Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of The Mark
Speaker 1: Moss Show, where we talk about, of course, the decentralized revolution,
Speaker 1: talking about the way the world is breaking up from
Speaker 1: a unipol or centralized world to a decentralized world as
Speaker 1: we look at it through the lens of politics, finance,
Speaker 1: and technology. Of course, that technology that's always changing the world,
Speaker 1: and today we are witnessing the decentralized technology of Bitcoin
Speaker 1: changing things, touching everything in the world. I like to
Speaker 1: bring to you some las breaking news, some education, and
Speaker 1: some new guests so you don't have to listen to
Speaker 1: me all the time. And that's what I have for
Speaker 1: you today. I'm joined by Nolan Bowerley. He is the
Speaker 1: host of The Breakup Daily Show on YouTube and Rumble
Speaker 1: every day at eight am Eastern. Nolan, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today.
Speaker 2: Mark. It's great. You know I first found you because
Speaker 2: I produced coin Esk's twenty eighteen Consensus show. I was
Speaker 2: an early coind esker and part of all that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you did a great video when you were I
Speaker 2: think just start. It was been twenty eighteen, so you'd
Speaker 2: have been early to YouTube and he did a great video.
Speaker 2: Just getting back to California. I was getting all the
Speaker 2: review use in of the show, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people criticized it. It was big, a lot of energy,
Speaker 2: but you loved it. I've had a soft spot for
Speaker 2: your connent ever since.
Speaker 1: Thanks Nolan. Yeah, that was interesting. I didn't start this
Speaker 1: my existing YouTube channel until the end of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: but at the time I had a business partner. I
Speaker 1: think we did the video together and we had like
Speaker 1: a business YouTube channel that we did it on. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that was at the very very beginning. We went there
Speaker 1: and did some interviews and did like kind of a
Speaker 1: wrap up and yeah, that was interesting. That's takes me
Speaker 1: way back how far we've both come since then. That's
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Sure, tell me about the breakup for a second, Like,
Speaker 1: what does that even mean the breakup? What are the
Speaker 1: topics that you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Really, we're in a relationship with money, right, it's it's
Speaker 2: and when we're dealing with bitcoin, we are and it's
Speaker 2: all about bitcoin, right Bit. Bitcoin is separate in all
Speaker 2: of these assets and all of these players because while
Speaker 2: they're all psychological commodities, right, the US dollar is a
Speaker 2: psychological commodity. Bitcoin is a psychological commodity. What I sort
Speaker 2: of try to do on my show is to contrast
Speaker 2: the mindset that comes from dollars with the mindset that
Speaker 2: comes from bitcoin and really talk about the sort of
Speaker 2: relationships that it cultivates, the commercial relationships and in some
Speaker 2: ways the inertia that the dollar has created. I use
Speaker 2: a lot of union analysis. Let's say, right, you know,
Speaker 2: when you have the process of individuation, you have to
Speaker 2: have encounter, right, you have to encounter your shadow. You
Speaker 2: got to encounter your negative sides. And in some ways
Speaker 2: we don't have that capacity anymore because we can't count
Speaker 2: the money. There's literally no way to count dollars. So
Speaker 2: you have this incredible mutant that's formed inside of America,
Speaker 2: this sort of opposite, a binary of what we think
Speaker 2: of America, the opposite of what it is and what
Speaker 2: we want it to be. And in some ways I
Speaker 2: argue that bitcoin is here to push that shadow into
Speaker 2: the forefront so that America can individuate its problems and
Speaker 2: redefine what a country is in the modern world. So
Speaker 2: the whole show is really just about the perpetuation. I
Speaker 2: think of the economy as a psychological engine. How does
Speaker 2: an engine move forward? Right, it's got to have commercial relationships,
Speaker 2: it's got to have enthusiasm, it's got to have what
Speaker 2: you see in the bitcoin community, right. So bitcoiners have
Speaker 2: stayed in the game to such an extent that you
Speaker 2: can think of them as sort of playable characters in
Speaker 2: this video game. That is the economy, that is, you know,
Speaker 2: the current history that we're living through, the simulations some
Speaker 2: people say, with all these aliens and all this other stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, from that, you can just sort of
Speaker 2: imagine that bitcoiners are in the game just like yourself
Speaker 2: around in twenty eighteen. Bitcoiners are not falling to the
Speaker 2: wayside because they had all these crazy ideas like everyone
Speaker 2: who's still sort of corrupted by the Fiat self, the
Speaker 2: Fiat world, the dead end street, that that commercial system offers,
Speaker 2: that that psychological engine offer. So the whole point of
Speaker 2: the show is to just take new stories of the
Speaker 2: day and describe why you'd want to trade dollars. It's
Speaker 2: not about buying bitcoin, it's about why you'd want to
Speaker 2: dump dollars the system behind it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. As you're talking, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, like the chicken or the egg type of thing,
Speaker 1: where which one changes which right, And of course we
Speaker 1: know when bitcoin was created, sokomotive put a message into
Speaker 1: the blockchain, you know, the chancels don't the break up
Speaker 1: a second bailout, so sort of telling us that it
Speaker 1: was created to solve a problem. So technology, typically solutions
Speaker 1: are supposed to come and solve problems. I say typically
Speaker 1: because today we're in a day and age where we
Speaker 1: have all this money trying to solve problems I don't
Speaker 1: need to be solved. We saw that in the late
Speaker 1: nineties with the dot com bubble. We saw it obviously
Speaker 1: with the crypto bubble. Were sitting with the AI bubble
Speaker 1: and they're trying to what can I do, What can
Speaker 1: I go do with this technology? But like, we don't
Speaker 1: really need that stuff, but we're supposed to solve problems,
Speaker 1: and so on one hand, it was created as a
Speaker 1: solution to this existing problem of centralized money and manipulation.
Speaker 1: But then kind of to the point that you're saying,
Speaker 1: but then it starts changing things, and so it's sort
Speaker 1: of a little bit of the chicken or the egg
Speaker 1: kind of a syndrome there. Before we started recording, we
Speaker 1: were talking and you were telling me how at the
Speaker 1: last Bitcoin conference. You guys are really good photos of
Speaker 1: me with Vivik Ramaswami, and we were kind of just
Speaker 1: talking about that, which, by the way, thank you for
Speaker 1: getting those. I'm excited to get those. But you were
Speaker 1: talking about how, you know, he sets them outlandish things
Speaker 1: and how RFK is maybe having this like Trump moment,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't really thought about jumping into that conversation specifically,
Speaker 1: but I like to talk about the convergence of politics, finance,
Speaker 1: and technology, because I think you have to look at
Speaker 1: all three of those to really get context of what's
Speaker 1: going on. So let's jump into the politics for a second.
Speaker 1: I want to get more about what you're saying about
Speaker 1: RFK and sort of this Trump moment. I hosted a
Speaker 1: Twitter spaces with RFK yesterday that was pretty cool. But
Speaker 1: let's talk about Vivic for a second. And I had
Speaker 1: said that the one comment I didn't like from him
Speaker 1: is this like we're gonna go blow up the cartels,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm just like, WHOA, Like you can't
Speaker 1: do that, Like we can't just be warmongering all over
Speaker 1: the world. I think that's a big problem. Kennedy certainly
Speaker 1: against that. And then you said well, maybe we should.
Speaker 1: Like Mexico is not really a country, they're more like
Speaker 1: controlled by cartels like that for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I say maybe maybe we should, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying what I think I want to happen. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying what I want to happen. I'm saying
Speaker 2: what I think will happen. So there's a difference, right,
Speaker 2: predicting a thing that's going to happen. It is not
Speaker 2: exactly the same as advocate.
Speaker 1: Certainly, there's a lot of things to happen that I
Speaker 1: certainly don't want to happen. I'm trying to stop them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I don't want to see anyone in Mexico
Speaker 2: dying or anything like that. That that's for sure. But
Speaker 2: when you start thinking about the supply chain, for example,
Speaker 2: in the fentanyl crisis, and you start to think of
Speaker 2: the playable characters that are involved in this game, you
Speaker 2: know it goes back to China with some of the
Speaker 2: primary products involved in these in the fentanyl distribution. We
Speaker 2: know the names of these people. I mean, we know them, right,
Speaker 2: So we tried many times America tried in trade deals
Speaker 2: bilatteral trade deals with China and said you deal with
Speaker 2: this fentanyl problem. If China was ever serious about dealing
Speaker 2: with the fentanyl problem, those people, I think they know
Speaker 2: how to find people and arrest them. I've heard any
Speaker 2: way that China as a pretty efficient system at rooting
Speaker 2: out people that doesn't want around. Well, that's never happened.
Speaker 2: These people are still roaming free in China. And we
Speaker 2: know the supply chains, right, we know how they get
Speaker 2: the stuff to America. So when Vivec is talking about
Speaker 2: destroying these cartels, remember no one is talking about attacking
Speaker 2: Mexican people Mexican towns, but the cartels are separate, right.
Speaker 2: I would imagine you'd get some kind of a flyover
Speaker 2: brochure and say saying that anyone who's here in the
Speaker 2: next little while get out because there's a drone swarm coming,
Speaker 2: or there's some form of military operation coming. So it's
Speaker 2: more just predicting that eventually if you can't. If you
Speaker 2: look at what's in the news today, it seems like
Speaker 2: most of America's entanglements somehow involve the Biden family, the
Speaker 2: Democrat family, the Democrat system, the uniparty as well. Let's
Speaker 2: not let Republicans off the hook here, certainly involved in
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff, But the whole issue becomes, right,
Speaker 2: what will happen to this military apparatus when it's not
Speaker 2: covering up whatever is going on in Ukraine and Russia?
Speaker 2: Who can tell, right, but one would imagine they can
Speaker 2: be recalibrated maybe for this mission over there to stop
Speaker 2: the drugs from coming into America. Now, it's not something
Speaker 2: I want to see happen, but when Vivek is talking
Speaker 2: about it, he's doing the Trump campaign trick of saying
Speaker 2: the thing that will keep him in the news. Right.
Speaker 2: Just look at the spending the campaign has done. They've
Speaker 2: spent very little money, yet he has been able to
Speaker 2: surf on top of a wave of attention the same
Speaker 2: way Trump did. Remember Trump's original twenty fifteen campaign tactic
Speaker 2: was to keep the little red light going right, to
Speaker 2: keep all the live cameras that were covering him on,
Speaker 2: and vivec seems to be copying that exactly Now. I
Speaker 2: feel like the energy in the early Trump campaign is
Speaker 2: more captured by the RFK campaign, but the tactics are
Speaker 2: slightly different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nolan, I got to cut you off right there.
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Speaker 1: you're just tune in you're listening to the Mark Moss Show.
Speaker 1: Of course, we're always talking about the decentralized revolution. I'm
Speaker 1: in the studio with Nolan Bowerley. We're talking about he's
Speaker 1: the host of The Breakup Daily Show on YouTube and
Speaker 1: Rumble eight am Eastern every single day. Nolan. Before the
Speaker 1: break we were talking about sort of what you were
Speaker 1: kind of eyeing up with Vivic and some of his
Speaker 1: comments about the drug cartels, and I just kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to jump back into that for a second because
Speaker 1: you mentioned you dissected sort of this ventanyl crisis pretty well.
Speaker 1: It's scary. I mean, I got kids, and it's the
Speaker 1: number one cause of death of eighteen to thirty four
Speaker 1: year olds. My daughter's in high school and she knows
Speaker 1: two people who have died. I mean, it's like, really
Speaker 1: really scary.
Speaker 2: And it's for people who aren't doing the typical It's
Speaker 2: not always recreational drugs. It's for people ordering like an
Speaker 2: adderall on TikTok or something or on Instagram, and for studying.
Speaker 2: You're hearing some pretty unbelievable cases.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know you framed it up pretty well,
Speaker 1: so I know you've you spent a little bit of
Speaker 1: time looking into this. And and to your point, you said,
Speaker 1: you know, we know who the people are in China,
Speaker 1: we know who their names are, right, And one of
Speaker 1: the big problems is that it's not illegal in China,
Speaker 1: and so China won't do anything about it. And it
Speaker 1: sort of reminds me. It almost makes me think of
Speaker 1: revenge for the opioid uh, you know, wars that the
Speaker 1: US inflicted on China.
Speaker 2: We got oh hold on, no, no, no, America was
Speaker 2: not even around.
Speaker 1: This was British, okay, okay. So so it was in
Speaker 1: the late it was in America.
Speaker 2: Teen America, but America wasn't. America was about to go
Speaker 2: through its own Civil War one when it started. They
Speaker 2: were just preoccupied. It was eighteen fifties. America had its
Speaker 2: own West Coast to deal with, and it was not
Speaker 2: It just wasn't over in Hong Kong. And Hong Kong
Speaker 2: was like a Scottish town really, and and so that
Speaker 2: that opis ortunately about Hong.
Speaker 1: Kong controlled by Great Britain. So anyway, it seems sort
Speaker 1: of sort of like a like maybe a revenge for
Speaker 1: sort of like a Opium wars where now they want
Speaker 1: to get the US weekend for you know, and you
Speaker 1: can look at a bunch of data points, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe TikTok is like that, and obviously maybe they want
Speaker 1: this to happen. So if you look at it from
Speaker 1: that lens, it just seems like the US has should
Speaker 1: have many tools at their disposal before bombing things, right,
Speaker 1: many many diplomatic as well as financial sanctions and tools
Speaker 1: and things like that, And so it just makes me think,
Speaker 1: like do they want to stop it? Like, so it
Speaker 1: seems like going straight to bombing is like, hey, we
Speaker 1: need to stop this now, but there's like nothing being
Speaker 1: done leading that would almost seem like a like a
Speaker 1: last last minute approach, right, and so like shouldn't we
Speaker 1: be doing things in advance of that?
Speaker 2: I would say, if you're if you're getting briefed by
Speaker 2: military strategists looking at what's going on in Ukraine, looking
Speaker 2: what's going on in that theater of war, for example,
Speaker 2: we've learned a lot about what is obsolete and what
Speaker 2: is relevant now in war. Right. I believe in this
Speaker 2: World War three that we're in already we're going to
Speaker 2: one of those beautiful aircraft carriers, a major feature of
Speaker 2: the US dollars simply melt into the sea, and the
Speaker 2: billion dollar F thirty five's are just going to fall
Speaker 2: off and they'll be gone forever because of this asymmetry
Speaker 2: of violence that we're starting to see with drone technology,
Speaker 2: with the capacity of tanks to fight against drones, and
Speaker 2: the idea now that you can have an army raised
Speaker 2: for five million bucks or something like that, right, it's
Speaker 2: not going to be that complicated to create a bunch
Speaker 2: of drones, I think. Anyway, there is this idea that
Speaker 2: if you don't stop it now, this is more or
Speaker 2: less your last chance to get these guys on the ropes. Now,
Speaker 2: there could be spiritual awakenings, there could be other things
Speaker 2: that could fix this in the world. But if you're
Speaker 2: in Vivek's seat right now and you're saying, okay, the
Speaker 2: ability to even mobilize state power in order to do
Speaker 2: this stuff is quickly vanishing. We might have five years
Speaker 2: left enable to in order to even do this in
Speaker 2: the first place. So, once again, I'm not saying this
Speaker 2: is something that I'm actuate. I do believe on a
Speaker 2: big pin standard. We're going to get to a point
Speaker 2: where we value every life more than we ever have
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But for now, anyway, I can
Speaker 2: see why he's saying that, because at a certain point
Speaker 2: for America to let this kind of body count continue
Speaker 2: to mount without flexing the last days of usefulness of
Speaker 2: the military, and to have it engaged in such a
Speaker 2: ridiculous theater of conflict over in Ukraine. But what are
Speaker 2: we even using it for? Yeah, right, they.
Speaker 1: Built that apparently is great, and it's looking sort of
Speaker 1: obsolete and incompetent at some point as well. I had
Speaker 1: an amazing conversation with doctor Robert Malone and we talked
Speaker 1: about what he's been talking about is fifth generation of warfare.
Speaker 1: And he talks about these like five stages, sure, and
Speaker 1: the third stage was the American industrial military, the aircraft carriers,
Speaker 1: the tanks, but the bombers. Right. The fourth generation of
Speaker 1: warfare he frames up as like starting in Vietnam like
Speaker 1: guerrilla warfare, and into like terrorism like independent cells, and
Speaker 1: then the fifth generation being really kind of where we're
Speaker 1: at today, which is sort of like this information psychological
Speaker 1: warfare that's coming from somewhere. But you don't know where
Speaker 1: it's coming from or what it's doing, but he says that,
Speaker 1: you know, the US has never won a war since
Speaker 1: the fourth generation of warfare started. So you know, you
Speaker 1: have terrorism, for example, but you have all these independent
Speaker 1: cells with no head to cut off. There's no army
Speaker 1: to go fight, and there's no leader. They're only aligned
Speaker 1: on ideology. So it's very interesting. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's greatly changing. And to the point, we have a
Speaker 1: billion dollar aircraft carrier that could be sunk by a
Speaker 1: two million dollar missile or whatever, right, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: A little like a little RC radio controlled boat could
Speaker 2: probably take one of these down at this point, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're even.
Speaker 2: Talking about injecting AI into them now so that when
Speaker 2: they are blown off course from one of these jammers,
Speaker 2: one of these radio jammers. Right. That was that was
Speaker 2: the big thing that was going to save the aircraft
Speaker 2: carriers from the drone swarms with oh we can jam
Speaker 2: the radio, they're not going to work. Well, they plugged
Speaker 2: AI into each of them now, so the AI will
Speaker 2: actually just override any jamming and will remember their mission. Basically,
Speaker 2: yeahis is crazy.
Speaker 1: So let's let's take it. I mean this isn't really
Speaker 1: where I had planned on taking it maybe a little bit.
Speaker 1: But if we take this maybe just to a little
Speaker 1: bit of a conversation, like we're really witnessing, as I
Speaker 1: call it, a technological revolution, about every fifty years and
Speaker 1: new technology comes and it changes the course of humanity.
Speaker 1: And so we're seeing that in a number of ways
Speaker 1: in warfare that we're talking about, right, And we're kind
Speaker 1: of witnessing like the death of one system and maybe
Speaker 1: the birth of another one. And so there's this growing
Speaker 1: pains or this creative destruction process that we have there.
Speaker 1: And you have really like on one hand, you have
Speaker 1: the incumbent powers trying to maintain and hold on to
Speaker 1: what they have, and then you have like a new
Speaker 1: system that's like coming up behind it. And so you have,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier, kind of like the Biden family
Speaker 1: and you know, the Democratic Party, and I mean both
Speaker 1: parties are almost as bad. And really we're seeing it's
Speaker 1: like we the people versus the governments right where it's
Speaker 1: like but really it's symbolic, I think with Biden. I
Speaker 1: think even President Biden himself is symbolic of the US
Speaker 1: being old and decrepit and out of touch and so forth,
Speaker 1: and then you have you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: high ranking people in politics are over eighty eighty. Diane
Speaker 1: Feinstein's ninetyesh I didn't even know her name anymore. And
Speaker 1: now they're like trying to control and pass rules and
Speaker 1: laws against this brand new, cutting edge technology that's like
Speaker 1: facing to change the world. And then we still have
Speaker 1: old presidents running. I mean even Kennedy, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: no spring Chicken. Vivic is a lot younger and understands
Speaker 1: a lot more. So it brings me a little bit
Speaker 1: more hope. But do you see that same power struggle
Speaker 1: being set up? Yeah? So and actually and actually I
Speaker 1: just threw you a big question that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a big answer for. But I gotta take a quick break.
Speaker 1: So before I wind you up and let you go
Speaker 1: on that, I'm gonna take a quick break. If you
Speaker 1: just tune in, you are listening to the Mark mass
Speaker 1: Show sitting down with Nolan Bowery. He is the host
Speaker 1: of The Breakup Daily Show on YouTube and on Rumble.
Speaker 1: You can check them out every single day eight a m. Eastern,
Speaker 1: which I highly recommend a little morning dose to kind
Speaker 1: of get your mind right about the Breakup and sort
Speaker 1: of how the world is changing as it's divorcing or
Speaker 1: as it's breaking up from the dollar. So anyway, we're
Speaker 1: gonna comea I'm gonnake a very quick bak. We're gonna
Speaker 1: come back. We're going to talk about this sort of
Speaker 1: power struggle that we have, and then I want to
Speaker 1: get into some of the collateral damage, so maybe some
Speaker 1: of the whistleblowers that we've been seeing, the sweetheart deal
Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden and SBF just got, while the law
Speaker 1: is certainly being applied in two tiers, and some other
Speaker 1: fun stuff that we'll talk about in a second. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonnake a very quick break you don't want to
Speaker 1: miss it. We'll be right back, all right, Welcome back.
Speaker 1: If you're just tune in, you were listening to the
Speaker 1: Mark mass Show in studio here with Nolan Bowery, the
Speaker 1: host of The Breakup every single day on YouTube eight
Speaker 1: a m Eastern. Check it out. But Nolan, before the
Speaker 1: break I served you up this big did you see softball?
Speaker 1: And basically for the people that are just tuned in,
Speaker 1: talking about like this changing of the guard and this
Speaker 1: power struggle where we have this incumbent, you know, political
Speaker 1: class eighty year olds, and not just in the US
Speaker 1: the developed world, I mean the Western world. Europe is
Speaker 1: the same way. But at the same time, there's this
Speaker 1: massive disruption and they're like utilizing almost every tool in
Speaker 1: their arsenal, including now the Justice Department, to seemingly hold
Speaker 1: onto that power. And I was just curious, are you
Speaker 1: seeing that same power struggle setting up?
Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts on that. That's exactly the
Speaker 2: frame that I use for the breakup every morning. The
Speaker 2: genesis of the idea actually comes from a conversation I
Speaker 2: had in twenty sixteen in China, and I was there
Speaker 2: doing bitcoin stuff and talking with some Chinese people, and
Speaker 2: you know, they were talking about just slinging coins for
Speaker 2: you know, getting out of the wand to get into
Speaker 2: to get into bitcoin because their government was used to
Speaker 2: manipulating their currency. And I realized suddenly that American patriotism
Speaker 2: around the dollar looked so silly in retrospect, right, how
Speaker 2: can it be that a country would take such patriotic
Speaker 2: pride and something that's being used to manipulate them. The
Speaker 2: Chinese folks I talked to had all kinds of pride
Speaker 2: about their country and their history, and it wasn't caught
Speaker 2: up in a dollar. They were used to it being
Speaker 2: manipulated overnight. And suddenly I realized that Americans had this
Speaker 2: blind spot in the same way that a fellow you
Speaker 2: might know, or a lady friend you might have, might
Speaker 2: be in an unhealthy, toxic relationship, and they might not
Speaker 2: understand it. They might have struggles to get out of
Speaker 2: that toxic relationship. It's not easy, you have codependencies and
Speaker 2: all that. So my show really is just about talking
Speaker 2: about getting rid of that breakup. And it is exactly
Speaker 2: as you said along those lines of five GU warfare,
Speaker 2: five G Warfare. Michael Flynn was one of the He
Speaker 2: wrote a book called five G Warfare. The way I
Speaker 2: talk about it is it's a psychological and economic war.
Speaker 2: Now I've just expressed that economics are just a psychologe engine.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of repeating itself. But that's their frame,
Speaker 2: and that's how I think about it. And indeed, we've
Speaker 2: only organized ourselves in terms of nations and countries for
Speaker 2: a very brief part of our history. Here this is
Speaker 2: a new thing, right, Some countries did it for longer.
Speaker 2: France has a little deeper root into nationalism because the
Speaker 2: geography is so precious, and you would understand why someone
Speaker 2: wanted to protect it as well. It's naturally easy to
Speaker 2: protect with mountains and seas, and so something like a
Speaker 2: nationhood was able to arise in France, similar to England
Speaker 2: right as an island. And even then they couldn't create
Speaker 2: a uniform, homogeneous nationality within the island. You had Scottish
Speaker 2: people and Welsh people and all these people who fought
Speaker 2: over what kind of nationality England really was. And then
Speaker 2: you take a place look at a place like Germany,
Speaker 2: which was never a country ever, It was just a language, right,
Speaker 2: And you look deep into history and you find out
Speaker 2: that in the Roman time it was not a nation
Speaker 2: the way we would think of a nation. They had
Speaker 2: certain pride, but they had different languages and all kinds
Speaker 2: of different things. So the point is being a country
Speaker 2: and organizing yourself around nationhood is a anomaly in history.
Speaker 2: And while it worked for a little while, there's entropy
Speaker 2: and now technology entering the system, and indeed World War
Speaker 2: three I characterize on my show all the time as
Speaker 2: absolutely not a hot war between nations themselves. Your reference
Speaker 2: of anyone's reference and frame of thinking about world War Three.
Speaker 2: The way we thought about World War two is going
Speaker 2: to lead you astray in many ways. World War three
Speaker 2: is a play on what happened in World War One,
Speaker 2: which was all about how you finance war. World War
Speaker 2: One had everything to do with debt base nations. The
Speaker 2: US dollar came alive in time for World War One,
Speaker 2: and it was against gold back nations. So Bismarck's Germany
Speaker 2: and the Austro Hungarian Empire they sued for peace many
Speaker 2: times and couldn't afford the war. They were getting catastrophically
Speaker 2: wiped out financially, Whereas America, because it was now on
Speaker 2: this brand new form of money and created by the
Speaker 2: banking cartel and the Federal Reserve, was able to finance
Speaker 2: a war that was basically impossible to lose at that point.
Speaker 2: However long it went on was fine, and no one
Speaker 2: really cared. The British were making money off of the
Speaker 2: wealthy British folks anyway, We're making money off of gold
Speaker 2: conversion or something like that between arbitraging with the US.
Speaker 2: Long story short, it looks like as we get here
Speaker 2: to World War three, we have this sort of entropy
Speaker 2: in the system and we talked earlier just about you
Speaker 2: know Stoshi talking about the Genesis block, for example, Chancellor
Speaker 2: on the brink, he did many other things, many other
Speaker 2: signals which would lead us to believe that that's what
Speaker 2: we have in store. Of course, the October thirty first
Speaker 2: White Paper, right, that's the same day that Martin Luther
Speaker 2: did something very similar in that it wasn't in five
Speaker 2: hundred years ago when this was put up, right, and
Speaker 2: however long ago that was. It had nothing to do
Speaker 2: at the time with nations. They were not a thing.
Speaker 2: It was the church. And he decided that we would
Speaker 2: separate the church in the state and that a king
Speaker 2: would not be beholden to the church construct. Right, So
Speaker 2: its a reorganization. Now. Of course Satotia did the same thing.
Speaker 2: But there's other things. America for example, right.
Speaker 1: We also had October third verst But it was also
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, which was the year that we allowed
Speaker 1: Americans to own gold again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so there's another And I'll even tell you
Speaker 2: we'll go back to the presidencies, because what I see
Speaker 2: here is when we talk about you know, fourth turnings
Speaker 2: or technological changes or frames that you can use to
Speaker 2: understand where we're coming from right, because I use predictions
Speaker 2: on my show a lot, because if you can make
Speaker 2: a prediction and it comes true, it's more likely that
Speaker 2: your worldview that you held when you made the prediction
Speaker 2: was accurate, because it's predictable. Right. If the model predicts,
Speaker 2: it's useful. As in science, as in anything else, right,
Speaker 2: predictive models are useful. And so when I think of
Speaker 2: what happened really the story of bitcoin, and I was
Speaker 2: talking about this that same conversation we were having with Vivic.
Speaker 2: When I spoke with RFK at the Bitcoin event in
Speaker 2: Miami back in May. What we talked about was nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty four, the year after his uncle died, because that's
Speaker 2: the year where the Bank Secrecy Act comes into play.
Speaker 2: That's the time when they deputize the banks to look
Speaker 2: into why there's some protests about Vietnam, what's going on there?
Speaker 2: You know, we just want to know who's making a fuss.
Speaker 2: And very quickly it was well, who's asking questions about JFK,
Speaker 2: who's asking this and that? And so I predicted already
Speaker 2: in November had nothing to do with knowing about RFK
Speaker 2: and bitcoin. But I started reaching out to RFK last November,
Speaker 2: simply because the story of bitcoin and whatever it is
Speaker 2: we're going through actually goes back to when his uncle
Speaker 2: was killed, and I said, well, we're going to want
Speaker 2: to know the answer to these things, and we're not
Speaker 2: going to be able to deal with what happened and
Speaker 2: understand what happened to America unless we understand nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2: That's when banks are deputies to involve themselves. That's when
Speaker 2: you have the corrupt merger of corporate and state power
Speaker 2: really start affecting American systems to the point where we
Speaker 2: are now in a type of world war against what
Speaker 2: that created. And indeed, the framework to understand World War
Speaker 2: III is nations against people. It's exactly what was predicted
Speaker 2: in the sovereign individual. It's exactly what I was already
Speaker 2: made a terrorist. I'm a Canadian, right of course, those
Speaker 2: truckers made most of us terrorists. So I've already many
Speaker 2: times apologized to any debate I had with any Muslim
Speaker 2: person from the Patriot Act, on which I was never
Speaker 2: in favor of, but I at least said to them, well,
Speaker 2: we'll know the difference between a terrorist and you know,
Speaker 2: as someone who created a crime. Well, in fact, I
Speaker 2: was the first person to be confused with Osama bin Laden,
Speaker 2: So you know, I'll never forget that. And right away
Speaker 2: you can understand this is not the way to organize
Speaker 2: people in nations.
Speaker 1: And that was the point that RFK brought up on
Speaker 1: the spaces I have hosted with him yesterday, and he
Speaker 1: said that that was actually the point that really woke
Speaker 1: him up the Trucker protest, like when he became orange pilled.
Speaker 1: That was the first question that was lobbed to him,
Speaker 1: and he said, when that happened, that's when I woke
Speaker 1: up sometime else. I didn't know obviously, I know, you
Speaker 1: know JFK said that, you know, he was pasted the
Speaker 1: presidency from Eisenhower, who warned him about the industrial military
Speaker 1: industrial complex and then he gave the famous speech where
Speaker 1: he he's going to splinter them into a thousand pieces,
Speaker 1: and so he kind of came after the intelligence community
Speaker 1: and the banking cartel. And so I've already I've always
Speaker 1: kind of eyed that up as probably what led to
Speaker 1: this assassination. But what I didn't know until RFK was
Speaker 1: talking about it, but actually JFK was taking steps to
Speaker 1: introduce a new currency that was backed by silver and gold,
Speaker 1: and he kind of broke it down. I don't remember
Speaker 1: the exact details. You probably know more about.
Speaker 2: Buy medalism, Yeah, bi metalism.
Speaker 1: Bi metallism. And you know, interesting enough, there was another
Speaker 1: president who was assassinated for trying to take on the
Speaker 1: federal reserve and that was Lincoln, right. So Lincoln created
Speaker 1: something called greenbacks, which we think of just a slang
Speaker 1: term for dollars. But during the Civil War, he's like,
Speaker 1: why are we borrowing money from this banking cartel when
Speaker 1: the government could just create its own. So he did
Speaker 1: and he created the green backs, and then of course
Speaker 1: he was assassinated as as well. But you know, all
Speaker 1: of this goes back to, you know, kind of as
Speaker 1: you mentioned this bi metallism, gold being around for thousands
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Speaker 1: it out. Nolan. We've been covering a lot of information here,
Speaker 1: and I love the history that you just brought there.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, you know, the brief little blip that
Speaker 1: we have in history, and I think really when you
Speaker 1: understand that, it gives more context. One more thing that
Speaker 1: I've been going back and forth, Robert Reid Love and
Speaker 1: I did this pretty big conversation on his show about
Speaker 1: it recently, and I was talking the crisis, the crisis
Speaker 1: in confidence that we've in authority. There's a book written
Speaker 1: called Revolt of the Public by an XCI analyst, and
Speaker 1: it talks about how the Internet now that information has
Speaker 1: been democratized, and how the center, the authority can never
Speaker 1: hold it will never it will never hold again because
Speaker 1: now they can be discredited instantly, and so the authority
Speaker 1: we used to give these institutions authority. Walter Cronkite on
Speaker 1: the news every night, had authority, and the doctor in
Speaker 1: his white smock had authority, the press professor had the authority.
Speaker 1: But today they're easily discredited. But because the information is
Speaker 1: too great with the mob right, the crowd crewd source
Speaker 1: of information anyway. And if you look at that, you
Speaker 1: can see that, you know, to your point, we haven't
Speaker 1: really had these nation states forever. And really, as I
Speaker 1: like to say, you know on the show, it's technology
Speaker 1: that's always changes the world. It changes the way we communicate,
Speaker 1: organized and work. I talk about these pendulums, and so
Speaker 1: we have this pendulum that goes from centralization to decentralization,
Speaker 1: which is sort of the theme of this show. And
Speaker 1: the pendulum is now maxed out at centralization is starting
Speaker 1: to swing back to decentralization. So if you look back
Speaker 1: five hundred years ago, so two and fifty year cycle,
Speaker 1: so five hundred years ago, we had the farm and
Speaker 1: cottage industry very decentralized. But then we had a technological revolution,
Speaker 1: which was the Industrial Revolution, which brought people into cities
Speaker 1: and factories. And as that pendulum swung back, it's been
Speaker 1: about a two and fifty yark. As that pendulum swung
Speaker 1: it wasn't just enough to live in America. You had
Speaker 1: to live in Chicago or New York or a city.
Speaker 1: And then we had the introduction nineteen oh eight with
Speaker 1: Henry Ford with the automobile, but really mass production the
Speaker 1: assembly line. And so then what happened is with these
Speaker 1: assembly lines, everybody was sort of equal. You know, you're
Speaker 1: way smarter than me, but on the assembly line, we're equal.
Speaker 1: And we had the rise of this big middle class.
Speaker 1: But what that created was this new management style. So
Speaker 1: now we had to create this management style to manage
Speaker 1: the masses. And so now we manage everybody like a
Speaker 1: cog and a wheel, and everybody was boiled down to spreadsheets.
Speaker 1: And because we had mass management to manage the mass assembly,
Speaker 1: then we created a government structure to govern the mass
Speaker 1: management mass production. But today we're no longer in that age.
Speaker 1: We're in the information agent. So now back to the
Speaker 1: Sovereign Individual, the book that you mentioned, which to everybody listening,
Speaker 1: you should go read that book, The Sovereign Individual, highly
Speaker 1: recommend it. Now we're no longer in the industrial age.
Speaker 1: We're the information agent. So now today we're all digital
Speaker 1: nomads on our laptop, living all around the world. There's
Speaker 1: no longer these big corporations. It's also part of the
Speaker 1: reason why I think the middle class has fallen, not
Speaker 1: so partly because yes, jobs have been shipped to China,
Speaker 1: but also because in the information age, it's really more
Speaker 1: of a meritocracy. We're not equal only as simply anymore.
Speaker 1: But the problem, without getting too that, the problem is
Speaker 1: that the government structure we have today is still set
Speaker 1: up for this mass production world, and now we're not
Speaker 1: in that world anymore. So basically the thesis is that
Speaker 1: the current form of government we had today is just
Speaker 1: no longer compatible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I'm just chatting with people and I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to lay the whole history a Bitcoin onto them
Speaker 2: and everything, what I'll often say is, basically, we just
Speaker 2: left the he's and the whole aircraft carrier running from
Speaker 2: World War Two. We never shut any of the infrastructure off,
Speaker 2: everything that's that brought America to victory in World War Two.
Speaker 2: We just kept it running and we never we added
Speaker 2: to it. We didn't change anything, Which is why personally,
Speaker 2: as a bitcoiner, right I was a major supporter of
Speaker 2: Donald Trump in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, understanding always
Speaker 2: that he's a bully, understanding why not trying to make
Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't want to be a fan of Donald
Speaker 2: Trump a fan. I get it why someone wouldn't like him.
Speaker 2: I totally have always gotten he is a bully, Like
Speaker 2: I totally get it right. But as a bitcoiner, what
Speaker 2: I had to say is I like Trump won the
Speaker 2: first campaign. I liked him in that first time around
Speaker 2: because I knew he could change reality. He could do
Speaker 2: exactly what you were saying. We had this hierarchy and
Speaker 2: the job of president is a made up job. It's
Speaker 2: like it's just made up and we've just been practicing
Speaker 2: the president job. Now, the actual title of president is
Speaker 2: a thing in the Constitution all that, but the way
Speaker 2: the job is practiced is just from convention and just
Speaker 2: from habit and just from practice. And we created presidents
Speaker 2: in the mold of FDR because and his uncle Teddy Roosevelt. Right,
Speaker 2: that's where Hale to the Chief was even played when
Speaker 2: he entered a room. Right, that was his uncle who
Speaker 2: insisted on that. So the whole idea is that the
Speaker 2: job that that I saw Trump inheriting was going to
Speaker 2: change the hierarchy was gonna it was gonna flip reality
Speaker 2: on top of its head. And we wouldn't think of
Speaker 2: the president as the same way. So I often to
Speaker 2: to sort of reiterate and double down so that people
Speaker 2: know where I'm coming from. I would say, as a bitcoiner,
Speaker 2: I love Donald Trump one, but I wanted Joe Biden
Speaker 2: in the second time even more. And now for the
Speaker 2: next election, I want John Fetterman to be the president
Speaker 2: of the United States. You want, I'm sworn in tomorrow
Speaker 2: right now. Of course, I do it to show the joke,
Speaker 2: right that that what we want is someone like Biden
Speaker 2: at this point in time to be exactly what he is.
Speaker 2: I think of it as just a beautiful punishment for
Speaker 2: everyone who comes from that world of government corruption and
Speaker 2: cronyism and kickbacks and double daling and all this nasty
Speaker 2: stuff that they do. Right, it's no that it shouldn't
Speaker 2: be that we have politicians, career politicians that are worth
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars. And when bitcoiners look at
Speaker 2: the world, of course, right, we see financial engineering run amuck.
Speaker 2: We see an entire generation lost to financial engineering. As
Speaker 2: far as what their contribution is to society, we know
Speaker 2: it's not their fault in a sense, right, The best
Speaker 2: and brightest will always go to where you get paid
Speaker 2: the most. Right, what we're trying to say in bitcoin
Speaker 2: with a altering of time preference and some of these
Speaker 2: things is the best and brightest should be making chairs
Speaker 2: again and all of this stuff. And as an accelerationist,
Speaker 2: you can't help but love what Joe Biden is doing.
Speaker 2: And you can't help but love the whistleblowers and the
Speaker 2: clear trail of crime here. Now, I'm trained as a lawyer,
Speaker 2: and when I look at twenty something shell companies, what's
Speaker 2: the product the Biden's selling? Right, Yeah, there's no products.
Speaker 2: There's never been a product.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not left to conjecture. I mean we have
Speaker 1: the smoking guns, we have the WhatsApp messages, the text messages,
Speaker 1: we have the wire transfers, we have the bank accounts.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just never been more clear cut.
Speaker 2: And I think that's sort of perfect in many ways.
Speaker 2: America won World War Two, but Americans didn't win nothing. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't want America's wealth to be based on other
Speaker 2: people's poverty. But the rest of the world did real well.
Speaker 2: After World War Two. China got everything I could have
Speaker 2: ever wanted anything that China wanted, global access to markets.
Speaker 2: I mean, wasn't that what Japan was fighting for in
Speaker 2: World War Two? You know, China the same. They all
Speaker 2: got whatever they wanted. Everyone got what they wanted. Now
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. I think that's great what America
Speaker 2: did after World War Two, that it paid for the
Speaker 2: reconstruction of the world and indeed gave China access to
Speaker 2: global markets. I think all of that was why America
Speaker 2: isn't exactly Rome right whenever, Oh, America's Rome right and
Speaker 2: not exactly America is in a special place. It is
Speaker 2: an amazing place. It's been hijacked, but it is an
Speaker 2: amazing place that did amazing things, and that it let
Speaker 2: the world up off the mat at the end of
Speaker 2: World War two is an amazing thing. And in the
Speaker 2: same way, I think America is as far ahead today
Speaker 2: as it was in the nineteen fifties. Weirdly, despite all
Speaker 2: of our problems, we have energy sort of solve, like
Speaker 2: we didn't shut our nuclear reactors off and celebrate it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So America, when you look at it energy, the stock market,
Speaker 2: all this money that was printed around the world, where
Speaker 2: did it end up on the American stock market? Right?
Speaker 2: Because their fiat currencies were being inflated too, and all
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But sitting there and watching Biden as
Speaker 2: the steward of the gon dollar, as I like to
Speaker 2: call him, right, he's the steward of the gon dollar,
Speaker 2: and watching his disease adult brain try to come up
Speaker 2: with these excuses about why is skid and him don't
Speaker 2: do business together is kind of a perfect storm for bitcoin.
Speaker 2: And it's why I predict that twenty twenty four is
Speaker 2: going to be all about bitcoin politically, well it already
Speaker 2: helped it already is, but I mean it will be
Speaker 2: on the tip of everyone's tongue. In fact, I'm actually
Speaker 2: starting to plan a show on jack l Island in
Speaker 2: anticipation of the twenty twenty four US election, basically to
Speaker 2: just go and talk about how the US dollar was
Speaker 2: created there in the first place, with the secret meeting
Speaker 2: of the bank cartel and all that stuff, and actually
Speaker 2: just do a bitcoin show and get into the spiritual
Speaker 2: side of bitcoin and the whole worldview side of bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, you certainly have to invite me to that,
Speaker 1: as I love monetary history. It was cool. I've spent
Speaker 1: a couple weeks in Europe just last month, and I
Speaker 1: went to Florence and did a financial history tour in
Speaker 1: Florence and the Nazy family all of that, but you know,
Speaker 1: we got to wrap this up. You're listening to the
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