Speaker 1: Do you remember the nineties ads that were like be
Speaker 1: the couch. Do you remember that terrible don't? ABC had
Speaker 1: a whole thing be the couch? You couch potatoes are
Speaker 1: your friend. I still we had those yellow It was
Speaker 1: like it will And I do remember the argument we
Speaker 1: got into that year. We went to the party where
Speaker 1: there was the ABC Beginning of the Year party where
Speaker 1: we got those like that gear because that was the
Speaker 1: whole campaign. It was like TV is good for you, right,
Speaker 1: and so it was like this like whole and we
Speaker 1: got all this stuff like mugs and sweaters and T
Speaker 1: shirts or whatever. And we were driving back from the party,
Speaker 1: were driving me. It was me and then my college
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time, and you and we we got
Speaker 1: into such a huge debate, and I remember like we
Speaker 1: were screaming at each other because you were pro TV
Speaker 1: and I was anti TV and this campaign launched this discussion,
Speaker 1: and I remember you just being like, what so it's
Speaker 1: better for a whole family to sit around with their
Speaker 1: noses and books. No, we're talking to each other. And
Speaker 1: I remember I finally just had to say, will, You're
Speaker 1: gonna drop us off at home? And I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about this anymore. It's like one of the
Speaker 1: few times I cut off, but it ended up being
Speaker 1: I ended up doing a whole thing in college. I
Speaker 1: think later on that year that was actually about the negative.
Speaker 1: I did a presentation about trying to research the negative
Speaker 1: effects of television, and I came out on the other side.
Speaker 1: It was funny. So you did change me, you know.
Speaker 1: You talk about the times when I've changed opining, and
Speaker 1: this was a very clear time when I got so
Speaker 1: flustered and upset with you, you know, because in part
Speaker 1: I felt defending being anti TV was important to me
Speaker 1: because I think at the time it defended it defended
Speaker 1: the way I had been raised, you know, which made
Speaker 1: me feel different or special from everybody. And I think
Speaker 1: also at that time I was very frustrated with boy's
Speaker 1: world and the sense of the lack of control I
Speaker 1: felt in my life, and so blaming TV or thinking
Speaker 1: that TV is this like awful monster was somehow the
Speaker 1: way I was processing it. And I remember, you just
Speaker 1: like cut through all that bullground. I also had a
Speaker 1: friend at the time who said to me, he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, writer, you hating television and then working in
Speaker 1: it is sort of like people that that that uh,
Speaker 1: you know, work at tobacco companies, but that don't smoke
Speaker 1: themselves or or talk about and it was like, right,
Speaker 1: there is some sort of ethical problem. It was, yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyway, you totally change. I remember that that college semester,
Speaker 1: I ended up doing a whole presentation about television. I
Speaker 1: went into the history of television um and and ended
Speaker 1: up sort of positive about You know, of course that
Speaker 1: there aren't that many negative effects to television watching the necessarily,
Speaker 1: but there's always been a moral panic around it. Every
Speaker 1: generation is a moral panic or right, but it is
Speaker 1: a pretty horrible campaign. I just remember, be the couch.
Speaker 1: Be the couch I have. I still have a mug
Speaker 1: every you know, and sometimes I'll grab it just by
Speaker 1: accidents with all my other mugs, and it just says
Speaker 1: ABC on one side in bright yellow, the couch is
Speaker 1: your friend. I love it. Man. I wish I had
Speaker 1: that mug. Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishal,
Speaker 1: I'm right or strong, and I'm Wilfredell. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've heard, but we've gotten merch. That's right. We
Speaker 1: have got shirts on shirts on shirts. Some might say
Speaker 1: we have too much shirts, which is one of the
Speaker 1: shirts we have. We have a Pod meets World shirt,
Speaker 1: a too Much shirt shirt. We have a shirt with
Speaker 1: a heart that says Pod Dismissed, which is super cute.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you heard the episode last
Speaker 1: week with Leon Norris a k a. Steward Mangus, but
Speaker 1: we have a hold the Plane for Mangus shirt. But
Speaker 1: we only have that shirt for one week, so please
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Speaker 1: the shirts at Pod meets World show dot com. And
Speaker 1: if you get your shirt, put it on, take a picture,
Speaker 1: put it on Instagram, tag us. We will re quote you, picture,
Speaker 1: you will instagram you, You'll be on our story. I'm young,
Speaker 1: so I'm really excited about this episode. Um our. Last episode,
Speaker 1: we had a fantastic opportunity to talk to Lee Uh.
Speaker 1: It was so great to have him on. He's just
Speaker 1: incredible and so is the character of Mincus. And this
Speaker 1: is a fantastic Mincus episode. Now, this is the first
Speaker 1: episode you guys filmed. You talked about that in the
Speaker 1: episode with Lee. Uh, We're we finally arrived. Episode one
Speaker 1: oh five, the first episode you guys all recorded together
Speaker 1: Killer Bees. Nicki Cox makes her appearance finally, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and we have the one guy as Ellis he's back
Speaker 1: and um yeah. This synopsis is that Corey enters a
Speaker 1: geography b for a chance to be a bat boy
Speaker 1: at the World Series. Eric is going to an Aerosmith
Speaker 1: concert with his date, Nicki Cox and is embarrassed that
Speaker 1: his mom and dad are going to the same concert. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I So. The thing I remember most about this episode
Speaker 1: not only being as nervous as I've arguably ever been
Speaker 1: in my life, and that's saying something when you're anxiety boy,
Speaker 1: but I distinctly remember the scene at the end that
Speaker 1: we'll get to. Uh was my audition piece, Like this
Speaker 1: was These were the lines I had to say to
Speaker 1: get the role of Eric Matthews Cot the parents being
Speaker 1: at the same concert, And I remember the monologue almost
Speaker 1: verbatim still because it was so important and I worked
Speaker 1: on it and I, you know, tried to try to
Speaker 1: make it my own, which of course it was. I
Speaker 1: was very stiff. Eric stilldon and it. Oh it's one
Speaker 1: of those things. We're watching it now from a comedic standpoint.
Speaker 1: I'm somehow missing two jokes in every one line, and
Speaker 1: I just want to go back and grab myself and
Speaker 1: be like, dude, you just missed four jokes somehow, like
Speaker 1: you could have made all of that funny. It worked
Speaker 1: at the time, but just where the character ended up,
Speaker 1: it was like, man, that could have been so much
Speaker 1: funnier if you do it this way. But that's what
Speaker 1: I remember most about this episode was being nervous meeting
Speaker 1: Nikki um and uh and this was my audition piece,
Speaker 1: Like this was how I got Eric Matthews. So this
Speaker 1: was a fun episode to watch. And by the way,
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, we talked about how amazingly
Speaker 1: is and he's incredible in this Ben had some moments
Speaker 1: in this episode that were laugh out loud funny. So
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Well, it was written by Michael Jacobs,
Speaker 1: April Kelly, and Susan Estelle Janssen. Um. I remember Susan,
Speaker 1: but I don't. Yeah, whatever ended up happening to her?
Speaker 1: Where did she go? Was? She just came and wrote
Speaker 1: an episode of Girls World. You can see her when
Speaker 1: she came back to Grom's World. She did all seven
Speaker 1: seasons A boy seven. I'm pretty sure she was she
Speaker 1: was one of our regulars. She was on her and
Speaker 1: she was one of the writers I talked to the
Speaker 1: most and connected with. She recommended books to me. She's
Speaker 1: Harvard Memory Serves, Oh my gosh. Yeah, she talked about
Speaker 1: her professors and like she's she's the first person to
Speaker 1: tell me to read Hemingway. She told me. She was like,
Speaker 1: you know, because of course I hadn't heard of Hemyway.
Speaker 1: But she was the one who's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you should read A Movable Feast And still to this day,
Speaker 1: that's like a life changing book for me. When I
Speaker 1: was fourteen or fifteen, she told me to read that.
Speaker 1: But she was great. She was always you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked about several we talked. We've said this about a
Speaker 1: couple of different adults. But she was somebody who always
Speaker 1: talked to us as equals and like would always sit
Speaker 1: and hang out with us, and like I said, recommend
Speaker 1: books or movies. And yeah, she's been that all seven
Speaker 1: but she was there for at least four or five.
Speaker 1: She was there for a while. She is one of
Speaker 1: the people in the folklore of who named to Penga.
Speaker 1: She is one of the people who who may have
Speaker 1: named to Penga and writer. When you said when she
Speaker 1: came back and wrote an episode of Girl Meets World,
Speaker 1: it reminded me that I think that's maybe where I
Speaker 1: had the conversation with her, where maybe she told me
Speaker 1: she was the one who named to Penga. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, Guys, my memory gotta find this Who
Speaker 1: named to Panga is the new what's the matrix? Like
Speaker 1: that thing? Who Named? Because I want to we got
Speaker 1: to find that that's too big a piece of television.
Speaker 1: We're going to get conflicting results. I think we're going
Speaker 1: to have, you know, four or five different narratives and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to just pick one to the listener
Speaker 1: to decide exactly we should maybe do it as a
Speaker 1: mock trial. Each one of us will take a case
Speaker 1: and we'll present the true crime podcast. We'll just go
Speaker 1: off on a hole on a whole different tangent. That
Speaker 1: will be great funny. So to start the episode, we
Speaker 1: are in Mr Phenie's classroom. Corey is wearing two hoods,
Speaker 1: hoods too much, hoods too much much. He is wearing
Speaker 1: a hooded sweatshirt and a hooded flannel and probably a
Speaker 1: T shirt underneath. But you can't see it, but the hood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably a T shirt with the hood. That's what we
Speaker 1: gotta make. So we're in. We're in Phoinie's classroom. Minus
Speaker 1: gets the highest test score in his class. Corey gets
Speaker 1: a C on his geography test, even though he says
Speaker 1: he studies or that he studied. Corey argues with Mr
Speaker 1: Feeney about the textbook, saying that geography keeps changing. And
Speaker 1: Sean throws a paper plane at the back of mincus head.
Speaker 1: So do you remember. I know what Will is going
Speaker 1: to say about this, because he was there too. It
Speaker 1: wasn't Mincus, right, it was Limpy? Right? Is it Lemky?
Speaker 1: So his original name was Stuart lem Key and it
Speaker 1: lasted throughout the entire week until right before tape night.
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking Minkus was such a worse name
Speaker 1: than lem agreed Lemky was a great name for this character.
Speaker 1: But apparently there really was a Stewart limp Key in Philadelphia. Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. What are the chances? So apparently you
Speaker 1: can have a name on a television show, you know
Speaker 1: that goes through a process called clearance, where the legal
Speaker 1: team at a studio or network goes through and checks
Speaker 1: all the names of characters, all the references to brands
Speaker 1: or whatever, and clears the names legally so that it's
Speaker 1: okay to use these things. And if there's enough, if
Speaker 1: there's a name that's common enough, like in other words,
Speaker 1: if there's a Corey Matthews, it's likely that there are
Speaker 1: multiple Corey Matthews in the world, or that there's enough
Speaker 1: Corey Matthews spread throughout the country, or that it's not
Speaker 1: one specific place with that one specific name. But it
Speaker 1: turned out that there actually was one person named Stuart
Speaker 1: Lemkey in Philadelphia, and because of that, that person had
Speaker 1: a right to sue us if we use their name
Speaker 1: unless we like contacted Stuart Lemkin said, hey, can we
Speaker 1: name a television character after you? So rather than deal
Speaker 1: with that, they decided to just change it to Minka's
Speaker 1: which is great, amazing story. Yeah, I still here in
Speaker 1: my head, I hear Ben going Lemkey right, But that
Speaker 1: was also I remember Michael working with Ben on that beat,
Speaker 1: the like no, draw it out, make it longer. He's
Speaker 1: like limpy right, It's he's like no, no no, no, Lemky,
Speaker 1: Like you know, Michael kind of giving a read line
Speaker 1: reading line reading and what are you talking about Michael
Speaker 1: One is lumpy right? You want Lemky like make it
Speaker 1: a bit kind of thing. And so every time I
Speaker 1: see that, now I see kind of Michael doing that
Speaker 1: the right that was a that was a thing. Well
Speaker 1: you could tell it was a really big favorite of
Speaker 1: Michael's because we see it three times in it gets
Speaker 1: called back within minutes. Um, kept trying, kept trying to
Speaker 1: see what was gonna stick. By the way, if you
Speaker 1: are Stewart Lempy, the Stewart Lemkey from Philadelphia around, please
Speaker 1: reach out to us. Probably told at gmail dot com
Speaker 1: we'd love to talk to you. Just awesome, that'd be great. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we get Mincus. Is it Mancus? It's Mancus?
Speaker 1: And then we get our opening, the absolutely crazy song.
Speaker 1: I still can't get over it. I've now started skipping it.
Speaker 1: I was listening to it the open every time, and
Speaker 1: he won't let me, and he won't he loves it.
Speaker 1: I guess you know what, Listen, it's gotta it's gotta.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be a reason why he likes it. A
Speaker 1: lot of people probably do. I have had to skip it.
Speaker 1: I just bring me right back to that Hollywood Christmas bread.
Speaker 1: But I have to skip it. Yeah, so then we're
Speaker 1: still in Phoene's cast class. Get out of tune music
Speaker 1: box into your head, right, It's like in a horror film.
Speaker 1: Damn man, man Man. By the way, I think I
Speaker 1: found a picture from the Hollywood Pick Christmas Parade. Uh,
Speaker 1: and weren't we just in were in cars? You had
Speaker 1: mentioned that we had floats. I don't think we had. Well, well,
Speaker 1: we did it so the year that we had the
Speaker 1: theme song going, it was a giant float with the
Speaker 1: globe on it. Everything you would do. One year where
Speaker 1: it was like it was you guys in like Rodney
Speaker 1: Dangerfield or something that story. Me and Ben Savage and
Speaker 1: Rodney Dangerfield and we got his car broke down, so
Speaker 1: he and his wife ended up on ours. It was, wow,
Speaker 1: what show are you on? I've never heard of it, honey,
Speaker 1: you have heard of this show? We're like, it's a
Speaker 1: kids show. Mr. Danger And he didn't realize how long
Speaker 1: the parade was, you know, it's only like I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it took like it took like an hour and
Speaker 1: a half. And his car broke down, so we had
Speaker 1: to get into our car and Ben and I were
Speaker 1: just petrified. Staring up at Rodney Dangerfield and he's just like,
Speaker 1: who are you? Because what ended up happening was the
Speaker 1: fans knew us because they were all kids. It's like
Speaker 1: fanili holiday parade, so they were freaking out about us.
Speaker 1: And then only like every you know, a hundred people
Speaker 1: or so, there'd be some dude going like Rodney. That
Speaker 1: would all he would get. So he kept getting more
Speaker 1: and more upset that we were getting all this attention
Speaker 1: and he had no clue who we were. So then
Speaker 1: he finally just said, you know what, can we stop?
Speaker 1: How long is this thing? I want to get off?
Speaker 1: I want to get off, and and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't stop the parade unless there's a medical emergency.
Speaker 1: So like five minutes go by, and he goes, you
Speaker 1: know what, it's a medical emergency, getting me an ambulance.
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. The day they stopped
Speaker 1: the parade, Rodney Dangerfield stopped the parade to get away
Speaker 1: from us. They took him away in an ambulances like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a medical emergency. I got chest pains, get me
Speaker 1: out of here. And we're like, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: want escorted him away in an ambulance halfway through the parade,
Speaker 1: the great story we can relax. Wow, I'm going to
Speaker 1: use that if I ever need to get away from
Speaker 1: this podcast immediately, like for for I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: like medical emergency, bring me an ambulance, get me away
Speaker 1: from these two. No respect, no respect. Oh, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's a great story writer in Hollywood story Christmas Grade.
Speaker 1: So Mr Feenie announces that this year's Geography tournament has
Speaker 1: a prize to be the bat boy at the upcoming
Speaker 1: World Series, and we realized that Corey is suddenly very interested,
Speaker 1: even though he has never really been interested in geography before.
Speaker 1: Corey says he thinks it's a mistake that poene wants
Speaker 1: to take Mincas to the tournament, and Feeney says he's
Speaker 1: full of confidence in Mankus, and we get Phoenie doing
Speaker 1: the call back that's actually the third time it get
Speaker 1: The second time it gets called back, we get the
Speaker 1: there's minkusamenus. Then Corey says Mancus isn't markus the second time,
Speaker 1: and then Phoenie at the end calls back and says, no,
Speaker 1: I have full confidence in Mankus. My confidence is in
Speaker 1: Manus all. In the first two scenes, we have the
Speaker 1: same joke three times, which means it was clearly a
Speaker 1: favorite of at least one persons have killed at a
Speaker 1: table read and it run through and they're like, this
Speaker 1: is this is working, this is the one want it? Uh.
Speaker 1: So we are then in the kitchen, Eric and I
Speaker 1: just want to talk about the When you see the
Speaker 1: awards on the wall. You know, I love that because
Speaker 1: I knew what was what was called. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be something else taking that place. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if I just remember that or if it's
Speaker 1: just a perfect setup, but you know, knowing that the
Speaker 1: plaque is going to come or you know, not come
Speaker 1: this year was I just love that visual. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a good visual. I did not even think ahead
Speaker 1: to like what was going to go in that spot
Speaker 1: because I don't remember the episode at all, so I
Speaker 1: didn't remember if Mangas ended up doing wasn't there, So
Speaker 1: I didn't remember the episode at all, So I didn't
Speaker 1: know if Mincus was gonna end up coming in and
Speaker 1: saving the day or so it didn't even occur to
Speaker 1: me like what's going to go in that spot. I
Speaker 1: just it went right past me, but then obviously seeing
Speaker 1: it called back later is even though you weren't in
Speaker 1: this this is always how I wonder you know how
Speaker 1: far ahead they think. So this is the first episode
Speaker 1: we shot, they already have to have a bunch written.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Topanga is even named yet, like by
Speaker 1: this point for the first episode, four episodes ahead or
Speaker 1: three or four scripts from the Yeah, I wonder if
Speaker 1: the name Topanga has even come out of anybody's mouth yet.
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't think so, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: bet I bet to Pango was um, probably a last
Speaker 1: minute addition to the script, like, well, I think that
Speaker 1: probably what happened, um, And I don't remember if we
Speaker 1: talked about this when we When we did the episode
Speaker 1: for Corey's alternative of Friends, the storyline was based on
Speaker 1: the true story that Michael Jacobs actually did try and straight.
Speaker 1: So I bet you that that pitch was already laid
Speaker 1: out as an episode, like I'm sure that they had
Speaker 1: by this time. But if you think about it that storyline,
Speaker 1: then you know that that's the pitch, and then it
Speaker 1: leads to, oh, he gets stuck at this weird o
Speaker 1: table because he's ostracized. What if there's a girl at
Speaker 1: the weirdo table who becomes, you know, a love introduce
Speaker 1: Storer's first kiss. So I wonder how far along in
Speaker 1: the development of that storyline to Panga entered, you know,
Speaker 1: But I imagine it was story first, and then who
Speaker 1: can be the person that you know makes being weird cool,
Speaker 1: Let's make it a girl character, and then created to
Speaker 1: Panga out of that. But yeah, I have no idea
Speaker 1: if it was here. I'm curious. I don't think I
Speaker 1: knew that it was a true story about Michael straightening
Speaker 1: his hair. I don't think any Yeah. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: was all based on him trying it as a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he actually did straighten his hair. Apparently that's funny. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we're in the kitchen. Eric says he cannot baby
Speaker 1: sit on Friday because he's taking Heather to the Aerosmith concert.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so Jensen asked me. We went to the
Speaker 1: Aerosmith concert after we did this episode, because it was
Speaker 1: the next year. It was probably two or three. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so crazy. That was my first concert stage. I met everybody,
Speaker 1: and I have this great photo of all of us
Speaker 1: with the band. It was great, and we're with the
Speaker 1: whole band. It's it's awesome. It's really cool. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would love to see that picture. Um. Yeah, we went.
Speaker 1: We went in a limo together. Where was it? I
Speaker 1: don't think it was in l A. It was outside
Speaker 1: of town somewhere at a big stadium, right, was it
Speaker 1: Orange County? Maybe didn't we was it the pond? Gosh?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I just know it was. It
Speaker 1: was a drive and we all took a limo together.
Speaker 1: That's right, it was done. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: whole concert, memory serves. We did not stay for the
Speaker 1: whole show. We went backstage before the show and then
Speaker 1: I remember they for a few songs, and then because
Speaker 1: we were all kids, we you know, they brought us
Speaker 1: home early. So it was kind of like they hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten we were to the B sides yet. We hadn't
Speaker 1: heard dream On or any of the big ones by
Speaker 1: this point. It was kind of like, oh, there are
Speaker 1: new stuff and then we're gone. But it was writer myself,
Speaker 1: will Ben, and we went with Angel and Vicky. Are
Speaker 1: are pe quote unquote physical trainers are pe teachers. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know that taught us and the home improvement kids
Speaker 1: for that wreck period that we talked about they would
Speaker 1: always come every was it every day they would come
Speaker 1: to sort of help lead us in our wreck time,
Speaker 1: but they also became friends. How business personal edge Wasn't
Speaker 1: that what it was called? It was like it was
Speaker 1: personal edge training. How did they then become so involved
Speaker 1: in our social lives too? Because questions. I also have
Speaker 1: pictures like we went to baseball games. I have pictures
Speaker 1: of me with Eric Carros and Rick Garcia and Angel
Speaker 1: and Vicky at based at Dodger Games Amsterdam with Angel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we used a video with Angel video. I have it.
Speaker 1: I just sent a picture of it to Danielle. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it right now. So we got we got
Speaker 1: very intertwined with Angel and Vickie. And at this stage
Speaker 1: in our connection with them, they were they were just
Speaker 1: really good at hustling connections to stuff, like I remember
Speaker 1: them getting you know, like backstage passes to Aerosmith. So
Speaker 1: they would always just like you know, call us or
Speaker 1: invite us to stuff. And they were just always like
Speaker 1: finding a business angle or they would get us like
Speaker 1: I remember I got a free snowboard one time, because
Speaker 1: they just they would just they would give they would
Speaker 1: be like, hey, this company wants, which at the time,
Speaker 1: like I didn't think in those terms. I mean, now
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of understood that you get like
Speaker 1: free stuff if you're on a TV show and you
Speaker 1: just promoted or whatever. But back then they were in
Speaker 1: that teen magazine circle somehow, I guess because they were
Speaker 1: not ever go to the Nike store. Did you ever
Speaker 1: do the days where they would bring you to the
Speaker 1: Nike store and they literally it was like this store
Speaker 1: was empty and they go pick and you kind that
Speaker 1: maybe it was rebock, maybe it was reboking, not Nike,
Speaker 1: might have been rebod. One of that was Angel and Vickier.
Speaker 1: You just did that because Angel and Vickier. It had
Speaker 1: something to do with boy Meats World. But it was
Speaker 1: just like you could walk around the store and fill
Speaker 1: up bags of shoes and clothes, and I mean it
Speaker 1: was insane. It was not only did it once or twice,
Speaker 1: but it was you got all this free stuff. And
Speaker 1: then Angel and Vickie got us Oxygen's, remember that, which
Speaker 1: was like the top of the line roller blade at
Speaker 1: the time. It was like the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Um got us these pairs of of they were called Oxygen's,
Speaker 1: And I remember other like Rydan and I did an
Speaker 1: inline skating video and we've never heard of it. And
Speaker 1: we're experts in pro your pro inline skaters, aren't you.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know where you're getting
Speaker 1: this information. Never forget, anybody knows the inline skates. It's
Speaker 1: I want to camp roller blade. Probably there was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still around, but they were,
Speaker 1: and it was right in my hometown in Santa Rosa,
Speaker 1: which is like right near where I grew up. Um
Speaker 1: they were. They were the big push for for inline
Speaker 1: skating as like a movement at the time. And where
Speaker 1: in Santa Rosa there is a Snoopy ice skating rank
Speaker 1: UM and it's Um, the daughter of Charles Schultz who
Speaker 1: created Snoopy, and they have this ice skating rank and
Speaker 1: his world famous and she was a huge supporter of
Speaker 1: inline skating and she like started camp Rollerblade and we
Speaker 1: would go and like do ramps and have like professional
Speaker 1: rollerblade teachers come and like, yeah, it was a whole
Speaker 1: week of rollerblade. It was just crazy. But it seems
Speaker 1: like a camp with a lot of broken wrists. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: people who got wrecked. I remember like air accidents every day.
Speaker 1: I remember watching it was either Cheach and it was
Speaker 1: Cheach or Chong Son. It was Cheech marins Son. I
Speaker 1: think who Um smashed his face on a ramp and
Speaker 1: I watched it happened like he did some kind of
Speaker 1: amazing amazing because they like nine foot ramps. This was
Speaker 1: like serious weird. I wasn't that great, but yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was like a skateboard camp,
Speaker 1: but it was before rollerblade and it was it was
Speaker 1: like a gator culture thing and he just wrapped. I
Speaker 1: remember watching his face bounce on the on the ramp.
Speaker 1: It was awful. That sounds like a fun camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wants to say, any camp where you can break
Speaker 1: some bones is a good time too. Yeah. So Amy
Speaker 1: says that she will call a sitter and they'll all
Speaker 1: go together because Amy and Allen are also going to
Speaker 1: the Aerosmith concert, and Eric is furious. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to go to the show with his parents, as Aerosmith
Speaker 1: is too loud for people their age. Uh. And then Corey,
Speaker 1: Sewn and Ellis walk into the kitchen holding Mincas hostage
Speaker 1: Um and they introduced Minkas to Amy and we get
Speaker 1: him his adorable line call my mother and yelling his
Speaker 1: phone number up the stairs. Can we talk about a
Speaker 1: couple of things? First of all, can we talk about
Speaker 1: a little bit we we we we do like to
Speaker 1: bracket things that haven't aged well. And a little bit
Speaker 1: of grabbing the weaker kid and surrounding him and pulling
Speaker 1: him kind of threatening lee into somebody's house was a
Speaker 1: little weird for me. I get they played it comedically
Speaker 1: and it was, but it was a little that that
Speaker 1: was a little weird, a little bullish for me. But
Speaker 1: then the other thing, which I'm wondering if this was
Speaker 1: an inside joke, one of kind of the first inside
Speaker 1: jokes we had, because we had just gone through the
Speaker 1: Lempy Minkus thing. When he goes up the stairs, he said,
Speaker 1: it's the only Mincus in the book, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a joke. On the fact that they couldn't clear
Speaker 1: the Lempy name. I wouldn't be surprised, And so it
Speaker 1: was kind of a straight up inside baseball like no
Speaker 1: one like some people would think it was funny, but
Speaker 1: if you knew the whole story on the set, it
Speaker 1: was like, we could clear the name, so it's the
Speaker 1: only Mincus in the book. That's what kind of went
Speaker 1: through my head. I'm wondering if that's what it was.
Speaker 1: I bet you was h Yeah, it could have been.
Speaker 1: It's also just funny because how many mincus Is have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of? And so it's also funny just
Speaker 1: on its own that like, don't be surprised, but there's
Speaker 1: only one. You know, it worked on a bunch of levels.
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if that's one of the reasons they
Speaker 1: put it in because they were able to clear the
Speaker 1: name because it was the only Mancus, like there was
Speaker 1: no Mankas. And we get Lily sitting on the counter
Speaker 1: throwing away groceries, which is cute. I thought it was
Speaker 1: funny the way she says it's hiding the liver. And
Speaker 1: this is the first time we've all worked together. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the first night we've shot. This is the
Speaker 1: first night in front of an audience. I've never been
Speaker 1: in front of an audience like this before. This is
Speaker 1: the first time that you see the Matthews family. I
Speaker 1: mean it might be the fifth episode, but we've never
Speaker 1: done this before. So that was something that that was
Speaker 1: always going through my head as I was watching this
Speaker 1: is like, this is the first time we'd ever done this.
Speaker 1: I can I can imagine the energy for all of
Speaker 1: you was I was super high. Yeah, so nervous? Does
Speaker 1: it come across that way? By the way, it feels
Speaker 1: very much like we're in the fifth episode and not
Speaker 1: like this is the first knowing Will though Will is
Speaker 1: not Will's presenting, you know, he's He's definitely presenting more.
Speaker 1: And then he is comfortable in his own skin and
Speaker 1: this just then just say the lines. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just so nerve wracking. But again it shows how good
Speaker 1: Like we keep talking about Lee, who could completely in
Speaker 1: control of his study, his voice and the great character
Speaker 1: and is holding for laughs already and I mean it's
Speaker 1: just so natural. Yeah he is. So we go up
Speaker 1: to Korey and Eric's room. Sean says that one out
Speaker 1: of every four people is a nerd and if you
Speaker 1: look around and no one else is there, it must
Speaker 1: be you. And they want to change his image. They're
Speaker 1: trying to convince him not to do the geography tournament,
Speaker 1: and Minca says he'll only quit the tournament if they
Speaker 1: promised not to throw the ball at his head during
Speaker 1: bombardment anymore. Yeah, this is the scene that bothered me.
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't so because you know, the grabbing him
Speaker 1: and taking the hostage, this thing, I mean, and this
Speaker 1: just goes back We've talked a lot about the nerd stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's so dated this that there's a
Speaker 1: there's a normal way to be and then there's an
Speaker 1: unusual nerdy way to be. And like, you know, the
Speaker 1: obvious question is maybe just don't throw the ball at
Speaker 1: the kid's head, you know, But like, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: the logic of this scene is that's going to happen
Speaker 1: just because you're so different and nerdy, So don't you
Speaker 1: You have to change, buddy, You have to have this
Speaker 1: nerd makeover in order to be accepted by everybody else's
Speaker 1: And thats just that blows. Man. It sucks. It sucks.
Speaker 1: It does. It absolutely sucks as somebody as not that
Speaker 1: kind of nerd, but as a fantasy nerd, and like
Speaker 1: like that type of nerd growing up you always were
Speaker 1: a bit like pushed it and you always wanted to
Speaker 1: be part of the cooler crowd. But it also doesn't
Speaker 1: even matter what it is, right, whatever it is, if
Speaker 1: you're an outsider like in the nineties, if you were
Speaker 1: different in any way about yeah, exactly, and that that's
Speaker 1: really the worst part of American culture, but especially in
Speaker 1: the nineties, it really reached its peak, the sense that like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're cool, you do these certain things
Speaker 1: where you watch these movies or these TV shows, are
Speaker 1: listen to this music, and you have this way of
Speaker 1: speaking and acting. And if you don't adhere to those rules,
Speaker 1: whether because you're a nerd or you're gay or anything different,
Speaker 1: you must be there's must be something wrong with you,
Speaker 1: and that's your problem. And I am so glad that
Speaker 1: that has changed, because I remember feeling that like uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: Like I remember wrestling with it myself, and so in
Speaker 1: a day to day just feeling like there's a mainstream
Speaker 1: and I should adhere to it or live up to it.
Speaker 1: And then there's the you know, and so the fact
Speaker 1: that we were encouraging that on our shows, it's a
Speaker 1: real bummer and it well, I mean, I remember talking
Speaker 1: about any when you're a kid, especially during the nineties,
Speaker 1: eighties and the nineties, anything different was bad. Anything even
Speaker 1: if it was something good, it was bad. So I
Speaker 1: was an actor and I was on a show on Nickelodeon,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was doing something positive and cool
Speaker 1: and for a good year in probably seventh or eighth grade.
Speaker 1: Every time I opened my mouth to answer a question
Speaker 1: or do something in class, somebody would go, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I was just acting like it was it was just
Speaker 1: a thing where because that was a John Lovett's thing
Speaker 1: on SNL and every time I opened my mouth, so
Speaker 1: it just maybe not want to speak like I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to raise my hand answer a question.
Speaker 1: I was completely outcast in my high school. In my
Speaker 1: junior high I was made fun of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like you're doing something positive and something great,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. You're different. You're just different and
Speaker 1: different bad. And so it was yeah that we we
Speaker 1: we did lay into that a little bit, especially in
Speaker 1: this episode. It's like, well, you gotta like sports or
Speaker 1: you're you're bad, and it's like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it probably still happens nowadays, even though like that idea
Speaker 1: writer that you're talking about isn't quite the same now
Speaker 1: where you know, if you're interested in anything outside the norm,
Speaker 1: you have to change. Something must be wrong with you.
Speaker 1: That is different, thankfully, But like the Ages of eleven
Speaker 1: to thirteen, maybe even fourteen are just rough. Everyone is
Speaker 1: trying to blend in and fit in and please don't
Speaker 1: let anything make me stand out. And so you know
Speaker 1: there's always a battle of some sorts. But whether it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not as black and white, right, it's not
Speaker 1: as like I or or I mean, I think hopefully,
Speaker 1: I think that there's now just a general recognition of
Speaker 1: plurality and and notion that the diversity that you can
Speaker 1: be a different type of person. Uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about a lot more than yeah, but we just
Speaker 1: we probably talked about this maybe too much. But it
Speaker 1: was a monoculture. You know, everybody was watching the same
Speaker 1: there's we had twenty four million people tuning into our
Speaker 1: television show and we were not the biggest show on television.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So you think about how that, you know,
Speaker 1: tells people or it sort of creates a model of like,
Speaker 1: this is the way to be, this is the show
Speaker 1: to watch, These are the movies that everybody And now
Speaker 1: I think there's just so many different types of content.
Speaker 1: There's so many different types of clothing styles, there's so
Speaker 1: many different types of music and whatever it is. It
Speaker 1: seems like there's more of a recognition of plurality. But yes,
Speaker 1: I think locally within like a given classroom, this is
Speaker 1: always going to be a struggle, right, There's always gonna
Speaker 1: be status games. There's always going to be a struggle
Speaker 1: for status and who's cool popularity of some sort. Yes,
Speaker 1: but fully it's not based on such an easy archetype
Speaker 1: or an easy stereotype like the nerd versus the non nerd. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing that that amazed me was was as I
Speaker 1: got older and tried to let go of a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff that happened to me in middle school
Speaker 1: and things like that, and became friendly again as an
Speaker 1: adult with those kids I grew up with. You found
Speaker 1: out that almost to a person, whether they were popular
Speaker 1: or not, they also hated it. They were also having
Speaker 1: the worst time in middle school or the worst time
Speaker 1: in high school. It wasn't like, oh man, i've met
Speaker 1: like three people in my life that was like high
Speaker 1: school was the best time in my life. Everybody was
Speaker 1: struggling with it. Everybody hated it, and you thought you
Speaker 1: were the only one going through it, and even the
Speaker 1: popular kids were like, no, it was terrible on me too.
Speaker 1: I had a bad home life for I struggled to
Speaker 1: stay popular, or if I did that, you know you
Speaker 1: had an eating disorder. Everybody had something. So we get
Speaker 1: back into the kitchen and Eric tells his parents they
Speaker 1: cannot go to the Aerosmith concert. Eric says it's his
Speaker 1: first concert, but his parents say, actually they went when
Speaker 1: Amy was pregnant with Eric, and Alan's says they have
Speaker 1: third row seats. He jokes about how old guys get
Speaker 1: good seats, and Amy says maybe they can get Eric
Speaker 1: and Heather decent seats so they can at least see
Speaker 1: the stage. But Eric says he doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: at the same show as his parents, and he's He
Speaker 1: leaves in a huf, saying he's going to go see
Speaker 1: if he can get tickets to Eric Clapton. I also
Speaker 1: thought there was a line from Rusty where he says,
Speaker 1: get a clue, and it seemed like that was another
Speaker 1: thing they were trying to make, trying to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were, They were definitely trying to do it. And
Speaker 1: I'd like to just quickly give a shout out to
Speaker 1: my giant purple sweatshirt at the top. But it was very,
Speaker 1: very bottom heavy, yeah, very baldos in the sleeves as well. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: bulbous is a good a good way to describe that sweatshirt,
Speaker 1: you know. I think for me in this episode, one
Speaker 1: of the things that just seeing seems like it's a
Speaker 1: little weak. The whole premise of you being so unhappy
Speaker 1: about them going to the concert alone just has really
Speaker 1: no legs. It just I felt like there needed to
Speaker 1: be something more like I'm worried you're gonna embarrass me.
Speaker 1: I you've never met had there are something there needed
Speaker 1: to be more there than just like so offended that
Speaker 1: you were going to be in the same place that
Speaker 1: Eric was. That was it, by the way, at the
Speaker 1: same place. I could see the storyline being like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, we're not sitting together, are we, and then
Speaker 1: when you find out we're sixty four rows apart, being like,
Speaker 1: good please just pretend if you see me, pretend you
Speaker 1: don't know. I wonder how much of this was based
Speaker 1: on the idea that they were trying to establish. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is if this is the first episode of filming,
Speaker 1: this would be Rusties first episode two. And I think
Speaker 1: that establishing that the parents were not that they had
Speaker 1: some countercultural street cred, that they were kind of cool.
Speaker 1: They're not regular parents. They were. I think that was
Speaker 1: very important to attracting Rusty to the part, because that's
Speaker 1: kind of Rusty's vibe. And I think that that was
Speaker 1: important to establish for Michael and the team, like these
Speaker 1: are not going to be the typical sitcom parents. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna listen to cool music. They're gonna wear
Speaker 1: their denim jackets and we'll talk about later, and like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be you and so I think in order
Speaker 1: to create that tension, they had to force this situation
Speaker 1: where Will's character is upset about it, like or overly
Speaker 1: upset about it, because like, really there is no conflict here, right.
Speaker 1: It's such as also problem. It's also an acting choice
Speaker 1: because this exact same storyline could have been taken differently
Speaker 1: if it was handled by season six Eric as opposed
Speaker 1: to season one Eric. You know, no, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to beat myself up. I'm saying the acting choice of
Speaker 1: playing it angry. But here's the problem, and funny, here's
Speaker 1: the real problem with it. What does what does Eric do?
Speaker 1: Does Eric make a choice? Does he change exactly? So
Speaker 1: it's a completely inactive protagonist, and that's bad. Writing like
Speaker 1: there's no choices made. Now if Eric decided to do
Speaker 1: something and then because of that there was a backfired situation,
Speaker 1: he calls and cancels the parents so they can't go
Speaker 1: does something. But instead it's just a presentation of a situation,
Speaker 1: and you can play about it and then that situations
Speaker 1: and then that happens again and then complain about it
Speaker 1: in front of the kind of their for no real
Speaker 1: reason and actor protagonist. Naturally it's a useless it is
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, and but again played angry like I'm angry
Speaker 1: the whole You have to create conflict exactly, conflict you're
Speaker 1: just creating. Hardly is an actor to create conflict, it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very interesting. So the next day, sweashirt, that's
Speaker 1: what That's what stole the scene. The next day, we're
Speaker 1: at school and Mincas tells Mr Feeney he's resigning from
Speaker 1: the tournament. He says the tournament doesn't fit in with
Speaker 1: his new image, which is Stewart Mincas regular guy. Um
Speaker 1: Mincas says that exceptional guys get bombardment balls thrown at
Speaker 1: their heads. Do you guys know of a game called bombardment?
Speaker 1: Is that a real game? It is it's they've they've
Speaker 1: just changed. Um. The name of bombardment is just dodgeball's compartment.
Speaker 1: But the trade had compartment or did we call I
Speaker 1: think I think there's They called it bombardment. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but it's essentially dodgeball. That's all Bombardment is. If, if, unless,
Speaker 1: unless somebody's like no, the rules are different. It's the same.
Speaker 1: You throw balls at people. If it hits you, you're out.
Speaker 1: If you catch it, the person who threw it is out.
Speaker 1: Dodgeball is trademarked or something. I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it is. Um. So Mr Feenie tries
Speaker 1: to see if his image can wait until after the tournament.
Speaker 1: Corey stays back in the classroom. He's ready for Mr
Speaker 1: Feenie once Mincus quits, and Mr Feenie said, there won't
Speaker 1: be a tournament. If it's going to have to be
Speaker 1: Corey in the tournament, then there will be no tournament
Speaker 1: because Corey has never shown any interest in geography, and
Speaker 1: Corey says he's willing to learn. Mr Feenie says that okay,
Speaker 1: he will agree to prep Corey for the tournament, and
Speaker 1: he hopes that the prize is actually going to lead
Speaker 1: to him wanting to learn. And um, now we get
Speaker 1: Foenie and Corey for the first time kind of in
Speaker 1: on a little bit of a scheme together. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: really quite a scheme, but yeah, it's cute that they're
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's see a chance on each other,
Speaker 1: right Exactly, I like them. Mr Feenie is willing to
Speaker 1: play this out as well. That's what I mean again.
Speaker 1: You think when you look back, Foenie knows he's gonna lose.
Speaker 1: Foenie knows he's not gonna win, but he's also seeing
Speaker 1: if Corey is going to actually learn. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what is don't you think that Mr Feenie by
Speaker 1: this point he knows it's like, all right, the title's gone.
Speaker 1: I have no chance. Corey is not going to win
Speaker 1: this thing. But if I could get this one kid
Speaker 1: to actually learn something that he didn't want to learn before,
Speaker 1: then I win as a teacher anyway. Exactly, they only
Speaker 1: lose lose. Situation here for Foenie is if he doesn't
Speaker 1: end up learning anything and he loses the tournament. But
Speaker 1: the hope is if I can at least get him
Speaker 1: to learn something I will feel like a winner. Um.
Speaker 1: And so we are back in the Matthew's backyard. Corey
Speaker 1: is steadily studying geography while show. Yeah, I so indelibly
Speaker 1: remember carpet Dum, Mr Foenie. And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: wonder how much I remember that so so vividly, because
Speaker 1: it was probably the first time I'd ever heard that
Speaker 1: phrase carpet do you know what I mean? So it's
Speaker 1: so interesting. Also takes that pause though there's the pause
Speaker 1: between carpet d um and Mr Feenie. He doesn't go
Speaker 1: carpet d um, Mr Feenie goes carpet d um, Mr Feenie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well we said it for a while, but I just
Speaker 1: it's so funny because the second it came out of
Speaker 1: Lee's mouth, I was like, oh my god. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that is because I was
Speaker 1: backstage or at our table read hearing that and going
Speaker 1: what is this phrase? And I probably asked somebody or
Speaker 1: looked it up. I probably asked, you will because you
Speaker 1: spoke Latin at the time or read Latin at the
Speaker 1: spoke and read at the time. I did. Actually, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, I just you know, now it's one of
Speaker 1: those things you hear all the time, but twelve or thirteen,
Speaker 1: I probably never heard that phrase before. So anyway, that
Speaker 1: line is like etched in my brand, and it's there
Speaker 1: was a couple of teams, you know. The other one
Speaker 1: we said all the time was Duan's line. We said,
Speaker 1: what's the point of playing if we can't throw it
Speaker 1: at his head? We said that for years too. We
Speaker 1: said that for years too, because we thought that was
Speaker 1: so funny that we just kept saying that as well, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's funny. All the lines that we used to repeat backstage,
Speaker 1: you never knew what was gonna which one was gonna hit,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden from the first season though,
Speaker 1: I think and I think it's because we were all
Speaker 1: so aware of each other's lines and the you know,
Speaker 1: we were an ensemble that we're working our way through
Speaker 1: the script and there's lines that come and go and
Speaker 1: jokes that hit or miss, and even something that might
Speaker 1: not that might miss in the final tape Night could
Speaker 1: have landed so hard during a rehearsal that it became
Speaker 1: an inside joke for us exactly even if it didn't
Speaker 1: make it to air. So in the Matthews backyard, Corey
Speaker 1: is studying geography. Sean and Ellis try to get him
Speaker 1: to the park and he and they say that he's
Speaker 1: studying too much. Mincus shows up in one of the
Speaker 1: greatest outfits of all time. The largest shorts I've ever
Speaker 1: seen on a non clown. Just amazing, those big yellow
Speaker 1: they are they're shams, but they're also they're they're also
Speaker 1: just like a barrel around his waist and the shoes
Speaker 1: his feet look I mean, of course the hood we
Speaker 1: could and suspenders to hold up those short It's just incredible.
Speaker 1: We will put this picture on our Instagram for you
Speaker 1: Pod Meets World show. I wonder about the outfits they rejected,
Speaker 1: where they were like, Nope, that's not going to work,
Speaker 1: that's not Oh there you go, got it, nailed it,
Speaker 1: nailed it. That's the one. Um So, Corey says he
Speaker 1: needs Mincas's help studying, but Minca says absolutely not. He
Speaker 1: tells Fenny he watched MTV's House of Style, which is
Speaker 1: where he put together this outfit and style it was.
Speaker 1: It was a show about clothing, yes, and it was
Speaker 1: hosted by supermodel Cindy Crawford work. But did people dress
Speaker 1: like this back there. Yeah, I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it wasn't very I think it was a very kid
Speaker 1: and play style, you know, mode of dressing. My my
Speaker 1: husband at the time dressed very much like this. Jensen
Speaker 1: card I would have would have worn an outfit very
Speaker 1: much like Thisto. Can we please find a picture of that?
Speaker 1: Please please find a picture of that. Well, we'll find one.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you ever wore suspects like that, but
Speaker 1: he definitely wore spenders. Doesn't seem no accurate. Suspenders kind
Speaker 1: of became cool like late nineties in like, yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a moment. I did remember wearing suspenders later in
Speaker 1: the nineties, but yeah, suspenders cross colors was big in
Speaker 1: the early nineties. There's Team magazine shoots of me and suspenders, Yes,
Speaker 1: there are. We'll find that as well. Look for those
Speaker 1: for sure. I have them all in the garage. So
Speaker 1: Mincas says he's now leaving to go watch Beavis and
Speaker 1: butt Head, and we get our first reference. Actually that's
Speaker 1: first laugh. That's why they put it back. That's why
Speaker 1: they put it back in. Exactly got a wou so
Speaker 1: it came back. So the people in the audience loved them.
Speaker 1: Some Beavis and butt head popular at the time. So
Speaker 1: then we are back home in the kitchen. Family, We're
Speaker 1: back home in the kitchen. This is also I thought,
Speaker 1: isn't this the moment Ben had a great moment that
Speaker 1: made me laugh out? Isn't this the snort where he
Speaker 1: kind of yes, where he goes, he goes because he's
Speaker 1: now like the quote unquote nerds, So it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's snorting. But the way he did it was actually
Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, that was the first time where I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, that was that was a good comedy
Speaker 1: right there, Dwan as Ellis says something like he's he's morphing, right,
Speaker 1: is that what he says, He's morphing something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mutinating was very funny in that moment. I thought I
Speaker 1: thought they could have made a bigger moment out of
Speaker 1: it because it kind of like it was really brushed over.
Speaker 1: But that's what I kind of liked about. It was
Speaker 1: just a quick little like he's oh he snorted like
Speaker 1: it was um. So we're at home in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: The family is quizzing Corey on his geography. Eric calls
Speaker 1: out artists, trying to get his parents to go to
Speaker 1: another concert, So he's naming a bunch of people. I
Speaker 1: liked the line Tina Turner and she says my mother's
Speaker 1: my mother's Yeah, that's great, And then I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: is that would that have been true? That, like Tina
Speaker 1: Turner has been doing this since? Yeah? Well, I think
Speaker 1: there weren't Icentina Turner. Were the early sixties their original,
Speaker 1: you know, banned group. I think I think was the
Speaker 1: I might have even started the late fifties and then
Speaker 1: the early sixties, and then she obviously moved away and
Speaker 1: became much bigger in the seventies by herself, and then
Speaker 1: it was kind of seventies eighties. Yeah, but I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure they would have been the late fifties, early sixties. Argentina.
Speaker 1: What a career. Um. They tell Eric that he should
Speaker 1: rebel and not go to the show, and would you
Speaker 1: want to when you're that angry about this for some reason?
Speaker 1: Just angry all episode? Just other choice? Well, you had
Speaker 1: no other choice. You had to pretend that you were
Speaker 1: very angry. And then we find out that you're going
Speaker 1: to be sixty four rows behind them, which is very
Speaker 1: funny to me. Um, And we're at the geography tournament.
Speaker 1: The kids and their teachers are lined up on stage.
Speaker 1: The teachers are all giving the kids massages. And uh,
Speaker 1: that was great. Ben in his suit like it's like
Speaker 1: so like Corey out of his elo A great suit,
Speaker 1: by the way, I wrote down what a great suit.
Speaker 1: It bit him perfectly. Of all the oversized clothes of
Speaker 1: the nineties, the suits were not super big. It fit
Speaker 1: him so well. And it's that great green color. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just that, just do this with your shoulders
Speaker 1: and rolling his shoulders are feeling a little. Great moment,
Speaker 1: so good, so funny. I loved it, um. And so
Speaker 1: we cut two Corey panicking on the stage during the tournament.
Speaker 1: Corey doesn't know how to answer the question. We see
Speaker 1: that the kids are getting very hard questions that we
Speaker 1: never saw Corey face though when they cut to him
Speaker 1: was perfect. That worried, ridiculous looking around was his st
Speaker 1: That was my actual the first time I saw that actual, loud,
Speaker 1: laugh out loud moment that wright we talked about the
Speaker 1: equivalent of the optical flip where it is then just
Speaker 1: on his horrified face. It was hysterical. He was great
Speaker 1: in that moment. It is It's really funny. And Jensen
Speaker 1: pointed out to me while we were watching it. Jensen
Speaker 1: was like, you know what made this show different than
Speaker 1: other shows is that I think other sitcoms would have
Speaker 1: had him at least get something right, Like you would
Speaker 1: have seen him maybe not win the tournament, but like
Speaker 1: he wouldn't know nothing, and instead he just literally is
Speaker 1: like it's it's as if they're speaking a totally different
Speaker 1: language than he speaks. Um And I don't know necessarily
Speaker 1: whether or not another show would have done that, but
Speaker 1: Jensen was really like, I think this separates the show
Speaker 1: that he really knew nothing, right, Well, it takes us
Speaker 1: on more of a journey, right because he's he's learned something,
Speaker 1: or he's he's been studying so hard, which has made
Speaker 1: him more nerdy, and you know, and we've already established
Speaker 1: that as the problem, but then the real problem is
Speaker 1: he doesn't win the content, win the be like, so
Speaker 1: it takes it to the next level. It's good storytelling,
Speaker 1: you know, this is like you just keep twisting the
Speaker 1: expectations because it's like, oh, he's a nerd. Now he's
Speaker 1: gonna go win the contest, and you know, there's still
Speaker 1: another twist coming, there's still another turn to this show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he still doesn't know a lot, and he may he
Speaker 1: may have learned, he may have learned something, but he
Speaker 1: still doesn't know everything he needs to know in order
Speaker 1: to win a tournament. So Corey doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: answer the question he's given and he has left on
Speaker 1: stage at the very end of his loss. He's by himself,
Speaker 1: and the girl who wins walks by with her trophy
Speaker 1: and says that the bat Boy prize is stupid. I
Speaker 1: love the voices of those two girls. They both had
Speaker 1: like these deep voices that I just loved. I think
Speaker 1: they I think they they just made them stand out,
Speaker 1: and they were both so cute. I thought that was um,
Speaker 1: I mean, you very easily could have had one of
Speaker 1: your topanga's there. Yeah. Yeah, it could have been you, Daniel.
Speaker 1: That could have been me if only I got the
Speaker 1: audition for the geography tournament. Um right, I was fish Girl.
Speaker 1: So we're in the Matthews family living room. Eric and
Speaker 1: Heather are back home from the concert and they are
Speaker 1: telling Corey that they saw Amy and Allan dancing in
Speaker 1: the aisle. Um. This was my audition piece. That was
Speaker 1: my audition scene. I so I tried to look down
Speaker 1: in the rose Ce scene Mom and Dad. No, mom
Speaker 1: and dad are dancing in the aisles. That is I
Speaker 1: had to sit there and say that in New York,
Speaker 1: then on film, then in l A. How many times
Speaker 1: did Michael tell you were doing it wrong? And to
Speaker 1: do it? You know what? You know what I honestly
Speaker 1: remember about about my audition process. I remember two things.
Speaker 1: I remember that Ben was there. I'm sorry, I remember
Speaker 1: three things. I remember that Ben was there and reading
Speaker 1: with us for a different scene that wasn't that was
Speaker 1: was a UM probably from the bedroom scene. It was
Speaker 1: a bedroom scene in the pilot that that we we
Speaker 1: read together. And then I remember going in and reading.
Speaker 1: So the process was you would you would first go
Speaker 1: to UM producers, so you would. It's a hard auditioning
Speaker 1: for shows back in the day, and I'll do this
Speaker 1: very quickly. Was just the most miserable, stressful, awful day
Speaker 1: you could possibly imagine. It's not that I don't think
Speaker 1: it's still the full day process that it that it was.
Speaker 1: If I've heard in front of theaters, is it still
Speaker 1: the same because now everything's like on tape and they
Speaker 1: do this and there's so many to have the backdrop
Speaker 1: you have to adjust your own lighting. You have to
Speaker 1: have cameras, you have to have a reader, actually a
Speaker 1: network testing, factual network testing. Yes, it depends on the show,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they do. They don't bring you
Speaker 1: in front of a room of forty to fifty people
Speaker 1: like they used to, which is what it was. But
Speaker 1: I think they would on a sitcom. I think they
Speaker 1: would on a sitcom. In fact, they've done test shoots
Speaker 1: for sitcoms these days where they actually go to a stage.
Speaker 1: I have, Oh, I'd much rather do that, But no,
Speaker 1: with single camera stuff, I think nowadays they do mostly
Speaker 1: like a cinematic sort of screen test where you go
Speaker 1: to a studio with the director and reader and you
Speaker 1: go do it alone, which is great because this one
Speaker 1: you used to go and you'd sit the first thing.
Speaker 1: So I flew in from from New York to l A.
Speaker 1: And then you started like nine o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: and you go to producers and say there's three of
Speaker 1: you auditioning. So you walk into a room and say
Speaker 1: there's fifteen producers there, and you read the scenes through
Speaker 1: however you're going to read them through, and then you
Speaker 1: come out and then they'll usually say like Okay, go
Speaker 1: to lunch. That's going to take like a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: They take their time. You sit there and you wait,
Speaker 1: You're all anxious. It's awful. And then you get a
Speaker 1: call from your agent or manager saying, okay, you're going
Speaker 1: to the next level, which is network. And then you
Speaker 1: go to the studio studio before network. Studio is next,
Speaker 1: which is then more people in the room, and it's
Speaker 1: all the people from at the time we were touchdown
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. Also at this point,
Speaker 1: that's the point at which you sign a contract. Yes,
Speaker 1: sign a contract before you do your people auditioning. Sign
Speaker 1: a contract yes, and and so you're looking at a
Speaker 1: how much money you'll make be it's a thick country,
Speaker 1: and then you'll be how many years you're going to
Speaker 1: be committed to this thing because it has all your
Speaker 1: pay lane laid out, and how much it's going to
Speaker 1: get your going, what kind of rays you're going to
Speaker 1: get as the because they want to lock you in
Speaker 1: because oftentimes you're you're in demand at another show or whatever,
Speaker 1: so they you'd be in first position or second position,
Speaker 1: and when you sign that contract, you're a green to
Speaker 1: do the show. If they've select you by the end
Speaker 1: of that day or week or whatever the the period is. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so nerve wracking. It's the worst feeling because then
Speaker 1: you just you start seeing your future. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be working this next week or two weeks
Speaker 1: from an hour, this fall or whatever, and I'm gone,
Speaker 1: it's going to change. Yeah, it's it's it's insane, it's awful.
Speaker 1: And then you go if you get then you get
Speaker 1: the call whether you've moved on or not. And usually
Speaker 1: if you then get to network, which a lot of
Speaker 1: times depending on what network you're going for, it's literally
Speaker 1: in this theater room where there's fifty six executives sitting
Speaker 1: there and you perform for them, um and by the
Speaker 1: time you get there, it's been most of the day
Speaker 1: and you're exhausted, you're stressed. It's awful. Usually, if you
Speaker 1: started with three people, now there's just two of you,
Speaker 1: like they've let one of you all day together too,
Speaker 1: So you're sitting around and waiting with each other with
Speaker 1: your competition, trying to be friendly. Meanwhile going like my
Speaker 1: life could change tonight or your life could change, where
Speaker 1: we just go back to normal. It's like the worst
Speaker 1: the most terrible process in the world. So in between
Speaker 1: studio and network, Michael came out and sat down next
Speaker 1: to me and he said, I really think you're right
Speaker 1: for this project. I just need you to calm down
Speaker 1: and relax and really listened to Ben, and I think
Speaker 1: you're going to be fine. And I noticed that he
Speaker 1: didn't talk to anybody else. And Jason Marsden was that guy,
Speaker 1: my best friend again who was auditioning with me, and
Speaker 1: he came out and I found out later he was like,
Speaker 1: Ben screwed up his lines during the during the audition process,
Speaker 1: which screwed me up. And so Ben, the joke we
Speaker 1: had was Ben and he would said this to Jason
Speaker 1: as well. He's like, oh, no, I screwed that up
Speaker 1: on purpose because I wanted Will to be Eric. Um.
Speaker 1: He was totally kidding, of course, but that was kind
Speaker 1: of the joke. And when Jason then came on the show,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, you you messed up on purpose, right,
Speaker 1: and Ben like, of course I messed up on purpose, um,
Speaker 1: But it was that, you know, we were dependent on
Speaker 1: another actor to come in, and Ben came in and
Speaker 1: we had great chemistry. But that's what I remember about
Speaker 1: not just the scene, but also that Michael is like,
Speaker 1: I really think you're right for this. I just need
Speaker 1: you to relax and listen to Ben and that helped
Speaker 1: um and then we got the part. But that's what
Speaker 1: during this scene, that's all I see as they're I'm
Speaker 1: standing behind the couch and everything. I just go back
Speaker 1: to my audition because that's all it was was getting
Speaker 1: Eric with these exact lines and then meeting NICKI who
Speaker 1: you know, it was always a casting director who's reading
Speaker 1: the part of the girl. And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is Nicky Cox and it's like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It just changed the whole thing. So it's very strange too.
Speaker 1: I got to sketch that whole process I got I
Speaker 1: didn't have. I got to that hole. You got tortured
Speaker 1: in a whole different differently and tortured publicly in front
Speaker 1: of your peers. Exactly. Congratulations, we all got to watch
Speaker 1: your tortures. It is a horrible business and a tough process. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, you guys are back home. By the way,
Speaker 1: who babysat Corey and Lily because you guys, great question.
Speaker 1: No one was there with them. It was just fine.
Speaker 1: You're already home, so maybe Corey was old enough to
Speaker 1: babysit his sister. She asked Eric to stay home and
Speaker 1: babysit them at the beginning of the episode, and then said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll call a sitter. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe the sitter left when you got there,
Speaker 1: and that's not an important part to the story that
Speaker 1: when Eric arrived home. So, um, yeah, we see that
Speaker 1: you guys that you were upset because they weren't in
Speaker 1: their seats. They were dancing in the aisle, and you
Speaker 1: are just mortified by that. And then Amy and Allen
Speaker 1: walk in and their concert attire. They've got cool fits on,
Speaker 1: tied eye shirts, denim jackets, a prairie dress with necklaces,
Speaker 1: and a vest, and it's probably embarrassing at all, but
Speaker 1: it's not like embarrassing. It's like they're totally kind of
Speaker 1: normally dressed for even slightly cool parents, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like they're not over the top crazy where he exactly
Speaker 1: but he thinks it. But going back to the time
Speaker 1: period and the place, maybe like I think just being
Speaker 1: anything slightly I mean in l A at this time,
Speaker 1: if you were a hit parent, you would be way
Speaker 1: more extreme, right, like you know, tattoos and like, but
Speaker 1: in the nineties, and then if you were in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: and you're just going to an Arrowsmith concert, mine, I
Speaker 1: don't know, with a hippie shirt, like he's wearing tight eye.
Speaker 1: I think so all my friends wore tight eye, so
Speaker 1: it was like I didn't. I was like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: not just that strange. But I guess maybe you're Maybe
Speaker 1: you're right, maybe for Philly, and you know, he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a grocer, and it's like what mainstream America
Speaker 1: there were still this like you know eighties hangover from
Speaker 1: the sixties seventies counterculture or sorry, eighties backlash to the
Speaker 1: sixties seventies counterculture, where you know, we were still coming
Speaker 1: out of this like yuppie period where it was like
Speaker 1: anti counter culture. For them to have any any nods
Speaker 1: to that sort of rock and roll counter culture would
Speaker 1: have been a little edgy at the time. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So this is where the premise started to feel just
Speaker 1: a little loose for me because he asks you directly,
Speaker 1: like what I don't understand, what is so? What is
Speaker 1: so difficult? Way is this so hard for you? And
Speaker 1: you have this idea that you said his parents aren't
Speaker 1: your parents aren't supposed to have fun. That's you're just
Speaker 1: supposed to stay home and wait for me. And I
Speaker 1: was like, that's the best answer they could. That's the
Speaker 1: argument here. I feel like just the premise is a
Speaker 1: little I don't But here's the thing though, which which
Speaker 1: saved it. At least Eric didn't learn anything which the room.
Speaker 1: I was like, there's where's the message. He's like, some
Speaker 1: I'm the father that you want to deal with it.
Speaker 1: He walks out and it's like, Eric, wait what Like
Speaker 1: it was just kind of that this storyline didn't didn't
Speaker 1: wrap up in any way. It was just a strange,
Speaker 1: kreind of story, a real waste of Nicki Cox. She's
Speaker 1: like two things. She's just sitting there the whole and
Speaker 1: that she gets up and walks to the door. It's
Speaker 1: so bizarre. This is also for the record, this is Heather.
Speaker 1: So Eric has talked about Heather since the pilot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have been dating her four five episodes, and you
Speaker 1: know what, I think, you know what, I think. I
Speaker 1: think they probably wrote this as a sample scene to
Speaker 1: cast the character of Eric. I g you that this
Speaker 1: was a scene. First, it was a scene first and foremost,
Speaker 1: and then they had to build a storyline around it
Speaker 1: in two different a way. But because I bet you,
Speaker 1: because it's such a monologue on your part, right like there,
Speaker 1: you know what you and I think it was a
Speaker 1: test to figure out who the older brother was. So
Speaker 1: they probably wrote this as an audition scene cast you
Speaker 1: and then tried to build an episode around the one
Speaker 1: scene they had already written. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: it's not that great, is because it's all about just
Speaker 1: this scene, because really every other the other scenes in
Speaker 1: the storyline are just reiterating the same point. You have
Speaker 1: three scenes that do the exact same tension, and so
Speaker 1: I think that you know, they probably started with the
Speaker 1: scene and then just wrote backwards the two previous scenes
Speaker 1: restating the same conflict. I'm not actually developing it because
Speaker 1: it should have been the first scene and then you
Speaker 1: develop it into a storyline. But instead they just went
Speaker 1: to this scene, and so you have the same tensions
Speaker 1: and it doesn't develop, and it doesn't time that you.
Speaker 1: I bet you right, because you're right, nothing happens. There's
Speaker 1: nothing happens. Well, did you did you start dating Nikki
Speaker 1: this week? Like this episode is this, like, did you
Speaker 1: guys start dating pretty much immediately? Yes, yes, I want to.
Speaker 1: That's how we met, I want to say, I want to.
Speaker 1: I remember honestly thinking and shout out to Nicki Cox again.
Speaker 1: We we reconnected four or five years ago, um over email.
Speaker 1: She's such a sweetheart. Um. I remember distinctly thinking the
Speaker 1: first time I saw her, that's the most beautiful girl
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. Um. And then we
Speaker 1: talked and she was so nice and so sweet that
Speaker 1: I instantly had a just instant crush on her. And
Speaker 1: we hung out that whole that whole week. I just
Speaker 1: remember what was a date like like what you guys
Speaker 1: do you We would like yeah, like you know, we
Speaker 1: get it was I had my car, so we pick
Speaker 1: my car. Yeah, we'd go into Selica. Did you show
Speaker 1: off your sub whiffer? I'm sure I did. You know
Speaker 1: you know what rider? That was awesome. It was I'm
Speaker 1: not making fun of that was like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: We were like fifteen sixteen year olds dating, you know.
Speaker 1: We'd help, we hold hands and and I think we did.
Speaker 1: We literally like would go out and get something to
Speaker 1: eat or go to ice cream. It was like it
Speaker 1: was never serious. It was like did you ever go
Speaker 1: to eds w Yes, we have to talk. No longer exists.
Speaker 1: But it was a diner in l a where it
Speaker 1: was all out of Lost Tis Plane characters. Was as
Speaker 1: the waiters and waitresses, so they would be in character
Speaker 1: sort of being like, you know, tough, funny off the table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was a kid friendly diner place where it
Speaker 1: was it was fistner. It was amazing. So I actually
Speaker 1: have a friend who have become friends with an amazing
Speaker 1: actors named Rusty Swimmer who worked there, and when I
Speaker 1: first met her, she was like I served you back
Speaker 1: in the night. She's an incredible director. If you look
Speaker 1: her up anybody listening, Rusty Swimmers one of one of
Speaker 1: the most talented, amazing actresses. You guys would know her
Speaker 1: in a hartpage. She's been in everything, and for comedy
Speaker 1: and for drama. But anyway, yeah, she she always talked
Speaker 1: about how she worked at Oh No, I loved. I
Speaker 1: had my first birthday parted. It was one of those
Speaker 1: places where the first time I went there, it was
Speaker 1: like thirteen and you'd look away and then you'd look
Speaker 1: back and one of the waiters or waitresses would be
Speaker 1: sitting next to you eating your fries. They would do that.
Speaker 1: It's like, what character as like Buddy Holly and like
Speaker 1: Maryland were they pretending to be? Actually they were like
Speaker 1: from the fifties. No, I don't think they ever went
Speaker 1: just came up with their own character and they would
Speaker 1: then get up and dance. They would dance to was
Speaker 1: y m c A or something on the table. It
Speaker 1: was awesome, but they kind of shade some French fries
Speaker 1: and young It was like the fifties diner vibe. They
Speaker 1: did a a spoof of it on Friends where Monica
Speaker 1: ends up working there and has to get on the
Speaker 1: table and do Y M c A. And the first
Speaker 1: time I saw it, I was like, oh, that's absolutely
Speaker 1: amdibetics Ever, Joey Lawrence, we should do a Chubby Can
Speaker 1: we do a Chubbies pop up? We've talked about this,
Speaker 1: but let's do a Chubbies pop up? I guess up.
Speaker 1: If you want to do a Chubby's pop up but
Speaker 1: in Philly, Yeah, yeah, we'll do a great idea. Um So,
Speaker 1: Eric says his parents aren't supposed to have fun. Amy
Speaker 1: says that they got home late because they had backstage passes.
Speaker 1: They just continue to one up you with the cool factor. Um.
Speaker 1: Eric tries to walk out, he's going to take Heather home,
Speaker 1: but Alan stops them. They send Corey and Morgan to bed.
Speaker 1: We think Eric is going to get yelled at, and
Speaker 1: Alan says, when he was younger, he want he had
Speaker 1: a father like the one that Eric wants now, but
Speaker 1: he really wanted a father like what Eric has, and
Speaker 1: so he just has to deal with it. Basically, his
Speaker 1: own father was like a stick in the mud, and
Speaker 1: he wanted a cool dad. And so Eric is not
Speaker 1: um appreciating the fact that having a cool dad is
Speaker 1: maybe better than having a stick in the mud dad.
Speaker 1: And then he he walks out of the room and
Speaker 1: after kissing me on the forehead, yeah, kissing me on
Speaker 1: the back of the head, and then walking out and
Speaker 1: then leaves you guys alone, made you sit down even
Speaker 1: for this conversation, and then walks out and you as Eric, thank, oh,
Speaker 1: did my cool parents just leave me alone with my girlfriend?
Speaker 1: And you guys go to kiss and then he pops
Speaker 1: his head out and says, not that cool, and you
Speaker 1: turn back on the light. So what was he doing?
Speaker 1: What was the point? I guess just leaving you guys
Speaker 1: alone to make out, like they just get alone time,
Speaker 1: like without other parents and other kids around, without parents
Speaker 1: and other kids around. So I think it was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can be alone, but you're not gonna you can
Speaker 1: continue your date without all of these embarrassing factors in
Speaker 1: your life. But we're not going to think it was
Speaker 1: a button joke on a scene that made no sense.
Speaker 1: I think that's as far as they went with it was.
Speaker 1: It's like and then they try to kiss and they can't, Like,
Speaker 1: there's because you do you look at it and it's
Speaker 1: like he learns they tried to throw in the lesson
Speaker 1: but it didn't really work, and then he leaves him
Speaker 1: with the girl. It's yeah, you turn the light off.
Speaker 1: You're like turned the lamp off, and then you have
Speaker 1: to turn the light back on. Well, the rest of
Speaker 1: the house is perfectly lit, by the way, so it's
Speaker 1: just turning off the lamp right next to them, as
Speaker 1: if it plunges them into darkness. It's like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: in a slightly darker room now, Like I just might
Speaker 1: be a good time for too much shirts because Indie. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: Indie did not really like when I kept asking about
Speaker 1: the storyline. He kept just sort of coming up with
Speaker 1: other observations, random little things, and then we kind of
Speaker 1: got derailed into being recognized and acting. So but it
Speaker 1: was it was interesting that I kept, you know, I
Speaker 1: I've edited these conversations down a little bit um so,
Speaker 1: but there was like five minutes of me being like,
Speaker 1: but what happened here? And what happened here? And he
Speaker 1: you know, he remembers your storyline? Well, well let's see,
Speaker 1: give a listen. What do you think of this episode?
Speaker 1: It was what about Will's storyline? What was his storyline
Speaker 1: going to a convery when his parents wound it and
Speaker 1: then then act stayed path and they had better seat?
Speaker 1: Would you you only go to concerts with me and mom?
Speaker 1: So you don't like concerts? You don't like hornble? What
Speaker 1: concerts have you been to? Bad concerts? What about Corey's
Speaker 1: storyline with Mincas what happened there? He loves baseball, That's
Speaker 1: why the oh in boy is a baseball to pay
Speaker 1: whatever her name is. What about her? She wasn't in this?
Speaker 1: She was not in this. We filmed this episode before
Speaker 1: the episode that we watched last week. What yeah, they
Speaker 1: aired them out of order? What did you think of
Speaker 1: me throwing stuff at Mincas? I loved it really little funny.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be mean to do to somebody? You wouldn't
Speaker 1: get in so much trouble if you threw a paper
Speaker 1: airplane at somebody's head you're good at. Did you make it?
Speaker 1: Probably not know the props of people. Probably we prefolded
Speaker 1: it for me. Did you actually have to do it him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he saw me get hurt. I don't think so. It's
Speaker 1: a paper airplane, you know that doesn't really hurt. Do
Speaker 1: you think I look like I did? Then? Now your
Speaker 1: hair kinda wait? Who are the people who are will?
Speaker 1: Who is going to be? Who are listening? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: you probably people mostly my age or like slightly younger
Speaker 1: than me who grew up watching Boy Meets World, Like
Speaker 1: people who remember it from when they were younger. Do
Speaker 1: you have anything you want to say to those people? Hi?
Speaker 1: And I think you're right, because boy we threw out
Speaker 1: of the Good Show. Thanks. Yeah, I think that's nice
Speaker 1: and I hope they agree that there's too much shirts
Speaker 1: in the first episode. Too many shirts now that I
Speaker 1: think about it, but now we're calling this whole segment
Speaker 1: too much shirts. Yeah, we want to make t shirts
Speaker 1: of it. T much shirt okay by people? Oh that's
Speaker 1: so funny. Yeah, but it was so you know, like
Speaker 1: the the main storyline with Corey didn't really resonate beyond
Speaker 1: Corey liking baseball, like that was you know what he
Speaker 1: But the Eric storyline, he's like that he's trying to
Speaker 1: get backstage passes, and felt like he picked up all
Speaker 1: those subtle nuances, of which they wrote none. I'm happy
Speaker 1: he had noticed. I wasn't there makes me loved totally. No,
Speaker 1: he was very concerned. You know, I was like, where's
Speaker 1: she because the last episode all about her? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where Chico? That is so cute and he now knows
Speaker 1: too many shirts about it that I think about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a little embarrassed. I think that that's become the
Speaker 1: catchphrase because it makes him sound young, but I think
Speaker 1: it's so funny. So we're in Phoenie's classroom. Mincus is
Speaker 1: back to his normal attire, saying he's more of a
Speaker 1: Connie Chung kind of guy than a Cindy Crawford guy,
Speaker 1: and Corey asks Mancus a geography question that that was
Speaker 1: in the you know the tournament that basically the one
Speaker 1: he lost on and has the answer right away. Um.
Speaker 1: Corey tells Mr Feenie he tries his he tried his hardest,
Speaker 1: but Mincus would have taken home the trophy. And Mr
Speaker 1: Feenie shows Corey that he actually got an A on
Speaker 1: this week's exam. It's his first ever A from Feenie,
Speaker 1: and Mr Feenie has the very cute moment with Corey
Speaker 1: where he walks over and he puts the A test
Speaker 1: up on the board where the tournament plaque would normally
Speaker 1: have gone had he won. And uh again we see
Speaker 1: this very cute moment and Ben, Ben and Bill actually
Speaker 1: high five. I thought it's very cute, it was great.
Speaker 1: I welled up. I can't help. That's Superman line in
Speaker 1: that one episode really got me. But I haven't. I
Speaker 1: haven't quite welled up since I This was a This
Speaker 1: was a moderate, like a minor well up. It wasn't
Speaker 1: on par with the super with the Superman well up,
Speaker 1: but that feeling of like, you know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot about having kids now of my own. I think
Speaker 1: a lot about what the best way is of encouraging
Speaker 1: them and of giving them compliments for when they work
Speaker 1: really hard, Like I naturally have a tendency to say
Speaker 1: good job about just about everything, and then I realized, like,
Speaker 1: that isn't actually helpful. What's really helpful, yeah, is is
Speaker 1: when he when I can tell that he's really worked
Speaker 1: at something, being like, wow, I can see how hard
Speaker 1: you worked at that, And so I try to be
Speaker 1: very aware of that language that I use in what
Speaker 1: I give him compliments on and so um, seeing it
Speaker 1: happen with Poenie in this place and imagining, like knowing
Speaker 1: the kind of pride you get when you've done something
Speaker 1: and you've achieved something, it just made it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: made me well up thinking that that Peoenie gave this
Speaker 1: boy the truthfully is really hard on, Like, he's really
Speaker 1: hard on Corey, and for valid reason. You know, Corey
Speaker 1: is you know, not necessarily the greatest student or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's constantly coming up with issues. But seeing him go
Speaker 1: out of his way to do the opposite, to really
Speaker 1: drive home the point that he is smart and that
Speaker 1: his effort is worth something and that he's proud of
Speaker 1: him is what made me well up. Is Like, you
Speaker 1: made Phoenie proud, And don't we all want that feeling
Speaker 1: of making Phoenie proud. Well, there is that kind of
Speaker 1: that kind of realization with Phoenie that whether it's compliments
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, or education or learning, you have
Speaker 1: to earn it. You always have to earn it with him,
Speaker 1: and I liked that That's kind of how we felt.
Speaker 1: It sounds so strange, but people always ask like, we're
Speaker 1: William Daniels and Mr Feenie similar And I always felt
Speaker 1: that way with Bill when it came to compliments with
Speaker 1: him about acting or our conduct on the set, I
Speaker 1: felt like I had to earn it, and I liked that.
Speaker 1: I liked feeling like I wanted to earn his respect,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I did eventually. But that's what
Speaker 1: I felt like that that this moment with Phoenie was like,
Speaker 1: look what you earned, Like you did this, you studied,
Speaker 1: you put in the time, and you earned the high five.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was really cool. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: tag is in the Matthews family living room. Corey is
Speaker 1: watching a baseball game. The announcer says that the bat
Speaker 1: girl has run onto the field with a protest banner,
Speaker 1: and then we see them have again the discussion that's
Speaker 1: in the geography tournament, and I couldn't really tell what
Speaker 1: this What the joke was is the joke that even
Speaker 1: the baseball announcer knows the answer to this question, and
Speaker 1: like everyone knows that, how did he not know? I
Speaker 1: think it's just that we, you know, because when we're
Speaker 1: watching the be we're thinking, this is so obscure, this
Speaker 1: is so the big joke is that it's not obscure.
Speaker 1: It's not And was this one of our Was this
Speaker 1: our dialogue coach Christopher Kier's voice? He might have been
Speaker 1: Chris Kayer, Chris, I was trying to listen to the
Speaker 1: voice everything. Certainly wasn't one of our writers, because I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, who is this? Is this? Minnell is
Speaker 1: that I don't think it was one of our one
Speaker 1: of our writers. But I remember these lines because we
Speaker 1: we said these as jokes forever. This was very much
Speaker 1: an inside joke. I think it might have tend our
Speaker 1: dialogue coach Chris kay was at the time. He had retired, obviously,
Speaker 1: but at the time was the youngest ring master in
Speaker 1: history of the Ringling Barn and Bailey Circus ringmaster at
Speaker 1: like the age of twenty three years. We should get
Speaker 1: Chris Kayer on the show. He's still good friends with
Speaker 1: Dedy I believe or somebody. He's still good friends with somebody.
Speaker 1: He's also friends with Tony O'Dell, who is a dialogue
Speaker 1: coach in My Great Guy. He was always very nice
Speaker 1: and very helpful, so it was great. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we should Uh, I think we should try to get
Speaker 1: him on the show. That would be great. Um. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite lines, just to recap in this episode,
Speaker 1: One of my favorite lines is when uh, we've seen
Speaker 1: Mincus in the Big Yellow chants and uh, Mr Feenie says,
Speaker 1: sometimes a man doesn't know another Yeah, sometimes the Sometimes
Speaker 1: a man doesn't know a struggle until he's walked a
Speaker 1: mile in another man's humongous pants. Humongouss I thought. It
Speaker 1: just made me laugh. And his delivery, ever, it was
Speaker 1: so great. It's one of my favorites. So uh, thank
Speaker 1: you for joining us for this episode. Next week, we
Speaker 1: are going to be recapping season one episode six, Boys
Speaker 1: to Mensa, which originally aired on October and we have
Speaker 1: a very special guest. We will be talking to someone
Speaker 1: who sat in the death chair. We will be talking
Speaker 1: to Marty York. We're very excited to have him. UM.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to catching up with him and also known
Speaker 1: for the sand Lot. Yeah, we have some sand Lot
Speaker 1: fans out there. Oh yes, how could you forget the
Speaker 1: sand Lot? Yeah? So, but we have we have a
Speaker 1: someone who actually sat in the death chair. We've done
Speaker 1: so much talking about it. We'll get to hear what
Speaker 1: that experience, what that experience was like. Um So follow
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Speaker 1: time with you guys as always, Yeah me too. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go hang out in my tiny little bed now,
Speaker 1: in my tiny little room that hasn't changed since night
Speaker 1: eighty four. That's all right. We love you all, pod dismissed.
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