Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the
Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas, coming to.
Speaker 2: You, not the same, coming to you, different, coming to
Speaker 2: you changed. Well, not me, not me, just Chris.
Speaker 1: Is anybody else in a relationship like this where if
Speaker 1: you and it's obviously guys, the woman dictates your facial hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. I have no problem with that. But
Speaker 1: like I spent the majority of my life very cleanly shaven.
Speaker 1: Obviously as you knew me on The Bachelor, Bacherette Paradise,
Speaker 1: all those shows I hosted for so many years, I
Speaker 1: was cleanly shaven. One time, during Winter Games, I had
Speaker 1: scruff and it was and it broke the internet like that,
Speaker 1: you would have thought I shook up the world.
Speaker 2: And so let me tell you something that I don't
Speaker 2: mean in a mean way. Yeah, first time I found
Speaker 2: you attractive.
Speaker 1: That is when we did an interview.
Speaker 2: It's the first time we flirted.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: So don't deny the power of the scruff. So i've it,
Speaker 2: But actually I don't remember doing that. People were responding
Speaker 2: on the internet.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so okay, So I've been cleanly shaven always.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. With the advent of HDTV high
Speaker 1: definition camera, everything gets pixelated apart. I mean you can
Speaker 1: see everything. I have a salt and pepper beard.
Speaker 2: It's not very incredibly sexy. I don't know why you're
Speaker 2: saying it with that tone. I don't mind that a
Speaker 2: negative connotation to it.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty two years old. I have gray hair on
Speaker 1: my sideburns. I have gray and my beard. I have
Speaker 1: no problem with it, but it doesn't look great sometimes
Speaker 1: on television because it's just kind of splotchy, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't look as uniform as say, back in the old
Speaker 1: days when we were low definition, everything just kind of
Speaker 1: blended together. So anyway, that's why I never really wore scruff.
Speaker 1: I have nothing against it, but it is funny now
Speaker 1: that we think about it. I did Bachelor Winter Games.
Speaker 1: He was freezing there in Vermont, and I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, screw it, I'm gonna do something different. Let
Speaker 1: my facial hair grow. And that is when Lauren Zema
Speaker 1: came to Vermont and you interviewed me in that hotel
Speaker 1: room and we were flirty. That's when you asked if
Speaker 1: I was dating somebody first time.
Speaker 2: We were just a little bit flirty.
Speaker 1: You go, you asked me in that day.
Speaker 2: Listen, We've had this has been a debate for some time.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing we I was only asking you if
Speaker 2: you were dating someone, because truly someone, like at entertainment tonight,
Speaker 2: we would have like different people would have different sources
Speaker 2: and informants. And I don't know who it was, but
Speaker 2: someone had told one of our newsdesk people that you
Speaker 2: were dating someone. So they told me, Lauren, when you
Speaker 2: go to these Winter Games interviews, you have to this.
Speaker 2: It would be called a must ask. We had must
Speaker 2: ask questions for different interviews. Oh really, yes, we had
Speaker 2: to ask this part of our job. That's why I've
Speaker 2: had to add ask a lot of uncomfortable questions over
Speaker 2: the years that I didn't necessarily feel great about.
Speaker 1: So I was on the must ask list.
Speaker 2: It was a must ask that we had to ask.
Speaker 2: I had to ask if you were dating someone.
Speaker 1: And I had been not too long ago, but had.
Speaker 2: Been still our informant was right, they were.
Speaker 1: Probably right at the time, had but I was very single.
Speaker 1: And what was interesting when you asked that question, I
Speaker 1: felt like maybe we got a little flirty.
Speaker 2: I think it were in the interview. Well, I've never
Speaker 2: asked you this. Did it become a little like I
Speaker 2: didn't feel it was flirting in that moment, but I
Speaker 2: did feel your energy shift. Did your energy shift because
Speaker 2: you thought I was flirting with you? Probably, I'm just
Speaker 2: realizing that's what happened.
Speaker 1: I probably thought, okay.
Speaker 2: Thought I was hitting on you by asking that, by
Speaker 2: doing my job.
Speaker 1: By asking the must ask, and it was just a
Speaker 1: must ask.
Speaker 2: And this is these are the situations I was thrown
Speaker 2: in as a journalist. It was not easy all the time,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. By the way, in no way was
Speaker 1: I inappropriate.
Speaker 2: In the no, no no. But that's that's what would happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, now I could go off on a whole
Speaker 2: other tangent, but yeah, that was a struggle of the job.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you are asking these questions as yourself, right me,
Speaker 2: as Lauren Zema. I'm not an actor playing a part.
Speaker 2: I'm having to be Lauren Zema. But I am in
Speaker 2: some ways playing a part because I'm having to ask
Speaker 2: questions that I would not normally ask as Lawrence.
Speaker 1: And yet if you faceive questions, flash forward do Bachelor
Speaker 1: Paradise in our interview there.
Speaker 2: Well, there, we actually florided for the first.
Speaker 1: I was definitely flirting with you there.
Speaker 2: It was confirmed. Okay, we're going off a tangent because
Speaker 2: the real the reason we are here today is we
Speaker 2: are opening up the playbook on facial hair, on why
Speaker 2: women or anybody partners sometimes have a reaction when their
Speaker 2: partner shaves, and who gets to make the call on
Speaker 2: their partner's facial hair? What is okay do you? Let's
Speaker 2: get right into a babe. So Chris has shaved.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was shooting something the other day and needed
Speaker 1: to shave for it. At least I felt like I
Speaker 1: needed to shave for it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because you know, we could really get
Speaker 2: into the psyche cosis on this. Like you just said,
Speaker 2: you've spent twenty years on Bachelor and Bachelorette unshaven.
Speaker 1: So you were filmed a millionaire Miss America, everything I hosted.
Speaker 1: I never had facial hair.
Speaker 2: So you were filming something and you asked me what
Speaker 2: you should do and I said, well, babe, do what
Speaker 2: makes you feel most confident. And I do think that's
Speaker 2: where you feel most confident. Now, why do you think
Speaker 2: that is. Is it because you were clean shaven for
Speaker 2: so long? Is it because you didn't love maybe years ago.
Speaker 2: I think you've changed now, but you didn't love that
Speaker 2: the beard was little gray. What is it?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think it's just a habit.
Speaker 1: It's just something I started doing the day, you know,
Speaker 1: I graduated and got a job on television in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: I never I always shave.
Speaker 2: So is it a little bit part of your armor?
Speaker 1: Like sometimes, like I used to say, I'm getting into character,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd go get go get dressed, and I'd
Speaker 1: put on my suit and tie. I would shave totally
Speaker 1: that part of my thing.
Speaker 2: I think women understand that a lot. As much as
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to ever be defined by looks alone,
Speaker 2: there's something about the armor of putting on makeup or
Speaker 2: doing your hair, or putting on a certain outfit where
Speaker 2: you feel confident and comfortable in a situation.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's maybe maybe that this is
Speaker 1: the old school side of me. It's a little sloppy
Speaker 1: and a little disrespectful.
Speaker 2: I totally was going to say that, I think it is.
Speaker 2: You can be a little traditional, like Chris does not
Speaker 2: like and this could be a whole other playbook a
Speaker 2: week ago.
Speaker 1: We can dabble in this too. Because this I am
Speaker 1: firm on this.
Speaker 2: He doesn't love when men wear baseball caps and nice restaurants.
Speaker 2: He doesn't love it in church. And that's that old
Speaker 2: school Texas part of you.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when people wear hats inside period you'
Speaker 1: it's like part of an outfil I can ease up,
Speaker 1: like you know, look you're wearing a cowboy hat or whatever.
Speaker 1: There's certain times where it's part of your outfit. I
Speaker 1: get it. And by the way, I'm talking about men,
Speaker 1: I am not talking about women. I think women are
Speaker 1: exempt from all these rules. You can shave your face,
Speaker 1: you cannot shave your hat. I don't care. But for men,
Speaker 1: I definitely, first of all, wearing a hat backwards zero.
Speaker 1: Wearing a hat indoors, especially a baseball hat. No, take
Speaker 1: it off. Immediately take it off.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, let me ask a question that's going to
Speaker 2: go to the oldest of the old schools. Yes, because
Speaker 2: it's something I've also never understood about, like like different
Speaker 2: literally schools will have this in their dress code about
Speaker 2: hair and facial ironed beards. Our main man, Jesus long hair,
Speaker 2: facial hair depicted in many of the drawings of him, Moses,
Speaker 2: pretty good man, all all the all the old bros.
Speaker 2: So why do we have an issue with beards?
Speaker 1: I feel like the razor has really come a long
Speaker 1: way since before Christ. The BC razor was not great.
Speaker 1: Now the bron Is really brought.
Speaker 2: Us something, but it was okay for them, So why
Speaker 2: is it considered unkempt.
Speaker 1: I think it can look great. I think a nice
Speaker 1: trimmed beard looks fantastic. Facial hair doesn't bother me. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's people look unkempt. I get it the beard.
Speaker 1: The I've never been a mustache guy. Some people can
Speaker 1: pull that.
Speaker 2: I cannot picture you with a mustache.
Speaker 1: No Travil Kelsey rocking the mustache right, and the mustache.
Speaker 2: Has been coming back since the Top Gun sequel, and
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Think it should really. I get that pilots have a mustache.
Speaker 1: Peter Webber and I talked about this years ago. They
Speaker 1: because you can't have a beard, because if you put
Speaker 1: on an oxygen mask in the cockpit, it has to
Speaker 1: adhere to your face. The only thing you can have
Speaker 1: is a mustache. So that's what Most pilots will just
Speaker 1: have a mustache.
Speaker 2: I've never kissed a man with a sizeable mustache. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that's like someone who has Please DM me.
Speaker 2: I'm interested as Taylor Swift bab.
Speaker 1: We don't know it's true. I don't know if they've kissed.
Speaker 1: But this came up because Ai shaved and even our
Speaker 1: producer kindle as I got.
Speaker 2: On the Yes, Kennell, please tell us what your thought was.
Speaker 2: Chris gets on the zoom and you didn't know he'd shaved,
Speaker 2: of course, and he has a clean face. Please give
Speaker 2: us your reaction.
Speaker 1: Reenact what did you say today?
Speaker 2: I mean I was like, you look a little bit different?
Speaker 2: Did you shave? And yep, But it's a nice version
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Kendall.
Speaker 2: I think I think when she texted me, I'm going
Speaker 2: to call you out. She texted I was like, Chris,
Speaker 2: what did you do to your face? You hate when
Speaker 2: your boyfriend does it? Why do you hate it?
Speaker 1: Easton our other producer are It's just said I thought
Speaker 1: Chris had a filter on.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting they only know you with the beard.
Speaker 2: Seek is now post Bachelor, post TV life, You've.
Speaker 1: Been clo so everybody can get a good look, and
Speaker 1: you've cleanly shaven.
Speaker 2: I am, you've been very bearded since they've known you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, you know, since we since I left
Speaker 1: the show. I don't think I've been cleanly shaven since
Speaker 1: I left the show.
Speaker 2: And is that because I demanded?
Speaker 1: That's because you like it and I haven't. I haven't
Speaker 1: needed to shave.
Speaker 2: Do you sometimes wish you could shave? Because I do
Speaker 2: get upset if you shave?
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I mean, if she gets there is a visceral reaction
Speaker 1: in the other.
Speaker 2: I'm like the little kid. If you've ever seen those
Speaker 2: viral videos where a baby like a dad shaves and
Speaker 2: a baby's starts crying because I don't even recognize this person.
Speaker 1: Happens if I shave. Lauren will say, as if she's
Speaker 1: trying to convince herself I still love you. I did,
Speaker 1: he was, and I say, I still love you, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you convincing yourself that we are still
Speaker 1: in love because I shave?
Speaker 2: Okay, which by the way, is so horrible because I
Speaker 2: then asked you, I said, what's the equivalent for you?
Speaker 2: Because I had to tell you if you well, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you told me. For example, if you said,
Speaker 2: like if I said I'm thinking about cutting my hair
Speaker 2: really short and you said, I don't know, I love
Speaker 2: your long hair, I wouldn't be upset about that. I
Speaker 2: would want to be attractive for you, and I would think, well,
Speaker 2: I want to I want him to like her long hair. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that wouldn't bother me.
Speaker 1: Hair is one of your powers.
Speaker 2: In fact, I would like it. I like that you
Speaker 2: feel passionate about something about the way I look.
Speaker 1: Okay, but here's the bigger issue. Our wedding is coming up.
Speaker 1: And so I asked Laura the other day, I said, Babe,
Speaker 1: what when I'm standing in front of you, how do
Speaker 1: you see me? Am? I shaved? Am? I you know,
Speaker 1: because my instinct was to shave. You said scruff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's the thing. I don't need you
Speaker 2: in a beard like sometimes it does get a little
Speaker 2: too long, and I tell you shave it a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I like, there's just something about other people. Please
Speaker 2: weigh in and tell me there's something about a five
Speaker 2: o'clock shadow, just a little scruff.
Speaker 1: So for the wedding, I'm gonna have a little little scruff.
Speaker 2: It's sexy. Kendall, you said you also don't like it
Speaker 2: when your boyfriend shaves. Helped me out. Give me another opinion.
Speaker 2: What is it? Why do we have an issue and
Speaker 2: why do we like the facial hair? I honestly have
Speaker 2: no idea. I always tell my boyfriend like, he looks
Speaker 2: like an infant when he shaves, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: just something about the scruff. It just makes you way
Speaker 2: more attractive, and then when you shave, it kind of
Speaker 2: brings you down a couple points. I have said this before.
Speaker 2: I don't know a guy unless he has an issue
Speaker 2: where he like, like, okay, I'm gonna call him out.
Speaker 2: Ben Higgins struggles to grow a full beard.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it'd be like Wells. Wells is
Speaker 1: another one who just doesn't grow facial hair, so he doesn't.
Speaker 2: But if you're able, yes, but if you're able, I
Speaker 2: so just called him out. Sorry, guys, we love you
Speaker 2: and they both look great without beards. But if you're
Speaker 2: able to grow a nice beard, scruff like, it's full,
Speaker 2: it's not patchy, I don't know any guy who doesn't
Speaker 2: look better with it. Interesting, Like I'm trying to think,
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe.
Speaker 1: We could call this the Yellowstone effect, the cole Houser,
Speaker 1: you know, the strong scruff.
Speaker 2: I don't know what effect it is. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was into it long before. I go back to sometimes
Speaker 2: I do think, I mean, we should really get an
Speaker 2: expert in on this, because I would imagine maybe there's
Speaker 2: something biological. Is there something in us that's like, like,
Speaker 2: does testosterone grow beards and that makes you physically attracted?
Speaker 2: I don't know. But I also go back to the
Speaker 2: first crush thing. I swear my first crush was Harrison
Speaker 2: Ford playing Indiana Jones, and I think I take everything
Speaker 2: back to that. It's like that TikTok trend when you
Speaker 2: were people were supposed to put their current partner and
Speaker 2: their first crush side by side, and so many people
Speaker 2: looked like their first crush, Like, I think I've just
Speaker 2: been trying to morph you into Harrison Ford is Indiana Jonees.
Speaker 1: So Easton, our other producer, says his wife hates facial hair.
Speaker 2: Really but wait, can Easton talk Easton? Can you weigh in?
Speaker 1: Of course you can, Easton, she hates any facial hair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have like a brillo pad growing out of
Speaker 4: my jaw, though it's really wiry.
Speaker 3: It's really coarse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at it now. It's it's pretty solid though.
Speaker 1: I mean, I shave.
Speaker 3: Once a week. That's my that's my move. And you
Speaker 3: know what I do. I go in the backyard. I
Speaker 3: do it outside.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do it outside as well.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought it was crazy for doing it, but
Speaker 3: thank you for validating me.
Speaker 1: I so, I have a tremor and I go outside
Speaker 1: because at that point it's just it gets there's so
Speaker 1: much hair and I don't want to go in down
Speaker 1: the drain.
Speaker 2: Wait. I want to applaud both of you because I
Speaker 2: know a lot of women who get so annoyed with
Speaker 2: their partner when he shaves, because I mean, we're stereotyping here,
Speaker 2: but of course the typical straight dude doesn't really clean
Speaker 2: up all that hair all that well, and it's so annoying.
Speaker 2: So thank you both. You're doing the polite thing and
Speaker 2: going outside.
Speaker 1: So easton you walk, you walk out naked in your
Speaker 1: backyard as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, I do it in my underpants, and it took
Speaker 4: me many years before I realize the neighbors can definitely
Speaker 4: see and they just seem totally.
Speaker 1: You're like a mountain man.
Speaker 2: Oh, So for your wife, though, it's a texture thing.
Speaker 3: Is that any Yes, it's a texture thing, and I
Speaker 3: think it's a I think she likes how it looks
Speaker 3: kind of, but mostly she'd rather just be clean shaven
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: So we just touched another chord. We got to bring
Speaker 1: Kendall back in Kendall. Your boyfriend shaves over the sink
Speaker 1: every time.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, it's disgusting and I know, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it looks like it's disgusting. Tell him to learn from
Speaker 2: these gents.
Speaker 1: Go outside, get outside, get outside. I mean, some people
Speaker 1: live in an apartment complex might be a little harder.
Speaker 2: You throw on your basketball shorts and go up. Do
Speaker 2: it over the balcony exactly. Oh god, I'm over the balcony.
Speaker 2: Someone's walking down below.
Speaker 1: It is funny how we have such strong opinions about this,
Speaker 1: about changing.
Speaker 2: Well, but let but you know what, I just this
Speaker 2: just hit me. It's your face though, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: your partner's face. It's like the thing you you lock
Speaker 2: eyes with and you're more attracted to than anything, and
Speaker 2: and you're kissing it and you're like, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of everything.
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't like the disappointment that I
Speaker 1: see in your your face and you're hearing your voice.
Speaker 2: When he was shaving yesterday, he was shaving outside and
Speaker 2: it's in this sort of like courtyard area that we have,
Speaker 2: and I was at another window and I was I
Speaker 2: banging my fists on the window like in streetcase street
Speaker 2: Car named Desire, when he's just like Stella or No,
Speaker 2: the graduate, which it's like banging.
Speaker 3: That's what it was last.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 2: No, but I also have the same reaction. And guys,
Speaker 2: please weigh in. But when Chris gets a haircut, because
Speaker 2: we were talking about this for the wedding, you gotta
Speaker 2: time that haircut right, because a too fresh haircut on
Speaker 2: a guy not so much like if with long haired
Speaker 2: women you don't notice it so much, But a too
Speaker 2: fresh haircut on a guy before a big moment, it
Speaker 2: can look a little silly.
Speaker 1: You can look like a little boy.
Speaker 2: It's got to be a little grown out. I think
Speaker 2: got Kendall Easton, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you gotta get you gotta give it a week.
Speaker 3: At least a week. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I got kind of a bad haircut before my wedding,
Speaker 4: and I had to get some touch ups like the
Speaker 4: day before. I know, man, that was rough, but I
Speaker 4: think I pulled it off.
Speaker 2: Oh that was that like a major anxiety moment.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it was big time.
Speaker 2: What did you go to someone new? What happened?
Speaker 3: I did? I did?
Speaker 4: Oh No, I went to someone new and I went
Speaker 4: to like one of those cool guys, you know, the
Speaker 4: guys that like give you the beer and yeah you know.
Speaker 4: And I did not like how it turned out, and
Speaker 4: so I went to this woman my wife knows, and
Speaker 4: I've been going to her ever since.
Speaker 1: She fixed it for me, save me. Yes, that is
Speaker 1: a that's a big no. I've had a lot of
Speaker 1: anxiety thinking about when I will get my haircut for
Speaker 1: the wedding leading up to it, so I have a
Speaker 1: good week week and a half for it to grow
Speaker 1: in so it doesn't look so fresh.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of these big like I
Speaker 2: would say my equivalent would be highlighting. Like one time
Speaker 2: I went and got a toner done on my hair
Speaker 2: because I thought, oh, I'm going to be fresh, Oh
Speaker 2: to go cover the Royal wedding, Harry and Meghan's wedding.
Speaker 2: So it's the night before I'm leaving and I got
Speaker 2: this toner done on it, and it made my hair
Speaker 2: look horrible. It took all the dimension and color out
Speaker 2: of it. And so but at that point I didn't
Speaker 2: even I don't even think. I went back to the
Speaker 2: same person. I called somebody else who done my hair
Speaker 2: before and said, please come save me.
Speaker 1: So what's our takeaway on this?
Speaker 2: Yikes? I mean, my my gut instinct is never shave.
Speaker 1: No, that's my instinct. Here's the thing. In the long run,
Speaker 1: you are the person I most want to please. You
Speaker 1: are the person I see the most in my life.
Speaker 1: And if it's not such a big deal, which by
Speaker 1: the way, shaving is kind of not shaving, it's kind
Speaker 1: of wonderful. It's great.
Speaker 2: Like I want to make you feel good about yourself, though,
Speaker 2: because I want you to feel good, and I am
Speaker 2: asking you this very belatedly, as we're two years into
Speaker 2: you're not shaving.
Speaker 1: I hate to admit this. I've now had scruffed so
Speaker 1: long that when I shaved and I saw myself the
Speaker 1: other day in the mirror, it didn't look like me
Speaker 1: as much interesting. I looked just like it just looks
Speaker 1: very different. As as Easton said, it looked like I
Speaker 1: had a filter on Wow. So the Scruff is coming back.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I've beaten you into liking it.
Speaker 1: The big, the big, the big twist will be when
Speaker 1: we come back and we're doing television again, will I
Speaker 1: have the Scruff?
Speaker 2: Everyone? Please weigh in. I am going to put a
Speaker 2: poll on my Instagram for everybody to weigh in on
Speaker 2: whether they like you as Scruff or not.
Speaker 1: Reach out to at Lauren z Ema. You can find
Speaker 1: me at Chris B. Harrison of course at the Most
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