Speaker 1: On August sixth, nineteen ninety three, shots were fired in
Speaker 1: front of bodega in East New York, Brooklyn. One young
Speaker 1: man named Ray Frasier survived, while his friend, Devon Brown
Speaker 1: did not. Eventually, two alleged witnesses gave police a suspect,
Speaker 1: someone nicknamed Guns. On August thirtieth, a car was pulled
Speaker 1: over and two guns were found inside, along with a
Speaker 1: man who had an outstanding arrest warrant. His name was
Speaker 1: Frederick Willie Curse and his nickname was Guns. Even though
Speaker 1: Frederick claimed to have been in Boston on the day
Speaker 1: and time of the crime, he was identified by two
Speaker 1: alleged witnesses and a gun from the car was said
Speaker 1: to have matched ballistics from the crime scene. But this
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Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction. Today's case comes from an era when wrongful
Speaker 1: convictions were just an everyday occurrence in the borough of Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: East New York, specifically the Torrius seventy Precinct in New
Speaker 1: York City. And with us to tell it is the
Speaker 1: man himself, Frederick Willie Curse, who lived through this nightmare. Frederick,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here. I know you know a
Speaker 1: lot of guys who've been on the show already, and
Speaker 1: we need to continue to paint this picture of what
Speaker 1: was going on in Brooklyn in the nineties. So thanks
Speaker 1: for being here and sharing your story.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: And with him is his civil rights attorney Mark Cannon
Speaker 1: of Bell, doc Levigne and Hoffman. Mark. I think it's
Speaker 1: your first time on the show, so welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: By the way, while we're on the subject of the
Speaker 1: seventy fifth Precinct, this is not hyperbole to say they
Speaker 1: were one of the most corrupt in history. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's even a movie about them called The Seven Five
Speaker 1: that was released in twenty fourteen. So I encourage people
Speaker 1: to watch the movie to get some context on what
Speaker 1: was going on back then and why Frederick was doomed
Speaker 1: from the beginning.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And it was all about out closing
Speaker 3: cases back then. And you talked about the early nineties
Speaker 3: and the crack epidemic. But you know, Michael Race, who
Speaker 3: was a detective sergeant at the precinct around that time,
Speaker 3: admitted that over the seven hundred and fifty murder investigations
Speaker 3: that he supervised at the seventy fifth Precinct, only one
Speaker 3: was done correctly.
Speaker 1: Incredible. I mean, they were playing by their own set
Speaker 1: of rules, to say the least, and framing somebody was
Speaker 1: nothing to them. So, Frederick, before you got hit by
Speaker 1: this tornado of the seventy fifth Precinct, what was your
Speaker 1: life like? Did you grow up in Brooklyn?
Speaker 4: Yes, I was born and raised in East New York, Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Several years later I moved to bethhor Stuyvesant, the Massy Houses,
Speaker 4: and my family lived in Eastern York. So I used
Speaker 4: to always go and chill out with them over the
Speaker 4: summer and spend time with them over there, and I
Speaker 4: really played a lot of basketball and just tried to
Speaker 4: find my way through school. You know, I really didn't
Speaker 4: grab hold of the academic process when I was young
Speaker 4: for numerous reasons. I think one of the ones was
Speaker 4: how terrible the public schools were and weren't able to reach.
Speaker 2: Me where I was at.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, later on in life, while I was incarcerated, I
Speaker 4: found out that, you know, the way that I was
Speaker 4: so competitive in basketball, that I was able to apply
Speaker 4: that with anything that I can do. So that later
Speaker 4: propelled me to go and earn my ged and go
Speaker 4: to Bard College and you know, graduate from there.
Speaker 1: So it's sad to think of what could have been
Speaker 1: had Frederick not come of age during the crack epidemic
Speaker 1: in a historically poor area of New York where he
Speaker 1: was hustling in the streets, leading to a few related
Speaker 1: charges which he escaped by going on the lamb to Boston.
Speaker 4: Yes, I had a few drug chargers and a weapon charge.
Speaker 4: You know, this is where my level of thinking was.
Speaker 4: I was, you know, not understanding that the same energy
Speaker 4: I put into the streets and thinking negative, I could
Speaker 4: have did something positive.
Speaker 2: So that's how I was up in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, being caught up in crime can lead to
Speaker 4: being wrongfully convicted and accused of other things, you know,
Speaker 4: which is something I couldn't fathom because my mind didn't
Speaker 4: expand that far at the time, and I didn't understand
Speaker 4: the risks once you get into any type of criminal activity.
Speaker 4: So you know, that's how the Massachusettstate coming to play.
Speaker 4: But it helped in the case because I had an alibi.
Speaker 1: Frederick was in Boston on August sixth, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: when a drive by shooting occurred in East New York, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Nine one one calls reported a buick century that had
Speaker 1: been traveling north on Ashred Street and made a wide
Speaker 1: left turn onto Dumont Avenue, pulling up to a bodega
Speaker 1: on the northeast corner, and more than ten shots were fired,
Speaker 1: striking two young men. Ray Frasier was hitting the legs
Speaker 1: and survived, while Devon Brown was fatally shot in the
Speaker 1: torso and the vehicle finished the left turn fleeing west
Speaker 1: on Dumont. EMTs responded and took the victims to Brookdale Hospital,
Speaker 1: where Devon was pronounced dead.
Speaker 3: So police showed up pretty quickly and they immediately started
Speaker 3: canvassing for witnesses. Unsurprisingly, even though this was during the
Speaker 3: daytime in a somewhat populated neighborhood, there were no witnesses.
Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to talk to the police, you know, because
Speaker 3: that's generally not something people did. They send officers to
Speaker 3: the hospital. They talked to Ray. Ray says he couldn't
Speaker 3: see who shot at him, has no idea, doesn't know
Speaker 3: why they wanted to shoot him. And they talked to
Speaker 3: two women who we now know. One woman who is
Speaker 3: Devon's girlfriend at the time, Yolanda Pandler, also known as
Speaker 3: Barbara Garth. She told the officers that she was at
Speaker 3: Devon's house, which was about a half blocked down from
Speaker 3: the corner of Asher in Dumont. She heard shots fired
Speaker 3: and you know, saw people running, and she saw the
Speaker 3: car turn the corner, but she didn't see anything. They
Speaker 3: talked to Ray's girlfriend, he's also at the hospital. She
Speaker 3: pretty much sees the same thing. The car turned a corner.
Speaker 3: It's a green car, and that's about the only information
Speaker 3: she's able to provide.
Speaker 1: Another witness, Greg Maloney, had a similar initial account since
Speaker 1: he was also in front of Devon's house five point
Speaker 1: fifty five Asherd Street, which was about a football fields
Speaker 1: length north of the corner. Either of these witnesses could
Speaker 1: have made a reliable ID from that distance, leaving the
Speaker 1: police with little to go on. Meanwhile, Devon's family and
Speaker 1: friends had their own ideas about who the shooter was.
Speaker 3: One of the names that kept coming up was this
Speaker 3: person known as Guns because Guns and Devon's supposedly they
Speaker 3: had known each other and been friendly at one point,
Speaker 3: but the relationships supposedly went sour, and that's what people suspected.
Speaker 3: So the police pick up the rumor that people think
Speaker 3: Guns did it, and Greg Maloney, he actually was probably
Speaker 3: pointed out to the police by members of Devon's family
Speaker 3: because people knew he was kind of a pushover. The
Speaker 3: police go to him, they ask him, do you know
Speaker 3: who Guns is? He's like, yeah, I know who Guns is.
Speaker 3: Did you see who did shooting?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: In the coughs tell them, well, if you saw the shooter,
Speaker 3: you saw Guns, because at that point they were going
Speaker 3: to take the position that Guns was the person who
Speaker 3: did it. Although even though they didn't have a witness,
Speaker 3: and they give him a story about why Guns is
Speaker 3: a bad person, and they think he's involved in other
Speaker 3: misconduct that's going on in the neighborhood, and you know,
Speaker 3: they want to make an example of him. They wanted
Speaker 3: to get him up the street. They didn't have to
Speaker 3: hold anything specific over his head. They basically threatened that
Speaker 3: they would arrest him and he would be deported, trying
Speaker 3: to pressure Greg into helping him. Greg eventually gives a
Speaker 3: statement basically describes what he saw, but he places Guns
Speaker 3: as the shooter, even though he didn't actually see that.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, this important context around Greg Maloney, as well as
Speaker 1: the initial police reports from the interviews at the hospital
Speaker 1: with Barbara Garth, were not discovered until the reinvestigation of
Speaker 1: this case and Maloney's eventual recantation. But back in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three, Greg Maloney and Barbara Garth were convinced to
Speaker 1: give statements identifying the shooter as a guy nicknamed Guns,
Speaker 1: which coincidentally was very similar to Frederick's nickname.
Speaker 2: My name is Guns U n ce.
Speaker 4: It always got misinterpreted as Guns, but you know, there
Speaker 4: was other people in the neighborhood also known as guns,
Speaker 4: So you know, that's what they used to call me
Speaker 4: and I on fortunately never really corrected it as being
Speaker 4: guns instead of guns.
Speaker 1: So where does guns come from?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in the South.
Speaker 4: My grandmother gave me that name, so I never really
Speaker 4: asked her what it meant, you know, question, Grandma, did
Speaker 4: you just go with the nickname and be thankful that
Speaker 4: she holds you on a specially little nickname category.
Speaker 1: While the police were focused on the guns rumor, Frederick
Speaker 1: came back into town from Boston on August thirtieth to
Speaker 1: visit with family, traveling with three others in a white
Speaker 1: convertible with Massachusetts plates, and it appears that they were
Speaker 1: pulled over without any cause.
Speaker 3: What I suspect is that they profiled the card is
Speaker 3: convertible with Massachusetts plates. Two women in the front, two
Speaker 3: guys in the back.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, two people who are carrying weapons. I didn't have
Speaker 4: no WEP anything on me.
Speaker 3: And so the two women, one of whom was a
Speaker 3: former parole officer who had ability to have the gun
Speaker 3: on her, and this other woman who I don't know,
Speaker 3: but you know, they pulled the car over. There's people
Speaker 3: with guns on it, so.
Speaker 1: They ran everyone's IDs, which revealed Frederick's outstanding arrest.
Speaker 3: When he's being brought to the precinct, there's another woman there,
Speaker 3: Darlene Cook. She recognizes Frederick and says, hey, guns. And
Speaker 3: when she did that, obviously the detectives realized this is
Speaker 3: the person who they'd been hearing about the name that
Speaker 3: they'd been looking for.
Speaker 1: And since it appears that this stop and search was
Speaker 1: done without cause but had turned up these weapons and
Speaker 1: arrest warrant, the police were in a little bit of
Speaker 1: a civil rights pickle.
Speaker 3: I think they profiled the car they stopped and then
Speaker 3: created the justification. Afterwards, they got this person, Darlene Cook,
Speaker 3: to say, this convertible with Massachusetts plates pointed a gun
Speaker 3: at me and threatened me. That's what I suspect.
Speaker 1: It's quite strange that charges related to those allegations from
Speaker 1: Darlene Cook never materialized. However, Frederick was already facing plenty,
Speaker 1: starting with the prior charges that he evaded by moving
Speaker 1: to Boston.
Speaker 4: I take full responsibility for my actions dealing with that.
Speaker 4: I ended up getting sentenced to two one to three
Speaker 4: years sentences running consecutively, which was two to six years
Speaker 4: far as in this case, I had no idea that
Speaker 4: I was even a suspect until I got to the precinct.
Speaker 4: You know, then they put me in a lineup and
Speaker 4: told me everything.
Speaker 1: By this time, police had found another witness named Carmen Torado, who,
Speaker 1: unlike Barbara Garth and Greg Maloney, had said that she
Speaker 1: could reliably identify the shooter. Yet during this lineup, Torodo
Speaker 1: identify someone else, while Garth and Maloney idd Frederick, who
Speaker 1: was now facing murder and attempted murder while serving two
Speaker 1: to six years for his priors.
Speaker 4: So I ended up going back and forth from rackets
Speaker 4: backup state fighting the murder charge here from ninety three
Speaker 4: to nineteen ninety five. Like every time, if they post
Speaker 4: formed my court date for like any more than two weeks,
Speaker 4: they would send me back up state.
Speaker 2: And I'll be going back and forth. You know.
Speaker 4: I had no real communication with my attorney, you know,
Speaker 4: he would not come visit me. I felt like I
Speaker 4: would get off only because I know I didn't do it.
Speaker 2: That's all that was on my mind. You know.
Speaker 4: It was so much violence. Multiple people were getting killed
Speaker 4: and stabbed. More because I've seen so many horrific situations
Speaker 4: myself have to add I did get cut on Rockets
Speaker 4: Island too. Be honest, I don't know how I got
Speaker 4: through it.
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Speaker 1: While communication was strained with his assigned counsel, Stephen Chakin,
Speaker 1: they were able to find one of his roommates outside
Speaker 1: Boston to testify on his behalf at trial in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five.
Speaker 3: Here's how to alibi witness a woman he was living with.
Speaker 3: It was actually Springfield Massachusetts at the time. She didn't
Speaker 3: remember the exact day, but testified how they lived together
Speaker 3: and usually had dinner together during that time.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of things that couldn't be recalled
Speaker 4: from her with the timings and all that, I think
Speaker 4: got misconstrued and made it a little bit more harder
Speaker 4: for the jury and the court to believe that I
Speaker 4: was not actually in New York when his crime happened.
Speaker 4: That's basically all I had was the alibi, and I
Speaker 4: thought that's really all I needed, but.
Speaker 3: That was not enough to counteract to other evidence against him.
Speaker 1: The state presented Barbara Garth and Craig Maloney, whose testimonies
Speaker 1: were stark departure from their initial statements in which they
Speaker 1: could not make an id, but now they were both
Speaker 1: certain that Frederick was the shooter.
Speaker 3: Greg described this car slowly coming down Ashford and around Dumont,
Speaker 3: where somebody came out of the car and started shooting,
Speaker 3: whereas Barbara Garth had a much more dramatic story and
Speaker 3: she claims she saw Kierris driving the car before the shooting,
Speaker 3: and then she claims she was coming down Dumont, approaching
Speaker 3: Devon and Ray as they came out of this bodega,
Speaker 3: and she was waving to them, and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden she sees this car with Kars in. It comes
Speaker 3: around and actually runs sint to Ray. She says, it
Speaker 3: knocks him onto the sidewalk, and then she says Kirs
Speaker 3: comes out and starts shooting at Devon and Ray before
Speaker 3: taking off. And then she claimed she runs to Devon
Speaker 3: and you know, says I love you, and he says
Speaker 3: I love you, and he squeezes her hand and his
Speaker 3: eyes roll over.
Speaker 1: Barbara Garth also testified that even though she allegedly already
Speaker 1: knew it was Frederick, while Devon Brown was dying in
Speaker 1: her arms, she claimed to have asked him if he
Speaker 1: knew who had shot him, quote, to see if he
Speaker 1: would lie end quote, which sounds just like cop logic
Speaker 1: to establish an id untainted by suggestion, not the logic
Speaker 1: of assumed to be grief stricken girlfriend. Either way, Barbara
Speaker 1: Garth was completely absent from Greg Maloney's version of events,
Speaker 1: which is a jarring inconsistency.
Speaker 3: Even though they had these inconsistent stories, they also had
Speaker 3: the gun that was recovered from the woman who was
Speaker 3: driving the car that Cures got picked up in a
Speaker 3: month later, August thirtieth. It's a ballistics expert testify that
Speaker 3: he examined the ballistics evidence. The ammunition casings recovered from
Speaker 3: the crime scene compared to two a bullet shot out
Speaker 3: of the gun recovered from this woman who was driving
Speaker 3: a car that Kirs was in on August thirtieth, and
Speaker 3: they said it's the same gun, and Curius's defense counsel
Speaker 3: he didn't challenge that claim.
Speaker 1: You can listen to our coverage of ballistics evidence on
Speaker 1: Wromful Conviction Junk Science, in which you'll find that the
Speaker 1: ballistics analysis can really only be useful in ruling out
Speaker 1: a weapon, but you can not identify a weapon to
Speaker 1: the exclusion of all others. That's exactly what was done here.
Speaker 3: The nypdalistics expert testified that scientifically it was a perfect match,
Speaker 3: and that's impossible. My impression is that the defense council
Speaker 3: didn't even look at the ballistics evidence. The only thing
Speaker 3: he did to challenge it was to say, well, maybe
Speaker 3: the bullets were there before the shooting, which of course
Speaker 3: is not a strong defense.
Speaker 1: And the jury goes out, how long did they.
Speaker 2: Deliberate for wow?
Speaker 4: I think for like a day and a half because
Speaker 4: I had to come back, and it was a lot
Speaker 4: of readbacks with them asking for clarification with certain contradictions
Speaker 4: that was with the witness's statements.
Speaker 1: And by the way, more power to them, because after
Speaker 1: two or three weeks of a bunch of bullshit, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been surprising to me if you would have
Speaker 1: said they deliberated for an hour, came back and said
Speaker 1: guilty and now we're going home. That's not what they did.
Speaker 1: So they had questions, they had doubts, but ultimately they
Speaker 1: sentenced you to twenty years to life for the murder,
Speaker 1: eight and the third years to twenty five for attempted murder,
Speaker 1: five to fifteen for the possession of the weapon, and
Speaker 1: two in a third to seven for the assault. All
Speaker 1: three served consecutively to the twenty of the life.
Speaker 4: You know, my family was in the courtroom when they
Speaker 4: came back with a guilty verdict, and I can still
Speaker 4: hear my sister screaming inside the courtroom, and to me,
Speaker 4: everything seemed like the courtroom just was drinking.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to get out of there. It felt
Speaker 4: like everything was collapsing on me and I couldn't really
Speaker 4: believe it. That's just something that continuously to this day
Speaker 4: I go through as I think about those moments at
Speaker 4: a fourth and fifth grade reading level at the time.
Speaker 4: So that was very hard for me, and I think
Speaker 4: kind of maybe prolong my stay in prison because after
Speaker 4: I did get educated, I put my bunk, so to speak,
Speaker 4: inside the law library and started studying and writing everybody
Speaker 4: in the country for assistance.
Speaker 1: So you put your buff inside the law library. I
Speaker 1: never heard that before.
Speaker 4: That's what we used to say, like you live in
Speaker 4: a law library when you're trying to get some type
Speaker 4: of resolve. So I just was there every day in
Speaker 4: so many where I was just trying to say that.
Speaker 1: So who somebody must have helped you because you come
Speaker 1: in there, you know you have a fourth fifth grade
Speaker 1: reading level. Did you have a mentor in there who
Speaker 1: was able to help you persevere and find a way
Speaker 1: out of this mess?
Speaker 4: Yes, I had quite a few people that and I
Speaker 4: used to work in a messoor. So was this brother
Speaker 4: there by the name of Alame And he was very
Speaker 4: good at the law and he used to help me
Speaker 4: a lot. And I think that's what he taught me most,
Speaker 4: just to write and how to write the cause for
Speaker 4: a request or whatever, try to get some type of
Speaker 4: corresponse going on with the attorney, mister Chakin, that never
Speaker 4: wrote me back in the whole twenty eight years. But
Speaker 4: yes I had a lot of help in that regard.
Speaker 4: But the almost hope I got was just understand that
Speaker 4: I didn't do the crime and that I was not
Speaker 4: going to stop until I got some type of answers.
Speaker 4: Fortunately I ended up in a prison, Kaksaki Correction facility.
Speaker 4: And again the name gun Sa was my gift at
Speaker 4: this point because someone was in a few sales down
Speaker 4: for me. They heard the name and then they were
Speaker 4: the porter on the block and came out and started
Speaker 4: asking me who I am, where I'm from. And long
Speaker 4: story short, that person knew the witness that testified against me.
Speaker 1: And this man's name is Gavin Johnson.
Speaker 3: So Gavin Johnson lived a couple of houses down from
Speaker 3: Devon Brown and he was actually at home on Ashfrid
Speaker 3: Street at the time of the murders. He recalled hearing
Speaker 3: the shooting and then running outside and running up the
Speaker 3: street to see what happened and seeing that Devon got shot.
Speaker 3: So when he came across Frederick in Koksaki. He was
Speaker 3: shocked to find out that one of the witnesses he
Speaker 3: testified against him was Greg Maloney because he knew that
Speaker 3: Greg Maloney had never said anything about knowing who the
Speaker 3: murderer was of Devon Brown.
Speaker 4: And after that, you know, he just was really willing
Speaker 4: to try to get alone to talk to my lawyer.
Speaker 3: First, well, the witness, Greg Bloney didn't want to get
Speaker 3: in trouble himself and say, you know, I perjured myself
Speaker 3: at trial, and he wanted to wait for the statue
Speaker 3: limitations to run out. When that finally happened and Frederick
Speaker 3: finally got Craig to give him a statement in two thousand,
Speaker 3: he immediately gets I think it was a legal aid
Speaker 3: lawyer involved to try to help him with the four
Speaker 3: forty And that whole process ends up taking several more
Speaker 3: years while the lawyer's trying to develop the case and
Speaker 3: they don't think this one recantation is enough. They think
Speaker 3: they need the other witness to recant as well. It's
Speaker 3: not till two thousand and seven that Frederick uses his
Speaker 3: recantation in one of his pro say four forty is
Speaker 3: the judge is like, well, why did you take so long,
Speaker 3: this is incredible and just throws it out.
Speaker 2: They rejected my motion.
Speaker 4: From then on, I just started writing law clinics and
Speaker 4: actual innocent projects and mister Myra Bell doc Ronald QB.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wrote Everybody and a Mother trying to
Speaker 2: act for some help.
Speaker 4: Then at twenty fifteen, I was fortunate to write May
Speaker 4: Rest a Peace mister maer Beldock, based on another case
Speaker 4: People Versus wag Staff that he did that also involved
Speaker 4: the seventy fifth Precinct, because I knew that he was
Speaker 4: skilled with the seventy fifth Precinct and knew about their
Speaker 4: tricks of making it a pay as if witnesses were
Speaker 4: at crime scenes and were not.
Speaker 1: And Myron Belldock was of course one of the named
Speaker 1: partners from Marx firm Belldoc Levine and Hoffman. And you
Speaker 1: can hear more about his work in our interview with
Speaker 1: Evertt and Wagstaff that will be linked in the episode description.
Speaker 3: You know, Myron Belldock actually read every letter he got
Speaker 3: from a prisoner at the end of his life. That
Speaker 3: was like one of his biggest concerns is that, you know,
Speaker 3: the letters from prisoners were piling up in his mailbox,
Speaker 3: but he read Frederick's letter, so he gave the case
Speaker 3: to another lawyer, Keith Shapanski, who started investigating it. He
Speaker 3: found another witness who was actually Gavin Johnson's brother, Donald,
Speaker 3: who was a heaty corner I think to where the
Speaker 3: badega that Devon and Ray came out of at the
Speaker 3: time the murder took place, and so he witnessed it,
Speaker 3: and he couldn't identify who did the murder, but he
Speaker 3: knows that Greg was not on the opposite corner at
Speaker 3: the time of the shooting. And he also knows that
Speaker 3: Barbara Garth was not across the street on Dumont Avenue
Speaker 3: approaching the corner at the time of the shooting. That
Speaker 3: he knows those people were down the block because he
Speaker 3: had just come from down the block.
Speaker 1: And so this became the foundation of a new four
Speaker 1: to forty motion, along with the false expert ballistics testimony.
Speaker 3: By the time the case came to me, I hired
Speaker 3: an expert to point out the problems with the ballistic
Speaker 3: evidence he used to convict Frederick, but we needed more
Speaker 3: to knock out the other witness, Barbara Gareth. We were
Speaker 3: never able to find. But there are two other important
Speaker 3: pieces of evidence that we were able to get through
Speaker 3: FOIL requests. First, the DD fives from the hospital. Frederick
Speaker 3: got the file from his lawyer and he only had
Speaker 3: redacted copies that didn't identify who it was that the
Speaker 3: police interviewed at the hospital, and I thought one of
Speaker 3: them had to be Barbara Garth. But I was able
Speaker 3: to finally get the file from the NYPD. They gave
Speaker 3: me an unredacted copy that showed that Barbara Garth was
Speaker 3: the person saying right after the shooting that she was
Speaker 3: in front of five five five Ashford Street when the
Speaker 3: shooting took place, not right near the corner of the shooting,
Speaker 3: which is what she testified to. So that's the significant
Speaker 3: Brady violation because she was giving false testimony. There's one
Speaker 3: other important piece of information we're still actually putting the
Speaker 3: finishing touches on, but basically there was this practice that
Speaker 3: District Attorney's offices were engaging in. If a witness wasn't cooperating,
Speaker 3: they would get a material witness warrant. Normally, you're supposed
Speaker 3: to bring in the witness before a judge and so
Speaker 3: they can tell the judge why they didn't want to
Speaker 3: testify and either they'll hold them or they won't. But
Speaker 3: they did get a material warrant for Barbara Garth to
Speaker 3: testify against Frederick at trial, and they told the judge
Speaker 3: it was a misunderstanding. She was actually happy to testify. Therefore,
Speaker 3: you can just vacate the warrant and she testified a trial.
Speaker 3: But we're just getting the evidence to bear this out.
Speaker 3: We believe that they held her at a hotel under
Speaker 3: lock and key until she provided the testimony that they wanted,
Speaker 3: and then she was released. So that piece of information,
Speaker 3: combined with the D five showing she testified falsely about
Speaker 3: where she was, knocks out her as a witness. Then
Speaker 3: it resuscitates the reliability of Greg maloney recantation, which is
Speaker 3: also resuscitated by Don Johnson's testimony. And then we have
Speaker 3: the expert who will testify about babailistics. Evidence that gives
Speaker 3: us I think a very strong case to bring to
Speaker 3: the Conviction Integrity Unit.
Speaker 1: So despite debunking the state's case both allegedi witnesses and
Speaker 1: the junk science, Frederick has not been exonerated. Rather, after
Speaker 1: serving twenty eight years and four months, he went in
Speaker 1: front of the Parole Board for the very first time.
Speaker 1: In early twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: One, I was denied actually as a result of the
Speaker 4: opposition letter that was written years ago by formal District
Speaker 4: Attorney Charles Hines. He had impermitted that policy where they
Speaker 4: would write an opposition letter when you get convicted and sentenced,
Speaker 4: and thirty years later they still can use that opposition
Speaker 4: letter against you. However, again me reading and studying the
Speaker 4: law and trying to make a case for myself, I
Speaker 4: learned that current District Attorney Eric Gonzalez put together a
Speaker 4: memo that states that he's no longer using those opposition
Speaker 4: letters that were written decades ago.
Speaker 3: I have to give credit to this organization called the
Speaker 3: Parole Prep Projects who helped Frederick quit his prole application.
Speaker 3: And then they went to the King's County District Attorney's office,
Speaker 3: explains Frederick's situation, how he got convicted at the young
Speaker 3: age drug crime, et cetera. And they got the district
Speaker 3: attorney to write a letter on Frederick's behalf saying that
Speaker 3: they would not oppose him being released on parole because
Speaker 3: he'd been in jail so long from a young age
Speaker 3: for a drug crime. And I think that was like
Speaker 3: a major piece of why he was able to get
Speaker 3: parole without admitting wrongdoing.
Speaker 4: Six months later, I got released into SEMBEL twenty twenty one. Honestly,
Speaker 4: it was great, you know, because I had a family
Speaker 4: to come home to. Thankfully, my mom is still alive.
Speaker 4: She's eighty one. You know, I'm with her now in
Speaker 4: a home. You know, I missed all those years of
Speaker 4: my daughter life. She's thirty three now. So the freedom,
Speaker 4: of course is great. You know, I have the chance
Speaker 4: to do for myself and be responsible and show my
Speaker 4: parents and my family that I'm not this convicted killer
Speaker 4: that you know I was portrayed to be. And you know,
Speaker 4: the whole parole process is very difficult because they come
Speaker 4: up to your house six o'clock in the morning, you know,
Speaker 4: guns out, and whole neighborhood know you on parole, and
Speaker 4: then I have to report there, which is similar to
Speaker 4: going back in prison. You know, the whole process just
Speaker 4: keeps reoccurring and you got to experience it all over again.
Speaker 4: And of course, when I first got home, I got
Speaker 4: denied the partner of education job as a result of
Speaker 4: my criminal record, despite you know, I had a degree.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's been very hard. But again Parole
Speaker 4: Preparation Project has supported me. Currently, I'm an employee at
Speaker 4: the pro Reparation Project. You know, I'm a co founder
Speaker 4: of my archive based Creative Art program with them, so
Speaker 4: you know, they've been very instrumental and helping me prepare
Speaker 4: for the parole board in addition to transition it out here,
Speaker 4: you know, to take care of myself. So it's been hard,
Speaker 4: but I am very fortunate. When you look at so
Speaker 4: many others that don't have the opportunities that I have.
Speaker 4: It's very difficult, and I just hope that I have
Speaker 4: a day where I could get some justice due to
Speaker 4: all this work I put in and all the people
Speaker 4: that supported me, you know, just prove my innocence. I
Speaker 4: just really pray that it's something some resolve that I
Speaker 4: can get with.
Speaker 1: How thoroughly this case has been dismantled, the Brooklyn DA's
Speaker 1: office will surely find it difficult to say that this
Speaker 1: conviction has any integrity. But in the meantime, we're going
Speaker 1: to link to your work with the Archive Based Creative
Speaker 1: Arts Project as well as the Parole prep Project, and
Speaker 1: perhaps our audience will be moved to get involved. And
Speaker 1: with that we're going to go to closing arguments. Mark
Speaker 1: and Frederick, thank you so much for being here. And
Speaker 1: I'm now going to turn my microphone off and kick
Speaker 1: back in my chair and just listen to anything else
Speaker 1: you want to share. So Mark, you start it off,
Speaker 1: and then just hand the mic off to Frederick and
Speaker 1: he'll take us off into the sunset.
Speaker 3: The thing that's so striking about this case is that
Speaker 3: Willy should never have been convicted, and a large part
Speaker 3: of why he did get wrongfully convicted in state in
Speaker 3: jail for the twenty eight years is because he never
Speaker 3: got the representation he should have, and it just seemed
Speaker 3: like one disservice after another, until finally, when he came
Speaker 3: up for parole, he had these law school volunteers take
Speaker 3: up his cause and actually zealously work to help get
Speaker 3: him released on parole. And I think that was the
Speaker 3: first time I write the system started working for him,
Speaker 3: and I will hopefully get the system to do the
Speaker 3: right thing and vacate his conviction. And I'm also I
Speaker 3: guess want to say how impressed I am with Frederick
Speaker 3: and with the great attitude he maintains despite what he's
Speaker 3: been through. You know, whenever I called him when he
Speaker 3: was on the inside. I was just always just really
Speaker 3: taken with that the system hadn't broken him, and that
Speaker 3: he had such a hope and a reverence for life,
Speaker 3: and that he faces great adversity and comes out like
Speaker 3: an even stronger, better person and is helping others. So
Speaker 3: that's really a testament to Frederick's character.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark. You know, I understand my history.
Speaker 4: I understand what black people have went through in this country,
Speaker 4: So you know, I understand it's not really personal. You know,
Speaker 4: it's a stemic and the only way to address it
Speaker 4: is having opportunities like you're giving me now, you know,
Speaker 4: start making this information known and telling our stories. Right,
Speaker 4: A lot happened to me in that place. You know
Speaker 4: that I probably am still trying to understand, you know,
Speaker 4: far as trauma wise. I can stay here all day
Speaker 4: and you know, express the pains that happened to me,
Speaker 4: but that isn't going to get me nowhere. I have
Speaker 4: to stay level minded, focus and realize that it's a bigger.
Speaker 2: Issue going on with the whole system, and it's not
Speaker 2: just me.
Speaker 4: I've stood on the premise of I did not do
Speaker 4: this crime, and so many people I was with went
Speaker 4: through the same thing. I understand it, you know, I
Speaker 4: understand it from a different lens, from a historical perspective
Speaker 4: and from a systemic perspective. To this day, it's truly
Speaker 4: sad for the racial disparity to be so bad with
Speaker 4: people of color and being wrong for your victim. And
Speaker 4: I don't like to just look at it like everything
Speaker 4: is bad. This is why I maintained my hope. This
Speaker 4: is why I refuse to let a few people that
Speaker 4: was in the system that did me wrong just dominate
Speaker 4: the whole system and look at it like, you know,
Speaker 4: everything and everyone is bad. I have to keep a
Speaker 4: level of mind to expose this system as much as
Speaker 4: I can. Here's what needs to be done, and use
Speaker 4: the things that exactly happen to me inside the trial
Speaker 4: and the system that are still going on in the
Speaker 4: system today that I would like to set a precedent with.
Speaker 2: So again, thank you so much for this opportunity.
Speaker 4: I look forward to doing whatever I can to continue
Speaker 4: to expose this system.
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