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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: This is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And Julie,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm kind of worried about some cats out there. Um,

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Speaker 1: not my cat, My cat is straight edge, but a

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Speaker 1: number of these animals are addicted to a certain substance. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's a big problem. I'm gonna say that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just gonna reveal right now that my cat,

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Speaker 1: Owen is a victim of it. Yeah. He might even

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Speaker 1: be at home glassy eyed right now. Yeah. Sometimes I'm

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Speaker 1: known on the street is the nip or or CN

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Speaker 1: but more commonly known to humans as catnip. That's right,

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Speaker 1: it's a big problem. Yeah, and uh, I think most

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Speaker 1: people have observed this, uh uh this uh, this potentially

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Speaker 1: problematic behavior in them as if not you're in your

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Speaker 1: own cat, uh, in your friends cats or just cats

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Speaker 1: on the street. Uh, they'll they'll generally, you'll you'll you'll

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Speaker 1: either supply it to them or they'll obtain it in

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Speaker 1: the form of an actual living plant growing in some

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Speaker 1: some dirt, or it's a powder or it's been uh

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Speaker 1: you know, somehow meshed into a toy or I've actually

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Speaker 1: seen it, uh, somehow processed into like a solid ball,

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Speaker 1: like like a like a like a jawbreaker, and then

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Speaker 1: they just go nuts for it. And there's just there's drooling,

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Speaker 1: there's there's rolling around on the floor, right, or sometimes

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Speaker 1: the cute little stuffed bunny that it's in is torn apart.

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Speaker 1: It's just it can get pretty ugly. It's which is

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Speaker 1: kind of cruel. Like imagine if you uh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: imagine if if people were administering you know, dangerous drugs

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Speaker 1: or or very addictive drugs to humans in a similar capacity.

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Speaker 1: Like here you go, here's your heroine, but it's in

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Speaker 1: a baby doll. You're gonna have to tear the baby

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Speaker 1: apart to get to it. You know, that would be

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Speaker 1: kind of weird. Wow. But but it's not not a

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Speaker 1: we're kidding of it. But it's it's not a dangerous substance.

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Speaker 1: I mean unless the cat I guess, tries to drive

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Speaker 1: a vehicle afterwards or something, right, Right, and in that

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Speaker 1: case you just take the keys away from Owen like

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Speaker 1: I do. But right, it's naturally occurring. Yeah, I can't

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Speaker 1: blame them for stumbling upon it and saying, wow, this

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Speaker 1: this ment like herb is really delicious. Yeah. And the

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Speaker 1: primary um agent at work here is actually a similar

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Speaker 1: to turpentine, and it's called neptal lactone rolls off a tone, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: also known as the NEP on the street, Yeah, on

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Speaker 1: the street in cat circles, and uh, you know, it's it's,

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Speaker 1: like I say, it's hard to sort of to gauge

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Speaker 1: exactly what it's doing, but it seems to stimulate the

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Speaker 1: regions of the cat brain that control sex, appetite, and mood, right, right,

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Speaker 1: And in fact, there's a there's supposed to be special

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Speaker 1: wiring for cat pheromones in their olfactory apparatus. Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And apparently one third of domestic cats don't react to

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Speaker 1: cat and ip at all. So as my cat, which

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Speaker 1: again we keep I'm always impulse buying cat and up

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, maybe she only wants it when

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Speaker 1: it's really fresh, so I'll get the planet and she

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Speaker 1: you know that she has no part of it. You've

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Speaker 1: tried everything to dose your cat pretty much, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: it's so amusing when it happens, and and ultimately, um

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Speaker 1: you know, cats are there for our amusement when they

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Speaker 1: live in our homes. I think I shared with you

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Speaker 1: earlier that my cat is twenty six pounds. He's a

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Speaker 1: main con and actually frightened when he gets dosed, because

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Speaker 1: you know, you just don't want that type of large

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Speaker 1: cat pouncing on you. Do they pound that? Does he

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Speaker 1: pounce when he gets Yeah, I mean he does the

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Speaker 1: whole like rolls around, drules, glassy odd and then the

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Speaker 1: paranoid like jumping from from one piece of furniture to

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Speaker 1: the other until you That's when I get a little

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Speaker 1: bit nervous and we all sequest ourselves into a small

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Speaker 1: room until he's done. Now, I've found it interesting that

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Speaker 1: cats say in Japan um and the Japanese people love

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Speaker 1: their cats, as most of the videos on YouTube can

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Speaker 1: I think half the videos on YouTuber cats doing something

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Speaker 1: there that's similar called the u matta tabby plant, which

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Speaker 1: contains um compounds that are similar to something called uh well,

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Speaker 1: similar to the same nepatela taka tone that I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: where you look. I saw. I saw one account that

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Speaker 1: was saying that it causes different behavior, making them align

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Speaker 1: the same behavior. It's cats rolling around, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: little bit creepy when I think about it that way. Now,

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Speaker 1: the human usage of of these substances pretty interesting as well,

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Speaker 1: because apparently um uh, the the mattatabi plant has also

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Speaker 1: and as a tonic for ruth and through ruthanis um okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: and also before Chinese tea became widely available, cat nip

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Speaker 1: in nice little cat nip tea. Wow. So like I mean,

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Speaker 1: right now, I'm actually having a mug of green tea,

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Speaker 1: so you know, there, but for fortune, I would be

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Speaker 1: sitting here having a cup of cat nip tea just

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Speaker 1: looking over my shoulder to make sure that the hordes

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Speaker 1: For me, that's exactly right. And you would probably be

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Speaker 1: wearing like a tricorn hat. But I think the thing

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of junkies in the animal kingdom.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not all junkies. Sometimes they're merely um well,

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Speaker 1: sometimes they're there's it's definitely a case of self medication

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Speaker 1: injurs too, right, yeah, and then they're bingjurs and then

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Speaker 1: they're there are cases where the jury is kind of

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Speaker 1: out exactly what's going on. But but we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about some of the more outlandish and interesting cases

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Speaker 1: of animal drug use in this podcast. So so let's uh,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to another animal. Well, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the drunkards, the dipsomaniacs, specifically Laura Keats. Yes, the little

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Speaker 1: not quite sure why, but there have been reports of

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Speaker 1: be a hangover state. But that's actually not too uncommon,

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Speaker 1: and it's possible that they get ahold of some fruit

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Speaker 1: of course a natural phenomenon that occurs with with any

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Speaker 1: right and naturally. And I'm thinking about the moose um

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Speaker 1: just causing all sorts of craziness. Yeah, and if they're

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Speaker 1: is that right? Yeah? Yeah yeah, But then this also

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Speaker 1: on their faces could just because be due to the

424
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: horrible taste of the millipede. Yeah. Uh. And he also

425
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: throws out there that he's observed a pet lemur uh

426
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: exhibit the same behavior with cigarettes. So the lemur steals

427
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: a cigarette, drools over it, rubs it all over it's

428
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: fur and uh and ahibitally thinks this may also be

429
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: a case of where the lemurs trying to protect itself

430
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: from parasites, but it recognizes something in the in the

431
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: cigarette as being valuable in that regard, like some sort

432
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: of chemical compound. Yeah, huh. I wonder on on the

433
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: addictive side, if it has the same effect, Like, I mean,

434
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: I know that some I've heard of monkeys in captivity

435
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: smoking before. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, I would imagine there

436
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: would be an addictive property to rubbing yourself down with

437
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: the nicotine. Yeah, I mean, I mean, what is the

438
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: nickotine patch? Right? But yeah, why don't they make nicotine loution.

439
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 1: We're thinking about it. No, No, I mean I'm picturing it,

440
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: like you know, just somebody who's really into smoke and

441
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: just coming home in the afternoon, just like getting a

442
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: big bucket, like a big tub of it out like

443
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, lighting a few Yankee candles, turning

444
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: on the the onion music, and just slathering down their lavender.

445
00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: Mental solution. Yeah, well, there's an idea out there. This

446
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: presentation is brought to you by Intel sponsors of Tomorrow. Now,

447
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: did you run across any of the reindeer stories in

448
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: your research? This is of course, by the time this

449
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: comes out, Christmas will be defeated once more. Uh for

450
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: another year. But yeah, but right now Christmas is just

451
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: a few days away. So it's interesting to discuss um

452
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: lapland reindeer and there relationship with hallucinogenic mushrooms. And of

453
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: course a number of mushrooms out there in the world

454
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: are capable of producing hallucinogenic or psychedelic experiences in the user.

455
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: It just is there plenty of that will just kill

456
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: you completely dead or make you horribly horribly ill. So

457
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: we can't stress enough. Don't eat random mushrooms. Uh, that

458
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: you find in the wild. The particular mushroom that these

459
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: reindeer running into is um is a flaw i a

460
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: Garic mushroom called the aman Amanita muscaria, and this is

461
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: a red mushroom with white spots on it. So it's

462
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: very you know, super Mario Brothers fairy tale looking type

463
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: type mushroom. And uh, there there's this, there's there are

464
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: these reports that well there's sort of two versions of

465
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: this report. One is that you have like you know,

466
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: like a lot of these psychedelic substances that people have

467
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: consumed them religiously. Um were four religious practices over the

468
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: over the you know, throughout history, and so you have

469
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: shaman traditional shaman in the area that would supposedly consume

470
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: the mushrooms and then they would urinate and h then

471
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: the the reindeer would eat the urine, would lap up

472
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: the urine out of the E V L snow or whatever,

473
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: and then go just running off, you know, completely spaced out.

474
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: And then there's the reverse story. Well that's the thing

475
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: that they think that that's where some of the idea

476
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: of flying reindeer come from. But then the other then

477
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: there's like another side of it, which which is that

478
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: they would feed the mushrooms to the reindeer or observe

479
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: the reindeer eating the mushrooms, and the reindeer would have

480
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: their old experience, and then they would collect the reindeer. You, yeah,

481
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: because because a lot of them, because they think that

482
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: the the the urine would be like a concentrated version

483
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: of the hallucinogens from the mushroom. The circle of life,

484
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: isn't it beautiful? Well, I mean it's I guess it's

485
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: no weirder than the coffee that goes through the Yeah.

486
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: The does it go through a goat? Or is it

487
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: go through a cat like creature? Oh? I don't know,

488
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 1: I've heard goats, but it could be both. Yea, Like

489
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: this is like this is like this crazy, supposedly great coffee,

490
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: right that goes to the digestive system. Yeah, if I'm

491
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: I believe it is some sort of cat of some kind,

492
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: But it doesn't really not like a traditional cat. Okay,

493
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: But but the bean actually goes through and then that

494
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: you pick the bean out of the feces, right. Yeah,

495
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: It's not an area I've really looked into a lot

496
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: because I'm not really interested and someone's a little sensitive

497
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: about the coffee. Well, I just I just require that

498
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: my coffee not passed through another animals digestion think absolutely delicious,

499
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: even even if it's absolutely delicious, Okay, you don't want

500
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: to know, right, but but so anyway, that's that's uh,

501
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: that's just a great image though if the reindeer, urine

502
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: and shaman collecting it for their religious rights. Uh so

503
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: take that with you into next Christmas, because as you're

504
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: listening to it, it's probably just over a year away.

505
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: That's right now, It's less than here. So I mean,

506
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the stirc call of life.

507
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: There are are other accounts of people using animals to

508
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: get high. I have to say, um and not. I

509
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: don't know I've brought this up before, but if anyone's

510
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: ever watched a British news satire show called Brass Eye,

511
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: they had this great that that was it's like a

512
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: fake new um you know, sort of sort of sleazy

513
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: journalistic like news show in Britain that was all about

514
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: the breaking headlines and the really important stories, you know,

515
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: really uh you know, scandalous stuff. But they had this

516
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: one story that was that was presenting this idea that

517
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: somewhere in Asia, um in in like Eastern Asia, people

518
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: are getting high by there's a loophole in the in

519
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: the law that well, the first there's two. There's one

520
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: that like where it's okay to deal drugs of a

521
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: monkey does it for you, so that's a monkey to

522
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: actually transport the drugs. And then the other is that

523
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: you can you can it's legal to say smoke marijuana.

524
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: You have a dog is smoking it, and then you

525
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: have like hooked up like a blood transfusion system between

526
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: you and the dog, and they have this like super

527
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: like just crazy footage of like some guy using this

528
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: apparatus and the dog has like this muzzle with a

529
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: with a joint coming out of it. It's a that's nice. Yeah,

530
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: it's it's really it's a it's a really creepy show.

531
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Not for the time, really creepy show. But but yes,

532
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: and in real life, obviously people get high off of

533
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: animals or via animals. I know it's it's I mean,

534
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: you may not know about this, but you out there

535
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: in the general public, but it happens quite a bit

536
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: chicly in Australia where they've got the cane toad, people

537
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: actually lick the cane toad. Uh. The reason is that

538
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: the venom that the cane shoots at its enemies has

539
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: hallucinogenic effects when it's licked or smoked. So uh, and

540
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: it's actually not even unique to Australia. There's another toad

541
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: species in the United States called Buffo varius, also known

542
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: as the Colorado River toad, and on the street the

543
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Signoran desert toad, and that causes the same effect. And

544
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: the really interesting thing about this is that the active

545
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: chemical in it um and that in the venom venom

546
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: is called buff A tennin and uh it's related to

547
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: d M t H. Yeah. Now we can again we

548
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: can't stress um stress it enough that do not lick

549
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: or smoke random reples and amphibians. Yeah, I mean, not

550
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: only will you ostracize yourself among your friends and family. Um,

551
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: and look silly. It's just not a good idea. And

552
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: think of the toady, he's not going to really get

553
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: a lot out of it either. It's gonna be very

554
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: stressful for him, potentially lethal for you. So yeah, yeah,

555
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: so you know, on that note, I don't think I'll

556
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: go in to the specifics of how you can actually

557
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: extract it, but people do it man like, like they'll actually,

558
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: like instead of licking at they'll like extract the substance.

559
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: And well, there's a there's a way instead of say,

560
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: trying to attack the toads so that it freaks out

561
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and squirts it at you, there's a way to actually,

562
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: um manipulate a gland. Now I've told everybody, Well, there's

563
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: another example that comes to mind. Um. And this is

564
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: something that I originally read about in Burrows Naked Lunch,

565
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: and I at the time, I just thought it was

566
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: totally made up, because there's a lot of crazy stuff

567
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: and Naked Lunch that you know, do not attribute to

568
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: being part of reality. Talking cockroaches, oh yeah, talking cockroaches,

569
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: or any number of things that that shouldn't be mentioned here.

570
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: But there's a scene where they're talking about smoking a

571
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: black centipede and and using it for recreational purposes. So

572
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: I just assumed that was crazy. It sounds crazy, so

573
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: I just thought it was completely fictional. It turns out, um,

574
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: in the in parts of the world, you can actually

575
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: obtain uh said centipede and uh and smoke it um

576
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: if you so desire. And I I met a guy

577
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: once who had had been out in like I think Australia,

578
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: and he had a friend who was able to obtain

579
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: this animal and uh and they had they had tried

580
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: this and he had had subsequently a moved to the

581
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: United States and tried to to obtain the animal again

582
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: for this purpose and through the mail. Yeah, but he

583
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: keeps getting seized by customs because they think it's you know,

584
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: it's an invasive species. And that's supposed to obviously send

585
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: invasive species through the mail, uh, you know, to to

586
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: other countries in parts of the world. But he can't

587
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: actually you know, explain to customs. Hey, I don't want

588
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: to introduce it to the wild. I want to you know,

589
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: smoke it. No, I don't think that would go over well. Yeah,

590
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: so but again, don't smoke random creatures that you find

591
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: crawling around your living around and don't please don't have

592
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: a mailed you. We should probably talk about the wallabies.

593
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: This is another really cool case and this is a

594
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: good one to to close out on. Um if you,

595
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: if you, And this is another one in Australia, partially

596
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: partially you know, we keep coming around Australia because I

597
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: mean Australia Tians have some very uh, interesting toxic properties

598
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: in their in their animals. But this is this one

599
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: relates to plants um. Australia actually supplies and estimated of

600
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: the world's legal opium crop. Right, Yes, this is what's

601
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: she used to create the like morphine um and stuff

602
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: that stuff of that nature. So because you know all

603
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: the other most of the other places in the world

604
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: they're growing it illegally, this is the one place where

605
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: you're growing they're growing illegally for legitimate purposes. So uh.

606
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: You also but you have wallabies in the area and uh,

607
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: and the wallabies are are rather enamored by all of

608
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: this uh free opium that that apparently is not all

609
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: that well defended. That's the thing that got made because

610
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: the the wallabies will break in and just munch down

611
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: on opium just untill they're in a stupor, and then

612
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: they just hop around in circles, uh, creating like little

613
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: crop circles until they just completely fall over and crash.

614
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Crop circles explained again. Yes, yeah, it's like you thought

615
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: it was aliens. Now there's a much sayer reason. It's

616
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: wallabies on opium. It's these little marsupials. Yeah, yeah, that's

617
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: so cute. Can you can see them hopping around completely

618
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: high in circles. I mean it's not cute. I mean

619
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I mean it's it's it's hard to

620
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: get to tour up over you because it's it's hilarious.

621
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: But but it's also a case where they would not

622
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: this would not be a natural occurrence because this is

623
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: like a crop of opium. This is a man made

624
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: situation where suddenly there's there's this chance for all these

625
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: wallabies to come in and just eat themselves silly. Yeah,

626
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: and it's a real problem too. And I do I

627
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: mean you do have to wonder do they get addicted? Yeah,

628
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean are they just sitting there having the experience

629
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: and then a week later inning to break in again? Yeah?

630
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: And again It's like I just can't get past, Like

631
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: what's the security like at this place? If the wallabies

632
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: are breaking through? Are the wallabies just getting super like

633
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: advanced and they are they like like abducting like some

634
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Speaker 1: of the farmers that worked there, and like disguising themselves,

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Speaker 1: like doing the sort of a Scooby Doo thing where

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Speaker 1: one stands on the other one shoulders right right, there's

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Speaker 1: one wallaby like dressing provocatively in front of the guards,

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Speaker 1: a little dance. See, I can see them because they

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Speaker 1: like wallabies and kangaroos. They all have that creepy kind

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Speaker 1: of human body. Like anytime I go to the zoo

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Speaker 1: and see them, they always you know, they always look

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Speaker 1: like weird furry old men splayed in the dust, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the box. Have you seen boxing the wallabies? I

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Speaker 1: mean it's yeah, yeah, I mean it's like a no, no,

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Speaker 1: Well sometimes they do it just as play. But I

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Speaker 1: believe that there have been um sort of like cock fights,

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Speaker 1: like I think maybe like you go out for it

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Speaker 1: like regularly around town. Oh no, actually there is. Um

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Speaker 1: there's a place in Georgia that has a bunch of

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Speaker 1: wallabies and kangaroos. Then they box. They've felt like acres

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Speaker 1: well that they don't not for our pleasure, but they

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Speaker 1: might do it. They box each other. Not here, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: because I'm thinking like the old like the old timing

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Speaker 1: footage you'll see of like a man being brought in

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Speaker 1: the box of kangaroo. Yeah. See, that's that's that's what

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about. Anyway, Uh, can you imagine them

657
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Speaker 1: on the opium? Yeah, well I guess they'd be slower.

658
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Speaker 1: Maybe you could take them. I don't know, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: minceuf it. Man. Well cool, well there, uh, there are

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Speaker 1: some potentially disturbing examples of animals using naturally occurring and

661
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Speaker 1: sometimes artificially occurring drugs in their environment to u for

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Speaker 1: such purposes as fighting um infestations of parasites, for just

663
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, eating to survive, and then also recreational use

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Speaker 1: in some cases. So yeah, I mean, of course we

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Speaker 1: say that, but we think that's the case. I mean

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Speaker 1: we could say that with cats at least. Well yeah, yeah,

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00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: with cats. Like the the example that I keep coming

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Speaker 1: back to is when I bought some some growing cat

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Speaker 1: nep to try and feed my cat, and then she

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Speaker 1: didn't want it. So I planted in the front yard

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Speaker 1: and it was there for like a week and nothing

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Speaker 1: touched it. But then one day I went out and

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Speaker 1: something had just eaten it down to the dirt, like

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Speaker 1: just eating the roots of it, and like this, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a clear case of you know, because cat

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Speaker 1: cats don't really go around eating entire plants like just

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Speaker 1: down to the roots system unless there, unless it's this,

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Speaker 1: unless it's they're getting a real recreational thrill out of it. No, exactly,

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Speaker 1: So I guess you were their supplier. Yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: I was. Uh. If speaking though of different um drugs

681
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: and uh and substances of this nature, we have a

682
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: number of really cool articles about them on the website

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Speaker 1: we do. Yeah. I mean so if you if any

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Speaker 1: particular substance comes to mind and you're curious about it,

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Speaker 1: throw it into the search bar there on the homepage

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Speaker 1: and uh, and you'll generally get a nice, fat article

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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. In particular, Christen Conger's article, are They're

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Speaker 1: really hallucinogenic Frougs? Which talked to him more detail about

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Speaker 1: keen food. Well, hey, I've got a little bit of

690
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Speaker 1: listener mail here. And this is another cool one. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That is in a response to our recent podcast about

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Speaker 1: music in the human brain. And this comes from Eric,

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Speaker 1: and Eric says, when I was a kid, way back

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Speaker 1: in the early eighties, a friend of mine had a

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Speaker 1: horrible stutter, especially when he tried to talk to a girl.

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Speaker 1: He gets flustered, and this would only make it worse.

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Speaker 1: He liked to sing, and when he sung, he didn't stutter.

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Speaker 1: We thought it was because he was singing a song

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Speaker 1: he already knew uh you know, he already knew what

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Speaker 1: he needed to say. But he tried singing a normal conversation. Um,

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Speaker 1: not all the time, just when he spoke to close

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Speaker 1: friends and family. The odd thing was when he sung

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Speaker 1: a response to his question or comment. He still didn't stutter,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that he had to think about what

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Speaker 1: he was going to say when he sung it. He

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Speaker 1: only sung the family and friends he was our do

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Speaker 1: get being teased enough fairly quickly he quit stuttering. Now

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Speaker 1: you'd never know he was ever a stutter. So, um,

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Speaker 1: that was really interesting because it's an example. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you actually are the things we discussed in that podcast.

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Speaker 1: You see examples of of of scientists using using song,

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Speaker 1: using music to help people regain their speech, right, people

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Speaker 1: who have had strokes, people of Parkinson's. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: guess it opens up the neural resources. So it would

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Speaker 1: stand to reason then if you were a stutterer, that

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Speaker 1: the same thing could happen, right, you would have greater

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Speaker 1: access to your thoughts and be able to describe them

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Speaker 1: while singing. I won't do that. Yeah, well, I know

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Speaker 1: you really want to do the podcast where we only sing,

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Speaker 1: but really too, Rather please please please um. Another interesting

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Speaker 1: this also brings to mind neanderthals Um. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussion about some of the the vocal um um

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Speaker 1: gear that Neanderthal seemed to have, and some some have

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Speaker 1: argued that since we don't really see any firm signs

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Speaker 1: have been having language in in the fossil record, that

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Speaker 1: they possible that they didn't have language, but that they

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Speaker 1: used the their vocal abilities for music like just in

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Speaker 1: communicated through pure music, which which is great. I just

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Speaker 1: did they have vocal sucks? I mean, did they have

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Speaker 1: some sort of indication? Yeah, that's yeah, that's the theory,

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Speaker 1: Like they biologically had the capability for it. So the

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Speaker 1: theory is that they are. One of the theory is

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Speaker 1: that they basically use music. They use song like just

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Speaker 1: you know, I guess it would be kind of like

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Speaker 1: scat or something, you know, where it would just be

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Speaker 1: like just non lyrical music to to relay a thought

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Speaker 1: in the same way that sad music and really a

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Speaker 1: sad thought. It would just be like this constant aria

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Speaker 1: going on. If I'm using the correct musical term there. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. So yeah, so I think on that it's

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Speaker 1: it's really kind of a beautiful image of the neanderthal

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Speaker 1: totally changed the way I think about what they might

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Speaker 1: have been. I know, right, are yes? Who knew? So? Hey?

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Speaker 1: If you have any interesting stories about your own animals

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Speaker 1: uh and their drug habit, or any interesting accounts that

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Speaker 1: you've come across of the of animals junkies in the wild, uh,

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