1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of The Mark 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Moss Show, where we talk about, of course, the decentralized revolution, 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: talking about the way the world is breaking up from 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: a unipol or centralized world to a decentralized world as 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: we look at it through the lens of politics, finance, 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: and technology. Of course, that technology that's always changing the world, 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: and today we are witnessing the decentralized technology of Bitcoin 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: changing things, touching everything in the world. I like to 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: bring to you some las breaking news, some education, and 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: some new guests so you don't have to listen to 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: me all the time. And that's what I have for 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: you today. I'm joined by Nolan Bowerley. He is the 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: host of The Breakup Daily Show on YouTube and Rumble 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: every day at eight am Eastern. Nolan, thanks so much 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: for joining me today. 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: Mark. It's great. You know I first found you because 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: I produced coin Esk's twenty eighteen Consensus show. I was 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: an early coind esker and part of all that. Yeah, 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: and you did a great video when you were I 20 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: think just start. It was been twenty eighteen, so you'd 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: have been early to YouTube and he did a great video. 22 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: Just getting back to California. I was getting all the 23 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: review use in of the show, and a lot of 24 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: people criticized it. It was big, a lot of energy, 25 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: but you loved it. I've had a soft spot for 26 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 2: your connent ever since. 27 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: Thanks Nolan. Yeah, that was interesting. I didn't start this 28 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: my existing YouTube channel until the end of twenty eighteen, 29 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: but at the time I had a business partner. I 30 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: think we did the video together and we had like 31 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: a business YouTube channel that we did it on. And yeah, 32 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: that was at the very very beginning. We went there 33 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: and did some interviews and did like kind of a 34 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: wrap up and yeah, that was interesting. That's takes me 35 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: way back how far we've both come since then. That's 36 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: that's amazing. Sure, tell me about the breakup for a second, Like, 37 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: what does that even mean the breakup? What are the 38 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: topics that you're talking about. 39 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Really, we're in a relationship with money, right, it's it's 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: and when we're dealing with bitcoin, we are and it's 41 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: all about bitcoin, right Bit. Bitcoin is separate in all 42 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: of these assets and all of these players because while 43 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: they're all psychological commodities, right, the US dollar is a 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: psychological commodity. Bitcoin is a psychological commodity. What I sort 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: of try to do on my show is to contrast 46 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: the mindset that comes from dollars with the mindset that 47 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: comes from bitcoin and really talk about the sort of 48 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: relationships that it cultivates, the commercial relationships and in some 49 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: ways the inertia that the dollar has created. I use 50 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: a lot of union analysis. Let's say, right, you know, 51 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: when you have the process of individuation, you have to 52 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: have encounter, right, you have to encounter your shadow. You 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: got to encounter your negative sides. And in some ways 54 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: we don't have that capacity anymore because we can't count 55 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: the money. There's literally no way to count dollars. So 56 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: you have this incredible mutant that's formed inside of America, 57 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: this sort of opposite, a binary of what we think 58 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: of America, the opposite of what it is and what 59 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: we want it to be. And in some ways I 60 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 2: argue that bitcoin is here to push that shadow into 61 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: the forefront so that America can individuate its problems and 62 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: redefine what a country is in the modern world. So 63 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: the whole show is really just about the perpetuation. I 64 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: think of the economy as a psychological engine. How does 65 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: an engine move forward? Right, it's got to have commercial relationships, 66 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: it's got to have enthusiasm, it's got to have what 67 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: you see in the bitcoin community, right. So bitcoiners have 68 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: stayed in the game to such an extent that you 69 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: can think of them as sort of playable characters in 70 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: this video game. That is the economy, that is, you know, 71 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: the current history that we're living through, the simulations some 72 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: people say, with all these aliens and all this other stuff, 73 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: and you know, from that, you can just sort of 74 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: imagine that bitcoiners are in the game just like yourself 75 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: around in twenty eighteen. Bitcoiners are not falling to the 76 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: wayside because they had all these crazy ideas like everyone 77 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: who's still sort of corrupted by the Fiat self, the 78 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: Fiat world, the dead end street, that that commercial system offers, 79 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: that that psychological engine offer. So the whole point of 80 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: the show is to just take new stories of the 81 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: day and describe why you'd want to trade dollars. It's 82 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: not about buying bitcoin, it's about why you'd want to 83 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: dump dollars the system behind it. 84 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. As you're talking, I'm thinking, 85 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, like the chicken or the egg type of thing, 86 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: where which one changes which right, And of course we 87 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: know when bitcoin was created, sokomotive put a message into 88 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the blockchain, you know, the chancels don't the break up 89 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: a second bailout, so sort of telling us that it 90 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: was created to solve a problem. So technology, typically solutions 91 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: are supposed to come and solve problems. I say typically 92 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: because today we're in a day and age where we 93 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: have all this money trying to solve problems I don't 94 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: need to be solved. We saw that in the late 95 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: nineties with the dot com bubble. We saw it obviously 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: with the crypto bubble. Were sitting with the AI bubble 97 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: and they're trying to what can I do, What can 98 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: I go do with this technology? But like, we don't 99 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: really need that stuff, but we're supposed to solve problems, 100 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: and so on one hand, it was created as a 101 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: solution to this existing problem of centralized money and manipulation. 102 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: But then kind of to the point that you're saying, 103 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: but then it starts changing things, and so it's sort 104 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: of a little bit of the chicken or the egg 105 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: kind of a syndrome there. Before we started recording, we 106 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: were talking and you were telling me how at the 107 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: last Bitcoin conference. You guys are really good photos of 108 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: me with Vivik Ramaswami, and we were kind of just 109 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: talking about that, which, by the way, thank you for 110 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: getting those. I'm excited to get those. But you were 111 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: talking about how, you know, he sets them outlandish things 112 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: and how RFK is maybe having this like Trump moment, 113 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: and I hadn't really thought about jumping into that conversation specifically, 114 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: but I like to talk about the convergence of politics, finance, 115 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: and technology, because I think you have to look at 116 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: all three of those to really get context of what's 117 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: going on. So let's jump into the politics for a second. 118 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: I want to get more about what you're saying about 119 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: RFK and sort of this Trump moment. I hosted a 120 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: Twitter spaces with RFK yesterday that was pretty cool. But 121 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about Vivic for a second. And I had 122 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: said that the one comment I didn't like from him 123 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: is this like we're gonna go blow up the cartels, 124 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, And I'm just like, WHOA, Like you can't 125 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: do that, Like we can't just be warmongering all over 126 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: the world. I think that's a big problem. Kennedy certainly 127 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: against that. And then you said well, maybe we should. 128 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: Like Mexico is not really a country, they're more like 129 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: controlled by cartels like that for me. 130 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I say maybe maybe we should, I'm 131 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: not saying what I think I want to happen. Sorry, 132 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: I'm not saying what I want to happen. I'm saying 133 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: what I think will happen. So there's a difference, right, 134 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: predicting a thing that's going to happen. It is not 135 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: exactly the same as advocate. 136 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: Certainly, there's a lot of things to happen that I 137 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: certainly don't want to happen. I'm trying to stop them. 138 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I don't want to see anyone in Mexico 139 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: dying or anything like that. That that's for sure. But 140 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: when you start thinking about the supply chain, for example, 141 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: in the fentanyl crisis, and you start to think of 142 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: the playable characters that are involved in this game, you 143 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: know it goes back to China with some of the 144 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: primary products involved in these in the fentanyl distribution. We 145 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: know the names of these people. I mean, we know them, right, 146 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: So we tried many times America tried in trade deals 147 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 2: bilatteral trade deals with China and said you deal with 148 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: this fentanyl problem. If China was ever serious about dealing 149 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: with the fentanyl problem, those people, I think they know 150 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: how to find people and arrest them. I've heard any 151 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: way that China as a pretty efficient system at rooting 152 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: out people that doesn't want around. Well, that's never happened. 153 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: These people are still roaming free in China. And we 154 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: know the supply chains, right, we know how they get 155 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: the stuff to America. So when Vivec is talking about 156 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: destroying these cartels, remember no one is talking about attacking 157 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: Mexican people Mexican towns, but the cartels are separate, right. 158 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: I would imagine you'd get some kind of a flyover 159 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: brochure and say saying that anyone who's here in the 160 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: next little while get out because there's a drone swarm coming, 161 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: or there's some form of military operation coming. So it's 162 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: more just predicting that eventually if you can't. If you 163 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: look at what's in the news today, it seems like 164 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: most of America's entanglements somehow involve the Biden family, the 165 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: Democrat family, the Democrat system, the uniparty as well. Let's 166 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: not let Republicans off the hook here, certainly involved in 167 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff, But the whole issue becomes, right, 168 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: what will happen to this military apparatus when it's not 169 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: covering up whatever is going on in Ukraine and Russia? 170 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: Who can tell, right, but one would imagine they can 171 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: be recalibrated maybe for this mission over there to stop 172 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: the drugs from coming into America. Now, it's not something 173 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: I want to see happen, but when Vivek is talking 174 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: about it, he's doing the Trump campaign trick of saying 175 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: the thing that will keep him in the news. Right. 176 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Just look at the spending the campaign has done. They've 177 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: spent very little money, yet he has been able to 178 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: surf on top of a wave of attention the same 179 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: way Trump did. Remember Trump's original twenty fifteen campaign tactic 180 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: was to keep the little red light going right, to 181 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: keep all the live cameras that were covering him on, 182 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: and vivec seems to be copying that exactly Now. I 183 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: feel like the energy in the early Trump campaign is 184 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: more captured by the RFK campaign, but the tactics are 185 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: slightly different. 186 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nolan, I got to cut you off right there. 187 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break and listen to 188 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: our sponsors. For a minute and we'll be back in 189 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: a minute. Don't go away, all right, welcome back. If 190 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: you're just tune in you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. 191 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: Of course, we're always talking about the decentralized revolution. I'm 192 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: in the studio with Nolan Bowerley. We're talking about he's 193 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: the host of The Breakup Daily Show on YouTube and 194 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: Rumble eight am Eastern every single day. Nolan. Before the 195 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: break we were talking about sort of what you were 196 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: kind of eyeing up with Vivic and some of his 197 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: comments about the drug cartels, and I just kind of 198 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: wanted to jump back into that for a second because 199 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned you dissected sort of this ventanyl crisis pretty well. 200 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: It's scary. I mean, I got kids, and it's the 201 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: number one cause of death of eighteen to thirty four 202 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: year olds. My daughter's in high school and she knows 203 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: two people who have died. I mean, it's like, really 204 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: really scary. 205 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: And it's for people who aren't doing the typical It's 206 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: not always recreational drugs. It's for people ordering like an 207 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: adderall on TikTok or something or on Instagram, and for studying. 208 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: You're hearing some pretty unbelievable cases. 209 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know you framed it up pretty well, 210 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: so I know you've you spent a little bit of 211 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: time looking into this. And and to your point, you said, 212 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, we know who the people are in China, 213 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: we know who their names are, right, And one of 214 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: the big problems is that it's not illegal in China, 215 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: and so China won't do anything about it. And it 216 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: sort of reminds me. It almost makes me think of 217 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: revenge for the opioid uh, you know, wars that the 218 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: US inflicted on China. 219 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: We got oh hold on, no, no, no, America was 220 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: not even around. 221 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: This was British, okay, okay. So so it was in 222 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 1: the late it was in America. 223 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: Teen America, but America wasn't. America was about to go 224 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: through its own Civil War one when it started. They 225 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: were just preoccupied. It was eighteen fifties. America had its 226 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: own West Coast to deal with, and it was not 227 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: It just wasn't over in Hong Kong. And Hong Kong 228 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: was like a Scottish town really, and and so that 229 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: that opis ortunately about Hong. 230 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: Kong controlled by Great Britain. So anyway, it seems sort 231 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: of sort of like a like maybe a revenge for 232 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: sort of like a Opium wars where now they want 233 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: to get the US weekend for you know, and you 234 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: can look at a bunch of data points, you know, 235 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: maybe TikTok is like that, and obviously maybe they want 236 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: this to happen. So if you look at it from 237 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: that lens, it just seems like the US has should 238 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: have many tools at their disposal before bombing things, right, 239 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: many many diplomatic as well as financial sanctions and tools 240 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: and things like that, And so it just makes me think, 241 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: like do they want to stop it? Like, so it 242 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: seems like going straight to bombing is like, hey, we 243 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: need to stop this now, but there's like nothing being 244 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: done leading that would almost seem like a like a 245 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: last last minute approach, right, and so like shouldn't we 246 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: be doing things in advance of that? 247 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: I would say, if you're if you're getting briefed by 248 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: military strategists looking at what's going on in Ukraine, looking 249 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: what's going on in that theater of war, for example, 250 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: we've learned a lot about what is obsolete and what 251 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: is relevant now in war. Right. I believe in this 252 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: World War three that we're in already we're going to 253 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: one of those beautiful aircraft carriers, a major feature of 254 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: the US dollars simply melt into the sea, and the 255 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: billion dollar F thirty five's are just going to fall 256 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: off and they'll be gone forever because of this asymmetry 257 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: of violence that we're starting to see with drone technology, 258 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: with the capacity of tanks to fight against drones, and 259 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: the idea now that you can have an army raised 260 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: for five million bucks or something like that, right, it's 261 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: not going to be that complicated to create a bunch 262 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: of drones, I think. Anyway, there is this idea that 263 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: if you don't stop it now, this is more or 264 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: less your last chance to get these guys on the ropes. Now, 265 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: there could be spiritual awakenings, there could be other things 266 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: that could fix this in the world. But if you're 267 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: in Vivek's seat right now and you're saying, okay, the 268 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: ability to even mobilize state power in order to do 269 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: this stuff is quickly vanishing. We might have five years 270 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: left enable to in order to even do this in 271 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 2: the first place. So, once again, I'm not saying this 272 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: is something that I'm actuate. I do believe on a 273 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: big pin standard. We're going to get to a point 274 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: where we value every life more than we ever have 275 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But for now, anyway, I can 276 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: see why he's saying that, because at a certain point 277 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: for America to let this kind of body count continue 278 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: to mount without flexing the last days of usefulness of 279 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: the military, and to have it engaged in such a 280 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: ridiculous theater of conflict over in Ukraine. But what are 281 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 2: we even using it for? Yeah, right, they. 282 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: Built that apparently is great, and it's looking sort of 283 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: obsolete and incompetent at some point as well. I had 284 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: an amazing conversation with doctor Robert Malone and we talked 285 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: about what he's been talking about is fifth generation of warfare. 286 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: And he talks about these like five stages, sure, and 287 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: the third stage was the American industrial military, the aircraft carriers, 288 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: the tanks, but the bombers. Right. The fourth generation of 289 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: warfare he frames up as like starting in Vietnam like 290 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: guerrilla warfare, and into like terrorism like independent cells, and 291 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: then the fifth generation being really kind of where we're 292 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: at today, which is sort of like this information psychological 293 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: warfare that's coming from somewhere. But you don't know where 294 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: it's coming from or what it's doing, but he says that, 295 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: you know, the US has never won a war since 296 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: the fourth generation of warfare started. So you know, you 297 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: have terrorism, for example, but you have all these independent 298 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: cells with no head to cut off. There's no army 299 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: to go fight, and there's no leader. They're only aligned 300 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: on ideology. So it's very interesting. So yeah, it's it's 301 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: it's greatly changing. And to the point, we have a 302 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: billion dollar aircraft carrier that could be sunk by a 303 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: two million dollar missile or whatever, right, yeah, like. 304 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: A little like a little RC radio controlled boat could 305 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: probably take one of these down at this point, right. 306 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're even. 307 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: Talking about injecting AI into them now so that when 308 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: they are blown off course from one of these jammers, 309 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: one of these radio jammers. Right. That was that was 310 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: the big thing that was going to save the aircraft 311 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: carriers from the drone swarms with oh we can jam 312 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: the radio, they're not going to work. Well, they plugged 313 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: AI into each of them now, so the AI will 314 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: actually just override any jamming and will remember their mission. Basically, 315 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: yeahis is crazy. 316 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: So let's let's take it. I mean this isn't really 317 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: where I had planned on taking it maybe a little bit. 318 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: But if we take this maybe just to a little 319 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: bit of a conversation, like we're really witnessing, as I 320 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: call it, a technological revolution, about every fifty years and 321 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: new technology comes and it changes the course of humanity. 322 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: And so we're seeing that in a number of ways 323 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: in warfare that we're talking about, right, And we're kind 324 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: of witnessing like the death of one system and maybe 325 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: the birth of another one. And so there's this growing 326 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: pains or this creative destruction process that we have there. 327 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: And you have really like on one hand, you have 328 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: the incumbent powers trying to maintain and hold on to 329 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: what they have, and then you have like a new 330 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: system that's like coming up behind it. And so you have, 331 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier, kind of like the Biden family 332 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: and you know, the Democratic Party, and I mean both 333 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: parties are almost as bad. And really we're seeing it's 334 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: like we the people versus the governments right where it's 335 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: like but really it's symbolic, I think with Biden. I 336 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: think even President Biden himself is symbolic of the US 337 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: being old and decrepit and out of touch and so forth, 338 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: and then you have you know, a lot of the 339 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: high ranking people in politics are over eighty eighty. Diane 340 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: Feinstein's ninetyesh I didn't even know her name anymore. And 341 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: now they're like trying to control and pass rules and 342 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: laws against this brand new, cutting edge technology that's like 343 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: facing to change the world. And then we still have 344 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: old presidents running. I mean even Kennedy, I mean, he's 345 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: no spring Chicken. Vivic is a lot younger and understands 346 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: a lot more. So it brings me a little bit 347 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: more hope. But do you see that same power struggle 348 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: being set up? Yeah? So and actually and actually I 349 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: just threw you a big question that you're gonna have 350 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: a big answer for. But I gotta take a quick break. 351 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: So before I wind you up and let you go 352 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: on that, I'm gonna take a quick break. If you 353 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: just tune in, you are listening to the Mark mass 354 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: Show sitting down with Nolan Bowery. He is the host 355 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: of The Breakup Daily Show on YouTube and on Rumble. 356 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: You can check them out every single day eight a m. Eastern, 357 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: which I highly recommend a little morning dose to kind 358 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: of get your mind right about the Breakup and sort 359 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: of how the world is changing as it's divorcing or 360 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: as it's breaking up from the dollar. So anyway, we're 361 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: gonna comea I'm gonnake a very quick bak. We're gonna 362 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: come back. We're going to talk about this sort of 363 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: power struggle that we have, and then I want to 364 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: get into some of the collateral damage, so maybe some 365 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: of the whistleblowers that we've been seeing, the sweetheart deal 366 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden and SBF just got, while the law 367 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: is certainly being applied in two tiers, and some other 368 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: fun stuff that we'll talk about in a second. But 369 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonnake a very quick break you don't want to 370 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: miss it. We'll be right back, all right, Welcome back. 371 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: If you're just tune in, you were listening to the 372 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: Mark mass Show in studio here with Nolan Bowery, the 373 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: host of The Breakup every single day on YouTube eight 374 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: a m Eastern. Check it out. But Nolan, before the 375 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: break I served you up this big did you see softball? 376 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: And basically for the people that are just tuned in, 377 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: talking about like this changing of the guard and this 378 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: power struggle where we have this incumbent, you know, political 379 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: class eighty year olds, and not just in the US 380 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: the developed world, I mean the Western world. Europe is 381 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: the same way. But at the same time, there's this 382 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: massive disruption and they're like utilizing almost every tool in 383 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: their arsenal, including now the Justice Department, to seemingly hold 384 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: onto that power. And I was just curious, are you 385 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: seeing that same power struggle setting up? 386 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts on that. That's exactly the 387 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: frame that I use for the breakup every morning. The 388 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: genesis of the idea actually comes from a conversation I 389 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: had in twenty sixteen in China, and I was there 390 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: doing bitcoin stuff and talking with some Chinese people, and 391 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: you know, they were talking about just slinging coins for 392 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: you know, getting out of the wand to get into 393 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: to get into bitcoin because their government was used to 394 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: manipulating their currency. And I realized suddenly that American patriotism 395 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: around the dollar looked so silly in retrospect, right, how 396 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 2: can it be that a country would take such patriotic 397 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 2: pride and something that's being used to manipulate them. The 398 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: Chinese folks I talked to had all kinds of pride 399 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: about their country and their history, and it wasn't caught 400 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: up in a dollar. They were used to it being 401 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 2: manipulated overnight. And suddenly I realized that Americans had this 402 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: blind spot in the same way that a fellow you 403 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: might know, or a lady friend you might have, might 404 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: be in an unhealthy, toxic relationship, and they might not 405 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: understand it. They might have struggles to get out of 406 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: that toxic relationship. It's not easy, you have codependencies and 407 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: all that. So my show really is just about talking 408 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: about getting rid of that breakup. And it is exactly 409 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: as you said along those lines of five GU warfare, 410 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: five G Warfare. Michael Flynn was one of the He 411 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: wrote a book called five G Warfare. The way I 412 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: talk about it is it's a psychological and economic war. 413 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: Now I've just expressed that economics are just a psychologe engine. 414 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: So it's kind of repeating itself. But that's their frame, 415 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: and that's how I think about it. And indeed, we've 416 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: only organized ourselves in terms of nations and countries for 417 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: a very brief part of our history. Here this is 418 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 2: a new thing, right, Some countries did it for longer. 419 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: France has a little deeper root into nationalism because the 420 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: geography is so precious, and you would understand why someone 421 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: wanted to protect it as well. It's naturally easy to 422 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: protect with mountains and seas, and so something like a 423 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: nationhood was able to arise in France, similar to England 424 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: right as an island. And even then they couldn't create 425 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: a uniform, homogeneous nationality within the island. You had Scottish 426 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: people and Welsh people and all these people who fought 427 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: over what kind of nationality England really was. And then 428 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: you take a place look at a place like Germany, 429 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: which was never a country ever, It was just a language, right, 430 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: And you look deep into history and you find out 431 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: that in the Roman time it was not a nation 432 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: the way we would think of a nation. They had 433 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: certain pride, but they had different languages and all kinds 434 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: of different things. So the point is being a country 435 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: and organizing yourself around nationhood is a anomaly in history. 436 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 2: And while it worked for a little while, there's entropy 437 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: and now technology entering the system, and indeed World War 438 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: three I characterize on my show all the time as 439 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: absolutely not a hot war between nations themselves. Your reference 440 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: of anyone's reference and frame of thinking about world War Three. 441 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: The way we thought about World War two is going 442 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: to lead you astray in many ways. World War three 443 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: is a play on what happened in World War One, 444 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: which was all about how you finance war. World War 445 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: One had everything to do with debt base nations. The 446 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: US dollar came alive in time for World War One, 447 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: and it was against gold back nations. So Bismarck's Germany 448 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 2: and the Austro Hungarian Empire they sued for peace many 449 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: times and couldn't afford the war. They were getting catastrophically 450 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: wiped out financially, Whereas America, because it was now on 451 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: this brand new form of money and created by the 452 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: banking cartel and the Federal Reserve, was able to finance 453 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: a war that was basically impossible to lose at that point. 454 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: However long it went on was fine, and no one 455 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: really cared. The British were making money off of the 456 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: wealthy British folks anyway, We're making money off of gold 457 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: conversion or something like that between arbitraging with the US. 458 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 2: Long story short, it looks like as we get here 459 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: to World War three, we have this sort of entropy 460 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: in the system and we talked earlier just about you 461 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: know Stoshi talking about the Genesis block, for example, Chancellor 462 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: on the brink, he did many other things, many other 463 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: signals which would lead us to believe that that's what 464 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: we have in store. Of course, the October thirty first 465 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: White Paper, right, that's the same day that Martin Luther 466 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 2: did something very similar in that it wasn't in five 467 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: hundred years ago when this was put up, right, and 468 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: however long ago that was. It had nothing to do 469 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: at the time with nations. They were not a thing. 470 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: It was the church. And he decided that we would 471 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: separate the church in the state and that a king 472 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: would not be beholden to the church construct. Right, So 473 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: its a reorganization. Now. Of course Satotia did the same thing. 474 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: But there's other things. America for example, right. 475 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: We also had October third verst But it was also 476 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, which was the year that we allowed 477 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: Americans to own gold again. 478 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so there's another And I'll even tell you 479 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 2: we'll go back to the presidencies, because what I see 480 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: here is when we talk about you know, fourth turnings 481 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: or technological changes or frames that you can use to 482 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: understand where we're coming from right, because I use predictions 483 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: on my show a lot, because if you can make 484 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: a prediction and it comes true, it's more likely that 485 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: your worldview that you held when you made the prediction 486 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: was accurate, because it's predictable. Right. If the model predicts, 487 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: it's useful. As in science, as in anything else, right, 488 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 2: predictive models are useful. And so when I think of 489 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: what happened really the story of bitcoin, and I was 490 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: talking about this that same conversation we were having with Vivic. 491 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: When I spoke with RFK at the Bitcoin event in 492 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: Miami back in May. What we talked about was nineteen 493 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: sixty four, the year after his uncle died, because that's 494 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: the year where the Bank Secrecy Act comes into play. 495 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: That's the time when they deputize the banks to look 496 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: into why there's some protests about Vietnam, what's going on there? 497 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: You know, we just want to know who's making a fuss. 498 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: And very quickly it was well, who's asking questions about JFK, 499 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: who's asking this and that? And so I predicted already 500 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: in November had nothing to do with knowing about RFK 501 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: and bitcoin. But I started reaching out to RFK last November, 502 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: simply because the story of bitcoin and whatever it is 503 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: we're going through actually goes back to when his uncle 504 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: was killed, and I said, well, we're going to want 505 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: to know the answer to these things, and we're not 506 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: going to be able to deal with what happened and 507 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: understand what happened to America unless we understand nineteen sixty four. 508 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: That's when banks are deputies to involve themselves. That's when 509 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: you have the corrupt merger of corporate and state power 510 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: really start affecting American systems to the point where we 511 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: are now in a type of world war against what 512 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: that created. And indeed, the framework to understand World War 513 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: III is nations against people. It's exactly what was predicted 514 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: in the sovereign individual. It's exactly what I was already 515 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: made a terrorist. I'm a Canadian, right of course, those 516 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: truckers made most of us terrorists. So I've already many 517 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: times apologized to any debate I had with any Muslim 518 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: person from the Patriot Act, on which I was never 519 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: in favor of, but I at least said to them, well, 520 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: we'll know the difference between a terrorist and you know, 521 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: as someone who created a crime. Well, in fact, I 522 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: was the first person to be confused with Osama bin Laden, 523 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: So you know, I'll never forget that. And right away 524 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: you can understand this is not the way to organize 525 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: people in nations. 526 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: And that was the point that RFK brought up on 527 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: the spaces I have hosted with him yesterday, and he 528 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: said that that was actually the point that really woke 529 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: him up the Trucker protest, like when he became orange pilled. 530 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: That was the first question that was lobbed to him, 531 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: and he said, when that happened, that's when I woke 532 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: up sometime else. I didn't know obviously, I know, you 533 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: know JFK said that, you know, he was pasted the 534 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: presidency from Eisenhower, who warned him about the industrial military 535 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: industrial complex and then he gave the famous speech where 536 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: he he's going to splinter them into a thousand pieces, 537 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: and so he kind of came after the intelligence community 538 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: and the banking cartel. And so I've already I've always 539 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: kind of eyed that up as probably what led to 540 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: this assassination. But what I didn't know until RFK was 541 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: talking about it, but actually JFK was taking steps to 542 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: introduce a new currency that was backed by silver and gold, 543 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: and he kind of broke it down. I don't remember 544 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: the exact details. You probably know more about. 545 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: Buy medalism, Yeah, bi metalism. 546 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: Bi metallism. And you know, interesting enough, there was another 547 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: president who was assassinated for trying to take on the 548 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: federal reserve and that was Lincoln, right. So Lincoln created 549 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: something called greenbacks, which we think of just a slang 550 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: term for dollars. But during the Civil War, he's like, 551 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: why are we borrowing money from this banking cartel when 552 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: the government could just create its own. So he did 553 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: and he created the green backs, and then of course 554 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: he was assassinated as as well. But you know, all 555 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: of this goes back to, you know, kind of as 556 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned this bi metallism, gold being around for thousands 557 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: and thousands of years. You know, I love bitcoin because 558 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: it's a more technological, advanced creation today, but you know, 559 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: gold has been a way to protect your wealth for 560 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: thousands of years, which is why central banks are still 561 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: buying more gold than any time in history. And the 562 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: problem with gold is it's not easy to verify, so 563 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: you want to make sure you're getting it from a 564 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: trusted source. And that's why I work with a company 565 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: called Universal Coin and boy On, I trust him because 566 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I've worked directly with the president, Mike Fulgens. 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If you just tune in, 586 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. I'm joined today 587 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: in studio with Nolan Byerley, the host of The Breakup 588 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: every morning eight am Eastern on YouTube and Rumble. Check 589 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: it out. Nolan. We've been covering a lot of information here, 590 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: and I love the history that you just brought there. 591 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, you know, the brief little blip that 592 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: we have in history, and I think really when you 593 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: understand that, it gives more context. One more thing that 594 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: I've been going back and forth, Robert Reid Love and 595 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: I did this pretty big conversation on his show about 596 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: it recently, and I was talking the crisis, the crisis 597 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: in confidence that we've in authority. There's a book written 598 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: called Revolt of the Public by an XCI analyst, and 599 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: it talks about how the Internet now that information has 600 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: been democratized, and how the center, the authority can never 601 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: hold it will never it will never hold again because 602 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: now they can be discredited instantly, and so the authority 603 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: we used to give these institutions authority. Walter Cronkite on 604 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: the news every night, had authority, and the doctor in 605 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: his white smock had authority, the press professor had the authority. 606 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: But today they're easily discredited. But because the information is 607 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: too great with the mob right, the crowd crewd source 608 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: of information anyway. And if you look at that, you 609 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: can see that, you know, to your point, we haven't 610 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: really had these nation states forever. And really, as I 611 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: like to say, you know on the show, it's technology 612 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: that's always changes the world. It changes the way we communicate, 613 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: organized and work. I talk about these pendulums, and so 614 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: we have this pendulum that goes from centralization to decentralization, 615 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: which is sort of the theme of this show. And 616 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: the pendulum is now maxed out at centralization is starting 617 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: to swing back to decentralization. So if you look back 618 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: five hundred years ago, so two and fifty year cycle, 619 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: so five hundred years ago, we had the farm and 620 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: cottage industry very decentralized. But then we had a technological revolution, 621 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: which was the Industrial Revolution, which brought people into cities 622 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: and factories. And as that pendulum swung back, it's been 623 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 1: about a two and fifty yark. As that pendulum swung 624 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't just enough to live in America. You had 625 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: to live in Chicago or New York or a city. 626 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: And then we had the introduction nineteen oh eight with 627 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: Henry Ford with the automobile, but really mass production the 628 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: assembly line. And so then what happened is with these 629 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: assembly lines, everybody was sort of equal. You know, you're 630 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: way smarter than me, but on the assembly line, we're equal. 631 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: And we had the rise of this big middle class. 632 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: But what that created was this new management style. So 633 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: now we had to create this management style to manage 634 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: the masses. And so now we manage everybody like a 635 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: cog and a wheel, and everybody was boiled down to spreadsheets. 636 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: And because we had mass management to manage the mass assembly, 637 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: then we created a government structure to govern the mass 638 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: management mass production. But today we're no longer in that age. 639 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: We're in the information agent. So now back to the 640 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: Sovereign Individual, the book that you mentioned, which to everybody listening, 641 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: you should go read that book, The Sovereign Individual, highly 642 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: recommend it. Now we're no longer in the industrial age. 643 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: We're the information agent. So now today we're all digital 644 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: nomads on our laptop, living all around the world. There's 645 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: no longer these big corporations. It's also part of the 646 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: reason why I think the middle class has fallen, not 647 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: so partly because yes, jobs have been shipped to China, 648 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: but also because in the information age, it's really more 649 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: of a meritocracy. We're not equal only as simply anymore. 650 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: But the problem, without getting too that, the problem is 651 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: that the government structure we have today is still set 652 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: up for this mass production world, and now we're not 653 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: in that world anymore. So basically the thesis is that 654 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: the current form of government we had today is just 655 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: no longer compatible. 656 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, when I'm just chatting with people and I'm not 657 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: trying to lay the whole history a Bitcoin onto them 658 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: and everything, what I'll often say is, basically, we just 659 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: left the he's and the whole aircraft carrier running from 660 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: World War Two. We never shut any of the infrastructure off, 661 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: everything that's that brought America to victory in World War Two. 662 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: We just kept it running and we never we added 663 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: to it. We didn't change anything, Which is why personally, 664 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: as a bitcoiner, right I was a major supporter of 665 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, understanding always 666 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 2: that he's a bully, understanding why not trying to make 667 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't want to be a fan of Donald 668 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: Trump a fan. I get it why someone wouldn't like him. 669 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: I totally have always gotten he is a bully, Like 670 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: I totally get it right. But as a bitcoiner, what 671 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: I had to say is I like Trump won the 672 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: first campaign. I liked him in that first time around 673 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: because I knew he could change reality. He could do 674 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: exactly what you were saying. We had this hierarchy and 675 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: the job of president is a made up job. It's 676 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: like it's just made up and we've just been practicing 677 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: the president job. Now, the actual title of president is 678 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: a thing in the Constitution all that, but the way 679 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: the job is practiced is just from convention and just 680 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: from habit and just from practice. And we created presidents 681 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: in the mold of FDR because and his uncle Teddy Roosevelt. Right, 682 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: that's where Hale to the Chief was even played when 683 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: he entered a room. Right, that was his uncle who 684 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: insisted on that. So the whole idea is that the 685 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: job that that I saw Trump inheriting was going to 686 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: change the hierarchy was gonna it was gonna flip reality 687 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: on top of its head. And we wouldn't think of 688 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: the president as the same way. So I often to 689 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: to sort of reiterate and double down so that people 690 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: know where I'm coming from. I would say, as a bitcoiner, 691 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: I love Donald Trump one, but I wanted Joe Biden 692 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: in the second time even more. And now for the 693 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: next election, I want John Fetterman to be the president 694 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: of the United States. You want, I'm sworn in tomorrow 695 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: right now. Of course, I do it to show the joke, 696 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: right that that what we want is someone like Biden 697 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: at this point in time to be exactly what he is. 698 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: I think of it as just a beautiful punishment for 699 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: everyone who comes from that world of government corruption and 700 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: cronyism and kickbacks and double daling and all this nasty 701 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 2: stuff that they do. Right, it's no that it shouldn't 702 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: be that we have politicians, career politicians that are worth 703 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars. And when bitcoiners look at 704 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: the world, of course, right, we see financial engineering run amuck. 705 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: We see an entire generation lost to financial engineering. As 706 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: far as what their contribution is to society, we know 707 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: it's not their fault in a sense, right, The best 708 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 2: and brightest will always go to where you get paid 709 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 2: the most. Right, what we're trying to say in bitcoin 710 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 2: with a altering of time preference and some of these 711 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: things is the best and brightest should be making chairs 712 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: again and all of this stuff. And as an accelerationist, 713 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: you can't help but love what Joe Biden is doing. 714 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: And you can't help but love the whistleblowers and the 715 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: clear trail of crime here. Now, I'm trained as a lawyer, 716 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 2: and when I look at twenty something shell companies, what's 717 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: the product the Biden's selling? Right, Yeah, there's no products. 718 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 2: There's never been a product. 719 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: Well, we're not left to conjecture. I mean we have 720 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: the smoking guns, we have the WhatsApp messages, the text messages, 721 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: we have the wire transfers, we have the bank accounts. 722 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just never been more clear cut. 723 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 2: And I think that's sort of perfect in many ways. 724 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: America won World War Two, but Americans didn't win nothing. Now, 725 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: I don't want America's wealth to be based on other 726 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 2: people's poverty. But the rest of the world did real well. 727 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: After World War Two. China got everything I could have 728 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: ever wanted anything that China wanted, global access to markets. 729 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 2: I mean, wasn't that what Japan was fighting for in 730 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: World War Two? You know, China the same. They all 731 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 2: got whatever they wanted. Everyone got what they wanted. Now 732 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. I think that's great what America 733 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: did after World War Two, that it paid for the 734 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 2: reconstruction of the world and indeed gave China access to 735 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: global markets. I think all of that was why America 736 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: isn't exactly Rome right whenever, Oh, America's Rome right and 737 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: not exactly America is in a special place. It is 738 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 2: an amazing place. It's been hijacked, but it is an 739 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: amazing place that did amazing things, and that it let 740 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: the world up off the mat at the end of 741 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: World War two is an amazing thing. And in the 742 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: same way, I think America is as far ahead today 743 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: as it was in the nineteen fifties. Weirdly, despite all 744 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: of our problems, we have energy sort of solve, like 745 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 2: we didn't shut our nuclear reactors off and celebrate it. 746 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: Right. 747 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 2: So America, when you look at it energy, the stock market, 748 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: all this money that was printed around the world, where 749 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 2: did it end up on the American stock market? Right? 750 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: Because their fiat currencies were being inflated too, and all 751 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 2: of that stuff. But sitting there and watching Biden as 752 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 2: the steward of the gon dollar, as I like to 753 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: call him, right, he's the steward of the gon dollar, 754 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 2: and watching his disease adult brain try to come up 755 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 2: with these excuses about why is skid and him don't 756 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: do business together is kind of a perfect storm for bitcoin. 757 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: And it's why I predict that twenty twenty four is 758 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 2: going to be all about bitcoin politically, well it already 759 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 2: helped it already is, but I mean it will be 760 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: on the tip of everyone's tongue. In fact, I'm actually 761 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: starting to plan a show on jack l Island in 762 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: anticipation of the twenty twenty four US election, basically to 763 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: just go and talk about how the US dollar was 764 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 2: created there in the first place, with the secret meeting 765 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: of the bank cartel and all that stuff, and actually 766 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: just do a bitcoin show and get into the spiritual 767 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 2: side of bitcoin and the whole worldview side of bitcoin. 768 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, you certainly have to invite me to that, 769 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 1: as I love monetary history. It was cool. I've spent 770 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: a couple weeks in Europe just last month, and I 771 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: went to Florence and did a financial history tour in 772 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: Florence and the Nazy family all of that, but you know, 773 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: we got to wrap this up. You're listening to the 774 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: Mark mass Show. I'm been joined by Nolan Bierley. He's 775 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: the host of the Breakup Daily Show on YouTube and 776 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: Rumble every day at eight am Eastern. So go check 777 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: that out and let me know what you think about 778 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: this show. Hit me up on social media at one 779 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: Mark Moss, leave me a comment and review the show, 780 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: and that's what we got. Thanks so much for listening.