable? It's something I always think about. I really 529 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: think that they're even if they no matter how good looking, wealthy, successful, whatever, 530 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: if they truly believe this stuff, if they're truly woke, 531 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: they lead a life of misery. This is my belief. 532 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: So it depends on how much joy they're getting out 533 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: of the pack comes from the victimhood they're claiming, right, 534 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: because that's the whole game. So if you enjoy that 535 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: sort of power, and I think a lot of people, 536 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: particularly during COVID, with the signaling and being able to 537 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: boss everybody around, it became apparent to me that a 538 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: lot of people really enjoy that in a way that 539 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: I do not. I don't have any interest in telling 540 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: you what to do, but a lot of people do, 541 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: and so there is some enjoyment there. But it seems 542 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: like such a terrible existence to me. To spend all 543 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: of your time thinking about this hierarchy of the victimhood 544 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: and where you claim your power, or by claiming that 545 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: victimhood and just reacting to everything in the most hysterical 546 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: way possible. Not a life I want to live. I 547 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: have four, you know, irrational human beings I'm trying to 548 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: raise like I got. I'm really they've cornered the market 549 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: on my ability to deal with that stuff you mentioned. 550 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: There are a few things that I think get me 551 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: more fired up than the COVID restriction stuff. Just because 552 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: I was in New York City for all of the pandemic. 553 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I, you know, would leave occasionally, I would 554 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: I would escape to Florida, where I now live. Yes, 555 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: because I just couldn't couldn't deal with it anymore. And 556 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: I was also very early and this is all a 557 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: matter of record, thanks and things like Twitter, I was 558 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: very early meeting April. I wanted to reopen for full 559 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: reopen and forget everything by Easter of twenty twenty. I 560 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: was like, this is crazy. I don't know what anyone 561 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: thinks we're doing here. This is and it was, oh, 562 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: you're a grandma murderer. And so just extrapolate from that, 563 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: masks don't work, which I was saying earlier. I've gotten, 564 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: I've gotten, you know, YouTube and and all these things. 565 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: I was getting banned and suspended and all the time 566 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: for these things. They were wrong about absolutely everything. I 567 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: just got back from honeymoon, which is great, by the way, fantastic. Yeah, 568 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: oh yes, congratulations to you, Thank you very much. Yeah. Married. 569 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: Now I gotta I gotta catch up. You got four 570 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: kids that we're you know, we're we gotta we gotta 571 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: make some some some babies happen here. But I'm working 572 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: on it. I'm working on it, um. But you know, 573 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: you you look at LAX for example. I mean, I 574 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: just I just came through LAX. I'm not going to 575 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: pretend that it's everybody, but because obviously it's a it's 576 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: a small group. I'd say five percent of LAX. When 577 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: you're walking around, one out of twenty people are still 578 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: wearing a mask. And I honestly think that they're emotionally 579 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: they've been emotionally traumatized by their own tribe, and that's 580 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: what's really happened. I'm like, they can't turn it off now. No, 581 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of people are. It's 582 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: very sad because myopically protecting yourself from very small physical 583 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: risks at the loss of your emotional well being and 584 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: the fulfillment of your life its purpose is really really bad. 585 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that, and your government shouldn't do that 586 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: to you, which is what it attempted to do for 587 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: three years. And there were people who spoke out about it. 588 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: But look, I went to a children's museum with my 589 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: kids today, and the protocols before I went because I 590 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: don't take my kids to places they can enjoy, right, 591 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: And it says, oh that they are going to enforce 592 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: masking on unvaccinated people over five, And I'm like, is 593 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: this real? 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I in my New York 630 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: City apartment building I lived in, I used to live in. 631 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: It's like a sixty five story building and you know, 632 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: huge building, and so it had a pretty big gym 633 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: in the building, even after the all clear and the 634 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: gyms were open and everything like that. I mean, not 635 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: the all clear, but you know, even after they reopened, 636 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: and you don't have to wear masks anymore. Basically, when 637 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: the vaccine rollout happened, they left all the you must 638 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: mask up signs even though the policy changed. So they 639 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: sent out an email saying, you don't have to mask 640 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: up anymore, but all the signage stayed up. And I 641 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: walked around, and there are people that do it. I 642 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: literally pulled down, one after another all of these signs 643 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: and threw them in the trash. And I was walking 644 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: around like, hey, who pulled down the signs? Man? That's 645 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: all those Like? Why were they? It's like, because the 646 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: whole point of the exercise was the psychological control. The 647 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: whole point of the exercise was compliance training based on 648 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: whatever the apparatus decided at any point, And so I 649 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: refuse it. It was, you know, even to this day, 650 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: you see and um I was coming through I went 651 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: through a bunch of airports because I was in the 652 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: South Pacific, I was in French Polynesia. It's very nice, 653 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: highly recommended. But even in the airport in uh then Papiette, 654 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: which is the main city in French Polynesian Tahiti, and 655 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: even the airport, you'll see you know, must wear a mask, 656 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: signs all over the place. To me, it's like the 657 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: the I don't know if you ever see these. I've 658 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: seen these before because they have them in New York. 659 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: They used to have these old weird things, like a 660 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: little symbol that you would see on some buildings. And 661 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: I learned one day these are nuclear fallout shelters. Okay, 662 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: there were nuclear fallouts. They're still they're still sitting there. 663 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: You're just in case. And I kind of want to 664 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: tell everybody if they ever have to really get you 665 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: in the nuclear fallout shelter, you probably want to go 666 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: in the first wave. Like it's probably too late, right right, 667 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: what's your philosophy on that? No, I my uh, I 668 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: think I would. I was probably a little later than 669 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: you to the game on the lockdown stuff. And like 670 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: this everybody was but yes, yeah, but I think by 671 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: it was in April of twenty twenty that we're sending 672 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: out questionnaires to parents about whether you'd send your kids 673 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: to school, and I was like just mashing every button, 674 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: like yes, yes, my children can go to school. Yes 675 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: I will sit in them in person, Yes I will 676 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: do this. And it made absolutely no difference because they 677 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: weren't interested in a person like me who had a 678 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: rational assessment of whether this was dangerous to my children 679 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: and figured out very quickly that it seemed not to 680 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: be and that school might be the better option than oh, 681 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. Keeping most every metro areas millions of 682 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: children out of a regular school's schedule for more than 683 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: a year eighteen months in some places it was appalling. 684 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: And to watch Randy Wine Garden, you know, the head 685 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: of what is it the American Federation of Teachers or 686 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: is it the other one? I always so there's the 687 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: two big tea yea, yeah, she's aft. So to watch 688 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Randy Wine Garden go around and act like she want 689 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: recently in the last six months that she was an 690 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: advocate for schools opening. Look, I think this is a 691 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: problem that that Trump is going to have to deal 692 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: with now in the primary, which is that twenty twenty 693 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: was absolutely mishandled. From a COVID perspective, things were wrong 694 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: in the beginning. Fine, I just want to say to everybody, 695 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: you got a sixty day window, which I think is 696 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: pretty generous to just be like, look this crazy. You 697 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: know how many people are gonna die. I don't know 698 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: what's going on. We're all scared. After that, you're responsible 699 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: for the decisions you're making because you have data here 700 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: in America. And Fauci was able to Fouci, and Lenski 701 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: was able well not Lenski. Game later, who's the other one? Burkes? 702 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: Burkes was able to burs and Randy Weinarden was able 703 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: to dictate and whether schools would open. I mean, the 704 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: stuff that was allowed to happen, and I'm not willing 705 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: to let this stuff go. I guess that's kind of 706 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: I would have a hard time at this point being 707 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: spending spending a lot of time around somebody, for example, 708 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: who isn't embarrassed by the notion of masking, who doesn't 709 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: realize what a sham the whole thing was, Like, I 710 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: would I would have a difficult time being around that 711 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: person for an extended period of time. Now, I think 712 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: you're right. There are policy differences that will be hashed 713 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: out in a primary on this, and there are records 714 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: to talk about on this, and so I think that's 715 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: going to be interesting and it's interesting to see how 716 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: you do that because I'm with you where I'm like, 717 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: people need to admit that they were wrong or else 718 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: we're just going to do this again. Yes, it's very 719 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: obvious to me that that's what's coming. However, how do 720 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: you run a political campaign where you adjudicate that don't 721 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: look backwards looking versus forwards looking. That's what I'm a 722 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: little worried about with Republicans because I think that I 723 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: think they're need a reckoning about this, and I'm not 724 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: sure how you do it without sounding two backwards looking 725 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: as opposed to the opposite. Yeah, I I also worry 726 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: that Republicans I have, well, I have a lot of worries. 727 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: There's a whole other podcasts we have to do about 728 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: the things I'm concerned about when it comes to the 729 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: Republican Party. Right now, I feel like we are not 730 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: learning the lessons we should learn from from painful election 731 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: losses in the last two cycles. What do you think 732 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, yeah, Look, I it's I've never had 733 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot of faith in politicians in general, even the 734 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: ones that I tend to like, so I'm not terribly 735 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: surprised when they don't learn from these things. But I think, look, 736 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: we have seen in several cycles that there's a bunch 737 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: of people. Oh, let's just take Yunkin in Virginia for instance. Right, 738 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: He's a guy who runs in Virginia and appeals to 739 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: basically the demographic that I am not to be too 740 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: self referential, but a like pretty normy, suburban, dicated mob 741 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: who's mad about school closings. But maybe he doesn't go 742 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: towards a more trump a line candidate, right, And Younkin 743 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: walked this very skillful line where he ended up bringing 744 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: out plenty of rural voters, but so brought out people 745 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: in northern Virginia who wouldn't otherwise vote for Republicans, and like, 746 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: if you can't do that, you're not gonna win in 747 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: these purple areas. Right, But I think that I think 748 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: that you can walk that line and you can be 749 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: smart about the facts you're marshaling, which he was on schools, 750 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: which Ronda Santis has repeatedly on dealing with COVID. He's 751 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: marshaling facts, he's telling people, look, this is the way, 752 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: this is where the data points. And I think that 753 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: smart approach instead of a more I don't know, brash 754 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,280 Speaker 1: like bullying approach which desile right. I think can people 755 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: in my demographic do you think that the Democrat Party 756 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: and this I like to remind people Joe Biden, the 757 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: White House, they have officially weighed in on gender transition 758 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: for kids. I mean, this is White House policy. This 759 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: is this is not just activists. This is from the 760 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: absolute top of the Democrat Party on down. Do you 761 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: think the men can get pregnant phenomenon from Democrats? Could 762 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: cost them if Republicans explain that this is just part 763 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: of a broader campaign of crazy, I think that can 764 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: matter a lot. And I think it matters in Northern 765 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 1: Virginia getting some of those folks as an example, because 766 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: I was close to it and it had a lot 767 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: of these issues at play. But these policy for folks, 768 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people out there who 769 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: are not haters, who are nonetheless unwilling to believe that 770 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: their daughters are sons or their sons are daughters just 771 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: because a school counselor said so, Like that's not a 772 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: thing that most voters are okay with, and having that 773 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: pushed via their public schools that they're paying for, which 774 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: buys down for a year, like it makes they're not 775 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: learning to read, but we're doing this. Yeah. I think 776 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: the radical agenda of the left as it pertains to 777 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: kids in school and as it pertains to equity and 778 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: inclusion is if the Republicans just get it together and 779 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: really message properly on this. I just think the Democrats, one, 780 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: I think they can't win on those arguments, and I 781 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: think that they're sixty forty maybe even seventy thirty issues. Well, 782 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: actually the kids and the gender thing more like a 783 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: ninety five five issue. But the equity and inclusion stuff, 784 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean affirmative action. Really. For example, affirmative action in 785 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: America is an eighty twenty issue at this point, meaning 786 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: about eighty percent of the country's like, you really shouldn't 787 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: be doing this stuff anymore. Yeah, But the press remarkably 788 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: has no concept of that, none, none, Like the school 789 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: does things. I pitched people on stories about how this 790 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: school closing stuff is really going to matter in this 791 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: governor's race in Virginia, and several publications are like, now, 792 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't really think that's a thing. Wow, yeah, Okay, 793 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: we'll see. Yeah. They could probably go work at CNN. 794 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 1: Mary Kathery ham everybody mkh the Hammer. Go check out 795 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: Getting Hammered her podcast, Mary Katherine hamm Yeah on sub stack. 796 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: She's gonna be letting it fly as she is now, 797 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: we're sued to be a totally free agent in the 798 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: world of media. We look forward to our next stuff. 799 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: Please come back and hang out this again. There's a 800 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: lot of fun. We could have covered a whole lot 801 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: more stuff, and next time around we will. Thanks for 802 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: hanging out, of course, glad to be here.