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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so

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Speaker 3: will we Welcome.

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Speaker 4: To Shades of the Afterlife. Do you believe in synchronicities

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Speaker 4: and coincidences? I have had them in my life and

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Speaker 4: I bet you have too. In fact, psychology Professor doctor

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Speaker 4: Bernard Bidman wrote a great book Meaningful Coincidences, How and

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Speaker 4: Why Synchronicity and Serendipity Happen, which led me to create

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Speaker 4: this episode for you today. Doctor Bidman's work led me

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Speaker 4: to stees, in particular the spiritually transformative experiences of doctor

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Speaker 4: Yvonne Cason. Now, we've heard of near death experiences, but

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Speaker 4: many people believe these only happen when someone flatlines on

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Speaker 4: an operating table. For instance, doctor Cason believes near death

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Speaker 4: experiences fall under the umbrella of something even bigger, spiritually

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Speaker 4: transformative experiences, where consciousness can often leave our bodies and

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Speaker 4: we are forever changed and often have after effects like

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Speaker 4: psychic awareness and wishing to better humanity. Today, I'd like

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Speaker 4: to share some of doctor Cason's coincidences and experiences. She's

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Speaker 4: the author of several books, including Touched by the Light

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Speaker 4: and Soul Lessons from the Light. You can find out

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Speaker 4: more at Spiritual Awakenings International dot org and the YouTube

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Speaker 4: channels connecting with Coincidence, and also find Spiritual Awakenings International.

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Speaker 4: Here's doctor Yvonne Cason.

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Speaker 1: On Matavac plane crash and your death experience happened to

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Speaker 1: me in nineteen seventy nine, when I was a medical

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Speaker 1: residency and I was assigned against my will, which that

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Speaker 1: might be meaningful coincidence right there, that some bloop in

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Speaker 1: the schedule, I ended up being sent somewhere I didn't

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Speaker 1: my supervising position assigned me to accompany a patient on

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Speaker 1: a metavac because we were just at a tiny little

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Speaker 1: This was a small twin engine airplane called a piper

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Speaker 1: Aztec and it was a tiny little thing with a

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Speaker 1: Now we flew off. The patient was intubated, so she

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Speaker 1: That day, they gave us heavy winter parkas, and I

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Speaker 1: When my experience began. So this was before the plane

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Speaker 1: the ice was thin. Plane sunk, and in order to

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Speaker 4: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 4: Sandra Champlain, and you're listening to the meaningful coincidences, near

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Speaker 4: death and spiritually transformative experiences of doctor Yvonne Cason. Last

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Speaker 4: we left her, the small medical plane had landed on

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Speaker 4: the ice. The ice had broken, the plane sunk into

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Speaker 1: The three of us were in the water. The pilot

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Speaker 1: The third time the voice repeated swim to shore. I

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Speaker 1: So actually my consciousness was two places at the same time.

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Speaker 1: It seems inexplicable, but that is what I was experiencing.

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Speaker 1: the words. What I experienced was ProSound, unconditional, powerful love,

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Speaker 1: But the most powerful part was what I was feeling.

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Speaker 1: all the coincidences that led to the rescue. So when

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Speaker 1: We actually had a reunion a plane correction online this year, wonderful. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: I promise we'll pick right back up where we left off.

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Speaker 4: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 4: I'm Sanders Plane and now doctor Yvonne is talking about

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Speaker 4: some of the coincidences that happened with the plane crash.

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Speaker 1: As the plane was thinking, the pilot stood up on

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Speaker 1: say when they rade out a may day. Now. Because

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Speaker 1: there was so by coincidence, by meaningful coincidence. There was

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Speaker 1: radio down to the ground. So the Kenora Airport got

431
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: the message that oh, approximately here there is the plane

432
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: that's down. Okay, so they know where we are and

433
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: that we have crashed, But how are they going to

434
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: get to us? We swam to an island, right. It

435
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: was not accessible by skiddoo, which is what a lot

436
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: of people use in the winter, because there was open

437
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: water next to the island. It was not accessible by

438
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: boat because there's ice before you get to the water.

439
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: It's not accessible by road because there were no roads

440
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: to the island. So the only vehicle that could possibly

441
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: have rescued us was helicopters. And normally there are no

442
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: helicopters anywhere in this area, so how could we be rescued? Well,

443
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: by meaningful coincidence, on that particular day, there was an

444
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: empty helicopter being fery from Winnipeg to Baldore, Quebec, and

445
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: it ran into the same snowstorm that we did, so

446
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: it decided to land until the storm had passed. By coincidence,

447
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: at what's called the Ministry of Natural Resources base, five

448
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: miles from where we crashed and it had just landed.

449
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: It had just landed, and the helicopter pilot said he

450
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: was starting to, you know, like cover up the propellers

451
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: and all the things he does. He went inside the

452
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: base and met the pilot who was in the base

453
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: we'd never met before. He still had the radio on

454
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: whatever frequency they have on at the base, so they

455
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: heard the message from Kenora Airport. We just got a

456
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: may day that there is a plane down in such

457
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: and such a location. Is there anybody nearby who could

458
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: look for them? And these two fellows, their name is

459
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: Bob Grant and Brian Klig. They never met each other,

460
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: two pilots, they didn't even think. They both went into

461
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: the helicopter and they immediately went to where the plane

462
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: was reported to go down, and they started looking for us. Now,

463
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: they didn't know that we crashed and sank into the

464
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: only piece of open water for hundreds of miles. They

465
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: were looking for wreckage. They were looking for wreckage in

466
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: trees or wreckage in the ice, because everything else is

467
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: frozen solid except Devil's Cap at this time of year.

468
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Speaker 1: Their first fly by, they didn't even see us. They

469
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: just kept on searching. You have to remember, this is

470
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: a stom with blowing snow, and they're looking for wreckage.

471
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: They didn't see any wreckage. They didn't see us huddled

472
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: under the trees, and it was fully forested island or

473
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the nurse like an icicle in open water. Then, again

474
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: by coincidence, if you want to call it, that some

475
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: floatable item we don't know what it was was came

476
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: out of the sunken plane and floated to the surface.

477
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: It might have been I don't know, a seat cushion

478
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: or something that floats. Anyway, was on Devil's Gap. And

479
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: so when they couldn't find us, they said, well, there

480
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: was something on the water in Devil's Gap. Could they

481
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: possibly have gone down in the one place for this

482
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: open water? So they came back and again the coincidence

483
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: of whatever that was that floated to the surface, they

484
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: came back closer. And when they came back for a

485
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: closer look, and they came back real low because of

486
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: the visibility, is when they saw the nurse frozen holding

487
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: on to a piece of ice, and at first they

488
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: thought she was the only survivor. They realized the plane

489
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: had gone down, so they very very heroically dragged her

490
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: body along the ice until they got to a place

491
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: where the ice was strong enough to even support her weight.

492
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: Then Bob managed to sort of wed her into the

493
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: co pilot's seat, but then he couldn't get the helicopter.

494
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: And so how they actually flew with her to the

495
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: closest hospital, which was Canora Hospital, was that Bob was

496
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: standing outside the helicopter on the strut sort of wedging

497
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: the door shut to keep the nurse's body in there,

498
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: while Brian flew the helicopter to Canora Hospital. So they

499
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: brought her there and then the two of them said, well,

500
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: let's go back and see if there's anybody else. And

501
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that when the pilot, whose

502
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: name was Jerry Kushensky and I, who were waiting on

503
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: shore freezing to death when they left, we were waving

504
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: and waving and shouting and shouting, but actually the helicopter

505
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: was facing away from us, and obviously the helicopter pilots

506
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: were focused on trying to rescue the nurse theory pulling

507
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: out of the water. It seemed they had not seen us,

508
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: so we didn't know if they'd come back. And it

509
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: was a really really long period of time. It was

510
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: until they came back. I really didn't know if they

511
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: would be coming back to look for us, but they

512
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: had thought, thank goodness, well let's go back and see

513
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: just in case there are any other survivors that we

514
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: didn't see in the water. So first they looked in

515
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: the water, but then they saw us on shore. Well,

516
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: again by coincidence, a little bit up to the right

517
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: of where I was, there was a small inlet in

518
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: the island. They brought the helicopter over there, so they

519
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: gestured us to walk over to the helicopter. I was

520
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: so hypothermic and I don't know, semi conscious, relapsing in

521
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: and out of consciousness. At that point, there was no

522
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: way I could walk that distance to the helicopter. So

523
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: Bob Grant, again, the one that could not swim, He

524
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: got out of the helicopter, walked across that ice, not

525
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: knowing how thick the ice on the inlet was or

526
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: how deep the water was, walked over the little hill

527
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: and got me and sort of like slung me and

528
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: have sort of dragged me, carried me over and brought

529
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: me into the helicopter. The pilot, Jerry Koshinsky, was able

530
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: to get into the helicopter. So then they had both

531
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: of us in the helicopter and they brought us to

532
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Kenora Hospital. Now I remember watching from above because once

533
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: I was in the helicopter, I think I lost consciousness.

534
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: I stopped having awareness of my body, and it was

535
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: just that I was watching my body. I watched from

536
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: above as they landed on the driveway at the hospital

537
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: and the emergency room staff. They put us each on

538
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: a stretcher and put us in the emergency department. And

539
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: I remember watching from above as a nurse was trying

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00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: to take my temperature. She was using a standard mercury thermometer,

541
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: and I remember she was puzzled. She was looking at

542
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: it like, why was she not getting a temperature reading

543
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: on my body? Well, my body temperature was below the

544
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: bottom reading on a standard mercury thermometer, which is why

545
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: she was not getting a temperature reading. I could feel

546
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: my consciousness drifting further and further away from my body.

547
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: I knew I was dying. That's okay, I mean I

548
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: was in the light. I knew I was dying. All

549
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I hear a voice, boy, could I

550
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: use a hot bath? I remember being very surprised to

551
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: discover that those words came out of my mouth, my

552
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: physical body's mouth, because I'd not been thinking that, I'd

553
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: not been trying to say it. I don't know if

554
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: my guardian angels spoke through my mouth or what happened,

555
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: but here's your meaningful coincidence. That's exactly what we needed.

556
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: We needed to be submerged in hot water. We needed

557
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: to be reheated. They didn't realize how hypothermic and close

558
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: to death I was. But when those words came out

559
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: of my mouth, the nurses said to one another, I

560
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: remember watching from above. Hey, maybe that would help her.

561
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: Maybe we should take her down the physiotherapy put her

562
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: in the hot world pulled bath, and so they did.

563
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: They wheeled me and the pilot and the nurse down

564
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: to the physiotherapy department, finally took off my ice encrusted clothes,

565
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: put me in the hot water. It was there, as

566
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: my body rewarmed, that I felt my consciousness under my body,

567
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: and it was like wsh how they depict the genie

568
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: being sucked into a bottle. I felt like I'd been

569
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: in this expansive, wonderful place above, and suddenly some other

570
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: force sucked me into the small confines of my body

571
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: and then I was back. All of stes are spiritually

572
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: transformed it experiences. I coined that phrase back in nineteen

573
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: ninety four in one of my earlier books and also

574
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: in an article that I wrote for the Journal of

575
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: Mere Death Studies. And I coined that phrase because I

576
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: felt it was really important both for medicine and for

577
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: the general public to have a non pathological word to

578
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: describe some of the spiritual and pureanormal experiences that were

579
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: happening to people. Because back when this happened to me

580
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, you know, I discomp did my

581
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: medical training. There was nothing in medicine that would embrace

582
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: the type of experience I had as real that when

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00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: I spoke with all of my medical doctor friends after

584
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: it happened, I wanted to tell people and if you

585
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: ever heard anything like this, and what's it called? I mean,

586
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: I didn't even have a word to describe my experience.

587
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: Everybody knew me, they knew I wasn't crazy, but all

588
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: my medical colleagues said it was a hallucination brought on

589
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: by a low blood sugar hallucination brought on by an

590
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: electro life and beho hallucination brought on by the cold.

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00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so it started as the plane was

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00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: going down. The other thing is I've seen many people hallucinating,

593
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: they don't become changed and spiritually transformed afterwards. This experience

594
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: changed me in a positive way, in a spiritual way.

595
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: I lost my year of death because I knew we

596
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: live on after we die. I became much more spiritual,

597
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: not because I was taught in my religion of childhood

598
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: to be religious or spiritual, but because I knew that

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00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: we were truly spiritual beings, and that what I'd been

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00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: taught in the books when I was younger, that there

601
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: is a God, a higher power. Maybe the way I

602
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: was taught the higher power looked was not exactly accurate,

603
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: but the Higher Power is real, It exists and loves

604
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: us all. I became much more tolerant with people with

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00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: diverse religious viewpoints and traditions because I realized we're all

606
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: trying to understand the same one truth. I had a

607
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: psychic awakening shortly afterwards. A few weeks afterwards, I was

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00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: driving to visit a friend and I was stopped at

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00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: a red light, and all of a sudden, I got

610
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: a clear visual image in my mind's eye of my

611
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: friend's brain covered in puss.

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Speaker 4: The more interesting words by doctor Yvonne Gayson. When we

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Speaker 4: get back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to cost Am Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 4: and you're listening to doctor Yvonne Cason, author of Touched

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Speaker 4: by the Light. Now she's talking about the after effects

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Speaker 4: of her experience.

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Speaker 1: I had a psychic awakening shortly afterwards. A few weeks afterwards,

620
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I was driving to visit a friend and I was

621
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: stopped at a red light, and all of a sudden,

622
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: I got a clear visual image in my mind's eye

623
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: of my friend's brain covered in puss. And as a

624
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: medical doctor, the symbology was crystal clear. I meant meningitis,

625
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: and somehow I also it was my friend's brain. And anyway,

626
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: to make a long story short, yes, later on that

627
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: day she was taken to the emerged and diagnosed with

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00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: acute meningitis. So that was my first and many clairvoyant experiences.

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Speaker 1: Then I started having clear audience experiences, clear sentient experiences

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: and for years, when I tried to understand what happened

631
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: to be in the plane crash, I was told it

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00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: was not a near death experience because I'd not been dead, okay,

633
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: and because I hadn't seen a tunnel okay. So I said, well,

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00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: if it's not a near death experience, what is it.

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00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: The best word I could find was a mystical experience.

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00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: For many years, for almost ten years, I called it

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00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: my mystical experience that happened in the plane crash. So

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: here's me, a young doctor. I'd had an out of

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00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: body experience. I'd had a mystical experience. Now I was

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00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: having all sorts of psychic experiences prior to this end.

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00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: I know I'm not crazy. I mean, I'm running a

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00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: metal practice, I'm teaching at the University of Toronto. But

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00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm keeping all of this in the closet. It's all

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Speaker 1: sort of secret that these things are happening to me.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, more and more patients started

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Speaker 1: safe to talk to, an MD they felt safe to

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Speaker 1: hallucination or sign of mental illness. The stories I heard

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Speaker 1: from people were heartbreaking. I was really really disturbed how

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Speaker 1: people were being pathologized, sometimes put in psychiatric wards, sometimes

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Speaker 1: by their churches, being told it's work of the devil,

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Speaker 1: being estranged by their family. Why are they obsessed with this?

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Speaker 1: It really became clear to me that we needed to

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Speaker 1: have a greater understanding, meaning the medical profession, society in general,

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Speaker 1: of spiritual experiences because they are happening to people, and

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Speaker 1: they are not a sign of mental illness, and we

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Speaker 1: are actually causing harm by labeling them as mental illness.

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Speaker 1: That's what propelled me to come up with this term

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Speaker 1: spiritually transformative experiences as an umbrella term for the wide

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Speaker 1: range of spiritual and paranormal experiences that people are having

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Speaker 1: today that are not signs of mental illness. They are

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Speaker 1: part of a spiritual awakening process, an expansion of consciousness

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Speaker 1: that's happening on the planet. We haven't mentioned my book

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Speaker 1: Touched by the Light, which I released in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: where I described many of my experiences because I've had

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Speaker 1: five near death experiences. Each one is different, but each

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Speaker 1: one is complementary, you know. I look at it that

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Speaker 1: the nature of the universe is so vast, and when

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Speaker 1: you have, you know, mystical experiences or near death experience

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Speaker 1: or other sorts of stes, it's like you're getting a

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Speaker 1: bigger glimpse than what we normally have in our normal worldview.

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Speaker 1: Those bigger glimpses, there's still much more to be seen,

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Speaker 1: so the glimpses are cumulatively additive. I was elected president

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Speaker 1: of in twenty nineteen. I was invited to be on

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Speaker 1: the board of directors in twenty eighteen, and then I

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Speaker 1: was elected president, but I stepped down from that early

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty because my passion, as I have said,

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Speaker 1: going back to the seventies, has been the whole range.

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Speaker 1: And how I understand it is that near death experience

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Speaker 1: is our one type of spiritually transformative experience. And what

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Speaker 1: felt right for my soul was I felt the need.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I had a strong calling or what we

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Speaker 1: sometimes call a download, where I felt guidance from spirit

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Speaker 1: that I was being called to start a new organization,

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Speaker 1: This happened in July of twenty nineteen. I remember clearly

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Speaker 1: I was given the name of the organization Spiritual Awakenings International.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know how I would do it or

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Speaker 1: when I would do it, But all I knew is

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Speaker 1: that this resonated with my soul, that this was a

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Speaker 1: set for me, that just looking at near death experiences

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Speaker 1: was too narrow a focus. It all came together in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty with a whole series of coincidences. But I

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Speaker 1: happened to meet by coincidence, Robert Beer, and once we

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Speaker 1: started talking, it was actually Robert who got the download first.

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Speaker 1: He says, you know, Yvonne, I'm just getting this strong

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Speaker 1: intuition that we're meant to start another organization looking at

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Speaker 1: all of stes or spiritually Transformed it experiences. And I

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Speaker 1: of course said, well, I'll have to meditate on that.

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Speaker 1: And then when I meditated on it, bang, I got

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Speaker 1: my downloads. Yep, that's right. That we'll do our best

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Speaker 1: for I ins while we're president and vice president some

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Speaker 1: time in the future. We both felt really strongly called

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Speaker 1: that we were to found another organization. Well, as it

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Speaker 1: turned out, by coincidence, again, we both were clear by

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Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty not we wish to step down.

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Speaker 1: We were elected as president and vice president of Illans.

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Speaker 1: We stepped down very cordially wish them well, but we

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Speaker 1: feel called to start this new organization, so together, in

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Speaker 1: June of twenty twenty, we launched Spiritual Awakenings International as

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Speaker 1: a nonprofit global network incorporated as a five oh one

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Speaker 1: c three nonprofit charity in the United States, and our mission,

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Speaker 1: our vision is global because we know that spiritual awakenings

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Speaker 1: is a human phenomenon. It's happening to people all over

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Speaker 1: the world. We're focusing on all types of spiritually transformative experiences.

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Speaker 1: Our goal is to raise awareness of all these types

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Speaker 1: of stes spiritually transformative experiences. Secondly, to facilitate networking, because

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Speaker 1: so many people or groups are sort of isolated out

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Speaker 1: there and they don't realize that by invisible fingers or

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Speaker 1: meaningful coincidences, there are many groups all over the world

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Speaker 1: and we actually are a network and if we can

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Speaker 1: connect with each other, we can strengthen each other and

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Speaker 1: form a stronger mesh that is helping to raise awareness.

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Speaker 1: So for us safe place to share and also where

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Speaker 1: researchers can share. We have a great website with a

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Speaker 1: lot of information about all different types of spiritually transformative

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Speaker 1: experiences and for a lot of people, just even getting

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Speaker 1: an accurate name for your type of experience is profoundly healing.

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Speaker 1: We have monthly events. We have a featured speaker event

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Speaker 1: always the third Saturday of the month. We have our

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Speaker 1: SAI Experiences sharing circles the first Saturday each month. This

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Speaker 1: is all online and it's all free. We've also now

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Speaker 1: started in Spanish. The second Saturday, we have speaker events

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Speaker 1: and we have sharing circles in Spanish. We are really

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Speaker 1: proud to be so international. We have subscribers. Although the

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Speaker 1: United States and Canada are our top subscribers for a

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Speaker 1: Spiritual Weakness International, we have subscribers from sixty five countries

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Speaker 1: around the world. So go to our website, which is

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Speaker 1: Spiritual Awakenings International dot org and you can find out

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Speaker 1: about events. And also we have a Spiritual Awakenings International

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel that you can go to and you can

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Speaker 1: watch videos of some of our past speakers and last

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Speaker 1: year's conference. So invite people to do that if they'd

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Speaker 1: like to learn more. Also, I'm a very proud grandmother.

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Speaker 1: My first and only grandson was born approximately one year ago.

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Speaker 1: I love being a hands on grandmother. He is my

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Speaker 1: pride and joy, but my spiritual work, my volunteer work,

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Speaker 1: is my other big joy. I also have a local

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Speaker 1: group here in Toronto that I lead called Toronto Awakening

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Speaker 1: Sharing Group. I'm retired from medical practice. We didn't have

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Speaker 1: time to say that. My last near death experience in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three was because I had a serious

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Speaker 1: accident with a traumatic brain injury, and that traumatic brain

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Speaker 1: injury disabled me for twelve years, and then I experienced

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Speaker 1: a miracle. It might be a meaningful coincidence in that

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Speaker 1: since I was disabled, I focused very much on my

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Speaker 1: meditation practice, and they now realize, have discovered medical science

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Speaker 1: that meditation is a very strong stimulus to brain neuroplasticity.

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Speaker 1: So I was doing lots and lots of meditation and

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Speaker 1: deep in meditation. February of twenty sixteen, I experienced a miracle.

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Speaker 1: I had an eruption of light in the center of

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Speaker 1: my brain and my brain was healed. And since that

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Speaker 1: time I started writing books again. I wrote that book,

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Speaker 1: Touched by the Light, was the first book I wrote

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Speaker 1: after my brain healing. I've written another one. I have

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Speaker 1: two more that are cooking. I started volunteering public speaking.

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Speaker 1: That's all been since my brain healing in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I call myself Yvonne version two point zero. That I

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Speaker 1: was offline for refurbishing it for twelve years and then

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Speaker 1: the Good Lord brought me back by meaningful coincidence to

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Speaker 1: continue on. And I'm really really delighted and grateful to

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Speaker 1: had that profound healing experience, and I'm delighted to currently

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Speaker 1: be the president of Spiritual Awakenings International.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Yvonne Casen is a lady who just doesn't give up.

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Speaker 4: She's passionate, she's bold, She's got a sense of humor,

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Speaker 4: and keeps her eye on being of service. She mentioned

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Speaker 4: miraculous healing. When you think of healing, it's all mirac

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Speaker 4: that our bodies can heal. Say we have a common

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Speaker 4: cut or cold and knows just what to do. Speaking

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Speaker 4: of intelligence, think of the instinct of animals. How do

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Speaker 4: salmon's know how to swim upstream to the exact location

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Speaker 4: they were born? We have an intelligent universe. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 4: it make sense that in the dying process, we're greeted

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Speaker 4: by our deceased loved ones, looking young and healthy, telling

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Speaker 4: us we're going on a trip to get ready as

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Speaker 4: we've heard in so many deathbed visitations. And then when

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Speaker 4: we pass, we're drawn to the light. We have those

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Speaker 4: reunions with our loved ones. We're filled with a feeling

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Speaker 4: of unconditional love, colors we've never seen, celestial music. I

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Speaker 4: think these are much more than meaningful coincidences. I think

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Speaker 4: this is the intelligence of life and death. I want

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Speaker 4: to remind you that much. My website is we Don't

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Speaker 4: Die dot com. Join my Insiders Club. That's just my

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Speaker 4: all kinds of surprise free goodies for you, and of

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Speaker 4: It's an inspirational and empowering service on Zoom with a

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Speaker 4: medium demonstration included atweedotdie dot com. In closing, I'm Sandra Champlain.

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