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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on Russell Wilson, Bronco's Got
Speaker 1: to Eat the Contract, Jason Kelce retires at the age
Speaker 1: of thirty six. Those are just some of the headlines.
Speaker 1: There was also a story. It's a story that I
Speaker 1: brought up. I have mentioned it. I've sprinkled it in
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Jay Williams, former Duke Star, he's
Speaker 1: an analyst at the Mothership, and he was asked about
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark and he said, well, you can't be the
Speaker 1: goat until you win championships. And this is a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. And then he even said that don't
Speaker 1: I don't consider her great yet. And well, Jim Beheim,
Speaker 1: the syric former Syracuse head coach, had this to say
Speaker 1: about those comments.
Speaker 2: You know, and then somebody comes out, some experts, says, well,
Speaker 2: she hasn't won a championship. If I ever see that guy,
Speaker 2: just punch him. Unless he's really big. I won't deal
Speaker 2: with if he's a big But these people, where are they?
Speaker 2: How do they even get jobs saying stuff like that?
Speaker 2: You know, you should there shouldn't be certain things you
Speaker 2: say that disqualifies you from ever being on rape or
Speaker 2: TV again.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's Jim beahun get off my lawn guy. By
Speaker 1: the way, Jim, I think you're taller than Jay Williams.
Speaker 1: I think Beaheim's around six y four. Jay Williams around
Speaker 1: six to two, so he is taller than Jay. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jim's going to be punching anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: Jay Williams has been critical of Syracuse in the past.
Speaker 3: You think I'm positive, Okay, but he's your coach, knows
Speaker 3: exactly who he is.
Speaker 1: You quite short.
Speaker 4: That's a classic move. Yeah, not sure who said it is?
Speaker 1: Well, Okay. Jay Williams grew up in this culture, this
Speaker 1: social media culture of hot takes, and that's what he's
Speaker 1: tried to do since he's been at ESPN. He tries
Speaker 1: too hard sometimes. You know, he's a bright guy, knowledgeable guy,
Speaker 1: but sometimes that's not good enough or you don't feel
Speaker 1: it's good enough, Like I gotta say something. I want
Speaker 1: somebody to say my name. I know he got upset
Speaker 1: at me when he did an interview and he talked
Speaker 1: about when he was with the Bulls some of his
Speaker 1: teammates got high at halftime, and I said, that's really irresponsible.
Speaker 1: Now we're looking at who are the guys who were
Speaker 1: actually getting high. There's only twelve names or eleven names
Speaker 1: where you're going Were you getting high? Were you getting high?
Speaker 1: And then Jay got upset through another person that I know,
Speaker 1: we know, and I was told that he was not pleased.
Speaker 1: I said, let him come on the air. I have
Speaker 1: no problem. I'd call him out. Said it was wrong.
Speaker 1: You're going to say that about your teammates that were
Speaker 1: you getting high at halftime? And this I mean to
Speaker 1: say that Caitlin Clark is not great. You're going to
Speaker 1: get attention, You're going to get clicks. That's what this
Speaker 1: is all about. That's the game. That's what everybody is
Speaker 1: trying to do, get clicks with hot takes. We don't
Speaker 1: do it. I'll never do it. If I believe something
Speaker 1: I tell you, but I'm not here to go. Hey,
Speaker 1: feel free to criticize me on social media, just make
Speaker 1: sure that you mentioned my name. But that's the game.
Speaker 1: That's what people do. People look and see, all right,
Speaker 1: who is successful? I want to emulate them, And a
Speaker 1: lot of those have to do with people are hot
Speaker 1: takes artists. I get it. It's just not so. I
Speaker 1: just don't believe that everybody believes when they're telling you
Speaker 1: something like do you really believe that? Or you're just
Speaker 1: saying that? And I think there's a lot of that
Speaker 1: that goes on and maybe does Jay really think that
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark is not great? Does he think Angel Reese
Speaker 1: is better than Caitlyn Clark? Does you know angel Reese
Speaker 1: won the title last year? I mean, is that how
Speaker 1: silly this is going to sound? Oh, she did all
Speaker 1: those things. She's one of the you know, she's the
Speaker 1: leading scorer and what's sixth all time and assists women's
Speaker 1: basketball And somehow she's not great because she didn't want
Speaker 1: it's on to it. She took that team to the
Speaker 1: title game, but somehow she's not great. If you don't
Speaker 1: want to say she's the greatest of all time, that's fine,
Speaker 1: you know, that's open to discussion. But if we're going
Speaker 1: to go by winning titles, this, this is how the
Speaker 1: argument ends. Breonna Stewart won four titles at Yukon and
Speaker 1: was my most valuable player, most outstanding player all four years.
Speaker 1: That's perfection right there. Nobody can argue with that, right,
Speaker 1: but we will, Yeah, we did to some degree.
Speaker 3: Yesterday though, spend time talking about how rings are more
Speaker 3: valuable than individual accomplishments for Lebron. Correct, only Lebron, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's only Lebron specific for everybody else. It's individual not rings.
Speaker 1: No, we were talking about Lebron, right right, and would
Speaker 1: you rather have didn't bring up If you bring up
Speaker 1: somebody else, then we can apply that. Now, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Lebron all time leading score, forty thousand points, would he
Speaker 1: give up being the all time leading score for two
Speaker 1: more titles? That was all we talked about. I didn't
Speaker 1: bring anybody else in, so it doesn't just apply to Lebron.
Speaker 1: That was the only person we talked about. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we will. Yeah. I mean I if there's somebody else
Speaker 1: and you say, well, would you rather have that or
Speaker 1: you have that, then we could discuss that. But you know,
Speaker 1: does Tom Brady want to get another Super Bowl but
Speaker 1: he has to give up something? You know, that's a discussion.
Speaker 1: But Lebron was the prime example because he has all
Speaker 1: these points, But would he give that up for you know,
Speaker 1: third leading score of all time and you get two
Speaker 1: more titles or one more title? And I think he
Speaker 1: would gladly do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I went back and watched a clip of Jay Williams
Speaker 6: originally talking about Kaitlyn Clark. This is almost a month ago,
Speaker 6: and there's a mix of topics there. They were discussing
Speaker 6: her greatness, and they're discussing is she the greatest of
Speaker 6: all time? And at different parts in the conversation, Jay saying,
Speaker 6: I save greatest for all of all time for guys
Speaker 6: like Joe Montana or Tom Brady, you know, like like
Speaker 6: a Dan Marino couldn't be the greatest of all time,
Speaker 6: even though ability wise he might be her performance wise
Speaker 6: he might be. And he was trying to say that
Speaker 6: because she didn't win a title, because Iowa hasn't won
Speaker 6: a title led by Kaitlyn Clark, he has to hold
Speaker 6: her back from the single greatest of all player with
Speaker 6: great of all time?
Speaker 1: Well, we just said she wasn't great.
Speaker 4: Well, the conversation.
Speaker 6: Started morphing and moving along, and he said he goes,
Speaker 6: I reserve greatness for those who win titles, and that
Speaker 6: was also pulled. So he did say it, but it
Speaker 6: kind of originated with the all time greatest play.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to call her the greatest of
Speaker 1: all time, yeah, let's find that's open to discussion. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of wonderful players. But if you are
Speaker 1: saying she's not great because she hasn't won a title,
Speaker 1: then that's ignorant.
Speaker 3: Yes, it feels like there's I don't think it's semantics,
Speaker 3: but there's some kind of like line here that people
Speaker 3: are it's sort of going back and forth on where right,
Speaker 3: like the conversation where this is what we were talking about
Speaker 3: when the conversation happened where he said the greatest of
Speaker 3: all time and for him, you have to have a
Speaker 3: ring to be the greatest of all time, and that's
Speaker 3: morphed into she's He said that she's not great, and
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's necessarily the case.
Speaker 1: I thought there's a quote where he says, I don't
Speaker 1: consider her great.
Speaker 4: If i'm he's a reserve greatness for those who win titles.
Speaker 1: Okay, so therefore she's not great.
Speaker 6: Correct, that's what he's saying. But it originated with the
Speaker 6: greatest of all time. It kind of for me is
Speaker 6: like discussing Tom Brady a couple of years ago. If
Speaker 6: your greatest of all time is resume tom Brady has it,
Speaker 6: it's really not even a discussion to be had. But
Speaker 6: if if you said the grace of all the time
Speaker 6: is who is the greatest at playing the position of quarterback?
Speaker 6: I may still side with a Montana or or even
Speaker 6: Steve Young over because that's a different argument. It's the
Speaker 6: your definition of great in the moment of your discussion.
Speaker 1: But Lebron has won four titles and he has all
Speaker 1: the stants right, he fits both categories of what Jay
Speaker 1: Williams is talking about. That would make Lebron the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time.
Speaker 6: Or if you said, if I were going to start
Speaker 6: my team with any player in history, would it be Lebron.
Speaker 1: James or Michael Jordan?
Speaker 4: Right, and you'd probably I think Dan would take Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5: Right, I would.
Speaker 1: I would pause with that because of longevity. Yes, you've
Speaker 1: got a factor in Lebron has made you relevant. A
Speaker 1: title can tend for twenty years.
Speaker 4: Okay, how about this question. I'll change a question.
Speaker 6: Okay, who is the best you've ever seen at playing basketball?
Speaker 5: The name that.
Speaker 6: You'd throw out there, the best you've ever seen at
Speaker 6: playing the sport where he was the best at all
Speaker 6: parts of.
Speaker 4: The game.
Speaker 1: Might be Bill Walton. One year.
Speaker 6: Offensive defense, he was spectacular. How about for a career though,
Speaker 6: because like if Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 6: while scoring thirty.
Speaker 1: Two Yeah, well, I know you want me to say
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, I think, But I think that with that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I saw Bird do a three year
Speaker 1: window where he went back to back to back with
Speaker 1: MVPs and average would have averaged the triple close to
Speaker 1: triple double.
Speaker 4: He Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to, like I have to be fair
Speaker 1: to these guys. You know, is Mike the guy that
Speaker 1: you won on your team to win a game? Yes,
Speaker 1: he'd be the guy that I want. But I think
Speaker 1: I think we get tripped up sometimes how you say
Speaker 1: something what is being said? Like what is the actual
Speaker 1: question there? And that's where you go, Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would take.
Speaker 3: Yes, because the headline you just wrote said Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: not the greatest player of all time. Yeah, yes, and
Speaker 3: that's Dan Patrick said Michael Jordan's not great and give
Speaker 3: it and give it three hours. And that's what the
Speaker 3: internet is going to say. You just said Michael Jordan's
Speaker 3: not as good as Larry. If I was on ESPN,
Speaker 3: then that would happen. But no, it's not going to
Speaker 3: happen with this show because people aren't like picking and
Speaker 3: choosing something and then grabbing a headline.
Speaker 1: And they said this on ESPN, and but once again
Speaker 1: this is what happened. This is the media now. It's
Speaker 1: like I got to get you. There's so many different outlets.
Speaker 1: I got to get somebody to go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: do you see this? And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're like, let me click. And that's what the game.
Speaker 1: The game is about clicks. And that's why I tell
Speaker 1: my broadcasting students in Orlando, you know, make sure if
Speaker 1: you have a hot take, that you have a whole
Speaker 1: lot of information that backs up your hot take, not
Speaker 1: just hey, let me throw this out there.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did this whole conversation to me, isn't unlike
Speaker 3: Gilbert Arena said, Europeans should never have been allowed to
Speaker 3: play basketball, Europeans ruined the game. Well, it's not really
Speaker 3: in the context of a discussion, I was saying that
Speaker 3: defense and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had Gilbert Arenas on a former NBA player
Speaker 1: and he said he was being sarcastic when he said,
Speaker 1: you don't want to know how we got to this
Speaker 1: style in the NBA. It's because of the Europeans. And
Speaker 1: he said, you know, they don't play defense, they're not athletic,
Speaker 1: and the rules allow you to you can't be physical.
Speaker 1: But he said he was being sarcastic. But if you
Speaker 1: just saw the headline, which is what I saw the headline,
Speaker 1: read the article, and I said to Fritzy, we should
Speaker 1: let Gilbert try to explain this because it certainly seems
Speaker 1: like he's xenophobic here, yeah, poem.
Speaker 6: And this all comes down to a lot of social
Speaker 6: media sites. A lot of websites cut and paste parts
Speaker 6: of quotes and they take it purposely out of context
Speaker 6: to get more clicks. So while Jay Williams may have
Speaker 6: been more clear, if you listen to his entire ten
Speaker 6: minute back and forth with the guys, the sports illustrator,
Speaker 6: whatever place would take it, chop it up, post it.
Speaker 6: So you engage your articles without giving you at all contexts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why we try to have people on
Speaker 1: if they do say something, to give them that opportunity
Speaker 1: for context, or we try to provide context. Don't do
Speaker 1: it all the time, don't do it well all the time,
Speaker 1: but at least that is that's our thought process. Context.
Speaker 1: Rich Eisen has a headline where rich Eisen says the
Speaker 1: giants basically are moving want to move on from Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: or they've given up on Daniel Jones. Now I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. But I saw the headline and
Speaker 1: people will click on that. Mike Florio said, Hey, strong
Speaker 1: indications are kirk Cousins is going to move his family
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, where his wife is from. That led to
Speaker 1: a lot of speculation. Now, according to DraftKings, the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons are the favorites for kirk Cousins at quarterback. You
Speaker 1: see how that plays out. You know, I was told
Speaker 1: the Giants might be in the market for a with
Speaker 1: their draft pick, and I'm one, huh, And I thought, well,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that with you just paid Danny Dimes.
Speaker 1: But Rich Eisen said that he had heard at the combine.
Speaker 1: If you see the headline there with Rich, it's that
Speaker 1: they're basically moving on from Daniel Jones or they want to.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what exactly that means. The same
Speaker 1: organization that gave him all this money and signed him
Speaker 1: up and you know, made Saquon Barkley beg to get
Speaker 1: a contract, then that now they're going to move on
Speaker 1: from him, Like what what did you see he got injured?
Speaker 7: Did you?
Speaker 1: Was it? You know, the passing pison, the Tommy de
Speaker 1: Vito And that's why you want to move on from
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes. Now you want to move on from him.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what Rich is saying there, if
Speaker 1: they're going to use that, whether they have the sixth
Speaker 1: pick overall, if they're going to use that on a quarterback. So,
Speaker 1: here are a lot of things. When you go to
Speaker 1: the combine, you hear a lot of things. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of agendas there too. You know what I'm hearing. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're just hearing that. Yeah, okay, you got a source, Well,
Speaker 1: got to protect him, Okay, you trust his source? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are they saying? That's how it works, you know
Speaker 1: what I heard. You know, it's the game of telephone.
Speaker 1: If I tell Marvin something, Marvin tells Fritzy, Fritzy tells Paulli,
Speaker 1: Paully tells Seaton. By the time he gets the seat,
Speaker 1: and it'll be completely different.
Speaker 4: But it'll feel like fact.
Speaker 1: It will. It'll be like you have, you know, three
Speaker 1: different sources that tell me. Well, all it is is
Speaker 1: somebody repeating something to somebody who repeats it to you.
Speaker 1: That's not sources. But that's the tricky game that we
Speaker 1: play every single day when it comes to stories.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 1: So Caitlin Clark is great, she might not be the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time? Is that where we're going to
Speaker 1: land the plane? Here?
Speaker 4: Eye of the beholder?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 1: And Jim Beheim may punch Jay Williams if he sees it.
Speaker 1: Not okay, game Day said my game Day?
Speaker 4: Doesn't Jay Williams or Game Day.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break. We'll check in with
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Now, what do you do? Ryan Leaf was
Speaker 1: with us last hour, and Ryan said, Hey, this may
Speaker 1: be more about the quarterback or the coach than the
Speaker 1: quarterback here that this may be about Sean Payton's ego
Speaker 1: and not necessarily Russell Wilson's production. But we'll see what
Speaker 1: other plans they may have out in Denver right after
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Speaker 1: More phone calls coming up. You know, I can't help
Speaker 1: but think back to when Atlanta could have could have
Speaker 1: traded two first round picks for Lamar Jackson and what
Speaker 1: could have been? Could you imagine Lamar Jackson with the Falcons?
Speaker 1: Anybody could have made that trade. Remember nobody wanted to
Speaker 1: give up two first round picks. Then you had to
Speaker 1: pay uh Lamar Jackson, Lamar has an MVP season. You
Speaker 1: imagine Lamar and Bijon Pitts London. Yeah, that would have
Speaker 1: been awesome.
Speaker 5: All right.
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Speaker 6: You by like the Falcons in here? What do we
Speaker 6: don't catch it strapping?
Speaker 1: I don't know why that came up. You know that
Speaker 1: here's this Kirk Cousin's going to be going there, justin
Speaker 1: Field's going there, or you know, Baker Mayfield gone there.
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Speaker 1: McFadden just completed his first season covering the Broncos for
Speaker 1: the Denver Post. Used to work for the Ravens covering
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Sun, so you had stability with the Ravens,
Speaker 1: great organization and then you go to Denver and what
Speaker 1: a great year they gave you. Ryan, How have you survived?
Speaker 5: It's been It's been pretty It's been pretty crazy. But
Speaker 5: I'll say that Sean Payne stuff is.
Speaker 1: All busy, all right, help me understand how big a
Speaker 1: surprise was this that Russ was going to be released?
Speaker 5: I would say this it was. It was a bit
Speaker 5: of a surprise, espelically how it happened because after after
Speaker 5: the New England game, they were even though like their
Speaker 5: playoffs their playoff oz went down drastically after the loss
Speaker 5: to the Patriots, they were still mathematically in it. So
Speaker 5: making that type of move for a quarterback who was
Speaker 5: having a modest season in the midst of you know,
Speaker 5: trying to it's a playoff course, was on a surprising.
Speaker 5: But if you as as a season progressed like you
Speaker 5: can tell, like Sean Payton and Russell Wilson kind of
Speaker 5: never like it there. It never jailed, and I think
Speaker 5: when you look at it, even even though Russ had
Speaker 5: statistically had better numbers compared to the year before under
Speaker 5: Nathaniel Hackett, but Payton had issues in terms of, like,
Speaker 5: you know, I had to trim down the offense to
Speaker 5: help Russ, you know, get it in and out the
Speaker 5: huddle execu his the goal. The goal to goal execution
Speaker 5: wasn't up to Peyton's standards. So at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, I think it looks like this move is
Speaker 5: more of I think Denver knows that they're going to
Speaker 5: take a huge cat hit doing this, but it's more
Speaker 5: of Payton saying this is not going to be my
Speaker 5: guy for the foreseeable feature. So let's just go our
Speaker 5: separate rays right now, avoid paying him and pay him
Speaker 5: to guarantee money of thirty seven million dollars to twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five unless see I can find my guy that
Speaker 5: I want to bring it in. Because remember, Russell Wilson wasn't
Speaker 5: Sean Payn's guy. Sean Payton walked into Denver with Russell
Speaker 5: Wilson's the quarterback now out, Sean Payton can go out
Speaker 5: there and find it, find his guy. So at this
Speaker 5: point where I think Russell Wilson could still be a
Speaker 5: quality quarterback in the NFL, and I think his market,
Speaker 5: he's gonna have a strong market. But that's pressure on
Speaker 5: Denver and Sean Payne to get this right.
Speaker 1: Okay, So who's Sean Payton's gone.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's the question everyone wants to know. I
Speaker 5: think when you look at this draft, there's two guys
Speaker 5: that stick out to me that kind of fits with
Speaker 5: Sean Payne's looking for in the offense in terms of
Speaker 5: Organ's bow Nicks and Michigan's j JJ McCarthy. During the combine,
Speaker 5: the Broncos did their due diligist with the quarterbacks. They
Speaker 5: interview had formal interviews with every top prospect, including uh
Speaker 5: Spencer Radler, who's a guy from South Carolina. Gonna be
Speaker 5: a possile late run option. So you're going to see
Speaker 5: they're going to be aggressive with it. And but when
Speaker 5: you look at this, I think, no matter where they go,
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna have to have patience. And that's
Speaker 5: where I think the key is with Sean Payton. Because
Speaker 5: Sean Payne came here and he wants to win like
Speaker 5: that's no matter what, that's his goal. He's gonna want.
Speaker 5: He wants to be for a postseason. But if you're
Speaker 5: gonna try to bring in a rookie quarterback, I think
Speaker 5: that's gonna require Sean Payne to have patience because you sure, uh,
Speaker 5: let's say they get McCarney. Let's say they get Nicks.
Speaker 5: That could be your guy. But do you want to
Speaker 5: rush them to be out there in a field week
Speaker 5: one when they're not ready? So if to me at
Speaker 5: this point, the perfect scenario is if they can find
Speaker 5: a quarterback in this draft, someone that they love. I
Speaker 5: think that's the key part there, that they got to
Speaker 5: love the guy you know, and roll with Stidham and
Speaker 5: have him in the rookie transition. I think that'd be
Speaker 5: the perfect their area for Denver.
Speaker 1: Okay, you've only been there a year. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like you know Sean Payton better after a year or
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson after a year.
Speaker 5: I think I know more.
Speaker 7: By uh.
Speaker 5: I think just you saw Sean Payne. The guy he
Speaker 5: was in New Orleans is the guy he is in Denver.
Speaker 5: And one thing you kind of get with Sean Payne,
Speaker 5: and he's he's a perfectionist. He wants things to be
Speaker 5: done his way, in the right way.
Speaker 9: And and that's and you can tell like that type
Speaker 9: of mindset has kind of changed that culture when you
Speaker 9: talk to like players and from what it was before
Speaker 9: and what it is now, that's you kind of that
Speaker 9: kind of stands out with him the most.
Speaker 5: Like you can tell he wants to change his franchises around.
Speaker 5: He wants to win. Obviously it's going to be the
Speaker 5: process might be longer than he may initially expect it
Speaker 5: given Dever's cap situation, the handful holes they have on
Speaker 5: the roster. Uh, But yeah, that that's who Champagne is.
Speaker 5: Like this guy, he's a guy that really has held
Speaker 5: been on winning and figure it and wants to do
Speaker 5: it the right way. And he's and it's someone like
Speaker 5: he's gonna do He's gonna go over rages on drill,
Speaker 5: it's like a hundred times until he gets it right.
Speaker 5: So that's the type of guy you saw in Denver
Speaker 5: this past year.
Speaker 1: Ryan, do you think that Russell Wilson knows what happened,
Speaker 1: like why it happened, his role in why this happened?
Speaker 5: I would think so because at the end, like Russell Wilson,
Speaker 5: like I said, Russell Wilson put up some solid numbers,
Speaker 5: but you still saw the inconsistencies you could. You still
Speaker 5: saw like the lack of continuity between him and Sean Payton.
Speaker 5: And it's hard to not kind of even though I
Speaker 5: would say this, the whole situation could have been handled
Speaker 5: differently on how he was benched, how it got out
Speaker 5: there when in terms of the contract, I was strongol
Speaker 5: that that could have been handled differently. But you gotta
Speaker 5: I think both sides gout looking at some look at
Speaker 5: themselves in the mirror, including Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: If I said, which Fanchise is in the worst shape
Speaker 1: right now today? Where did the Broncos rank?
Speaker 5: I think that's a good one at this present moment.
Speaker 5: I said they probably they're probably up there because I
Speaker 5: look at this team where I.
Speaker 1: Think it would be down there, not up there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I look at me, Yeah, I look at at
Speaker 5: this team because there's where everyone was looking at the
Speaker 5: quarterback situation. But when you look at this team, you
Speaker 5: got so many holes. You got Lloyd Christian Barry inter
Speaker 5: free agency, and there's a certain thing heat where he's
Speaker 5: going to come back. You still have the You still
Speaker 5: have to address the defensive line because they were that
Speaker 5: that area of the team was inconsistent. There's so many
Speaker 5: things they have to figure out on the roster. You've
Speaker 5: got Dolphins of tackle Garret Poles during his final final
Speaker 5: season and he's set to make twenty million dollars and
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. However, if you decide to release them,
Speaker 5: you could save sixteen million dollars so he could be
Speaker 5: a possible cap casalty and then you're right there. Now
Speaker 5: you got to address who's going to be your future
Speaker 5: at the left tackle. So it's to me, I think
Speaker 5: when you look at when Broncos fans got to look
Speaker 5: at this, it's like, yeah, if you no matter who
Speaker 5: you bring in this quarterback, that's not gonna be the
Speaker 5: quick fix. This is going to take a process. And
Speaker 5: for me, I think the key thing is Sean Payn
Speaker 5: is going to have that patience to let this process
Speaker 5: play out in terms of getting getting the quarterback in there,
Speaker 5: get into right pieces around that quarterback to make this
Speaker 5: a team that can compete in the AOC West.
Speaker 1: Good Luck, Ryan should be fun, it should be thank you.
Speaker 1: That's Ryan been uh, you know, tough to find an
Speaker 1: encore for the first year that you're there in Denver.
Speaker 1: He's the Broncos beat writer for the Denver Post. They're
Speaker 1: a mess. I mean maybe he doesn't want to say
Speaker 1: that on record, but they are. They're a mess today
Speaker 1: and they're a mess. Who else is worse than them?
Speaker 1: Carolina Patriots commanders, I might I might say the Patriots.
Speaker 1: They have absolutely nothing. There's no like, all right, you
Speaker 1: got a new head coach, all right, great, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tune in to watch Gerard Mayo coach on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: You don't have a quarterback, you don't have anything. Go man,
Speaker 1: must you even if you're bad, you still want to
Speaker 1: be relevant. You want to have somebody that you tune
Speaker 1: in to watch. They don't have that, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6: The New York Giants feel worse than the New York Jets.
Speaker 6: The Jets are in bad shape. Daniel Jones is about
Speaker 6: to be jettisoned.
Speaker 5: They don't know that.
Speaker 4: Well, rumors from Richeison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a rumor. But I don't know that.
Speaker 1: What are you going to do at quarterback?
Speaker 4: That they feel like they're in Noman's land, right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, the Jets are pinning their hopes on a
Speaker 1: forty year old quarterback and a coach who hasn't acted
Speaker 1: like a head coach since he's become one.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Jets are a mess too, Carolina is a mess, yeah, Mark.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but you said the operative word hope. The Jets
Speaker 10: have hope. If Analytis comes back and he's even remotely
Speaker 10: close to being an MVP caliber quarterback, they're like, all right,
Speaker 10: because you have good pieces. I feel bad because they
Speaker 10: wasted a really good defensive season last year. Yeah, they
Speaker 10: were losing games seventeen to fourteen.
Speaker 1: Why is it? The Browns made the playoffs and they
Speaker 1: lost their quarterback and they brought in Joe Flacco. That's
Speaker 1: how Kevin Stefanski became coach of the Year. So why
Speaker 1: couldn't Robert Sala somehow bring this team together? Had a
Speaker 1: good deal just you know Cleveland good defense, Jets good defense.
Speaker 1: They had some skilled position guys, you know, good running back,
Speaker 1: good wide receiver, and we saw what happened there, and
Speaker 1: you brought in all these guys. Rogers helped you bring
Speaker 1: in all these guys. Now he wanted guys from Green
Speaker 1: Bay bring him in that was a disaster. You brought
Speaker 1: in your quarterbacks coach Hackett and you're going that didn't work.
Speaker 1: A backup quarterback that you had who couldn't play. But
Speaker 1: he's a friend of Aaron Rodgers. Like it's it was
Speaker 1: a mess, yeah, Mark.
Speaker 10: It's like when Lebron would bring James Jones with him
Speaker 10: wherever he went, but James Jones wasn't playing.
Speaker 1: Yes, James Jones. How many rings did James Jones get?
Speaker 1: Does he have two?
Speaker 7: Three?
Speaker 10: I think he might have not one?
Speaker 1: Okay, James Jones. Yeah, Lebron would bring in his guy.
Speaker 1: Did he bring in like Mike Miller too? Was that
Speaker 1: another guy that Lebron loved to have on the team. Yeah, Poland,
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 4: James Jones with two rings in Miami and one in Cleveland?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right?
Speaker 4: He was in the finals most years most of his career.
Speaker 1: Steat of your day, Bob day, that best stat of
Speaker 1: the day status the day he comes here comes that?
Speaker 1: What stat of the day if he didn't really earn them?
Speaker 1: How much do you show off championship rings?
Speaker 3: Oh? Like?
Speaker 4: Where is the display?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 1: How often does James Jones showcase his any of his
Speaker 1: three years Okay.
Speaker 4: He was in three NBA Finals and one three bens.
Speaker 6: I can't he was on teams that won. Yeah, he
Speaker 6: he appeared in the postseason. He never started a postseason Okay,
Speaker 6: it appears that he did get minutes in a couple
Speaker 6: of different NBA Finals games.
Speaker 4: I mean a couple.
Speaker 1: Okay, But how often would you wear your championship ring?
Speaker 10: Wear it to the reunion?
Speaker 1: Yes, Todd often, as if I was the MVP of
Speaker 1: all you would. So you'd wear one ring on your
Speaker 1: right hand, one on your left, and then you'd wear
Speaker 1: one yeah, around.
Speaker 10: Your not know one would ask me about what my
Speaker 10: contribution was.
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, I was on the team.
Speaker 10: I wouldn't lie about what my contributions, but hopefully wouldn't
Speaker 10: ask me too many questions about what my role was
Speaker 10: those rings.
Speaker 6: Yes, boll did Jeremy Shockey win a ring but not
Speaker 6: play in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4: Wasn't he in the.
Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, he strikes me as a guy
Speaker 1: would wear his ring. I don't think he didn't have
Speaker 1: any any qualms about it back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, there was a dude in the hometown that
Speaker 3: I grew up in, South Amboy, New Jersey. There's a
Speaker 3: dude from the towns from South Dambwood called Ali Clark's
Speaker 3: his name, and he won two rings, one with the
Speaker 3: Indians and one with the Yankees, and he had one
Speaker 3: on every.
Speaker 1: Single day of life.
Speaker 3: And he's sitting at the bar and I came in there,
Speaker 3: he is, look at that ring. It's all worn down.
Speaker 3: But you're damn right, damn right. And I can assure
Speaker 3: you he was not the MVP of those neither of
Speaker 3: those teams. But you're damn right.
Speaker 1: I got it on Pete in Tampa. Good morning Pete.
Speaker 1: What's on your mind today?
Speaker 11: Good morning Dan, a longtime listener, first time caller. Hey,
Speaker 11: I wanted to chime in on where Russell Wilson should go.
Speaker 11: I'm a longtime Viking fan, and I was thinking that
Speaker 11: they let Kirk Cousins go and let Russell Wilson come
Speaker 11: in for a couple of years, and then the Vikings
Speaker 11: go draft a quarterback that they want looks like JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 11: but then it would give him a couple of years
Speaker 11: of sitting maybe, and then he could throw to a
Speaker 11: good receiver. And the Vikings are maybe not on the
Speaker 11: verge of a Super Bowl, but they are in the
Speaker 11: verge of winning.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, that's not out of this world
Speaker 1: to think something like that could happen. If Kirk would
Speaker 1: go to Atlanta, the Vikings could bring somebody in. Not
Speaker 1: going to cost you a lot of money, at least
Speaker 1: the first year. Maybe you do draft a quarterback and
Speaker 1: you say to Russ, you're playing for your next job
Speaker 1: someplace else. Chip on his shoulder, See how he does.
Speaker 1: Got a great head coach, Kevin's great coach, offensive minded
Speaker 1: coach Gary in Scottsdale. Hi, Gary, what's on your mind?
Speaker 7: Yes, mister Patrick, thank you very much for having me
Speaker 7: on five ten, two fifteen. Guys, give the jacket and
Speaker 7: thirty two inch waste and still feel great at sixty
Speaker 7: six years old. All right, Russ when he left Seattle, yep,
Speaker 7: many many teammates came out and said he was not
Speaker 7: a good teammate, too egotistical. More about Russ, they felt
Speaker 7: he was phony. Goes to Denver, first year, has to
Speaker 7: have his own parking space, his own office, and even
Speaker 7: his own coaches. And that first year obviously was a disaster.
Speaker 7: Sean Payton comes in. Sean says, enough of that, that
Speaker 7: stuff's gone. So there's a little riff from the very
Speaker 7: beginning on day one and then in the game where
Speaker 7: Sean gave Russ a verbal beating, if you will. They
Speaker 7: had been working in practice all week long on that
Speaker 7: certain after the first read, wasn't there? There were certain
Speaker 7: checks that were to follow, and Drew Brees was known
Speaker 7: for this, and Ruff did not do that on multiple
Speaker 7: occasions in that game, and Sean that's when he lost it.
Speaker 1: And no, we got it. I don't need a thirty
Speaker 1: for thirty on this. I mean, yes, they weren't on
Speaker 1: the same page. They were never on the same page.
Speaker 10: Yes, Mark, So we're not getting at their thirty on
Speaker 10: the Russell Wilson, I don't.
Speaker 1: He just did. I don't think. I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 3: Thirty's there's baggage there.
Speaker 1: We get it, soliloquy, we got it. You know. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these reads that Drew Brees would
Speaker 1: do in week four in the first half, it's the
Speaker 1: third and fours.
Speaker 10: Marvin, So does Russell like, does he need a Kurt
Speaker 10: Warner like resurgence to get into the Hall of Fame
Speaker 10: or is he already in canon?
Speaker 1: I'm going to say he's not.
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say he's not in the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame yet.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't have great numbers. He does have two
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearances in one Super Bowl win. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's a Hall of Famer right now. If
Speaker 1: it's if the career ended right now as Russell Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, I'd say no.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I think the problem is we can't. We're looking at
Speaker 6: it today as if the vote were today. You know,
Speaker 6: if let's say he retires, but if the vote was today,
Speaker 6: is he a Hall of Famer. He's probably gonna have
Speaker 6: a tough time because of recencydvice. But what's gonna happen
Speaker 6: is the Denver years are gonna fade away years.
Speaker 1: I don't know it'll take. We're in Denver, they don't
Speaker 1: fade away, hopefully don't too many like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we gave up another draft pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how much more of a Hall of famers Pete
Speaker 3: Carroll considering what he accomplished with Russell Wilson as his quarterback,
Speaker 3: that's the question. Yesterday was a crowning of Pete Carroll's greatness.
Speaker 3: Truly possibly them the greatest coach of all time too.
Speaker 7: Soon.
Speaker 1: We are never ever ever getting Russell Wilson on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, one consistently We're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, time. What would Russell have had to do
Speaker 1: this past season where you, if you were on the fence,
Speaker 1: you would lean more towards yes, Hall of Fame? Well,
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, keep your job.
Speaker 4: That could cut me a team, not get.
Speaker 1: Released and have them go. You know how much we
Speaker 1: don't want you to play thirty nine million dollars worth.
Speaker 10: If they went ten and seven and one one playoff game,
Speaker 10: would that be leaning towards the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's you know, I guess that's positive. What
Speaker 1: if I fired you and I said that I was
Speaker 1: going to pay you to work on another show.
Speaker 10: I see your point there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad I was able to dumb it down
Speaker 1: so you could understands. Yeah, okay, how about we take
Speaker 1: a break. Okay, how about come on, let's go, come on,
Speaker 1: let's go, come on, come on now, come on, all right,
Speaker 1: let's ride take a break. All well, here we go
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Speaker 1: for phone calls. What we learn, what's in store tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Let's see poll results. Seaton, Yep, we got.
Speaker 3: A couple of them working today. Daniel, all right, we
Speaker 3: have is how many years does Sean Peyton have now
Speaker 3: to turn things around in Denver?
Speaker 1: Two? Three or four plus?
Speaker 5: You want anything?
Speaker 1: You want to guess, I'm gonna say three, even though
Speaker 1: I said two.
Speaker 3: Three is in second place.
Speaker 1: Two is in first place. Oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: Seventy two percent are given him two years things around
Speaker 3: and cutting Russell Wilson at the cost of eighty five
Speaker 3: million dollars over the next two years.
Speaker 1: Is crazy or worth it?
Speaker 3: Sixty three percent say worth it?
Speaker 1: All right? No they don't.
Speaker 3: They say it's crazy. Wait, is it crazy or worth it?
Speaker 3: It's crazy, it's crazy, crazily not worth it.
Speaker 1: Apparently that's where I wonder if management ownership could have
Speaker 1: got those two together and figured this out, can we
Speaker 1: make this work? How do we make this work? Or
Speaker 1: did Shawn say, look, that's just not the kind of
Speaker 1: quarterback that I want I want to get my own
Speaker 1: guy in here. And it feels that way because Russ
Speaker 1: didn't forget how to play the position. Just feels like
Speaker 1: his confidence level. And then I'm sure Sean did not
Speaker 1: instill a lot of confidence in him, especially when he's
Speaker 1: dressing him down on the sidelines and they have the
Speaker 1: twelfth pick. Overall, let's see Eric in Indiana. Hi, Eric,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 12: Damn, how's it going great? Aka a hot wife? Eric
Speaker 12: from Indiana?
Speaker 13: Yeah, she's still hot. I just had a real quick question.
Speaker 12: Huge, And I've been watching a lot of things about uh.
Speaker 1: Wait, Eric, are you working right now?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 1: Maybe stop working? And I'm cleaning out my garage Dan,
Speaker 1: But I just.
Speaker 13: Thought, yeah, so okay, stop stop for a dagons.
Speaker 12: I'm hearing a lot of things about kid where I
Speaker 12: watched a cup of podcasts and they're saying that Caleb
Speaker 12: Williams dad is kind of like Lonzo Baal's dad.
Speaker 13: I didn't know if that was the case. I just
Speaker 13: thought it was clickbait. But I just wanted to kind
Speaker 13: of run it by you and see if that was
Speaker 13: the case or if you've heard anything like that.
Speaker 1: Well I have, but you know, you could say that
Speaker 1: Archie Manning was that way with Eli Manning. You could
Speaker 1: have a dad who's involved, wants what's best for his son.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams dad, I'm sure is involved in the mix here.
Speaker 1: I understand that we've seen that, We've seen families get involved,
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson's family. Now, there's a lot of money at
Speaker 1: stake here. You want to go to the right place.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you're going to the
Speaker 1: right team and do your due diligence. Now do I
Speaker 1: want Lonzo Ball's dad? No, we haven't heard much from
Speaker 1: him in a long long time. But you have only
Speaker 1: one is LaMelo the only one playing right now.
Speaker 4: Lonzo's on the injured list.
Speaker 1: He's been on the I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: play against Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, like Caleb Williams dad, I've heard lots of stories too,
Speaker 6: and lots of rumors. But his son also got to
Speaker 6: the place where he's the number one pick in the draft,
Speaker 6: So something had to be going pretty well during the
Speaker 6: development process.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 1: This day in sports.
Speaker 6: History, let's see just a couple Dan, you got nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty four NFL teams purchased ed sables, Blair motion pictures.
Speaker 4: That's what they changed the name to NFL Films.
Speaker 6: That's right, Dan nineteen ninety three sprinter Ben Johnson, already
Speaker 6: busted once, decides to cheat again and his banned for.
Speaker 4: Life by the AAU.
Speaker 6: Nineteen ninety four, Blank became the third player in NBA
Speaker 6: history to get nine hundred career three pointers. Blank of
Speaker 6: the Washington Bullets at the time. Short Guy became the
Speaker 6: third Gladham's A Crime and nineteen ninety six fun team
Speaker 6: Here the Dallas Mavericks attempted forty nine three pointers in
Speaker 6: the game for the fifth straight game that mash Burn
Speaker 6: and those guys what year was saying?
Speaker 4: Ninety six? Master, Jimmy Jackson.
Speaker 1: Mashburn, Jake Kidd, Jay Kid wasn't shooting then?
Speaker 10: Random like George McCloud.
Speaker 1: Oh, George mclown. Yeah. On this date in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 1: two Yankee pitchers announced that they were trading their wives.
Speaker 1: The trade also included each couple's children and family dogs.
Speaker 1: Mike Kekech and Fritz Peterson. I think they're making a
Speaker 1: movie out of this, or I think Matt Damon and
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck I, if I'm not mistaken, maybe option the
Speaker 1: rights for this, but this is a real story. Like
Speaker 1: they traded their families, they traded their wives, they traded
Speaker 1: their dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a little awkward when there's like two
Speaker 3: groups of friends that you have, like two couples, and
Speaker 3: then they independently break up, and then a few years later,
Speaker 3: like two of them start hooking up, and you're like, oh, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: what's happening. But this is way way way pass even
Speaker 3: just the hooking up things like oh, you guys are
Speaker 3: dating now, this feels weird.
Speaker 1: That's way different than like, oh, and I have your
Speaker 1: dog too. Who initiates that conversation between these two pictures? Hey, Mike,
Speaker 1: what fritz?
Speaker 7: Mmm?
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about Jam lately.
Speaker 1: I like your wife, Ja, Yeah, you're Jam. I like
Speaker 1: your wife.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on Billy and Sally as kids?
Speaker 1: Okay? What do you think of my kids? And what
Speaker 1: do you think of our golden retriever?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: I like them? Okay, do you want to trade? Wait,
Speaker 1: we're gonna swap wives, kids, and the dog.
Speaker 9: I think it's called Swingers for the Fences is the movie?
Speaker 1: I knew there was a reason why I had you
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