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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Hell, it's still live on a reaction Monday editiative Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Browns Daily.

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Speaker 3: I am merely Bo.

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Speaker 2: He is the great Z thirty one Titans, twenty nine Browns.

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Speaker 3: It's really two.

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Speaker 2: Different ways of talking about the game, I think, and

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Speaker 2: we can talk about I mean, we're going plenty of

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Speaker 2: time here the Hoffel Jonas at four o'clock. We'll get

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Speaker 2: into all of it. You'll hear from coach Tefanski. There's

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Speaker 2: two things to look at. Some of the things that

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Speaker 2: resulted in the loss are obviously negative things that have

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Speaker 2: been continuing to be a problem all season long. But

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Speaker 2: I do think that the headliner, and I'm in a

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Speaker 2: relatively good mood on a Monday, is the play of

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Speaker 2: the quarterback and Shadour Sanders week to week to week

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Speaker 2: has gotten better and better and better. And what he

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Speaker 2: was in the when he was thrust into action with

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Speaker 2: the injury to Dylan all that time ago to what

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Speaker 2: he is now or two completely different things. It's remarkable

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Speaker 2: to watch what he just picks up week to week

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Speaker 2: now it's been early's there's some stuff you want back.

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Speaker 2: You can't just throw it into the middle of the field, obviously,

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Speaker 2: and on a second down that leads to an interception.

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Speaker 2: But as we have said, and folks, if you go

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Speaker 2: back to January and February when z did the breakdown,

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Speaker 2: he is one of the best natural throwers of the football.

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Speaker 2: He was one of the best natural throwers of football

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Speaker 2: in this draft, probably the best natural throw the football

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Speaker 2: in this draft. We talked about it in July and August.

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Speaker 2: His ability to layer throws in coverage, to his touch

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Speaker 2: on the deep and intermediate balls, they're all elite. All

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Speaker 2: of those things are elite, and so you don't get

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Speaker 2: the result that you want. There's a million things to

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Speaker 2: pick apart. But I do think when we go back

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Speaker 2: to the shows that we had last week, and I

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Speaker 2: asked you and Hoff and I said, well, what do

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Speaker 2: you need to see that what do you want to

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Speaker 2: be accomplished here the last month? Because you know you're

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Speaker 2: not making the postseason, and all we need to know.

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Speaker 2: What's the most critical thing to know is the same

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Speaker 2: thing that was critical to know in July. Do we

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Speaker 2: have an answer at quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Yep? That's it.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 5: And you know, Shador was a guy that based on

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Speaker 5: the tape alone, I wanted to take him at two.

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Speaker 3: I mean that was well documented. To go back listen

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Speaker 3: to any of it.

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Speaker 5: Now, I didn't know all the other things that led

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Speaker 5: to him, you know, falling a little bit in the draft.

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Speaker 3: But what I do know is.

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Speaker 5: You got a guy here who can absolutely make any

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Speaker 5: throw and who's getting better week to week. After the

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Speaker 5: Ravens game, it was like, all right, we can't be

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Speaker 5: running out of the back of the pocket and taking

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Speaker 5: those bad sex. Guess what he's he's pretty much eliminated that.

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Speaker 5: Coming off of that Niners game, it was we need

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Speaker 5: you to be able to rip the ball more into

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Speaker 5: the middle of the field, be confident when it's there

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Speaker 5: in the middle of the field. Well, in the middle

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Speaker 5: of the field in this game, and in the middle

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Speaker 3: I want the middle.

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Speaker 5: He goes three for three for sixty one at the

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Speaker 5: with a one oh one hundred and one point three rating.

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Speaker 5: From zero to nine yards in the air and from

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Speaker 5: to focus on that, and he did that. And what

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Speaker 5: is a Titans team. This wasn't a slouch defense. Like, no,

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Speaker 5: this is not a bit, this was not a tear.

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Speaker 5: This is like this was the bottom of the league

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Speaker 5: was under pressure on sixty four percent of his dropbacks.

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Speaker 3: He handled the blitz well.

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Speaker 5: But when he was kept clean in this game, eleven

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Speaker 5: He is working, as I said, the middle of the

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Speaker 5: field effectively from ten to nineteen. That's where quarterbacks, you know,

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Speaker 5: thinking that, you know what, obviously wanted to win it badly,

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Speaker 5: But if you weren't gonna win, and you could come

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Speaker 3: So we said at the beginning of.

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Speaker 5: The year, right that this is a lottery ticket, and

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking of a lottery ticket. I'm thinking of a

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Speaker 5: scratch off where you got to get three of a kind.

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Speaker 6: I like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like we've got two of them scratch

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Speaker 5: And now we scratched the upper left corner of the third,

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Speaker 5: and it looks like it could be there. It looks like, man,

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Speaker 5: that's kind of the same pattern as those other two.

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Speaker 5: Oh baby, But yep, we're not gonna be able to

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Speaker 5: scratch it off till we see I think that the

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Speaker 5: you're talking about a Chicago team that's gonna be coming

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Speaker 5: off of a loss in Lambeau, that's playing fighting for

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Speaker 3: They went from the one to the seven. Yep, by

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Speaker 3: losing that game.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about a Bills team that's gonna be fighting

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Speaker 5: continue to improve, and there are gonna be mistakes, Look,

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Speaker 5: you try to do too much on the interception, no question,

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Speaker 5: but his ball placement, his recognition. I thought the quickness

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Speaker 5: I thought he played well. I mean, listen what I'm

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Speaker 5: going to just facts. Facts. This is only the second

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Speaker 5: rookie quarterback game since nineteen seventy with three hundred and

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Speaker 5: seven for cincinnat against US. That was the Bake the

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Speaker 5: Donovan People's job walkoff. He also lost that game, which

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Speaker 5: is ironic. He's the only quarterback in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 5: four touchdowns and fewer than two interceptions. He also became

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Speaker 5: the first Browns quarterback to ever do this three hundred

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Speaker 5: only other quarterback since the year two thousand to have

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Speaker 5: four completions of more than fifty yards in their first

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Speaker 2: That is the biggest differentiator, and he's in this sense,

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Speaker 2: he plays it much more similarly to the way that

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Speaker 2: Flacco and Jamis played it than the way that Dylan

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Speaker 2: are downfield, and if you don't give up on routes,

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Speaker 2: and we were early in the season, we had a

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Speaker 2: oh no, he's throwing it like that's it opens the

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Speaker 3: That's a big problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, let's say positively noise. But his ability

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Speaker 2: and then his willingness to rip it deep is I mean,

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Speaker 3: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: And I just think like where he's come from that

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Speaker 2: Dylan went down, to where he was in his first

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Speaker 2: And now he's there and now Kevin today and we'll

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Speaker 2: let the full presser for you here in a second,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Today saying he's the starting quarterback for the rest

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Speaker 2: of the way. And this goes back to a conversation

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Speaker 2: at the time it was picked until you'd seen enough,

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Speaker 3: And the reality is that we want to see more

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Speaker 5: He was the one guy that we thought, even if

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Speaker 5: he had the upside to be that guy. Now, if

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Speaker 5: you remember the Steelers game. Dylan Gabriel got hit seventeen

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Speaker 5: He is willing to stare down the barrel. That was

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Speaker 5: notes and I said that in my notes from Colorado

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Speaker 5: he will stare down the barrel and throw the football

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Speaker 5: knowings he get creamed. And he did it and was

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Speaker 5: still able to make some great throws, I thought, And I,

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Speaker 5: like cam Ward, thought he looked every bit as good.

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Speaker 5: I actually thought he looked better than cam Ward in

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Speaker 5: this game. Now, Kim Warden has a war supporting cast

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Speaker 5: significantly so, and he made some big time throws in

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Speaker 5: this game as well. But it certainly looked like and

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Speaker 5: let's not forget Kim Wards started the whole season. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know, Shador has made such strides and this was

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Speaker 5: one where like at the end, he kind of had

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Speaker 5: to let it rip, and he leads a touchdown drive

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Speaker 5: unfortunately not we didn't get those two point conversions. But

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Speaker 5: he he did everything you needed him to do in

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Speaker 5: those in this game, and he yes, the interception was bad.

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Speaker 5: It led directly to points for them. But he was

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Speaker 5: certainly a bigger piece of potentially winning this football game

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Speaker 5: than he was not.

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Speaker 3: He was he was. He should have gotten a win here.

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Speaker 3: He deserved to win here.

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Speaker 5: It was an uncharacteristic defensive performance, especially on the ground.

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Speaker 5: The run defense was stunning, and then special teams again

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Speaker 5: had a couple of catastrophic plays that I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, their very first possession started at the fifty. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I thought we were gonna kick it out of the

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Speaker 3: He keeps his eyes up.

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Speaker 2: He buys time, It's so incredible how he went from

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Speaker 3: Now, the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: On a car.

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Speaker 2: Like let the upside's there. Everybody can see it. There's

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't at the stadium, and I didn't pay my money,

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Speaker 2: do all that stuff. Because those folks want wins and losses.

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Speaker 2: They want wins. And we'll get into why that. The

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Speaker 2: That's that's all that matters to me. And I hope

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Speaker 2: then you get to a point where you can do

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Speaker 2: what you just said, and that is a lottery ticket

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Speaker 2: as big as you can win. Use your analogy. That's

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Speaker 2: the full scratch off. Pay it in, give me my money,

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Speaker 2: and now we don't have to address quarterback in the offseason.

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Speaker 3: That's a home run, by the way, and.

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Speaker 5: He took the natural progression that a fifth round pick

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 5: Imagine though, what he's been able to do, we've seen

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Speaker 3: And I like his upside and what he's shown. And

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Speaker 5: What he's shown is his commitment to getting better and

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Speaker 5: you're seeing him have this success. He's got unbelievable natural talent.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he was just looking right now again, is

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Speaker 3: He can't now something.

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Speaker 5: That thing that we'd say is okay, sometimes on these

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Speaker 3: It's a little dangerous. And there was one that he he.

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Speaker 5: Must not have seen Simmons and he just kind of

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Speaker 3: But that's okay. He's not supposed to be perfect right now.

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Speaker 5: What you're talking about is does he have the ability

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Speaker 5: Does he have the ability to understand what he's seeing,

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Speaker 5: you want to see more of it. You want to

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Speaker 3: Three more years.

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Speaker 5: That gives you, like a serious window, especially starting in

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Speaker 2: It's a lottery, it's winning the it's party. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: that needs to take place, all right. That was the

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Speaker 2: The defense did not, and this is a defense that's

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Speaker 2: best one hundred and sixty one yards to Tony Pollard,

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Speaker 2: What did you make of, especially in the third quarter,

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Speaker 5: Well, it's tough, and you know even for us, like

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Speaker 3: We just we got.

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Speaker 5: They hadn't scored on an opening drive in fifteen straight games.

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Speaker 5: Then they go three plays eight yards after the Dylan

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Speaker 2: that's why they were going to do it, is we'd

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00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: run the wildcat a bunch of times, had been wildly

440
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: successful for us. Kevin didn't say this, This is me

441
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 2: saying it. Yeah, I mean, that's just what's happened. We'd

442
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 2: run it about it. This was the one time we're

443
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 2: going to counter off of it. We're going to pivot

444
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: off of it because we'd never even shown it. And

445
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 2: if you watch on the ultimate there's nobody over there.

446
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 3: Nope.

447
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 2: And now, if you want to be critical of a

448
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 2: rookie going to in larvad Ann and everybody who was

449
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 2: involved in it, I guess this far into the season

450
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: Kevin's not going to bury anybody. He's I'm going to

451
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: bury a player. He's I'm going to bury Quinchean. And

452
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 2: so you know, he took it because that's his job

453
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: as a head coach to do it. But that was

454
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 2: the thinking behind it on the fourteen point thing.

455
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't shoot the master. Everybody gets so emotional about this. Okay,

456
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 5: every team in the NFL, Ravens Eagles, who have a

457
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 5: very good analytics department, they're the ringing super Bowl champions

458
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 5: all the day, they all they all do it.

459
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole.

460
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: League does it done honestly. And the reason that you

461
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 2: do it is because then you can win the football game.

462
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: And we saw the Denver Broncos. This happened earlier in

463
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Speaker 2: the season. The Broncos won a football game doing this.

464
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: If you get that two pointer, then you win it

465
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: with an extra point and it's over. That's the thinking

466
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Speaker 2: behind it. And then you know, and by the way,

467
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: you haven't lost. If you don't get it, you if

468
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: you're gonna go for it twice, if you have to,

469
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: you you can go for it twice. So even if

470
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 2: you don't get the first one, you still have to

471
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Speaker 2: get the second one. The odds are you're gonna get

472
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Speaker 2: one of them, because what's the two point conversion rate

473
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Speaker 2: in the league.

474
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 3: I'm over fifty, over fifty. Here's that's the point.

475
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 5: Again, this is just the theory behind it. Okay, and

476
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use these aren't actual numbers, but this is

477
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 5: directionally correct. So let's say when you get you score

478
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 5: the touchdown, you're now down eight. The second you score

479
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 5: that touchdown, let's say at that point you have a

480
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 5: forty percent win probability.

481
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: Okay, if you.

482
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 5: Kick the extra point, let's say that goes up to

483
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 5: forty five or fifty percent. Okay, this is just and

484
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 5: you're down, and so these numbers are not right, but

485
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 5: this is just the directional you miss it, you stay

486
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 5: at forty because you're you go for two and don't

487
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 5: get it because that's.

488
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: Where you're at prior to that.

489
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 5: But if you get at it, your win probability jumps

490
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 5: up much more than the win probability goes down from

491
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 5: not getting it. Yeah, and that's why they do it,

492
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 5: because if you do hit this, if you hit this,

493
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 5: that is now you have a significant let's call it

494
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 5: sixty five percent, right, So your probabilities jump up significantly,

495
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 5: so it's a small risk in terms of win probability

496
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 5: negative for a big gain in win probability. Now, again,

497
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 5: games aren't played on computers. These are just models. I

498
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 5: understand all of that, and I get why people are

499
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 5: emotional about it. This isn't the same as being down

500
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 5: fifteen and going for the two first, which again I

501
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 5: understand because you want the information as quickly as possible.

502
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 5: But I think there is there is just a human

503
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 5: effect when you fail that because now it's a two

504
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 5: position game.

505
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: That's not the case in this one. No, it's still one.

506
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 3: It's still one.

507
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 5: And by the way, had you've gotten the first one,

508
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 5: now you're going down in your kicking exploint. We did

509
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 5: it against the Giants last year. We didn't go on

510
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 5: to win that game, but we did it against the

511
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 5: Giants and got it and put ourselves in that position.

512
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 5: We'll me had a problem with it if he gets

513
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 5: if we convert the first one, you know, we fumbled

514
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 5: that samp we aren't going to get to see that play,

515
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 5: and then the other one we unfortunately batched them. You

516
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 5: could say, look, we're the better team, let's just go

517
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 5: to overtime. The longer this game goes on, we're the

518
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 5: better team. We should be, right. I get all of it.

519
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 5: It's just it's unfortunate that this is the way it

520
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 5: played out. Again, that's the logic behind it. I know

521
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 5: people who don't like it. I know plenty of people

522
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 5: don't like it and don't agree with it.

523
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: I get it. I really don't have a problem with it.

524
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't either. At fourteen, I don't. I just think

525
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: that its sense.

526
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: So anybody who's kicking the extra points, if you're just

527
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: kicking the extra points.

528
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 3: And those aren't one hundred percent, they aren't.

529
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: But if you are asked, Ohio State. But if you

530
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: are picking kicking extra points and that's all you're doing,

531
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: you are essentially you're just playing for a tie.

532
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: Yep.

533
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: And so if you just want to play for a tie,

534
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: the odds are you're going to get one of the

535
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: two two point conversions.

536
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: Yes, in this case it was this case.

537
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: We didn't, but normal circumstances would say that you would

538
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: get one of them. Yeah, we didn't execute correctly on

539
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: either of them. No, and so it wasn't able to

540
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: come to fruition. But if you're just playing to tie, anyway,

541
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: then what's the difference, right?

542
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 5: The better to me going for the two Initially, Again,

543
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 5: I understand why people don't like it. I also understand

544
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 5: the logic behind it and what you're trying to accomplish

545
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: with it. I think the better question is, Okay, yeah,

546
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 5: we've done this wildcat, we're setting it up for this

547
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 5: moment to run this play off of it. But your

548
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 5: door is so hot, he's led you down the team,

549
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 5: you know, should he be on the field. That's kind

550
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: of the better question. The play, you know, when people

551
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 5: like like, oh, did you ever even run that in practice?

552
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: Jeez, come on, I'm gonna tell you something.

553
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 5: They every week you have maybe two maybe three two

554
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 5: point plays that you have in that are in for

555
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 5: that week, because how often does it come up? Not

556
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 5: all that often, but you have two or three and

557
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 5: for that week, they're run every Friday. That play was

558
00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 5: run on Friday. Obviously it worked on Friday, like these

559
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 5: are they knew going down? I guarantee they knew that

560
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 5: that was going to be the play that they were calling.

561
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 5: Now you can debate whether or not you agree with

562
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 5: that play call, and obviously the execution.

563
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 4: Of it was poor.

564
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: I think what I this is my interpretation of it.

565
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 5: This is not from no Scores. I think quin Shawn

566
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 5: was reading the corner because if the corner had run

567
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 5: with Gage, he probably could have kept it. And if

568
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 5: the corner stayed, I think it was supposed to go

569
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 5: to Gauge. This is just this is not no no inside.

570
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 5: This is just when I looked at the play what

571
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 5: seemed to be happening, and his eyes were on that

572
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 5: corner too long, so by the time he was like, oh,

573
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 5: he didn't go, he went to kind of you could

574
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 5: see on his face almost like oh no, oh no,

575
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 5: And now Gauge is like five yards past him, and

576
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 5: then it's it's a debacle, so super frustrating in the moment.

577
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 5: I think anybody who watches, and I know there have

578
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: been plenty of posts on here of the all twenty

579
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 5: two of it. If he gave the ball to Gauge,

580
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 5: he's he has games actually has options on that play.

581
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: But those options would look like they would have resulted

582
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 5: in a conversion.

583
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 3: It didn't. It was not executed. It was not executed well.

584
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 5: And by the way, if we got one of those

585
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 5: two two point conversions and weadys saying nobody cares anyway. No,

586
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 5: And if we had gotten the first one and then

587
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 5: kick the extra point there and we win by one,

588
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 5: people say it's genius. The outcomes matter though, because this

589
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 5: is a binary business yep, and so you know you're

590
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 5: not supposed to let outcomes. I always, I always give

591
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 5: the casino analogy. It is the right thing to double

592
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 5: down with an eleven against the dealer showing sick. It's

593
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 5: not a guarantee of win. And then they still take

594
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 5: your money. It's not like well write play.

595
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: As Fabreau and swingers. Yeah they still take it.

596
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: You always down, double down an eleven, baby, but not

597
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: in this instance. Snow Baby always always double down on eleven. Always,

598
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: So it's hit the bamboo louse, get some breakfast, and

599
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: head back to an airstream.

600
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 5: It's a bummer, but I take away from this Number

601
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 5: one Shador looks like he could be the answer that

602
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 5: we have needed for a very very long time. Number two,

603
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 5: Harold Fannon is a real real deal.

604
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 3: Dude.

605
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 5: Just had the best rookie season by a Brown's best

606
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 5: rookie season by a Browns tight end ever. Just passed

607
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: Ozzie Smith for the most shaving yards in a season

608
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: by a Browns rookie tight end. So he's a real dude.

609
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: You've got dudes all over the place on defense, which

610
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 5: is great to see. And then you know, Miles gets

611
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 5: sacked twenty and three more tackles for a loss. So

612
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 5: now he's got twenty. Now that one could have gone

613
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 5: a half and a half, but he gets the hole. Yep,

614
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 5: he's at twenty. Now he's at thirty one on the

615
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 5: tackles for loss. So he has a chance to set

616
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 5: both records.

617
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a chance of the best season by

618
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: a defensive player ever.

619
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: Ever, that's important. We've well, very interesting.

620
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: With all respect to Deacon Jones. This is the thing

621
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: that this is the big thing to me. It appears

622
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: that you have four lock stock NFL studs, borderline Pro

623
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Bowl type players. Mason Graham feels like he can get there,

624
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: Carson Swestinger's already there, Harold Fannon looks like he's going

625
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: to get there, and Quinshawn Judkins looks like he's a

626
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl.

627
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: Type level player. We have got to help him out.

628
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 6: We do.

629
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: We're not give him a lot of he is and

630
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: but you see what happens if you just give him

631
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: a line of.

632
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: Scrimmage to break through.

633
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: So you have four and then potentially five, which is

634
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: with share, which is the big one, and that's what

635
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: that's a differentiator. But that those when I think about

636
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: what the games that fan has been having, especially when

637
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: he had yesterday, the season Swessenger has been having, Graham's

638
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: continued growth, Quinchewn has been there all year, yep. Stud

639
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: and now the share part of it, that's what allows

640
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: for a much much brighter future. And and while this

641
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: is not fun, and it's not, but there are some

642
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: young pieces here in this draft, these rookies who are

643
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: on their way and have have been really good players

644
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: all season for us. Some couple of injury updates for you.

645
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: Center Ethan posse Tour's achilles that sucks. He's out for

646
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: the rest of the season. No updates on Denzel or

647
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: Chief Conklands still in concussion protocol.

648
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: Wyatt Teller will.

649
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: Remain out this week for the game in Chicago. So

650
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: there's where you stand on all of that. Those are

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Speaker 2: ultimate game Day. Here's your head coach, Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 7: All right injury front, Just an update. Ethan Posk will

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Speaker 7: be out for the season.

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Speaker 6: He's getting surgery. He tore his achilles.

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Speaker 7: So obviously feeling for Ethan. He's a huge part of

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Speaker 7: our team, of our offense. We've relied heavily on him,

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Speaker 7: having a veteran center in there. So disappointed for him,

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Speaker 7: but I know he will bounce back. He's got the

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Speaker 7: right attitude as you guys would imagine, but disappointed for

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Speaker 7: Ethan obviously that game doesn't go our way, and just

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Speaker 7: trying to talk through it with the team this morning

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Speaker 7: on the things that the other reasons for that and

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Speaker 7: the things that we can do better, the things that

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Speaker 7: we have to do better as a football team, offense, defense,

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Speaker 7: special teams, player, coaches, things that we have to improve

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Speaker 7: upon in games like that. So it's frustrating. We got

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Speaker 7: to learn from it, and then we'll move on to

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Speaker 7: Chicago with that. I'll take any questions, Yeah, Kevin.

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Speaker 8: Just wondering is should or Sanders your starter now for

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Speaker 8: the rest of the season. Yes, okay, and what is

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Speaker 8: your thinking behind that?

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Speaker 7: I think all along, Mary Kay, as you know, with

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Speaker 7: our quarterbacks and our young players, you're always making sure

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Speaker 7: that you're making the right decisions for our guys. And

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Speaker 7: I think he's he has constantly and consistently gotten better

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Speaker 7: in each one of these games, and how he's approached

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Speaker 7: this game. He's been working very hard, so I feel

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Speaker 7: good about where his development is heading. He knows there

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Speaker 7: there are always going to be plays that he can

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Speaker 7: be better and those type of things, but he's very

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Speaker 7: intentional about getting better each and every game he's out there.

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Speaker 8: Has anything surprised you about his development over these past

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Speaker 8: three starts?

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Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't. I don't know. Surprised is the word,

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Speaker 6: Mary Kay.

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Speaker 7: I think again, we've been around each other now, going

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Speaker 7: back to April, so I've seen constant improvement in a

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Speaker 7: bunch of areas. But I also saw in that game

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Speaker 7: some areas of improvement in some areas that we asked

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Speaker 7: him to prove upon. And I think that's you know,

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Speaker 7: the fun part of coaching is developing players and giving

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Speaker 7: them tools to improve in certain areas.

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Speaker 6: If you will.

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Speaker 7: And I think the fun part is when you have

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Speaker 7: players like should do, or like our rookies whomever it

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Speaker 7: may be, that that are very intentional about their own

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Speaker 7: development as well.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, Yeah, Kevin.

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Speaker 10: I wanted to ask about the two point conversion philosophy.

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Speaker 10: I know that you guys use the probabilities and all

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Speaker 10: those type of things when making those particular decisions about

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Speaker 10: going for two. I guess my question is, like, you

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Speaker 10: guys have been doing this for a long time and

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Speaker 10: the wins and losses don't seem to be equating that.

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Speaker 10: My question is how much of game flow and thing

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Speaker 10: and that factor in and can they outwagh just the

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Speaker 10: probably you know, the probabilities of hey, you're down fourteen,

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Speaker 10: you just scored, go ahead and go for two, So

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Speaker 10: it informs you whether or not you should kick one

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Speaker 10: or two on that second touchdown. I just I'm trying

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Speaker 10: to understand, like the process and the philosophy there. What's

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Speaker 10: going for two with that first touchdown scored when you're

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Speaker 10: down working?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think you understand the philosophy behind it.

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Speaker 7: I think I have to go into every game understanding

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Speaker 7: our team, their team, the matchups, the plays that we

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Speaker 7: have available to us, what do we like them?

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Speaker 6: Do we not?

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Speaker 7: Those are the type of decisions that factor into the game.

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Speaker 7: Obviously you take all that information in Darryl, as you know,

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Speaker 7: in all your decisions that you make, but ultimately you're

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Speaker 7: making decisions based on the game that you're playing and

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Speaker 7: what's in front of you.

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Speaker 10: And then just a you know, a question about Shador

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Speaker 10: and just his progress, similar what Mary Kay was asking,

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Speaker 10: the fact that you know he put up four touchdowns

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Speaker 10: and just his you know, third start versus what he

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Speaker 10: did in that first start at Las Vegas. Just how

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Speaker 10: pleasantly surprised are you with his progression in such a

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Speaker 10: short timeline, considering maybe how far he might have been

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Speaker 10: behind in training camp and maybe the first quarter of

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Speaker 10: the season.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, again, not maybe the terms i'd use other than

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Speaker 7: tell you I've been really impressed by his work ethic

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Speaker 7: and that's going back to since the moment he got here.

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Speaker 7: That's what we've been striving to work with him and

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Speaker 7: with all of our guys. As you know, that's been

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Speaker 7: a huge area for us, is player development of all

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Speaker 7: of our players, and I think the guys when they

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Speaker 7: embrace it, that's the fun part where you get to

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Speaker 7: see these guys making strides. So he's still very early

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Speaker 7: in his career, and he would tell you the same.

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Speaker 7: You want to have constant, constant improvement and everything you're doing.

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Speaker 7: There's moments in these games that come up that are

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Speaker 7: hard to replicate in practice. You can talk through them

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Speaker 7: on tape, you can talk through them and a walk through,

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Speaker 7: and then you get the rep in a game, and

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Speaker 7: that's the most valuable learning tool you can have. And

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Speaker 7: I think he will only take all of that and

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Speaker 7: use that to his development moving forward.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Kevin, a couple other injury questions. Do you have

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Speaker 11: an update on Denzel and David coming out of the game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no update other than to say what we'll see

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Speaker 7: how they are come Wednesday.

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Speaker 11: Jack still in the protocol?

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Speaker 4: Yes, why itt out this week?

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Speaker 6: Yes? Okay?

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Speaker 11: And then after you know, with time to reflect on it,

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Speaker 11: the idea of going with the hot hand, which you

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Speaker 11: dre on that last two point conversion, like, do you

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Speaker 11: have any second thoughts about it? I understand you know

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Speaker 11: why he went to the wildcat, but the fact that

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Speaker 11: he'd been playing so well does that make you think

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Speaker 11: twice about it?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 7: Listen, when you come up short, like you do, you

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Speaker 7: think about everything and what you could do differently. Obviously,

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Speaker 7: when you get in those moments, you have the calls

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Speaker 7: ready to roll and plays that you've talked about pre

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Speaker 7: game and throughout the week, you know there are gonna

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Speaker 7: be times where, uh, you want to call back. There'll

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Speaker 7: be times where it's it's uh, you have success and

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Speaker 7: it didn't come off exactly how you wanted it. But

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Speaker 7: bottom line is, you know we didn't. We came up

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Speaker 7: short in both those tries. And that's where I have

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Speaker 7: to look at it and and say, are there things

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Speaker 7: that we can do better? And that's that's my job

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Speaker 7: to look at it constantly.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Kevin, I wanted to ask you about with Ethan out,

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Speaker 12: I'm assuming Luke is uh will be the starter against Chicago. Yes,

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Speaker 12: is there some benefit at least in the transition that

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Speaker 12: Shadora has worked a lot with Uh Luke over the

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Speaker 12: course of the off season and everything, you know, in

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Speaker 12: terms of that connection between the quarterback and center.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand the question potentially, But I think those

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Speaker 7: guys all work really well together. You know, throughout this offseason, Chris,

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Speaker 7: They've all kind of gotten reps with different guys. So

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Speaker 7: I think Luke's somebody that you know, when you're playing

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Speaker 7: that position, the center position, we put a lot on

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Speaker 7: your plate, and when you're working with Poe and your

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Speaker 7: Poe's backup, you really have to lock in and understand

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Speaker 7: all that. And Luke has worked very hard, so he's

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Speaker 7: done a nice job of making sure he's ready to

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Speaker 7: roll in any instance that we may need him. And

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Speaker 7: I think I'll be ready to roll in this one.

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Speaker 12: One last question then on shoudor in just his pocket

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Speaker 12: presence and you know how you know, one of the

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Speaker 12: issues that seemed like he had early on was drifting

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Speaker 12: a lot, you know, and drifting backwards. It seems like

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Speaker 12: he's doing a better job, more consistent job of staying

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Speaker 12: within the pocket, given out obviously when he needs to.

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Speaker 12: But just how have you seen him grow in that.

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Speaker 4: Regard in his game?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, That's definitely been an area of focus for him

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Speaker 7: that I think he continues to improve.

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Speaker 6: I think there were multiple plays.

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Speaker 7: In that game where there was really good evidence of

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Speaker 7: really good footwork, footwork that you can coach off of

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Speaker 7: that you want to, you know, point out that this

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Speaker 7: is exactly the drill work, this is what you're working

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Speaker 7: on on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday's showing up here on Sunday.

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Speaker 13: Kevin, Hi, was it a mistake not to start Shu earlier?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not going to get into those type of things, uh, Tony.

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Speaker 7: I'm obviously focused on what's in front of us.

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Speaker 13: And about the the second two point conversion. But Antonio

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Speaker 13: said after the game, you guys were repping that play

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Speaker 13: back in Philadelphia. I remember seeing it myself. But the

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Speaker 13: fact is Judkins was not with you in Philadelphia. So

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Speaker 13: did did he get reps Friday on that play?

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Speaker 7: How do you do we ran the play so you

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Speaker 7: know Tony. Bottom line is it's a We'll always look

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Speaker 7: at things that we can do better, but I.

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Speaker 6: Trust our guys.

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Speaker 7: We work hard during the week to rep plays that

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Speaker 7: we may play that you may show in the game.

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Speaker 6: But that was not the That was not the issue there.

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Speaker 14: Hey, Kevin, I had a question about the first two

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Speaker 14: point conversion attempt, So I guess following up on what

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Speaker 14: Chris was asking, was was there an issue with a

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Speaker 14: snap with Luke being in at that point and Ethan

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Speaker 14: having come out, and was there any confusion just on

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Speaker 14: the snap itself.

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Speaker 7: You had no confusion on the snap obviously. You know

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Speaker 7: center quarterback exchanges. You don't want them to show up

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Speaker 7: in a game like that. Those guys have had plenty

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Speaker 7: of reps together that you get reps before and after

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Speaker 7: a series those type of things.

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Speaker 6: So that was unfortunate for that to happen at that moment.

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Speaker 14: And then like when the ball came out, it looked

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Speaker 14: like kind of like multiple guys on both teams just

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Speaker 14: standing around for a second or two, like, was there

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Speaker 14: just confusion on like the rules.

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Speaker 6: Or what do you think?

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Speaker 7: We actually just watched the play on Friday from the

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Speaker 7: Miami New Orleans game, where there's an interception that went

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Speaker 7: back on a two point play, which you know is

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Speaker 7: a pick too, you get two points for it. So

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Speaker 7: we just looked at that. It appeared to me like

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Speaker 7: we touched him down. Now, we didn't look at it

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Speaker 7: any closer because the result was what it was.

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Speaker 6: But the guys know the rules there.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Kevin, I have two questions. A two years ago,

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Speaker 9: your special teams were really good. Well, why do you

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Speaker 9: think there have been so many issues this year?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's something that we look at really week to week, Jeff,

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Speaker 7: on things that we can improve upon. Obviously disappointed in

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Speaker 7: yesterday and some of the things that happened yesterday that

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Speaker 7: can't happen.

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Speaker 6: But that's something we look at every week.

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Speaker 9: And then your defense has been so good against the run.

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00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 9: What happened there yesterday?

876
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, like you said, we've we've been very good in

877
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 7: that area.

878
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 6: It was uncharacteristic for us. We'll get back to work.

879
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 10: Kevin.

880
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 15: Kind of off of that that run stop and defense question.

881
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 15: Obviously your first game without Malik Collins, was any of

882
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 15: that felt maybe the boss of him and trying to

883
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 15: as you said, you couldn't replace You can't replace him.

884
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 15: You just have to have guys step up for him,

885
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 15: maybe the ramping up and getting them used to that

886
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 15: that kind.

887
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 7: Of role, you know, Cam, Obviously, Malik's a big part

888
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 7: of who we are and our success and you know,

889
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 7: our culture and all those things, so he's of course

890
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 7: you're going to miss him, but we expect the guys

891
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 7: that are in there to.

892
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 15: Do their job and sticking on the defense, Alex right,

893
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 15: isaamh MacGuire able to go in that one. Did you

894
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 15: see them need to maybe ramp up a little bit

895
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 15: at coming back from their injuries and what are you

896
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 15: expecting from them in these last four I.

897
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 7: Thought there were some good moments from both those guys. Obviously,

898
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 7: when you're coming off injury, you're definitely only going to improve,

899
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 7: So I think they'll be even better next week.

900
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 16: Kevin, just on analytics in general, because I know everybody

901
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 16: uses the MALT throughout the league, now specially you guys.

902
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 16: How much do you balance the analytics and the numbers

903
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 16: over maybe having a young roster when it comes to

904
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 16: making the decisions like going for two and all of that.

905
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know if the young roster necessarily factors

906
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 7: into that decision.

907
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: Joe.

908
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 7: I think every decision you make is based on I mean,

909
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 7: you can say analytics, but you know how good the

910
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 7: defense is on a short yard of what.

911
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 6: Their percentages of stopping the other team?

912
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 7: Is it statistics and use that to make your decisions,

913
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 7: and then you look at the matchups and your players

914
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 7: versus their players.

915
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 6: So I think it's.

916
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 7: Certainly a tool, and it's information to take in, but

917
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 7: I think there's so much that goes into decisions when

918
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 7: you're making them. The decision to go for two when

919
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 7: you're down, you know, to start the series at fourteen.

920
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 7: That's also based on the plays you have available, to

921
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 7: the matchups, those type of things.

922
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 6: So I don't think it's it's ever just a black

923
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 6: and white picture, if you will.

924
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 16: And then just a game Sunday, I think two and

925
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 16: thirty receiving yards after to catch. It seems like Shador

926
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 16: during his three starts has been good about finding the

927
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 16: open receivers and letting them operate in open space. Is

928
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 16: that one of the areas of his game where you've

929
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Speaker 16: seen progress too, where you've been able to get yards

930
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 16: after to catch where maybe you didn't early in the season.

931
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I wouldn't compare it to early in

932
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 6: the season. I would tell you.

933
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Speaker 7: When you talk about rack and those type of things,

934
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Speaker 7: I think it's there's a lot of dimensions to that,

935
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 7: but certainly the accuracy of the throw factors into it.

936
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Speaker 7: When you can put the throw or the receiver or

937
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 7: the tight end or the running back doesn't have to

938
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 7: break stride, that allows you to maximize your speed throughout

939
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 7: the route into the play. And then it's the receivers

940
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 7: winning versus man. I think Jerry's route as big touchdown

941
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 7: was versus man. He won, and he won, he won,

942
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 7: you know, with a lot of separations, So I think

943
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 7: it all factors into it.

944
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 8: Okay, thanks, Yeah, just wondering, Kevin, now that you guys

945
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 8: are officially eliminated from playoff contention, what's your confidence level

946
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 8: that you have the infrastructure, the leadership group in place

947
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 8: to make sure that these guys are going to be

948
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 8: out there just fighting all the way to the end

949
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 8: and playing as hard as they have been.

950
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 6: Yeah.

951
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 7: We know it's in front of us, Mary, kay, and

952
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 7: that's all that We'll focus on. What we got a

953
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 7: big test this week in Chicago. That's the most important

954
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 7: thing in front of us.

955
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: Thank you, you hear me?

956
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 13: I'm glaring Kearn, when you guys broke down the fifty

957
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 13: three roster in September with thirteen or fourteen rookies first

958
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 13: year players, how much of an understanding was there in

959
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 13: the organization that this was going to be tough to

960
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 13: win with that many rookies? And he's your expectations overall

961
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 13: been higher or lower than what we're getting here at

962
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 13: three and ten.

963
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 6: Yeah.

964
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 7: All I would tell you, Tony is that the guys

965
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 7: who are on the roster are guys that I trust,

966
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 7: we trust. I don't get caught up in that type

967
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 7: of thing other than say that these young players that

968
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 7: were counting on continue to get better and they got

969
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 7: the right attitude.

970
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 11: Ken, I guess it relates to what Tony just asked you.

971
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 11: But given you're playing so many rookies, especially on offense

972
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 11: and key roles, is it just a cost of doing

973
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 11: business that there's going to be mistakes? And sometimes those

974
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 11: mistakes are in really critical moments.

975
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 6: In the sense that young players make mistakes. Sure, but

976
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 6: we trust our guys. You know, these guys.

977
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 7: Part of making mistake is you're learning from it and

978
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 7: you're gonna get better at it. I've told you guys

979
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 7: many many times. And this is still true that this

980
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 7: rookie class, especially the rookie class, because we're talking about them,

981
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 7: they have the right attitude. They've worked like crazy since

982
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 7: the moment they've been here. They keep the main thing,

983
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 7: the main thing, and that's what we'll continue to do.

984
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 7: We'll just focus on on the work and what's in

985
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 7: front of us.

986
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 11: And I guess specifically, after like the two point play

987
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 11: with Quinchan, what do you say to him when it

988
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 11: doesn't go like you guys wanted.

989
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 6: It to go.

990
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll keep all those conversations between our guys internal.

991
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 7: But we trust Quinchewn, I trust all of our young

992
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 7: guys and we'll just continue to work at it and

993
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 7: that's what we'll do.

994
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 6: Thank you, guys.

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1013
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: Haff Where do we find you on this fine Monday?

1014
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 4: Buddy, Hey, guys, how's it going. I just landed in.

1015
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: Sin City, baby, home away from home for you. Yeahs,

1016
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: where he's making movie Magic Tint.

1017
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 4: I thought I was here like about a month ago,

1018
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 4: and this time I'm out here because young Alex Mack,

1019
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: my best friend from the league. He's getting inducted in

1020
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 4: the College Football Hall of Fame tomorrow night, So coming

1021
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: out here to support him and celebrate with him and

1022
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: the family.

1023
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's very cool, alex Man.

1024
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: Do they tie anything else into it? Half any other like,

1025
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 2: do they hand out any awards like for current players

1026
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: this week out there too?

1027
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 4: You know, that's a good question. I'm not exactly sure

1028
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 4: what also would be doing. I know that the Mac

1029
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 4: family's got a nice contingent out here, so we're gonna

1030
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 4: be doing some stuff with them. But as far as

1031
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 4: at the actual awards, CRE only ours was in New

1032
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 4: York when I got into the College Football of Fame,

1033
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 4: and it was really just kind of focused on the

1034
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: guys being inducted into that Hall of Fame. But yet

1035
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: I don't remember specifically. I bet Annie could probably tell

1036
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: you with more detail about if they gave out any

1037
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: other cool awards like lifetime achievements or you know, stuff

1038
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: like that.

1039
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 5: What does he think about He's going to to cal Yeah,

1040
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 5: the now defunct PAC ten, PAC twelve.

1041
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: That's got to kill a guy like Alex Man. Gone

1042
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: so sad.

1043
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's pretty sad, and Fall has been pretty sad

1044
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 4: for a while. And I think the sad part really

1045
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 4: for him outside of like what's happened with the PAC

1046
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: twelve and what's happened with all those teams on the

1047
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 4: West Coast, is that there's just an apathy around all

1048
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: those college fan bases, like they're not getting fans to

1049
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: show up, they can't get TV money, nobody really wants

1050
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: to even play in the games anymore, and it's like,

1051
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of withering. Unfortunately, with as strong

1052
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 4: as Big Ten football, sec ACC has gotten, like I

1053
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: feel like we've taken that energy in the mojo from

1054
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: the fan base out there, and it's it's pretty sad.

1055
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 4: When you're an alumnus, you know, you always want to

1056
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 4: have pride in your university and what they're doing, and

1057
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: really out there with cal they're doing nothing.

1058
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: To prove Hoff's point.

1059
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: The guy who replaced Matt Campbell at Iowa State came

1060
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: from Washington State.

1061
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: He was there for one year.

1062
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: The athletic director at Iowa State said he didn't even

1063
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: ask him what the money was.

1064
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: He just said yes.

1065
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: And I would have argued five years ago, Washington State's

1066
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: a better job than they've won Rose Bulls at Washington State,

1067
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: like they've been to Rose Bulls, I would say someone

1068
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: in anything in consequence, but because they're not in.

1069
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Speaker 5: A league, a first overall pick and a second overall pick.

1070
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Washington State. Yeah, yeah, and they just haven't

1071
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 3: without being a league, you don't have a chance. Well

1072
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: we'll give them our congratulations, Yeah.

1073
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 4: We will, we will. It's a it's a pretty heralded class.

1074
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 4: I mean, Nick Saban's going in Urban Meyer on the

1075
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: coaching side, Michael Vick, Michael Strahan, Hellodi of course, Alex Mack.

1076
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Speaker 4: I mean it's a strong class. College football classes are

1077
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 4: a lot larger, of course than the Pro Football Hall

1078
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Speaker 4: of Fame. But there's like forty people recognizable. Yeah, it's

1079
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: a big it's a big I mean a lot a

1080
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: lot of guys in college football, but uh, a lot

1081
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: of big names. It's a pretty cool class for him

1082
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 4: to be part of. Yeah.

1083
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Speaker 2: So the the reason is it's a relatively new Hall

1084
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: of Fame and so they have all of this ketchup

1085
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: work to do.

1086
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Speaker 3: They got to make, They gotta do some make they

1087
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Speaker 3: have to the hoffspin in for.

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Speaker 10: Well.

1089
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Speaker 2: And of course we were once at once told by

1090
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Speaker 2: someone here we couldn't call him the Hoff. The were

1091
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Speaker 2: like they were like, actually, well he's going to be

1092
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: a Hoff first ballot, gold first ballot, and also he

1093
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: already is.

1094
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, just so you know, he already is a Hoff.

1095
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: What record street.

1096
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 5: By the way, Haff want to give a shout out

1097
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 5: to you as well, because you came in here, you

1098
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 5: were meet Santa last week.

1099
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: Bo was able to enjoy it. Oh my god.

1100
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 5: We had it on on Saturday night with the great

1101
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 5: Dabbo my but from Australia, and he was, he was

1102
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 5: blown away. We declared the Hunter, the full blood wag.

1103
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 5: You stripped to be the it's the world champions.

1104
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: It was it was.

1105
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 5: It was so good it broke my brain in fact,

1106
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 5: how good it was.

1107
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: It was incredible.

1108
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 5: So that was that was the big that was the

1109
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 5: winner of the night, the Hof Beef. And we did

1110
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 5: blind I blinded it for him so at tasters, so

1111
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 5: they didn't know nobody, no bias, you know. Now, I

1112
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 5: will say that I think visually you could if you

1113
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 5: were paying attention to the scores, you could have picked

1114
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 5: it out.

1115
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 3: I think just on site because.

1116
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: Obvious a special looking, some special b but he was,

1117
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 5: he was blown away. I sent half the pictures hot

1118
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 5: you Where were you at? You were out and about

1119
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 5: doing something? Oh you're at a wedding.

1120
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 3: I think.

1121
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 4: I'm where I started the morning in here.

1122
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 5: I make this last weekend, you were at a wedding

1123
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 5: for one of the guys on the phone.

1124
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, our head cattleman, Hayden Connor. He's a

1125
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: he's a baby, he's twenty two. Got married this weekend

1126
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 4: and must just down the road from the farm, and

1127
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: we had the whole family there. It was quite a

1128
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: nice country shindig. But yeah, Z was sending me the

1129
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: photos and the thing that I liked. You know, with

1130
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 4: this being a new thing for me, I'm like, hey,

1131
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: give me the unbiased, unvarnished feedback. I love the blind

1132
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 4: taste test. Tell me everything right, because we can change.

1133
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 4: We're trying to do better, just like as an athlete

1134
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 4: when I was playing one percent better every day, and

1135
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: so getting that unvarnished feedback from you guys and knowing

1136
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 4: that the hop is still the world champ. They made

1137
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 4: warm to.

1138
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 3: Heart, dude, there's no doubt. There's no doubt, no doubt

1139
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 3: at all. We did it too.

1140
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: We did the I made it for the family and

1141
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: cut it up and then and tried and yeah, the

1142
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: strip was was unbelievable. I think that's where you get

1143
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: you really taste. It isn't that. I think that's where

1144
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: you can really tell the difference. It was really remarkable.

1145
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: Hof and the meat sticks are all gone. They're all gone.

1146
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: They kissed them through those in forty eight hours. So

1147
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: you never had anything like it. I mean, there's not

1148
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: everything like the apple cheddar. It's such a delight in

1149
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: the jerky. They love the jerky too. All of those

1150
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: things we're winning, so so yeah, they will be staples,

1151
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: my friend. Hopefully winning becomes a staple for this franchise

1152
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: at some point. It seems like we're a ways off

1153
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 2: for this now U transition, Let's go.

1154
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: Let's go.

1155
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: Glasses half full, Hoff, glasses half full. You had a

1156
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: quarterback make some throws. Joe Flacco had some throws in

1157
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: some games like this in twenty twenty three. Jamis had

1158
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: some heads a couple of games like this last year.

1159
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: But this was a big spot for Shador and he

1160
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: played really well and made some massive throws in this one.

1161
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: And Haffwood Ze and I were talking about in the

1162
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: first hour is every week he gets a little better

1163
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: at something else, like he takes the coaching and gets

1164
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: better the next week. I think it's a real bright

1165
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: spot for this team. What was your impressions of what

1166
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: you saw from him and start number three.

1167
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: I think it's safe to call this a breakout game

1168
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: for Shadur because I mean, we've kind of seen that

1169
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: steady progress, which is obviously what you want. And I

1170
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: think the danger is he was a fifth round pick,

1171
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 4: but there's so many people on the outside, especially that

1172
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: still in their mind have him as like the number

1173
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: one pick, like, well, yeah, he wasn't number one, but

1174
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: he should have been. And so he's almost like graded

1175
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 4: and has expectations as if he's the number one pick.

1176
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 4: But he's a fifth round guy. He's coming in the

1177
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: middle of the year. He hasn't had the experience playing

1178
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 4: with the ones, going against the ones, and training camp

1179
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: and so like it's all very fresh for him, and

1180
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 4: so to see the progress that he's making from week

1181
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 4: to week is really incredible, and I think it gives

1182
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: great hope to the organization. It gives great hope, certainly

1183
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 4: to the offense, and to have a breakout game like

1184
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: this where he's doing more of the thing that people

1185
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 4: saw from him in college that wanted him to be

1186
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: the number one pick, which is when it's a big moment,

1187
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: he makes great decisions and he rises to the occasion

1188
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 4: it's never too big for him. And I think that's

1189
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: the thing that probably more than anything, made the Brown

1190
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 4: say we got to take this guy. I know we

1191
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 4: already took a quarterback in the third round and we

1192
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: got two first round picks next year. But when you're

1193
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: a player that can rise above the situation and when

1194
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: big time plays are called for in big moments, you

1195
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 4: deliver that raised the level of play of all the

1196
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 4: guys that are around you, Like that's what all the

1197
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 4: great quarterbacks throughout history have always done, and that's what

1198
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: schudeor did in this game. And it was so fun

1199
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 4: to be able to watch that, to watch him progress

1200
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: and to grow and mature. And I know everybody else

1201
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 4: on the team maybe always wasn't pitching in, but to

1202
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 4: see a guy that had some opportunities and made the

1203
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: most of it when it was a big game for

1204
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 4: him and the game was on the line, and he

1205
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 4: got what they needed, right. I think back to the

1206
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 4: Brady's and the Manning and the guys today like the

1207
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allens. They get you what you need

1208
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: when you need it, And to me, that's the defining

1209
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 4: characteristic of a franchise quarterback and We saw that from

1210
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: Schadur yesterday.

1211
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he made he was willing hoff when you

1212
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 5: watch some of those the best throws of the day,

1213
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 5: he was willing to stand in the pocket and deliver

1214
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 5: the football and.

1215
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: Take big hits.

1216
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 5: He was hit fourteen times in this game, quarterback hits

1217
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 5: the Titans had, and yet he was able to operate

1218
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 5: the throat of fan in where he got absolutely crushed.

1219
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 5: Was one of the better throws you'll see in the

1220
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 5: league this week. It's one of the better throws you'll see,

1221
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 5: honestly this year. Absolutely What does that do for the

1222
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 5: guys kind of in the huddle and for this team

1223
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 5: to see him and he did this at Colorado, But

1224
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 5: just take those hits, get back up, and just deliver

1225
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 5: the football and go about his business.

1226
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 4: I think it's so important because, right, you really don't

1227
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: have any pelts on the wall at this point when

1228
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 4: you're a rookie, and sometimes you come in as a

1229
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 4: guy who's very heralded from college. You know, played with

1230
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 4: a lot of rookie quarterbacks that had great careers that

1231
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 4: won Heisman's in college, and they come in and there's

1232
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 4: a little bit of like, all right, that's great, that

1233
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 4: you did everything in college and you're you know, big stuff,

1234
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: but hey, you're a rookie right now. You're in the

1235
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: bottom of the totem pool. So prove it to me,

1236
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 4: you know, make me want to believe in you and

1237
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: to follow you, because that's what a great quarterback has

1238
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: to do. And he did that, and I think one

1239
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 4: of the ways you can do that is standing in

1240
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 4: there and showing toughness when it's necessary, when you know

1241
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 4: that big hits coming and you have to deliver the

1242
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 4: football because the game depends on it, and you're willing

1243
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 4: to take that hit like that is the type of

1244
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 4: play that makes guys believe in you in that offense,

1245
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 4: that raises their level of play because now, all of

1246
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: a sudden, you've built a belief in yourself as the

1247
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 4: quarterback and in those guys that are playing for you

1248
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: that are thinking, hey man, we got a guy right there.

1249
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 4: We better hold up our end of the bargain because

1250
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 4: he's going to do his. And I think you know,

1251
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: being willing in smart situations like that to take those

1252
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 4: big hits, to bounce back, to make those plays, that

1253
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: last touchdown run when nothing was available, to put your

1254
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 4: head down and run through contact to get into the

1255
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 4: end zone. Like he's showing it, winning is important and

1256
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 4: that's the only thing that matters for him. And when

1257
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 4: you do that, that's how you get those guys to

1258
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 4: start playing as a team to get the most out

1259
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: of everybody around you.

1260
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can see the belief.

1261
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: I just think the growth and the belief and all

1262
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: that he's just getting better and better each week. I

1263
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: think that that's really noteworthy with this team and today

1264
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: Kevin and the announced obviously he's a starter for the

1265
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: rest of the way. What's next, uf, what do you

1266
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: want to see? And by the way, the competition amps up, Bigley,

1267
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: next three are all playing for massive stakes in terms

1268
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: of the opponent, and we're starting with Chicago obviously. As

1269
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: this competition goes amps up and as the teams are

1270
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: playing for more of the opposition, what do you want

1271
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: to see as the next progression for him?

1272
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: Well, I'd like to continue to see obviously the growth

1273
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 4: that we've seen across the board. Right, he's not taking

1274
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 4: the sacks, he's not drifting in the pocket, he's quicker

1275
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 4: with his decision makings, he's not paralyzed when they're showing

1276
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 4: blitz he's able to start to see the defense and

1277
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: make sure that they're in the right play, like all

1278
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: those leadership things, all those things that are really important

1279
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 4: for a rookie quarterback. But really what I'd love to

1280
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: see is just eliminate some of the big, major bad plays, right,

1281
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 4: And I think that's a natural progression for a Ricky quarterback.

1282
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: You know, he had one amazing throw to Jerry Judy,

1283
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 4: that sixty yard touchdown or a sixty yard bomb. It

1284
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 4: was awesome, right, but then you've got a really bad

1285
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 4: interception where it was just shouldn't have been thrown, you know.

1286
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 4: And I get it as you're trying to speed up

1287
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 4: your progression and how you're seeing the defense, like you're

1288
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 4: getting a quicker trigger, and maybe sometimes that's happening before

1289
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 4: you really see the picture clearly. But what I would

1290
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 4: love to see is, as these defenses are getting tougher

1291
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 4: here with the final four games of the season, and

1292
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 4: they got a lot to play for and it's going

1293
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 4: to be more challenging and a lot trickier, like, just

1294
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: minimize some of those major bad plays and continue to

1295
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 4: do the things he's doing across the board. So I mean,

1296
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: if he can do that and he can play not

1297
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 4: mistake free, because that's not a fair assessment, but just

1298
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 4: continue to limit the number of mistakes he's making and

1299
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 4: do all the other things he's been doing. I mean,

1300
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 4: you're going to be feeling really, really good down the

1301
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 4: stretch of the season because he's a fun quarterback to watch.

1302
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 4: He's a fun quarterback to cheer four, and he's making

1303
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: a it's great case for himself to be the franchise

1304
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 4: quarterback moving forward.

1305
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 5: He is the thing I liked and Bo talked about

1306
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 5: it that week to week improvement, you know, like stop

1307
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 5: running out of the back after the Ravens game, out

1308
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 5: of the back of the pocket, He's done a good job.

1309
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 5: He's climbing the pocket now pretty consistently, you know, don't

1310
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 5: You've got to go ahead and be you know, willing

1311
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 5: to rip it over the middle of the field. You've

1312
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 5: got to be anticipatory and throw it. That was a

1313
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 5: big point of vasays this week.

1314
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: We saw it.

1315
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 5: I mean, that ball to Judy is as good a

1316
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 5: ball as you're going to see. And so I thought

1317
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 5: that there was a ton of improvement that we saw,

1318
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 5: you know, from him in this game, and I it's

1319
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 5: very encouraging. These are big numbers and down the stretch

1320
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 5: ten to thirteen on those last two drives when you

1321
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 5: needed it the most. I mean, that's that's real stuff.

1322
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 5: And he did a good job as a runner as well.

1323
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 5: I thought his ball placement was excellent. I mean, it

1324
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 5: was all the things that you'd really wanted and hope

1325
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 5: to see, and it gives you, I think a lot

1326
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 5: of hope. If you're the Cleveland Browns, that man, maybe

1327
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 5: we've got our guy. How big are the next three

1328
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 5: games to you? Hof where you're looking at three teams

1329
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 5: that are fighting for their playoffs lives the Bay, there's

1330
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 5: the Bills and the Steelers, and you know what do

1331
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 5: you want to see over those those games that tell you, Yeah,

1332
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 5: let's get this guy a tackle, Let's get this guy

1333
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 5: another stud wide receiver here in the first round next year,

1334
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 5: and let's let let's let Shador Sanders be the guy

1335
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: get all the work and let's see what he can become.

1336
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean these are huge obviously, because he's set

1337
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 4: himself up where the table now is set where if

1338
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 4: he plays great in his last four games, he's been

1339
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 4: a great case for being that guy next year and

1340
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 4: building around him, And the thing that I'm most excited

1341
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 4: for is that he's put himself in position. There's no

1342
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 4: controversy or conversation now about going back to Dylan Gabriel

1343
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 4: or doing anything else at that position because he's set

1344
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 4: the table. But you're gonna have to see that steady growth.

1345
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: And I'm not wanting to be pessimistic at all, but

1346
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: I really want to see enough growth that it's a

1347
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 4: vote of confidence without a doubt. Yes, let's get him

1348
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 4: some more guys around him, Let's get him weapons, Let's

1349
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 4: make him the number one guy, so we have all

1350
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 4: of off season, all of training camp to be that leader,

1351
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 4: to be the person that's running all the first team reps.

1352
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: The thing I'm nervous about is if he kind of

1353
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 4: goes sideways and then it's like not a clear an

1354
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 4: obvious answer if he is the guy or not. And

1355
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 4: as a fifth round pick, it's different than being a

1356
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 4: first round pick. You fifth round picks, unfortunately in this league,

1357
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 4: they're a bit expendable, and so you don't feel like

1358
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 4: you've already invested good money in a guy like that.

1359
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: So I really want to see him playing well. I

1360
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 4: want to make sure that their offensive line is able

1361
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 4: to protect for him and give him the time he

1362
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 4: needs to show us that he is that franchise quarterback

1363
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 4: all right.

1364
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: Time for the trench report presented by Big Fig. The

1365
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: mattress made for more Crafton and Cleveland, just like our

1366
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: Browns offensive line, even more of a mash unit. Now

1367
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: we've known about Teller and now Postik out for the

1368
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: year with an achilles, Luke Whipler will slide in there.

1369
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: We knew that this was going to be a massive

1370
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: offseason for the offensive line anyway. Off when you're in

1371
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: this type of a situation where you have all of

1372
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 2: the injuries that we have already, what are you looking

1373
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: for from that group here, especially in the next couple

1374
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: of weeks. Obviously the run game blocking has been a

1375
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: bit of a problem here in recent weeks, for sure.

1376
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: What are you seeing up front? What do we hope

1377
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 3: to see going forward?

1378
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 4: Well, you lost your center Pozick, who was one of

1379
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 4: your better offensive linemen. Joel's still in there, thankfully, But

1380
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 4: then after that, you know you're dealing with all backups,

1381
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 4: and you know our tackle play with Cam Robinson and

1382
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 4: Katie Loveston has not been great. Why it's been out

1383
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 4: so with Luke Whipler and I'm moving in at center,

1384
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 4: You've got a lot of fresh faces in there. And

1385
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 4: every time I've been in a situation like that where

1386
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of young guys around me, a

1387
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 4: lot of new guys, it's like, all right, I understand

1388
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 4: that picking up the blitz is going to be a challenge.

1389
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 4: We've got to do our best. I understand one on

1390
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 4: one past pro is going to be a challenge. A

1391
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 4: lot of that is art. It's not a science. It's

1392
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 4: not something you can just tough yourself through or try

1393
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 4: harder to get better at it. Like you have to

1394
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: be under control, you have to be focused, you have

1395
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 4: to know when to deliver the strikes and give them

1396
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 4: everything you got, and you have to know when to

1397
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 4: be patient. Like those are really tough things. But the

1398
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 4: things you can control is how hard you play, how

1399
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: tough you play, how you smash somebody in the face.

1400
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: And getting back to being able to efficiently run the

1401
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 4: football with quin Shawn Judkins, I think is so crucial

1402
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 4: because then it doesn't put you in those bad situations

1403
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 4: where you have to sit back and pass protect with

1404
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 4: a group of guys up front that haven't been very

1405
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 4: experienced doing that and frankly, are not very good at it.

1406
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 4: So I think figuring out, all right, we're going to

1407
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 4: run the ball. We have to be the most physical

1408
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 4: unit on the field whenever we're out there, and we

1409
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 4: have to hit these guys in the mouth and make

1410
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 4: them not want to come back in the second half.

1411
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 4: You can do that, and you can change and you

1412
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: can dictate the tempo, the momentum, the style of play

1413
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 4: from that defensive line. If you're beating them up on

1414
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 4: the run game, but you have to be efficient because

1415
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 4: if you're not efficient, they're not going to keep running

1416
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 4: the football. So for those guys this week, it's all

1417
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 4: about toughness. It's all about beating them up, smashing in

1418
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 4: the face and trying to impose your will on the

1419
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: defensive line so that your offensive cordner has no choice

1420
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 4: but to continue to call run games.

1421
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 5: What's interesting about this, hoff and this is something that

1422
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 5: I think people need to understand.

1423
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 3: Out of the running backs that have at least one

1424
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 3: hundred and.

1425
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 5: Twenty five carries there and there's basically one for every team,

1426
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 5: there's thirty two of them. Quinshawn Judkins this year ranks

1427
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 5: ninth in yards after contact per carry. He ranks seventh

1428
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 5: overall in yards after contact, but like to give an example,

1429
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 5: he has seven hundred yards after contact. He's rushed for

1430
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 5: seven hundred and eighty four yards. Let that sink in

1431
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 5: the other guys in the seven hundreds. Derreck Henry has

1432
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 5: seven hundred and twenty four yards after contract. He's got

1433
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 5: one thousand and twenty five yards. James Cook has seven

1434
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty nine after contact. He's got thirteen hundred

1435
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 5: and eight yards. James Cook, Derrick Henry. They don't even

1436
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 5: average as many yards after contact as quin Shawn Judkins

1437
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: per carry per carry crazy, So guys that are around

1438
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 5: him in terms of you know, seven hundred this they

1439
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 5: all have between one thousand and thirteen hundred yards rushing.

1440
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 5: And here's Quinn John Judkins at seven hundred and eighty four.

1441
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 5: He has the highest percentage of his yards after contact

1442
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 5: in the NFL.

1443
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: What are you seeing?

1444
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 5: Because I know you talked about the mentality and all

1445
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 5: of that, but the fact of the matter is this

1446
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 5: guy does not get to the line of scrimmage often.

1447
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 5: In fact, he's getting on average zero point four yards

1448
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: down the field before taking contact, whereas Derrick Henry's a

1449
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 5: yard and a half, James Cook is two point two

1450
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 5: yards on average before he takes contact. Most of the

1451
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 5: top running backs it's well over a yard yard and

1452
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 5: a half to two yards downfield. So what's happening? Because

1453
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 5: that feels really bad.

1454
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 4: Well, that is really bad. I mean, the fright spot is, hey,

1455
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 4: we got this rookie running back and he's breaking tackles

1456
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 4: and he's making yards and he's doing an amazing job.

1457
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 4: He's more than we expected when we drafted him. The

1458
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,479
Speaker 4: downside is our blocking has just not been very good.

1459
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 4: There is obviously way too many free runners. There's too

1460
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 4: many missed assignments. There's guys that are putting their heads

1461
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 4: on the wrong part of the block and they're allowing

1462
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 4: the defensive linemen to get off because you know, I

1463
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: always say that as an offensive lineman, our job is

1464
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 4: to get him four yards down line of scrimmage. Right,

1465
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 4: we can control the five or six guys that are

1466
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 4: in the box, and then beyond that it's up to

1467
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 4: the running back and the receivers to make those blocks.

1468
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 4: But we have to get him to the line of

1469
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 4: scrimmage and get his feet through the feet of the

1470
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 4: defensive lineman without being touched to really have a chance.

1471
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 4: And so it's it's remarkable in good on our well,

1472
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 4: good John's Dewey without not having any blocking, And it's

1473
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 4: remarkable and bad with how poorly the offensive line has

1474
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 4: blocked in the run game and opened up those lanes

1475
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 4: for a guy who clearly is a physical back that

1476
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 4: wants the football. That is the type of running back

1477
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 4: that you love the block for as an offensive lineman,

1478
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 4: and you want to see him showing him some more

1479
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 4: love by open up some more holes for that guy,

1480
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 4: because imagine what he would look like if he was

1481
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 4: getting the yard and after yards down the field on

1482
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 4: average before he made contact with anybody.

1483
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 5: All Right, one of the things I used to say about,

1484
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 5: you know, offensive line, they're like mushrooms, be in the dark,

1485
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 5: nobody say their names.

1486
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: All of that.

1487
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 5: I've come to the point now where that's all I

1488
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 5: want special teams to be. I don't want to talk

1489
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 5: about special teams. I just want them because I feel

1490
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 5: like if we're not talking about it at the at

1491
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 5: the worst, it's neutral. You know, another blocked punt that

1492
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 5: you know plays into what now is this whole two

1493
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 5: point controversy and all of these things. How how can

1494
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 5: this keep happening week after week after a week?

1495
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I don't have a great explanation all now,

1496
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 4: other than to say it it's unacceptable. You know, seen

1497
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 4: and not heard is how you want your special teams.

1498
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 4: You know, I've played there when Josh Gribbs was there,

1499
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 4: and we saw them a lot, and it was usually

1500
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 4: good things, right, great returns, big plays, you know, big

1501
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 4: hits running down on kickoff coverage or punt coverage. But

1502
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 4: you know, to have a unit that you expect to

1503
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 4: have no mistakes to the season, that's kind of like

1504
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 4: your goal. All right, we're not gonna have any turnovers

1505
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,440
Speaker 4: and we're not gonna allow any really big long returns,

1506
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 4: and that's our expectation. You know, it doesn't always happen.

1507
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 4: There's gonna be a time here or there that you know,

1508
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 4: somebody comes free and you get a block kick, or

1509
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 4: somebody has a long return because somebody in the coverage

1510
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 4: unit leaves his lane. But to have it consistently happen,

1511
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 4: it's a travesty right now, and it's something that you

1512
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 4: have a hard time putting your finger on because it's like,

1513
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 4: it's almost hard to imagine that you can have so

1514
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 4: many busts on special teams when this is clearly something

1515
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 4: that they have to have been emphasizing because it's been

1516
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 4: bad all year long and it's cost us games, and

1517
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 4: it costs us another game on Sunday, and we talked

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01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,879
Speaker 4: about last time I was on how some coaches, especially

1519
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 4: defensive coaches, like putting their starters on those units because

1520
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 4: they can trust those guys, even though it wears them

1521
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 4: out a little bit. More like they're so important to

1522
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 4: not make those mistakes that you want to put those

1523
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 4: guys out there that are reliable. And clearly the guys

1524
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 4: that we have out there right now are either not

1525
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 4: being coached well enough or they're not executing well enough.

1526
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 4: And as the Bill parcels, the Great Coach used to say,

1527
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 4: both are a problem, and you have to fix it

1528
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,879
Speaker 4: by either removing one or the other because the combination

1529
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 4: ain't working right now. And unfortunately, the Special Teams unit

1530
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 4: cannot live like this any longer. It's not like they're

1531
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 4: trying fake punts and fake field goals are not successful.

1532
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 4: I mean, they're just trying to execute the basic stuff

1533
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 4: and it's not possible. I mean, this is stuff that

1534
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 4: you should be able to do at the high school

1535
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 4: and college level, and we're consistently struggling with very basic things.

1536
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 4: And so I mean, if I had to guess, Okay,

1537
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 4: maybe communications part of it. Maybe it's the preparation of

1538
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 4: the players that are in there, but you've got to

1539
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 4: make a change and figure out if that guy can't

1540
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 4: do it, we need to find somebody that can. And

1541
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 4: maybe that means putting in some of these starters and

1542
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 4: spending a little bit more time during practice. I get it,

1543
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 4: You've got a lot of things to work on. You

1544
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 4: got a rookie quarterback on offense. You don't want to

1545
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 4: take time from his opportunity and practice to run our

1546
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 4: plays against the scout defense. But if it means coming

1547
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 4: out early or cutting out one of the team plays

1548
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 4: and our team grades and emphasizing more special teams tim

1549
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 4: on the field, but think got to do it because

1550
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,959
Speaker 4: you can't just keep having these big returns and fumbles

1551
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 4: on punt return and then allowing block punts like these

1552
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 4: are just things that can't happen once in a season,

1553
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 4: much less reoccurring the way it is this season.

1554
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: If we started this talking about the fact that you're

1555
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas to honor former teammate Alex Mack as

1556
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: he goes into the College Football Hall of Fame.

1557
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 3: You mentioned he's one of your best friends in the sport.

1558
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 3: What can you tell us? Is there a story?

1559
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: I guess maybe when did you realize that he was great,

1560
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 2: that he had this type of career in him that

1561
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: eventually gets him into the College Football Hall of Fame.

1562
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 4: Well, I think from day one you realize that this

1563
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 4: guy has the attitude of a golden retriever where it's

1564
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 4: like he's gonna fetch that foot that ball until he

1565
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 4: dies or until the master stops throwing it, because that

1566
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 4: was his nickname when he was here, and then he

1567
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 4: went to Atlanta with Kyle Shanahan and he was just

1568
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 4: the guy that was the ultimate teammate, right. He would

1569
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 4: have been the world's greatest Navy seal because if anybody

1570
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 4: told him run through that wall, climb up and go

1571
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 4: kill Bin Lauden, like he's like, yes, sir, when should

1572
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 4: I show up? Like I've never seen Alex where he

1573
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 4: gave up because he was too tired or he didn't

1574
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 4: like what he was doing. He was just the perfect

1575
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 4: teammate in every respect. And I'll give you a brief story.

1576
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 4: But when he was a rookie, Eric Manngini was the

1577
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 4: head coach, and his way to punish players for false starts,

1578
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 4: for fumbles and things like that was to make him

1579
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 4: take a lap. Right. Of course, everybody hated it. It felt

1580
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 4: like it was high school. But Alex was like, all right,

1581
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 4: I'm going to take a lap, but reps are too

1582
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 4: important for me. And so I've never seen this before.

1583
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 4: I mean, the dude was running like a fifty five

1584
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 4: second four hundred meter dash in between plays because he

1585
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 4: had a lot of fumbles. He was having a hard

1586
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 4: time with the snap count and so he was fumbling

1587
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 4: the snap a lot quarterback exchange. But he would finish

1588
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 4: the play and he knew, hey, I fumbled it or

1589
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 4: I screwed something up, and he would start his lap

1590
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 4: full speed, and fans that were at training camp would

1591
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 4: remember it because it was like the attraction why people

1592
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 4: would come to training camp back then when he was

1593
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 4: a rookie, because he would run that thing like he

1594
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 4: was Usain Bolt coming around the field and he would

1595
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 4: get back into the huddle and he'd be ready for

1596
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 4: the very next play, and it was just amazing to

1597
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 4: see that level of effort. And then on the next

1598
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,879
Speaker 4: play he'd be running forty yards down the field finishing

1599
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 4: his block. And so it was just an incredible level

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01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 4: of effort he played with. He was so smart and cerebral.

1601
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 4: He understood technique, and you know, he's a guy that

1602
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 4: at three hundred and twenty pounds could do the splits.

1603
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 4: I mean, he had everything you want in the center.

1604
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 4: And that's a big reason why Kyle brought him Atlanta.

1605
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 4: And then Kyle brought him in San Francisco and he

1606
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 4: played thirteen years and you know, played amazing and I

1607
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,440
Speaker 4: forget what herear was in Cleveland, but the guy had appendicitis.

1608
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 4: Played the game the next week was the Then he

1609
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 4: had surgery, laid on the couch for ten days, and

1610
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 4: then like two days before the game, they taped him

1611
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 4: up and he went out and he played and he

1612
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 4: never missed a snap. It was truly remarkable, just the

1613
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 4: commitment and dedication that guy had to his brothers on

1614
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 4: the offensive line, to his teammates, and to the game

1615
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 4: of football.

1616
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 5: Seven time Pro Bowler, three times second team All Pro

1617
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, Remember the Hall of Fame's All Decade

1618
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 5: Team for the twenty tens and his point right there,

1619
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 5: at the age of thirty six, plays his final season

1620
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 5: in San Francisco with Kyle's only season he played with

1621
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 5: Kyle in San Francisco after being with him in Atlanta

1622
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 5: for five and he makes the Pro Bowl in his

1623
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 5: final season at the age of thirty six.

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's awesome, hey man.

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01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 4: And by the way, oh, thank you one more thing.

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 4: As we're giving Alex's flowers, I remember any and I

1627
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 4: went down to the Super Bowl that Atlanta played, and

1628
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 4: obviously the famous one to the Patriots. The broken leg.

1629
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 4: Hit a broken leg, so we went to dinner with him.

1630
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 4: We got in like sad or no Friday, so Friday

1631
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 4: before the game and he was on crutches. We went

1632
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 4: to dinner with him. He's like crutching in the in

1633
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 4: the restaurant and I'm like, dude, how are you going

1634
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 4: to play in like three days in the Super Bowl?

1635
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 4: Not like playing in the third game of the season

1636
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 4: against you know, the Jacksonville Jaguars. No, we're playing in

1637
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. And he's like, well, they're just gonna

1638
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 4: shoot it up and I'm going to go out there

1639
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 4: and play and like God, bless you man. There are

1640
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: a few people that have ever walked the face of

1641
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 4: the ear at as top as Alex mac.

1642
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,440
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this off because you know, obviously

1643
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 5: he's able to overcome and he's always there.

1644
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 3: Is he gonna?

1645
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 5: Is he making his great return to Turkey Camp this year?

1646
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 5: Because I know last year I think he had to

1647
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 5: be in like Ireland.

1648
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had his life from Dublin and so he

1649
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 4: had to be out there. But he will be making

1650
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 4: his return. He doesn't have a choice. And I can't

1651
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 4: wait to bring him back because he's always one of

1652
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 4: the stars, right, just like he was in the football field,

1653
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 4: he was always up for anything. At Turkey Camp, he's

1654
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 4: he's your boy. He's always up for anything and he

1655
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 4: never says no to anything. And I just love that

1656
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 4: that youthful joy that he had and he puts into

1657
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 4: everything he does in life. It's just fun to be

1658
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 4: around guys like that. He's not like Ze and like

1659
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 4: you Bo, right, like you just around those people. They

1660
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 4: just say yes to everything and they just want to

1661
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 4: have fun. They're just there. We're here for a good time,

1662
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 4: not a long time, I'm sure not.

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: That fun, hey man, enjoy it. Enjoy Vegas. I know

1664
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 2: that you will. We'll talk to you.

1665
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 4: Soon, all right, appreciate it. Guys, have a great day.

1666
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 3: All right.

1667
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,599
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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: be great call of the game. Let's have a listen.

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 2: Second and ten from the two fifty seven ago Sanders to.

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01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 6: Throw over the middle.

1684
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 11: Judy has him the forty.

1685
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 3: He's at the twenty five.

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 5: He's in the twenty Hi stepping out of a tackle,

1687
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 5: head into the end zone with a flip sixty yards touchdown.

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 3: Bro decisive with the football.

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 5: When you go out there with the running back, you

1690
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 5: get a linebackers. You pointed out, what is that tells

1691
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 5: door Sanders that it's man coverage. Jerry Judy beats his man.

1692
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 5: The accuracy, it's the ball placement. It's hitting players where

1693
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 5: they can get the yards after the catch. They don't

1694
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 5: have to slow down for it. He leads them upfield.

1695
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 5: That was a beautiful ball of folks. We may be seeing,

1696
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 5: we may be seeing Shador Sanders really start to take

1697
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 5: control of this job and.

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01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 3: This team, all right? Was that the great Dabo Davo

1699
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 3: was there?

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01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's brilliant, I do.

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 3: I will say that.

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 5: I will say we're very fortunate that we have the

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 5: room in there and Gibbe and everybody and there was

1704
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 5: so gracious to have Dabo in there, and we had

1705
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 5: you know, the mis was in Vegas. We did not

1706
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 5: have the room to have miss in Vegas anywhere. No,

1707
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 5: we were not gonna told no. Uh, but it's kind

1708
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 5: of fun some of those clips, like they get to

1709
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 5: have somebody in there, who's just like flipping out. I

1710
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 5: gotta tell you, Davo is so happy, love the experience

1711
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 5: so much and like, folks, just so you understand when

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01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 5: I when I referenced Dabo, name's Ben Dobbin. He is

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01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 5: like legitimately the Jim nance of us.

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01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like he is the number one caller they

1715
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 3: call it. He is Jim.

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01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 5: He's the gym dance for Australia. So he's like for him,

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01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 5: this was super cool to be in there. But when's

1718
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 5: the last time you saw somebody as sad? I mean,

1719
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 5: his face towards the end of that game was it

1720
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 5: was like somebody had told Bootsy that Christmas was canceled.

1721
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 5: So he's he travels from Australia every year to see

1722
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 5: a game. He has not seen a win in person,

1723
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 5: and like this was going to be it.

1724
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 6: This was it.

1725
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 3: He was sure of it.

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01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 5: And he's such a big Schador supporter and for Chador

1727
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 5: to ball out like.

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 3: That, he was so excited.

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01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 5: But he was, I mean, he was he called throwing

1730
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 5: for Ford today that they did he said four he

1731
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 5: did get four touchdowns?

1732
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 17: He got four touchdowns.

1733
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was yeah, it was very cool.

1734
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 17: He was he was sad. There's there's another clip that

1735
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 17: well we can't show, but's girl was just as sad and.

1736
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: I look forward for the backstory on that. Yeah, so

1737
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: that was That was a great play though, and I

1738
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: think that's for me. That's my takeaway from the game

1739
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: is the kids slung.

1740
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 5: It, anticipatory ball placement, the accuracy, the willingness to stand

1741
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 5: in the pocket and deliver the football, the ability to improvise.

1742
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 5: He did more as a runner for a guy that

1743
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 5: supposed he can't run. He did plenty good as a

1744
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 5: runner and was elusive. His eyes were better, his eyes

1745
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 5: were down the field. You know, there are a couple

1746
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 5: throws that you know you still want him to hit

1747
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 5: like Bond had has won the game where he got

1748
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 5: behind the defense and that one he just didn't quite

1749
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 5: get it to him. But I mean, this was this

1750
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 5: was a performance. I listen, I don't know that guy

1751
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 5: right there was he said it. This is where he

1752
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 5: starts to take control of this this job in this team,

1753
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 5: and now he's the starter for the rest of the season.

1754
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, all that you can ask for, all you

1755
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: could not ask. You can't ask for anything as a

1756
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 2: fifth throwne pick all you can hope for his opportunity.

1757
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 4: Yep.

1758
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 3: That's it. He has his opportunity now, yep, And what

1759
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 3: does he do with it?

1760
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: And if he plays well over the last month, then

1761
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: this organization doesn't have to look for a quarterback in

1762
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: the offseason, and that changes the trajectory of everything. And

1763
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 2: so that's what's in front of him. He's been given

1764
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: his opportunity, he's earned his opportunity. He's taking his opportunity

1765
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 2: and getting better each week, which is the thing that

1766
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 2: is the bright spot for me, is that every week

1767
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 2: there's something he adds to it, so that tells you

1768
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: he's putting in the work. And then beyond that, his

1769
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: natural gifts as a thrower are starting to shine. And

1770
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: so now you've got four games here to leave no

1771
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: doubt that you're the future quarterback of.

1772
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 3: This football team.

1773
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: That's the job, and that's the opportunity ahead of you, and

1774
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 2: it's all you can ask for.

1775
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 5: And you have to just keep it going because sometimes

1776
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 5: it's like guys who come out gangbusters, right, and then

1777
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 5: defenses adjust and take it away.

1778
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.

1779
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 5: When you can put the ball where you want it

1780
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 5: at every level of the field, they can't take that away. Yeah,

1781
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 5: and so this is this is big man, this is

1782
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 5: this that was a big one and if it can

1783
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 5: keep going, we are in a big situation here for

1784
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns where you're talking that this is real.

1785
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 5: This isn't just hope, this is this is We're on

1786
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 5: the road. We're on the road, and should Or Sanders

1787
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 5: feels like he's put you in a position where you

1788
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 5: can say and believe that that is a real possibility.

1789
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it feels pretty good. I'll let you,

1790
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: guys choose your own adventure. You want to do college

1791
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 2: football explainer or do we want to do around the AFC.

1792
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 17: North Still around the AFC North tomorrow with one thought?

1793
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 3: With one thought, yeah, let's do Yeah. I mean college football.

1794
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: Navy were unhappy. Okay, go ahead, what are you on

1795
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: college football? You go ahead? One.

1796
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 5: I'm unhappy, okay that the sixth seed in this tournament

1797
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 5: is not even being coached by the guy that started

1798
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 5: the season as their coach, because he's allowed to leave

1799
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 5: in the middle of it, Like it's absurd to me.

1800
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 3: So you and it's known that I've been unhappy about this.

1801
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not allowed to leave he's for They said, no,

1802
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 2: we're good because they don't want to coach in his roster.

1803
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 5: Because he should be allowed to take the LSU job

1804
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 5: until of course, January nineteenth, at roughly eleven pm.

1805
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 3: Well, knowing these college games, after I watched one of

1806
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 3: those and call that yeah, one in the morning.

1807
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 2: You like a break, don't they? They love a break.

1808
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: They love a thirty five minute uh pepper thing, like

1809
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: the game happened. How about the fact that they took

1810
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: a break while they reviewed the most important play of

1811
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 2: the game. It was in and they didn't even they

1812
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 2: weren't even on air for the reversal.

1813
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 3: Here's another thing.

1814
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 6: It's crazy.

1815
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 5: Here's another thing, Doctor Pepper thing. Yeah, unless you throw

1816
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,480
Speaker 5: it like a football, you're out. Of course, it's ridiculous.

1817
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 5: You can, by the way, and chess pass a football.

1818
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: With all due respect to the great folks at Dr Pepper,

1819
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: the the boots, he loves the Dr Pepper. You're giving

1820
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: away one hundred grand Man McAfee gives away a million

1821
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: on game day, Like, we gotta up a little bit

1822
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: and you have to throw like a football.

1823
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta throw like a football. Yeah, there's none

1824
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 3: of that, right, okay, I'm unhappy.

1825
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 5: Okay, the teams that have absolutely no chance of winning

1826
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 5: one game, let alone winning the whole thing are in

1827
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 5: this tournament.

1828
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 3: To tell you why they are, I know what? Well, yes, please, no,

1829
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 3: do you know?

1830
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 6: I mean?

1831
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 5: I think so because conference winners have to be in

1832
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,480
Speaker 5: or antitrust laws or nonsense.

1833
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 2: So in order to go to the to the twelve

1834
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 2: team playoff, they had to have every Division one conference

1835
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 2: they had to get a majority approval, so in that vote,

1836
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: the American.

1837
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: Had as much say as the SEC.

1838
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 2: So that is how that's how the highest ranked group

1839
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 2: of five team conference champion got into the dance. The

1840
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 2: reason the second one got in James Madison this instance

1841
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: is because of the ACC's absurd tiebreaker rule, Miami could

1842
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: not play for the ACC championship game, so instead it

1843
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:41,839
Speaker 2: was Duke against Virginia.

1844
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 3: Duke beat Virginia.

1845
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: Duke is the champion of the ACC, but is ranked

1846
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: behind James Madison. So that's how that happened. That's stupid,

1847
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: but that's how it happened. So dumb of course.

1848
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 5: First of all, giving any conference other than the big

1849
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 5: hole waiting with the SEC, everybody else should be quiet.

1850
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: And before that it'll be going forward. But to Lane

1851
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 2: and Old Miss have already played Old misbeat the breaks off.

1852
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm like forty five to fourteen. The other one James

1853
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 2: Madison going to Oregon. They're twenty one and a half

1854
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 2: point dogs.

1855
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 5: That's why that was it my other rule I had here,

1856
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 5: you're more than a fourteen point dog.

1857
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 3: You can't be in. You're out.

1858
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 5: Uh So that's that's that, Okay, why that happened. That

1859
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 5: we're making a TV show here, that's the reality of it.

1860
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 5: So here, I'm gonna give you a good TV show.

1861
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 5: You get the twelve best teams in here, or even

1862
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 5: the best TV draws. Right, So, Notre Dame is in.

1863
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 5: James Madison, you're out. Notre Dame you're in. I'm gonna

1864
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 5: go ahead, And Tu Lane, I'm sorry. The Green Wave

1865
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 5: love you. We're gonna throw Texas in there for fun.

1866
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 2: Maybe Vanderbilty high on bandy right now, we're very high

1867
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 2: on reason.

1868
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 3: We learn.

1869
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 2: That's a great, great institution. Yeah, with learning people something.

1870
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: People are the best, maybe the only place you'd ever

1871
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 2: want to go. That's the only place anybody ever wants

1872
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,440
Speaker 2: to go. Come on, let's go already.

1873
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 3: So that and that. What I gonna do is create

1874
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 3: another tournament.

1875
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 2: Okay, you wanna be you want to like redo the

1876
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: whole thing, Like we can do all of that.

1877
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 5: We need a tournament that's gonna have the James Madisons

1878
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 5: and the webs who are gonna play.

1879
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: They have They don't even need Devin n I t

1880
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 2: They already have the one double A teams play for

1881
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 2: their own tournament. They can do the same thing with

1882
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 2: those schools. The group of six can play for their

1883
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 2: own tournament, their own national championship.

1884
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 5: Yes, that's all you have to do is school and

1885
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 5: the big championship number three And now this one you

1886
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 5: need to explain to me.

1887
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's going on with Notre Dame.

1888
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 5: So now it's like we're not in here, so we're

1889
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 5: not playing in any bowl game.

1890
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 2: Good for them, but good for them. I agree with

1891
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 2: them for doing that. So here's here's what happened. This

1892
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: is this, This is the real truth of it. This

1893
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: is absolutely what happened. That committee had a choice. They

1894
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 2: could either piss off the SEC and Alabama and undermine

1895
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 2: the conference championship games, or they could piss off Notre Dame,

1896
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 2: and they chose to piss off Notre Dames. They don't

1897
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: have a conference back because they don't have a conference

1898
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 2: vacuum over the ACC.

1899
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 3: They're in the ACC for everything except football.

1900
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 2: But they could not risk upsetting the SEC again because

1901
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: the SEC is the one league and trust me, I

1902
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 2: lived in there for a long time. If they just

1903
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 2: crowned a national champion of SEC teams, they would be happy.

1904
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: They don't need to play anybody else in their mind,

1905
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: so they could take their ball and go home and

1906
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: be fine with it.

1907
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 3: I don't think that they would, but they had a choice.

1908
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: They could either upset Alabama the SEC, or they could

1909
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: upset Notre Dame.

1910
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 3: They chose to upset Notre Dame.

1911
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 2: Now, if you're going to say if the next thing is, well,

1912
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: wait a second, you can't penalize the team for losing

1913
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: its conference championship game, Well, holl on a second. You

1914
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 2: penalize BYU for losing their conference championship game?

1915
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but they're not in the SEC.

1916
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 2: And that's the reality that the SEC and the Big

1917
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 2: Ten really run this thing. And there is no way

1918
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 2: that committee was going to going to undermine the conference

1919
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: championship games because the SEC still wants to play theirs

1920
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: and there's no way that they were going to do that. Robbed,

1921
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 2: Notre Dame is better than Alabama. Alabama's been leaking oil

1922
01:27:59,280 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 2: for a month.

1923
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so here's what college. But they were never

1924
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 3: going to ever leave Alabama out. What about the.

1925
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 5: Days when the majority of bowl games had nothing to

1926
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 5: do with anything but the pageantry and the kids get

1927
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 5: to go and they get their swag and they have

1928
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 5: this bonding experience and it's a way for seniors or

1929
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 5: juniors were leaving to close out their college career. Their

1930
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 5: guys on Notre Dame was college career was just like

1931
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 5: abruptly ended. They thought they're playing for the playoffs, Like

1932
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 5: now you're not gonna play college football ever again.

1933
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 2: Well, because they don't want to go to Orlando and

1934
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 2: play BYU and the fill in the blank Pop Tart Bowl.

1935
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 2: There are a lot of them are millionaires, Like Jeremiah

1936
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: Love is going to go to the NFL Draft. He

1937
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 2: doesn't want to. He's not risking his health. That's when

1938
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: that Dan Patrick today heard him, and it was a

1939
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: great interview. Yeah, but he said he goes like, we're

1940
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 2: not going to have four or five of our best players.

1941
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 17: More than that probably they're not going to play in

1942
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 17: the game anyway. So when they doesn't do us any good.

1943
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 2: Bowls have become the Pro Bowl. Yes, because Notre Dame

1944
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 2: is not the only one. There's there's a dozen teams

1945
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: who were bailed on who got fine. Yeah, ioways stayed

1946
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: in case state got fine. The bulls are what happened

1947
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: to the Pro Bowl. The bulls used to be before

1948
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: you could pay players, before everybody got so wealthy.

1949
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 3: The bulls used to be the reward.

1950
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, come, stay a resort, will treat you well, get

1951
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of swag, play a game for fun against

1952
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 2: an opponent you don't normally see in warm weather. That's

1953
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: all gone. These kids all make a ton of money. Yep,

1954
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 2: there's no there's no need for them to do it anymore.

1955
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 2: And the coaches don't see the value in the fifteen

1956
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: practices anymore because their team's going to be very different

1957
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: the next year. It sucks what happened to Notre Dame.

1958
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 3: But sixteen team best sixteens? I actually don't. I think opposite.

1959
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 3: I think eight. Well, if you're gonna get rid of

1960
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 3: the riff raft, that's fine.

1961
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: I just think the best eight if you have three losses,

1962
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be contending for a national title, like it's

1963
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: a yah, isn't it all?

1964
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 4: Right?

1965
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 2: So I think they could have or it's gonna go

1966
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 2: where you're at, it's gonna go sixteen. They got to

1967
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 2: get the calendar, right, I do I know Notre Dame

1968
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 2: is really chesty right now about we will never join

1969
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:53,919
Speaker 2: a conference.

1970
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't and then I don't know.

1971
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 5: So Notre Dame has a thing now that going forward

1972
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 5: after this year, if they're ranked in the top toll

1973
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 5: they're automatically in.

1974
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 2: They Yeah, there's a memorandum that says that, but that's

1975
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,799
Speaker 2: only if it's twelve or fourteen. If it goes to sixteen,

1976
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 2: it wouldn't include that. The reality is as it stands

1977
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 2: right now. And this is really hard for Notre Dame

1978
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 2: folks to hear. Notre Dame almost needs the AEC more

1979
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 2: than they need them. The AEC isn't benefiting at all

1980
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: from having Notre Dame, and Notre Dame needs the a

1981
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 2: SEC for the scheduling partnership for all their non revenue sports,

1982
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 2: well otherwise they would.

1983
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 3: Have played Dame.

1984
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 17: Then it comes out and says there's a big, permanent

1985
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 17: damage done, I know, But where's he gonna it back

1986
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 17: at the end?

1987
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I think the Ten because they don't

1988
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 3: view themselves that way. They view themselves above the Big Ten.

1989
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 2: And that goes back to Michigan not let them in

1990
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 2: the Big Ten one hundred years ago.

1991
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1992
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 5: Times have changed, Yeah, they have. So that would be

1993
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 5: a good school to have in the Big Ten.

1994
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 3: It'd be great. It would make sense for everybody.

1995
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 17: And we'll talk about on four downs because I know

1996
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 17: we're up against it. But the fact that Ohio State

1997
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 17: is playing New Year's Eve I am angry about.

1998
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 6: Dude.

1999
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 2: How about the fact that Ohio State is playing New

2000
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 2: Year's Eve in Dallas against likely Texas A and m

2001
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: You didn't want to put him in Miami because they

2002
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 2: thought it would be a disadvantage to play in Miami

2003
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: against Miami.

2004
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

2005
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: That's a Buckeye home game, Texas A and m If

2006
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 2: it's Texas A and M and Dallas, that's Aggie, that's

2007
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 2: Aggie Land.

2008
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's I don't understand that though, thanks for nothing. Ye,

2009
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 3: I don't understand why they're playing New Year's Eve. Yeah,

2010
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

2011
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2022
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2023
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