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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire for Thursday, October twenty fourth. We have a phenomenal

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Speaker 2: pod A just a tremendous guest. If you like gambling,

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Speaker 2: you want to get smarter, you gotta listen to this one.

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Speaker 2: Doug Kazarian, formerly of ESPN, now he started his own shop.

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Speaker 2: He's an entrepreneur. He goes over some of his awesome

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Speaker 2: NFL draft hits. I mean, we're talking big, big payouts.

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Speaker 2: He's a sharp guy. I believe he went to an

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Speaker 2: IVY League school. Was a water polo guy. He's been

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Speaker 2: on the pod before. You guys all like it. Good stuff. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I was locked in on the NBA last night, but

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Speaker 2: because Doug and I had such a good conversation on

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Speaker 2: a it's a long one. I don't have time, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: to dive into some of the Just a tremendous NBA

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Speaker 2: fair that went down last night. My pacers, can I

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Speaker 2: call them my pacers? A nice comeback victory over Detroit.

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Speaker 2: It was a good night in the association. Poor bulls.

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Speaker 2: I heard there already. They've hashtagged it salute the flag.

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Speaker 2: They want to go for Cooper flag. They want to

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Speaker 2: just be awful and get Cooper flag, which is a

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Speaker 2: smart business model. I'll be brief. We talk. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if Doug and I talk about Monday Night football, sorry,

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Speaker 2: Thursday night football, but you guys, I tell it on

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Speaker 2: the pod. I'm on RAMS plus three. I'm upset that

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Speaker 2: I missed three and a half. Would not be shocked

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Speaker 2: if some two and a half's popped up today. A

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff that we've covered, you know, teams that

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Speaker 2: just played the Lions, teams that played on on Sunday

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Speaker 2: multiple time zones, like it's not an easy task this

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Speaker 2: week from Minnesota. Now, I don't think the Rams are

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Speaker 2: very good. There's a lot of rumors swirling. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure what I believe, but I'm on the RAMS plus three.

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Speaker 2: Would not be shocked if they want outright. I'm not

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Speaker 2: submitting in the contest, but I am. I'm on the

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Speaker 2: plus three And without further ado, let's get to our

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Speaker 2: interview Doug Kazarian, who started his own shop called Players Only.

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Speaker 1: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for.

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Speaker 3: Everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. Let's

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Speaker 3: just say I know a guy who knows a guy

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. He's been on

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Speaker 2: the pod once before. You know him from ESPN, from

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Speaker 2: his new betting venture Only Players. Doug Kazarian, Doug, how

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Speaker 2: you doing?

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Speaker 3: Man? Good to be with you, man, I know the

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Speaker 3: life gets in the way, especially you with a family,

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Speaker 3: but you know, we don't communicate enough that I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about when you reached out for the pod, I

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Speaker 3: was like, gosh, I've just fallen off the grid so

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Speaker 3: much with so many people, so I'm really psychosic to

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Speaker 3: chop it up for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'd like to ruffle some feathers in the

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Speaker 2: gambling space, shall we say? You had an awesome hit

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Speaker 2: around the NFL Draft. Was it two years ago or

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Speaker 2: three years ago?

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: With that.

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Speaker 2: Tell the audience what that one was again?

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Speaker 3: I yeah, it was an NFL Draft prop And so

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Speaker 3: basically you know when the betting space was even newer

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Speaker 3: that I had this betting background because I had done

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Speaker 3: Sports Center, Conventional Sports Center, and conventional sports talk radio

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Speaker 3: But I was like, no, I've been you know, I

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Speaker 3: like it's it's not like the math isn't as clean

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Speaker 3: Relett wheel math, you're getting certain payout, you're getting even

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Speaker 3: Like that math is inarguable, right, the Relett wheel, it's inarguable. Right,

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Speaker 3: like the the the the craps table, Like we know

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Speaker 2: But doesn't that kind of fit your bill of shouldn't

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Speaker 2: So I would ask you you said, there's two levels

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Speaker 3: guy like, hey, I shot this today, but I could

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Speaker 3: have done that, you know what would you? You know,

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Speaker 3: so there's always in your world too, where people there's

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Speaker 3: it's basically a consultant, right Like you can create and

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Speaker 3: then you create knowledge, build infrastructure where people can you know, learn.

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Speaker 3: It's like going from a yellow belt to a brown belt,

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Speaker 3: purple belt. You know. It's that kind of concept where

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Speaker 3: you can, you know, grow as a better if you're

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Speaker 3: new to this space or you're it's turning twenty one

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Speaker 3: and you want to help him, and there's all sorts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the biggest pushback would be, Okay, so let's

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Speaker 2: take you know, Adam Turnoff obviously Right Angle Sports good guy.

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Speaker 2: He's been on the podcast a bunch. So Right Angle

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Speaker 2: Sports releases their picks right and unless you're getting the notification,

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Speaker 2: the alert right before they release it, you're more than

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Speaker 2: likely going to miss their release. At I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say six and a half and then boom,

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Speaker 2: it's at seven and you now and can no longer

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Speaker 2: get the best number and you're shifted. So you might like,

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Speaker 2: that's the only problem I have with Well, I've never

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Speaker 2: paid for a tout service before, right, So I've.

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Speaker 3: Talked to people like that who do influence the market,

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Speaker 3: the few out there, and I don't want to put

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Speaker 3: anyone on spot or bad. So I said, you're doing

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Speaker 3: it as service here, like you have to just charge

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Speaker 3: more and if it ends up being three people who

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Speaker 3: get your service and they cover the same nut, Right,

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Speaker 3: it's ten people at one dollar, right, you need to

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Speaker 3: charge five dollars for two people. Right, it's just that

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Speaker 3: to get the same ten dollars. Whatever it is. Right,

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Speaker 3: So I'm with you. Now, the NFL is a liquid

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Speaker 3: enough market where those numbers will come back at times

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Speaker 3: like I know what RAS has played and the market

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Speaker 3: will sometimes come back.

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Speaker 2: But that's a good point. The market will come back.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. How long do you have to

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Speaker 2: sit staring at the screen to no it'll come back?

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Speaker 3: Like they'll send out a release like Wednesday and like

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Speaker 3: Sunday morning and might come back. But you're right. If

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Speaker 3: you're not doing it instantaneously, it moves because the books,

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Speaker 3: like we talked about, flag those accounts. So I'm of

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Speaker 3: the belief that you have to do things in a

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Speaker 3: certain way and have a price point, but then you

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Speaker 3: also have to have a value add like I don't. Yes,

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Speaker 3: everyone who subscribes my stuff knows what picks I'm doing,

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Speaker 3: and I do him in a time, we weigh whatever.

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Speaker 3: But there's so much more to it. I just think

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Speaker 3: that's one aspect to it. All.

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Speaker 2: Right, So let's take a line from this week. Let's

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Speaker 2: do a week eight line. Let's go Cincinnati and Philly.

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Speaker 2: So it looks like we're recording this Thursday, Wednesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It looks like there's some Eagles money maybe coming in, right,

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Speaker 2: So it was two and a half. I'm seeing some twos.

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Speaker 2: I see a one and a half at FanDuel. So somebody,

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Speaker 2: let's just say Joe Smith, who is an advantage gambler,

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Speaker 2: he's plus ev, he's multimillionaire, he gave out to his service.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say he did Eagles plus two and a half.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the line comes down. But you

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Speaker 2: had a meeting, you had lunch with your wife. All

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Speaker 2: this stuff you missed it. It's not a one and

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Speaker 2: a half. It's like and that. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you saw that other than like just saying, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to have a life. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to hang with my kids or coach my kids or

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Speaker 2: I just it's it's a really tough life. Like, be honest,

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Speaker 2: how many hours a day are you looking at the screen.

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Speaker 3: So it's a great point. The one thing I do

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Speaker 3: say is I'm a bachelor, and I know you are

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Speaker 3: yourself included who are successful in their careers and successful

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Speaker 3: at home. So it's like two full time jobs, right,

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Speaker 3: like to be a parent and obviously you you know,

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Speaker 3: their full time parent as well. But if I don't

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Speaker 3: have that, like I can do a lot of the stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I also built a TV studio in my house,

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Speaker 3: so we're doing a lot of content with We're going

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Speaker 3: to announce some like any day now. But we have

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Speaker 3: like a bunch of deals. We've had to get the

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Speaker 3: contract sign everything, but we're going to be a third

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Speaker 3: content provider of betting content so we can do talkbacks

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Speaker 3: we can do all these like different Tetris pieces. So

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Speaker 3: we're in the content space as well, so like I mean,

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Speaker 3: you're old enough, we wear the same agent. Roughly, it's

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Speaker 3: like remember the old the Motley Fool, like they would

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Speaker 3: do sort of like a daily newsletter and it still

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Speaker 3: exists now, but it's just in a form but like

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal, right, like they have educational and they

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Speaker 3: have analytical stuff and they have a paywall as well,

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Speaker 3: and there's so that's kind of what we want to be.

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Speaker 3: And now they can be a third party, like partner

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Speaker 3: up with another outlet, so I can do betting content

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Speaker 3: that some of it's behind on our paywall site, but

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Speaker 3: some of it's just different. It's like, hey, I'm just

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Speaker 3: telling you what I'm hearing and it's kind of interesting content.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully that we can create for other outlets and do

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Speaker 3: other stuff because people need betting content. But they're slowly

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Speaker 3: realizing this is my other beef with the betting space

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Speaker 3: that you know, the invisible hand is going to always

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Speaker 3: work itself out, but people are realizing that they don't

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Speaker 3: have the horses to do this stuff in house. Like

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Speaker 3: there was this this mass likeush of just giving everyone

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Speaker 3: the title of betting analysts, which I was just like

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Speaker 3: so random, Like it's just like, how did how's you know?

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Speaker 3: Whereas like if you're watching CBS before kickoff on Sunday mornings,

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Speaker 3: like Bill Cower's there, and like all these people have

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Speaker 3: credentials and it's just like this talking he Like I

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Speaker 3: think the biggest mistake the betting space. And I don't

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Speaker 3: know if ESPN did it or who did it first,

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Speaker 3: but just I think people should have literally have been

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Speaker 3: as simple as just giving him a betting personality or

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Speaker 3: betting talent or just something that wasn't analysts, because I

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Speaker 3: think all these people get on the defensive and they're

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Speaker 3: trying to be so technical and they're trying to all

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Speaker 3: be the same person with their plays. It's just like,

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Speaker 3: just be like a betting talent or betting personality and

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Speaker 3: then they can do some of the gimmicky social media stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Cousin sALS like the great example.

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Speaker 3: He's really funny, really knowledgeable about sports. He doesn't take

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Speaker 3: himself too seriously. He's not sitting there ever, describing the

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Speaker 3: value of a half point. He's just talking sports through

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Speaker 3: the lens of betting and he's a great listen because

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Speaker 3: he's funny, and he's you know, he has great anecdotal

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Speaker 3: comments and he's just himself right now, he's allowed to

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Speaker 3: do that because he's more well known and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of these networks are making a mistake

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Speaker 3: just giving like seven people or five people whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: everyone's betting analyst. They're all trying to the same thing,

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Speaker 3: and it's just a bunch of monotonous and it's not

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Speaker 3: interesting to the masses, and that's why it's not working

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Speaker 3: on the network level for the most part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I this is gonna sound bad. I

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Speaker 2: don't really watch any of the pregame shows. I just

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Speaker 2: I can't get into them. I feel like, yeah, listen,

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Speaker 2: you and I are in this space. We pay attention everything.

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Speaker 2: Are you learning anything from many of those guys? Are

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Speaker 2: they giving out game him?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So I'm not in on that, But like I mean,

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Speaker 2: but for instance, my process. So the first two bets

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Speaker 2: I made for week eight, and both the the lines

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Speaker 2: have gone both against me early this week, right, So

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Speaker 2: I saw Packers Jags. I took Packers minus four and

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Speaker 2: a half and I took Niners minus five after their

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Speaker 2: loss to the Chiefs against the Cowboys coming off the buy.

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Speaker 2: Now the Niners one probably could bite me in the ass.

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Speaker 2: If Deebo Samuel I figured I didn't know he was

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Speaker 2: that sick, and then money in the hospital, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh shit, well that's not great, Jennings. I expect him back.

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Speaker 2: We know why you's done. But I expect the Niners

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Speaker 2: to bounce back. And I think schematically Kyle Shanahan's a

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Speaker 2: nightmare for Mike Zimmers defense, even if they get Parsons back.

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Speaker 2: But the line's going against me. The other one is

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Speaker 2: the Packers. I just I don't believe in this Jaguars defense.

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Speaker 2: I bet against them multiple times this year. They are

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Speaker 2: total garbage. However, is there a letdown going on the road?

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Speaker 2: But both lines have gone against me, But I'm already

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Speaker 2: pot committed to those. I'm just curious for your process.

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Speaker 2: Are you in early in the week better? And what's

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Speaker 2: your move if the lines go against it?

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Speaker 3: It just depends, So I think taking a step away,

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Speaker 3: I think you've kind of pinpointed in a lot of

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Speaker 3: ways why the NFL can be beatable for more casual

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Speaker 3: sports betters, because it's very math driven, right, So much

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Speaker 3: like in the early two thousands with the poker world.

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Speaker 3: Similar timeline, the math guys came in to the betting

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Speaker 3: world and started being the shaping of the market. So

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Speaker 3: the eye test betters, if you will, they it's like

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Speaker 3: the moneyball concept, right, the old school scout like they

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Speaker 3: have an advantage because the math guys think one way

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Speaker 3: and they can't help themselves. They really can't. So like

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Speaker 3: I was, for example last weekend, I was really surprised

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars lines des as it did because usually there's

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Speaker 3: going to be buy back at some key numbers. So

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Speaker 3: with your example of the packers, like it won't go

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Speaker 3: that high, I don't think like they can't help themselves

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Speaker 3: for taking the ugly dogs, like they can't help themselves

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Speaker 3: on the PA Panthers now that Bryce Young is going

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Speaker 3: to start, like at some point they're going to take it.

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Speaker 3: But what happens is the market just is stubborn like that. However,

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Speaker 3: we do see blowouts, we do see one sided game,

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Speaker 3: so that's why the sharps have a really tough time.

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Speaker 3: And in the NFL, the game plans are very hard.

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Speaker 3: This is what made Belichick so hard for modelers because

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Speaker 3: one week he'd run forty five times. The next week

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Speaker 3: he'd throw forty five times. So I don't care what

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Speaker 3: the stats were in the past. It's really hard to

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Speaker 3: almost didn't matter with him. It's about he would choreograph

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Speaker 3: a game plan and find your weaknesses. And they always

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Speaker 3: said he'd make you play left handed, and you know,

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Speaker 3: things like that. It's really hard to project. Like I

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Speaker 3: used to say this about the SEC Championship game, but

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Speaker 3: you know this is prior to draftings and fando. It

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Speaker 3: was really hard for these sportsbooks to do props on

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Speaker 3: Georgia and Alabama wide receivers because they hadn't played in

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Speaker 3: the competitive game all season. It's like they would play

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Speaker 3: three quarters tops against That was when Tennessee was weak

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Speaker 3: and then Vanderbilt was weak. So it's like you take

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Speaker 3: stats of DeVante Smith and some of the Jalen Waddle

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Speaker 3: against like the first half in like maybe the half

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Speaker 3: of the third quarter against Vandy, and you're trying to

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Speaker 3: do props against Georgia, Like I mean, doing a total

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Speaker 3: in that game is hard enough. How do you do

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Speaker 3: like props? So it's really that's why so the NFL,

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Speaker 3: some teams will lay it lay down, like you said,

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Speaker 3: the flatdown spot and all this stuff, so it comes

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Speaker 3: I think all that means it's really hard for the

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Speaker 3: math modelers and it's just kind of open season and

644
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: the market may not be that tight in the NFL.

645
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: Sure we're gonna have upsets like we did the first

646
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: x amount of weeks, but it's starting to even itself out.

647
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: We kind of know what the deal is with like

648
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: the Browns, although now they're aging quarterbacks, and we know

649
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: where some of these teams are. Like, we just had misconceptions,

650
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: like we thought the Jags were good because opening week

651
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: they really should have beat the Dolphins. Yeah, but they

652
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: only lost by three in a fluky outcome. And it's

653
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: been downhill since. So we had to get hit over

654
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: the head a couple of times chasing what we saw

655
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: the week one with Jacksonville. And now we realize just

656
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: how bad they are and we're not going to overreact to,

657
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, a London win over New England.

658
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: So the Jags, I know everybody's going to point to, oh,

659
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: well the Jags, they were just in London for two weeks,

660
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: are going to be exhausted. There's basically no data that

661
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: backs that up. I mean, it sounds good, right, and

662
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure other people will say it, but there's no

663
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: data that says coming off two weeks in London and

664
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But some stuff that's out there, like

665
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Love just destroys zone defenses like you cannot zone

666
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: Jordan Love. He will shred you. He's arguably the best

667
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: quarterback the numbers say against his own. All Jacksonville does

668
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: is play zone and I'm sure you saw Cam Robinson

669
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: with the concussion and then he's got the long flight

670
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: back from London. I'm guessing he's a no go this week.

671
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: The left tackle and you know, we know the Packers

672
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: are top ten in pressure rate and they don't blitz lot.

673
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: This just nothing lines up for Jacksonville here, So I

674
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just curious, Doug, what are people seeing

675
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: that you'd see this?

676
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: You brought this up. So let's go to the Jordan

677
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: Love thing. Are you talking more from a props standpoint,

678
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: a Packers team total or just the minus the points?

679
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: Roger, I start with the side because I'm I don't

680
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: see any prop totals out yet, do you No?

681
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: But you kind of know what it'll be roughly, right, Yeah,

682
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: And so even with the strong betting angle like you have,

683
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some variants. Like I was heavy on

684
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: Gino Smith last week against the Falcons. Right, when Gino

685
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: has a clean pocket, he can thrive, and we saw

686
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: that against the Lions. We saw that in some other

687
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: games as well. He's been he's been awesome. But remember

688
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: they had a defensive touchdown then they had the big

689
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: lead they were protecting. So I lost on his overpassing yards.

690
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: He only had like two hundred and ten or so,

691
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: but he had, you know, that huge touchdown right before halftime,

692
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: So you had that, you went over one and a

693
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: half passing touchdowns. But I guess what I'm saying is

694
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: the variants. Even when the matchup is favorable and they

695
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: play well, sometimes the game script can go a certain

696
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: way where things don't play out, you know necessarily like

697
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: they quote unquote should And that's the same thing that

698
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: happens in the Packers games, right. You know the first

699
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: four weeks, all these Sharps were fading the Chiefs because

700
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: they were losing the box score and they were barely covering.

701
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, they barely beat the Ravens in Week one.

702
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: Lively's toe was on the line, but they were also

703
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: up ten and if they had just gotten a first down,

704
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: they were playing sort of prevent victory a little, so

705
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: they could easily won by ten. So there's a different way.

706
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: And then they didn't look that great in some other games.

707
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: A Chargers game, they were, you know, just messing around,

708
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: playing with their food, and they won by exactly seven.

709
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: Could have easily lost the game. Yeah, so a lot

710
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: of people just get kept fading the Chiefs. But again,

711
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: these other teams, and this is where I think being

712
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: a sports fan like yourself and knowledgeable about sports and

713
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: more than just being a fan, I mean you're connected

714
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: and you know this stuff, Like you know, the Chiefs

715
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: are playing the long game and they're getting Teams are

716
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: allowed to change and get better. That's why, frankly, a

717
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: lot of these math modelers in the NFL used last

718
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: year's stats as a baseline. So even this juncture of

719
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: the season, even week twelve, like last year's stats are

720
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: part of their projections because they want larger sample size,

721
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: and so they use a lot of the individual stats

722
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: because teams change. Obviously, some player personnel.

723
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: But that's tough Chiefs Doug, right, I mean, Pacheco's gone,

724
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: Rice is gone. Kelsey doesn't even look like he looked

725
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: last year. He doesn't like. The Chiefs are really befuddling

726
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: to me because I will maintain Doug and you can

727
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: feel for it. I don't think they're a great football

728
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: team right now. I know they're undefeated and the defense

729
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: is unbelievable, but offensively they don't scare anybody.

730
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what they deal with Mahomes. They do

731
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: with Mahomes, don't they scare some people.

732
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: I don't look at the receivers. He's trot now, like honestly,

733
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean the Raiders. You know this Raiders is interesting.

734
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that game so instantly. This moves up.

735
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: Chiefs are huge favorites. They just dismantle the Niners. But

736
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: of course some people want to mention. Hey, remember in

737
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: the offseason when the Raiders did that voodoo doll thing

738
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: and making fun Ofatrick Mahomes with the Kermit the frog

739
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: whatever it was, and Mahomes said, oh, well, we'll worry

740
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: about that later in the season. Again, I don't know

741
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: how you factor that into your handicapping. But Patrick Mahomes

742
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: has had a down year. I think he's tied for

743
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: the league leading interceptions. If ever, there was a game

744
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 2: where he's just going to be like, Oh, I'm going

745
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: ham on you guys, We're going to go for forty.

746
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: It feels like maybe this is the spot, unless you

747
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: don't think Casey's even capable of that.

748
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: I do think they're capable. Yeah, I mean they look,

749
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: they kind of manhandled the Saints in that one game,

750
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: and they had that pick on the goal line too.

751
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: But that Saints win isn't as impressive as we thought

752
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: it was at the time. No, yeah, I would say

753
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 3: I was looking at the Raiders plus ten and then

754
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: the whole Kermit the Frog thing he got me off

755
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: of it. I do. I backed it in where it's

756
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: like I don't have to bet the game like in

757
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: my Pickham league. In my Pickham leagues, I'll take the

758
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: plus ten in my contest, I have to come up

759
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: with five.

760
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: So I kind of figure it out the toughest part.

761
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 3: But we have no buys this week if I remember correctly,

762
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: so that we have no.

763
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: Buys and no London game, which is nice.

764
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, So look, it's been hard man. Like last week,

765
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: I had like two sides. That that's all I did, Like,

766
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: I just didn't like the card. I had a million.

767
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: Let me guess you loved Seattle, right.

768
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: I did that team total and over, but then I

769
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: lost the game over too, so I split that.

770
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had two and three in the contest that

771
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: the two I loved were layups automatic, and then the

772
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: other three just kind of flekey stuff. And then like

773
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: an idiot, I went against Mahomes with the Niners, and

774
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, let me ask you. Deebo Samuel practices all week, Okay,

775
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: no restriction is nothing, He's fine, and then he shows

776
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: up to the game sick, plays three plays and is

777
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: out like the people expecting sanfre and like myself to

778
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: do well in that when obviously Debo's a huge part

779
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: of the game plan and then poof, he's gone after

780
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: three plays, like just logistically, oh my gosh, that's a shot.

781
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: He's like your team leader. He's the first guy out

782
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: of the tunnel with Trent Williams. I mean, and he's

783
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: got pneumonia. You can't even play. You know, it's bad

784
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: when Deebo Samuel can't get on the field like that.

785
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: To me was just that's brutal.

786
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: But some of these into you don't let that affect you.

787
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: You just got to let that go when well, okay, two.

788
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: Weeks ago, Michael Pittman, how about Michael Pittman two weeks ago, Hey, Wednesday,

789
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: looks like he said it toward ir Sunday catches the

790
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: game when he touchdown pass? What the fuck is that?

791
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, that was a really outlier situation.

792
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: But the NF, look, there's no there's no teeth to

793
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: the penalty. Like I mean, the NFL is trying to

794
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: get them to do it, but there's no punishment. So

795
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: like like Cam Rising, like there's no punishment. Oh gosh,

796
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham not doing anything with that injury. Now finally,

797
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, a week ago they finally announced that he's

798
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: done for the year. But every week it was like

799
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: panda watch, And so what are you supposed to do

800
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: as a gambler, Yeah, when it's just this, you know,

801
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: is he or is he not playing? And but there's

802
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 3: no ramifications or consequences. So I don't blame the coach either.

803
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: If he's that Gamesman should help. Gamesmanship helps with the

804
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 3: opposing teeth.

805
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: Let me ask you two more Chargers Saints. So this

806
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: is one of those weird spots. We've seen two of

807
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: them this season where one team's coming off extra rest

808
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: from Thursday, and that would be the Saints they got destroyed,

809
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: and the others coming off a short rest the Chargers

810
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: on one night football right.

811
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: The other one was Giant Seattle, right, yes, yeah, and

812
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 3: Seattle got magnified like no other and the other pining

813
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: quarterback for the Saints.

814
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: Well that's so that's the only hang up. But as it,

815
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: just because I'm a moron, I was like, you know what,

816
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: let me just go ahead and grab the Chargers minus

817
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: seven and a half. If they find out that there's

818
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: no car and Olave's not back. We know Shaheed's done.

819
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: We don't know about Taysom Hill. Like the Saints are

820
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: just a mass unit and we know they can't stop

821
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: the run. I mean the Eagles read everybody runs all

822
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: over them. I I mean Kareem Hunt came off the

823
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: sofa and ran for a buck twenty or whatever. I

824
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: see harball just slow twenty to seven kind of game,

825
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: twenty to six, whatever it is.

826
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: But I think it could be a shootout if it's

827
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: car or even if it's Jake Hayner, I think it

828
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: can be a shootout.

829
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: Why are you reading shootout?

830
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: What? Because the Saints are going to give up points

831
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: right away. I know what you mean by Harbor is

832
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: going to want to run on them. But you can

833
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: have chunk plays as well, and I think the Saints

834
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: have enough weapons Kamara and still like if you just

835
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: you see a competent quarterback, rattlers not good like if

836
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: Jake Hayner played, I think they can put up a

837
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: lot of points. I really do.

838
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: Interesting so, but we don't know who the starter.

839
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: Is because of the rest advantage and things like that.

840
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: Like you said, have you fired on this game at all?

841
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: No? No, this is a card I hate now. I

842
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: hated last week too and ended up being you know,

843
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: prophetic on that because I didn't do well, like I

844
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: didn't like the card, didn't like anything. I usually do

845
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: my best in October November because the math guys get

846
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: sort of solidified, and I think there's situational handicapping like

847
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: you were talking about. Sometimes the cards is not that favorable.

848
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: Like my favorite play this week is the Jets and

849
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: Patriots over forty.

850
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: Oh dear goodness, gracious the Jets. I can't that's my

851
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: team and I can't even watch them, Doug, So don't.

852
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: You forty one? Like, don't you think the offense is

853
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: like needs to get right? Like don't you think they

854
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: need a breakout sort of performance and the Patriots defense

855
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: is the perfect kind of you know, prescription for that.

856
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: I do wonder and again this no math involved. Mayo

857
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: goes and calls out his team as soft. Belichick then

858
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: goes on somewhere and says, you can't call your players

859
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: offt that's that's not right. I don't know whether it's

860
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: going to be a mutiny in the locker room or

861
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: it's gonna wake guys up. So I think nothing.

862
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: Do you think that like they're capable of playing better

863
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 3: if they tried it harder. I just don't think they're good.

864
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: So we jet the Jets. They could be down four

865
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: guys in the secondary, and Drake may has actually done

866
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: kind of well.

867
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think the Patriots, well, that's why

868
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: I like the over. I don't want to lay it

869
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 3: with the Jets. I think we're gonna see some points.

870
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 3: I don't think the Patriots call them soft, call them great,

871
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: Like I don't think their defense is good, so they're

872
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: like it's like telling me if I you know, I

873
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: cannot dunk, so I go try to dunk and I

874
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: don't get there, and it's like you call me soft,

875
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna all of a sudden be able

876
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: to dunk right because I'm mad, Like I don't think

877
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: they can play better, because I don't think they're good.

878
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: I think I saw a stat though they they've had

879
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: seven games and seven different offensive line combinations, like they're

880
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: just a mess, trading judeon bar Moore's stuff, like they

881
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: don't have any I.

882
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: Thought they gave up their those defensive guys. But but

883
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: the when when Brissette was playing, the opposing teams knew

884
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: that he couldn't throw the ball. So now that Drake May,

885
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean frankly, he'll turn the ball over and that

886
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: helps it over too. So like the the he's a

887
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: the line got bet up. I think from thirty eight

888
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: to like forty two, and then there's buyback, like I

889
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: think this thing could have like fifty to fifty five points, Like,

890
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you need to get right on offense. And

891
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: it's another week of practice with Devonte Adams and things

892
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: like that well.

893
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: Wayne Adams has a hamstring. He may not go this

894
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: week because the.

895
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: Show next week totally banged up. So very yeah, let

896
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: me ask you, I think those guys can score on him.

897
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: So like the old school guys you referenced earlier in

898
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: the podcast, they will probably look at this spot and see, ooh,

899
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: divisional rematch, okay outdoors Automatically, the divisional rematches historically go under.

900
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: I don't have the ats in front.

901
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: Of me, but and we think that's right.

902
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: We have one that.

903
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: I think it's the straight mat is using output and

904
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: data points from when Jacoby Brissett was playing. So I

905
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: think those low scores, those inept offensive outputs went into

906
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: that fact. And I just think it's a completely different team.

907
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even consider the offensive numbers from those weeks

908
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: that Brisset was the quarterback. I just won't even consider it.

909
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: It's a completely different team as far as I'm concerned.

910
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: So that that's your favorite total, is there a side

911
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: that you've kind of narrowed down?

912
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,279
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913
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,640
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914
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,880
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915
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,680
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916
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: It's really hard to lay the lumber with Denver.

917
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think it's that I don't

918
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: think it's that hard.

919
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: I mean, voters should not be laying that kind of points.

920
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: But that was what everybody said last week against the Saints,

921
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, no, no, look at the matchup.

922
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: It's the Saints.

923
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: They're not right.

924
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: Carolina's bad and Bryce Young's bad and that's like my

925
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: I think that's go on my tombstone down the road.

926
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: I was the only person just from the from the

927
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: highest hilltop I can get is Bryce Young is not

928
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: an NFL quarterback?

929
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: Did you? Uh well, I guess they're not out yet.

930
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: But prop numbers on defensive touchdown for the Broncos gotta

931
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: go high. I mean, honestly, it feels like Shortan's probably

932
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: gonna get one the pressure. Yes, I mean, this is

933
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: just tough.

934
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: But let me I will say, we've seen quarterbacks get

935
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: better a little bit when they've been able to see

936
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: the game from a different angle on the sideline and

937
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: just you know, whether it's Dalton's is saying, hey, the

938
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: small bites, take what the defense gives you. Things like that,

939
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: Although he was terrible last week, but maybe he's gonna

940
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: be a little bit better because he has a high

941
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: football like you, and maybe there's upside there. He's just tiny,

942
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: that's my issue with him. I never questioned his his

943
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: you know, aptitude from a from a reading defenses thing,

944
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: but he's regressed in the NFL and he's just he's

945
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: not an NFL quarterback. He's just too small. It's just

946
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: that simple. But I would look there. There's no like

947
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: dogs that are jumping off the page for me.

948
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: You would look where Denver or Carolina?

949
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: Denver, Yeah, Denver. I think the Jets plus seven's worth

950
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: a look as well. I just mind plus seven the Jets. Sorry,

951
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. The Patriots plus seven ill Patriots interesting at home.

952
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: But the Jets just need this game too much. It's

953
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: like too important to them.

954
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: How about this one. Let's go to Bears Washington. You've

955
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: got the injury thing to Jaden Daniels. So there's a

956
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: report that Daniels did not practice today, and I think

957
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: they said we'll see Friday. But if you read Ian

958
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: Rapaport's tweet, he wrote, it's trending as if Mariota will

959
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: get to start. Now you can read the tea leaves

960
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: in that and say, oh, it's gonna be Mariota. They

961
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: have a huge divisional matchup with the Giants next week

962
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: that that means more than this Bears game. And I

963
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: I mean, again, Doug, this is just kind of a guest,

964
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: but I don't think Daniels is gonna go Remember the

965
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: RG three stuff, he had, the injuries, they forced him

966
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: out there, it ended horribly. I think that Washington is

967
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: cautious here, and I'm on the Bears here.

968
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: I would go the other way. I just think it's

969
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: going to be a strong effort game from Washington. Bears

970
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: have won three straight. I don't think they're that good.

971
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: The problem is Washington defense isn't good, so the Bears

972
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: have capitalized on facing the bad defenses on their schedule

973
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 3: of the last three weeks. Yeah, but Washington's just like

974
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: the fourth one. Uh so that's a little bit. I

975
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: don't think their coaching staff's really good, so I don't

976
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 3: know if they're taking advantage of it. Unless they had

977
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 3: a bunch of injuries they had to get healthy. Obviously

978
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: that the buy can serve as a huge asset, or

979
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: it can disrupt a win streak. Too. I like this

980
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: Washington team, but it's just Jane Daniels, Like I do

981
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: think a guy like Mariota at this juncture of his career,

982
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 3: like there there could be like he could be much

983
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: better now, Like there is reason for guys to get better.

984
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 3: And if it's just one of those things where you like,

985
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: look at Flacca, I mean he was good before, but

986
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: so much of this game is mental and iq I

987
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: mean Adon Manning's last year in Denver, right, And so

988
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: if Mariota has gotten better and just learned, like Sam

989
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: Darnold's a great example, right, He's just become more knowledgeable

990
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: for the position, and he can anticipate more things than

991
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: he could before, and therefore he's not reacting, he's anticipating.

992
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: And so if the game is slowing down for a

993
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: guy like Mariota, there's no reason he can't be like

994
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: a decent QB if he's got obviously the mobility as well,

995
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: and he doesn't have to do much if he's got

996
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: good weapons and just you know, kind of just it's

997
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: all the cliches of football. Make sure every drive ends

998
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: with a kick and blah blah blah. But I'm I'm

999
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: a big believer, whether it be college football within a

1000
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: season or NFL within a season, or or like people

1001
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 3: are allowed to get better, Like yes, we have our

1002
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: first impressions, but that doesn't mean it's different. Like you

1003
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: don't get to this level of sports, whether it's the

1004
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 3: NFL or and be at whatever by being like a chump. Right,

1005
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: So if a guy you know, yes, for every we

1006
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: have the JaMarcus Russells of the world, and we have

1007
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: some other busts, but usually you have a competitive That's

1008
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 3: why teams that get blown out you want to bet

1009
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: on in the next week is that week of practice.

1010
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: They're buttoned up their competitive dudes. They're elite athletes, Like

1011
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a good effort or at least preparation

1012
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: all week. So I do believe that Mariota could be

1013
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: a lot better at this juncture in stam Donold versus

1014
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: like three years ago, four years ago.

1015
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: You did reference the Bears getting healthy off the by

1016
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: So in week six in London they were down three

1017
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: defensive backs and looks like Stevenson is back, Brisker will

1018
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: have cleared concussion protocol, and their secondary has been pretty

1019
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: damn good. Now, as you alluded to, they played crap quarterbacks,

1020
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: but you put Johnson Byered Brisker Steven that that's a

1021
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: pretty great combo. And I, I mean, I feel pretty

1022
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: good about about my bear side two and a half.

1023
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: Not great, I mean agree that Daniels probably isn't playing.

1024
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: Like I'm with you on that.

1025
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: I guess last one, Doug, you can laugh. So the

1026
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: New York Giants go to Pittsburgh Monday night. It is

1027
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: the biggest spread post Ben Roethlisberger that Tomlins laid. The

1028
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: other two big spreads they did not cover. I can't

1029
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: believe this, but I think I'm going to be backing

1030
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. I think on Monday at football.

1031
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm with you in terms of like, oh lot, No, No,

1032
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: I'm not betting. I'm just saying, like I understand where

1033
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: you're coming from. My biggest concern is just the happy

1034
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: feed against that pass rush. Right yeah, well yeah, he's

1035
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: played well in a couple of games, and frankly, like

1036
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 3: the Browns have a decent you know, can put pressure

1037
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: on the quarterback and then they almost beat the Eagles

1038
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 3: and the Commander's game he played while they should have,

1039
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: but that's a bad defense. The Cowboys have a bad

1040
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: defense and they couldn't even get the end zone. I

1041
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: I wonder if like that offense can just be completely

1042
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 3: disrupted by a by a Steelers team, and that that

1043
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: defense man, Like I was shocked they lost the Cowboys,

1044
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: Like I like the Cowboys made that Cowboys completely outplayed

1045
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: them that game, frankly, and other than that, like this

1046
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: defense is a disruptor. And but I'm not in a

1047
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: rush to lay six and a half. I still think

1048
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: Russ is like so so although he looked okay, he

1049
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: throws at the there's going to be an adjustment, like

1050
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: the rust, like some of the short hops have to

1051
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: go away.

1052
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: You think, well, I'm not in a rush to back

1053
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: the Giants, but I need five in the contest that

1054
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: I've only got right, No.

1055
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: I know, I look, I Trice look. I'm also like

1056
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: handicapping the NBA and all this crazy stuff. I'm looking

1057
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: at a few things in the NFL. The over I'm

1058
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 3: surprised has come down a little bit after going up

1059
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: a lot that New England Jets game, Like that's the

1060
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: only game that I think is a strong bet for me.

1061
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 3: I'm warming up to the Packers for sure. Like, but again,

1062
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: but this talks about the market. The market has the

1063
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: buy back at five and now it's bought back from

1064
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: four and a half to four. Why because they can't

1065
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 3: help themselves. It's a math again, it's the math thing.

1066
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: They're like, well, the line should be this, I made it, this,

1067
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: I have to bet it. And in their defense, they

1068
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: make money doing this, right, like, they are profitable, and

1069
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: so they have to stick to their math because they're

1070
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: going to to go six and four, six and five,

1071
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: and it's gonna, you know, whatever it is, right seven

1072
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: and five, and we're just trying to go four and

1073
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: three and two in a contest or maybe just two

1074
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: and one on bets and we have our rightea. So

1075
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 3: while we may be right on that Packers game, they're

1076
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: not good. They're not about to deviate from their math

1077
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: and start doing something that has been working for so long.

1078
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: So like, think about it, like them t blackjack, right,

1079
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: like they know if the count is this, they're just

1080
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: gonna do it. And you're sitting there like, why would

1081
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: you hit twelve against a four or something, And it's like, well,

1082
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: the math said, whatever it is, you know, So I

1083
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 3: think they're gonna do it their way. But that's the

1084
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 3: beauty of the NFL. Like that's the one nice thing

1085
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: is the sharp money keeps the market from getting too

1086
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: crazy unless there's a significant injury with quarterback or something

1087
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: like that. But like, there's gonna be there's gonna be

1088
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 3: resistance on the Panthers. Just watch there. You know. Obviously

1089
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: there was an adjustment when when Darnold's officially out and

1090
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: now what's gonna happen. So it's already come back. It

1091
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 3: hit ten and a half, I think, and now it's

1092
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: solid ten everywhere. Maybe it didn't hit ten and a half,

1093
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: but it's it's a solid ten everywhere. And I just

1094
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: think as soon as a book, you know, because the weekend,

1095
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: the weekend's gonna come and the public's gonna come in heavy,

1096
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 3: and then they're going to try ten and a half.

1097
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: But the sharps will bite right away because that's just

1098
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 3: how they are. Yeah, right, and it works for.

1099
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: Them only players. Go ahead, check that out. Very cool.

1100
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: Listen.

1101
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people leave ESPN and it's like, oh man,

1102
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: they're going to get lost. Doug is crushing it and

1103
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: continued success with my friend hopefully will you be at

1104
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: the super Bowl or nowhere?

1105
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 3: Uh no, I mean I was obviously here in town

1106
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: last year, so I have no plans this year. I

1107
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: probably should be looking into that and doing that because

1108
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: at least I'll go for the week. Is you know,

1109
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 3: I'm wearing the entrepreneurial hat during all this as well. Yeah,

1110
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot about distribution and sales and just

1111
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: the mechanics now. Fortunately, my business partner has like basically

1112
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: my career from a sales standpoint, so he's done network

1113
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: sales and all this stuff, so he understands all these

1114
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: acts and m's for you know, online videos and all

1115
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: this stuff, but CPMs and all the distribution lingo. But

1116
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: I've learned a lot and talking with more, like we

1117
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: had a really big call today and like I understand

1118
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: what they want from a content standpoint and in a

1119
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: minute video and district so I'm learning a lot and

1120
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 3: how the sausage is made, which I think has made

1121
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: me better on air. We'll see, but.

1122
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: For years get not.

1123
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 3: Necessarily better hate together, but it's it's a slow grind

1124
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: for sure, And there's obviously like you wonder and you

1125
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: miss you missed the bells and whistles of an ESPN

1126
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: for sure, and just being back on campus and interacting.

1127
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: Like I loved. Campus life is just be working with

1128
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 3: a bunch of smart, cool people like you know that

1129
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: from Fox. But the entrepreneurial life is cool too, And

1130
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: I can go anywhere whenever I want and you know,

1131
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: do whatever I want and maybe go back home to

1132
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 3: LA and stuff like that. So everything has its trade off.

1133
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: But you know, this has been something that you know

1134
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people do this. A lot of people

1135
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: do this conventionally in their own industries. Right, You're your work,

1136
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: core life for a while and then you go do

1137
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 3: your your your you know, your launch, your own your venture.

1138
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: So it's it's just not commonly done in the TV

1139
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 3: space or whatever. But it's been fun. Hopefully we can

1140
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 3: kind of continue to materialize and get some momentum here

1141
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 3: with these announcements. Will be coming. We'll be coming soon,

1142
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: all

1143
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: Right, man, Thanks a lot, Doug, you got it, But

1144
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: thank you.