WEBVTT - Tranual Labor 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:11.000 Hogs summer Hocus Hocus have a kick ass summer. Duh. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.440 Because I'm a bad girl, because we're the bad kids, 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:23.640 and she's sheen Ami no mate, no my name yo? No? 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:33.040 What is your child trauma? I am a Your life's 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.720 going down before round. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:47.879 Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.159 yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose DomU and I'm 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:53.400 Fran Toronto. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:53.840 And. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.200 Today the evil will be defeated and Pride Month will 0:00:59.520 --> 0:00:59.880 be over. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.160 That's not technically true, Rose, I mean. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.080 Today is in the day that this episode comes out, Oh, 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.559 the last the last day of June. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.760 You know, it's still not true. Rose. Pride is all 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.559 year round. The thing about pride be for yourself, babes. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.040 Pride wasn't even Pride wasn't even in June for me. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.200 This year, pride is a state of minds. And pride 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.120 happens in the UK in July, it happens in it 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.000 you know, in Atlanta in October. Don't happens in New 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:34.840 Orleans in September. Pride happens everywhere all the time because 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.480 we are prideful all year round. And this year, in 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:45.920 partnership with JP Morgan. And on that note, a word 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.680 from our sponsor, Zappo's Shoes is the Beast. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.080 You shouldn't because because we probably do have an ad 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.640 that's like that we just don't that we just don't 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:56.120 know about. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.840 Okay, wait, dream Dream Pride sponsorship. Okay, they're buying out that. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.760 It's not just a spot, they're buying out like an advertorial. Okay, 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:09.400 who is the brand we want? The Church of Scientology. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.240 You are only saying that because you want to suck 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:21.320 Tom Cruise. Well, yeah, duh. My dream partnership would probably 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.760 be like, what's something that I legitimately need, like emodium? 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.280 Oh don't know, you know what I would love because 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.240 I'm thinking about Gaga right now, if I might as 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.959 well go big Pharma. I want my Pride partnership for 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.120 this podcast to be Titlenal extra strength rapid release gels. Okay, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:45.440 this is not every painkiller. This is not every woman. Okay, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.040 not ibuprofen. She is an amazing pain reliever that does 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:54.160 not in your blood. It acts immediately, and it's very potent, 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.960 and it's like unlike other painkillers. This I'm literally doing 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:04.000 an advertiying. Okay, let's let's move it a lot. Let's 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.480 move it a pride. I was your pride friend. My 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.520 pride was filled with the tite little extra strength rapid 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:17.280 release jels because I was hungover, stopped doing spot No seriously, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.760 I was so drunk and did a lot of drugs 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.560 and smoked a lot of weed. And that is pride 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.679 to me. As you know, I did pretty much the 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.200 opposite of you, which is go to club, another club, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:33.079 another club, bus train, no sleep, no sleep. I have 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.760 been going to parties all month, not a ton of 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.760 sponsored parties, which I love, like not even like only 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.200 like one fashion party, like only really going to like 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.119 people's convene gatherings, drag events, things that are like self 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.920 produced or like community produced. I think is like where 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.880 we should be putting our energy and dollars. Yes, but 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:59.080 I also went to body Hack, an amazing trans party 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.840 that my friend reoed with her organizing collective, and then 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.160 Poppy Juice after that, and then the next day I 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.120 went to Dike March, and then I went to Gush, 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.840 which my friend Angie helps put on. And it's been 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.960 a queer ass weekend. And then yesterday I went to 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.480 your least favorite place on the planet and my favorite 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:22.200 place on the planet Jacob eas Beach. I will never 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:27.240 go there again. I love that beach. Anyways, what did 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.200 you do this weekend? Rose? So? 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.320 I well, Thursday, I kicked off Pride by doing a 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.880 corporate panel with friend of the podcast Charlene. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.440 That actually went well. It was very chill. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.160 And then Friday, my friend and I went out of 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.880 town for the weekend to Wyndham, New York, which is 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:51.880 in the Catskills. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.360 Windham that sounds very Bridgerton. It's a very. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:00.240 It was a very like picturesque little town. And then 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:05.320 we were in a cabin that was like faux remote, 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.240 you know, like it was pretty close to everything, but 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:14.040 it looked like very scenic around it. The house was, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.279 you know, it had kind of all of the typical 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.040 airbnb problems. The beds were not very comfortable. It was 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.200 super hot in it when we got in there, and 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.359 I had to put the ac in myself. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.719 Which was not great. We are going to be talking 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.640 about and just like that on the Patreon. I was 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.240 just about to start talking about it now, and then 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.200 I caught myself and I said, wait a second, the 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.880 conversation is Paywald. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.840 Yes, we have a lot to say though, I do 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.720 have a lot to say about and just like that, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.760 and we're not even we're not even going to give 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.680 you top level thoughts. If you want a glimpse of taste, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.680 a taste of the end, just like that combo, you 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.320 can hear it. But if you want our full thoughts, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.480 and I think this will probably be how we get 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.800 through the season of end just like that, because the 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.120 episodes come out Thursday, so just like timing wise, it 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.920 doesn't really make sense for us to talk about the 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.080 previous week's episode. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.000 So I believe that. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:13.520 And just like that, discussions will live on the Patreon, 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.120 So go to patreon dot com, slash like a virgin 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.560 and become a patron if you want to hear our 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:19.160 thoughts about it. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:26.240 Gorge h literally so much. Okay, no other TV this weekend, right, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.720 I mean you were just reading on your little your 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.800 little pride escape and your little pride escape hat. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:37.000 No, we actually did watch a couple episodes of Glamorous 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.480 on Netflix and it seems fun. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.440 It's fun. Is it about like a editor and she 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.400 like a mean editor lady and like a lowly assistant. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.040 That that is the problem with it. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.640 No, the problem is that Kim Katrall is basically playing 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.919 Miranda Priestley in the Devorce praduc if she was nice? 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.960 What? And that's boring? Why is she nice? 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.160 I don't know. I wish I knew she is nice. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.200 She's a nice boss was a nice What is the conflict? 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:16.360 The conflict seems to be that the main character is 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.720 and he's not he in the show is not even 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.280 non binary. What they're actually I'm about four episodes in 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:29.040 there has been zero discussion of gender. No one's at 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:33.520 any point like asked his pronouns, and like they're basically 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.760 no person that's I guess that's fine, And like at 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.400 one point they do make reference to being a femme 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.600 gay guy. But for a show that's like the headline 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.160 is about a boy who wears makeup, it is seems 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.400 to be remarkably uninterested in the you know, gender and 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:55.880 identity implications of that. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.360 Which is can I guess a choice? I I really 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.480 shouldn't say any because I have not watched a single 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.520 second of the show, not even the trailer, so I 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.680 don't even know what it's about totally. But from what 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.120 you're describing, I will say it is awesome to have 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.800 any sort of circumstance where you know a transactor is 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.920 playing a cisgender role. I actually don't even know if 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.560 miss Benny identifies as trans, but like she's definitely giving 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:23.080 on binary and I think that's dope. I am shocked 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.200 though that Netflix would not have would not lean into 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.280 that conversation, you know, in the kind of writing way. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.640 But maybe that's a great thing. And I don't know 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.600 how that what this show feels like. But like if 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.480 someone's like visibly gender non conforming, I don't really need 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.120 to have a convert I don't need like there to 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.640 be a scene that's like a conversation about it. But 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.040 in a real life it would come up naturally in 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.040 a little in between moments. There are ways to crack 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.839 jokes about it and reference it. Honestly, sort of this 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.920 does this really well, sort of an HBO the kind 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.199 of trans South Asian Daria that I was telling you about. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.920 The jokes are very like off the cuff gender jokes 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.920 that like fit in between the actual plot and meat 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.599 of the show. Anyways, Yeah, I mean I will watch it. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:15.000 I'm gonna it is a fun like head empty trash 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.760 TV watch, and that is what I will say about it. Oh, well, 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.760 is that I do? I do? I hear? Do I 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.880 hear an episode coming up? What is that? I what 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.080 are you holding? I'm holding a large shell to my ear. Yeah, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.640 and I think I'm getting that. We are talking about 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:37.040 summer camp today. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.679 Yes, we are talking about camp, not the not the 0:09:41.800 --> 0:10:10.520 met Gala theme, but place, the actual place that you go. Yes, Ryan, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.920 did you spend a lot of time. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.280 At camp? Is that what you did in the summers 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.280 when you were coming out Jesus Camp seven summers in 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.319 a row. Baby, Oh my god, I didn't even think 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.040 about that, the fact that you would have gone. I 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.440 went to Jesus when we talked about the Jesus version 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.760 of it. Yes, yes, yes, I loved. Okay, So what's 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.880 your earliest memory of Jesus Camp. Well, okay, we had 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.560 before Jesus Camp, like sleep away camp, like proper sleep 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.160 away camp. We did have like a vacation Bible School, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.800 which is kind of like a day camp for todd 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.599 for like, you know, babies, to like go and do 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.920 activities and play play with like the other church kids 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.760 and stuff like that. That I guess I kind of 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.640 enjoyed because it was something to do during the day, 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:05.280 and I liked my church friends, I think, but Jesus Camp, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.800 like where you go and you sleep there for like 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.880 one or two or three weeks at a time, was 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.400 very cult like. And obviously that you don't say, I mean, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.280 obviously it's because of Jesus, but also like, since we're 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.080 talking about it broadly, like summer camp does like kind 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.600 of function like a cult sometimes, Like you do kind 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.520 of enter this summer camp brain space that is different 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.319 from when you go back home, like it feels for 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.480 a different life for sure. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.360 Well, you have your camp friends, you can sort of 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.160 reinvent yourself at camp. But then but then once you're 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.199 locked into a camp, then you are that person for 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.280 the duration. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.520 Of your camp. Well, okay, what was your first summer camp? 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.720 Did you have to did you ever reinvent yourself? 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:57.480 So so, I you know, am part of a long 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:05.560 lineage of Jews who believe in packing their children off 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.440 to be taken care of by nineteen year olds from 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.680 Australia and New Zealand basically as soon as they're old 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:17.199 enough so that they can you know, like go on 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.120 summer vacations to Europe or like do whatever. So you know, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.480 my mom and her brothers were sent off to a 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.280 sleep Boy camp as soon as they were old enough, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.679 and I the same was done for my brother and I. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.800 You know, you got to get the kids out of 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.439 the house during the summer and pay someone to take. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:42.520 And wait, sorry, how long were you away? So okay. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.439 I didn't start going to sleep Boy camp until I 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:52.560 was eleven, maybe ten or eleven. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:52.880 You know. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.959 Up until then, I would go to day camp I 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:03.760 went to. It was always sort of temple adjacent to 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.720 like a camp that was run out of the synagogue 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.000 that we went to, and then I went to a 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.880 theater camp that was also still a day camp. Then 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.760 there was one summer where we went to a camp 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.959 where you slept there during the week but you went 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:20.840 home on the weekends. And it was in the city 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.360 that I lived in, So that was sort of like 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.280 training wheels for Sleepway Camp. And then I went to 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.959 Sleepway Camp for the first time. I believe the summer 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.000 I was ten or eleven and my younger brother was 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.880 two years younger than me. We both went and that 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.760 was like also kind of training wheels for Sleepway Camp 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.960 because I think it was only a week or two long. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.079 I don't remember much about that camp experience, except that 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.400 on the way back, I was flying back, because you know, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.319 these camps are always somewhere in the Northeast. I think 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.000 this one was in Main And on the flight back, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.040 for some reason, I got bumped up to first class, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.960 so I was like ten or you're my oh god, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.079 flying flying alone. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.959 In first oil rotten in real time, getting spoiled rotten. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:12.040 But I got sick from the food or something. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.000 And this is a very this is a very vivid, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:20.200 like core foundational building blocking memory for me. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.480 So I got sick from the plane. I do remember 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:26.520 this like this. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.400 The flight attendants were all very into me because it 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.960 was like such a novelty, this like kid alone in 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.320 first class. I'm sure I was like super faggy. And 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.800 then when I got home, it was the summer that 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:43.320 Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets came out, and 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.800 I had begged my parents to get it for me, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.080 And when I got home, the book was waiting for 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.200 me on my bed, and all I wanted to do 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.200 was stay up all night and read it. But I 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.080 was deliriously ill from whatever had consumed on the plane, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.240 so I slept for a full twenty four hours when 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.840 I got home and I came downstairs, you know, to 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.840 like for breakfast or whatever. When I finally was sick, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.960 and my family was like, I can't believe what you 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.040 did last night. And I was like, what are you 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.480 talking about? They were like, you came downstairs. And so 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.840 this was the nineties, and you know, nineties were a 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.360 very water cooler culture, and we had a water cooler 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:28.120 in the kitchen. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.320 You know that you with like this big water cooler 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.240 water for a water cooler culture in your own home 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:38.200 kitchen got over, yes, And they said that during the night, 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.960 while they were all sitting around having dinner, I had 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:47.080 come downstairs, walked up to the water cooler, pissed in 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.960 it as if it were a urinal, without saying a word, 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.760 and then gone back upstairs and gone back to sleep. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.200 You were wait, were you sleepwalking? I was sleepwalking? I don't. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.960 I haven't known memory of this. Well, how could you 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.880 so accurately piss into a water cooler in your sleep? 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:11.400 That's not possible. You were possessed. I was possessed by 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.480 I was much like much like Ginny Weasley and Harry 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:20.640 Potter and the Chamber of secrets. God, God, that's so weird. Rose, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.080 you should be more so by that story. I know 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:30.640 it was. It's very that has it's it is giving hereditary, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.480 and it's something that has haunted me throughout my entire life, 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.400 and like growing up, my my mom and my stepdad 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.320 and my brother would always joke about it, and I'd 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.120 get really pissed off, like because it was embarrassing because 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.640 I didn't remember it and it I was humiliated. So 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.560 that to me is like the beginning of my summer 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.600 camp journey and in many ways makes a lot of 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.080 sense considering some of the experiences I've had at variously. Question, So, 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.280 since you're sharing embarrassing stories, I will concede the fact 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:11.000 that I was a bed wetter probably until I was 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:15.280 almost like tennish. But I don't know. I don't think 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.600 I've ever pissed my pants at camp, like to my recollection, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.600 I feel like I would viscerally remember that. But I 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.280 definitely had that fear every time I was in a 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.480 sort of slumber party situation. But honestly, my parents didn't 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.920 really let me do sleepovers because you know, parents like those. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.480 I think there's a hard and fast rule with like 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.639 more conservative parents are more like issy parents that just 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.720 like they just don't do sleepovers, which is like bonkers 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.720 to me. But I will tell you that my version 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.920 of that story is I got pink I at Jesus Camp. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.160 I think my first or second year and pinky Okay, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.720 when you're at summer camp, first things, First, you got crushes. Okay, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.200 you're telling everyone you got crushes on the girls. I 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.679 personally secretly have crushes on the boys. You are surrounded 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.479 by puberty. You're surrounded by people that are more puba yes, yes, pubes, 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.920 people that are more pubescent than you like, and you 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.800 feel insecure about like who's grown and who's not. You 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.200 feel insecure about who's cool and who's not, Like what 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.080 movies they've seen that you've never heard of? Like I 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.080 had so much insecurity at camp because you're coalescing with 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.639 people that like aren't at your school, completely outside of 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:29.240 your you know wherewithal So when I got pink eye 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.359 and became this untouchable loser and everyone knew it, I 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.600 was like, oh my god, could I have a more 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.280 worse experience here at Jesus Camp. Everyone was like very 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.440 gracious about it, Like no one really made fun of 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.800 it because you know, everyone loved Jesus, but like, it 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.920 was still nasty and I do have like it. It 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.560 is singed in my memory as an unpleasant camp experience, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.840 but I loved summer camp. Loved I also loved summer camp. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:18:59.800 I went to a camp that was okay. So there's 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.280 a a very well known theater camp called French Woods. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.640 That's what the movie Camp is based off of, which 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.080 is one of my favorite films Anna Kendrick, her best work, 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.960 She Is Fucked, I'm Ready, and the Goddamn Show Must Gone. 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.359 But we were sort of like a sister camp to 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:20.240 French Woods. So it was either sports or the arts, 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.720 which I guess are still kind of the only camp activity. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.119 So it's not like we were special. But I was 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.560 the only quote unquote boy who was like into theater 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.920 only why not the only one, but I was the 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.520 most into theater, so I got the lee and rolls 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.840 in all that. I know that I knew that. 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:40.680 Yeah, so that was a big part of my camp experience. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.480 But also I have another embarrassing story that has something 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:51.560 to do with evacuating your body. So I was I 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.159 have always been very pe shy when I used to 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:56.840 use bathrooms that had urinals in them. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.040 I never pissed on someone during sex because you're p right, No, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.320 I like to be pressed on. I don't like. I 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:04.520 still get very p shy. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.840 So you know, back when I used to use bathrooms 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.080 i had urinals, I like hated being at a urinal 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.240 because I'm very p shy. I also in my childhood 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.320 was very poop shy and I did not want to 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.879 poop in public. So when I got to see you 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:20.800 were one of those, I didn't seven day. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.760 I knew I didn't shy. I didn't ship for a 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.040 full for a full week. When I went to camp 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.240 and I had to be sent I had to be 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.680 sent to the click. I had to be sent to 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.720 the clinic because I had like the worst just stomach 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.680 ache ever. And the nurse took one look at me. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.760 I was like, when was the last night? And I 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.399 was like, I was like at my grandma's house before 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.399 we got here, and she was like, she was like, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.120 go in there and take a ship. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.240 And I was like, can you like puun some music 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.960 or something or like walk go out in the ride, 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.040 and she did it did work. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:05.399 I shot and I felt so much better and that 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.320 was the first step in me becoming comfortable with shitting 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.920 in public. In public such a funny and now I 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:19.120 sha all the time everywhere. I mean, I still don't 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:24.000 love to ship in like a crowded but you know 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.800 when you're in an audience, but I do it because 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.600 you know, it's what the people want when. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:34.159 You're in a bunk with especially with teenage boys. Like 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.040 that's the thing at my my bunk at Sleepway Camp. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.880 So it was like it wasn't so you know, you're 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.600 like grouped by bunk at camp, but our bunks were 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.280 like interconnected, so it was like four different bunk groupings. 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.040 Then we all shared one big bathroom in the middle, 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.359 so there there was always someone around listening to me 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.560 take a dumb and it made me very self conscious, 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.639 but you know it did help, is that especially that 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:03.159 first summer. The albums that went triple platinum and R 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:09.400 Bunk were Eminem's debut album That's Extremely Summer and Yes 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:15.960 and the south Park movie soundtrack, which I honestly I 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.440 love the south Park movie south Park, bigger, longer and 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.840 uncut scenes, and I was I was sitting on that 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:25.840 toilet singing blame Canada while I was trying to poop. No, okay, 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:27.800 the South Park, the South Park of it all is 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.760 emblematic of something that honestly, you know we're talking about 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.600 right here in summer camp culture, which is that boys 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:36.119 are disgusting. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:41.800 South Park is disgusting just cater to like gross little boys. 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:44.359 And when you are at summer camp and you have 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.719 to get used to, you know, pissed ship, pee, pooh, far, 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:53.160 puke whatever, like, it's like they the kids they lean 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.280 into that, get the boys lean into that, and so 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.040 all of a sudden it's like he and pooh and 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.560 fart and puke jokes, and it's like, no, like this 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.480 is everyone's farting on each other, like you're spinning on people, 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:08.480 like gendered memories like happening in those like toxically masculine 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.000 spaces where I'm just like, I was like, this isn't 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.399 me dog, Like I don't understand, I don't belong here. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:19.360 Get me out, not dog. Yeah, camp food also will 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.680 will stop you up. We have to say it. 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.960 Yes, there was one summer where I only ate jello 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:32.240 from from the cafeteria, and I mean I was having 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:33.359 some very liquidy shits. 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:34.040 It was. 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.639 It also like blue, like I don't, I don't recall, 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:40.639 but that was also the summer that I had my 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:46.359 first girlfriend, whose name I believe was Christine Christine, And 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.440 it was also the summer that I that It was 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.000 also the summer that I sucked my first dude. 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.199 Oh wow, two for one? Wait Christine? How long did 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.880 that relate and ate pussy for the first time? Oh 0:23:58.359 --> 0:23:59.359 my god? Wait you did? 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:03.240 I had all my first sexual experiences your most bisexual summer? 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.960