1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 2: Joining us right now is Brad Lander. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: He's New York City's comptroller and former may oral candidate 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: who actually cross endorsed Mandani during the primary election. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Great to have you here, Brad. Great to be here. 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: I'll get right to the brass tacks here. 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: I mean, when we talk about some of the fears 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: in this city about Mamdani. We've heard it from Wall Street, 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: We've heard it from the real estate investors, we've heard 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: it from the business community. Will he actually be good 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: for this city's finances. 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: I think he's going to be great for the sense 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 3: of the city having a diverse, creative energy and looking forward. 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: Andrew Cuomo has run this sour, dark, backward looking everything 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: is terrible campaign. 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: Anyone would want to start a business in that city. 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: But the hopeful one where things get more affordable, where 19 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 3: people are still able to come here, I think they will. 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: He's going to put a solid team together. I think 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: business leaders will end up thinking, I don't remember what 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: it was as we were so worried about. 23 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: What's the balance though, between sort of carrying out some 24 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: of his policies to create affordable housing and free bussing 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: and other policies that effectively are going to cost money 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: and at the same time sort of at least support 27 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: policies that are going to be conducive to people starting businesses, 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: building buildings, etc. 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's use childcare as an example. So that's 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: the place where Governor Hochal and mayors are on are kind. 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: Of best united. 32 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: That's great for businesses. Yes, there has to be a 33 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: little more money to pay for it, but if you 34 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: see what you're getting is that your employees have a safe, 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: high quality place for their two and three year olds. 36 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: That shows up in business productivity very quickly. It means 37 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: your employees feel like they can afford to stay here 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: instead of moving someplace else. You got to show you 39 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: can deliver it, that it's cost effective, that it's worth 40 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: the money being paid. 41 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: But I think that's a win win. 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned safety, and actually we sat down with 43 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 4: Eugene rem of Catch Hospitality Group last week. We asked 44 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: him about the race. He said he really cares about 45 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: safety at the end of the day. And to that point, 46 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: Soaron mom Donnie has said that he would keep Jessica 47 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: Tish to have her stay on as police commissioner if 48 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: he is elected. Do you think that that's the right choice. 49 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: I do. I you know, I said in during the primary, 50 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: I was the first candidate to say I would ask 51 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: Jesse Tish to stay on board, and I'm delighted that's 52 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: are on his setate as well. 53 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: Let's game plan a little bit here. We were talking 54 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: about potential outcomes in the break. So let's say that 55 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 4: zoron Mam Donnie wins, but only wins with a plurality, 56 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: doesn't get more than fifty percent of the vote. What 57 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 4: do you think that that means for his agenda going forward? 58 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: Look, I do think after the race, by however much 59 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: he wins, it's critical for New Yorkers to come back together. 60 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: This race has been so full of vitriol. I mean, 61 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: Andrew Cuomo's worst self is a very dark place, and 62 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: we've been seeing more and more of it, and he's 63 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: just stoked fear mongering in a way that has people 64 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: on edge. So what I hope is that the mayor 65 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: elect will bring people back together and say, hey, folks, 66 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: whether you voted for me or didn't vote for me, 67 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to work hard to keep you safe. That 68 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: vision of childcare is for you and your families. Let's 69 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: heal some of the things that were broken. Donald Trump 70 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: is coming for us, and we got to all respond together. 71 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: Also the Katie's point, though, I mean, when we talk 72 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: about Tis staying on as commissioner, there's been a lot 73 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: of discussion about who Mom Donnie is going to put 74 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: around him. There's, of course, one of the big knocks 75 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: that Cuomo, as Lisa's tried to sort of levy his way, 76 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: is the idea that he doesn't have the experience to 77 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: manage a city of this size and complexity here. Do 78 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: you have any sense as to what that team is 79 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: going to look like? 80 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: Well, look, I think people are going to get information 81 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: on that pretty quickly. And what I'll say, you're going 82 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: to be on the team, I think people will get 83 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: information on that pretty quickly. 84 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I think a lot better. 85 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: The people that are going to want to work for 86 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: Zoran are energetic or excited about it, have hope in 87 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: the future of the city. No one wants to work 88 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: for Andrew Cuomo, So this idea that it would be 89 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: better to have him, I mean, he's an abusive boss, 90 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: whereas Zaurn. It's going to set the table in a 91 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: way that says, hey, we get to write the next chapter, 92 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: focus on affordability, stand up to Trump. I think it's 93 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: going to be a first rate team. 94 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: Do you think the city and meaning the people in 95 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: power in the city are going to cooperate with them? 96 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: The business leaders, the police, unions, et cetera, et cetera. 97 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: Look, I mean it's a city in which people got 98 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: a lot of opinions and they feel strongly but they 99 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: love We love New York City, and that's a pretty 100 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: profound feeling. So I just I really do hope even 101 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: folks who don't voters are on tomorrow will say, how 102 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: can we work together to actually make it work? Everyone 103 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 3: benefits from a more affordable, from a safer from a 104 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: more inclusive city. 105 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: Well, Brad, let's try to get at your future plans 106 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: through a different way. Are you planning to run for 107 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 4: Congress in the tenth district? Are you waiting to see 108 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 4: how tomorrow show? 109 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: So for today, I'm really focused on helpings or on 110 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: when tomorrow, on making sure these affordable housing ballot propositions 111 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: pass tomorrow, which people aren't talking about but are a 112 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: big deal for building more housings through tomorrow and the 113 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: bulls close, I'm going to stay focused on helping make 114 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: sure those things happen well. 115 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 4: With that in mind, talk us through what the next 116 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 4: twenty four plus hours look like for you, because I 117 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: have to imagine this as a sprint to the finish. 118 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: Oh. We started today at six am with a Zoron 119 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: and a crew of us walking across the Brooklyn Bridge. 120 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: Poles open at six am tomorrow they go till nine pm. 121 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: It's really important that everyone comes out to vote. Most 122 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: people don't even know about those housing, those pro housing 123 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: ballot propositions. So I'll be out at polesite saying, hey, 124 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: here's an opportunity for you to vote for more affordable 125 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: housing to get built. We'll bring it home all the 126 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: way till they close at nine pm, and then we'll 127 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: get to be together and celebrate the results. 128 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a very loaded question here, Brad, 129 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: and this has to do with your campaign and why 130 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: it didn't succeed. There's been a lot of talk about 131 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: this sort of being a litmus test for progressivism or 132 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: whatever the Democratic Party is trying to be here. Why 133 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: did Zoron bubble up out of nowhere for a lot 134 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: of people people like you did. 135 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: Cuomo's behind in the polls and Adams is out of 136 00:05:59,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: the race. 137 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, look well, I mean Adams sold our city out 138 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: first to Turkey and then to Trump, and people are 139 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: tired of corruption. Cuomo came in with big leadership in 140 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: name recognition, but ran a sour, backward looking race. I 141 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: ran the campaign maybe you could say, of the guy 142 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: that does the homework, and that wasn't what voters were 143 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: excited by. Zoran ran a campaign that inspired and excited people, 144 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: that focused on affordability, that offer something new and hopeful 145 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: in a dark time.