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Those are just some of the headlines. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.480 There was also a story. It's a story that I 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.600 brought up. I have mentioned it. I've sprinkled it in 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.520 a couple of times. Jay Williams, former Duke Star, he's 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.400 an analyst at the Mothership, and he was asked about 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.440 Caitlin Clark and he said, well, you can't be the 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.240 goat until you win championships. And this is a couple 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.360 of weeks ago. And then he even said that don't 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:30.920 I don't consider her great yet. And well, Jim Beheim, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.720 the syric former Syracuse head coach, had this to say 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.440 about those comments. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.800 You know, and then somebody comes out, some experts, says, well, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.400 she hasn't won a championship. If I ever see that guy, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.080 just punch him. Unless he's really big. I won't deal 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:51.040 with if he's a big But these people, where are they? 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.080 How do they even get jobs saying stuff like that? 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.600 You know, you should there shouldn't be certain things you 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.280 say that disqualifies you from ever being on rape or 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:01.160 TV again. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.840 Okay, that's Jim beahun get off my lawn guy. By 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.120 the way, Jim, I think you're taller than Jay Williams. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.040 I think Beaheim's around six y four. Jay Williams around 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.360 six to two, so he is taller than Jay. But 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.519 I don't know if Jim's going to be punching anybody. Yeah, 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:19.639 I'm pretty sure. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.880 Jay Williams has been critical of Syracuse in the past. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:27.280 You think I'm positive, Okay, but he's your coach, knows 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.160 exactly who he is. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.480 You quite short. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.320 That's a classic move. Yeah, not sure who said it is? 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.240 Well, Okay. Jay Williams grew up in this culture, this 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.760 social media culture of hot takes, and that's what he's 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.920 tried to do since he's been at ESPN. He tries 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.760 too hard sometimes. You know, he's a bright guy, knowledgeable guy, 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.760 but sometimes that's not good enough or you don't feel 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.239 it's good enough, Like I gotta say something. I want 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.680 somebody to say my name. I know he got upset 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.720 at me when he did an interview and he talked 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:01.520 about when he was with the Bulls some of his 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:06.519 teammates got high at halftime, and I said, that's really irresponsible. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.800 Now we're looking at who are the guys who were 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.920 actually getting high. There's only twelve names or eleven names 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.119 where you're going Were you getting high? Were you getting high? 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:20.000 And then Jay got upset through another person that I know, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.919 we know, and I was told that he was not pleased. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:24.520 I said, let him come on the air. I have 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.720 no problem. I'd call him out. Said it was wrong. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.280 You're going to say that about your teammates that were 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.880 you getting high at halftime? And this I mean to 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.600 say that Caitlin Clark is not great. You're going to 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.000 get attention, You're going to get clicks. That's what this 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.560 is all about. That's the game. That's what everybody is 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.840 trying to do, get clicks with hot takes. We don't 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.160 do it. I'll never do it. If I believe something 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.119 I tell you, but I'm not here to go. Hey, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.800 feel free to criticize me on social media, just make 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.760 sure that you mentioned my name. But that's the game. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.240 That's what people do. People look and see, all right, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.000 who is successful? I want to emulate them, And a 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.360 lot of those have to do with people are hot 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.640 takes artists. I get it. It's just not so. I 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.000 just don't believe that everybody believes when they're telling you 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.120 something like do you really believe that? Or you're just 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.680 saying that? And I think there's a lot of that 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.919 that goes on and maybe does Jay really think that 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.480 Caitlyn Clark is not great? Does he think Angel Reese 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.760 is better than Caitlyn Clark? Does you know angel Reese 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.839 won the title last year? I mean, is that how 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.600 silly this is going to sound? Oh, she did all 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.680 those things. She's one of the you know, she's the 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.799 leading scorer and what's sixth all time and assists women's 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.160 basketball And somehow she's not great because she didn't want 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.600 it's on to it. She took that team to the 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.800 title game, but somehow she's not great. If you don't 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.240 want to say she's the greatest of all time, that's fine, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.479 you know, that's open to discussion. But if we're going 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.440 to go by winning titles, this, this is how the 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.200 argument ends. Breonna Stewart won four titles at Yukon and 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.920 was my most valuable player, most outstanding player all four years. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.479 That's perfection right there. Nobody can argue with that, right, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.440 but we will, Yeah, we did to some degree. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.160 Yesterday though, spend time talking about how rings are more 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:27.320 valuable than individual accomplishments for Lebron. Correct, only Lebron, Oh, 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.919 it's only Lebron specific for everybody else. It's individual not rings. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.800 No, we were talking about Lebron, right right, and would 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.520 you rather have didn't bring up If you bring up 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.520 somebody else, then we can apply that. Now, I'm saying, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.440 Lebron all time leading score, forty thousand points, would he 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.920 give up being the all time leading score for two 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.440 more titles? That was all we talked about. I didn't 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.440 bring anybody else in, so it doesn't just apply to Lebron. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.560 That was the only person we talked about. Yeah, but 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.080 we will. Yeah. I mean I if there's somebody else 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.000 and you say, well, would you rather have that or 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.320 you have that, then we could discuss that. But you know, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.320 does Tom Brady want to get another Super Bowl but 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.560 he has to give up something? You know, that's a discussion. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.400 But Lebron was the prime example because he has all 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.680 these points, But would he give that up for you know, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.480 third leading score of all time and you get two 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.000 more titles or one more title? And I think he 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:22.080 would gladly do that. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:22.360 Yeah. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.360 I went back and watched a clip of Jay Williams 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.760 originally talking about Kaitlyn Clark. This is almost a month ago, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.240 and there's a mix of topics there. They were discussing 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.120 her greatness, and they're discussing is she the greatest of 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.520 all time? And at different parts in the conversation, Jay saying, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.600 I save greatest for all of all time for guys 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.839 like Joe Montana or Tom Brady, you know, like like 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:43.600 a Dan Marino couldn't be the greatest of all time, 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.760 even though ability wise he might be her performance wise 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.600 he might be. And he was trying to say that 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.120 because she didn't win a title, because Iowa hasn't won 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.360 a title led by Kaitlyn Clark, he has to hold 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.200 her back from the single greatest of all player with 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:56.800 great of all time? 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.599 Well, we just said she wasn't great. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.279 Well, the conversation. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.719 Started morphing and moving along, and he said he goes, 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.480 I reserve greatness for those who win titles, and that 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.120 was also pulled. So he did say it, but it 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.600 kind of originated with the all time greatest play. 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.360 If you don't want to call her the greatest of 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.080 all time, yeah, let's find that's open to discussion. There 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.040 are a lot of wonderful players. But if you are 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.920 saying she's not great because she hasn't won a title, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.280 then that's ignorant. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.520 Yes, it feels like there's I don't think it's semantics, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.920 but there's some kind of like line here that people 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.840 are it's sort of going back and forth on where right, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.080 like the conversation where this is what we were talking about 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.280 when the conversation happened where he said the greatest of 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.160 all time and for him, you have to have a 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.440 ring to be the greatest of all time, and that's 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.960 morphed into she's He said that she's not great, and 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.320 I don't know that that's necessarily the case. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.600 I thought there's a quote where he says, I don't 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:52.760 consider her great. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.760 If i'm he's a reserve greatness for those who win titles. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.400 Okay, so therefore she's not great. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.720 Correct, that's what he's saying. But it originated with the 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.560 greatest of all time. It kind of for me is 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.320 like discussing Tom Brady a couple of years ago. If 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.040 your greatest of all time is resume tom Brady has it, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.360 it's really not even a discussion to be had. But 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:14.760 if if you said the grace of all the time 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.960 is who is the greatest at playing the position of quarterback? 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.920 I may still side with a Montana or or even 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.720 Steve Young over because that's a different argument. It's the 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.720 your definition of great in the moment of your discussion. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.400 But Lebron has won four titles and he has all 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.640 the stants right, he fits both categories of what Jay 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.200 Williams is talking about. That would make Lebron the greatest 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:39.680 of all time. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.080 Or if you said, if I were going to start 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.679 my team with any player in history, would it be Lebron. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.319 James or Michael Jordan? 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.480 Right, and you'd probably I think Dan would take Michael Jordan. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.880 Right, I would. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.880 I would pause with that because of longevity. Yes, you've 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.160 got a factor in Lebron has made you relevant. A 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.360 title can tend for twenty years. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.200 Okay, how about this question. I'll change a question. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:09.719 Okay, who is the best you've ever seen at playing basketball? 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:11.480 The name that. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.600 You'd throw out there, the best you've ever seen at 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.240 playing the sport where he was the best at all 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:16.719 parts of. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:17.200 The game. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.280 Might be Bill Walton. One year. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.720 Offensive defense, he was spectacular. How about for a career though, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.240 because like if Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:28.400 while scoring thirty. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.240 Two Yeah, well, I know you want me to say 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.080 Michael Jordan, I think, But I think that with that. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.480 But you know, I saw Bird do a three year 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.480 window where he went back to back to back with 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.920 MVPs and average would have averaged the triple close to 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:41.640 triple double. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.280 He Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.640 Yeah, you have to, like I have to be fair 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.360 to these guys. You know, is Mike the guy that 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.160 you won on your team to win a game? Yes, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.400 he'd be the guy that I want. But I think 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.920 I think we get tripped up sometimes how you say 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.360 something what is being said? Like what is the actual 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.679 question there? And that's where you go, Oh, I don't know. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:03.680 I would take. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.760 Yes, because the headline you just wrote said Michael Jordan 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.200 not the greatest player of all time. Yeah, yes, and 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.160 that's Dan Patrick said Michael Jordan's not great and give 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.280 it and give it three hours. And that's what the 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.520 internet is going to say. You just said Michael Jordan's 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.880 not as good as Larry. If I was on ESPN, 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.599 then that would happen. But no, it's not going to 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.680 happen with this show because people aren't like picking and 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.760 choosing something and then grabbing a headline. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:34.040 And they said this on ESPN, and but once again 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.200 this is what happened. This is the media now. It's 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.840 like I got to get you. There's so many different outlets. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.640 I got to get somebody to go, oh my god, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.319 do you see this? And then all of a sudden, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.280 you're like, let me click. And that's what the game. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.200 The game is about clicks. And that's why I tell 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.640 my broadcasting students in Orlando, you know, make sure if 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.080 you have a hot take, that you have a whole 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.360 lot of information that backs up your hot take, not 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.280 just hey, let me throw this out there. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.199 Yes, I did this whole conversation to me, isn't unlike 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.520 Gilbert Arena said, Europeans should never have been allowed to 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:10.120 play basketball, Europeans ruined the game. Well, it's not really 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.000 in the context of a discussion, I was saying that 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:13.679 defense and. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.120 Yeah, we had Gilbert Arenas on a former NBA player 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.720 and he said he was being sarcastic when he said, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.360 you don't want to know how we got to this 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.960 style in the NBA. It's because of the Europeans. And 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.400 he said, you know, they don't play defense, they're not athletic, 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.240 and the rules allow you to you can't be physical. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.400 But he said he was being sarcastic. But if you 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.160 just saw the headline, which is what I saw the headline, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.400 read the article, and I said to Fritzy, we should 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.880 let Gilbert try to explain this because it certainly seems 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.760 like he's xenophobic here, yeah, poem. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.880 And this all comes down to a lot of social 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.439 media sites. A lot of websites cut and paste parts 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.480 of quotes and they take it purposely out of context 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.480 to get more clicks. So while Jay Williams may have 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.640 been more clear, if you listen to his entire ten 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.960 minute back and forth with the guys, the sports illustrator, 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.679 whatever place would take it, chop it up, post it. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.280 So you engage your articles without giving you at all contexts. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.000 Yeah, and that's why we try to have people on 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.600 if they do say something, to give them that opportunity 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.640 for context, or we try to provide context. Don't do 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.920 it all the time, don't do it well all the time, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.520 but at least that is that's our thought process. Context. 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.600 Rich Eisen has a headline where rich Eisen says the 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.640 giants basically are moving want to move on from Daniel Jones, 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.360 or they've given up on Daniel Jones. Now I don't 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.360 know what that means. But I saw the headline and 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.080 people will click on that. Mike Florio said, Hey, strong 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.840 indications are kirk Cousins is going to move his family 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.920 to Atlanta, where his wife is from. That led to 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.480 a lot of speculation. Now, according to DraftKings, the Atlanta 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.880 Falcons are the favorites for kirk Cousins at quarterback. You 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.080 see how that plays out. You know, I was told 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.080 the Giants might be in the market for a with 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.760 their draft pick, and I'm one, huh, And I thought, well, 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.760 I can't imagine that with you just paid Danny Dimes. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.480 But Rich Eisen said that he had heard at the combine. 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.840 If you see the headline there with Rich, it's that 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:19.080 they're basically moving on from Daniel Jones or they want to. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:25.200 So I don't know what exactly that means. The same 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.439 organization that gave him all this money and signed him 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.199 up and you know, made Saquon Barkley beg to get 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.760 a contract, then that now they're going to move on 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.720 from him, Like what what did you see he got injured? 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:38.000 Did you? 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.160 Was it? You know, the passing pison, the Tommy de 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.320 Vito And that's why you want to move on from 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.439 Danny Dimes. Now you want to move on from him. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.600 So I don't know what Rich is saying there, if 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.360 they're going to use that, whether they have the sixth 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.520 pick overall, if they're going to use that on a quarterback. So, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.280 here are a lot of things. When you go to 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.600 the combine, you hear a lot of things. There's a 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.760 lot of agendas there too. You know what I'm hearing. Uh, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:12.079 you're just hearing that. Yeah, okay, you got a source, Well, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.960 got to protect him, Okay, you trust his source? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.080 what are they saying? That's how it works, you know 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.440 what I heard. You know, it's the game of telephone. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.120 If I tell Marvin something, Marvin tells Fritzy, Fritzy tells Paulli, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.280 Paully tells Seaton. By the time he gets the seat, 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.320 and it'll be completely different. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.040 But it'll feel like fact. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.600 It will. It'll be like you have, you know, three 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.080 different sources that tell me. Well, all it is is 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.800 somebody repeating something to somebody who repeats it to you. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.480 That's not sources. But that's the tricky game that we 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.440 play every single day when it comes to stories. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:46.720 There. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.800 So Caitlin Clark is great, she might not be the 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.800 greatest of all time? Is that where we're going to 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:52.640 land the plane? Here? 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:54.080 Eye of the beholder? 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:54.480 Okay? 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.280 And Jim Beheim may punch Jay Williams if he sees it. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.440 Not okay, game Day said my game Day? 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.680 Doesn't Jay Williams or Game Day. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.160 All right, we'll take a break. We'll check in with 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.040 the Broncos. Now, what do you do? Ryan Leaf was 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.080 with us last hour, and Ryan said, Hey, this may 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.000 be more about the quarterback or the coach than the 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.280 quarterback here that this may be about Sean Payton's ego 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.600 and not necessarily Russell Wilson's production. But we'll see what 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.400 other plans they may have out in Denver right after 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.360 this Dan Patrick Show, be sure to catch the live 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.320 edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.000 Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.560 iHeartRadio w app. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.280 Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:43.880 Would mean a lot to have you join us on 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.400 our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.640 is the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.320 off of it. Ben Maler Show a cult hit overnights 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.720 on FSR. Why should you listen? Picture if you will 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.560 a world will we chat with captains of industry in media, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.160 sports and more every week sport, some amazing facts about 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.680 human nature and more. Listen to the Fifth Hour with 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.520 Ben Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:08.520 you get your podcasts. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.680 More phone calls coming up. You know, I can't help 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.600 but think back to when Atlanta could have could have 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.560 traded two first round picks for Lamar Jackson and what 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.400 could have been? Could you imagine Lamar Jackson with the Falcons? 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.400 Anybody could have made that trade. Remember nobody wanted to 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.640 give up two first round picks. Then you had to 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:34.320 pay uh Lamar Jackson, Lamar has an MVP season. You 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:41.680 imagine Lamar and Bijon Pitts London. Yeah, that would have 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:42.200 been awesome. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:43.600 All right. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:44.920 Stat of the Day brought to. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.680 You by like the Falcons in here? What do we 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.480 don't catch it strapping? 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.640 I don't know why that came up. You know that 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.480 here's this Kirk Cousin's going to be going there, justin 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.080 Field's going there, or you know, Baker Mayfield gone there. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.440 Stat of the Day brought to you by a Penny America, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.560 the official trading cards to the Dan Patrick Show. Ryan 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.040 McFadden just completed his first season covering the Broncos for 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.440 the Denver Post. Used to work for the Ravens covering 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.280 the Baltimore Sun, so you had stability with the Ravens, 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.199 great organization and then you go to Denver and what 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.080 a great year they gave you. Ryan, How have you survived? 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.040 It's been It's been pretty It's been pretty crazy. But 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:26.399 I'll say that Sean Payne stuff is. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:31.240 All busy, all right, help me understand how big a 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.560 surprise was this that Russ was going to be released? 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.359 I would say this it was. It was a bit 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.640 of a surprise, espelically how it happened because after after 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.800 the New England game, they were even though like their 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.840 playoffs their playoff oz went down drastically after the loss 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.080 to the Patriots, they were still mathematically in it. So 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.399 making that type of move for a quarterback who was 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.760 having a modest season in the midst of you know, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.680 trying to it's a playoff course, was on a surprising. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.600 But if you as as a season progressed like you 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.560 can tell, like Sean Payton and Russell Wilson kind of 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.840 never like it there. It never jailed, and I think 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.200 when you look at it, even even though Russ had 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.960 statistically had better numbers compared to the year before under 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.399 Nathaniel Hackett, but Payton had issues in terms of, like, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:20.840 you know, I had to trim down the offense to 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.720 help Russ, you know, get it in and out the 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.440 huddle execu his the goal. The goal to goal execution 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.000 wasn't up to Peyton's standards. So at the end of 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.080 the day, I think it looks like this move is 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.080 more of I think Denver knows that they're going to 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.960 take a huge cat hit doing this, but it's more 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.119 of Payton saying this is not going to be my 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.280 guy for the foreseeable feature. So let's just go our 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.560 separate rays right now, avoid paying him and pay him 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.680 to guarantee money of thirty seven million dollars to twenty 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.679 twenty five unless see I can find my guy that 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.320 I want to bring it in. Because remember, Russell Wilson wasn't 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.520 Sean Payn's guy. Sean Payton walked into Denver with Russell 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.520 Wilson's the quarterback now out, Sean Payton can go out 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.040 there and find it, find his guy. So at this 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.359 point where I think Russell Wilson could still be a 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.200 quality quarterback in the NFL, and I think his market, 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.560 he's gonna have a strong market. But that's pressure on 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.040 Denver and Sean Payne to get this right. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.120 Okay, So who's Sean Payton's gone. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.600 That's that's that's the question everyone wants to know. I 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.840 think when you look at this draft, there's two guys 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.159 that stick out to me that kind of fits with 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.439 Sean Payne's looking for in the offense in terms of 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:33.359 Organ's bow Nicks and Michigan's j JJ McCarthy. During the combine, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.040 the Broncos did their due diligist with the quarterbacks. They 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.800 interview had formal interviews with every top prospect, including uh 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.440