1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what you really miss podcasts. Hello Kevin, 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Hello Jenna. I had so much fun talking last week 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: about auditions and airing our vulnerable dirty laundry, about how 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: hard enough to get a job and what it goes, 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: what goes into it. But it really is true. But 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: I think there's something really interesting about how people survive 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: once they get the job. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 2: Yes, I think what I would love to do is 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: sort of break down the financial part of this. Yeah, 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: so if you listened to the episode before, well, if 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: you haven't, go back and listen to that first. But 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: here's the thing. So if we talk, let's take TV 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: like we were talking about mostly Yeah, sure. Yeah, when 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: you go to tests, like we said, you negotiate your contract. Yeah, 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: And I think, like with any job, you're talking about 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: what you're going to be making. And so for a 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: TV show, your agents and managers are negotiating with the 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: studio and network. 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: For a series regular role first, which is a regular 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: role when you are guaranteed within that contract that you 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: are negotiating a certain amount of episodes that you are 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: guaranteed to get paid forward, whether you are in them 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: or not. So as an example, so we can kind 26 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: of put this to you know, if people can understand it. 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: For Glee, when we were negotiating the contract, there were 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: twenty two episodes in a season back then. Right now 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: it's like eight eight, but twenty two episodes in a season. 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Most of us were what do they call it, Kevin, 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: all episodes produced, all episodes produced? What were we do 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: you remember where we all eisodes produced? Or were we 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: like twenty out of yes, we were. 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: All episodes great. 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: A lot of times people like think about like a 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Jama right who came in as a series regor. I 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: think she was not all episodes produced. I think she 38 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: was like you say, I don't know. This is make up, 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: make believe, you guys, make believe, but like ten out 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: of twenty two that she is guaranteed she will get 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: paid for ten episodes. She knows her minimum amount that 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: she's making. If she goes over that and they write 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: her into other episodes, she gets paid for them. Great, 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: but the same she yes, but she's not guaranteed anything 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: more than ten episodes of a season, so she can 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 1: then go okay, I know I'm making this this year, 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: you know, and plan for that. 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: And the other things you negotiate are like the length 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: of contract. So I think when we signed the Glee 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: contractors for six years, right, six seasons or seven seasons, 51 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: it was something again you don't have to it won't. 52 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: It's not saying it's going to go that long. You 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: hope it does. And then some extracurriculars for us was 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: recording contract you had to be free of any recording contract, 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: which I was not. And touring, yes. 56 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: Touring was also in our contract, yes. 57 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: And so those are things that your lawyers, agents, managers 58 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: all work out and negotiate going into it. And especially 59 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: when if you have a show like Glee that was 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: such an ensemble with a bunch of people who nobody 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: had heard of before, you're not necessarily starting off at 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: a very high rate. But like for people like us 63 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: who are all brokesh, yeah, it's a lot. It's still 64 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: the most money we all had ever made, for sure 65 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: at the time, for sure. 66 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: I think. I think also just to clarify for people 67 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: that like a series regular job like we explained, where 68 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: you get guaranteed a certain amount of amount of episodes 69 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: that you are going to be in or get paid for. 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: Really there's that is what people want in order to 71 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: maintain stability in this career. For when you see like 72 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: a Law and Order SVU and you see like Rushka 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Hardigay and Chris Maloney like they were the series regulars, 74 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: and then maybe a few of the other people, all 75 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: of the you know, special guests and guest stars that 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: were in the episodes like the Week if you will 77 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: totally right, all these celebrities you started out there or 78 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: came in and did roles, those are like special guests, 79 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: and those are one offs. They have no contract with 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: the show except for that episode, and there's no real 81 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: pay like I think that for example, going back to Glee, 82 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: I think Max Adler was not anything and he was 83 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: getting paid as like a guest star or a recurr. 84 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: And there's no contract or real contract there, right, so 85 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: he can go off and do other things and he's 86 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: not getting guaranteed that he's getting paid for any certain 87 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: amount of episodes. He's just there. So it's very unstable. 88 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: While it's a job and you're grateful for it and 89 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: you're working like there's no stability there, you're still constantly 90 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: pounding the pavement to find out where your next paycheck is. 91 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: So it's a good point you bring up, because you 92 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: when you are locked into a show, Yeah, that you are, 93 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: that's your first they're in first position for that show. 94 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: That means anything, any job that you make, get outside 95 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: of it, or offer, whatever it may be, has to 96 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: be run by. 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: That discription of the Yeah, exactly, and. 98 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: They get to decide whether or not you get to do. 99 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: It aka Ryan Murphy. 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: Yeah for us, I mean because they're hiring you, they're 101 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: paying you this amount of money. You're going to be 102 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: there for twenty two episodes. Yeah, they don't. You can't 103 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: go do other things because this is the job you've 104 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: been hired for. 105 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: You're under a contract, right, Yes, like a normal drop 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: right if you get a if you're on a salary 107 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: at a full time gig. 108 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: So and the other thing to think about that too, 109 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: And I guess this is just easiest to talk about 110 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: it in Glee terms. We shot in La. I lived 111 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: in La from La, so no problem. Nothing needed to 112 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: be considered in terms of travel for me or housing Jenna. 113 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: You did not What was that? Was that an additional 114 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: thing negotiated into your contract? 115 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: No, there's a sag rule when you are in a 116 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: union doing a union project that there is a relocation 117 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: fee if you are a series right together moving for 118 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: a job for a significant amount of time. So during 119 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: the pilot they put us up. They paid for all 120 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: of my housing and everything and my rental car. Once 121 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: the show got picked up, I was given a certain 122 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: amount of money and I don't think it was a lot, 123 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: but they gave me a certain amount of money to 124 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: move across the country to get things in place, to 125 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: get you started, get me started. But when you have 126 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: so little in your bank account and they don't give 127 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: that to you right away, it's on you to move. 128 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: Without it used ever to get paid, well, you do. 129 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: The way to the episode was being. 130 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: You filmed it right, you completed it. It's still it's 131 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: just it takes a long time to get paid, you know. 132 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: It's like anything. And I remember and Kevin, we all 133 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: had this experience where all of us were so you know, 134 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: our bank accounts were so low or in the red 135 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: at that point that we all came together and kind 136 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: of like I think a revealed to each other. We 137 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: were like, oh my gosh, when are we going to 138 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: get paid? And I think we all asked them together 139 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: if we could get our first our pilot check early 140 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: because half of us moved across the country or from 141 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, Chris moved. 142 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: It was a it was episode it was episode two. 143 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: So we shot the pilot and when you had all 144 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: moved to La no, we had gotten the pilot script. 145 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: So many of us were I mean the pilot money, 146 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: but so many of us, like were in debt or 147 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: you spent your money moving whatever it may be, because 148 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: this was what four months after Yeah, so that money 149 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: was gone, right, so we were asking for an advance 150 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: on our first episode. 151 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, thank you for that, Thank you for yah. 152 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: And they did it, which was really nice of them 153 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: to do. 154 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't have to do that. 155 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: No, they did do that. 156 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: But so yeah, so the series that is. And so 157 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, going into your year, if you booked that role, 158 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: that was negotiated pre test, so then you know when 159 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: you booked that role, when they call you and say 160 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: you got the job, you know how much you're getting 161 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: paid at least for that first round of you know seasons. 162 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, would you for us? Like nowadays, 163 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: things are automatically picked up for a full season, so 164 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: you know, going into it, I'm doing eight episodes or 165 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: ten episodes, so I know, this is how much money 166 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to be making when you are just doing 167 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: a pilot. We were only getting paid or guaranteed for 168 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: that one episode, and so it is like a little 169 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: bit more money. It's like a tiny bit more. Then like, Okay, 170 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: let's say you got paid twenty grand to shoot this pilot. Yeah, 171 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: if it gets picked up, you're getting like seven No, 172 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: but you're getting like seventeen thousand. It's always a little 173 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: more for the pilot and then a little less for 174 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: the series. 175 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: Rag okay to start that's right, yeah, got it, get it. 176 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: And so for us, like we shot the pilot, got paid, 177 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: and that might just be it. And then like we 178 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: were originally told it was going to be a mid 179 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: season replacement show, meaning it would start after January. Seasons 180 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: always end around May, so you're doing a shorter season, 181 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: so we thought it might be a handful of episodes. 182 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: So again to us, so much money, great, But then 183 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, well, it got picked up for thirteen episodes. 184 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: Right right, and then and then at some point do 185 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: you remember when we got picked up for the back nine, 186 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: which is what the additional of complete completes the whole 187 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: twenty two oh basically, but yes, you're again. The sentiment 188 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: is that, like we didn't there's so many different pieces 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: to like even when you book the series regular. You know, 190 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: back then it was a very standard pilot to series 191 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: order or thirteen you know episode series order or full 192 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: series order. And now I think it's evolved where you know, 193 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: streamers came out. Things have changed, you know, broadcast television 194 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: is like or the twenty two season episode season is 195 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: no longer. It doesn't exist. 196 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: It exists for some shows, but it's very very very rare. 197 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: You're booking a show and you get picked up for 198 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: eight episodes. They're going to shoot all eight episodes at once. 199 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: You're going to shoot them in order wherever you are, 200 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: and that's what you get paid for. Now, when we 201 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: talk about this, it's like writers also get paid by 202 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: the episode and by these kind of similar contracts because 203 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: they have the writers Guild. And so now as it's evolved, 204 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: you look at actors and writers and crews who are 205 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: getting paid for not twenty two but eight episodes, and 206 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: that's the only job you get all year, and some 207 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: of your existence is questionable because you're like, how do 208 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: I make it? 209 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: Well? You also in those contracts that has to be 210 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: negotiated if it's eight episodes or ten episodes, whatever it is, again, 211 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: they're in first position. 212 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 213 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: So I know plenty of people who have done shows 214 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 2: within the past couple of years where they only shoot 215 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: for a couple months and they have the rest of 216 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: the year, but they're not allowed to do any anything else. 217 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So I do think it's important for us 218 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: as viewers to just remember that, Like if you see 219 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: a show come out on Netflix, it becomes like an 220 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: overnight sensation and it's really big that does not correlate 221 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: and most likely does not correlate to a huge financial 222 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: success for those. 223 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Actors in it, right, I could at least right right. 224 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: Up the gate. And and it takes a lot of 225 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: time between seasons. It takes a lot of time to 226 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: see if a show is going to get picked up 227 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: for another season. And so what happens is you have, 228 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: you know, somebody who always becomes famous overnight, and yes, 229 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: they got paid for these episodes, and it's a decent 230 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: amount of money and they're able to like survive for sure, 231 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: but like I think that's it, Like the glamor that 232 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: comes along with how it looks. 233 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: Yes, is very They're famous now, so they must be rich, right, yes, 234 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: and it's very easy to assume them. But like if 235 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: you look at somebody who's gotten famous overnight, the contract 236 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: that they were negotiating, they had no legs to stay on. 237 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: They're taking that contract whether they like it or not 238 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: for most for the most part, right generally, And I 239 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: think it's important to also remember to acknowledge that these actors, 240 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: we have teams, right, you have agents, you have managers 241 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: who all have to get paid. That comes out of 242 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: your paycheck, right, the paycheck that that you have negotiated. 243 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: So there are standards where agents and managers get ten 244 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: percent of your each, so twenty percent is coming off 245 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: the top of your paycheck. 246 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: And then you usually have an attorney on top of that. 247 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,479 Speaker 2: An attorney will take five. 248 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Percent of your yearly of your your your or five 249 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: percent of. 250 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: That now five percent of the earnings that they negotiated for. 251 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: That contract, right right right, And then you have taxes 252 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: of course if and you have you know, low low 253 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: union dues or union dus are also like SAG and 254 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: any union you are part of, they are percentage of 255 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: how much you make, so they're not taking like a 256 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: standard percentage. It's based off of how much you've made 257 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: for them that year. And then if you are lucky 258 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: enough to become successful and famous and become just notable, 259 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: right then there's having to keep that up. It's every 260 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: red carpet. It is publicists, which. 261 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: Are you guys. Publicists are so expensive. 262 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: And there's people are They're really there to pitch you 263 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: and protect you and really take advantage of the time 264 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: of your success and like get you in you know, 265 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: the media and and all the publicity. 266 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: It can also be like, you know, we see a 267 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: lot of bad publicity. Good publicity. Publicity can be used 268 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: to get the next job totally. It technically can be 269 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: an investment for your career and your future. 270 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: But also it's haaren makeup every every carpet, hair and 271 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: makeup all these things that are you just like you 272 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: don't see from the outside. And so it's to keep 273 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: up this life of like you're asked to go to 274 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: these red cards. You're asking these things and you don't 275 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: you show up and they're sending no. I will say, 276 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: like Glee was pretty good about like publicity events, Like 277 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: if we had publicity events, they would cover hair and 278 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: makeup for us, which was. 279 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: Like, really, I think most things do. 280 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: If you are doing publicity for a show, the. 281 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: Thing you worked on, yeah, they will almost always provide 282 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,479 Speaker 2: hair and makeup. Probably not a styling budget. 283 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: No, but if they're if you're like a recurring or 284 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: a guest or on the show, but you're asked to 285 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: come to this red carpet that's on you. They're not 286 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: covering that, they're not getting your car to get there, 287 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: they're not giving you hair and makeup. So anyway, there's 288 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: just all these pieces that also I think are important 289 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: to touch upon when people see the success of somebody. 290 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: And I think it's also this isn't a poor me 291 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: for us, no, no at all. I think it's just 292 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: presenting the realities of like you don't stay out publicist, 293 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: You don't have have to have a stylist, you absolutely 294 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: do not. But it is something as horrible as it 295 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: is that can't impact your like higher ability afterwards, because 296 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: like the pictures that are seen of you go into 297 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: people considering you for other opportunities. Question Jenna, how and 298 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: your experience is like styling work. For example, you know 299 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: I mean stylist. I think I've gotten more and more famous. 300 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: Yes, I get stylists. But styling works where like they 301 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: if it's if it's a handful of events that you're doing, 302 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: like you're doing Award season and they're coming up with 303 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: like four really big dresses for you, they have to 304 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: go pull jewelry to match, shoes to match, things to borrow, 305 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: clutches and purses to borrow. So if they're doing like 306 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: one really big event, like or a big round of events, 307 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: they'll do a big poll for you. They'll come over, 308 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: you'll do a big fitting, right, and you'll pay them 309 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: in one lom sum for all of that. Or there's 310 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: some people who like they worked on retainer, so like 311 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: they get paid, you know, you pay them a bunch 312 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: of money and then they work when they are needed. 313 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: And there's also like you get paid by the event, 314 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: and you know you can pay yourselves by the event. 315 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: Glee covered some of that, but they didn't cover all 316 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: of it because we went to so many of us 317 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: and some of them were personally personal invites and were 318 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: because of Glee, but not promotingly and to like like 319 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: the treund generated, like the nonprofits of them, of the 320 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: world that you want to be a part of, you 321 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: want to be there for that's on you. So I 322 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: remember the first season of Glee, I didn't have a stylist. 323 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I didn't get to work with my amazing stylist, Samanda. 324 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: Like I also like I was trying to save money. 325 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: We weren't making that much money, Like it was a lot, 326 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: but it was still not I need to sustain for 327 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: other things that were priority, And so I would go 328 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: and I would buy dresses at Bloomingdale's. Yeah, for all 329 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: these events, all the first season of Glee, I picked 330 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: out all those things. They may not have been the 331 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: right things, but I picked them out and I bought 332 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: them for myself. And I had that obviously. And then 333 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: also like that contract allowed me to do that, whereas 334 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: like some TV contracts, like people, I didn't have a family, 335 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have kids, Like I didn't have a house 336 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: and mortgage, Like we were kind of running free in 337 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: this way where it was like that was the priority 338 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: of like where we're spending money was like my family 339 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: and my rent. But if it was this phase of 340 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: my life, I think I would have to spend very differently. 341 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: I think there's something also that, like I always thought like, oh, 342 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: you know these people who like Friends and Seinfeld you 343 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: see on TV all the time everybody talked about residuals 344 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: where they would just live out the residuals for the 345 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: rest of their lives. I'm sure that Friends could probably 346 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: do that, right. Like it was a small cast, they 347 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: had a really good, really good syndication across multiple channels. 348 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: Comedy snore. Really can long running comedies. 349 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: Your half hours, yes, gold half hours, yes. But for 350 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: I always thought like, oh, every Tivy show that has 351 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: success like must be that those stars must be set 352 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: for life. 353 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 354 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: I was grossly wrong, grossly wrong. And I remember Romy 355 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: and Mike and all the adults in the show being like, 356 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: save you money, put it in real estate, don't spend it. 357 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: I didn't listen to most a few of those, and 358 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: I did put my money in real do we did 359 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: do that, Kevin did. But I was wrong. And I 360 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: think that's also like something a misconception that like, once 361 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: you're famous, once you've hit it, like you're just good forever. 362 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: And that's just absolutely untrue. And I stand here humble 363 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: by that because it's tough. It's really tough. 364 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: The fame aspect of it is like if you're lucky 365 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: enough to get a job and you're lucky enough to 366 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: be on something that is doing really well, yeah, we 367 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: had the security of knowing we had twenty two episodes, yeah, 368 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: or like if you don't now and now I think 369 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: also there's like a different relationship with social media. There's 370 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: opportunities to make money there where there weren't before totally 371 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: also getting flown out to fashion shows, which wasn't happening 372 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: when we were and Glee, and that doesn't mean they're 373 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: making money for that, right, They're getting a free trip 374 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: out of it, and it looks good for them, right, 375 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: and maybe getting some free clothes, but it's like you 376 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: aren't necessarily making any money. 377 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: Off of that. 378 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: Residuals also work differently nowadays on streaming. They are it's 379 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: a completely different model and you don't normally you don't 380 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: get residuals and you're paid upfront, so like you're paid 381 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 2: your episode fee and then like that's all you get. 382 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Residuals. Also, like for people just basic term is like 383 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: you make money every time it airs again on repeat 384 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: and at a different rate every time right, or whatever 385 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: channel it's on where it's being played. But sorry, keep going. 386 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: Like growing up, you'd hear about syndication deals for friends 387 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: or Seinfeld. Syndication is also a whole separate thing, which 388 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: was fascinating. So syndication also works. It's not just you're 389 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: a regular on this show, so you're all getting the 390 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: same thing. Syndication is based off of how much you 391 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 2: are in that episode, like how significant you are in 392 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: that episode, so somebody somehow is calculating. 393 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: The episode. 394 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, like it's based off of that 395 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: for syndication, which is I mean, it's fascinating to like 396 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that. I was, like, that's how it 397 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: works for real. And then over time your residuals become 398 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 2: less and less because they're worth less as each airing 399 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: goes on. But this is also for like series regular people. 400 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: You know, for for films, it's a lump it's a 401 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: big lump sum because you're doing one job, so you're 402 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: getting paid and that's obviously negotiated at the same time 403 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: that you're testing or in final callbacks or whatever it 404 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: may be. Just like a TV show, guests are you 405 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: usually know up front before you even go to the audition, 406 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: because there's per union rules. This is how much a 407 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: guest star gets paid at a minim range or range, 408 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: or if you're like famous, then you can break that 409 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: and they can pay you extra. Nowadays, a lot of 410 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: times on auditions they'll actually post even for a series regular, 411 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: they'll put in the so if you missed the last episode. 412 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: This is a little tidbit that we forgot to mention. 413 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: So like when you first get your audition, we talked 414 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: about receiving an email, but in that email is all 415 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: the information you need. It is a synopsis of the show. 416 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: It's when it's shooting, when it's shooting, the studio you're 417 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: going out. 418 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: For, the studio behind it, the network or the film studio, 419 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: whatever it may be, the writer, director, producers, everything you 420 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: need to know, and sometimes nowadays the range of what 421 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: you could be making. So it could be you're auditioning 422 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: for the show it's a series regular, and the range 423 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: is ten thousand to fifty thousand. Yeah, yeah, whether that's 424 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: a game or not. From the studio, you know, they 425 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: don't ask for more than fifty because you're not going. 426 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: To get it. 427 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And guests are sort of the same thing. It's like, Okay, 428 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: there's a minimum that you can get, and then there's 429 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: all other kinds of things that we could get into 430 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: about because it is low budget, a super low budget, 431 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: and there's different union rules where it's like there's okay, 432 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: you're getting six dollars a week to do an ultra 433 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: low budget movie. 434 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've done I've done movies and projects 435 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: where I've lost money. 436 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: Oh for sure, I have two. Yeah, I want to 437 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: do it. 438 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: But that's you're doing it for the love of the job. 439 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: And if you have the luxury to take a job 440 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: where you can lose money, that is a luxury, right, 441 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: that is a privilege. And so I just want to 442 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: reiterate again what you said Kevin earlier about like you know, 443 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: there's this like standard of what people what came before us, right, 444 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: and how the industry standard of what people were making. 445 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: And I don't want this to come as complaining, like 446 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: we come from a place of privilege, and Hollywood also 447 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: is a place of privilege. Ye, But yeah, I mean 448 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: I think that there's people like you've taken We've all 449 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: taken jobs because we have to, right, and not because 450 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: we want that particular role. We've taken jobs that we're 451 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: able to because we want to do it. And it's 452 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: not a lot of money, but it doesn't really matter. 453 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: You like the piece, you like the person who's doing it, 454 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know. But there's like I think 455 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: there's this lack of transparency across money in general and 456 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: society but also within Hollywood about how people survive. And 457 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: then with social media, this like misconception that fame comes 458 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: with with people being rich, and that's at least actors, 459 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: and that's not always the. 460 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: Case, and most working actors are not the big stars. 461 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: I think, you know when you talk about like, oh yeah, totally, 462 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence is getting paid ten million dollars for a movie. Oh, 463 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 2: she's only keeping fifty percent of it, and that's still 464 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: five million dollars totally. That is a ton of money. Still, 465 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: But for most people who are regularly trying to work 466 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: and who are whether they're doing guest stars or co stars, 467 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: or they may be a regular on a streaming platform 468 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: for a couple episodes. You know, you still have your 469 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: regular bills and things to go about your and your 470 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: daily life. And so it's fifty taking a fifty percent 471 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: including taxes, and you know. 472 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: The yeah, it goes away really quickly, yes, yes, yeah, yeah. 473 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: It's a very very very very very very small percentage 474 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: of the people who are making tons of money. Like 475 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: it's it's it's like the point zero zero one percent 476 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 2: of you know, our union. 477 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: And I think like, as act like we have to 478 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: make we have to stretch out our pay for a 479 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: really long time, right, So like when you get a 480 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: really big check, you're like, oh my god, this is amazing. 481 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: I needed this, And then you're like, how long can 482 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: I make this last? Because you just don't know where 483 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: your next job is going to, where you don't know 484 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: how much you're gonna make on your next job if 485 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: you get a next job, Like it's just it's this game. 486 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: And so you know, I think my advice would be 487 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: for actors who you live below your means, as long 488 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: as you can save your money as much as you 489 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: can while also living your life, and also like invest 490 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: in real estate or invest it, you. 491 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: Know, I mean, And it's also you know, the thing 492 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: is you are lucky enough to get any job wherever 493 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: it is is great because you're actually getting to do 494 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: the thing you want to be doing regardless of the money. Yeah, 495 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: but you do need to live. And I think the 496 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: other thing is is that like, even if you're on 497 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: a TV show or a movie that is not twenty 498 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: two episodes, it's also just great exposure for you and 499 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: you're usually able to hopefully springboard into some other opportunities 500 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 2: adjacent to that thing to make more money. So, you know, 501 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: work begets work most of the time. But it's a 502 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: really unpredictable career. Yes, I know so many people who 503 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: you know, stuck it out as long as possible and 504 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: be like, I can't do this anymore because which is 505 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: fully one. 506 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: There's so many unknowns, right, and like in your. 507 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: Life is like your your career is not in your 508 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: hands ever. 509 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: Now that's what I hate about it. 510 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 511 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: Well, I hope this was informative for people, and I 512 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: hope that it pulled back the curtain a little bit 513 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: on the experience of like the process from trying to 514 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: get the job, trying to lock in the job, and 515 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: then also once you get the job and keeping the 516 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: job and then staying afloat because it's so so real. 517 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: I think my last final. 518 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: Note that I would like to say before we please is. 519 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: That the amount you work or the amount of money 520 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: you receive for your work does not determine the value 521 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 2: of you and your work. And so I think it 522 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: can feel and that goes both ways. Somebody to catch 523 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: a break and get a bunch of money for something, 524 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: and you're like, how did they get that? So it's 525 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: important to, like, I think, remain as humble as possible 526 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: through all of that. And the other thing is like, yeah, 527 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: if you're someone who's struggling to get work and you're 528 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: just going from small thing to small thing, that doesn't 529 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 2: mean you're not worthy of like work. And so I 530 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: think it's important to be able to know you're worth 531 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: outside of financially what you may be getting from acting. Yes, 532 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: because it is it's and it's ever changing business and 533 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: everyone's trying to figure it out, and as wealth is 534 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: being hoarded more and more at the top, it's it's 535 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: a hard it's. 536 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: A hard place to be, harder than ever. 537 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but at the root of it, it's like people 538 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: who who love community, who love the arts, and who 539 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: love getting to do this and we get to play 540 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 2: dress up and use our imagination and find connection with 541 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: one another and share that with other people. So it's 542 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: like a really beautiful thing and sometimes we get to 543 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: get paid for it and it's wonderful. 544 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: Okay, and Kevin, before we really go, we have the 545 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: assignment for you guys for next week. 546 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Pop Demon Hunters. 547 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: We're doing it. We're doing it. 548 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeahs oscars our next weekend. So it's like the last 549 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: movie I had to see. Yep, and it's on Netflix, 550 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: so get into it. I feel like we're the last 551 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: two people. 552 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Actually, I think everybody else has seen it already. 553 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so if you haven't or if you have 554 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: watched it again, kay, Pop Demon Hunters, that's what you 555 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: really missed. Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram 556 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure 557 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: to write us a review and leave us five stars. 558 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: See you next time.