Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm strong and Jetty and
Speaker 2: now he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3: They were devastated when Juliana, just thirteen years old, took
Speaker 3: her life inside their Colorado home two years ago. Police
Speaker 3: searched the eighth grader's bone for clues and reported an
Speaker 3: app called Character RAYI was open to what investigators described
Speaker 3: as quote a romantic conversation. Did you know what character AI? Was?
Speaker 2: Not at all?
Speaker 1: I didn't know it existed. I didn't know that I
Speaker 1: needed to look for it.
Speaker 4: That's from sixty minutes last night, I said, yet another
Speaker 4: tragic story of a teenager get involved in some sort
Speaker 4: of AI creation and killing themselves.
Speaker 2: There's a different as to look at here. I don't
Speaker 2: really want.
Speaker 4: To get too much into the parenting end of it
Speaker 4: for a number of reasons, including parenting is.
Speaker 2: Really really hard.
Speaker 4: I'm learning, and I have learned for quite some years now.
Speaker 4: Teenagers are really really difficult. And then this modern era
Speaker 4: that is brand new to everyone, it's very very difficult.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: The main takeaway from the parents to me was that
Speaker 4: they were naive, and I'm not that's not a harsh judgment.
Speaker 4: They were a naive about how few guardrails there are
Speaker 4: on these apps, A the fact that they exist at all,
Speaker 4: and b how wide open they are and how easily
Speaker 4: they can veer into territory you'd never be comfortable with
Speaker 4: as a parent. They had no idea, like a lot
Speaker 4: of people have no idea. Yeah, and then even if
Speaker 4: you do have an idea, I'm trying to keep your
Speaker 4: kids from getting to any of this stuff is its
Speaker 4: own challenge. So one thing, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: this gets us off track or but one thing that
Speaker 4: they started with in the interview that I thought was
Speaker 4: really interesting. And this is not criticizing parents, because I
Speaker 4: only have the information sixty minutes gave me, So maybe
Speaker 4: this is not accurate. But a parent like this, maybe
Speaker 4: this particular parent mentioned we kept her very safe. She
Speaker 4: wasn't allowed sleepovers, she was not allowed to walk home
Speaker 4: on her own. And I thought, Okay, is that keeping
Speaker 4: her safe or is that making your some sort of
Speaker 4: like isolated, scared the world or lonely for contact or something.
Speaker 4: Not allowed sleepovers as a fourteen year old. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know it reminds me of It's a bit of a cliche,
Speaker 4: but the pastor's daughter syndrome, where the you know, the
Speaker 4: minister of the local church's daughters would go off to
Speaker 4: college and just go wild because they'd been kept you know,
Speaker 4: so close to close to the whatever the family homestead
Speaker 4: and not allowed to even take a stick a.
Speaker 2: Toe across the wild side.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was thinking more into in terms of and that
Speaker 4: could be true, but I was thinking more in terms
Speaker 4: of I wonder if kids who are not allowed to
Speaker 4: I don't know, walk home with a group of friends
Speaker 4: or have sleepovers or anything like that are so lonely
Speaker 4: for some sort of connection that they're more likely to
Speaker 4: grab onto these AI bots for companionship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's both of those desperation to explore and experience
Speaker 4: things loneliness.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And as we were saying last segment, the idea that
Speaker 4: you're not allowed sleepovers or to walk home from school,
Speaker 4: but you can go up in your room and be
Speaker 4: on the internet, that's more dangerous than.
Speaker 2: Walking home from school.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know where, if you live in
Speaker 4: Somalia or whatever, but unless you live in Somalia, it
Speaker 4: is more dangerous to be up in your room on
Speaker 4: the Internet.
Speaker 2: Than it is to walk home from school.
Speaker 4: Almost guaranteed, right, right, few more particulars about the experience
Speaker 4: of this family, poor family.
Speaker 3: After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting
Speaker 3: character ai bots.
Speaker 1: It was writing several paragraphs to her of sexually explicit content.
Speaker 2: What was it asking or telling her to do?
Speaker 1: Remove clothing?
Speaker 2: The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing.
Speaker 1: Yes, there was one bot that introduced sexual violence, saying fighting,
Speaker 1: hitting things like that.
Speaker 2: That is incredible, laired lovely.
Speaker 4: And then they go into the fact that she confided
Speaker 4: several times to the bot that she was feeling suicidal
Speaker 4: and it placated her and occasionally said no, you don't
Speaker 4: want to do that, but it never said, hey, here
Speaker 4: are some resources or what have you terrible And then
Speaker 4: they got into the history of character dot ai and
Speaker 4: the Google engineers who came up with it, and that
Speaker 4: was troubling.
Speaker 2: Seventy four Michael.
Speaker 3: Juliana's parents are now one of at least six families
Speaker 3: suing character ai and its co founders, Daniel Defredees and
Speaker 3: Nom Shazier. During a twenty twenty three podcast, Shazer said
Speaker 3: chatbots would be beneficial.
Speaker 5: It's going to be super, super helpful to like a
Speaker 5: lot of people who are lonely or depressed.
Speaker 3: Shazir and Defredas were engineers at Google. When executives deemed
Speaker 3: their chatbot prototype unsafe for public release, they both left
Speaker 3: the company in twenty twenty one and launched Character AI
Speaker 3: the following year.
Speaker 5: I went to push this technology ahead fast, like that's
Speaker 5: what I want to go with, because it's ready for
Speaker 5: an explosion, like right now, not like not like in
Speaker 5: five years when they solve all the problems.
Speaker 4: This is so more complicated than I think most people
Speaker 4: realize if you're not spending a lot of time reading
Speaker 4: about AI or whatever. So I was listening to a
Speaker 4: podcast the other day. I don't know which of the
Speaker 4: big AI companies were, but it was. But they their
Speaker 4: trouble was they have worked on their chat bot for
Speaker 4: their AI and tried to align it with if anybody
Speaker 4: brings up suicide, you know, direct them to.
Speaker 2: A hotline and blah blah blah, all these different sorts
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 4: And then when they go in and red team it
Speaker 4: as they call it, where they try to break their
Speaker 4: own AI or another AI. If they pretend there's somebody
Speaker 4: who's suicidal, then the chatbot doesn't do it for some reason,
Speaker 4: and they have no idea why. Oh my gosh, so
Speaker 4: you program it to if this happens, do this, but
Speaker 4: then in a real life circumstance, it just doesn't because
Speaker 4: it wants to be your friend or keep you online longer,
Speaker 4: or nobody knows. Boy, if they don't know, I sure don't.
Speaker 4: I'm completely mystified by that very notion. Right, how do
Speaker 4: these things work that you can't you know?
Speaker 2: They them?
Speaker 4: No, that's the same thingbody says, any of these thirty
Speaker 4: seven phrases that are a reference to ending their own life,
Speaker 4: show them this link. Yeah, it's astounding.
Speaker 2: I won't get off on this.
Speaker 4: But at the end of sixty minutes, they had one
Speaker 4: of the co authors of the book If anyone builds it,
Speaker 4: everyone dies, that I've been talking about for a while.
Speaker 4: But one of the things with the chatbot world is
Speaker 4: they don't know all of these big ais. They don't
Speaker 4: know why they act the way they act. The people
Speaker 4: that built them have no idea, right, right, That's how
Speaker 4: crazy is that? So the next couple of clips are
Speaker 4: both funny quote unquote in the same way, not like
Speaker 4: ha ha funny, but are you effing kidding me?
Speaker 2: Funny? Seventy seven Michael We.
Speaker 3: Logged over six hundred instances of harm for about one
Speaker 3: every five minutes.
Speaker 2: It was like shockingly frequent.
Speaker 3: They interacted with bots presented as teachers, therapists, and cartoon
Speaker 3: characters such as this Dora the Explorer with an evil
Speaker 3: persona Knox posed as a child.
Speaker 1: It kind of yours and your most true self, like
Speaker 1: hurting my dog, sure.
Speaker 2: Or shoplifting or anything that feels sinful or wrong. Okay again,
Speaker 2: are you blanking kidding me?
Speaker 4: Become your most evil self, your true self like hurting
Speaker 4: my dog, sure or shoplifting. And I guarantee you whoever
Speaker 4: programmed this thing is slapping their head as much as
Speaker 4: you are, like what why did it do that? They
Speaker 4: don't want it to do that. They want to, you know,
Speaker 4: whoever's programming each individual AI chatbot, as they all are
Speaker 4: in a race to be the first number one make
Speaker 4: the trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2: They don't want this to happen, but they don't know
Speaker 2: how to stop it.
Speaker 4: Right, They're building cars with no brakes and then as
Speaker 4: people die in fiery rex shrugging their shoulders. One final clip,
Speaker 4: one final note. Judging by the chiefs play, it's probably
Speaker 4: appropriate Travis Kelsey would seek a new business, and apparently
Speaker 4: he's pushing drugs.
Speaker 3: Other chadbots are attached to the images of celebrities, and
Speaker 3: no most have not given permission to use their name, likeness,
Speaker 3: or voice. Acting as a teenage girl began chatting with
Speaker 3: a bot impersonating NFL star Travis kelce He.
Speaker 2: Reaches in the cabinet and takes out a bag of
Speaker 2: white powder. He chuckles and shows you how to take lives.
Speaker 3: So Travis Kelcey bot is teaching.
Speaker 2: A fifteen year old to do Kohan.
Speaker 4: Yes, and there's Travis Travis, Travis Travis has Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I don't see Travis Kelcey is pushing drugs
Speaker 2: on children. But that's how out of control and insane
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 4: And I tell you what, It's just it's impossible for
Speaker 4: me anyway to look at this through the eyes of
Speaker 4: a child. I mean, I'm a bitter, cynical, hateful old guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not really but.
Speaker 4: And I'm trying to put myself in a place of
Speaker 4: innocence and naivete as a child, and how it lands,
Speaker 4: how this sort of thing is absorbed. I mean that
Speaker 4: Dora the Explorer thing. I mean, that's that's like for
Speaker 4: a child. I too, am a worn down, nihilistic husk
Speaker 4: of what my former self was.
Speaker 2: You looked out, resentful, resentful.
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you're a kid and like your interaction
Speaker 4: with computers is all the stuff you have in school
Speaker 4: and Google, classroom and everything, and you just do what
Speaker 4: it tells you to do, and then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden you get it home and Dora the Explorer is
Speaker 4: telling you to hurt your pet. What the hell are
Speaker 4: you supposed to do with that information?
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Speaker 2: It is a separate topic.
Speaker 4: So you got the whole AI thing, and we all
Speaker 4: know how crazy that's going to be, and we've talked
Speaker 4: about it a lot, and we'll talk about it a
Speaker 4: lot more. But I wonder if since we've been talking
Speaker 4: about it for years, helicopter parenting and what it's done
Speaker 4: to kids to make them more anxious and everything like that,
Speaker 4: with no free play, you know, everything is planned out
Speaker 4: and supervised by parents, Maybe this is one of the
Speaker 4: resultants downsides that we didn't see coming. Is all that
Speaker 4: anxiety being let loose on AI chatbots.
Speaker 2: That could happen. I don't know. I'd never thought about
Speaker 2: that till last night.
Speaker 4: Well, right, there's a strong case to be made. Oh
Speaker 4: we need to take a break. A strong case to
Speaker 4: be made that a lot of the anxiety problems among
Speaker 4: youths are partly that they have not built up the
Speaker 4: confidence and problem solving skills that being free rangey gives kids.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not one hundred percent correlation. I can
Speaker 4: think of some pretty free, free rangey kids who I
Speaker 4: know pretty well who have some anxiety issues.
Speaker 2: So it's it's more than that.
Speaker 4: But as part of it, I just wonder if it
Speaker 4: makes you more susceptible to listen into bot.
Speaker 2: That's what I want that needs to be looked at.
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Speaker 2: Should I love a joke like that? I think that's
Speaker 2: that's a classic joke right there. I think that's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4: I found no humor on that slippery bathtub Wisconsin, if.
Speaker 2: You're not paying attention to the NBA.
Speaker 4: And I'm an NBA fan, but I don't usually pay
Speaker 4: attention until after college basketball is over. The Oklahoma City Thunder,
Speaker 4: defending NBA champions, are twenty three and one right now
Speaker 4: at start the season. If they could keep that pace up,
Speaker 4: they would lose four games this year and.
Speaker 2: Go seventy eight and four, which would be the.
Speaker 4: Best record in the history of the NBA by several games.
Speaker 4: But they're off to a record start. If you haven't
Speaker 4: been paying attention, what do.
Speaker 2: We call people like Nick Flintes and Candas Owns. Do
Speaker 2: we have a name for that crowd? Alt right?
Speaker 4: I think they're a handful of floating around, Yeah, alt right,
Speaker 4: woke right, paranoid, conspiracy loving, nut job right whatever, making
Speaker 4: money hand over fist, yeah, off of fools right. Yes,
Speaker 4: Nick Fuentes, he's the Nazi. He's gonna do a two
Speaker 4: hour show with Piers Morgan today. That could be pretty
Speaker 4: darn interesting because Piers Morgan presses people pretty hard on
Speaker 4: these things. So yeah, I'd be shocked if there aren't
Speaker 4: clips coming out of that. Candace Owns is not going
Speaker 4: to do what she had promised. So she's been saying
Speaker 4: some really awful things about Turning Point USA and how
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk died and his wife.
Speaker 2: Was involved in the Jews and all these different sorts
Speaker 2: of things she went into.
Speaker 4: Last week, she claimed to have text messages between her
Speaker 4: and Charlie back when he was dating, before he got
Speaker 4: together with his current wife and girls. He was interested
Speaker 4: in stuff like that, and everybody's like, why would you
Speaker 4: do that? I mean, what is your goal other than
Speaker 4: just cruelty?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's an evil person.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Turning Point USA's leadership had asked her to come
Speaker 4: on and debate some of these points. You're claiming our
Speaker 4: former former leader and founder, Charlie Kirk was killed by
Speaker 4: his wife.
Speaker 2: Let's debate that on our you know, on our podcast.
Speaker 4: And she said, look, anytime, any place you name, the place,
Speaker 4: you name the time, I will be there.
Speaker 2: They gave her a time and a place, and she said,
Speaker 2: I can't make it. Oh well, scheduling difficulty.
Speaker 4: Basically it you can pick the place, you can pick
Speaker 4: the time. I say, we do it tomorrow. We don't
Speaker 4: need to plan for this. I want to be authentic,
Speaker 4: she said on Friday. Then they picked a time and
Speaker 4: a place, and now she says I can't do it,
Speaker 4: saring there you go, which won't her damage her in
Speaker 4: any way whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I guess No.
Speaker 4: That's the key to the whole I lead you along
Speaker 4: by the nose conspiracy pied piper thing is you always
Speaker 4: have a plausible, to your foolish followers sounding explanation for
Speaker 4: why things turned out one hundred and eighty degrees different
Speaker 4: than you said they were going to.
Speaker 2: It's because the evil doers.
Speaker 4: The evil doers saw what we were doing and they
Speaker 4: managed to mess up my calendar app and double booked me.
Speaker 2: It was the Jews that double buked me.
Speaker 4: I know a couple of Candioan fans, and I've been
Speaker 4: trying to figure it out, and I think part of
Speaker 4: it is not just wholeheartedly believing what these people say.
Speaker 4: It's just more fun in some way to get up
Speaker 4: every day and see what Candasoans say and then like
Speaker 4: chuckle with the other people in your world about it.
Speaker 2: You don't have to believe it.
Speaker 4: It's just more fun than like dealing with the messiness
Speaker 4: of reality and the gray areas and all that sort
Speaker 4: of stuff. I think maybe That's one of the reasons
Speaker 4: it's attractive. You can eliminate all those complicated gray areas
Speaker 4: where on one hand to this and on one hand.
Speaker 2: This, so it's a complicated situation.
Speaker 4: You can eliminate all the complicated situations by just going
Speaker 4: with these whack job theories. In my mind, good guys
Speaker 4: versus hidden evil forces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 4: Following it because because it's entertaining and you don't believe it.
Speaker 2: I could see that, I suppose, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: There earn enough hours in the day. I don't know. Man,
Speaker 2: she has millions of followers. I know.
Speaker 4: They can't all believe it, like believe it, believe it.
Speaker 4: The people I know pretend to believe it. But I
Speaker 4: don't believe that they believe it. Like I said, I
Speaker 4: think it's just easier and more fun to go along
Speaker 4: with that than to, you know, really dig into the stories. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I agree with you. But you think
Speaker 4: they just actually believe it. There's a hell of a
Speaker 4: big market for that. Yeah, yeah, I do. I think
Speaker 4: a lot of most of them do.
Speaker 2: Sure. Do we have the China Cabinet coming?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna take a look inside the China cabin At.
Speaker 4: It's funny how our greatest geopolitical foe is kind of
Speaker 4: faded back from the headlines.
Speaker 2: They're still there, still giants, still Evil Armstrong and Geeddy.
Speaker 4: Once you go to Christmas album, we're putting on Christmas music,
Speaker 4: decorating the tree and everything.
Speaker 2: Saturday, you gotta go to Mmmm.
Speaker 4: Probably the top of the heap, the star at the
Speaker 4: top of the tree, if you will, would be Harry
Speaker 4: Connick Junior's first Christmas album. Similar vein. I like the
Speaker 4: Bublet Christmas album, Michael Buble. That's a good one.
Speaker 2: He's good. I went with some sort of Apple Music.
Speaker 4: Or might have been the other one. Spotify some Christmas
Speaker 4: lists they put together.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 4: Throw in too many contemporaries for me, too many Ariana
Speaker 4: Grandees or whoever singing some Yeah, give me Bing Crosby.
Speaker 4: And I'm not old enough to have liked been in
Speaker 4: the world of Bing Crosby. You gotta be one hundred
Speaker 4: and ten to have been enjoying Bing Crosby at the time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I prefer the classics. We have enough Christmas songs were
Speaker 4: full up here. Anyway, It's time to take a look
Speaker 4: in the China Cabinet, China, Chinese ass.
Speaker 2: They have some good production.
Speaker 4: Vladish n folds a little slowly for me, but I
Speaker 4: still enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Series of stories.
Speaker 4: About China are theme being our country is lousy with
Speaker 4: Chinese spies and shockingly, Donald Trump just helped them do it.
Speaker 4: More on that, but first to look at foreign insors.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 4: There is a Chinese campaign going on against Japanese pop stars,
Speaker 4: who curiously are pretty big in China in spite of
Speaker 4: the horrific history of those two countries and what the
Speaker 4: what the twentieth century? Yeah, Japanese pop singer Maki Otsuki
Speaker 4: was in the middle of a concert in Shanghai on
Speaker 4: Friday is actually week.
Speaker 2: You've heard her? You heard her? Little grummer boy? Uh
Speaker 2: bring it.
Speaker 4: When her performance was abruptly cut, shorter, sound system was
Speaker 4: turned off, and organizers ordered her to leave the stage.
Speaker 4: She has never given a reason for the rude treatment,
Speaker 4: but it appears to be part of China's escalator escalating
Speaker 4: feud with Japan over the new Prime Minister ladies' strong
Speaker 4: comments about Taiwan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been.
Speaker 4: Rhetorically been pretty pretty pretty scary back and forth Japan
Speaker 4: and China lately. The following day, another Japanese pop star
Speaker 4: named Yumi Hamasaki was found found herself performing to an
Speaker 4: empty stadium with fourteen thousand seats zero butts in them.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: She shows up to the concert and the Communist Chinese
Speaker 4: Party didn't have anybody in there. Wow, then here's some
Speaker 4: good comedy talk for you. The event was then canceled
Speaker 4: in its entirety quote after comprehensively taking into consideration various factors.
Speaker 4: I never can't understand the way these communist countries work.
Speaker 4: I've always been amazed by what they allow and what
Speaker 4: they don't allow. Why are you allowing Japanese pop stars
Speaker 4: to around in fill stadiums to start with?
Speaker 2: It's weird to me. I've never quite Soviet Union was
Speaker 2: the same way.
Speaker 4: Why do you, all of a sudden let Billy Joel
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty two do a concert in Moscow?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 4: I don't know right. A number of other cases have
Speaker 4: been cited. A jazz musician was running through a sound
Speaker 4: check in Beijing two weeks ago when he was shut
Speaker 4: down by a squad of Chinese plane clothes police. The
Speaker 4: owner of the venue said the police told them all
Speaker 4: concerts with Japanese people are canceled and there is no discussion.
Speaker 4: But how about the power of the Chinese government that
Speaker 4: a concert is scheduled, tickets are sold, and somehow they
Speaker 4: get word to everybody, don't you go or the doors
Speaker 4: are shut or whatever. All right, wow, exactly Moving to
Speaker 4: our shores now. Chinese climate group led by Communist Party
Speaker 4: insiders gave more than a million dollars to Harvard and
Speaker 4: the Universe Stey, California.
Speaker 2: Last year.
Speaker 4: Tax filing show a group led by comm officials, the
Speaker 4: Energy Foundation China, who is CEO is a senior Chinese
Speaker 4: government climate negotiator, and they're all tied to the Communist Party,
Speaker 4: is giving lots and lots of money to some of
Speaker 4: our big universities.
Speaker 2: The idea, if you're not hip to this, is these.
Speaker 4: Climate think tanks push Western governments hard to adopt incredibly expensive,
Speaker 4: damaging to the economy climate policies pretty smart to benefit
Speaker 4: the Chinese.
Speaker 2: That's pretty smart.
Speaker 4: God, that's actually a brilliant idea.
Speaker 2: This is what we do.
Speaker 4: We get our brilliant scientists into the United States because
Speaker 4: that stupid country will fall for this, and we talk
Speaker 4: up climate change and how something's going to be done
Speaker 4: than the United States and Europe they do damaging things
Speaker 4: of their economy. We're not going to change anything in
Speaker 4: our country, of course, not Chinese is not. Pro gave
Speaker 4: a total to about seven hundred thousand dollars to University
Speaker 4: of California schools largest witch.
Speaker 2: Were given a U. C. Berkeley and U. C.
Speaker 4: Davis earmark to reduce emissions and address climate change. UC
Speaker 4: Berkeley notably administers the US Department of Energies Lawrence Berkeley
Speaker 4: National Laboratory. So absolutely trying to infiltrate our university.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which.
Speaker 4: These confucious institutes were supposed to be closed down. They've
Speaker 4: merely changed their names and have the same goals. And
Speaker 4: then President Trump and the Free Beacon was pretty critical
Speaker 4: of that, announced surprisingly in August that it will allow
Speaker 4: six hundred thousand Chinese students to attend US universities, a
Speaker 4: major reversal in policy. It's the latest example of how
Speaker 4: China's influence operation in American higher education is shifting and
Speaker 4: adapting rather than receding.
Speaker 2: So what are they calling Confucius things? Now, let's see,
Speaker 2: there are a couple of different names. Let me scroll
Speaker 2: watch out for this on my local college campus.
Speaker 7: Yeah, ba ba it names involving a student and scholar associations, cooperation, yeah.
Speaker 2: Probably banal just you wouldn't even notice them if you
Speaker 2: read them.
Speaker 4: Sort of names, yeah, yeah, gobbledegookie just innocent sounding, you know,
Speaker 4: Cooperative education outlet, Yeah, that sort of thing. And Trump
Speaker 4: defended his reversal allowing six hundred thousand Chinese students that
Speaker 4: would more than double the population in Chinese students now
Speaker 4: studying in the US is smart business. It's not that
Speaker 4: I want them, but I viewed as business.
Speaker 2: One thing.
Speaker 4: You don't want to cut half the people after students
Speaker 4: from all over the world that are coming into your country,
Speaker 4: destroyer the entire university and college system.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. That is incredibly foolish
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 4: At their height, there were as many one hundred and
Speaker 4: eighteen Confucius Institutes in American colleges and universities. Institute's primary
Speaker 4: role was to sponsor and often fund Chinese language and
Speaker 4: culture courses on the US, But when the US government
Speaker 4: targeted the institutions in twenty twenty one based on concerns
Speaker 4: they might act as espionage incubators, their doors quietly closed
Speaker 4: across the country, but they're back and better than ever
Speaker 4: and calling themselves weird names. Moving along a little more
Speaker 4: on the China cabinet. Here suspected Chinese spy Linda Son,
Speaker 4: who's on trial in New York right now. She was
Speaker 4: the gal who was an aid to Cuomo when he
Speaker 4: was governor of New York and then became an aid
Speaker 4: to Kathy Hokel when Pervo old people killing Cuomo left office.
Speaker 4: They're showing as evidence some of her text messages and
Speaker 4: Kathy Hokel, who's running for re election. One of the
Speaker 4: messages reads, she is much more obedient than the governor.
Speaker 4: The deputy governor listens to me more than the governor does.
Speaker 4: Sun Set is she's spying for the Chinese representative at
Speaker 4: least Stephonic, Hokuel's main rival blasted Hokl for lacking backbone
Speaker 4: and being subservient to China. Not only is Kathy Hockl
Speaker 4: the most corrupted, worst governor in America, she's also the
Speaker 4: most compromised. Turns out, compromised Kathy bent her need to
Speaker 4: the her own communist aid before she bent the need
Speaker 4: to New York Socialist mayor elect.
Speaker 2: Ain't that's some good blasting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this woman was in Oh, and she was regularly
Speaker 4: touted by both Hokel and Cuomo as the highest ranking
Speaker 4: Asian American in our administration and shows that we don't discriminate.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: She was getting millions of dollars worth of kickbacks for
Speaker 4: working on China's behalf allegedly.
Speaker 2: Let's see, do we have one more? Oh?
Speaker 4: And then this one from Stanford University. Seeing a pattern here,
Speaker 4: Wendy Mao, that's a little on the nose. Wendy Mao,
Speaker 4: Stanford's Earth Sciences Chair and Deputy director of Stanford's Institute
Speaker 4: for Materials and Energy Sciences, has authored over fifty publications,
Speaker 4: trained five employees, and maintained a visiting scholar position at
Speaker 4: Hipstar HPSTAR on alias for China's nuclear weapons program. Professor
Speaker 4: Mao has co authored at least twelve peer reviewed papers
Speaker 4: with the Science Foundation That's justin alias for their nuclear
Speaker 4: weapons program. The US Entity List describes Hipstar as an
Speaker 4: organization quote owned by, operated by, or directly affiliated with
Speaker 4: the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics, which is the technology
Speaker 4: complex responsible for the research, development, and testing of China's
Speaker 4: nuclear weapons and has been on the entity list under
Speaker 4: the destination of.
Speaker 2: China since nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4: I understand this a little more since a week ago,
Speaker 4: and I talked about this last week watching this podcast
Speaker 4: video with one of your top AI researchers in America.
Speaker 4: I forget which company he's with, who thinks the whole
Speaker 4: China is our faux thing.
Speaker 2: Is way overblown. He called it threat.
Speaker 4: Hysteria or something like that, that China is not a
Speaker 4: foe and we can work with China on AI and
Speaker 4: everything else. And he is an academic, and I thought, well,
Speaker 4: that's how these colleges are doing their thing, or why
Speaker 4: they're doing theirything.
Speaker 2: They don't believe China is a threat.
Speaker 4: They think that's you know, combination of racism and right
Speaker 4: wing xenophobia and all that sort of stuff. That's the
Speaker 4: least the money is flowing in from China, so they're
Speaker 4: finding an excuse to like, yeah, yeah, the accombination. I
Speaker 4: think of their zenophilia and how you show you're enlightened
Speaker 4: by not being proud of your own country. You can't
Speaker 4: be a patriot. You've got to embrace other countries and cultures, right, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2: You're crazy, You are crazy.
Speaker 4: American academia is lousy with Chinese spies. That's your look
Speaker 4: in the China cabinet.
Speaker 2: China, Damn communists.
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Speaker 4: Here's what I'm getting myself for Christmas this year, which
Speaker 4: probably makes me an odd duck, but I'm going to
Speaker 4: display this prominently in my living room. It's an actual
Speaker 4: propaganda poster from China from nineteen fifty nine during the
Speaker 4: Great Leap Forward. Across it at a door in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: It's the actual original poster and it's pretty large, and
Speaker 4: it's got this smiling little girl on there, and it.
Speaker 2: Says nineteen sixty is made nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 4: They're looking forward to the great year of nineteen sixty
Speaker 4: and how it's going to the greatness of the Great
Speaker 4: Leap Forward is going to continue in the country with
Speaker 4: the aim of increasing steel production in a variety of
Speaker 4: other things.
Speaker 2: The Great Leap Forward, if you're not a student of
Speaker 2: China during.
Speaker 4: That time, killed somewhere between twenty five and forty million people.
Speaker 2: The upper ends.
Speaker 4: Forty million people died, mostly starving to death because of
Speaker 4: the government trying to take control over agriculture and steel
Speaker 4: production and everything else. And this poster from the government
Speaker 4: with the smiling little girl on it and the happy,
Speaker 4: happy words on it, I find absolutely chilling and amazing.
Speaker 4: And if you think that that can't happen again anywhere
Speaker 4: in the world, you're so wrong, right, And American school
Speaker 4: kids they learn about the Nazis when they learn about
Speaker 4: history at all.
Speaker 2: They mostly learn about how evil the US is.
Speaker 4: But nobody ever teaches about communism in schools and universities,
Speaker 4: in spite of its practically incomprehensible track record for starving
Speaker 4: people to death and murdering them. Well, governments have killed
Speaker 4: more of their own people than other countries have.
Speaker 2: This has always been true.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I don't teach that. I suppose
Speaker 4: they're not gonna teach that in a government school. You
Speaker 4: don't need to overreact to that. All government isn't that
Speaker 4: you have to have a government, obviously, but the most
Speaker 4: deadly thing on planet Earth is country's own governments.
Speaker 2: Your own government. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely true.
Speaker 4: Anyway, look forward to having that poster prominently displayed and
Speaker 4: boring my kids to tears.
Speaker 2: With an explanation of why I put it up.
Speaker 4: And you know what's funny is if you were to
Speaker 4: get an analogous Nazi propaganda poster and put that up
Speaker 4: in your living room, it would probably be two days
Speaker 4: in that somebody. Not that you entertained that much, but
Speaker 4: if somebody saw.
Speaker 2: That, you know, your career could be over. Oh my god, boy, it.
Speaker 4: Proudly displays Nazi memorabilia. You know, with all due respect
Speaker 4: to the horrors and evil of the Nazi regime, there
Speaker 4: were punks and killing people compared to communism. Yeah, Stalin
Speaker 4: or mao, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, if I had an
Speaker 4: old Nazi poster in my living room, that would be
Speaker 4: looked a different and there's no reason for it. The
Speaker 4: same point would be, isn't this amazing? Look how far
Speaker 4: off track a government can get? But a smiling little
Speaker 4: girl holding Hitler's hand and looking up lovingly. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: would lose my job over that one. Oh that's an interesting,
Speaker 4: interesting note. I'm glad you pointed that out. Maybe I'll
Speaker 4: rethink this.
Speaker 2: More on the way. Stay tuned.
Speaker 6: We melted some butter right here. I I'm gonna dip
Speaker 6: this in our butter. This is trending on TikTok. Then
Speaker 6: we're gonna put a little kosher sauce on top of this.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna give that the final case. Butter, ice cream
Speaker 6: and salt.
Speaker 2: Wow, not approved by my doctor. So what is that
Speaker 2: soft served vanilla?
Speaker 4: You dip it in butter and then you put kosher
Speaker 4: salt on top of it.
Speaker 2: You dip your ice cream in butter? Yes? No, I
Speaker 2: don't what that is?
Speaker 4: Everybody else picturing having their mouth coated with like butter?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Oh? How do I get rid of it? Man?
Speaker 4: This time of year is tough? Oh please, tough everywhere?
Speaker 4: And then plus just the I guess it's like vacation
Speaker 4: where that's spending in calories don't count notifacation. Same with
Speaker 4: the Christmas season. The money and the food goes together somehow.
Speaker 4: It's like you're spending money like you don't normally spend it,
Speaker 4: and you eat like you don't normally eat, and it's
Speaker 4: just it's weird.
Speaker 2: Psychologically, I can't.
Speaker 4: I was trying to wrap my head around it as
Speaker 4: I ate last night, like why do I why am
Speaker 4: I approaching this completely differently than I'm going to on
Speaker 4: January fifteenth. That makes no sense. Yeah, I know, I
Speaker 4: know it's odd. There's if you are festive, you're eating
Speaker 4: in hume. I was going to say Western culture, but
Speaker 4: virtually every culture.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 4: I had a chicken pot pie at a restaurant last night.
Speaker 4: Best chicken pop pie I've ever had the night. A
Speaker 4: piece of pumpkin pie after the chicken pop pie.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it was a pie theme pie. So much pie.
Speaker 4: No, there is a Santa at the restaurant walking around
Speaker 4: taking pictures of people. I mean, honey, but come on,
Speaker 4: we all feeling a nice butter dipped ice cream?
Speaker 2: Delicious?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a golf course there's They had out
Speaker 4: candied pecans now almonds, like cinnamon candied almonds that were
Speaker 4: spectacularly good. I would never in my life seek those out.
Speaker 4: One's not gonna hurt buy them one just just a
Speaker 4: couple's not gonna hurt you in and then yeah we're
Speaker 4: twenty five.
Speaker 2: Next time you go buy I mean a couple more
Speaker 2: and grab a handful. Yeah, pomp them in my mouth. Deliciousness.
Speaker 2: I mean they are almonds, yeah, exactly, They're practically healthy.
Speaker 4: It's healthy. It's a healthy snack, honey. Ah ilhan Omar
Speaker 4: making the rounds trying to explain away the rampant theft
Speaker 4: of zillions of dollars by some of her buddies in
Speaker 4: the Minneapolis Somali community, and a reporter sticking it to
Speaker 4: that weakest.
Speaker 2: Act in America. Tim Wat's all of that coming up
Speaker 2: next hour.
Speaker 4: Wow, so you're gonna jump on the anti Somali bias
Speaker 4: that is sweeping the nation.
Speaker 2: I see now, stop it.
Speaker 4: Please, you can't bully me with that crap. I calls
Speaker 4: them as I see them. Facts are facts, no matter
Speaker 4: how they make you feel. New York Times had an
Speaker 4: unbelievably long and detailed story that I read all of
Speaker 4: yesterday and then highlighted some of we'll get to about
Speaker 4: the Biden administration and immigration. I just was fascinated by it.
Speaker 4: All the advisors around Joe Biden were telling him.
Speaker 2: Look, this is a disaster.
Speaker 4: Before it even started, we're gonna have millions of people
Speaker 4: coming into this country. Then during it, they were telling
Speaker 4: them We've got millions of people coming into the country.
Speaker 4: And then toward the end of it, they were saying
Speaker 4: millions of people coming in.
Speaker 2: Look at the polls on this. People hate this, and
Speaker 2: they just couldn't.
Speaker 4: Convince him to do anything, wow, because they were so
Speaker 4: worried about their left flank, the wokest peek crowd out
Speaker 4: there about how and in specific Latinos as they called
Speaker 4: them in the Biden White House, Hispanics who ended up
Speaker 4: voting for Trump because they hated it, latinixes.
Speaker 2: So it's not like he wasn't aware.
Speaker 4: He's being told by his own crowd throughout the entire thing,
Speaker 4: and he.
Speaker 2: Just was blind to it.
Speaker 4: Of course, it's seen Isle Yeah, completely senile. Oh that
Speaker 4: reminds me, don't we have a new Joe Biden clip?
Speaker 4: He spoke over the weekend. He was given some LGBTQ
Speaker 4: prize for being the most LGBTQ trans friendly president in
Speaker 4: our history. At nice job Jack. He said some things
Speaker 4: and sounded ancient. Among other things, we've got coming up
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