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Speaker 2: A website isn't a very marketable tool until the time

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Speaker 2: When that happens, hotels and motels will change how they

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Speaker 2: David James, Vivid Video.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of computer nerds emerging as porno kings.

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Speaker 4: Bob Guccioni, founder of Penhouse.

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Speaker 5: Sex sells if widgets sold as good as sex, I'd

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Speaker 6: Welcome to Jena World. Welcome back to Jenna World. I'm

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Speaker 6: your host, Molly Lambert. This is episode seven Cybersex. Jenna

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Speaker 6: Jamison continues her mainstream media tour with an appearance on

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Speaker 6: The Jerry Springer Show, the popular daytime talk show known

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Speaker 7: Do you like to watch?

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Speaker 8: Well, you're gonna love this, Jenna.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show, Jerry Spring talk show host.

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Speaker 6: Jenna comes out in a low cut black catsuit with

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Speaker 6: Jerry starts a full court press, trying to get Jenna

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Speaker 9: Sex is supposed to be really intimate.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's personal.

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Speaker 4: Because you're getting directed there, I'm.

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Speaker 7: You know how that is, Jerry.

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Speaker 8: But the more I do it, the better time I have,

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Speaker 8: I think the sex we have in movies is completely

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Speaker 7: Home with my husband.

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Speaker 8: I'm making love with my husband. I'm intimate with my husband.

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Speaker 7: That's my job.

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Speaker 6: Ginger Land gives birth on March thirty first, nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 6: A nineties Vivid girl named Diana Lauren gets paid a

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Speaker 1: Everyone told me I should build a website about the

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Speaker 6: The first person to cash in on the Internet's potential

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Speaker 6: Danny Ash. Danny Ash has amateur appeal. She sells herself

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Speaker 6: This concept will eventually flood the Internet, but at first

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Internet is almost like a parallel universe.

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Speaker 7: It's all there.

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Speaker 1: It's a mirror of us, and sometimes, you know, we

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Speaker 6: Danny Ash is born Leah Manzeri in Beaufort, South Carolina,

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Speaker 6: She has natural thirty two double f size breasts.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm an exhibitionist, but that's not quite true.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason is that I developed bread. It's

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Speaker 6: At age twenty two, danny Ash moves to La to

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Speaker 6: Danny decides she needs a career change where she can

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Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a geek.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm a geek with big breasts.

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Speaker 6: Danny starts going on usenet newsgroups, a precursor to Internet forums.

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Speaker 6: Danny ash reads an HTML manual and teaches herself rudimentary coding.

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Speaker 1: I think that the average visitor to Danny's hard Drive

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Speaker 6: The site is so overloaded with traffic after launching that

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Speaker 1: Last year, Danny's hard Drive made six point five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: This year we expect to make eight million. We've had

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Speaker 6: By nineteen ninety six, the Internet sexual revolution is well underway.

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Speaker 13: Wendy Simpson Safe Surf.

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Speaker 6: Online sexual content is frictionless and fluidless. It can be

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Speaker 18: The issue of privacy is huge. The online sex industry

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Speaker 18: is promise is you don't have to be peewee Herman,

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Speaker 6: By the mid nineties, the Internet is still just a

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Speaker 6: By nineteen ninety six, the online sector is netting around

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Speaker 19: We have customers who spend one hundred and fifty dollars

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Speaker 19: They fall in love. Barbara Bailey, owner of videophone sex

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Speaker 6: Danny ash and others like her, clock early on that

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Speaker 6: But there's already an established precedent for the internet's sex business,

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Speaker 4: What is the net. It's just a phone call with pictures,

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Speaker 4: Tim Elliott, president of the Teleservices Industry Association.

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Speaker 20: Phone sex was the first leap into interactivity. It's interactive

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Speaker 20: in a way that video could never be. Everybody's moving

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Speaker 6: The phone sex industry is pioneered by Gloria Leonard, the

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Speaker 6: Phone sex lines take the interactivity of peep shows and

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Speaker 5: Look at Viacom, Time Warner or the contents of Cablevision.

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Speaker 5: I was always fascinated by Ian. I always wanted to

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Speaker 6: By the early nineties, phone sex is a sixty million

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Speaker 4: I still have that number.

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Speaker 6: The technology is primitive at first. One nine hundred Gets

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Speaker 6: Hotline gold Rush hits a snag in nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 6: After nineteen ninety five, hotlines are limited to eight hundred

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Speaker 5: That's what it's going to take to make money on

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Speaker 6: Seth tries out early video conferencing technology called CEU see me,

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Speaker 4: It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: This was not just phone sex, This was not just

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Speaker 4: I'd never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 5: I think we scared them, so we decided to copy

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Speaker 4: Doing, and we took it to a whole new level.

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Speaker 6: Sethwarshovsky puts three million dollars into a new business venture

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Speaker 6: Speed T three Internet connections, twenty six servers, and forty

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Speaker 6: eight PC computers. IG's first venture is a camgirl site

438
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 6: originally called Candyland until they get sued by Hasbro, makers

439
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 6: of the children's board game Candyland. Warshovsky buys a warehouse

440
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 6: in downtown Seattle by the waterfront and converts it into

441
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 6: a studio for IEG. After the Hasbro copyright infringement suit,

442
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 6: Candyland dot Com rebrands as Clublove dot Com. IG hires

443
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 6: eight graphic designers and three computer programmers who work on

444
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 6: compression techniques, while IEG's twenty customer service representatives work customers

445
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 6: over the phone to coax credit card numbers out of them.

446
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 6: Seth starts another new company called Interfund Financial Services that

447
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 6: in cryp's credit card charges so they don't appear on statements.

448
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 6: Since shame and privacy are a major hurdle for getting

449
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 6: people to buy adult services online.

450
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 5: If you're going to take money from somebody, you want

451
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: to make it the easiest thing in the world.

452
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 6: Warshovsky's partner in IIG is a woman named Ruth Parasol,

453
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 6: a Californian child of a Swedish mother and a Jewish

454
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 6: Polish Holocaust survivor father named Richard Parasol. Her parents ran

455
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 6: a successful chain of massage parlors in San Francisco's Tenderloin

456
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 6: red Light district in the seventies and then invested into

457
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 6: phone sex lines. Ruth Parasol grew up in Marin County,

458
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 6: went to law school, and then got into the family

459
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 6: business of phone sex. In nineteen ninety six, Ruth Parasol

460
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 6: sells her interest in IIG to Warshovski and moves into

461
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 6: another lucrative new business sector, online gambling, starting a website

462
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 6: called pardipoker dot com. While many in tech nineteen nineties

463
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 6: gold Rush are promising they'll soon be able to deliver fast,

464
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Speaker 6: high quality video streaming technology for video conferencing, it's in

465
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Speaker 6: the adult entertainment sector where that tech is developed first,

466
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: and best IEG has the thing the rest of the

467
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 6: Internet desires most. Streaming live video it may be glitchy

468
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 6: and slow, but it has naked women, and it's accessible

469
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 6: through the touch of a button. The future that was

470
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Speaker 6: promised by computers.

471
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Speaker 3: The adult firms are simply more willing to try new technologies.

472
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Speaker 4: Mark H.

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Speaker 6: Bell Bell Technology, Bell Technology, who provide video services for

474
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Speaker 6: Microsoft and General Electrics NBC Network beta test new technology

475
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Speaker 6: with adult companies. Penthouse tests and experiment new software with

476
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 6: live online video channels whose layout mimics cable TVs. Playboy

477
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 6: has been selling a digital version of their print magazine

478
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 6: since nineteen eighty seven, but struggles to compete with the

479
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 6: new web companies like IEG, so Playboy leans into its

480
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 6: signature formula gauzy, softcore photos of naked chicks with smart

481
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 6: women working behind the scenes, women like Eileen Kent, who

482
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 6: becomes Playboy's first Vice president of New Media. Kent is

483
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 6: an early adopter of new technology who sets up a

484
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 6: bulletin board system for the Playboy staff and helps to

485
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 6: shepherd the magazine's move online. Playboy holds a publicity stunt

486
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 6: model call for a feature called Girls of the Net.

487
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Speaker 13: We don't just appeal to the libido, we appeal to

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Speaker 13: the intellect. We are looking for women who know how

489
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 13: to use computers, who're working on their careers, rather than

490
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Speaker 13: objectifying women like some people say we do. The Internet

491
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 13: stands for freedom, and the philosophy of the Internet is

492
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 13: the same as the Playboy philosophy. Eileen Kent Playboy.

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Speaker 6: Much like Stephen Hirsch thought would happen with the rise

494
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Speaker 6: of video. Eileen Kent believes that the anonymity allowed by

495
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 6: the Internet will bring a new audience of women to Playboy.

496
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 7: While there is a stigma.

497
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 6: Associated with buying a dirty magazine or renting a porno tape,

498
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 6: the Internet is an ultra private, seeming place emphasis on

499
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 6: seeming to look at horny images. Eileen Kent is also

500
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 6: the brains behind Playboy launching an official glossy magazine website

501
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 6: at playboy dot com and a secondary website just for

502
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 6: paywalled adult content at cyber dot playboy dot com. There's

503
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 6: also the cyber Club, in reference to Hugh Haffner's Playboy Club,

504
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 6: a message board where you can talk about and maybe

505
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 6: even two the beautiful playmates from the magazine.

506
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 13: What Playboy has always done is to teach men how

507
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 13: to behave around women, which boils down to don't be

508
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 13: a jerk. Women love to talk and offer counterpoint. Now

509
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 13: we're offering them the tools to speak their minds.

510
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 6: The first major attempt to legally regulate content on the

511
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Speaker 6: Internet is the Communications Decency Act, part of the Telecommunications

512
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: Act of nineteen ninety six. The CDA would criminalize the

513
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Speaker 6: transmission of obscene material to minors, but nineteen ninety seven's

514
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 6: landmark Reno Versus American Civil Liberties Union Supreme Court decision

515
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 6: rules unanimously that the Communications Decency Act would violate First

516
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 6: Amendment protections of free speech. It is the first major

517
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 6: Supreme Court ruling on Internet content regulation and a tremendous

518
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 6: win for pornographers.

519
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: You never really lose.

520
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: It's cheaper to produce than mainstream content, and it's easy

521
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 5: to sell.

522
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 6: By nineteen ninety seven, Seth Warshovski is twenty four and

523
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 6: making twenty million bucks a year from IEG's pay sites

524
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 6: hosting some of the first camgirls who strip and masturbate

525
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 6: on camera. Low res as they might be, the streams

526
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 6: are immediate and somewhat interactive. By nineteen ninety seven, there

527
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 6: are twenty eight thousand sex websites. According to one survey

528
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 6: of the new industry, Some of them sell explicit videos

529
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 6: or stills, but it also counts stuff like free erotica

530
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 6: stories and a bulletin board site developed by a computer

531
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Speaker 6: programmer in Houston called the Masturbation Homepage where commenters share

532
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 6: anonymous stories about masturbating. By nineteen ninety seven, it is

533
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Speaker 6: estimated that approximately thirty percent of people who use computers

534
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 6: have used them to look at some form of adult

535
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 6: content online.

536
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: With sex, you're hitting a few key areas. Number one one,

537
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 4: it's anonymous.

538
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: Number two, everybody has a desire for it, everybody.

539
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: Number three it's a very impulsive.

540
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 5: Purchase, and you provide them with an immediate delivery so

541
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Speaker 5: they can gratify their desire.

542
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: But while eyes are moving online, they are not necessarily

543
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 6: followed by wallets. Most late nineties adult websites can only

544
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 6: monetize nickel and dimes off of ad banner clicks. Only

545
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 6: a handful of people like Danny ash and Sethwarshovski are

546
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 6: making real money from hard content sales. By nineteen ninety seven,

547
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 6: online sexual revenue numbers range somewhere between one hundred million

548
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 6: and three billion dollars, which is a very wide spread.

549
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 6: One thing's for sure, they are climbing astronomically, and traditional

550
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 6: porn studios like Vivid are watching cautiously to see how

551
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 6: the legality shakes out.

552
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Speaker 12: We feel that at some point there will be legal

553
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 12: action taken against the US based site that shares hardcore material.

554
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 12: We're a high profile company. We'll have to see what

555
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 12: happens with some of the people who take that shut.

556
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 22: What we're doing is providing entertainment that is protected by

557
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 22: the First Amendment. We're adhering to capitalist principles and a

558
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 22: strict construction of the Constitution. I don't see a problem

559
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 22: with people doing business just to make money. That's what

560
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 22: business is. Derek Newman ieg.

561
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 6: And while they're already doing it in Europe, there's still

562
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 6: no hardcore sexual content online in America because companies fear

563
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 6: the potential legal repercussions. So in the late nineties, most

564
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 6: online sex content is limited to softcore Anthony Bourdain voice

565
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 6: no penetration, until a Florida company named Webpower, behind the

566
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 6: site Amateurhardcore dot Com, starts testing the limits of online

567
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 6: free speech by post allegedly amateur sex videos that show

568
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 6: real erections and full on penetration. A web usage tracker

569
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 6: says amateur hardcore dot com is the sixteenth most visited

570
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 6: website in nineteen ninety seven, way ahead of site views

571
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 6: for mainstream media companies like CNN dot com and Disney

572
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 6: dot com. The wars over Internet content and free speech

573
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 6: are progressing in American courts, and so far they are

574
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Speaker 6: tipping in favor of First Amendment protections for free speech online.

575
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 5: This is a high margin product that's in demand. People

576
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 5: want to pay top dollar for it. I don't mix

577
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 5: business with pleasure. The woman at the arcade that doesn't

578
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 5: excite me. When we first saw that phone sex commercial,

579
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 5: was like, hey, not only will we make a fortune,

580
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 5: but we'll meet tons of women dead lasted about a week.

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Speaker 4: It's just so normal for me now.

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Speaker 6: Twshovski's Clublove dot com website might not be an established

583
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 6: name like Penthouse or Playboy, but by the late nineties

584
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Speaker 6: IIG is way out earning the much bigger legacy brands.

585
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 6: IIG makes us secondary buck selling software packages to other

586
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 6: new adult sites because it's cheaper than sites paying for

587
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 6: production themselves. Because livecam technology is so new, it requires

588
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 6: putting a lot of money down for new equipment in

589
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 6: studios and has a digital learning curve, so a lot

590
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 6: of new companies outsource tech and troubleshooting to companies like

591
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 6: Danny Ashes or IIG. Stephen Hirsch contracts IIG to build

592
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Speaker 6: vivid dot COM's website for them.

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00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 12: Seth is a pioneer, he has a vision. He's very

594
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 12: talented and very creative, and in this industry there are

595
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 12: only a few people like that.

596
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 6: When General World returns, the Internet sex gold Rush goes

597
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 6: for Broke. Welcome back to General World. Internet Entertainment Group

598
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 6: also has cam boys whose live feeds appear on gay

599
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 6: adult websites like steel City and Vivid's gay imprint Vivid Man.

600
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 6: In addition to web companies grinding out a constant feed

601
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 6: of new original online content, there are also bootleg operations

602
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 6: posting galleries of digitally scanned images of centerfolds and porn stars.

603
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 6: This type of content stolen and posted in violation of

604
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 6: copyright laws is known as pirated content. IEG doesn't pirate,

605
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 6: but it double dips, selling the same camgirl feeds to

606
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 6: multiple sites at a time. The IEG cam feeds run

607
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 6: on sites with names like Buttsville and AlleyCats with a z.

608
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 6: AlleyCats is run by two guys who go by the

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00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 6: nicknames Kizzie and Cheese. AlleyCats is one of the first

610
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 6: sites to use pornstar's images as lures to draw clicks,

611
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 6: the very same way Showgirls were used to lure customers

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00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 6: into casinos to spend money. Kizzie and Cheese break fig

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Speaker 6: with Alley Cats after they add IEG's streams to the sites,

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Speaker 6: and their sudden financial windfall enables them to move into

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Speaker 6: a mansion in the Hollywood Hills. After making two million

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00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 6: dollars in nineteen ninety six, they sell off half the

617
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Speaker 6: company for a million bucks to some Beverly Hills real

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Speaker 6: estate developers. Kizzie and Cheese put that million into a

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Speaker 6: new website called Sportsbook, a sports gambling website based in Aruba.

620
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 6: Online gambling booms through extra legal loopholes, as internet porn

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Speaker 6: is also financially taking off. The world Wide Web is

622
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 6: the newest wild West, and there's gold in them bar Hills.

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Speaker 23: We intend to be a joyous nexus in the lives

624
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 23: of our users, and there's money in that. Steve Becker

625
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 23: Penthouse Live.

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Speaker 6: After a long negotiation Sethwarshovski signs a five year deal

627
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 6: with General Media, Inc. Who owned the Penthouse brand for

628
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 6: IEG to provide their live video services for the Penthouse

629
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Speaker 6: Live site. Sethwarshovsky sees this as IEG's first step into

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Speaker 6: the world of mainstream business.

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Speaker 23: We see ourselves evolving into a twenty four hour, multi

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Speaker 23: channel interactive broadcast facility that will include user generated channels

633
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 23: created on the fly, so you can create your own

634
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 23: live interactive channel by clicking on a button, just like

635
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 23: a chatroom on AOL. Today, the consumers are the content.

636
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 23: It's a very exciting time to be alive. Like three

637
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 23: weeks after Gutenberg invented the printing press.

638
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety seven, Sethwarshovski is on the cover of

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00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 6: The Wall Street Journal. Build as a new tech mogul

640
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 6: to expand its content model and find new customers and

641
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 6: new income streams, IIG launches its first non adult sites,

642
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 6: a website with live streaming psychics in collaboration with New

643
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 6: York Psychic Readers Network, best known for the Miss Cleo

644
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 6: series of infomercials. There's also telelawyer dot com with live

645
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 6: streaming lawyers. You can pay for advice and help filing paperwork.

646
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 7: And while everyone is.

647
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 6: Moving online, most people are not monetizing it. Like Sethwarshovski

648
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 6: is high traffic websites for mainstream entertainment brands like ESPN's

649
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 6: Sports Zone can't figure out how to turn site views

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00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 6: into paid subscriptions. Newspapers like USA Today launch online with

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Speaker 6: a paywall, lower it, then drop it back to free

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Speaker 6: after not enough people subscribe.

653
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Speaker 5: Our goal is not only to be an adult content provider.

654
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: We want to be the Viacom of new media.

655
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 6: Seth Twarshowski foresees the future where all media will move

656
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 6: to the Internet. He knows TV and other traditional media

657
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 6: companies will need his online video expertise, even if he

658
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 6: is a smut peddler. In nineteen ninety seven, he takes

659
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 6: meetings with Viacom and Time Warner, telling them how networks

660
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 6: like HBO and MSN could transition onto the web. He

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00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 6: swears that live streaming video that isn't slow or pixelated

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00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 6: is imminent. The technology is advancing rapidly every year. Club

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00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 6: Love charges forty nine dollars and ninety nine cents for

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Speaker 6: a thirty minute clip. Club Love also innovates a way

665
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 6: for viewers to see videos without downloading a telltale separate program.

666
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 6: The live video section of Club Love is called Arcade,

667
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 6: where cameras and occasionally porn stars like Kylie Ireland perform

668
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 6: live IEG. The studio has fourteen camgirls on staff and

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Speaker 6: four sound stages jim shower, dungeon, and bedroom. There's also

670
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 6: a toilet cam and a dressing room cam. Customers pay

671
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 6: to pretend they are spying voyeuristically on someone who in

672
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 6: fact knows that they're on camera. Iig's talent director is

673
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Speaker 6: a thirties Ish businesswoman named Marra Meren, who Sethwarshovsky Post

674
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Speaker 6: from the Eisenberg's company. Mara Meren supervises the camgirls as

675
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 6: well as seven camboys at Manhole, iig's live gay camming site,

676
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 6: which operates out of Maren's house in the Seattle suburbs.

677
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 6: When the sites aren't live for business, they run recycled

678
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 6: footage from previous broadcasts. When there are no viewers logged in,

679
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 6: nobody has to perform.

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Speaker 15: They're smart and well behaved, and unlike phone sex, our

681
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 15: guys say thank you when they're done. Believe me, it's

682
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 15: much appreciated. Laura Camgirl.

683
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 6: Some of IEG's live streamers are local exotic dancers who

684
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 6: get online like Danny Ash to make money stripping without

685
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 6: hazards like workplace sexual harassment, customers stalking you in the

686
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 6: parking lot after the show, or managers stiffing you on

687
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 6: your tips. Other cameras are local Seattle artists, musicians, and

688
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 6: college students who look at camming as just a way

689
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 6: to make some money so that they can focus on

690
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 6: other things in their life besides working. They're young gen

691
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 6: xers who are way past the is it empowering or

692
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 6: degrading politics of the early porn wars. As far as

693
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 6: riot girls and boys are concerned, shaking what the lord

694
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 6: gave you for twenty bucks an hour is less degrading

695
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 6: than working a shitty service job or some white collar

696
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 6: office drone work. Laura is a skinny white camgirl with

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Speaker 6: a bleach blonde buzz cut who says as much.

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Speaker 15: I can't believe I actually get paid to work here.

699
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 15: I mean, come to a really nice environment to goof

700
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 15: around nude for the benefit of unseen admirers. What could

701
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 15: be better?

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00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 24: Once you're in an area like this, you see adult

703
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 24: film stars come in. They're real people, they're nice. It

704
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 24: doesn't feel like you're walking into an adult film shop anymore.

705
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 24: Sometimes it even feels like work. Rod Colin Graphic designer.

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00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 6: The offscreen office workers at IEG are likewise not that

707
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 6: personally invested in the company itself. They treat it like

708
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 6: a day job, not a means to get stock options.

709
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 6: When the company goes public, like Warshovski is aiming for,

710
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 6: they pursue their own real passions off the clock.

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Speaker 5: We view the net as an interactive TV type thing.

712
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 5: Right now, it's a novel. But when the mediums converge

713
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 5: and you have true interactive TV, it's.

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Speaker 4: Going to be unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: You could be watching CNN and your stock quotes would

716
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 5: pop up on screen. You could be reading Penthouse magazine

717
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 5: and an adult film star could pop up and talk

718
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Speaker 5: to you in broadcast quality thirty frames a second.

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Speaker 4: Truly interactive anything could happen.

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Speaker 17: Nobody wants to admit that their network is being used

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00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 17: to distribute smut, but in fact it's a very profitable

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Speaker 17: part of their business. Jeffrey Rayport, Harvard Business School.

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Speaker 6: Ninety percent of Club Loves paying customer base consists of

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00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 6: businessmen age eighteen to forty, logging on from work. The

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Speaker 6: model Club Love customer is a male college student who

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Speaker 6: has free time, curiosity, and a credit card. Like a

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Speaker 6: strip club the site develops a clientele of regulars who

728
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 6: have their favorite performers, and a lot of those customers

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00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: aren't just horny, they're lonely.

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Speaker 15: A lot of them are very clear about what they

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00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 15: want to see and what they want you to say.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you get guys you want to see your ass,

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00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 15: but I actually get more requests from guys to wave

734
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 15: at them than to show my ass. It's really important

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Speaker 15: for them to know it's live.

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Speaker 6: You can pay an extra fee to call a performer

737
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 6: on the phone and talk with them while they live stream,

738
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 6: like Peep show Girls once did. Behind Glass. You can

739
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 6: buy a monthly membership for nine dollars and ninety five cents,

740
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 6: or do one off purchases of videos like The Cable Girl,

741
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 6: a porn take on The Cable Guy. There's up selling

742
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 6: opportunities for special items like massage lotion, which you can

743
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 6: pay to watch the streamer apply. You can buy dirty

744
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 6: bedtime stories for the camera to read to you live.

745
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 6: IEG is constantly expanding its content offerings into new fields

746
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 6: like strip, blackjack, and dominatrix sessions. By nineteen ninety seven,

747
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 6: Sethwarshovsky claims that Club Love is making twenty five thousand

748
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 6: dollars in profit a day off a combo of membership sales,

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00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: live videos, and add on extras. Sethwarshovsky buys a cell

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Speaker 6: phone and a black BMW seven forty that he is

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00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 6: legally prohibited from driving because he lost his license after

752
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 6: twenty moving violations. He hires a driver to take him

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00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 6: in his BMW do IEG's Club Love Studios at the

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Speaker 6: refurbished loft building by the docks. Since he can't drive

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Speaker 6: a car, seth gets a boat and takes it out

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Speaker 6: on Puget Sound, going seventy miles per hour.

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Speaker 22: He's very scary when he's in that boat. He's the

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Speaker 22: most driven person I've ever come in contact with.

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00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 6: Warshovsky's corner office at Club Love's headquarters has a black

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00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 6: leather couch and a bunch of wakeboards leaning against the wall.

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00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 6: He eats a pro rodo tech bro diet of protein

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00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 6: boosts like sliced turkey every two hours and lots of vitamins.

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Speaker 5: I have so much energy, I have to take melatonin

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Speaker 5: before I go to bed.

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Speaker 6: His king sized bed is in a condo across the

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Speaker 6: street from the IEG office tower, which he needs to

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00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 6: live close to because he can't Drive. He's lived in

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Speaker 6: the condo, which has green marble counters and giant glass windows,

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Speaker 6: for two years. A telescope is positioned looking out the

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Speaker 6: window towards downtown Seattle.

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Speaker 7: On the walls.

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Speaker 6: He has abstract paintings leased from the Seattle Art Museum,

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Speaker 6: a handful of books, and no personal effects or photos

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Speaker 6: displayed whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: My parents are proud of me. I'm a successful businessman.

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Speaker 6: While some speak kindly about Seth, others are not fans

777
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 6: of the young Seattle video sex tycoon. He gets knocked

778
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 6: the fuck out by an industry colleague for being a

779
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 6: dick at a phone sex trade show in Century City.

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00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 6: At IEG he runs through a lot of young, hard

781
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 6: working staff and maintains a work atmosphere some find overly

782
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 6: high pressure. Working for a temperamental twenty six year old

783
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Speaker 6: man with his own media company can be humiliating in

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Speaker 6: its own special way.

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Speaker 22: He's a tough guy to work for. He stresses people out.

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Speaker 22: He's very intense. He doesn't stop and ask how your

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00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 22: day is. He's not a people person, but he's got

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00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 22: a big heart. He's very generous, but he's not the

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Speaker 22: most human person.

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Speaker 6: Warshovsky has defenders like Derek Newman, who says his boss

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00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 6: lets employees bring their infant children to the office. But

792
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 6: he also has enemies like Joseph Kowati, who runs rival

793
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 6: live campsite Iebroadcast and gets in a screaming fight with

794
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 6: set outside a bar in Seattle that with Kowati spitting

795
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 6: in Warshovsky's face. Warshovski sues him for a million dollars

796
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 6: for livel.

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Speaker 10: Seth gets a lot of business off the media, which

798
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 10: kind of separates him from the low key players. Let's

799
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 10: face it, everybody has heard of IEG and Club Love.

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Speaker 10: How many other adult sites can you think of? Joseph Kowati?

801
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 10: I broadcast.

802
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 4: Every goal I've set for myself I've achieved.

803
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 6: There are also more women starting sexual websites. Video artist

804
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 6: Madeline Altman and adult film distributor Stephanie Martin raised two

805
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Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars in startup capital and launch Babes for

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Speaker 6: You in New York with company Albemar Inc. Altman and

807
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Speaker 6: Martin see the Internet as a way to expand sexual

808
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 6: imaginations beyond the fantasies of guys like Bob Guccioni and

809
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Speaker 6: Hugh Hefner.

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Speaker 25: It's a new language of sexuality. With video phone sets,

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Speaker 25: you can ask somebody to do kinky things, but it's

812
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 25: still completely anonymous. Something like this has never existed before

813
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Speaker 25: in our history. I'd love to tie up a man,

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Speaker 25: to see his balls tied up, but I'm not going

815
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 25: to because as an American, I'm uncomfortable talking about sexuality. Now,

816
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 25: I'm able to act out my fantasy with another human being,

817
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 25: but I don't have to go to some weird place,

818
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 25: ask somebody to come to my house and put myself

819
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Speaker 25: in a compromising situation. Suddenly on the net, this is

820
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Speaker 25: not a fantasy anymore, Madeline Altman, Babes for You.

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Speaker 6: Babes for You are turning a profit a mere eight

822
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Speaker 6: months into operation, fielding one hundred clients tuning in daily

823
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Speaker 6: to see their cams. The web is a powerful tool

824
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 6: for private exploration of fantasy images and scenarios. The Internet

825
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 6: might also be allowing women to suddenly act says sex

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Speaker 6: the way men have been able to historically. As a consumer,

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Speaker 6: the world of what you can have access to a

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Speaker 6: fantasy of tying a guy's balls up, for example, is

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Speaker 6: opened with money. Sex can be purely transactional. It can

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Speaker 6: also be a deep expression of feelings. But it can

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Speaker 6: be this other thing too.

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Speaker 26: The VCR has gone a long way to legitimize consumption

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Speaker 26: of adult material, and yet if everyone who rented adult

834
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Speaker 26: videotapes was as vocal as the people who owned guns,

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Speaker 26: you could not get elected to public office in the

836
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Speaker 26: United States without talking about how often you whack off

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Speaker 26: to porn.

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Speaker 4: Christoph Pettis blowfish erotic toys.

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Speaker 6: There's yet another media shift approaching on the late nineties. Horizon.

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Speaker 6: Digital video discs or DVDs, are a new type of

841
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 6: home media, poised to replace vhs with better clarity of

842
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 6: image and the ability to easily skip around to any point.

843
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 6: David James from Vivid thinks on demand video will surpass

844
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Speaker 6: all forms of physical home media in profits, and he

845
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Speaker 6: will get half of that right.

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Speaker 12: People know how to find us.

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Speaker 6: Stephen Hirsch's Vivid Empire continues to grow. The company moves

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Speaker 6: from its original offices in a dilapidated part of the

849
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Speaker 6: valley to a prime new location in Studio City off

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Speaker 6: the Koanga Canyon Pass, which cuts through the hills and

851
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Speaker 6: physically connects Hollywood to the valley. Vivid Video is renamed

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Speaker 6: to Vivid Entertainment and relocates into a fancy modernist office

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Speaker 6: building with a balcony. There are blue Vivid Entertainment signs

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Speaker 6: a fixed on the side of the building and the

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Speaker 6: Vivid logo a V within a star. The Vivid sign's

856
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Speaker 6: globe blo at night, greeting motorists as they enter and

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Speaker 6: exit the valley. Vivid's new location puts it right by

858
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Speaker 6: the studio lots for Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers, and

859
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Speaker 6: makes a statement Vivid is a real studio too. Steve

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Speaker 6: Hirsch spends his share of Vivid's profits on expensive pleasures

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Speaker 6: like luxury cars, box seats for Bruce Springsteen shows, and

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Speaker 6: prehistoric fossils. He splashes out big time to build a

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Speaker 6: personal collection of presidential Americana whose crown jewels are a

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Speaker 6: death mask of Abraham Lincoln and a lock of hair

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Speaker 6: from one of George Washington's wigs. The message is loud

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Speaker 6: and clear. Vivid Entertainment and pornography are as all American

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Speaker 6: as apple Pie.

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Speaker 1: I think Vivid and Wicked have done a really good

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00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: job of working towards mainstreaming the industry. They've used a

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Speaker 1: star system, and they make celebrities out of their contract

871
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: stars and it's done a lot. I think for adult

872
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: entertainment's image, it is getting more mainstream, and I think

873
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the press coverage I've got has in

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00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: a way helped make the business more mainstream. You know,

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00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: ultimately we will arrive at more European values and people

876
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: will lighten up about sex a little bit. But right

877
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: now it's still pretty taboo.

878
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 19: I'm a valley girl. You can't get me out of

879
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 19: the valley. I'm still here.

880
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 6: Cindy Margolis, another early Internet star, is a bottle blonde

881
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 6: Jewish la girl named Cindy Margolis born Cynthia don Margolis,

882
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 6: a Libra, Cindy is a cal State Northridge student taking

883
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 6: business classes. For her final project, she makes business cards

884
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 6: with a cheesecake lingerie photo of herself printed on one

885
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 6: side and her phone number on the other. The business

886
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 6: cards land her some modeling work, and she runs the

887
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 6: gauntlet of opportunities for bikini models, doing print ads, woodworking

888
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 6: shows as misspower Tools, appearing as one of Bob Barker's

889
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 6: beauties on the Prices Right Yikes, and playing one of

890
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 6: the fembots in the first Austin Powers movie. Like Danny Ash,

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00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 6: Cindy Margolis sees the potential of the Internet as a

892
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 6: tool for self promotion, where an aspiring glamour model can

893
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 6: go from disposable cog in a big machine to a

894
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 6: brand all her own. She starts a website, cindymargolist dot com, and,

895
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 6: much like Danny, Cindy brands herself as the Queen of

896
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 6: the Internet and the most downloaded woman. Her webpage gets

897
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 6: written up in print magazines, where they call her cyber Cindy.

898
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 6: According to Cindy at the peak of her popularity in

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety nine, her bikini photos are downloaded seventy thousand

900
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 6: times a day. Contemporary articles about Cindy Margolis and Danny

901
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 6: Ash scoff at the very idea of an Internet celebrity.

902
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 6: They suggest that online fame will always be considered lesser

903
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 6: than other kinds, but d list is still a list.

904
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 6: The first Internet adult superstars don't care about mingling with

905
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 6: TV and movie stars as media industry peers. They just

906
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 6: care about making money online. There's another term for internet fame, democratic.

907
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 6: The idea that anyone with a dream and a web

908
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 6: address can now make themselves an autonomous brand is seductive.

909
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 6: Danny Ash and Cindy Margolis both strike it rich in

910
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 6: part because they get there so early to stake their claims.

911
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 6: Making content for a personal website is certainly work, but

912
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 6: for Danny and Cindy, it's a better quality of employment

913
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 6: than hoofing it in a bikini at woodworking shows or

914
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 6: getting sent into strip club police busts.

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: For years, I just ran my fan club part time

916
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: out of the house, and I made fifteen hundred dollars

917
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: a month. I went on the web and it went

918
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: immediately to ten thousand dollars to fifteen thousand dollars.

919
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 6: Danny adds a paid membership called the hot Box for

920
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 6: nine dollars and ninety five cents a month, with access

921
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 6: to premium photos and interviews with nude models. By the

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 6: late nineties, Danny dot com has seventeen thousand members and

923
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 6: net's nearly two million dollars a year. She gets emails

924
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 6: from satisfied customers around the world.

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01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these guys have never even

926
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: bought an adult magazine.

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 6: When General World returns, celebrity sex tapes change the market.

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01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, welcome back to General World.

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01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone else has really tried to create

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01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 5: that brand name recognition on the net. We want to

931
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 5: be the next generation of Playboy, Penthouse or Pustler.

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 6: Seth Warshowski continues to build out new segments of IIG

933
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 6: and the venture has a new focus. Famous People Naked.

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 6: Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee sue IIG overposting the stolen

935
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 6: our long tape of their Lake Mead houseboat Honeymoon on

936
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 6: Club Love in nineteen ninety seven. Bootlegs of the Perloin

937
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 6: sex tape were already being sold online and around LA

938
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 6: by a porn company called Arrow Productions. When Pam and

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01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 6: Tommy heard that Penthouse magazine now also had a copy

940
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 6: of the tape they were planning to sell. Pam and

941
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 6: Tommy lost their nineteen ninety six lawsuit against Penthouse when

942
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 6: the media company's lawyer successfully convinced the court that the

943
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 6: couple had forfeited any rights to privacy by becoming celebrities.

944
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 6: By the time Pam and Tommy sued IIG for running

945
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 6: a five hour stream of the sex tape on Club Love,

946
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 6: the whole thing was stressing out Pam, who was pregnant,

947
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 6: and the Lees just wanted to stop thinking about it.

948
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 6: It was long rumored that the Lees cut a backroom

949
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 6: deal with IIG and got a share of their seventy

950
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 6: seven million in profits, but Pam said that isn't true

951
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 6: in her Netflix documentary Pamela A Love Story. Allegedly, the

952
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 6: couple just signed away the rights to Warshovski because they

953
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 6: believed that this meant the sex tape would just continue

954
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 6: to stream online, but Sethwarshovski then sold the tape to

955
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 6: Vivid Entertainment, who made hard copies of the sex tape

956
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 6: and started selling them in adult stores in nineteen ninety eight.

957
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 6: Ethical not at all legal technically so far.

958
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 5: We're just as much journalists as Fox files or hard

959
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 5: copy or sixty minutes.

960
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 4: It's a different kind of content.

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 5: The only reason sixty minutes or forty eight hours doesn't

962
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 5: show that Pam and Tommy tape is because they.

963
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 4: Can't show nudity.

964
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 5: And the hypocrisy that comes into play when they say

965
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 5: you're profiting off these people's mistakes is absurd.

966
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 6: IIG also posts naked photos of conservative talk show shrink

967
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 6: doctor Laura Schlessinger. The Doctor Laura photos are sold to

968
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 6: IIG by an older male mentor she'd had an affair

969
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 6: with in the seventies when she was in her twenties.

970
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 6: Doctor Laura sues IIG, and the court rules that she

971
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 6: doesn't own the rights to the photos. She's a racist

972
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 6: and a homophobe, but that's still very fucked up. Bret

973
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 6: Michaels of Poison successfully blocks IIG from posting a nineteen

974
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 6: ninety three sex tape of him and Pamela Anderson and

975
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 6: sues them for ninety million dollars in damages. Neither Michaels

976
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 6: nor Anderson are interested in selling the tape, which keeps

977
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 6: leaking online, or in using the publicity from the sex

978
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 6: tape to promote the careers. There's something they value more

979
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 6: than money, their privacy. Personal celebrity home video sex tapes

980
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 6: getting sold and distributed online is still such a new

981
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 6: field in the nineties that there's a big legal gray

982
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 6: area around them. In nineteen ninety eight, Kelsey Grammar anonymously

983
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 6: sues Sethwarshovski over IEG's possession of a suspected Kelsey Grammar

984
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 6: sex tape. Warshovsky counter sues, and IEG posts a re

985
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 6: enactment video of Fraser Crane's sex tape. Other actors get

986
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 6: asked by the press how they feel about this new

987
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 6: frontier of fame.

988
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 27: The Internet opens up so many issues. The ethics of

989
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 27: the whole thing haven't really been ironed out. I don't

990
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 27: know if they can ever be.

991
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 4: Jeff Bridges Actor.

992
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 27: If I start complaining, I'm calling more attention to it.

993
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 27: I can ran take rave. All will call more attention

994
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 27: to it. Sometimes silence is the only path to resistance,

995
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 27: Tim Robbins Actor.

996
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety nine, Internet Entertainment Group posts nude photos

997
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 6: online of a Brazilian model named Luciana Jimenez, whose pregnancy

998
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 6: by Mick Jagger breaks up jaggers decades long partnership with

999
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 6: Texans supermodel Jerry Hall. IIG also posts some ill gotten

1000
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 6: pictures of Jagger's bandmate Keith Richards, masturbating that they bill

1001
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 6: as Keith getting some self satisfaction. IIG purposely courts controversy

1002
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 6: and constantly makes new enemies. They buy a site from

1003
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 6: a Saint Louis web development company called Gemini that uses

1004
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 6: an address designed for users looking for info on the

1005
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 6: Pope's forthcoming visit to the United States in nineteen ninety

1006
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 6: nine www dot papal Visit ninety nine dot com. When

1007
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 6: the Paple visit site runs ads for bars. The archdiocese complains.

1008
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 6: Gemini then sells it to IEG, who turn paplevisit ninety

1009
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 6: nine dot com into a porn site with a section

1010
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 6: called Unholy Sex. The Archbishop of Saint Louis gets a

1011
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 6: successful injunction against paplevisit ninety nine dot com thatth Wwarshovsky

1012
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 6: defends the website, saying the Catholic Church has extreme positions

1013
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 6: on sexuality and that IG are respectable journalists covering the

1014
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 6: Papal Visit responsibly. People who click on any of iig's

1015
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 6: websites are served a million pop up ads that make

1016
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 6: it harder to exit the site on their web browser

1017
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 6: and try to lure.

1018
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 7: Them back in.

1019
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 6: The users who click into iig's websites create a profile

1020
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 6: of their data, whether they end up signing up or not,

1021
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 6: and that data can be sold off. Warshovsky is looking

1022
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 6: at a greeting card company that uses this tactic.

1023
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 4: Money two ways.

1024
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 5: They're making money by advertising, and they're making money by

1025
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 5: building a list, so there will be an email list

1026
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 5: of all the people they send greeting cards to and

1027
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 5: all the people they come from.

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01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 6: Most new enterprises on the web that appear to be free,

1029
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 6: but involve an email signup make money off selling the

1030
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 6: list of emails to third parties. In time, this type

1031
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 6: of data will become the most valuable currency online. Collecting

1032
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 6: personal user data and selling that data to other companies

1033
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 6: is more lucrative than relying on getting actual paid subscriptions

1034
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 6: to websites.

1035
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 5: I passionately subscribe to what the First Amendment stands for.

1036
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 6: While Seth Worshowski isn't interested in free speech so much

1037
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 6: as free money, he ends up in the very same

1038
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 6: courts his First Amendment testing predecessor, Larry Flynn of Hustler

1039
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 6: magazine once did. He even hires Alan Isaacman, the lat

1040
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 6: Ernie Flint hired for his cases, who was played by

1041
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 6: Edward Norton and Miloschformann's movie The People Versus Larry Flint.

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 3: There are built in problems. One is that everyone is

1043
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 3: all over, although that's not insurmountable. The other is that

1044
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 3: in pornography there is an unspoken feeling of well, of

1045
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: course they're lying when they say they didn't order the service.

1046
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: It's like telemarketing. It's hard to organize the victims. These

1047
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 3: are hard cases to make assistant US attorney Bartlett.

1048
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 6: As the new millennium approaches, twenty six year old Sethwarshovski

1049
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 6: is featured in Time magazine's nineteen ninety nine issue Technology's

1050
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 6: fifty Most Important Faces, presented as a tech wonder kind,

1051
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 6: the boy king of Internet sex. He's also in trouble

1052
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 6: with the irs, big trouble.

1053
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 5: That is absolutely, in factual, completely untrue whatsoever.

1054
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 6: Alongside reports in magazines like Time that IG is generating

1055
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 6: fifty million dollars a year in revenue, there is mounting

1056
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 6: evidence that IG's camgirl sites are illegally overcharging credit cards

1057
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 6: using the old phone sex scams. Seth denies everything. He

1058
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 6: claims any customers who report false charges are fairly reimbursed.

1059
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 6: He wants these claims that IIG is cooking the books

1060
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 6: to disappear because what he really wants is to take

1061
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 6: IIG public as a company.

1062
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 5: We'll look at a different financing strategies. It depends on

1063
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 5: our options. Seth demanded that i cause the billing system

1064
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 5: to generate between four hundred thousand to two million dollars

1065
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 5: in various occasions. This is in addition to the normal

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01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 5: daily revenue generation. At first, Seth told me that we

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01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 5: would credit the people we were double billing to generate revenues.

1068
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 5: We were charging credit cards that had already been charged

1069
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 5: for the same purchase. Then later he told me not

1070
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 5: to credit anyone unless they called to complain. Ron Chow,

1071
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 5: IIG chief technical officer.

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 6: Ron Chow says Warshovsky got furious and called him a

1073
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 6: racist slur when he refused to keep double and triple

1074
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 6: billing customers to meet falsified profit margins. Chow left the

1075
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 6: company when he realized Worshovsky's promises to reimburse customers were

1076
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 6: allegedly false.

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01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 4: I didn't want to participate in what Seth wanted me

1078
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 4: to do.

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 6: Warshovsky claims he never said the slur, but admitted he

1080
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 6: can be quote difficult at times. Seth Warshovsky has also

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 6: just settled a lawsuit with three of his employees for

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01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 6: supposedly doing to him what he supposedly did to Ian Eisenberg,

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 6: first jacking IEG's business model and technology while absconding with

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 6: his client list of email addresses for their own use.

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 5: I'm pretty aggressive, high energy. I'm a difficult guy to

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01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 5: work for.

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 6: Seth Wwarshowski says any upcharging was a result of a

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01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,879
Speaker 6: computer glitch that only affected customers at one IIG site,

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01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 6: Voyur Dorm, which bills itself as a real life adult

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01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 6: version of The Truman Show, with forty seven cameras, seven women,

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01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 6: one house. He claims that Voyer Dorm customers were the

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 6: only ones affected by the glitch, which build their cards

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 6: five times a day for a fifty day period, and

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 6: that all of the affected customers had been reimbursed now.

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01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 6: Sabrina Litton, who worked customer service for IIG, said in

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Speaker 6: an affidavit that she was instructed to not return hundreds

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 6: of calls from angry overbuild customers. She also did not

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01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 6: return a call from The Washington Post about the affidavit.

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01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 6: Another former customer service technician, Matthew Fisher, said in the

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 6: affidavit that IEG employees were told to use the computer

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01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 6: glitch excuse to complaining customers. Employees say the company is

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01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 6: not even solvent. Their paychecks keep bouncing. Many of iig's

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01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 6: vendors are suing IIG.

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 28: Seth would say, fuck up, go find another vendor. There

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01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 28: is always another vendor, and in many cases he's right.

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01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 28: Many times there is another vendor. But it became a

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01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 28: problem over time because we're to have gotten around about this.

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01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 28: We were being blacklisted like by recruiting agencies. Bert Wrightsma,

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 28: former chief operating officer, IEG.

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Speaker 5: Our books aren't one hundred percent in order. It's not perfect.

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 4: We need to get it together.

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01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 6: While Time and The Wall Street Journal have been unquestioningly

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01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 6: printing Warshovski's claims that IEG is making fifty million dollars

1114
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 6: in revenue a year, Burt wrights must says that's a

1115
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 6: total fabrication. It's more like ten million, and only from

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01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 6: the upcharging scam Sethwarshovsky responds that there's more revenue streams

1117
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 6: not under Reiitzma's command. He also claims they're not just

1118
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 6: making money off sex sites, comparing IIG to the Discovery Channel.

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01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 6: In addition to live online psychics, IIG also runs a

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Speaker 6: home loan qualification site called zero Down and a site

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01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 6: called Online Surgery that Warshovsky says is the most popular

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 6: of IEG's non sex sites. Online Surgery webcasts live from

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:40,440
Speaker 6: a plastic surgeon's office, showing procedures like breast augmentation, liposection,

1124
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 6: and facelifts in live gory detail on laggy, grainy video.

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Speaker 6: IIG gets another wave of bad publicity for a site

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Speaker 6: called Our First Time, where two teenage virgins are supposed

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01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 6: to have sex for the first time on a webcam

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 6: broadcast right when they turn eighteen. The problem is that

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 6: the virgins are actually hired actors and the whole Our

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01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 6: First Time dot com site is a fake. The scandal

1131
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 6: climaxes with the two virgins pulling out of the endeavor

1132
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 6: and the Our First Time site redirecting to fundraising for

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01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 6: an independent film. Our First Time was the brainchild of

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 6: a director named Ken Tipton, a scripted prank to get

1135
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 6: attention and help him solicit funding for a film he

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01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 6: wants to make. Warshowsky is furious he's been duped. After

1137
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 6: Ken Tipton outs himself as the creator of Our First

1138
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 6: Time and the whole thing is a fake, he writes

1139
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 6: an editorial for indie film Rag Film Threat asking for

1140
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 6: money to make his passion project.

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01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 14: Based on the true story of how I lost my family,

1142
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 14: a multimillion dollar chain of video stores, and almost my

1143
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 14: life fighting a group of religious fanatics and a corrupt

1144
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 14: city prosecutor over Martin Scorsese's controversial film The Last Temptation

1145
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 14: of Christ. Ken Tipton, director.

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01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 6: Incredibly enough, Ken Tipton did get to make his independent

1147
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 6: movie off the notoriety of his our first time publicity gambit.

1148
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 6: His passion project movie is called Heart of the Beholder.

1149
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 6: It came out in two thousand and five, and it's

1150
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 6: about a video store guy fighting a First Amendment battle

1151
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 6: over his right to rent out copies of Martin Scorsese's

1152
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 6: The Last Temptation of Christ to customers in Saint Louis

1153
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 6: against the objections of local Christian fundamentalists.

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01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 5: We're a very aggressive company, but we don't want to

1155
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 5: provide illegitimate content.

1156
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 6: Even Sethwarshowski has some boundaries about what he's willing to sell.

1157
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 6: No beast reality, no snuff films. He shit talks sixty

1158
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 6: Minutes for airing a video of doctor Kavorkian assisting in

1159
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 6: a death. Deth says IIG turned it down on an

1160
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 6: ethical basis and call sixty Minutes disgusting for airing it.

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01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 6: Hyperpor Insights like IIG are allegedly only getting two paying

1162
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 6: customers out of every one thousand Curiosity clicks. They don't

1163
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 6: retain the customers they do get. They're continually bleeding out

1164
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,799
Speaker 6: customers who sign up out of curiosity and quit after.

1165
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 7: A few months.

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01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 6: But once customers have given IIG their credit card info,

1167
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 6: they have a hard time getting it back, even with

1168
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 6: promotional tactics like offering the ill gotten Pam and Tommy

1169
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 6: sex tape for free with every signup. IIG is not

1170
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 6: the Seattle Silicon Valley success story. Sethwarshowsky has been making

1171
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 6: it out to be.

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01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 5: I'm human, I'm a sensitive guy.

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01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 6: IIG is a proxy for all tech companies that come

1174
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 6: after it, getting a bunch of venture capital investment and

1175
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 6: jacking up their valuation for a few years to go

1176
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 6: public and sell before everyone notices they've been cooking the

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,520
Speaker 6: books with speculative value. It's Enron's all the way down.

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01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 5: We would never do anything that wasn't one hundred percent

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01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 5: above board. We may slow pay someone if we're having

1180
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:20,440
Speaker 5: a cash crunch, but double billing people deliberately, never ever.

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01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 4: We wouldn't jeopardize our business.

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01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 6: By two thousand, there's a full probe of IEG from

1183
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 6: the IRS and the FBI. Sethwarshovski is being investigated for

1184
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 6: wire fraud and money laundering via foreign bank accounts. A

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01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 6: federal grand jury in Seattle subpoenas the sealed file for

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01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 6: a nineteen ninety eight case where a former girlfriend of

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01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 6: Worshovskis sued him for alleged domestic violence. He allegedly tried

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 6: to choke her and insinuated he could have her and

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 6: her daughter killed. They settled out of court and she

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01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 6: took out her restraining order against him. He tries to

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 6: sue the Seattle Weekly for covering the store.

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01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 5: She thought that maybe she could get some money out

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01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 5: of me if you call the Seattle court.

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:08,919
Speaker 4: Case dropped.

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 6: Warshovsky claims the criminal case in Las Vegas that he

1196
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 6: copped for battery constituting domestic violence over trying to choke

1197
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,440
Speaker 6: out his ex girlfriend in Las Vegas has also been dismissed.

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01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 6: The Clark County, Nevada District Attorney says Warshovsky was charged,

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 6: but his lawyer negotiated a plea deal with the district

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 6: attorney a five hundred dollars donation to be split between

1201
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 6: a domestic violence shelter and a law enforcement tip line.

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01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 6: The DA says Seth Wwarshovsky is required to attend Impulse

1203
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 6: Control counseling and quote stay out of trouble.

1204
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: Seth is the most litigious person I know, and he

1205
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: has a way of twisting things to his perspective. It's

1206
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: a real uphill battle to try and bring some acceptance

1207
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: and respect to my industry, and he makes it all

1208
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: that much more difficult. I would not do business with

1209
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: him again for a lot of reasons. That's about as

1210
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: far as I can go.

1211
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 5: People are confused and maybe a little bit jealous about

1212
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 5: how successful we've been.

1213
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 6: In two thousand, the hearings for the Child Online Protection Act,

1214
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 6: or COPA are held in California courts. COPA aims to

1215
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 6: restrict material harmful to minors online. They consider the material

1216
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 6: harmful to miners as anything that can be interpreted as

1217
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 6: sexual content, including all images of bare breasts. The guidelines

1218
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 6: are vague, saying any site that quote contemporary community standards

1219
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 6: would agree involves quote prurient interests must be restricted so

1220
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 6: miners can't access them. Some porn sites add a click

1221
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 6: through screen that asks the computer user to confirm they

1222
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 6: are eighteen before entering the site, but no secondary proof

1223
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 6: of identity or AG which is required. Danny Ash testifies

1224
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 6: and explains the adult web at the third COPA hearing

1225
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 6: in San Jose.

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01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: There are millions of people online and each and every

1227
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: one of us has a slightly different definition of pornography,

1228
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: a different sense of morality, and different ideas about what

1229
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: may be harmful to children. The diversity of our opinions

1230
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: makes the task of identifying what's to be considered adult

1231
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: difficult and compelling those who have been labeled to comply

1232
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: nearly impossible. As we all know, every attempt thus far

1233
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: to label and regulate adult material online has met with

1234
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: vigorous litigation and ended up stalled in the courts.

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01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,759
Speaker 6: Danny Ash suggests some potential ways to regulate adult content

1236
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 6: on computers without overt censorship. She also suggests ways adult

1237
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 6: creators could be protected against content theft and password sharing.

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01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 6: Her big idea is a new domain, dot kids that

1239
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 6: will house all children's content. Honestly, that is still a

1240
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 6: really good idea dot Kids.

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01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 13: I am often asked to comment on Internet dangers. My

1242
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 13: answer may surprise you. The biggest danger on the Internet

1243
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 13: today is not pedophiles. It is misinformation and disinformation. I

1244
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 13: think it is of critical importance to teach kids how

1245
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 13: to evaluate information in whatever form it appears. Gene are

1246
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 13: more poly net Mom.

1247
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 6: Other testimonies come from webmasters behind kids websites, like yehooligans.

1248
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 6: Everyone emphasizes that there's really no way to control what

1249
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 6: your kids do online, but that it's for parents and

1250
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 6: not the government, to figure it out. They also emphasize

1251
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 6: the idea of media literacy. Rather than restricting the flow

1252
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 6: of images and ideas, kids whose minds are being shaped

1253
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 6: online must learn how to judge those images and ideas critically.

1254
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 7: Whoops, it's not just.

1255
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 6: The wide availability of sexual images that people worry about.

1256
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 6: It's that the Internet provides plentiful opportunities for anonymous communication

1257
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 6: between children and adult creeps.

1258
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 23: The Internet provides a form of anonymity that provides opportunity

1259
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 23: for people to say and do things they probably would

1260
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 23: not face to face. It also provides an almost endless

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01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 23: supply of those types of opportunities. For adults, these high

1262
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 23: risk areas are more a matter of personal choice, but

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01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 23: for children, the danger is real. Dan Jude Security Software Commissions.

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01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 6: Even with software that monitors content, there's no fail safe

1265
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 6: way to stop kids from talking to strangers online, especially

1266
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 6: once they think are other kids that are really adults

1267
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 6: with malicious intent to groom them sexually. Some net nannies

1268
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 6: allow the parents to monitor children's online interactions, but critics

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01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,480
Speaker 6: think such tools are a violation of a child's personal privacy.

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01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 9: The problem and great concern of law enforcement is that

1271
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,839
Speaker 9: before the Internet, law enforcement was able to protect children

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01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 9: and the community in the parks, libraries, shopping malls and streets. Now,

1273
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 9: with the Internet, we have no law enforcement on the

1274
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 9: super Highway. Detective Derek Roland, Huntington Beach Police Department.

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01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 1: I'm out of the modeling business for good. The site

1276
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: is all I do now.

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01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 4: It may replace starting magazines or peep shows. That's about it.

1278
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't fall in love with a computer.

1279
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 4: I don't think.

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01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 6: But while the Child Online Protection Act passes in nineteen

1281
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 6: ninety eight, it is never enforced. It gets stuck in

1282
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 6: follow up rounds of litigation for ten years and eventually

1283
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 6: receives a permanent injunction, rendering it unconstitutional. So sexual content

1284
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 6: continues to proliferate freely online and with it new ways

1285
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 6: for creators like Danny ash and con men like Sethwarshowsky

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01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 6: to monetize it. While Jenna Jamison has been watching the

1287
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 6: sex business changing from the sidelines, she will jump in

1288
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 6: soon and make a big splash with her own personalized

1289
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 6: internet brand. Club Jenna. Will Jenna survive the technological jump

1290
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 6: into a big new pool of customers or will she

1291
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 6: land with a splat on the hot concrete. Find out

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Speaker 6: next time on Jena World. Next time on Jenna World

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Speaker 6: Episode eight, Club Jenna, Jenna falls in lust with Tommy

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Speaker 6: Lee and then falls in love again with porn impresario

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Speaker 6: Jay Gerdina. Together, Jay and Jenna will launch her biggest

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Speaker 6: venture yet, a new internet adult entertainment company called Club Jenna.

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Speaker 6: Jenna World is an iHeartRadio production executive produced by Anna

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Speaker 6: Hosnier and Becco Ramos supervising, produced by Bei Wang, produced

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Speaker 6: by Victor Wright, script editing by Jonathan Mills, engineered by

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Speaker 6: Graham Gibson, and edited by Rory Gagan. Today's episode of

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Speaker 6: Jenna World featured Lauren ser Video as Jenna Jamison, Jamie

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Speaker 6: Loftus as Danny ash Bridger, Winneger as David James, Paul

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Speaker 6: Dautchny as Bob Guccioni, Andrew Tiya Sethwarshowski and Ron check Wow,

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Speaker 6: Josh Fadom as Jerry Springer, Mike Carlson as Wayne Allen,

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Speaker 6: Noah Garfinkel as Stephen Hirsch, Sara Sobsey as Anonymous Vivid Girl,

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Speaker 6: Blake Wexler as Ray Solar, Grace Spellman is Wendy Simpson,

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Speaker 6: Alison Stephenson as Alison Grippo, Elaine Con as Barbara Bailey,

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Speaker 6: Matthew Golden as Tim Elliott, Lindsay Normington as Stephanie Martin,

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Speaker 6: Mike Perry as Jason King, Rob Patrick as Mark h bell,

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Speaker 6: Anita Flores as Eileen Kent, and Jean Armer, Polly Derek

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Speaker 6: as Derek Newman, Gabe Bernini as Steve Becker, and Dan Jude,

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Speaker 6: Leah Rose as Laura the Cam Girl, Chris Wade as Rod,

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Speaker 6: Colin rex Will as Jeffrey rayport A, Mere Chowkree as

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Speaker 6: Joseph Cowatty, Elaine Carrey as Madeleine Altman, Will Mendiker as

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Speaker 6: Christopher Pettis, Sarah Johnson is Cindy Margolis, Grant Creator as

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Speaker 6: Jeff Bridges and Tim Robbins, Alex Papadimus as Assistant US Attorney,

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Speaker 6: Bartlett mort Burke as Bert Ritzma Leo Rose as Laura

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Speaker 6: the Cam Girl, y'ah See Slick as Ginger Lynn Allen,

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Speaker 6: Alex Gouter as Ken Tipton, and Ben Bolan as Detective

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Speaker 6: Derek Roland,