WEBVTT - Pretty Smart with Danielle Robay + Peter Rosenberg 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.640 The following podcast is a Dear Media production. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.240 Big Things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever, 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.480 pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe and each week my guests 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.239 and I have conversations that put a new spin on 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:23.320 pretty This is pretty smart. So when I thought about 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.240 the very first episode of pretty Smart, I thought about 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.960 wanting to feel comfortable because usually I'm on the other 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.240 side of an interview. So I called up the best 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:39.040 interviewer I know, Peter Rosenberg, host radio and TV personality 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.879 sometimes moonlights as a DJ, all around funny guy. I 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.199 call him the millennial Howard Stern. We'll see if he 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:49.440 takes that. Peter, you constantly challenge me. You are so 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.320 pretty smart. You make me change my perspective on things, 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.080 and I'm really excited to get into a conversation with you. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:58.320 Thank you for doing this with me. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.480 Oh, thank you for having me. Thank you for the 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.720 lovely introduction. I don't even know if I'm technically a millennium, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.759 like I'm right on the line, I'm very. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.600 Very close and you're a baby boomer. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:11.520 No, isn't it, jen X. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:12.319 I don't know. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.200 I think I'm between X and millennial. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.759 I think millennials supposed to be You were younger than 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.959 eighteen at the change of the millennium and I was 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.840 twenty one at the change. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:23.200 Of the millennium. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.160 Were you born before seventy seven? 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.240 No, I'm seventy nine. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.840 Then you're a millennial. Really yep, welcome to the club. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.800 Thank you. This is exciting news. I didn't even know 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:33.520 I was getting this today. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.919 But anyways, that is a lovely introduction, and I'm honored 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.000 to do this and I'm excited to get to ask 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.039 you things that even being your friend, I mean, I 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:41.560 know the answer to. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.440 Hopefully we can do this again and I can ask 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:43.840 you all the. 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.800 Questions, all right, But for today, I will ask you 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.920 the questions. And let's start off for people who are 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.040 just getting familiar with you, and maybe they have seen 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.040 you on social media or they've seen you pop up 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.200 on one of the many outlets that you do hosting work. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.160 Tell us a little bit about where you're from. I know, 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.720 I know you're from Chicago generally, but where you're from 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.080 in Chicago and how you ended up wanting to pursue 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.440 this dream of broadcast journalism. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.480 So I feel very proud to be from Chicago. It 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.560 was a really amazing place to grow up. I feel 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.080 like when people ask me, are you going home? I 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.160 still think of Chicago. I don't really think of LA. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.560 It feels like home to me, but I always wanted 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.480 to live in LA. Like growing up, I would watch 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.440 hours and hours and hours of TV, and I watched 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.240 everything like I watched Saved by the Bell and Gilmour 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.040 Girls and Sopranos and Family Matters, like literally anything that 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.480 was on TV. I would watch and my dad would 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.040 yell at me because my parents are really into education, 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:49.880 and they'd be like, you're wasting your brain. What are 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.960 you doing watching all this TV? And now he calls 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.600 me and he's like, I'm sorry I yelled at you. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.360 You were just doing research. I didn't know. So I 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.760 feel like I was always on a path to entertainment 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.160 and live in LA. But when I went to college 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.280 in Madison, I started doing internships at the local news 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.360 stations and I fell in love with it. I loved 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.040 the storytelling. I did not love carrying those hundred pound 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.959 I think I weigh one hundred pounds in college, Like 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.360 the cameras weigh as much as me, and we'd be 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.200 in the snow and the like it was freezing in Madison, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.160 just trying to get one shot for hours, and I 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.440 realized I didn't want to do local news at that point, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.480 but I really wanted to tell people's stories. So I 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.720 booked a one way ticket to LA, moved into a garage, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.880 and the rest was kind of history. I never looked back. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.160 What was it that made you realize you didn't want 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.480 to do local news? Like, what specifically about that experience 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.600 made you think, you know, I want to do broadcasting, 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.080 but I don't want to do that form of broadcasting. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.200 I've never been asked that, if I'm being honest, I 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:56.400 wanted to tell different stories. And the Internet was becoming 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.320 a thing like do you remember all those Britney Spears 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.440 fans that would on YouTube? And that was, yeah, that 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.280 you were one of them. That was the Internet for 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.400 a minute, But right after that it exploded into something else, 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.520 and I kind of felt like that was happening. I 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.560 wanted to be part of that explosion because the freedom 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.760 to talk to different people, tell different stories, have more 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.279 autonomy felt really enticing. And so when I moved to 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.159 LA after I started doing Red Carpets, I worked at 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.320 a place called Clever TV, which was a YouTube channel 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.360 that was always like one of the ten YouTube, ten 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.640 top YouTube channels, and that's where I learned the Internet, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.599 and so it was it was cool I got to 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:37.479 do different things. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.839 Yeah, that's really neat because you got to taste sort 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.680 of the classic medium of television, because like the red 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.479 carpet is like a pretty traditional television kind of thing, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.839 and then mix it with doing a YouTube channel. How 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.640 did you You kind of just threw and yeah, I 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.159 started doing red carpets, But like, how did you start 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:54.000 doing red carpets? 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.760 Who are you doing them for? How did you get 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:56.520 the opportunity? 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.280 Well, when I moved into the garage, no one would 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.120 answer my calls. I don't think it's because they didn't 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.279 know I was living in a garage, but I still like, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.080 I didn't have a reel. Really, I only had like 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.800 a reel from college. So I knew I needed to 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.960 get practice and I needed footage. So I would just 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.400 cold call people, cold email people. No one would answer me, 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.960 and I started googling people's addresses and I had no money. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.839 I had the two thousand dollars and I remember setting 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.240 a budget aside of like five hundred dollars to send 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.680 people cookies boxes of cookies, and I would put my 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.440 email address at the end of it. And so most 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.640 of the time people would email me and say like, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.920 I don't know who thanks standing out for these cookies. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.279 We don't have a position available. And I was like, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.320 that's cool, you know, just keep me in mind if 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.440 someone falls out last minute. But now I had their 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:45.600 email address. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.640 Exactly, and now you have a little back and forth 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.640 like when they see your email pop up again in 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.200 three months, even if they don't remember who you are, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.760 they see that they already engaged with you. Then they 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.719 look at it and are like, oh, yeah, the cookie 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:57.840 girl exactly. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.520 I was the cookie girl literally and it worked because 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:05.360 one day somebody dropped out and an online outlet called 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.800 me and said, can you be in Beverly Hills in 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.080 ninety minutes? And I said yes. I didn't even blink. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.279 Did my first red carpet. Simon Cowle gave me an exclusive, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.400 which I owe him so much. He doesn't even know 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.960 that because he got me my first gig. They started 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.280 calling me back because of that, and I would work 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.240 for free. They didn't pay me, but I needed footage 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.360 and it allowed me to build a reel, and then 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.920 I had all those email addresses and would send people 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.359 my reel over and over again. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.440 Were you nervous to show up and just do a 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.560 red carpet when you hadn't done anything like that prior? 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.799 I think when you're young, you have this blind naivete 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:46.640 like I would watch Juliana Ransick or Kat Sadler and think, like, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.919 I can do that, And so I didn't realize that 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.440 I couldn't do that, Like I definitely couldn't do that 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.880 to the level they were doing it, but in my 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.560 head I could, which was a blessing in disguise because 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.200 you just kind of go for it and then by 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:01.680 doing you get better hopefully. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.400 Well, I've realized recently as i've been like looking back 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.160 at my life and thinking about mistakes I've made, things 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.000 I'd like to do better. And one of the consistent 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.160 mistakes that I've made throughout my career and I still 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.000 make it is saying things that I regret and like, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.640 I don't mean necessarily something that like you have to 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.200 apologize for saying something off color. I mean, I'm sure 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.760 I've done that too, but I mean, you know, a 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.200 critique that was too harsh, you know, describing someone in 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.160 a way that wasn't kind, giving an opinion that was 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.040 just incredibly brash. You know, I showed up in New 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.640 York and I was just so brash with my opinions. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.520 And I say all of this not to just make 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.960 everything about me another great trade of mine, but because 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.320 that thing you just spoke about. In order to be 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.840 the person who has a chance to make it, you 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:59.640 have to have a sort of unrealistic view of yourself. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:04.000 If you you don't believe that it whatever twenty something 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.679 year old age that you're at, if you don't believe 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.360 that you're capable of doing it as well as Ryan 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.080 Seacrest and Juan Ransick, you're never going to get the 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.880 opportunity to even come close. So it's a catch twenty 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.760 two and you really do. It's kind of amazing hearing 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.280 you say that that you just sort of showed up 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.119 and like, I can do this, Because to me, that's 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.920 the sign of someone who can eventually make it, Because 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.080 you have to believe you're good enough to be in 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.640 the game, even if at that time when you look 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.480 back at it, you're like, I wasn't really good enough 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:36.120 to be in the game. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.480 It's so funny you say that, because one, it makes 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.880 me feel better hearing that you felt the same way, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.280 because I always want to be self aware and try 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.680 and like live outside my ego. But there is a 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.800 little ego in that right, like you have to have 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.600 a little bit. And then secondly, I interviewed Kevin Hart 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.839 once and I asked him did you know this was 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.800 going to happen? Like, did you know that you were 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.360 going to do this? And he said no, I had 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.840 no idea. I was a shoe salesman in Philadelphia. I 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.200 had no idea. And I did not believe him. I 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.160 thought it was a nice, humble answer. I did not 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:14.480 believe him, because anybody who goes after something passionate and 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.280 difficult has to have some sort of a belief. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.320 Especially if you're Kevin Hart, who for so long got 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.560 laughed out of rooms. People didn't think he was good enough, 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.400 funny enough. They made fun of him for being short, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.920 like he had so many things working against him that 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.040 maybe he didn't think he'd ever become an industry but 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.200 he had to have a certain level of just like 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.040 I'm good at this. I know I make people feel good, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.760 and I know what I can do. But yeah, you're right, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.080 it is. It's one of the funny things about this business. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.200 And as a result, people can come off as sort 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.640 of obnoxious and make mistakes and it doesn't mean they're 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.600 bad people or arrogant in general, but that they think 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:56.199 I'm cable. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.320 I mean I used to watch MTV. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.559 I remember this is one of my favorites is I 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.080 used to watch MTV and there was a guy on 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.959 TV and I would just think, like man to Actually 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.800 two people I would see and be like, why did 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:08.880 they even have this job? 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:09.559 Yeah? 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.840 Those two people are Carson Dally, who I don't know 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.480 in real life, but we have like a very friendly 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:22.720 mutual admiration Instagram relationship which started with him which was 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.680 completely random, Like I didn't know that he'd been following me. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.360 I didn't know he was so checked into hip hop stuff. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.559 But Carson Dally is just that diverse, which is what 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.719 makes him awesome and capable of doing the things that 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.320 he does right. The other person I used to hate 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.080 on was Cipha Sounds, who's now been my co host 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.200 for the over a decade, and I would be like, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:41.720 why this. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:42.280 Guy not me? 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.240 And it, Yeah, it can have its negative attributes, because 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.320 you can also get caught up thinking no one else 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.120 deserves it more than you do. But I really do 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:55.160 think for anyone who's listening who has an interest in broadcasting, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.319 if you don't have a belief that you're capable of 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.480 doing what kind of the people you see are doing. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.720 If you don't have that belief, you probably don't belong 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.400 and you have a really tough time. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:08.079 Now. 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.000 A healthy dose of reality of like I need work 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.679 that also helps because there are people who just show up, 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.280 Like especially with the Internet. I mean, if you get 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.319 one hundred thousand views on a video, what you're good? 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:22.360 Hand me the mic? 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.120 And I have seen people get handed the mic and 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.400 you're like, well, you were not ready to be handed 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:30.760 the mic. So you have to do the work and 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.280 you have to prepare yourself. But a healthy dose of belief, 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.360 I think is super important. You've done a ton of 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:41.000 interviews at this point, hundreds, maybe thousands. What's the most 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.880 effort you've had to put in to securing an interview? 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.760 And what did you do? 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.640 Ooh, the most effort to secure an interview? I do 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.040 a lot of crazy things to get things done, like 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.480 not just cookies. I really believe in the cold message, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.319 cold email. I'm trying to think about even. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.120 If it's just the amount of effort or times that you. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.079 Tried, you know what I did. I used to This 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.400 is so embarrassing. I just remembered this. When I moved 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.880 to LA, I made business cards with my headshot. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.200 On them and like a real estate agent business card, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.560 literally and they had different photos on each side. Like 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.720 it was really indulgent, but I wanted people to remember 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.920 me and every red card, but I was on. After 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.400 I spoke to the celebrity, the actor, the musician, I'd 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:26.840 hand them my business card. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.240 I didn't know, how did that play out for you? 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.959 Well? Interesting because I don't really know. I don't think 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.120 I understood how things worked. I handed them the business card, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.359 thinking like maybe if I asked them really good questions 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.800 and they feel connected, that they'll reach out to me 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.640 and then I can do a sit down interview. Because 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.560 when I moved to LA, all I wanted to do 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.920 was interview people, and I thought the road to that 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:53.520 were red carpets and building an online presence and right 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:54.920 and business cards. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.679 I end up instead with you just getting random, inappropriate 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.559 mess from people that you didn't want to get messages 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.920 from or maybe you did want to get a message 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.200 from them professionally, and instead it was like ten thirty, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.400 wya can. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.400 You meet at my hotel lobby? There were a few 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.480 of those, but also a good learning experience. You know, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.520 you got to figure out how to navigate that. But honestly, 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.440 some people were really really kind, like some of the 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.600 video at the cameramen and I say men because they 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.280 were men, but it should be camera people and editors. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.840 I would trade them like lunch and promise them some laughs, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.280 and they would shoot sit down interviews with me with 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.000 these actors that I don't know why they agreed, they 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.320 were so kind and they came for an hour and 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.560 I would do sit down interviews with them and put 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.120 them on YouTube. Like people were really generous with me. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.520 I think one of the biggest lessons is like ask 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.080 and you shall receive, because if you don't ask, nothing 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:52.720 ever happens. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.800 As time went on, did you continue to fall more 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.800 in love with interviewing did you like it less Did 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.760 you think I like inter viewing the actors, but I'd 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.400 like to talk to other people as well. How did 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.680 you find the experience of sort of the la Entertainment 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:08.760 interview World. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.360 At first, it was really exciting because I was so 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.480 happy to be there and I really wanted to get better. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.880 I want Somebody told me, like, you just want to 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.000 get paid to get your reps in at the beginning, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.480 and I wasn't even really getting paid, but I was 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.800 just happy to get the reps in. And then when 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.200 I started working at Entertainment Tonight Online, I started having 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:35.880 a crisis of conscience because I realized that the type 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.800 of reporter, the type of interviewer I wanted to be, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.080 was somebody who always came from a place of kindness. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:47.040 I always ask questions to this day with kindness at 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:51.480 the forefront, and you can't always do that at some 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.720 of these entertainment outlets. And it's no knock on them, 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.160 it's just it's not how the machine works. And so 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.200 it kind of evolved, and eventually I did a morning 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.440 show in Chicago, which was a gift because I got 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.520 to do hard news. I got to do I got 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.280 to be live for two hours every day. They let 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.840 me produce and write so many packages. I did stuff 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.000 on gun violence and voting, and I realized that I 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.480 wanted to mix pop culture and politics which I think 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.960 that's probably why we bonded initially, is you have that 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.720 same love. It's like they go so hand in hand 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.680 even though they seem like opposites. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.160 And also I would correct, I would personally correct whoever 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.120 gave you the advice of getting getting paid for reps. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.680 Yeah, I'm with you. It's just get reps. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.320 You know. That's that's actually something And it may be 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.600 an old school philosophy, but it's probably not one. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.320 I'm going to give up me too. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.440 Young person who wants to get reps and you give 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.400 them an opportunity and then they're like, yo, so what's 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.200 up with the money. I'm like, all right, get out, no. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.240 Reps, get out same like I mean, I. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:55.840 Literally say get out. But I'll be like, well, this 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.440 is how this is going to work. You're either just 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.280 gonna do it or you're not. But the idea of 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.080 like you show up and you think you get paid 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.520 to entertain who wants to see you entertain? 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:06.520 Who wants to hear you say anything? 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.280 Truly? And also not only not get paid. I've paid 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.480 to work so many times, particularly when I was young, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.480 because I felt like it was an investment in myself, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.760 Like I paid for hair and makeup. I paid to 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.920 get there with either bus money or gas money or 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:27.160 parking Like I've spent a lot of money trying to work. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.600 I am just now. I'm forty one, and I am 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.840 just now, like, oh not fine. Maybe I'm exaggerating a 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.480 little bit, but it didn't. It took until my mid 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.600 thirties for me to get like comfortable with having a 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.720 car service set for you and like that stuff gets 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.200 taken care of if you're hired. Everything for me for 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.400 the first ten to fifteen years of my career was 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.600 jumping in my very average, low end car and driving 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.240 to where I was going and being the most overly prepared. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.159 The amount of redundancy in my audio equipment, Like I 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.080 have a mini displayer with a microphone, but I also 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.840 have a tape recorder. I also have extra batteries. I 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.840 also have an extra plug. I also have a camera, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.439 so if the audio doesn't work, I can just get 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.280 video use that audio if I like and listen. This 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.720 isn't some sort of I used to walk uphill both 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.359 ways when I went to school in the in a 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.080 two feet of snow. But we will see and and 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.160 and by the way, we've seen this play out already, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.520 Like I believe that it's already been proven out to 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.359 be true when we saw the emergence of I'm not 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.320 even being that guy. But seriously, I can't remember what 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.000 it's called anymore. What was the name of the social 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.840 media app with the really short. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.480 Clips, TikTok? 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.439 But the first one that was super short five second come? 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.119 Oh, oh my god, uh. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.439 Vine Vine, which took us thirty seconds to remember the 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.000 name of the medium. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.040 Okay, that time happened. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.600 And there are peace people who turns it into real money, 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.439 and there are people who turns it into especially further 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.720 social media money. But if you were to play a 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.959 game called let's name all the Vine stars who turned 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:19.240 into mainstream media stars, you wouldn't do very well. You 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.320 might think of some people who did well on other 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.240 social media outlets, and props and kudos to them for 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:25.000 figuring it out. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.840 But I say that to say. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.760 Everyone thinks, when they have that moment, that this is 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.280 it and now everything's just going to open up for you. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.840 You're all good now. And the traditional ideas of work 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.520 ethic and just sticking around a place and blinding it 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.480 out and being a good person who people want to 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.280 be around. I just don't think that part's ever going 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.480 to go away. 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.440 You know, when you said that you have all that equipment, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.680 it reminded me. I did an event one time, I 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.119 think it was the MTV Movie Awards and the outlet 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.240 I was working for screwed up the scheduling and the 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.840 cameraman never showed, and I was like, I'll shoot it. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.760 I would have the camera and I knew how to shoot, 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.359 so I set it up, shot myself and ended up 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.440 editing the tape. And I remember thinking, like, you have 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.480 you can't just like go be a host. You have 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.920 to know how to do everything. It's how it works, 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:18.840 It's how bad do you want it? 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.240 You're just there. That's the other thing that I think 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.719 really comes up a lot. What do you want to do? Uh? 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.280 You know, I do a little of this, I do 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:26.680 a little of that. I do a little I'm like, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.120 what do you do? You know? Like? And I guess 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.959 I'll ask you that question, what do you do? Like? 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.200 What is what is Danielle Robe's thing that you would 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.800 say is really in you that you're meant to do? 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:45.359 I think that I'm able to ask people questions without 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.639 any judgment and create a really comfortable space for people 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:54.240 to open up and feel seen in a way that 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.400 other people probably can. But I think that's my thing. 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.800 Let's remove the in a way other people probably Well, 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:01.440 it's true. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:02.919 It's not like I'm the only person who can make 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.320 people feel seen, you know, but I do think that. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.359 That's I'm the one who allows people to be seen. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.359 But that just speaks to humility in general that you 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:15.639 wouldn't even give yourself that. But so in other words, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.879 though the looking back, if someone were to ask twenty 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:20.440 one year old to you, what do you do? 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.879 The answer is really I interview. Really, well, that's what 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:24.119 I do. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.119 I mean I would stand on red carpets and I 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:30.760 would ask people about feminism, and like you know, I 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.280 would ask people things that you probably shouldn't ask on 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.480 red carpets, And now I get to do that in 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.359 an interview series. So I think it was kind of 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:40.359 all leading up to that. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.760 And it's so perfect too, because you know, that's why 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.640 pretty Smart and what you're doing with it is such 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.720 a perfect fit because you have the opportunity to pick 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.760 people that make sense that you want to ask questions to, 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.040 who you already know can engage in these kinds of conversations. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.919 So I guess we should get to the pretty smart 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:00.320 of it all. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.840 What's your what's your pretty? What's your adjective? You're pretty? 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:05.680 What like? If we were to name your. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.919 Episode smart, I wouldn't go past that. 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.920 You're pretty funny too, I'm pretty funny. Yeah. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.639 No, I'll give myself more than that. I believe i'm funny. 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:16.399 I'm pretty smart. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.080 No, pretty is not a diminutive. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.720 I feel like, well, it depends how you're looking at it. 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.879 In your case, it's not it's pretty smart. It plays 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.359 on multiple things. In the case with me, one version 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.960 of pretty is out the window immediately, so pretty ends 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.720 up turning into kind of not true. 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.120 Not true at all. You know, when I named it, 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:37.240 part of it was that it was irreverend. I heard 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.720 Amy Schumer say that people would say, well, you know, 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.199 she's pretty funny for a woman, and I was like, 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:43.919 there's a spin on that. You know. 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.359 Was that the origins of you thinking of pretty smart? 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:49.680 Or did it start somewhere else? 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.520 It's actually started when I was doing the morning show 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.480 in Chicago. I read a book called Beauty Sick, and 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.440 doctor Renee Engellen wrote it it's a book that changed 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:02.040 my life. She's stills off with a stat by Esquire 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.560 and she says fifty four percent of women would rather 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:06.840 be hit by a car than considered fat. And when 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.080 I read that, my heart sunk, because when I was 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.560 in high school, I would ask, well, how fast is 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.600 the car going? And that's kind of hard for me 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.480 to say out loud because it feels. 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.680 A joke to some degree. I mean mostly, No, it. 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.760 Wasn't a joke. I don't think I had a healthy 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.720 relationship with food or body image. And I think to 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.280 be a woman in America, to be honest, is that, like, 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:34.320 find a woman who has a really healthy perception of 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.760 their own body, their own self, their own weight, doesn't 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.440 have a weird relationship with food in any way, and 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.919 like I will give you a million dollars that I 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:43.280 don't have. 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.200 Yeah, it's it's when I go through the list of 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:49.600 people that I'm really close to in my life, it's 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.080 a very tough one. 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.359 And it's not excluding men either. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.560 I think there's a high percentage of men too. Yeah, 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.480 very higher than you think. But you can think of some. 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.399 But it's tough, but it really is. It really is 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.840 true and Obviously that's not surprising when you look about this, 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:08.960 when you look at around and see the images that 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:10.040 are put out there for people. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.560 I'm so glad you mentioned that because I kept thinking 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.000 as I was reading this book, it's a value issue. 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.600 It's that we place so much value on pretty for 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.000 women in America. And then I started asking people, who's 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.919 the prettiest woman you know? So for you, who pops. 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.639 Into your mind the prettiest person that I know? 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:27.480 Prettiest woman? 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.720 Yeah, I mean my girlfriend. 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:30.959 Oh, good answer. 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.280 Prior to giving the good answer of the person that 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.440 you're obviously with, I would say the most consistent person 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:40.639 I've said over my whole life. 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:42.800 Yeah, I probably would have said Halle Berry. 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.240 So also a good answer. But you're the first person 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:50.320 to actually name the first person I've spoken to to 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.639 name a celebrity, because everybody I spoke to would be 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.840 like my mom, my sister, my girlfriend. No one would 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.320 name like well known people. And I kept thinking about 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.760 how the prettiest women in my life were all of 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.399 these things. They weren't perfect. They had bumps and bruises, 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.080 and that's what made them so pretty. They were pretty 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.679 bold and pretty strong, pretty witty, pretty smart, and so 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.040 I was like, I'm going to go create the show 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.880 I've always wanted to create and interview people who are 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.000 the kind of pretty that matters. So each episode is 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.359 going to feature somebody who is all of those things. 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:30.520 Pretty determined, pretty ambitious, pretty funny, And we're going to 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:31.560 take the word pretty and. 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:36.119 Spin it so pretty does not have the connotation that 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:38.520 for example, I just used it for, which is Halle Berry, 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:40.040 who's just objectively pretty. 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.000 She is, but you know she's actually she's pretty soulful too. 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:50.000 Well, no, no, how's Hallie's pretty complicated and right and 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.920 smart and interesting, and she's a lot. 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:53.720 Halle's a lot. 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.160 But knowing you, that's why you said her too, because 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.280 if she was just pretty and vapid, you wouldn't have 0:24:58.320 --> 0:24:58.920 thought about her. 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.880 That's probably, But that's I have a weird thing for 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.040 being into people because of their whole story. 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:08.600 It's not weird. That's everybody. 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:09.719 I don't know. 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:11.679 I mean, I always think about this in terms of 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.560 athletes a lot. Like people root for athletes because they're good. 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:19.120 I root for athletes sometimes because they're good, but sometimes 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:20.440 because I want them to win. 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.800 I disagree with you. I think we buy into people's stories. 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:26.800 We do not everyone does. 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.720 Like name an athlete that you think that people do 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:30.400 that about. 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.119 I think, Jordan, I think people story. Yeah, they I 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.000 guess you're right. They add the story to make you 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:38.719 feel good. I'm not saying most people don't, but I'm 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.240 saying I also wouldn't write that office saying oh, everyone 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:41.600 does that. 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.040 Everyone cares about people's stories. Like No, A lot of 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:45.160 people who root for sports. 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.200 They root for you because you wear a laundry that's 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.520 the color they like, and if you're not doing good job, 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.959 they want you trade it immediately. And then there are 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.400 other people who are like, I know he's not doing 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.520 well right now, but like, I'm committed. 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.000 To this person and I want them to succeed. 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.040 But that group does exist, and it's one of the 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:06.119 reasons athletes can often get frustrated with fans. So I 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:08.240 say that to say there are a lot of people 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.000 who would identify with wanting to see the whole package. 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:11.800 Interesting. 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:12.959 Listen, I think you're right. 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.920 I think most I think good people like people because 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.640 of their stories. So when you say who's pretty to them, 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.800 they don't just think of the prettiest supermodel they've ever seen. 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.240 They think of someone who's close to them or someone 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.040 who has meaning. I think that's a really interesting point, 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.800 as opposed to as being like, well, Heidi Klumb, not 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.919 that Heidi Clumb's not super interesting, because she is actually, 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:32.720 but you get the point. 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.240 Or Cindy Crawford or Brad Pitt. 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.600 They're going to think of someone who probably has something else, 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.439 some other connection to them. But I think that's for 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.160 good people. I don't think everybody's good. I think everybody 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.880 has good I don't think everybody's good. 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:52.159 See, I think everybody's good, But I think whatever we 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:53.720 don't get to I want to ask you something else. 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.440 Have you ever thought about why you are obsessed with stories? 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.200 Because you and I are both really obsessed with stories. 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.480 No, I never thought about why I'm obsessed with stories. 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:07.359 I just relate to people for whatever reason. I see 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.040 something in them that I go I feel like people 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:11.840 are judging this person unfairly. 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.280 I'd like to see what else is there interesting? 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:17.280 I've never thought about it that way. 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.840 Well, everything that I'm into requires defending well. 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.760 I think one of the things that makes you such 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.800 an interesting interviewer and personality is that you're very comfortable 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.520 with confrontation. And I don't know if it's because you're 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:33.520 very practiced at it, but you have no qualms about 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:37.280 pushing up against an idea a person. It's something that 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.600 most people are not as comfortable with. You're okay being 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:40.200 a naysayer. 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:45.120 Well, I appreciate you saying that it's not true, because 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:46.240 I am uncomfortable. 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.880 I don't like things to go that way. 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.919 I would love for interviews to just always be like 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.760 an awesome, fun back and forth. But you know, sometimes 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.600 there's a moment when you just say no that you 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:00.920 cannot say that we're gonna have a an argument here. 0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:04.359 No now. I don't always, though, and there are times 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.840 when if the art, if the person's big enough, and 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.679 you have relationships that were required to get the interview, 0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:11.320 where you have to be like, oh man, how do 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.359 I navigate this disagreement kindly, in like really delicately so 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.159 they don't rush off? And I have all kinds of 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.080 other drama to deal with as a result of that. 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.320 I know the nice answer would be like, I'm Walter Cronkite, 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:27.600 and the second I hear wrong, I stop it in 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.560 its tracks because I am here to have America hear 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.359 the truth. But sometimes you go, oh, I got to 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:34.919 think about the manager. I gotta think about this, I 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:39.040 gotta think about and let me. Sometimes I think, hey, 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.000 can I help you give a better answer to that 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.000 question because what you just said sucks. Let's walk through 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.480 this together. And you know, sometimes that's what you try 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.400 to do. But I appreciate that you think I do 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.600 that because I don't think it's easy, and I think 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.360 if you do it too much, you're an asshole. 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.000 Yeah, you have to walk the line. It's the heart 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:00.800 and the hustle. 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.000 Yeah, because if you're a gotcha guy in interviews who's 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.600 waiting for the moment to be like what you say 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.600 gotcha like, there are a lot of people who do 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.480 that and are very successful. And I don't respect that either, 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.880 and I don't I don't appreciate that either. And that's 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:17.960 something I like about what you do and why I 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.920 think pretty smart will be cool. I can't imagine while 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.760 the goal is to have thoughtful dialogue, I can't imagine 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.000 the goal is to like catch people in something they 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:26.880 wish they didn't say. 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:31.280 No, absolutely not. The goal is twofold. It's so back 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:34.400 to stories like this is one of the goals I'm 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.880 obsessed with stories because I'm obsessed with why I feel. Like, 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:39.600 you know, I went through like a little bit of 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.400 a depression last year, and no person could make me 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.360 feel better. The only thing that made me feel better 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.080 was listening to people's stories and podcasts and reading of 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.800 people's stories and books. And I really believe like when 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.560 we listen to other people's stories, a kernel of truth 0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.960 exists within ourselfs. And so my goal is a to 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:06.280 bring out incredible, moving, interesting, inspiring stories and also have 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.160 some thematic episodes like I'm doing in a few weeks. 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.040 I'm doing You'll like this a whole history of Women 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.480 in Hip Hop episode, and we're talking to female MC's 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:19.360 and talking about topics that impact culture and talk about 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.560 what works for us and what we can work to change. 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.720 That is awesome And I won't say lofty goal, but like, 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.680 that's a good, real expectation to have for yourself. 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:30.760 Are you nervous to launch the podcast? 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.680 Yeah, I'm pretty nervous. I'm usually the one asking the questions, 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.960 and it's because I think I'm innately curious, but also 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.560 because I don't like answering them as much. So this 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.040 is really taking me out of my comfort zone. My 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.640 promise is that it will be incredibly candid and real, 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.120 So I cannot be an exception to that. I have 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:53.560 to show up as that every week. 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:57.080 So do you just mean that because it's not exclusively 0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:57.920 you asking questions. 0:30:57.920 --> 0:30:58.680 It's conversation. 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.560 Yeah, exactly, opposed. 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:02.520 To like, hey, what are you doing with this? What 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.000 are your thoughts on blank? It's a here's a question, 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:06.600 now let's go back and forth. 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:07.360 Exactly. 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:09.520 It's a different sort of animal. 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.440 Yeah, you have to show up as yourself to make 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.520 other people comfortable to show up as theirselves. I think you. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.640 Had some relationship with the late great Larry King. What 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:18.880 can you say about Larry King? 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.720 Yeah, he's the best. I Actually, before he passed away, 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.960 he signed the microphone that I'm using for my at 0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.000 home setup. I bought like an old school mic that 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.680 he used to use, and I had him sign it. 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.200 So I hope that he would kind of put a 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.360 stamp of approval on this. But I used to have 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.520 breakfast at Larry and it was sort of an outer 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:42.000 body experience at first, because I studied him, like I 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:46.320 watched hours and hours of Barbara Walters and Larry King 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.440 and Bob Costas, and I just would think and look 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.240 at how they moved their hands and the way they 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.320 asked a question and rewind and think about why they 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.959 asked a question that way. And So to be with 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.720 him in conversation and hear him telling me stories about 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.000 interviews was wild because in my head I knew the 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:05.600 interview he was talking about. I was like, oh, you 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:07.720 were wearing a blue shirt that day, Like I knew 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.320 what he was talking about, and to hear it in 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:10.240 real time was cool. 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.280 How did this relationship come to be? 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.840 So he has breakfast at uh or. He used to 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.520 have breakfast at a bunch of different delis in Beverly Hills. 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.920 Every day. He had this group of friends from growing 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.040 up in Florida and some people from New York. And 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.160 every single day he would have breakfasts and he would 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.000 usually have cheerios and blueberries. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:32.680 What I only knew that he went to Nate Nowles, 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.880 but he went to multiple places. 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.800 So like Tuesday would be Nate Nows and Thursday would 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:39.560 be Nate Nows, and then like Wednesday would be a 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.120 different spot. He had a whole schedule, okay, and he 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.360 had this group of people and friends. It was like 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.720 a bunch of old Jewish guys. Sometimes women would be there, 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.880 like a cousin or something, and I was like, oh 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:54.840 my god, this is like what I grew up around. 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:55.160 You know. 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.000 It was so fun and I didn't really have that 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.440 in La. I didn't know anybody. And I would go 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.000 and he would. He was obsessed with youth. He loved 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.720 having youthful energy, and so he would stare at you 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.600 and ask you a hundred questions, like some questions about 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.800 what you ate for breakfast, and then some questions deep enough, 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:13.600 like you know, what do you think of the world, 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.680 and how do we cure hunger? And he just he 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.120 was the single most curious person I'd ever met. 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.000 And he just like where you introduced to him? Like 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:23.360 how did he end up taking to you? 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:24.320 Yeah? 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.520 I was introduced to him by a friend and it 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.800 was actually for my birthday one year, and it was 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.920 such an amazing gift, and it was supposed to be 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.400 a one off breakfast and then there was no way 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.600 I was letting that be a one off. I was like, 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.640 I have to come back, so I would go more often. 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.680 Which, by the way, is such an interesting insight to 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.400 the valuable the value of get of knowing people and 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.720 having relationships, you know, and having connections to people, and 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:52.720 getting to meet people because you never know who that 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.800 person is close with and which is ultimately for better 0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.880 or for worse, a part of our game as well. 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.360 I mean, I've never got in anything from sent to 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.080 the point you made earlier. I've never gotten a job 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:05.840 from sending. 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.360 In a tape ever, me neither never. 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.120 Never even really had a meaningful dialogue as a result 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.000 of just sending off a resume in an air check. 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.480 You know what's funny though, When I worked at ET Online, 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.600 I would go in after hours when no one was there, 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.279 and they had this incredible backlog of interviews, like they 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:27.120 had just hundreds and hundreds and thousands of hours twenty 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.239 thirty years of interviews archived, and I would go and 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.640 just watch them. And there was this one interview with 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.719 j Loo that I always remember. She said that when 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.880 she booked her first role for Selena, that was like 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.839 her first big movie role. She did like twelve auditions 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.360 and her manager called her and was like, Wow, you 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.719 finally got it. But you always take the long road, 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.799 like it never just comes easy to you, nothing ever 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:51.839 just falls in your lap and we look at Jaylo, 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:53.640 we think everything fell in her lap, right like it 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.719 just seems like it all appeared. And I so identified 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.919 with that. I never have just like gotten a job, 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.919 no one ever, just like you know, and it, Yeah, 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:04.880 you have to work so hard for it. It's so funny, 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:05.960 but it makes it worthwhile. 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.719 It's so funny. I never really thought about that. But 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.800 you know, all of my jobs were years in the making. Yes, 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.360 ESPN would probably be the one that came easiest, but 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.160 even that, I'd obviously already been working for a very 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.160 long time. And once my agents made the introduction, we 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.520 played a game of them bringing me in to do 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:25.879 random things. 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:31.279 That lasted almost six months. Six months, come in and. 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.200 Do this weekend, jump on this show, come with this 0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:37.200 person and listen. After a couple months, I got to 0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:38.839 the point of being like, Okay, they're going to use 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.680 me for something here. They're not going to just keep 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.040 having me back for no reason. But it took time, 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.640 and like I said, that was the easiest one. But 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.719 to your point, it takes a long time and some 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.839 people and the hard part about it taking a long 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.799 time is for some people it happens overnight and it 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.200 can be frustrating. You know, we're all human beings, especially 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.360 with social media. When you go on social media and 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:05.640 you're comparing your insides to other people's outsides, it's a 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.759 very complicated place to be. So people are putting up 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:10.880 the image of like, look how easy my life is. 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.680 Everything I auditioned for I get, and you're scrolling like 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.120 I'm in my underwear. I hate myself. No one writes 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.440 me back, my mom doesn't even call me. And it 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.879 can be a really challenging dynamic, you know, to get through, 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:24.760 but that's not real. 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.160 You're not seeing what people are really going through. 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.719 So knowing me, because you knew I had kind of 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.319 a tough year and a half previous to this, I 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.360 wasn't my happiest. When you looked at my social media, 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.880 you probably were like, this bitch. 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:44.160 Is a liar, liar, But I did the same thing. 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.000 My ex wife and I broke up. I went off 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.400 social for six months, came back on social, was still 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:53.160 in horrible shape, and I just made a social media 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.759 that covered up all the misery and deep pain I 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.440 was going through. And it's like, here's me doing an interview, 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.719 here's me doing that, And the truth is I did 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.240 it to protect myself, but I also hate it because 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:07.960 it's so dishonest. 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.480 Disconnected system. I agree with you, but I also don't 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.600 think that the place to process pain is social media. 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.720 If that's not for you, that's not where I'm comfortable 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.560 processing it. So I didn't want to show up on 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.879 stories crying. I'd rather show up in a moment where 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:23.359 I wasn't. 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:25.440 Not only do I agree with you, but I find 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.800 wanting to share it interesting. 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:29.680 It's not for me. I don't understand it. 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:31.640 I get it when people do it and it's like 0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:35.279 something silly or you know, not that deep. But if 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.839 you're going through deep, deep pain, the idea of being 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.840 like I want to share this with everyone naturally, without 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:43.680 having to push yourself to be like this would be good. 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:44.960 I want to help other people. 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.719 Yeah, you know when I use the D word on 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.320 the radio when I first started, when I eventually started 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.280 saying divorce, it was just because I wanted to, Okay, 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.640 I have to accept this and live authentically again. Right 0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.800 in the immediacy of it. I had no obligation to people. 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.280 I don't know your obligations to take care of yourself. 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:05.640 And then once you're at a point of being Okay, 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:07.520 all right, well, now I want to be authentically me 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.439 and let people see what's going on here. 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.400 But even in that, I'm not going to be like 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:12.560 throwback Thursday. 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.040 Here's a picture of me weeping faced out on my 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:16.920 kitchen floor, like I'm gonna do. 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:19.640 All right. 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.560 Here, I want to ask. I know reading is super 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.160 important to you. Yeah, I love posting about the books 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:28.160 that are on your nightstand. 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.200 You say that with a little bit of judgment, but 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:31.200 we'll let that slide. 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.040 Not a little bit strong judgment. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:38.880 I'm I'm hating because it takes me two years to 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:40.400 finish a book, but I don't. 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.239 Always finish them. But whatever, keep going. 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.280 What's a book that really affected you, really maybe affected 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:48.240 your perspective on life, something that you think like everyone 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:49.440 should should pick up. 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:51.920 Okay, my favorite book of all time is Tale of 0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.799 Two Cities. I am a hopeless romantic and I love 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.080 that book. A book that shifted my perspective. I love 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.839 Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. I love Freakonomics before bed. I 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.960 oftentimes listen to What I Know for Sure by Oprah 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.640 on Audible. I love her voice and I love her wisdom. 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:11.640 I wish everyone could see your face right now. There's 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:12.800 so much judgment. 0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:15.280 Your judgment, I mean slight judgment. 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:16.320 Blake Door g alert. 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:19.880 All right now, I'm going to steal from you and 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.560 do my favorite thing that you do in interviews, which 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:26.320 is yours Q, your pretty smart question, where you literally 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.520 have a deck of note cards and pick a question 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:30.759 at random and have to answer it. 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:31.040 Now. 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.359 I'm in New York, you're in Los Angeles. I don't 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.440 have the deck of cards, but you have the questions 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.680 randomly in front of you. So I want you to 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.840 pick a random question like you would with one of 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:44.120 your guests, and let's ask Danielle the question. Okay, thank you, 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.799 just like randomly, Yeah, randomly scroll and grab and grab one. 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:54.319 Okay. Do plants thrive or die in your care? Unfortunately? 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.640 They die? They died. I die. I actually killed succulents. 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.239 I think I could kill it cactus. It's so embarrassing. 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.960 Did do you feel a judgment by this? 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:05.279 Like? 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:06.840 Is there a little bit of self judgment? 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:07.200 Yeah? 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:11.480 There is. I have sort of a judgment of myself 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:17.279 in general of maybe not being a great homemaker per se. 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:21.440 I just don't enjoy, like I don't love decorating a space. 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.920 I don't love taking care of plants, and so I'm not. 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:27.640 So you know, you're not really good at things you 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:28.400 don't like doing. 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:30.360 Also, don't have any pets. 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:34.200 On purpose, like I can't handle that, which I mean 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:34.879 you have Bear. 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:36.840 I like Bear, but was feed into some sort of 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.640 deep fear you won't be able to take care of 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:40.439 another human band. 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:45.200 Yeah, actually my chest like sort of I felt something 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:45.880 when you said that. 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:50.040 Yeah, I think I can understand how this line of 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:51.000 thought could make you. 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:51.560 Feel that way. 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.560 Yeah, I think I really. It's funny because a guest 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.960 that I interview that's coming up said this, but I've 0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:00.680 always wanted a really big career and a big life 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.960 and a big, loving family, and one of my greatest 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.960 fears is that you cannot have that all. I think 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:08.719 Ruth Bader Ginsburg said you can have it all, but 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.840 not all at once. My fear in the future is 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:11.719 trying to figure that out. 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:15.960 I guess that's really interesting. I never thought about. 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:17.480 That, and that's because you're a dude. 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.320 You know. I've really wanted to have a family for 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:25.640 a while, and obviously that plan changed, and I often think, 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.160 am I ever going to have one because I want 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.440 one badly, And then I'm like, I've lived this life 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:34.520 that's so unique relative to everyone else I know in 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.000 my friends and family, but they all have this wonderful family. 0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:39.840 Will I ever get to have that? Also? 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.759 Can I ask you one question about that? What's your 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:46.799 relationship with faith? And I don't mean religiously, I mean 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:48.680 like faith that things will work out. 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:53.080 Yeah, it's pretty good, it's solid. Everything I've ever accomplished 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.400 was based on that. You know, it is based on no, 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.960 I'm going to do that. And you know, my friend Chauncey, 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:02.840 who's one of my smartest and most thoughtful, introspective friends. 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:06.720 He's literally a philosophy professor at Dickinson University. Yeah, Nazi 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.480 always describes that his people would ask him about what 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.759 I was doing and he'd say, oh, Peter's going to 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.840 be on Hot ninety seven, and they'd be like what, yeah, okay, 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.520 and He's like, no, he is. And that was sort 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:21.800 of I had that faith. I had some people around 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:23.840 me who, because of my faith, had that faith, and 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.560 maybe just because of who they were. The divorce sort 0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:29.160 of shook a little bit about faith, just in the 0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.160 sense of, like, if I do this that and the 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:35.120 next things will return to normal. However, I still have 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:39.760 faith that things will end up right. It's just sometimes 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:41.880 the thing that you think is supposed to happen, isn't it. 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.719 You know, my relationship with faith is still pretty good. 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:47.239 Plus the George Michael song Faith. 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.719 Amazing Future Man, that's another one that everyone has to 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:51.120 listen to. 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.920 All right, So, last question I have for you, smartest 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:55.440 decision you've ever made? 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.640 The first thing that comes up for me is that 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.279 I always take the road lest ti traveled. My mom 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.880 always says like, I don't know why you always have to. 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.000 You make things so hard for yourself. Maybe that's true. 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:10.359 I just don't know any other way. I've moved like 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:14.759 eight times. I constantly leap without a net. I've quit 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:18.560 jobs without other jobs like I just I think I 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:20.120 always do the thing that scares me. 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.719 So your smartest decision is making bold decisions. 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.600 Sounds really dumb when you put it that way, but. 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.399 Yeah, I guess, Oh it doesn't sound dumb. 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.080 Thanks for making me sound pretty stupid. 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.520 I mean, can't that be part of pretty smart? 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.040 Yeah? It is. I mean we can't. We can't all 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:38.000 be smart all the time. 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.560 Pretty small, pretty smart and you one can be pretty 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.239 smart and pretty dumb. But no, I didn't. I didn't 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:45.040 think about it that way at all. I just thought 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:45.960 it was interesting, that's all. 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:46.319 I think. 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.040 Smartest decision was moving to LA. If we're gonna yeah, 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:50.120 I think moving. 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:51.799 To LA is that just because you love sugarfish? 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:53.279 How do you know I love sugar Oh? Because I 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:53.600 eat it? 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:55.000 No? 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:56.640 I mean just you live in LA. 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.759 Yeah, I do love sugar fish. That's so. 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:00.520 No. 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.680 I think my whole life opened up here when I moved. 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.319 I did not have one I did not know one 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.640 single person here, like, not one, not a family member, 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.799 not a friend, And it was really cool. I got 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.839 to create my own life. 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.240 You're very very smart. You're more than pretty smart. 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.319 You're very smart, pretty dorky, and pretty dumb, according to 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.080 you after this interview. 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.760 Narky I would have said before and pretty judgmental about 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:33.520 my love of wrestling, but also pretty driven and generally interested, aware, smart, etc. 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.560 I'm excited for your podcast venture. May it reach many people, 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.000 and may you make more money doing it than I 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:42.360 ever have doing podcasts. 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:43.800 Thank you, Rabbi Rosenberg. 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.400 I've never gotten that, and I prefer not to again. 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.080 Okay, So we have a few questions left from Instagram 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.440 that I want to get to and someone asked the 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:59.040 major key for you to be successful? For me, it's 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.120 moving my body. I got a sweat every single day. 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:06.200 The best career advice you've received, I think, don't do it. 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.640 I would call people for advice and I get a 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.280 lot of people saying, you know, this is a really 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:15.240 hard path, or there is no path. If you're interested 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:17.880 in anything else, to do that. And I think that 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.880 was the best advice because if you are interested in 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.000 anything else, if you're going to give up, you're gonna 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.759 give up at that point. So when they said don't 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:27.719 do it, I did it anyway, and I think that 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.720 was the most helpful, honestly. The other piece of advice 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:34.040 that I really loved is from a man named Steve, 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:37.360 who has been a person who has guided my life 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.200 more than anybody else. And he said to me, you 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.480 just have to make good decisions every single day, because 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:44.839 I used to say I don't know what the five 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:46.520 year plan looks like, I don't know what I want 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.319 in ten years, and he would say, just make good 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:53.040 decisions every single day and hopefully they amount to something. 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:58.680 The biggest lesson I've learned so far. I think patience, 0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.680 I used to try and four things, and I'm trying 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.439 to learn to have some more faith. You know, Peter 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.840 talked about faith. I think he's better at it than 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.960 I am. Trying to have more of it and trying 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.719 to let things flow, not force it as much. Three 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.759 things about you that I couldn't find on the internet. Hmm, 0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.000 that's funny. I don't know if you could tell from 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:21.200 my Instagram, but I'm a die hard Bulls fan. Second thing, 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.200 I'll had a lot of weird jobs. I used to 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.120 clean spin bikes and people's sweaty spin shoes at six 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.800 am in college before class. That was probably the grossest 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:35.120 job I've ever had. And I never say never. My 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:37.439 mom says it's bad luck. She says, if you say never, 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:40.360 then it happens. She can never say never. And I 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:42.719 used to kind of be a professional intern. I would 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:44.640 work for free all the time. And I remember I 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.040 got a really coveted internship at the NBC station in Madison, 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.560 Wisconsin in college. I called my dad. I was so 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.600 excited and I said I got the NBC internship, and 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:58.120 He's like, Danielle, call me when someone's paying you and 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:02.160 he hung up. I'll never forget that. What does your 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.320 mom know about you that you'd be embarrassed if she 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:08.520 told other people? I shovel food in my mouth like 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:10.920 I think sometimes. I like, if I'm eating salad, I 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.239 bring the salad to my mouth instead of bringing the 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.480 fork to my mouth. What is the quality you most 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:21.040 respect in another woman? Hmm, I'm gonna say self efficacy. 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.120 I think you cannot defeat someone who truly knows who 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:27.839 they are. And I learned that from Oprah. You really 0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:29.840 got to know who you are. And that's why questions 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.920 are so important. The more questions we ask ourselves, the 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.520 more we know ourselves. What is your life motto or mantra? 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:38.799 If you have one, you know, there's two that I 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.720 always quote. The first one is those who don't believe 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.880 in magic will never find it, and that's from a 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:48.400 Roll Doll book. And the second one is something that 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.400 I wholeheartedly believe and try to live, which is service 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:53.800 is the rent that you pay for room on this Earth? 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:59.840 By Shirley Chisholm. All Right, that's it. That's a wrap 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:04.160 on the first episode. Second episode is up now too, 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.040 so I hope you kind of bingam. I'm so excited 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.520 to do this with you, and I promise to try 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.920 and earn your attention every single week. There are so 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:17.240 many great things out there, There's so many creative, smart, 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:22.520 interesting documentaries and shows and podcasts, and I think in 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.440 this attention economy, you gotta earn it. So I promise 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.640 to try and earn it from you every single week. 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.319 I'm going to put a ton into this, really really 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.560 excited to do this with you. So thank you for 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:37.000 tuning in, and today is a good day. To have 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.200 a good day. I'll see you next week.