Speaker 1: There's always some tension in every trial. This one, I
Speaker 1: would say, is an eight and a half or nine
Speaker 1: out of ten. He shop, I've seen little over space.
Speaker 1: The bullet ended up in the frontal lobe of the brain.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of steakecare for both sides.
Speaker 1: On the one side, the prosecution is overseeing the most expensive,
Speaker 1: most complex trial in the history of Ohio, and on
Speaker 1: the other hand, the defense is trying to save a
Speaker 1: guy's life. So no matter how you slice this, it
Speaker 1: is still life and death. This is The Piked and
Speaker 1: Massacre Season four, Episode four, Devil in the Details. I'm
Speaker 1: Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie
Speaker 1: Leidecker and Jeff Shane. We've been following this case moosly
Speaker 1: for almost five years, and it's surreal to see it
Speaker 1: all begin to unravel in a brick red nineteenth century
Speaker 1: courthouse on Second Street in Waverley, Ohio, a cozy town
Speaker 1: of four thousand on the Siota River. It's important to
Speaker 1: note that George Wagner, the fourth who's currently on trial,
Speaker 1: has pleaded not guilty and has maintained he did not
Speaker 1: kill anyone. His father Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming,
Speaker 1: has also pleaded not guilty to all charges. George Wagner
Speaker 1: the Fourth says he has absolutely nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the eight murders. His brother Jake and mother Angela have
Speaker 1: pled guilty too. But the prosecution believes they can put
Speaker 1: George Wagner the Fourth at the scene of the killings,
Speaker 1: or at least prove he was part of the murder conspiracy. Soon,
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner and Angela Wagner will take the stand against
Speaker 1: their family. Here's reporter James Pilcher. It depends on how
Speaker 1: believable the jury finds Jake and Angela, and is it
Speaker 1: possible that he works free Absolutely as possible. You never
Speaker 1: can tell. Jac has previously testified that George Wagner did
Speaker 1: not kill anyone. What he and his mother Angela will
Speaker 1: say on the stand is anyone's guess. Here's Stephanie and Jeff.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, the prosecution believes that they can put
Speaker 1: George Wagner the Fourth at the scene of the killings,
Speaker 1: or at least they feel they can prove that he
Speaker 1: was part of the murder conspiracy. Prosecutor Angie Kinnepp. But
Speaker 1: you'll remember agreed in December twenty twenty ones hearing that
Speaker 1: George Wagner the Fourth didn't kill anybody. However, unique to
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio, someone can be sentenced to death
Speaker 1: for an aggravated murder conviction and step It's an interesting
Speaker 1: distinction that we really want to make clear because it
Speaker 1: means that you can be convicted even if all you
Speaker 1: did was help plan or cover up the crimes. Jake
Speaker 1: and Angela have been proven to be liars in the past.
Speaker 1: Remember after the murders, they claimed their innocence and then
Speaker 1: years later, of course, changed their story. So why should
Speaker 1: we believe them now. Pike County Sheriff Tracy Evans chose
Speaker 1: not to be recorded while testifying, which is rare for
Speaker 1: an elected official. We do know Evans told jurors he
Speaker 1: was the one who determined Dana Rodin had been shot
Speaker 1: to death after removing a blanket and pillow that was
Speaker 1: covering her head. One key witness who agreed to be
Speaker 1: recorded was Miranda Cable, a registered nurse and paramedic who
Speaker 1: responded to the call at Frankie Rodin and Hannah Gilly's house.
Speaker 1: She's one of the first responders to testify about the
Speaker 1: crime scenes. Initially, Cable thought it was a domestic violence
Speaker 1: dispute where somebody was possibly killed. She was then directed
Speaker 1: to a second location, where she learned they were only
Speaker 1: to seize people on the scene. She then returned to
Speaker 1: Hannah Gilly and Frankie Rowden's house, where the couple was
Speaker 1: found brutally slaughtered. Their six month old baby had been
Speaker 1: discovered alive, covered in their blood. We were asked to
Speaker 1: go back to the first residence to transport a child.
Speaker 1: And do you know that child's name? Yes, it was
Speaker 1: Rod Okay. To protect the children's identities, we will beat
Speaker 1: the use of any miners' names used in court. Do
Speaker 1: you know how old Roden was at that time? Six months? Okay?
Speaker 1: So five minutes later basically okay. And do you recall
Speaker 1: the condition that you found in. He had blood on
Speaker 1: his head, on his arms, and legs, in various parts
Speaker 1: of his body. He didn't appear to have any visible injuries,
Speaker 1: showing you what's been marked as states Exhibit Q two. Again,
Speaker 1: if there appears to be blood on his legs and
Speaker 1: feet and head and face, is that consistent with the
Speaker 1: condition you found him in? Yes? Okay? And can you
Speaker 1: tell us when you were exam meaning hand, did you
Speaker 1: personally take care not to clean him up? R and
Speaker 1: he getting at that time, Forensic investigator Joseph Scott Morgan,
Speaker 1: the fact that Miranda, that eunt had walked in and
Speaker 1: she was essentially handed over like this still living legacy,
Speaker 1: if you will, that stained in blood swaddled the child.
Speaker 1: I would imagine blood stained diaper, you know, and has
Speaker 1: to make sure and at that moment, you know, you
Speaker 1: can imagine. I know that I've been on scenes before
Speaker 1: that were very dramatic, but in that moment time you're
Speaker 1: getting a sense that everybody's been wiped out and this
Speaker 1: little precious angel is still cooing and alive. The defense
Speaker 1: did not cross. Timothy Dickerson, former Pike County Police officer
Speaker 1: and director of Pike the Emergency Management, also arrived on
Speaker 1: the scene. In his court testimony, he detailed entering Dana
Speaker 1: Roden's house to find the bodies of Hanname and Chris
Speaker 1: Roden Jr. It was a grizzly spectacle. Actually did my
Speaker 1: vehicle went into the home, I didn't turn right, went
Speaker 1: into a room and found a deceased male. He was
Speaker 1: in the bed went from there out through I guess
Speaker 1: would be the living room in the kitchen area, to
Speaker 1: another room where a deceased female was located, and then
Speaker 1: made a right and found a third deceased female. While
Speaker 1: Dickerson was in Hanname's room, he heard a sound and
Speaker 1: saw a baby's arms extend up from the bed in
Speaker 1: which her mother had been shot to death. Who was
Speaker 1: the baby's condition? From what I remember, I just remember
Speaker 1: the diaper having blood on it. It was a traumatic
Speaker 1: scene in a large scene, and when I discovered that
Speaker 1: the baby was alive, I was very thankful for that.
Speaker 1: Did you have a fear that the baby might not
Speaker 1: have been alive? Yes. Dickerson later learned the baby was
Speaker 1: only four days old. In his words, she was very
Speaker 1: very tiny. The jury on day four was shown numerable
Speaker 1: evidence photos of inside the home, bloody drag marks, blood
Speaker 1: spatter on the wall, and other forensic material. All of
Speaker 1: this might trigger a jury to respond in anger. The
Speaker 1: defense questioned whether all these grey exhibits were necessary. Here's
Speaker 1: James Pilcher. They dove into the third crime scene, which
Speaker 1: was the house that belonged to Dana Manly Roden, and
Speaker 1: that's where she her son Chris Junior, and her daughter
Speaker 1: Hannah Roden were all found shot to death in their beds.
Speaker 1: There was a newborn infant found alive next to Hannah,
Speaker 1: her newborn daughter. Here again, Stephanie and Jeff in court,
Speaker 1: they've been showing these autopsy photos of the victims and
Speaker 1: the crime scenes. As we've been hearing, very graphic and
Speaker 1: very disturbing. And due to the graphic nature of all
Speaker 1: these pictures and walk through, the defense has tried to
Speaker 1: move for a mistrime. Basically, how it works in the
Speaker 1: courtroom is behind the witness, there's a flat screen television
Speaker 1: and when pictures are shown of the crime scenes in autopsies, etc.
Speaker 1: It goes on this big screen, and of course the
Speaker 1: jury is moved emotionally by the graphic nature of it,
Speaker 1: and the defense is saying, hey, that's not fair. It's
Speaker 1: not proven that George has done this, so humans in
Speaker 1: general are going to feel angry toward anybody who might
Speaker 1: be associated with these photographs. And on the flip of that,
Speaker 1: prosecutor Angie Kneppa is saying, look, this is what happened.
Speaker 1: To not show these photos is also a crime. You
Speaker 1: have to see the graphic details to really know the
Speaker 1: depth of these crimes. We're going to take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. Defense attorney Richard Nash
Speaker 1: drilled Dickerson on where Dana Roden's home was located. Was
Speaker 1: it in Pike, Adams or Sciota County. When Dickerson answered
Speaker 1: Pike at first, the two got into a heated exchange.
Speaker 1: This was a case of an old motion rearing its
Speaker 1: head again that the trial venue was in proper and
Speaker 1: search warrants invalid because Dana's home was not technically in
Speaker 1: Pike County. James Pilcher, I think if anybody's familiar with
Speaker 1: old school basketball, this feels like the old four corners offense.
Speaker 1: By the defense, they are just playing stallball. They are
Speaker 1: trying to make this thing last as long as they
Speaker 1: can get as many jurors frustrated as they can with
Speaker 1: the prosecution. After Dickerson, prosecutors called Gary Michael Mosley, a
Speaker 1: former Piked In officer who responded to the scene along
Speaker 1: with Dickerson's team. Mosley opted not to be shown on camera,
Speaker 1: but consented to an audio recording. He says he and
Speaker 1: his fellow deputies responded to a shots fired call at
Speaker 1: Dana Roden's house. They searched the property with extreme caution,
Speaker 1: Gunstrawn fearing an active shooter was still on the premises.
Speaker 1: We had no idea how his audio is a little
Speaker 1: bit difficult to hear, so Jeff's going to read from
Speaker 1: a transcript. Guns were out. We had a plan. Once again,
Speaker 1: we had no idea. The house was designed the way
Speaker 1: it was, so our plan was just to go in
Speaker 1: and set up security base once we make entry and
Speaker 1: go from there and secure it. Bit by bit. We
Speaker 1: opened the door and the door swings inward to the right,
Speaker 1: so as I came in, I do what's called a
Speaker 1: piegraph cut. I'm an active shooter instructor, and I was
Speaker 1: taught that. So we come in. I spin from this
Speaker 1: wall to this wall, constantly looking to see if there's
Speaker 1: any threats in this room. Another key witness who took
Speaker 1: the stand was Sheriff's Lieutenant Adam Ball, who was the
Speaker 1: first officer on the murder scene. Ball had no idea
Speaker 1: what he was responding to when he pulled up to
Speaker 1: the property. He also opted not to be recorded, but
Speaker 1: Ohio Fox nineteen reporter Mike Sell relays the gist of
Speaker 1: the lieutenants testimony. The first witness opted out of being recorded.
Speaker 1: He has Pike County Shars Lieutenant Adam Ball. He testified
Speaker 1: that he was the first officer to enter the crime
Speaker 1: scene at forty seventy seven Union Hill Road where the
Speaker 1: bodies of Chris Rhoden Jr. And his cousin Gary were found.
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Ball, who was a corporal in twenty sixteen, says
Speaker 1: there was so much blood when he walked into the
Speaker 1: front door that he had to climb over a treadmill
Speaker 1: and other furniture to avoid disturbing the crime scene and
Speaker 1: get to the back bedroom where Chris and Gary Rodan's
Speaker 1: bodies were found lying together on the floor at the
Speaker 1: foot of a bed. Chris Senior's fate was particularly heinous.
Speaker 1: The arm he held up in self defense was blown
Speaker 1: off at the elbow. Here again, forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
Speaker 1: Chris Senior's arm was so just absolutely mangled that she
Speaker 1: stated that many of the major muscleberts were visible, you
Speaker 1: can see fracture bone, and she could not make heads
Speaker 1: or tails. At what point the bullet entered his arm
Speaker 1: and what pointed exit. That's important for us because from
Speaker 1: a forensic standpoint a scene, because that goes to the
Speaker 1: dynamics of what's happening at the moment. It's not like
Speaker 1: you're shooting at a fixed paper target at a gun range. Okay,
Speaker 1: if Chriss rotated slightly to the left or to the right,
Speaker 1: that could give you an indication that he had an
Speaker 1: awareness and he was being shot as opposed to straight
Speaker 1: on where he's staring down the muzzle of this weapon.
Speaker 1: Here again, James Pilcher, he would have bled to death
Speaker 1: from the shot in the arm. The shot to his stomach.
Speaker 1: He might have survived for several hours without treatment, but
Speaker 1: it would have caused sepsis and other things, and it
Speaker 1: hit liver and all that. The shot to his chest
Speaker 1: hit his heart, he would have died within a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes. And then of course there are the six
Speaker 1: shots to the head, and they said that four of
Speaker 1: the shots to the head were clearly he was already
Speaker 1: lying down and not moving, so these were just on
Speaker 1: top of everything else. They shot him while it's on
Speaker 1: the ground, Bang bang bang. Lieutenant Ball was also the
Speaker 1: one to discovered the Rodents marijuana grow operation. He described
Speaker 1: it as quote extensive, taking up a garage and outbuilding
Speaker 1: an a semi trailer. He also discovered that the Rodent
Speaker 1: security cameras had been dismantled. Lieutenant Ball actually went outside
Speaker 1: after clearing the house because they didn't know if anybody
Speaker 1: was still around. They didn't know if somebody was still
Speaker 1: on the property killing anybody, or armed or whatever. So
Speaker 1: after clearing the trailer, Chris and Gary later they went
Speaker 1: out and cleared the property and at that point that's
Speaker 1: when they found the open marijuana grow operation. And they
Speaker 1: went upstairs and that's when they found, hey, there's cameras
Speaker 1: and wires and no DVR. The defense exploited the operation
Speaker 1: to suggest that the murders could have been cartel related,
Speaker 1: a theory police have long dismissed. At one time, there
Speaker 1: was a speculation that a Mexican drug cartel may have
Speaker 1: been involved in the murders, but then Ohio Attorney General
Speaker 1: Mike DeWine said it was not a factor. The motive
Speaker 1: was a custody dispute over Jake Wagner and Hannah Rodent's
Speaker 1: two year old daughter. It's obviously too early to surmise
Speaker 1: how this trial is skewing, but one glaring omission from
Speaker 1: the defense is this George Wagner the fourth attorneys have
Speaker 1: yet to offer up a clear, solid alibi for where
Speaker 1: George was on the night of the killings. Again, James Pelcher,
Speaker 1: they've been kind of vague on this point. They have
Speaker 1: not come out and said and actually this was they
Speaker 1: were about to say something along those lines, and they're
Speaker 1: opening the defenses opening, and there was an immediate objection
Speaker 1: and they went back in the chambers. Five minutes into
Speaker 1: the defenses opening, you get, you get ejection from the prosecution.
Speaker 1: It was really really strange, and they kind of intimated
Speaker 1: that George stayed home and was asleep in his bed
Speaker 1: and he was going out and he found it really
Speaker 1: weird that Jake was up before him working. He wanted
Speaker 1: nothing to do with his family and he wanted he's
Speaker 1: trying to stay away from him. But they never came
Speaker 1: out and said he has an alibi. That never came
Speaker 1: out and said this is where he was. And that's
Speaker 1: going to be the difficult thing for the defense, especially
Speaker 1: when you start seeing their funds were commingled. They even
Speaker 1: have him on recording telling his mother, I don't want
Speaker 1: to leave. We're all here together this place as a moneymaker.
Speaker 1: This is after they moved to Alaska. I know him
Speaker 1: jumping and have myself. But there have been evidence produced
Speaker 1: since the first stages of the trial that have indicated
Speaker 1: that George was still part of the family. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to leave, like the defense has indicated in their
Speaker 1: opening statements, and the prosecution is specifically tailoring there evidence
Speaker 1: towards what the defense set in the opening statement that
Speaker 1: George wanted to move out, George wanted nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the family, and they're introducing evidence piece by piece
Speaker 1: that that was not the kiss. Joseph Scott Morgan weighs
Speaker 1: in on the challenges the prosecution faces to place George
Speaker 1: at the scene of the crime. I think that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of circumstantial issues regarding the planning. I
Speaker 1: think that he had an awareness obviously, and for all
Speaker 1: I know, he was very well in the vehicle, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, who am I to say, but
Speaker 1: to physically put him in you know, in the trailer
Speaker 1: with for instance, with Chris and Gary that night when
Speaker 1: that hole was blown through the door, or you know,
Speaker 1: when that wood was splintered and sent into Chris Senior's face.
Speaker 1: You know, you really think you know, was he there?
Speaker 1: You know, was he physically there while it was happening,
Speaker 1: or when the bodies are being drug from one room
Speaker 1: to the other, you know, Which is kind of an
Speaker 1: exclamation point in all of this because it goes to
Speaker 1: the kind of the ghastliness of it all. Here again,
Speaker 1: Stephanie and Jeff. At this stage, it seems that the
Speaker 1: main question is was George Wagner there and if he
Speaker 1: wasn't was he a part of the planning? And if
Speaker 1: he was a part of the planning, is he equally culpable.
Speaker 1: It seems like what the defense will try to do
Speaker 1: is hammer away at this story and argue that yes,
Speaker 1: he came from a bad family, but that doesn't make
Speaker 1: him a bad guy. So, as we learned last season,
Speaker 1: the opinion of George Wagner is a little mixed. Some
Speaker 1: people were shocked that he was involved with the murders
Speaker 1: and had a very hard time wrapping their head around it,
Speaker 1: and other people were not surprised and thought he was
Speaker 1: very much a part of the Wagner clan. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's just going to be fascinating to watch
Speaker 1: all of this play out in the courtroom. The prosecution
Speaker 1: has its vulnerabilities. Also among the media pool, there is
Speaker 1: definitely a sense of questioning about the prosecution strategy and
Speaker 1: when are they all going to tie this together? When
Speaker 1: are they going to point to George being part of
Speaker 1: this conspiracy because none of the physical evidence presented so far.
Speaker 1: They're starting to get into some of the other evidence
Speaker 1: on the wire taps and so forth, but they even
Speaker 1: stipulated none of the physical evidence they found that the
Speaker 1: crime scenes had any of the wagoners to any of
Speaker 1: these crime scenes. Joseph Morgan theorizes about how the lack
Speaker 1: of DNA evidence will be a possible blockade improving George
Speaker 1: the Fourth was there the night of the slaves. It's
Speaker 1: tough nowadays. You know, maybe ten years ago it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been tough, but we're in a brave new world.
Speaker 1: People have an expectation that, oh, they're going to get
Speaker 1: you and talk about DNA. I've seen that on television,
Speaker 1: and you get up there and it's a big fail,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as the jury is concerned. But
Speaker 1: just because you have an absence of something doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that something hasn't occurred. It's just that that's what many
Speaker 1: people expect. You know that we can conjure up DNA
Speaker 1: and you can't. It's either there it's not, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's significant, and it's also significant
Speaker 1: relative to fingerprints as well. Let's stop here for another break.
Speaker 1: With eight bodies and four suspects, this is a case
Speaker 1: with a dizzying number of moving pieces, and there's a
Speaker 1: real risk of the jury being confused, allowing reasonable doubt
Speaker 1: to seep in. Here's long Crimes legal analyst Terry Austin.
Speaker 1: The more complicated, the better for the defense. The most
Speaker 1: complicating part of this case is keeping track of the
Speaker 1: names and the relationships. I mean, we know already that
Speaker 1: there are eight victims for defendants for different crime scenes,
Speaker 1: and all of those individuals have people who were involved
Speaker 1: in terms of finding those individuals who were killed, and
Speaker 1: so the biggest issue for the prosecution is going to
Speaker 1: keep everything straight. You want that jury to follow your story.
Speaker 1: In the case of prosecution trying to pursue the claims
Speaker 1: against George, it's going to be difficult to establish that motive.
Speaker 1: They have evidence against, you know, obviously Jake against Angela,
Speaker 1: but I think it might be difficult and all you
Speaker 1: have to do, as you know, is have one juror
Speaker 1: who has reasonable doubt and doesn't want to convict and
Speaker 1: where you have it. So we'll see what happens. But
Speaker 1: I think there could be some doubt in the case
Speaker 1: against George here. And remember, this is a jury of
Speaker 1: his peers that's rooted within our family documents, and his
Speaker 1: peers consist of those that live in that small slice
Speaker 1: of the world up there that they see each other
Speaker 1: day to day, you know, Walmarton at cafe and everywhere
Speaker 1: else that they go up there, they see one another
Speaker 1: and they know one They raise their hands one another,
Speaker 1: they're driving down the road and wave, you know, and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. It's that kind of community. And
Speaker 1: I previously said and I'll continue to say that the
Speaker 1: level of brutality that is involved in the pike and massacre,
Speaker 1: in the murders of the road and family, again, it
Speaker 1: is something that is going to live in infamy in
Speaker 1: this corner of the world. It's the type of thing
Speaker 1: that one hundred years from now, kits will sit around
Speaker 1: campfires and they will tell horror stories about this is
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with in that world. And so it's
Speaker 1: on the shoulders of this jury to weigh the evidence
Speaker 1: and decide, you know, is somebody going to be made
Speaker 1: to pay. But they've got a hard decision, I think,
Speaker 1: and it's still coming and they're not there yet, but
Speaker 1: they will have a hard decision to make it by George.
Speaker 1: So look at it this way. TV has sixty minutes,
Speaker 1: maybe two hours, or a movie to tell a story
Speaker 1: about a trial. You can only fit so much evidence.
Speaker 1: You can only fit so much dramatic moments into that.
Speaker 1: But when you're dealing with the actual rule of law
Speaker 1: and how you can introduce evidence and what kind of
Speaker 1: questions you can ask and all those things, all that
Speaker 1: stuff you see on TV is out the door. So
Speaker 1: what we're seeing is the very slow incremental process of
Speaker 1: justice and the law. In this case, Lady gentleman, a jury,
Speaker 1: we're going to know a journ for the day, could
Speaker 1: be going home, could be taking your badges with you.
Speaker 1: I'd be leaving your notepads chairs. As Day four wrapped
Speaker 1: up in the face of all the brutal evidence, presiding
Speaker 1: Judge Randy Deering took a moment to remind the jury
Speaker 1: of their weighty responsibilities. And you know what else I'm
Speaker 1: going to say, you not to discuss this case among
Speaker 1: yourselves or with anyone else. You're not to permit this
Speaker 1: case to be discussed with you or in your presence.
Speaker 1: You're not to form or express an opinion concerning this
Speaker 1: case until it is finally submitted to you for deliberation
Speaker 1: and verdict. You m read, listen to, or view any
Speaker 1: reports or accounts of this case from any source whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Even though many witnesses are opting out of being recorded,
Speaker 1: the Katie Studios team and experts are there. In the
Speaker 1: coming weeks, the pieces of a devastating and complicated puzzle
Speaker 1: will finally come together once and for all. I would
Speaker 1: say they are trying to shock the jury at this
Speaker 1: point with the violence of it, for sure, because they
Speaker 1: showed the pictures of people dead in their beds or
Speaker 1: on the floor or pulled into beds time and time
Speaker 1: and time again. I can't imagine. Can you even put
Speaker 1: it into words what it's like or slop living in hail?
Speaker 1: Really well, I was trying to get home my father,
Speaker 1: and I want a will get GREGI to let him
Speaker 1: know that his brother and his niece and nephews and
Speaker 1: stuff has been killed, Luke, said their dad, Billy Wagner,
Speaker 1: once threatened violence against his dad and his uncle, Chris
Speaker 1: Roden Senior. Luke said that while his dad and uncle
Speaker 1: were doing a good deed for Billy Wagner, Billy told
Speaker 1: Luke that a dust up between the three of them
Speaker 1: would not end well. Marma worse. This case is about
Speaker 1: to blow a wide open. More on that next time.
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