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Speaker 1: Warning you're about to enter the arena and join the

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Speaker 1: battle to save America with your host, Sean Parnell.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Battleground Podcast. Today we

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Speaker 2: have an incredible, incredible guest. Also timely. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 2: seen the success of the movie The Sound of Freedom,

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Speaker 2: which it beat Indiana Jones at the box office a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. Absolutely incredible movie that brings a

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Speaker 2: ton of attention to child traffic, child trafficking.

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Speaker 3: It amazes me, you know how this just misses people.

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Speaker 2: People either don't pay attention to it, they don't want

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Speaker 2: to pay attention to it, They turn a blind eye.

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Speaker 2: But today we've got a guy I've known for a

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Speaker 2: very very long time. Actually, his name is Jeff James.

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Speaker 2: Jeff is a Secret Service agent for over twenty years,

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Speaker 2: he protected US presidents and he was also the Secret

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Speaker 2: Service liaison for the National Center for Missing.

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Speaker 3: And Exploited Children.

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Speaker 2: And again, this is why I say this episode so timely.

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Speaker 2: So Jeff, welcome to the show man. I'm so grateful

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Speaker 2: to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Sean, and honored to be here.

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Speaker 2: So so we were talking in the virtual studio before

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Speaker 2: getting on that you were actually I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you were a gym teacher at Frankin Regional High School

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Speaker 2: and West We're both from western Pennsylvania, but you were

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Speaker 2: a teacher and we all called you coach James.

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Speaker 3: And I was in sixth grade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was actually teaching English and in the middle

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Speaker 1: school in high school and I was coaching football. So

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Speaker 1: so yeah, and yeah, the the way our paths crossed

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Speaker 1: and then didn't cross again until you know, you went

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Speaker 1: on to the Army and had your illustrious career, and

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Speaker 1: then you came to a speaking event for Claring alumni

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Speaker 1: and we re engaged there and that was, geez, that

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Speaker 1: was probably in twenty ten, maybe, yeah, it was, it

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just just so crazy, how small of a world,

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Speaker 2: you know, this crazy place that we live in now. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And I just feel like even back when I was

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Speaker 2: talking about, well, coach James, he wants to join the

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Speaker 2: Secret Service. And this is probably I mean, you didn't

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Speaker 2: join until ninety six, so sixth grade. I mean I

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Speaker 2: you give give me a sense of of why where

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Speaker 2: did this desire to join the US Secret Service come from?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So you know, I feel first that I have

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Speaker 1: You know, I've I taught high school for six years

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Speaker 1: there at Franklin, And you know, the opportunity came up

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Speaker 1: why don't you think about applying? And you know, initially

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Speaker 1: I'm not what they're looking for. But you know what

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Speaker 1: So at that time, you know, everything was still snail mail,

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Speaker 2: So well, tell me about that. Tell me first about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was just that, just an opportunity that

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Speaker 2: So, I mean it's clearly something that you know, when

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Speaker 2: Even if I'm working something that's that's fulfilling and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was. You know, I studied a lot about

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Speaker 1: Because I'll be honest with you, it's it's not something

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Speaker 2: So you passed the polygraph, You start doing doing sit ups,

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Speaker 2: Where tell me about the training? Where do you go?

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Speaker 2: all of the nightmare scenarios that could come your way.

434
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And and look, I think you know the reason

435
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Speaker 1: that bothers me the most isn't because of I'm not

436
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, I came from a better place. The

437
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: reason it bothers me the most is I want every

438
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Speaker 1: cop to go home.

439
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: At night exactly exactly right.

440
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Speaker 1: And you know if if and I tell them, you know,

441
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: I tell anybody who listens to me, you know, take

442
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: training personally because that guy just like you, right, that

443
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: guy wants to kill you, just like you experienced in

444
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Speaker 1: real life in Afghanistan. And if he's three feet away,

445
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: or if he's one hundred feet away, are you going

446
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: to be able to put accurate fire on him? Are

447
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: you going to move to cover? Are you going to

448
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: use concealment? You know? So you know, they get sick

449
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: of hearing me talk about it. We talk a lot

450
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: about mental reps and dry firing and all these things

451
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: we can do in kind of quiet moments that still

452
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Speaker 1: get your reflexive mind and your reflective mind to come

453
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Speaker 1: together to put you in a better place.

454
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Speaker 3: So I.

455
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Speaker 2: That is so spot on. I couldn't agree more. And

456
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Speaker 2: it's those little things, Jeff, if if left unattended in training,

457
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: can come can be very big things, problematic things in

458
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Speaker 2: a real life scenario. And so okay, so take me

459
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Speaker 2: back to I have a question about the currency.

460
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Speaker 3: Is the process?

461
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: Is it?

462
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: Is it known? Is it public?

463
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Speaker 2: Could somebody say, could a counterfeiter say, okay, well I

464
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Speaker 2: know where they make the paper, I know how it's cut,

465
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Speaker 2: I know how it's printed. Can't Can someone just do

466
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Speaker 2: the same thing? How would you tell the difference?

467
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: You could if you had enough money. So, making genuine

468
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: counterfeiting genuine currency so that it could pass is going

469
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Speaker 1: to be expensive. And one of the things we found

470
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: is state sponsored counterfeiting of these other countries trying to

471
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Speaker 1: infiltrate our economy with counterfeit currency because they know it'll

472
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Speaker 1: weaken the dollar. You know. Specifically, there was a note

473
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Speaker 1: that was coming out of North Korea that got dubbed

474
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Speaker 1: the supernote. It was so good, it was one hundred

475
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: counterfeit hundred dollars bill and but it's it's essentially state sponsored.

476
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Speaker 1: A state sponsored terror attack on our economy was what

477
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Speaker 1: it was.

478
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Speaker 3: For you, I've never heard this is never in the news.

479
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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it's crazy. How do how does North

480
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: Korea get something like that? How is it shipped here?

481
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: How do they how do they get that?

482
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: Get? Well? Those hundred all our bills here.

483
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can whatever comes over in courier

484
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Speaker 1: bags to to embassies and ah yeah, consulates. I'm sorry,

485
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of that word. Okay, isn't isn't isn't

486
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: searched like they bring it over and it just like

487
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: our stuff that goes overseas to our embassies and consulates,

488
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: you know, they do. Those countries do the courtesy of

489
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: not you know, going in our bags and stuff like that.

490
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Speaker 1: So that's that's probably how it gets over here. And

491
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: then it's given to you know, their operatives who are

492
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: here on the ground, and it's it's distributed. Look, it

493
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: never gets to the point where it's gonna they can't.

494
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Speaker 1: That's too small of a ding to truly damage our

495
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Speaker 1: our economy. But it is. It is state sponsored, a

496
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Speaker 1: state sponsored terror attack, just like I said, on our economy.

497
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Speaker 1: You know, it's wow. And and just to give you

498
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Speaker 1: some real numbers, and again these are a little bit stale,

499
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Speaker 1: but the last numbers I got were the three big

500
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Speaker 1: cities New York, Miami, and Los Angeles. Those three cities

501
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: taken about one hundred thousand dollars a week in in

502
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: counterfeit currency. So just those three cities alone account for

503
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars a year in counterfeit Western Pennsylvania. The

504
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: last statistic I got was that it was about seven

505
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week in counterfeit. So it's still a

506
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: substantial enough problem, like you would think in twenty twenty three,

507
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: who's still going to try to make fake money? But

508
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: it's still substantial enough that we need to. When I

509
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: say we, I mean that the Secret Service needs to

510
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: needs to chase it down, and they.

511
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Speaker 2: Do that once it's in circulation. Jeff, I mean, for

512
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: all I know, I don't, but I mean I could.

513
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: How would I know if somebody that's so good, how

514
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: do you hold people accountable for spending counterfeit money and

515
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: once it's in circulation that they might not know is

516
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: even counterfeit when they have it.

517
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would get that, and that's you just figure

518
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: that out through your investigation. So you know how say

519
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: a bad guy goes to Target with three fake twenties

520
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: excuse me, and they you know, they give it to

521
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: the cashier and then you come in with one hundred

522
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: dollars bill that's genuine, and they give you those three

523
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: twenties back. Then your next stop is I don't know,

524
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: a seven to eleven and they catch it. You know,

525
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: the local police are going to come. You know, they're

526
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: going to detain you. We're going to come and talk

527
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Speaker 1: to you. And look, it's going to be a miserable

528
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: four hours for you.

529
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Speaker 2: I mean that that would you imagine that would suck

530
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: so badly, that would be terrible.

531
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Speaker 1: While we figure it out. But you know, we're gonna

532
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: look at you know, because we track every note. Because

533
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Counterfeiters. While some of them are very good,

534
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: they're also lazy. Right, they're not changing a lot of

535
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: serial numbers. So we'll say, all right, this serial number

536
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: has been seen from the Carolina is up through New York,

537
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: and we look at your travel and we sorry, we

538
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: know Sean hasn't left western Pennsylvania in the last six months,

539
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: so we know you're probably not out there distributing kind

540
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: of fit currency. You know, you're gonna be out sixty bucks.

541
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Speaker 1: And like I said, it's going to be a miserable

542
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: twenty four hours while we help deal background a little bit.

543
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: But but yeah, that good people get stuck with bad

544
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: money once unfortunately, and I'll tell you I feel worse

545
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: for is you know, somebody goes in, like I said,

546
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Speaker 1: the Target. You know, Target's a big company. They're gonna

547
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna charge two cents more for shampoo and cereal

548
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But you got a mom and

549
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: pop store, you know, where they're trying to pay insurance,

550
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: rent employees. Uh, you know, they get defrauded a couple

551
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: times a month out of a couple hundred bucks and

552
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: that can that can be significant to a small business owner.

553
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: So that's where that's where I'm glad we were we

554
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: were aggressive about it was to really help the merchants

555
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: who were getting defrauded.

556
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Speaker 2: Well I'm I'm like so fascinated by this, and you're right.

557
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: That was My next question was about small businesses. You know,

558
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: some of the larger corporations can probably handle it, or

559
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: they have insurance to cover themselves or whatever.

560
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: You know, it's probably spent one hundred.

561
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: Million dollars a year on lawyers alone to help them

562
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: deal with stuff like this. But you know, there are

563
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: lots of small businesses and you know all over this country,

564
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: in fact, that's the backbone of our economy is the

565
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: American small business. And you know, you're right, a few

566
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: hundred bucks a month. This counterfeit that adds up very

567
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: very quickly to some of these people who especially if

568
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 2: you're just starting out in the first two or three

569
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: years of your small business, you're not you'ren't making a profit,

570
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: you're not in the black yet, So I mean, that

571
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: could be something that make or breaks you. And what's

572
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: crazy to me is that I never, and I mean

573
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: never hear about this stuff on the news. I don't

574
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: think I've ever heard of a counterfeit story, counterfeit money

575
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: story on any of the national media and any of

576
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: the blocks in the last fifteen years.

577
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just not paying attention.

578
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: But well, if you google it, you find it. Probably

579
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the last big story you'd see was and I'm guessing

580
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: maybe three or four years ago, the Secret Service actually

581
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: reopened its office in Peru because the influx of counterfeit

582
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: coming from Peru was starting to be significant, and they

583
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: had a pretty big seizure down there. I think they

584
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: seized twenty million dollars in counterfeit US currency. So that

585
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: was a big win, not just for the Secret Service,

586
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: but for you know, for the United States in all

587
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: and and we're fortunate too that the you know, the

588
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: government down there is cooperative and finding helping us find

589
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: these people, and they're you know, putting them in jail

590
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: where you get some parts of the world where you

591
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: know they they wouldn't let us touch one of their citizens,

592
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: and even if we knew who it was, they weren't

593
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: going to do anything to them. So wow, So at

594
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: least at least the Pruvians were cooperative with us.

595
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just something that most Americans aren't even

596
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you always hear somebody that might be carrying

597
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: a counterfeit twenty or something. But it makes sense when

598
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: you say it. You know that other state sponsored bad

599
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: actors would do something like this to attack our economy,

600
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: and it makes you wonder, you know, of course, there

601
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 2: were always under threat of cyber attack. Of course, our

602
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: elections are always under threat from foreign entity to try

603
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: to undermine us. It's like this country is under attack

604
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: from our enemies almost every single day, and most Americans

605
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: don't even realize it, Jeff.

606
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: They just go about their daily lives.

607
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 2: And I think that's a great thing because that's part

608
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: of what it means to live in a free country.

609
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: But there are people out there that like you, who

610
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: for twenty plus years stood on the parapet to guard

611
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: against some of these threats. What do you make of

612
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: all that? Having seen having seen the dark side, so

613
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: to speak? How do you can you relax now have

614
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: you've done twenty some years?

615
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the first thing I want to say is,

616
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, the service I put into our country pales

617
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: in comparison to the service that you put in. So

618
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: let's just establish that right now.

619
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Thank you, but thank you for saying that. But I

620
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: don't know, Jeff, there's something about secret service agents who

621
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: are willing to you have to be willing to lay

622
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: down your life or take a bullet for the people

623
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: that you're protecting.

624
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: That's a whole different thing. You know.

625
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I volunteered to serve after nine to eleven and

626
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: went and got blown up a bunch of times in Afghanistan.

627
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: But it's not like it's not like I wanted. It's

628
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: not like I wanted to get blown up. Like, if

629
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: you see a threat like you, you people are will

630
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: You're crazy. You're willing to jump in the in front

631
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: of a bullet to save somebody that you're protecting.

632
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: That's a level of dedication that just is is unbelieva

633
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: or rare.

634
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Our big thing was if our preparation and our advance

635
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: work and you know, using the assets that we had,

636
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: was if all that was done right, it would never

637
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: get to the point where we had to jump in

638
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: front of a gun. So you know, when I when

639
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: I would do a trip and I got off Air

640
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Force one with the President, I was confident that the

641
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: men and women who were on the ground already for

642
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: a week setting everything up, are having us walk into

643
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: the most secure environment could and and you know, it's

644
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: it's been a long time. You know, the last legitimate

645
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: attempt on the life of the president was you know,

646
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: when Ronald Reagan March Story of nineteen eighty one, when

647
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan. And you know, there's been scares,

648
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: and we've stepped in front of plots, and you know,

649
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: again I don't I don't know as much since I've left,

650
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Speaker 1: but you know, there were several significant plots during my

651
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: time that were that our intelligence partners CIA, NSA, FBI,

652
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, fed to us and we were able to

653
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Speaker 1: get in front of. But the biggest thing that I

654
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: always remember and I thought about every day was, you know,

655
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Speaker 1: we haven't had a landslide victory for president since Ronald

656
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: Reagan beat Mondale. And in fact, you know, we've had

657
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: a few where the person who lost the popular vote

658
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: became president. So you know, I made sure that I

659
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: was always cognizant of the fact that every time we

660
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Speaker 1: took the president and out of the White House, fifty

661
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: percent of the people who were putting eyes on him

662
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: didn't want him to be president. And and you know

663
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: when when I and it doesn't matter if they're holding

664
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Speaker 1: up a sign that says they think he's great, you

665
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: know that's that's easy to fake, right, So yes, and

666
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Speaker 1: I would, you know, anytime I got the chance to

667
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Speaker 1: be in a leadership role, I would. I would tell

668
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, we do our briefings before the shift, and

669
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I just say, hey, let's let's go. Let's start the

670
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: day assuming today is going to be the day we

671
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: get attacked, so when it happens, it doesn't surprise you, Like,

672
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: let's put ourselves in that mental place already. And you know,

673
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, I was blessed and fortunate

674
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Speaker 1: to do it, and uh, and it was just a

675
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: mission I love. The mission of protection was like the

676
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: investigations were okay, But I really I love the protection.

677
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad that's what the majority of my career was

678
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: was dedicated to. And and you know, even the time

679
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I spent at the National Center was you know, some

680
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: of the things I got to do there were unique

681
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: and they were great opportunities for me. And so you

682
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: say about, you know, looking at the dark side, you know,

683
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: that was one of the And I've been frank about

684
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: this in public before. I heard stories there of things

685
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: that happened to children that I will never repeat because

686
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: and I get a little bit emotional about this because

687
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: very frankly, I don't want it to live in anyone

688
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: else's head. Like I don't want my wife to know

689
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: about it. I don't want my kids know about it.

690
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't want you to know about it. And I

691
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: used to say to people, if you don't believe in

692
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: the death penalty, spend a week over there and see

693
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: what people do to kids, see what people do to

694
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Speaker 1: their own kids, and you will change your mind about

695
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: what kind of people should have the privilege of living

696
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: on this earth and what kind shouldn't. Because that mission

697
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you the people that work there and

698
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: the people that have worked there for decades, they're they're better,

699
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: better people than I am, because their ability to see

700
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: these things and withstand them. And very frankly, there were

701
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: some people that worked there. I remember one girl, she

702
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: was an analyst. She just called one day and said,

703
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm never coming back. And when my time Nick Nick

704
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: was done, her stuff was still sitting on a box

705
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: and a shelf because she never even came back to

706
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: get her stuff. It's it's tough stuff to see every day,

707
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: and it you know, so that you know, people hate

708
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: for all kinds of reasons, like people want to kill

709
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: the president, they want to kill candidates. That almost runs

710
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: off my back a little bit. But the time I spent,

711
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, seeing how people hurt her kids, that's that's

712
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: really you want to talk about a dark it's dark

713
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: stuff to see. That's that's it right there.

714
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Speaker 2: Well, let's let's talk about that and go and go

715
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: with a conversation takes us because I want to hear

716
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: about your time protecting the presidents as well, you know,

717
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: and get a sense of how you go from you know,

718
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: a new agent to a presidential detail. But let's stick

719
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Speaker 2: with this. In your time as liaison for the National

720
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Speaker 2: Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

721
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Speaker 3: That that would you say is nick Mick. The acronym

722
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Speaker 3: is nicknick.

723
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Speaker 2: Everything that you see with the Sound of Freedom today

724
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: and the movie with Jim Cavizo came out and it's

725
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: a mega mega is successful at the box office.

726
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: So a couple of things.

727
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Speaker 1: Uh.

728
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Speaker 2: First of all, I think people clearly recognize that that

729
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: child trafficking is a real problem, I think, which is

730
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Speaker 2: why you see the movie as successful as it is.

731
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: When you look at everything that's happening at the border.

732
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Speaker 2: Clearly our enemies are using an open southern border to

733
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: traffic children. And the more I read about how horrific

734
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: this stuff is the cartels, the cartels prefer it almost

735
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: because children can be resold. Whereas you know, you sell

736
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: cocaine or something, it's you sell it and it's gone.

737
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: Children can be resold over and over again, and it's horrifying,

738
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Speaker 2: you know. I read an article the other day saying

739
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Speaker 2: that at the height of slavery in this country, three

740
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty some thousand African Americans were brought to

741
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: this country. But the numbers are almost just as bad

742
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: today with children and adults being trafficked across the border.

743
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Although you're not seeing the auctions and the people in shackles,

744
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: it's all happening behind the curtain. It's just as bad, Jeff,

745
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: And I mean that it's it's just as bad, and

746
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's even worse because no one sees it.

747
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: It's offen people's radar.

748
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: And I I why I have so many questions for

749
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: you on this topic. But why does the media Why

750
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: does it seem like the media is working overdrive to

751
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: make it seem like this is just some sort of

752
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory.

753
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: So that so that part, that part I don't know,

754
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: but I will tell you. The reason you don't see

755
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: the auctions and people in shackles is because it's all

756
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: done online. Now you can go online and rent a

757
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: child for sexual exploitation. It is strikingly easy. Now you

758
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: do it enough times, eventually you're going to get caught. Right,

759
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: But that child is going to be abused hundreds and

760
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: hundreds of times in their lifetime. And then once they

761
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: reach a point where they age out and they're no

762
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Speaker 1: longer desirable to the perversions of a pedophile. Very frankly,

763
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Speaker 1: they're they're murdered, like they'll they'll either some of the

764
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: nice ones will send them on their way, but say go,

765
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Speaker 1: you know you're we're done with you now. And they're

766
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're damaged permanently mentally and physically. But you

767
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: know some of them, like these these pimps, will just

768
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: kill that kid and you know, go find another one.

769
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: And and look this is And if you don't think

770
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: it's real, this isn't hard to find out. If anybody

771
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: listening to you has their has their doubts. If you

772
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: google like underage sex thing, you'll find that in all

773
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: these big events that happen, whether it's a super Bowl,

774
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: All Star games, these these guys who are trafficking these

775
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: kids will gravitate to those large events. They'll put advertisements

776
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: online and they'll sell these kids. During like All Star

777
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: weekend like we have coming up for the for the

778
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: for Major League Baseball and the FBI, the Marshall's Secret Service,

779
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: I'll get together, they form these task forces and they

780
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: they go in and they arrest all these guys and

781
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: you'll see like forty kids will get rescued in a

782
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: weekend and fifteen of the pimps will be will be arrested.

783
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's striking and we were talking in

784
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: the studio prep earlier that you know, I found I

785
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: realized the date I said it wrong earlier. It was

786
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: May twenty first of twenty twenty two. Fourteen year old

787
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: girl was it a Denver or a Dallas Mavericks game

788
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: with her dad, and she excused herself to go to

789
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: the bathroom and she never came back. And here in

790
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: this arena for twenty thousand people, some guy grabbed her

791
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: by the arm and took her away, and she was

792
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: I think it was a couple weeks later. She was

793
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: finally rescued, but he was trafficking her like like took

794
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: her think of all the security at an NBA game,

795
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: Like took her out of this game. So look, if

796
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: you want to put your head in the sand, that's fine,

797
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you. You know, my kids are sixteen, fourteen,

798
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: and eleven, and we talk a lot not to scare them.

799
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: We talk about precautions. You know, I tell people all

800
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: the time, take twenty minutes at your dinner table once

801
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: a week and talk about whatever, what if we get

802
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: separated in target, what if we get what if the

803
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: house catches on fire? You know, these little touch points

804
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: that you're going to give your kids are going to

805
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: be life very frankly, could be life saving.

806
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: You know, we've got to tell us right now, because

807
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: first of all, I'm like you, I'm getting emotional about this,

808
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: And how the hell does something like this happen in

809
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: the most advanced nation in the world has ever known?

810
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: In the freest I mean it is. I watched a

811
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: podcast with a Navy Sir Sean Ryan Show. He had

812
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: some guy on there who is who's an ethical what

813
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: they call an ethical hacker, who would go after these

814
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: online websites that you talked about, hack into the too,

815
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: the background of them, and give law enforcement all of this,

816
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: all of this information people's address these pedophiles who pray

817
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: on these kids. And what struck me is, first of all,

818
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: how local law enforcement, God bless him, because their heroes.

819
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: They go to work every day, they don't know if

820
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: they're ever coming back, Jeff, and they're they're heroes in

821
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: our society and they protect us just like just like

822
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: you did it on the Secret Service.

823
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: But how how just unequipped.

824
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: They are to deal with stuff like this, and a

825
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: lot of it they say, oh, this stuff isn't admissible

826
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: because you hacked it, like what? But but like there

827
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: are he would tell story Sean this and this other

828
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: guy on his podcast to tell stories about how they

829
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: would know about these people would know about these pedophiles.

830
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: They're watching these pedophiles, but they don't have enough to

831
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: actually do a sting or go after him beause they

832
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: don't have a case built yet. So they're just watching

833
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: over and over again this pedophile doing terrible things to

834
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: kids so they can build a case. It's like, well,

835
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: what about the damn kid who's who's been targeted for

836
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: a year, and you know he's being targeted for a year.

837
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: It's almost like, and I'm saying this not you, but

838
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: it's almost to ever see that movie Untouchables.

839
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: It's almost like we need a unit.

840
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: Like that that that just operates behind the scenes with

841
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: no bureaucratic red tape and just goes after these assholes.

842
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Because I cannot believe that we allow this to happen

843
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: in America. I just cannot believe it.

844
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know the message I send to parents,

845
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not the perfect parent. I tell my

846
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: kids all the time. You know, I get I get

847
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff wrong. You know, Yeah, I tell

848
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: them I get it wrong, But don't ever question how

849
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: much I love you, like you know that that thing.

850
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: But so I will never judge you as a parent.

851
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: But here's how I there's one way I'm going to

852
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: judge you as a parent. If you don't know what

853
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: your kids are doing online, if you don't know where

854
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: they're going and who they're going with, I'm going to

855
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: judge you a little bit because guess what, that's how

856
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: the bad guys are going to get to your kid

857
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: through the gaming systems, through the online chat. You know

858
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna you know, if you like. Look, kids aren't

859
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: built to make good decisions, like fifteen year olds aren't

860
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: good to build twelve year olds. They're not built that way.

861
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: Their mind isn't ready yet. So they need our protection,

862
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: like these people that say, like I had one case

863
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: of a woman her daughter was trafficked for a very

864
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: short time and we were able to and when I

865
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: say we, I mean federal law enforcement, local LA enforcement.

866
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: We were able to get her recovered. And even after

867
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: she was recovered, I was having a conversation with the

868
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: mother about, hey, you know, make sure you're watching what

869
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: happens on her phone. Look at who's talking to her?

870
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: And she said, well, I don't want to invade her privacy.

871
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: That's her phone. And I'm like, are you are you

872
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: kidding me? Like, you know, the message I said to

873
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: my kids is, you know, you'll get You'll get your

874
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: privacy when you're when you're an adult out of the house.

875
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in my roof, you know we're

876
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna have talks and I'm going to protect you.

877
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: And it's you just really there's so many negative forces

878
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: trying to get to your kids. And look, you know,

879
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I grew up. I'm the youngest of seven kids. My

880
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: mother's two brothers lived right next door to each other,

881
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: not far from where I grew up, just about three

882
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: miles away. Between the two of them, they had twenty kids.

883
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't as close with my dad's side,

884
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: but you know, I had an aunt I was closer to,

885
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: and so I had all these people who were you know,

886
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: role models for me. Who were the coaches. You know,

887
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: I had great teachers and I was very for I

888
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: went to a high My high school wasn't great, but

889
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, I had I had some quality people there.

890
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: You know, we had involvement in sports and stuff like that.

891
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: So it was, you know, I guess the old saying

892
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: it takes a village, right, and and very frankly, it

893
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: was a lot of people who were praying for me

894
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: when I wasn't even smart enough to pray for myself.

895
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: You know.

896
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: And again, I something I get emotional about, but I

897
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: think that's something else that that's that's missing. You know,

898
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: my wife and I both work full time, but we

899
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: still have that that time for our kids. And you look,

900
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of super single parents, but

901
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: but it is so it's so tough to just keep track.

902
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: But that would be my one piece of advice is

903
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: if you know, you just got to know what your

904
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: kids are doing online. You got to know who they're with.

905
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: And I know it's hard for harder for single parents

906
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: when you're when you're just running that solo, but you know,

907
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: the you know, when when that unit, when that family

908
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: unit dissolves, those kids are going to look for affection

909
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: and from whoever's given it to them, our attention, whoever's

910
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: given it to them, And it's not always people who

911
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: have good intentions.

912
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: And it's so hard today, Jeff, because you know, I

913
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: feel like things are so different for kids today because

914
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: with the internet now, I mean you look back, I

915
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: mean the internet was like not even a thing when

916
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: I was. I mean maybe like towards the tail end

917
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: of my high school. It was in its infancy and stuff.

918
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: And like I remember going on to Napster and like

919
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: getting on the queue and downloading Metallica songs or something something,

920
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: you know, like way and it would take it would

921
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: take four days to download one gizar or something like.

922
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: It was like it was nothing back then, and cell

923
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: phones were just flip phones. Now we got these phones

924
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: that like they're like a computer, all the information in

925
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: the world right in the palm of your hands and

926
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: in it. You know, most parents, I think it's reasonable

927
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: to say, you know, I want my teenagers to have

928
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: a cell phone. If they're out in the event of emergencies,

929
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: they can call. But these kids, you know, bullying takes

930
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: on a whole different stint in today's day and age,

931
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: because it's like back in the day, someone wants to

932
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: someone wants to bully you. It happened to school. At

933
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: least you can, you know, you can get home and

934
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: you put it behind you for some time. Now you

935
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: can't because it's on your phone and you've got social media,

936
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: and these bullies are posting stuff on social media. But

937
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: by the same token, it's like they're Our kids are

938
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: constantly exposed to this stuff, and if they have a phone,

939
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: like there's always the possibility in the threat that that

940
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: that they're talking to something they might be a completely

941
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 2: innocent thing, you know, where you have a kid talking

942
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: to someone who they think is a kid, but it's

943
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: not a kid. You know, you just have to be

944
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: so vigilan, it seems. But it's like you talked about

945
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: the challenge of single parenting. It's challenged even if you're

946
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: even if you're married. It's just it's a constant thing.

947
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 2: And you were talking about we were how you still

948
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: walk your daughter to to the restroom even today, because

949
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: as a parent, you just always have to be on guard.

950
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: It seems.

951
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're you know, we went to went

952
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: to a pirate game, not to go ago, and you know,

953
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: it's it's worth, it's worth missing a couple outs to

954
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: make sure that you're one day, she's gonna be twenty

955
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna do it right. But now that

956
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: she's sixteen and my other one's eleven, My son is fourteen.

957
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, when they're in this phase, it's worth me

958
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: missing a couple outs to make sure I got eyes

959
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: on them going in and see them when they come out.

960
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: And especially, like like I said, that girl at the

961
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: Dallas Members game, her dad probably thought that was one

962
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: of the most secure places he could take her. You know,

963
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: you come in through metal detectors and there's people in

964
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: yellow jackets all over the place, and there's police, and

965
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: she got taken from that place.

966
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: And it's how did it happen? Jeff? Can you give

967
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: me a cent? Like what?

968
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't know the ins and outs of it, and

969
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a Monday morning quarterback. But

970
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: when these kids, so, when he grabs her by the arm,

971
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: can't she scream? Can't she say something? I mean, how

972
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: do you how do these traffickers do it?

973
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's just so it's the intimidation, right. The

974
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: guy comes up and grabs her by the arm and says,

975
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 1: you know, if you say a word, you know, I'll

976
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: shoot you right now, or I'll kill you or whatever,

977
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, And you know that part of what he said,

978
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but she was. She was missing for

979
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: ten days and she was eventually recovered in Oklahoma City.

980
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: So that's how far she was trafficked, not just the

981
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: number of times she was trafficked, but the distance they

982
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: took her from home. So but but that's how we

983
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: that's you know, I tell my parents, my kids, like

984
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: we I think your listeners are gonna think I'm some

985
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of nutsjob.

986
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't think that at all. I

987
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: don't think that at all.

988
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: Man, I don't think I think my listeners and they

989
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: need to They need to hear this.

990
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: They need to hear these stories.

991
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: We have drills about different stuff, like the answer if

992
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: somebody tells you grabs you by the arm and says,

993
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: don't make a sound, the answer is to screen. Like

994
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: in my kids to this day, when they walk away

995
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: from me, they're like, hey, I'm gonna run over here

996
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: and do this. I'm like, all right, what's the plan?

997
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: And they're like scream and I'm like, yeah, you know,

998
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: if someone's in our home, Like the plan if someone

999
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: gets in our home is they lay flat on the floor,

1000
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: flat on the bed and they scream and I'm like

1001
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: why and they're like because when dad comes in the room.

1002
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: Anybody who's standing up is going to get shot. And

1003
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's just tell us.

1004
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: I want to hear all of every all of these lessons, Yeah,

1005
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: because I mean I want to hear them. I mean

1006
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 2: because this is this is so so important, it's so.

1007
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Important, you know, I can I can show you one hundred.

1008
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: I won't to say hundreds, that's a husge exaggeration. I

1009
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: can show you dozens of YouTube videos of kids who

1010
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: get abducted, who somebody comes up and grabs their hand

1011
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: and they quietly walk away with a child. But I

1012
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: can also show you as many that when that child

1013
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: starts kicking and screaming, that pervert drops them and runs.

1014
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Like bad guys don't want they want the path of

1015
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: least resistance and everything right. So it's like when people say, oh,

1016
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: my car was broken into, No, you left your door unlocked,

1017
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: like because bad guys are just trying doors like, they're

1018
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: not smashing out windows. So when that child starts to fight,

1019
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: and this is for adults too, right, because because the

1020
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: statistics are odd like oddly the same that someone who's

1021
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: abducted by a stranger, like a true stranger production not

1022
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: a not a non consent non custodial parent, but like

1023
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: a true stranger abduction, it's pretty much the same in

1024
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: adults and kids that seventy two percent of them are

1025
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: dead within three hours.

1026
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 3: So you know, I tell people like, wait, why is that? Why? Well, because.

1027
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: Yes, because the it's like a fix, right, the PERV

1028
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: grabs the kid, they go, they do what they got

1029
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: to do to get that energy out of them, and

1030
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: now they have this kid, right, and they're like and

1031
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: it's like a guy who kidnaps a woman to rape

1032
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: the woman he rapes her. Now he's like, well, what

1033
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: am I going to do now? And they have they

1034
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: kill her. So so it's so you know, those those

1035
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: first moments and my kids, you know, we talk a

1036
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: little bit about self defense, and it's it's getting better

1037
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: now that they're getting bigger, you know, and they have

1038
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: a little more strength and can do stuff. But you know,

1039
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: the big thing is you got to make noise, you

1040
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: got to be loud, you got to fight, because that's

1041
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: not what the bad guys want. You got to draw

1042
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: attention to it because if not only am I going

1043
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: to hear it, but even if I'm at the other

1044
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: side of the store at that point, there's gonna be

1045
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: probably someone like you there who's going to come up

1046
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: to this dude and say, oh, dude, like what are

1047
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: you doing. And even if he starts to like, oh,

1048
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: this is my daughter, she's just throwing a tantrum, by

1049
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: that time, I'm going to be there and I'm going

1050
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: to say the hell she is? And and you know

1051
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: it's but but getting attention is the big thing. You know,

1052
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: fighting even if the fighting isn't effective, like a five

1053
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: year old isn't going to overpower a man, but that

1054
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: kicking and screaming that, you know, making themselves heavy, all that,

1055
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: you know that that's all important. And when you look

1056
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: at all those videos of when kids essentially say their

1057
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: own lives, that's what they do. They fight, They make noise,

1058
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: they kick, they stream, they yell, and it gets attention

1059
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: a and it lets that bad guy know this isn't

1060
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: going to be the easy pickings you thought it was

1061
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: going to be. And they're going to they're going to

1062
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: get out of there.

1063
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: When you say make yourself heavy, you're talking about a

1064
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: kid just like it's like I can make a joke

1065
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 2: a very serious scenario, but trying to get a kicking

1066
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: and screaming kid out.

1067
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: Of a car seat or in a car seat. You know,

1068
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: just fight like that, like, just make it hard for

1069
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: them to carry you.

1070
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can still you can make yourself heavy

1071
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and fight at the same time. You know, it's not

1072
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: it's just about you know, when someone wants to be carried,

1073
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: it's easy, but when someone doesn't, it's you know, you

1074
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: know how different. You know, like you said, that three

1075
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 1: year old that wants to weigh one hundred pounds, they're

1076
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: weigh one hundred pounds, but those are and like I said,

1077
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: these are the things that will take you know, twenty

1078
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: minutes every week and talk about you know, like we

1079
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: have the fire plan in our house that you know,

1080
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: we all meet. The mailboxes for our neighborhood are just

1081
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: coincidentally straight across the street from our house. So you know,

1082
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: no matter how you go out, we meet at the

1083
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: at the mail box. So like two of us aren't

1084
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: out back and three of us out front, and now

1085
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: I think there's you guys are still in there. So

1086
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm running back in a burning house looking for you.

1087
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: You know, we all meet at the same place, and

1088
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: you know we're all out. The house can burn, we

1089
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: can replace everything. So the important thing is getting out

1090
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: and making sure everybody's accounted for. You know, situations like

1091
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: you get separated in target. You know, our plan is, uh,

1092
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 1: they're going to look for somebody with a name tag,

1093
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: preferably a female. Just I know that sounds biased in

1094
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but the number of female offenders

1095
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: is incredibly small compared to male offenders. So they're going

1096
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: to look for someone with a name tag and say, hey,

1097
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: I can't find my dad or I can't find my mom,

1098
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: or they're just going to make their way to the

1099
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: customer service desk and tell them. And my thing is,

1100
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: if I can't find you for a couple of minutes,

1101
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to make my way to the front of

1102
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: the store by the registers and the customer service desk,

1103
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: and hopefully we're going to meet up there. But if

1104
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: you don't tell your kid that little bit, they're just

1105
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: going to wander around that store forever looking for you.

1106
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: And you guys can be doing this the whole time

1107
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: and missing each other. Instead of saying, all right, when

1108
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: you get that tingle in the back of your head,

1109
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: we've been separated too long, go to the front of store,

1110
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: to the service desk, and well that's where you're gonna meet.

1111
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: It can happen in a second too. If you've got

1112
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: little kids.

1113
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: It's like, imagine you're at a crowded soccer field or something,

1114
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: and you know, you think that you got kids playing

1115
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: in multiple fields, right, and you know, one game ends

1116
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: the other one in shortly after that, you got you know,

1117
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: parents walking this way and that, like super crowded. Like

1118
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: maybe maybe your kid thinks, yeah, maybe you think your

1119
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: kids going to the car, Maybe they're maybe they're going

1120
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: to the concession stand. All of a sudden you lose

1121
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: them and then you panic, and it's like, what what

1122
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: do you do in that situation if you're a kid,

1123
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: you know.

1124
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing I would do is whenever we

1125
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: went somewhere big, like you know our local amusement park.

1126
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: Here is Kennywood, right, Yes, but even if it was

1127
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: Disney or a concert, I would take a picture of them.

1128
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: So something would happen. They would disappear. What are the

1129
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: police going to naturally ask is what was he wearing?

1130
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: I could say this, and I show them the picture.

1131
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: I could even send them the picture and they could

1132
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: send it out to everybody who's looking for my child now,

1133
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: So not that a back. I couldn't throw new clothes

1134
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: on them, but that's a pretty you know, that's a

1135
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: bigger stretch. So now they have a picture of my

1136
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: son exactly what they looked like the last time I

1137
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: saw them, or my daughter.

1138
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: Wow, just that two second great idea. It's a great idea.

1139
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: So what do you tell your kid?

1140
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it was going to ask you about the

1141
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: separation thing, but what do you tell your kids about?

1142
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: You know, because we talk about phones and or just

1143
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 2: electronics or video games are another thing where they've got

1144
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: these open source chats where kids are playing all these

1145
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: video games and they're talking to people who are strangers

1146
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: because they're like on a team together or something. But

1147
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: really the person they're talking to might not be a

1148
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: twelve year old kid.

1149
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 3: It might be a.

1150
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 2: Thirty year old guy pretending to be a twelve year

1151
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: old kid and trying to build a relationship with with them.

1152
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: I mean, how what do you tell your kids about

1153
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: engagements like that? Or do you have any rules or

1154
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: parameters set?

1155
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, or thing like yeah? And it ticks them off,

1156
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: But they don't friend. They're not allowed to friend anybody.

1157
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: They don't actually know, and you know what, that's probably

1158
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: a good practice for adults, Like, you know, I'll get

1159
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: frame requests, and I feel like I sound like a

1160
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: joke when I say it's I'll get a frame requests

1161
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: from people who went to the same high school as me,

1162
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: but I didn't really know them, and it's and and

1163
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: I just it's a leap for me to make that connection.

1164
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: So I sometimes, I I should say sometimes usually I will.

1165
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: I will always ignore it if I don't actually know them.

1166
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: But that's that's the big thing. And my kids will

1167
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: tell me about, oh, they're they're so and so's friend

1168
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: from and you mentioned soccer, like a soccer team, and

1169
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, no you're not. You're not doing that

1170
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: because there are a significant amount of cases and again

1171
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: it's something you could google where it is the the

1172
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: forty five year old guy pretending to be a fourteen

1173
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: year old girl and I had when I was at Nickmick.

1174
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, there were dozens of cases like that where

1175
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: it was just you know, someone pretending to be someone else,

1176
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: gained the child's trust, got them to meet somewhere. In fact,

1177
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: we had one case where it was two guys each

1178
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: pretending to be a fourteen year old girl. When they

1179
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: met up, we arrested both of them. So you know,

1180
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: they arranged this meeting and we just arrested both. So

1181
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: it happens quite a bit, you know. And you see

1182
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: the things like to catch a predator and stuff like that,

1183
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I know that's set up in conjunction

1184
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: with law enforcement in the places to do it, but

1185
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's just how it happens. Like they start

1186
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: chatting with this person and and I'll tell you one

1187
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: story that happened out of Tyler, Texas. A buddy of

1188
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: mine down there at the time named Todd Hiles was

1189
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: part of this task force. So the Internet service providers

1190
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: have gotten very good about, you know, as much as

1191
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: they can knocking down these these illicit these illicit posts.

1192
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: So they had an undercover who put an add up

1193
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: that said something the effect of fourteen year old boy

1194
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: looking to meet adult men for sex. They put it

1195
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: on Craigslist and said meet me at the McDonald's on

1196
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't know I thirty five or whatever. So it

1197
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: was up for about ninety seconds and Craigslist immediately took

1198
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: it down when they realized what it was. So they

1199
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: set up to see who would come show up there

1200
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: to try to meet with this with this fourteen year

1201
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: old boy. And Sean, I kid you not. He told

1202
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: me they were coming in at such a rate of

1203
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: regularity that their initial plan was to arrest them right

1204
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: there in the restaurant, take them out front, you know,

1205
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: put them in the cars. Go. They said, the guys

1206
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: were coming in the front so fast that they were

1207
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: ended up taking them out the back, so the guys

1208
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: coming in front wouldn't see what it was and run off.

1209
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 3: You've got to be kidding me. How would add up

1210
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,479
Speaker 3: seconds one guy showed up and all these people saw

1211
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 3: that in that time.

1212
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and look this compulsion that these bad guys have.

1213
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: They can't they can't help themselves. Like how many times

1214
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: do you see on that to catch a predator where

1215
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: they say, oh, I knew it was a scane. I

1216
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: knew it was a sting. I just couldn't help myself.

1217
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: It really is like and I talked to psychologists and

1218
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: psychiatrists who say, we wish there was a pill that

1219
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: we could give them, like we can give to cure

1220
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But but but this compulsion, like they can't,

1221
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: they can't resist themselves. One guy at that sting in

1222
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: Tyler showed up in a refrigerated truck with like five

1223
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: tons of ice cream. So they even called the They

1224
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: called the company and said, hey, you might want to

1225
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: come get your stuff before, like we're we're seizing the

1226
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: we're seizing the truck and we're arresting him, but the

1227
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: trailer still sitting here, if you want to come get

1228
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: your product. Yeah, it's uh.

1229
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 3: And these are all these are all men, all sickohs

1230
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: doing this stuff.

1231
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the large majority. There's there's there are there

1232
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: are female offenders, but they're they're reasonably rare that that happens.

1233
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: You'll see it more times in conjunction with acting with

1234
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: a male, in concert with a male to lower kids,

1235
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: but the pure female offender is rare.

1236
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, why I mean, what what I mean? It sounds

1237
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: like a drug addiction.

1238
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very close to that. Yeah, that's like

1239
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: I said, they can't they can't help themselves even even

1240
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: when they know like that. Like we talked about risk earlier, right,

1241
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: the risk of me coming back from secret service, washing

1242
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: out of secret service training, coming back to find a

1243
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: new job was a little bit calculated, but would have

1244
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: been worth it and and ended up being worth it.

1245
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: Worth the risk. These guys are willing, willing to risk

1246
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: their liberty, their lives, their marriages, their you know everything,

1247
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: they got to very frankly have sex with a child.

1248
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: I mean an add up on Craigslist, of all places.

1249
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 3: It's not like I mean, it's Craigslist, you know, it's

1250
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: not like a site.

1251
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: That's it's not the dark Web.

1252
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, that's right. It's not the Dark Web.

1253
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: It's Craigslist. So like it was up for ninety seconds,

1254
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: and you had so many people that you didn't even know.

1255
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: That's scary as hell. Yeah, it's scary as well. No,

1256
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean, and again, and so you said, you said,

1257
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: my audience would think that you're crazy talking about all

1258
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: this stuff with your kids based on these stats.

1259
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 3: How could you not talk about this stuff with your kids? Right?

1260
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: And and thank you for saying that, because it makes

1261
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: me feel a little less crazy.

1262
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, the thing, I can't believe this.

1263
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: I talked to groups of parents and I tell them, like,

1264
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: this is how easy it is. So if your child

1265
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: has their their their gaming name and they have their

1266
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: picture as there, and I tell people all the time,

1267
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: don't make your avatar your picture put up. You know,

1268
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: mine's Captain America.

1269
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 3: Right. So, so.

1270
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: If I find a child whose avatar is their picture,

1271
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: I already know what they look like, and I'll get

1272
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: in the chat room with them and I'll just say, oh, hey,

1273
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: you look like one of my cousin's friends. You know,

1274
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: he goes to Franklin Regional. Where do you go to school?

1275
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: And you, very innocent kids, very innocently answer maybe I

1276
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: go to Mars. That's where my kids are. Oh yeah,

1277
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: Oh I have another cousin who lives in Mars. His development.

1278
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: He lives in you know, Shady Trees Estates. Where do

1279
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: you live?

1280
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: Oh?

1281
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: I live in you know, Smithfield Estates. So now with

1282
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: two questions, I already have the picture. With two questions,

1283
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: I know what school district your kid goes to and

1284
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: what neighborhood you're in. Now, the bad guys do surveillance

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Speaker 1: just like we do. Right, So, all it would take,

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Speaker 1: especially for a small school district like Mars, who really

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Speaker 1: only has I think seventeen buses that pick kids up,

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Speaker 1: it would take me probably two days of sitting in

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Speaker 1: that neighborhood that's Smithwood Estates or whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: call it two. Do a little surveillance, see that kid

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Speaker 1: get off the bus, and watch which house he goes to.

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Speaker 1: And as I continue that grooming process, right and now

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Speaker 1: I say, all right, you know, maybe we can meet

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Speaker 1: up sometime. I already know where he lives. So that's

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Speaker 1: how easy it is. It was. It was too easy

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Speaker 1: questions to find out you know, where the kid lived,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and eventually, once I build that rapport,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get their real name. Right, you're you know,

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Speaker 1: your avatar might say, you know, Captain America. But eventually,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to get the real name out

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Speaker 1: of the kid too. And that's that's just how easy

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Speaker 1: it is. Two or three simple questions that these kids

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01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: very innocently divulged to someone who they think is a

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Speaker 1: friend online. That's why I tell my kids about if

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Speaker 1: you don't know that person, you're not you're not getting

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Speaker 1: on there and chatting with them.

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Speaker 2: Where, Jeff, where do these predators buy and large strike

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Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, Where do these interactions

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Speaker 2: with these kids actually happen?

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Speaker 3: Where?

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Speaker 2: I mean, can you give me a sense of how

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Speaker 2: they actually make contact me? Obviously beyond the Craigslist. Stuffy said,

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Speaker 2: so someone surveilling a school and they're watching a kid

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Speaker 2: and you talk about the grooming process, like talk can

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Speaker 2: you talk about like what that looks like for people

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Speaker 2: where these predators strike and if there are warning signs?

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Speaker 3: What what are they? If you're a parent looking at

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Speaker 3: this stuff.

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Speaker 1: So their initial interaction is going to be through places

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Speaker 1: like discord gaming sites, you know, chat rooms and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. That's the initial And I had a guy

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Speaker 1: tell me I worked a case where he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll get on these game gaming platforms and I'll send

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Speaker 1: out hundreds of messages to kids tonight, hoping I get

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Speaker 1: one or two reactions. And you know, the next step is,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you propose the meetup, right, you say,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, you know, I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: in your area next week. You know, how about we

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01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: meet face to face and the things to look for,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and and that's I know I'm simplifying it,

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: but that is really how simple it is. That's how

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Speaker 1: fast it happens. And that's what comes back to knowing

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Speaker 1: what your kids are doing online and knowing who they're

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01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: hanging out with and the things to look for you know,

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01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: if if you know, if you're if your child starts

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: to be more distant, if they're breaking curfew of course,

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01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: things like that, if they're turning off the location on

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 1: their phone and you're not able to say, like, hey,

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01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: you know why why it's turning if they don't have

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Speaker 1: a good reason why they're doing that, and if it's

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01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: happening consistently, and then the other part, so that might

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: indicate they're they're doing something was they're going somewhere where

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Speaker 1: you don't want them to go. But the indicators that

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01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: they're being trafficked are things like you know, they're going

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: to become more withdrawn the girls, young girls will start

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01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: to wear like more makeup and dress more provocatively. And

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Speaker 1: this is something else that like school SROs are trained

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: to look for. Right if that girl all of a

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01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: sudden is coming to school tarted up for lack of

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: a better reason, you know, that's something that they're going

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01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. So this has gotten you know,

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Speaker 1: more attention from the schools and and you know, people

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: who are going to recognize that. There's even training now

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: for police, like when you pull a car over and

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01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,879
Speaker 1: there's a miner in the car, what kind of questions

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: you should ask the minor, you know, that kind of thing. So,

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: so that's gotten better.

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Speaker 2: You talked, you talked about single parents, Jeff, I mean,

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: what about you know, single parents who work, you know,

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: and schools out for the summer and kids are home

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: in the summer, and and what do you what do

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: you do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, and maybe.

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Speaker 2: Kids are old enough that they don't need a babysitter,

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 2: or maybe they have a babysitter, but the babysitter is

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: not aware. First of all, it's like as great as

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01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 2: a babysitter is there can be, and it's still not

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01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: their own children. So maybe they don't know to look

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01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: for some of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 2: What what are single parents do in those scenarios when

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Speaker 2: they're at work all day and their kids are at home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's so tough. You know, you have to

1374
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: look for those signs that you know, again if they're

1375
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:33,919
Speaker 1: if they're being exploited, you know, those signs of withdraw

1376
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: you know, and you're looking for you know, they're they're

1377
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: pulling away there, you know, they just the idea of sadness.

1378
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: If they're answering calls in the middle of the night.

1379
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: If they're trying to leave at odd hours, you know,

1380
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: all that is going to be like someone's calling them

1381
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, you got to be here, so it

1382
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, those are all those are all indications. But yeah,

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: it's tough. I mean, like you know, I I'm I

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: see my kids less than a day than I don't

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: see them, right, So I get home from work at

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01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: four o'clock and you know, they go to I go

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01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: to bed at ten. That's six hours of the day.

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Speaker 1: So I have this six hour window where I see them,

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: but there's more hours in the day that I don't

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01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: see them, you know, same with my wife. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you said, a single parent'sy it's even tougher. And

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Speaker 1: then you're you're trusting, like you said, you're trusting that

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01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: person who isn't emotionally invested with your child the way

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01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: you are right to do the right thing. But it's yeah,

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01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: it's tough, you know. But but the big things, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I think the things we had growing up were

1397
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, open dialogues. You know, don't be afraid to

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: have tough conversations with your kids. You know they'll roll

1399
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: their eyes a lot, but you know, you know, make

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01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: sure they know that that they can come to you

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01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: and make sure you have plans and you know, stuff

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: like that. It's that that communication pieces is going to

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: be big because, like I said at the very beginning,

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: if they're not getting the attention and from us, they're

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01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: going to find it somewhere else. You know, And we've

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01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: all seen these stories and we all know the stories.

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Speaker 3: That like that.

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Speaker 2: So well, Jeff, if somebody you know, if let's say

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Speaker 2: the worst happens and we see some of these stories

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01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: where kids go missing and you said seventy two hours,

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01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: how often did you find a kid after they went missing?

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Speaker 1: Well, there's this there's been more of a phenomenon lately

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01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: of what's called long term missing recoveries. Someone like you know,

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01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: goes back to like Elizabeth Smart where she was gone

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: for what nine months? I believe. Yeah, Wow, we're actually

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: seeing some of these kids who were gone the three

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01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: girls in Cleveland who were gone ten twelve years respectively.

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Speaker 1: You know, this has kind of become a phenomenon that's happening.

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01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: But for the large majority of kids who are who

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Speaker 1: are in a true stranger abduction, time is of the essence.

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01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, Like, you know, don't

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01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: don't waste an hour looking for your kid. If you

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: can't find them, call the police. Get get boots on

1424
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: the ground, moving and mobilized to look for your child.

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01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: And people say like, oh, you know, I didn't want

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: to bother the police. Hey, you know what, that's that's

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01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: why we're here bother us like this this is our

1428
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: like your child will become our mission. So you get

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: get people moving and you know, if if an amber

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01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: alert is is justified. You know, you really can't have

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: an amber alert unless you have a description of a car.

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: But if that's something that you have, if a witness says, yees,

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01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: so I'm getting that silver Corolla and take off, you know,

1434
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: get that, get that put out. The Amber alert system

1435
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: is wow, just so many kids saved because of an

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01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: Amber alert. But it's that's the big thing is is

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01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, a quick response, timeliness in that response. But

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Speaker 1: I would also tell parents never to give up hope.

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: You know, if the worst thing happens and your child disappears.

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: We're seeing again this this pattern of kids being recovered

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01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: years later, and it's it's the closest thing to a

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: miracle you ever see.

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Speaker 3: Frankly, Jeff, I don't.

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been talking to you in that for

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Speaker 2: an hour and fifteen minutes, and I mean I would

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: love to. I mean so much I want to talk

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01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 2: to you about, but I don't want to keep you

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: for too long. I mean, maybe you can just come

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01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: back for a part two? Would that be okay? I'd

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Speaker 2: love to, yeah, I mean, because there's so much. I mean,

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01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: I want to talk about your time protecting presidents, I

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: want to talk about what you're up to now, and

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Speaker 2: I just I just feel like an hour and fifteen

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Speaker 2: minutes is on one subject.

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Speaker 3: Man. I want to be respectful of your time, you know.

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01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be glad to come back, all right, everybody

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: Jeff James talking to him for seventy five minutes on

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Speaker 2: the horrors of child sex trafficking and what parents can

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Speaker 2: do to p heck their families and protect their children.

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Speaker 2: Pragmatic things, ladies and gentlemen, and so as always, if

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Speaker 2: Never Surrender. God bless you all, and God bless this

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Speaker 2: amazing country that we live in. Jeff, thanks for being

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Speaker 3: Man