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Speaker 3: This is the Daily Choken with your hosts Jordan Clippers.
Speaker 3: Welcome family show Live Clipper, we got someone to talk
Speaker 3: about tonight. The Trump administration deports and says no vaccines,
Speaker 3: Biden's pardons might need their own pardon, and Lewis Black
Speaker 3: screams about plain safety like a Southwest passenger who got
Speaker 3: over served. So let's get right into it.
Speaker 4: I've been a comedy.
Speaker 3: One of Trump's big promises for his second term was
Speaker 3: deporting violent immigrants from America, and he often mentioned one
Speaker 3: violent gang in particular.
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Speaker 5: Day Aragua, Trendy Arguy, Trendaygua.
Speaker 3: You know the members of that gang are like, is
Speaker 3: that us? She's talking about? Trump sounds like my grandfather
Speaker 3: ordering Chipotle. I'll take the barbaracle buenos nachos. And over
Speaker 3: the weekend, Trump announced he was deporting hundreds of these
Speaker 3: suspected Venezuelan gang members all the way back to El Salvador.
Speaker 3: So close enough. And of course these suspected gang members
Speaker 3: would be afforded a rigorous legal procedure, including a trial,
Speaker 3: the presentation of evidence, and all the rights of due sets.
Speaker 3: I'm just working with you.
Speaker 6: He did a Trump the administration invoking an obscure law,
Speaker 6: the Aliens Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight, which allows
Speaker 6: the government to deport people with little to no due
Speaker 6: process and was last used to round up Japanese Americans
Speaker 6: during World War Two.
Speaker 3: Last used to round up Japanese Americans during World War Two?
Speaker 3: Why does Trump always have to pick the oldest, most
Speaker 3: racist laws to do what he wants to do of
Speaker 3: cutting taxes under the authority of the it's okay to
Speaker 3: drown Italian's Law of eighteen sixty three. It's not just
Speaker 3: that it's archaic. Invoking that law has some big problems.
Speaker 3: One is that if you're deporting gang members but there's
Speaker 3: no due process, then you don't really know if you're
Speaker 3: deporting gang members, you're just deporting people who you think
Speaker 3: look like gang members. And if you start deporting every
Speaker 3: shady looking guy with questionable tattoos, I mean, who's going
Speaker 3: to go to Jets games? But you know what, you
Speaker 3: know what, I'm sure, Donald Trump has the cultural understanding
Speaker 3: to carefully discern who is a member of what's that
Speaker 3: gang name again?
Speaker 7: Trendy, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You guys are Uh. There's another problem with invoking this law,
Speaker 3: which is it's supposed to be used in wartime. So
Speaker 3: to make this work, Trump had to pretend that we're
Speaker 3: at war with Venezuela, which we're not. Not to mention,
Speaker 3: a pretend war is an extremely complicated concept. To throw
Speaker 3: out the Secretary of Defense on Saint Patrick's day. So man, okay,
Speaker 3: so bottom line bottom line here, Okay, there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of legal questions up in the air. So on Saturday,
Speaker 3: a federal judge decided to pump the brakes.
Speaker 1: That federal judge, in an emergency hearing Saturday ordered any
Speaker 1: plane containing these folks that is going to take off
Speaker 1: ors in the air needs to be returned to the
Speaker 1: United States, adding this is something that you need to
Speaker 1: make sure is complied with immediately.
Speaker 3: Oh well, it was a good try, Donald, but the
Speaker 3: judge has ruled, and that's the way the system works.
Speaker 3: So Trump brought the Venezuelans back, gave them due process,
Speaker 3: did the whole constitution thing. I'm with you, again, he
Speaker 3: ignored the judge.
Speaker 8: The administration made a calculated decision to ignore a federal
Speaker 8: judges directive to turn the flights around.
Speaker 3: My god, I mean, if you had told me that
Speaker 3: Donald Trump would trigger a constitutional crisis just seven weeks
Speaker 3: into his term, I would have said that is a
Speaker 3: lot later than I thought. I mean, Donald showed a
Speaker 3: lot of restraint. I mean, Trump's really becoming presidential. Of course,
Speaker 3: the administration didn't just come out and say we don't
Speaker 3: listen to judges from now on. They had the respect
Speaker 3: for the judicial branch to come up with some bullshit.
Speaker 1: The White House argue that Bosberg's written order was issued
Speaker 1: when the planes were already mid air, and that his
Speaker 1: verbal order some forty minutes earlier did not count.
Speaker 3: It didn't count. Is that how rulings work. You have
Speaker 3: to put it in writing, you can't just say it. Well,
Speaker 3: this is definitely not the first time that Trump has
Speaker 3: defended himself by arguing that oral doesn't count. Look it up,
Speaker 3: look it up.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: The judge wasn't terribly impressed with that argument, so Trump's
Speaker 3: lawyers went with another response, which was can't catch me
Speaker 3: force Field.
Speaker 6: The Trump administration argued that the court no longer had
Speaker 6: jurisdiction once the planes were over international waters.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, apparently the Constitution is not in effect over
Speaker 3: international waters. That explained Carnival Cruise lines new ship the
Speaker 3: SS Cruel and Unusual punishment. And while the Trump administration
Speaker 3: is saying that it has the right to ignore judicial orders,
Speaker 3: President Trump himself is somehow going even further.
Speaker 9: President Donald Trump just took the true social and deemed
Speaker 9: this judge. Responding to this decision here, calling him a
Speaker 9: radical left lunatic of a judge, a troublemaker and agitator
Speaker 9: who was sadly appointed by Barack Hussein Obama, he says
Speaker 9: this judge should be impeached.
Speaker 3: So there you have it. Donald Trump went from oh, sorry,
Speaker 3: we would have listened to this judge if we had
Speaker 3: heard it in time, to actually, this lunatic judge should
Speaker 3: be impeached. And if you would have told me that
Speaker 3: that all happened in forty eight hours, I would have
Speaker 3: said wow again longer than I expect. Now, some of
Speaker 3: you might be thinking, Jordan Jarna Jarnan, enough about this
Speaker 3: constitutional crisis. I want to hear about another constitutional crisis.
Speaker 8: Well, you're in luck last night, the President posted on
Speaker 8: social media said, quote the part ins that sleepy Joe
Speaker 8: Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of political thugs and
Speaker 8: many others are hereby declared void, vacant, and of no
Speaker 8: further force or effect because of the fact that they
Speaker 8: were done by autopen.
Speaker 3: He's voiding Joe Biden's pardons. It's not enough that he's
Speaker 3: fighting the judicial branch in the present. He's also fighting
Speaker 3: the executive branch in the past. He's causing more problems
Speaker 3: in the multiverse than Jonathan Majors. Yes, I guess Donald
Speaker 3: Trump just found out about auto pens, which leads us
Speaker 3: to one of the most annoying events in a Trump presidency.
Speaker 3: Donald learns about something new, so we all have to
Speaker 3: learn about it too.
Speaker 10: Presidents Biden and Obama both used an autopen device to
Speaker 10: sign official documents, so practice that is legally binding.
Speaker 11: The actual use of the autopen dates back to Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 3: Thomas Jefferson, I mean, I guess that makes sense when
Speaker 3: you have that many secret kids. That's a lot of
Speaker 3: birthday cards you gotta sign. Busy man. Now, to be
Speaker 3: fair to Trump, he's not just saying Joe Biden used
Speaker 3: an auto pen. It's something far more sinister, a conspiracy
Speaker 3: so evil that Trump took time out of his busy
Speaker 3: schedule waiting for the airplane bathroom to discuss the.
Speaker 7: Whole subject of photoped Did he know what he was doing?
Speaker 7: Did he authorize it versus somebody in an office, maybe
Speaker 7: a radical left lunatic, just signing whatever that person wants.
Speaker 3: Yes, good question. Did Joe Biden really sign the pardons
Speaker 3: that he said several times he signed? Or did a
Speaker 3: radical left lunatic sneak into the Oval office and start
Speaker 3: signing whatever was in the room pardons, laws, doctor's notes, yearbooks.
Speaker 3: I mean, did Joe Biden really want Cindy to have
Speaker 3: a great summer? Or was it the deep takes? Yeah?
Speaker 3: My favorite part of this whole story is how Trump
Speaker 3: tried to claim that he would never use an auto pen,
Speaker 3: only to remember that he actually did use an auto pen.
Speaker 7: I used it. I mean, we may use it as
Speaker 7: an example to send some young personal letter because it's
Speaker 7: nicely you know. Can we get thousands of thousands of
Speaker 7: letters and letters of support for young people, for people
Speaker 7: that aren't feeling well, etc.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'm doing important things like pardoning January six ers.
Speaker 3: I'll side to myself, but for doing stupid shit like
Speaker 3: writing letters to sick kids, docu sign is fie either way.
Speaker 3: Trump basically just admitted that he doesn't personally sign any
Speaker 3: of the get well letters he sends to young people
Speaker 3: who aren't feeling well. Now, obviously that's not the important
Speaker 3: part of this story. What's important is the danger that
Speaker 3: excuse me, Jordan, Jordan, Uh well, oh uh, TROYA wata
Speaker 3: everybody on? I got Troy. I'm sorry, Toy. Where are
Speaker 3: you right now? Jordan?
Speaker 12: I'm at the hospital for young people who aren't feeling well.
Speaker 12: And you might not think that their feelings are important.
Speaker 12: But when these sick kids found out that Trump used
Speaker 12: an auto pen on their letters, their hearts broke.
Speaker 3: And they died. What holy shit, all the kids died?
Speaker 12: Well, no, there's still one hanging on and he is
Speaker 12: being so brave and oh okay.
Speaker 3: There he goes. That was the last one. Okay, Are
Speaker 3: we sure it was their broken hearts? It wasn't whatever
Speaker 3: medical condition they were dealing with.
Speaker 12: No, A lot of them weren't even sick. Some had scrapes,
Speaker 12: some had a tummy ache, some had that fake get
Speaker 12: out of school cough, you know, with the curled tongue,
Speaker 12: that that one. But no matter what it was, when
Speaker 12: they learned about the auto pen, their hearts just stopped working,
Speaker 12: except for one kid whose life support court I tripped over.
Speaker 12: That was my bad, and I said, I was sorry.
Speaker 3: Okay, look, Troy, troylet I don't get this. Trump has
Speaker 3: been so cruel to sick kids. He's cut cancer research
Speaker 3: and medical services. He's threatening their health insurance. I mean,
Speaker 3: what do they love so much about Trump?
Speaker 12: Little kids just love tariffs, Jordan.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe some of them are racist.
Speaker 12: But the point is they're gone now. No more little
Speaker 12: booger fingers, no more department store tantrums, no more screaming
Speaker 12: on airplanes.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 12: I'm kind of talking myself into.
Speaker 3: This, Troy. No, Troy, you're being very callous. Sorry, you're right,
Speaker 3: you're right. Okay.
Speaker 12: Some of these kids were five and six years old,
Speaker 12: so all they had at the end were their stuffed
Speaker 12: animals and their jobs at DOGE.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: Right. It's the real tragedy it is. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I don't know how their families
Speaker 3: are going to live with this.
Speaker 12: Well, Fortunately Resident Trump sent them all letters of condolence.
Speaker 12: He got a lot of them signed pretty quickly. And
Speaker 12: oh wait, oh wait, families.
Speaker 3: Don't open those letters.
Speaker 13: Oh shit, everyone's dead.
Speaker 3: Everyone's dead. Trader stuff, Troy what everyone? We go back
Speaker 3: little Black and grounded. So stick around back the Naily Show. Now,
Speaker 3: when a news story falls through the cracks, Lewis Black
Speaker 3: catches it for a segment we call back in Black.
Speaker 2: You know, once upon a time, air travel was a
Speaker 2: pleasant experience. People got dressed up, the food was good,
Speaker 2: and if someone put their elbow on your armrest, you
Speaker 2: could burn it with your cigarette. Of course, nowadays travel sucks,
Speaker 2: and it's only getting worse.
Speaker 9: The recent string of horrific plane crashes are making many
Speaker 9: wonder is it safe to fly? Scary moments at LaGuardia
Speaker 9: Airport after a Delta plane's wings struck the runway.
Speaker 3: Near miss between the Southwest Airlines plane that is landing
Speaker 3: right there and a private jet look at that that
Speaker 3: crosses its way.
Speaker 10: An American Airlines plane engine on fire after landing at
Speaker 10: Denver International Airport.
Speaker 9: The former president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association
Speaker 9: had this stark warning Unfortunately, in twenty twenty five, the
Speaker 9: United States airspace system is no longer considered the gold
Speaker 9: standing around the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit, what else are you gonna tell me?
Speaker 2: Alec Baldwin is no longer the gold standard in workplace safety.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm no av safety expert, but I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure the plane is supposed to land right side up,
Speaker 2: not splayed on its back like it's waiting for a
Speaker 2: happy ending. Oh, Svetlana, my landing gear isn't gonna tickle itself.
Speaker 2: So it's safe to say air travel is in rubber
Speaker 2: shape than RFK Junior's larynx. And all of these mishaps
Speaker 2: are no coincidence. Since America treats its air traffic controllers
Speaker 2: like crap.
Speaker 10: Air traffic controllers are under tremendous stress right now, many
Speaker 10: controllers working mandatory overtime six day weeks of ten hour shifts.
Speaker 10: Staffing across the country is a huge and chronic problem.
Speaker 10: The country is still short some three to four thousand
Speaker 10: air traffic controllers.
Speaker 2: How is this possible? There are three hundred million people
Speaker 2: in this country and we can't find any more air
Speaker 2: traffic controller. Listen, America, some of you need to help
Speaker 2: land airplanes. We can't all be TikTok influencers. And I
Speaker 2: was doing it first, got up, fam Remember to smash
Speaker 2: that like button or I'll kill myself. Wow, three million
Speaker 2: likes jokes on you. I'm still gonna kill myself. So yes,
Speaker 2: it seems like air traffic controllers are in a wee
Speaker 2: bit of trouble. Luckily, inbred Freddie Mercury is here to help.
Speaker 4: Critics say issues could get worse with recent firings of
Speaker 4: four hundred FAA staff members by Elon Musk and the
Speaker 4: Trump administration's Doge Good.
Speaker 3: God, Elan, what do you do?
Speaker 2: How can I put this in a way? You understand
Speaker 2: you're supposed to keep the planes up here naturally with
Speaker 2: all the chaos, you might be terrified to get on
Speaker 2: a plane, But there are plenty of insufferable ways.
Speaker 3: To get over your fears.
Speaker 13: If you're feeling anxious on the plane, try deep breathing,
Speaker 13: meditation and distraction with books, music, movies, or conversations with others.
Speaker 6: There's also having positive self talk, having some reality conversations.
Speaker 13: I'm okay, this is a plane ride, I'm almost there.
Speaker 13: I can make it.
Speaker 6: I tell't put a rub a band on your wrist.
Speaker 7: When you start feeling phobic or word or anxious, just
Speaker 7: gently snap it and it sort of pulls you back.
Speaker 2: Oh listen, stay, God, that is beyond dumb. I'm sure
Speaker 2: your seat mate would love to spend seven hours listen
Speaker 2: to you snap a rubber band and mumble I'm okay, Snap,
Speaker 2: everything is fine. Snap. No one else can smell my
Speaker 2: nervous diarrhea.
Speaker 3: Snap snap Snap.
Speaker 2: Personally. Personally, when I'm flying, I like to ease my
Speaker 2: anxiety by screaming there's a bird on the engine. We're
Speaker 2: all gonna die. But hey, you do you of course,
Speaker 2: if you're riddled with anxiety, why not distract yourself by
Speaker 2: watching my latest TikTok. There's a bird of the engine.
Speaker 2: We're all gonna die seeing how Bam.
Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis black. Everyone we come back, Ezril Philes going
Speaker 3: around the way, Welo back in the Daily Show. My
Speaker 3: guests tonight are journalists and co authors of the new
Speaker 3: book Abundance. Please welcome New York Times opinion columnists Ezra
Speaker 3: Cline and staff writer for the Atlantic Derek Thompson. Gentlemen,
Speaker 3: you're write a book about an optimistic future, about reforming
Speaker 3: America's institutions. Why Delvin to sci fi? It's a good
Speaker 3: deep question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a there's a sentence in the first after
Speaker 4: the book that sounds like one of the most obvious
Speaker 4: sentences ever written in any nonfiction book ever.
Speaker 3: We say quote.
Speaker 4: To have the future that we want, America needs to
Speaker 4: build and invent more of what we need.
Speaker 3: How in the world you.
Speaker 4: Have to write an entire book about the most obvious
Speaker 4: sentence you've ever heard.
Speaker 6: So you.
Speaker 3: Absolutely it's so easy. Lot of the book.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, you know, you wouldn't have to
Speaker 4: write a whole book about that sentence if you lived
Speaker 4: in a world of sanity, But we don't. We live
Speaker 4: in a world of the constitutional crises that you talked about,
Speaker 4: and we also live in a world that has affordability.
Speaker 3: Crises and housing crises.
Speaker 4: And a lot of these crises, unfortunately, are worst in
Speaker 4: blue states and blue cities. And so what our book
Speaker 4: is trying to do is to redefine liberalism the Democratic
Speaker 4: Party for an age where the Democratic Party is incredibly unpopular.
Speaker 4: But it has to be strong and popular to take
Speaker 4: on Donald Trump. But I think we have to take
Speaker 4: a good long look in a mirror and say, why
Speaker 4: is it that we've allowed the places we have the
Speaker 4: most power to become so problematic that people are leaving
Speaker 4: and we're losing power in these places.
Speaker 3: Now another book is essentially it's written to the left
Speaker 3: as sort of a credo as to what we should
Speaker 3: be looking forward to. What is this idea of abundance
Speaker 3: in a nutshell? What are we talking about?
Speaker 11: So for a long time, the left is looked for
Speaker 11: what it could subsidize. Right, if we don't have enough
Speaker 11: healthcare insurance, can we give you a healthcare voucher that's Obamacare?
Speaker 11: Can we give you food stamps to get food, pelgrants
Speaker 11: to get higher education, rental vouchers to get housing. Then
Speaker 11: you look at places where liberals govern and a lot
Speaker 11: of it doesn't work because we don't have enough of
Speaker 11: the core thing. If you give people a bunch of
Speaker 11: rental vouchers in New York City, in San Francisco, what
Speaker 11: often happens is they can't get housing because there isn't
Speaker 11: enough of it, or the price goes up. Higher education
Speaker 11: is a similar dynamic. Healthcare has some dynamics like that.
Speaker 11: You got at a certain point focus on building enough
Speaker 11: of the things you need. Housing is a big one.
Speaker 11: I'm from California. I'm from Irvine, California, down south from
Speaker 11: Los Angeles. I lived in San Francisco during much of
Speaker 11: the writing of the book.
Speaker 3: This is a solved problem.
Speaker 11: We know how to build apartment building, we know how
Speaker 11: to build homes, we just don't let people do it.
Speaker 11: And the result is a California. New York, Illinois are
Speaker 11: losing hundreds of thousands of people a year, so many
Speaker 11: that by twenty thirty, after the census where we reapportion
Speaker 11: political power based on population, after that, it all goes
Speaker 11: as it's been going. A Democrat who won every state
Speaker 11: Kamala Harris won and also won Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin
Speaker 11: still wouldn't win the presidency because blue states would have
Speaker 11: lost so much power by driving out working class families
Speaker 11: to red states.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you got to fix this stuff. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: I want to tweak that optimistic look at the future.
Speaker 3: But you speak about this, You talk a lot about
Speaker 3: the regulations in places like California, in places like New York.
Speaker 3: Is the answer to make California look more like Texas?
Speaker 3: Is that what we're talking about?
Speaker 4: Sometimes I think absolutely the answer is to make California
Speaker 4: look more like Texas. I mean, sometimes if the problem
Speaker 4: is that a city has too many regulations and too
Speaker 4: much zoning and too many rules that get in the
Speaker 4: way of accessing the most basic technology of putting upsticks
Speaker 4: and adding an elevator, then yeah, you take away the
Speaker 4: bad rules that are getting in the way of adding
Speaker 4: housing supply where you have to just add more damn houses.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean, though, that we're Texas Republicans, and I
Speaker 4: think it's important to say that neither is Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: In a weird way, like Trump was elected because of
Speaker 4: an affordability crisis in this country, he was elected because
Speaker 4: of inflation, and the biggest part of inflation, the biggest
Speaker 4: part of anybody's budget is housing. Trump could have been
Speaker 4: elected and said, I'm a Texas Republican and my first
Speaker 4: order of business is going to be to make it
Speaker 4: easier to build houses in America. What does he do instead?
Speaker 4: He slaps a tariff on lumber from Canada and drywall
Speaker 4: material from Mexico. Guess what's really really hard to build
Speaker 4: if you have no wood and you also have no
Speaker 4: drywall material.
Speaker 3: It turns out to be houses. So the first thing.
Speaker 4: He does is make it harder to build the thing
Speaker 4: we need to solve, the affordability crisis. Donald Trump does
Speaker 4: not understand how to fix the problems that ironically led
Speaker 4: to his election. That's where Democrats need to stand up
Speaker 4: and say, we're going to build an opposition movement that
Speaker 4: fixes people's problems by understanding people's problems.
Speaker 3: Now, how much is the sure we're building an argument
Speaker 3: for building for coming together. Obviously you're writing this book
Speaker 3: before this past election, and there's times where I'm hearing
Speaker 3: about this vision of if we can get people together
Speaker 3: to get on the same page, we can fix big
Speaker 3: issues like the housing crisis, like the environment. It feels
Speaker 3: like we're talking about like we can make this Titanic
Speaker 3: run beautifully. But then the election hits and we hit
Speaker 3: the iceberg. So how much of this is still applicable
Speaker 3: to a democratic movement that feels very hobbled right now?
Speaker 11: I got to say, man, the thing that surprised me
Speaker 11: least in the election was the blue shift to Trump. Yeah, right,
Speaker 11: that blue cities and blue states had the biggest shift
Speaker 11: to the right, because this was an affordability election and
Speaker 11: we're actually, I think just generally in a new age
Speaker 11: in American politics. For a very long time after the
Speaker 11: financial crisis, the problem the economy had was demand. We
Speaker 11: didn't have enough demand, We didn't have enough jobs, we
Speaker 11: didn't high enough wages, and everybody on both sides talked
Speaker 11: endlessly about demand. And in the background for a long time,
Speaker 11: for decades, there have been this building affordability crisis in healthcare,
Speaker 11: in housing, in education, in childcare, in elder care, and
Speaker 11: nobody was really doing anything about it.
Speaker 3: And then the pandemic hit and inflation hit, and the.
Speaker 11: Entire like Soron's eye of American politics, moved to prices,
Speaker 11: and inflation calmed in parts. Right, it's not going up
Speaker 11: the way it was, although we'll see how the tariffs go.
Speaker 11: But the affordability crisis then was in full view, and
Speaker 11: it gotten worse, and it had gotten worse, and so
Speaker 11: we're in this era where people are going to have
Speaker 11: to figure out how to solve this. And yeah, this
Speaker 11: was a bad election, Like we're in a bad place.
Speaker 11: Everything you I was like having trouble deciding during your
Speaker 11: monologue should I laugh right?
Speaker 3: Yes? Like this this is Ezra, this is this is
Speaker 3: the problem with liberals today. They're watching a comedy show,
Speaker 3: being like should I laugh? Should I think about it?
Speaker 3: How do I feel? Let me run some focus group this,
Speaker 3: What do you feel about?
Speaker 11: I felt like disgusted these last weeks. This has been
Speaker 11: the worst time I can remember in American politics. And
Speaker 11: the problem that liberals keep running into is they keep
Speaker 11: trying to beat Donald Trump, not based on what he
Speaker 11: does to people's lives, but what he does to people's institutions.
Speaker 11: And if the Democratic Party is going to win, if
Speaker 11: it's going to beat the populace right, which is coming
Speaker 11: up again and again, not just here but in other countries,
Speaker 11: you have to have answers to the problems people face
Speaker 11: in their lives, not answers to the abstract questions of
Speaker 11: polite not answers to not answers to who is on
Speaker 11: the side of democracy, but answers to whose states are
Speaker 11: better governed, which places do you want to live, Who
Speaker 11: has something to say about what is making your Tuesday hard?
Speaker 3: Now it's interesting you're talking about messaging. I get to
Speaker 3: the end of the book and you bring up Operation
Speaker 3: Warp Speed, and I'm like, oh, I forgot about Operation
Speaker 3: Warp Speed, Yer did everybody else?
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing that Operation Warp Speed is like,
Speaker 4: you have a program that, by some accounts, saved ten
Speaker 4: to twenty million lives around the world by inventing and
Speaker 4: accelerating the distribution of mr Anda vaccines, and yet nobody
Speaker 4: talks about it. We talks about I think the Democrats
Speaker 4: don't talk about it because it's kind of awkward to
Speaker 4: give credit to a program that was initiated under Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: But the weirdest thing of all is that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: doesn't talk about it. In fact, he's one of the
Speaker 4: biggest skeptics of mr and a science right now.
Speaker 3: So it really is bizarre.
Speaker 4: Like imagine if we landed a man on the moon
Speaker 4: and nobody talked about the Apollo program because it just
Speaker 4: wasn't something that either party could bring up. We saved
Speaker 4: even more lives with Operation Warp Speed than we saved
Speaker 4: with the Apollo program, and no one talks about it.
Speaker 4: I think it's important to take really, really clear lessons
Speaker 4: from what Operation work Speed did. We set a very
Speaker 4: clear goal. We said, in ten months, we're going to
Speaker 4: develop a therapy that saves people's lives. We're going to
Speaker 4: get it to everybody if they wanted, and we're going
Speaker 4: to make the cost of this world saving therapeutic, maybe
Speaker 4: the best medicine in the world, zero dollars and zero cents.
Speaker 4: We set a goal, we identified with the bottlenecks we're
Speaker 4: going to be. We took away the bottlenecks that exist
Speaker 4: and we met the goal. Frankly, that's how government should
Speaker 4: work more often. We should have mayors and governors saying
Speaker 4: mayers and governor's saying we're going to set a goal
Speaker 4: for housing supply. I want to add one hundred thousand units,
Speaker 4: and I'm not going to let anybody tell me no.
Speaker 4: I care about climate change, so I'm going to add
Speaker 4: this amount of energy that we're going to create from
Speaker 4: solar and wind, geothermal, and I'm not going to let
Speaker 4: anybody tell me no. But for some reason, outside of
Speaker 4: a crisis, we don't have this kind of outcome oriented politics.
Speaker 4: This book is about putting outcomes over processes. It's about
Speaker 4: setting a north star with a big, bold, beautiful sci
Speaker 4: fi vision in the first three pages of the book
Speaker 4: and saying we can do this, but in order to
Speaker 4: do it, we have to get out of our own way.
Speaker 3: But you're you're talking about long term visions. You mentioned
Speaker 3: having this lens of abundance. It's sort of what you're
Speaker 3: proposing here. But I think you go out and you
Speaker 3: talk to people, and that we are the politics of
Speaker 3: short term results. Everything is about what can you get
Speaker 3: me now? We're not even thinking about the giant medical
Speaker 3: miracle of operation warp speed from a few years ago. Like,
Speaker 3: how does something like this resonant resonate with folks who
Speaker 3: are on their phones, They're flipping through. They want an
Speaker 3: answer right now, they want to be angry right now,
Speaker 3: they want action right now. How do you speak to
Speaker 3: a grander idea when it feels like the world is
Speaker 3: moving faster than that. I'm so glad you asked.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 11: You don't get long term results in politics without short
Speaker 11: term results. And this is the thing I think Democrats
Speaker 11: have really forgotten. We've been doing high speed round California
Speaker 11: for a long time. Nobody's winning any elections on that.
Speaker 11: Under Joe Biden, they passed forty two billion dollars for
Speaker 11: world broadband. It passed in I think twenty twenty one,
Speaker 11: early twenty twenty two. By the end of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 11: you know how many people are hooked up to world broadband?
Speaker 11: Couple dozen We passed seven point five billion dollars for
Speaker 11: electric vehicle charges to build a nationwide EV charger network.
Speaker 11: We built a couple dozen by the end of his presidency.
Speaker 11: You cannot win elections if you are passing billions of
Speaker 11: dollars that people cannot feel within two or three or
Speaker 11: four years. And that is not that does not have
Speaker 11: to happen in the time. I'm the California has not
Speaker 11: built five hundred miles of high speed rail, trying to
Speaker 11: build twenty three thousand miles of high speed rail.
Speaker 3: We can do this.
Speaker 11: Making sure that money through government flows faster is how
Speaker 11: you make sure that people know government actually matters in
Speaker 11: their lives. When it goes to solely they don't know.
Speaker 11: And then somebody comes out and says, oh, vote for me,
Speaker 11: I'm the strong man, I alone can fix it. I
Speaker 11: will make it work, and then you run the risk
Speaker 11: that they're going to believe him.
Speaker 3: Now in looking at the democratic field, right now, Democrats
Speaker 3: I think are hearing this message, and then they're saying
Speaker 3: maybe we should go on more podcasts. Feels like they're
Speaker 3: taking baby steps to this. Who is carrying this message?
Speaker 3: Who do you see as somebody like we come out here,
Speaker 3: and we talk to audiences in between acts, and more
Speaker 3: often than not, people are they're desperate for an answer,
Speaker 3: whether that looks like resistance or whether that looks like
Speaker 3: a vision of the future that they can get behind.
Speaker 3: And we're desperately we're desperately missing some of those voices
Speaker 3: out there. Do you see this message being carried by
Speaker 3: anybody articulately?
Speaker 4: I see people in Congress and the Senate and governors
Speaker 4: explicitly picking up this message. I mean, someone asks a
Speaker 4: colleague of EZRA clients. The New York Times asked where's
Speaker 4: the Democrats Project twenty twenty five and Richie Torres, Representative
Speaker 4: Richie Torres from New York just tweeted a photo of
Speaker 4: the cover of this book and without any words, just said,
Speaker 4: this is my idea of product twenty twenty five for
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: Feel that feels lazy? Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there I go.
Speaker 3: Just to take a picture of Warren Peace. The second part.
Speaker 3: We'll just do the second part. We're happy to do the.
Speaker 4: Work of writing the book if people are going to
Speaker 4: be taking up the ideas. But people really are taking
Speaker 4: up the ideas, and that's cool. I want to say
Speaker 4: one other thing, you know you talked about what's the
Speaker 4: value of a positive vision?
Speaker 3: I think it's a fair question.
Speaker 4: Politics is incredibly negative right now, but I really do
Speaker 4: think that there's a lot of voters that are starving
Speaker 4: for not just a negative identity for their party, but
Speaker 4: a positive identity. Right It's easy for Democrats to say
Speaker 4: right now, why Donald Trump sucks? You can do that
Speaker 4: over and over and over again. You could do ten
Speaker 4: hours of the constitutional crises that he started.
Speaker 3: You can make a television show, the television show about it.
Speaker 3: What's the pause division?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: Donald Trump sucks? What are we going to place him with?
Speaker 4: What problems are we going to solve? If we have power?
Speaker 4: The problem right now is that a lot of Democrats
Speaker 4: who actually have power, and blue cities and blue states
Speaker 4: aren't doing anything with that power in terms of adding
Speaker 4: housing and clean energy. We want them to show Americans
Speaker 4: what will we do if we win? If we can't
Speaker 4: show Americans the pause division, If we can't show Americans
Speaker 4: what happens if we win, do we even deserve to Well,
Speaker 4: it's a it's.
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